Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:50 No.17174541

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:50 No.17174541

>poor assholes who do stupid shit

I think you mean muslims
rm kebap

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:51 No.17174624

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:51 No.17174624

Replies: >>17174898

because it works, nobody has to worry about healthcare, and despite what the media says, it's still an excellent service with great workers.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:52 No.17174705

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:52 No.17174705

Replies: >>17175337

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>Why are they proud that they are forced to pay for healthcare for poor assholes who do stupid shit?

You mean like in america?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:53 No.17174750

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:53 No.17174750

>>17174479 (OP)
>poor assholes who do stupid shit?
Most healthcare costs come from the elderly and retired.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:53 No.17174790

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:53 No.17174790

Why wouldn't we be?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:54 No.17174884

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:54 No.17174884

I believe healthcare should be a human right, for a government to give to it's people.

Just because shitty african countries can't look after their sick and disabled, doesn't mean we shouldn't

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:54 No.17174893

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:54 No.17174893

Replies: >>17175008

>NHS gone
>more Money
>Spend even more on healthcare
>Less money

That sums it up.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:54 No.17174898

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:54 No.17174898

Replies: >>17174991 >>17175225 >>17175400 >>17175708 >>17175851 >>17175946 >>17179082 >>17182485

>>17174624
America:
>Break arm
>Get plaster cast
>Go home
>Return to work

England:
>Break arm
>Wait for 48 hours to be seen by a nurse
>Get seen by a doctor next month (if I live in the right place)
>Permanently disabled because of lack of immediate care

But, at least I don't have to choose between insurance corporations.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:55 No.17174991

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:55 No.17174991

>>17174898

Holy shit, you actually believe this?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:55 No.17175006

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:55 No.17175006

Because we pay less for healthcare, there's also no corporate insurance company making profit from the sick in the middle.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:55 No.17175008

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:55 No.17175008

Replies: >>17175106 >>17175225 >>17175337

>>17174893
>>Spend even more on healthcare
This literally makes no sense, you're just paying for your own healthcare and you don't get punished for daring to be rich.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:56 No.17175106

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:56 No.17175106

>>17175008

the average ameriblob spends more money on healthcare in insurance than Brits do through taxes

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:57 No.17175225

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:57 No.17175225

>>17174898
Wait times for certain shit is pretty long granted, but it's not the 3rd world slum system you think it is.
>>17175008
>What are British rates of tax.
Honestly flat tax is fairer but the rich (who don't use offshore tax loopholes) get fucked right in the arse.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:57 No.17175249

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:57 No.17175249

>>17174479 (OP)
>NHS cost per person in the UK
$2265.45
>Medicare and Medicaid cost per person in the US
$2540

Stay retarded, fat and unhealthy Americans.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:57 No.17175293

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:57 No.17175293

Because the NHS is free. It's good if you're poor but the incredibly poor food as well as the constant threat of MRSA is stupid. I'm fairly certain that muslim nurses don't follow the same regulations as others too.

The downside is that's its too much of a money sinkhole, where the fucking money goes I don't know. Bad workers need to be fired. Pretty sure our doctors are paid more than anyone else in europe too.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:58 No.17175337

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:58 No.17175337

Replies: >>17178573

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>>17175008
>you're just paying for your own healthcare

LOL, NO

see >>17174705

You think hospitals are just giving away free treatment to people free riding the ER?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:58 No.17175341

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:58 No.17175341

It made life better for everyone, rich and poor.

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)17:58 No.17175396

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)17:58 No.17175396

> implying society should be held accountable to the lowest common denominator.

Because we know we're better than that.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:58 No.17175400

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:58 No.17175400

Replies: >>17175467

>>17174898
u wot m8

I broke my hand last year and they fixed it within 15 minutes of being in the waiting room

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:59 No.17175448

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:59 No.17175448

Replies: >>17175995

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It's a point of principle, there are some things which every human being is entitled to no matter what, if that means having to raise taxes a bit in order to meet it, so be it.

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)17:59 No.17175467

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)17:59 No.17175467

Replies: >>17175583

>>17175400

Depends on where you live.

Just like America.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)17:59 No.17175509

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)17:59 No.17175509

Replies: >>17175661

>>17174479 (OP)

Because socialism is destroying western civilization. During the Olympics, the entire world watched British children singing and dancing for free shit. Welfare monkeys in America are starting to do the same.

"I just swipe my EBT, my EBT, my EBT."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNzIc8oZM4c&feature=g-user-u#t=05m31s

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:00 No.17175583

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:00 No.17175583

Replies: >>17175686

>>17175467

Not that guy but no it doesn't, we're not as big as America

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:01 No.17175631

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:01 No.17175631

>>17174479 (OP)
because we all do stupid shit eventually, we're human, when I eventually do something stupid and get carted off to hospital I will only have to worry about my injury

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:01 No.17175661

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:01 No.17175661

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>>17175509

Suck it, America

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:01 No.17175686

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:01 No.17175686

>>17175583

That's not the point m8.

I'm saying in urban inner cities (say, detroit) you're obviously going to have problems getting your bust hand fixed, same as here.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:01 No.17175695

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:01 No.17175695

>>17174479 (OP)
maybe because they spend less per person than the US does while also providing healthcare to EVERYONE without bankrupting MILLIONS all the fucking time?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:01 No.17175708

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:01 No.17175708

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>>17174898
>ERs treat people first come, first serve and not by severity of illness.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:02 No.17175761

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:02 No.17175761

Replies: >>17175833 >>17175953 >>17176007

I'm English and I'm ashamed of it. If public healthcare didn't exist people would be able to afford private healthcare. At the moment it's nothing more than a safety net that promotes irresponsibility and ignorance.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:02 No.17175799

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:02 No.17175799

Replies: >>17175919

Because they're all poor assholes who do stupid shit

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:03 No.17175833

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:03 No.17175833

Replies: >>17176052

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>>17175761

>If public healthcare didn't exist people would be able to afford private healthcare

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:03 No.17175851

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:03 No.17175851

>>17174898
I broke my leg last January, ambulance came in 15 mins, I waited 30 minutes for the nurse, got sent to the x ray scanner (10 minutes) casted after 20 minutes. Mom took me home.
>Willfully blind murican.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:04 No.17175901

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:04 No.17175901

It fits well into values such as fair play and charity which the British have held dear for centuries

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:04 No.17175919

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:04 No.17175919

>>17175799

Fuck you.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:04 No.17175946

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:04 No.17175946

>>17174898
Maybe you shouldn't have broken your arm in both america and england you clumsy faggot

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:04 No.17175953

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:04 No.17175953

Replies: >>17177415

>>17175761
You're a retard, the average cost of health care insurance is $3,500 in the US. This is ~$1200 more than the cost per person in the UK.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:04 No.17175955

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:04 No.17175955

>Be American
>Fall and break leg
>have to take out loan to pay for it
>in debt for years

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:04 No.17175961

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:04 No.17175961

Replies: >>17176124 >>17176712

>>17174479 (OP)
Because its literally all we have to be proud of OK, beyond the City.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:05 No.17175995

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:05 No.17175995

Replies: >>17176317 >>17176666

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>>17175448
>there are some things which every human being is entitled to no matter what

Like cotton! Now get back in the field, boy.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:05 No.17176007

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:05 No.17176007

>>17175761
>promotes irresponsibility and ignorance.

But countries with private medical insurance are just as unhealthy and ave as many accidents as us.

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:05 No.17176023

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:05 No.17176023

Replies: >>17176236 >>17176248 >>17176273

Fyi OP, Health Tourism is a key feature of why we have such a massive immigration problem in this country.

People are literally coming here specifically to take advantage of the NHS.

It's not because of the people who live here that the NHS is in dire straits, but because of the increased strain put on it by non-taxpayers.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:05 No.17176052

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:05 No.17176052

Replies: >>17176186 >>17176261 >>17176618

>>17175833

Private healthcare's pricing is fucked up at the moment because they're trying to compete with a service that the public is forced to pay for. Right now, to go into private healthcare is to be paying for healthcare twice over.

Do bear in mind that the people of this country can already afford healthcare as they're already paying for the NHS, and to imply that a private system would somehow be overall more expensive than a public system is absolutely batshit insane. Private companies actually care about how their money gets spent because they can't just coerce more out of the taxpayer.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:06 No.17176124

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:06 No.17176124

Replies: >>17176363

>>17175961
Fuck off you cockney cunt.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:07 No.17176186

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:07 No.17176186

>>17176052
>not knowing that private healthcare in the UK is worse than public
lel are you enjoying the school holidays?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:08 No.17176236

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:08 No.17176236

Replies: >>17176464

>>17176023
luckily it seems like we'll soon have that sorted out, with only citizens and legal tourists being allowed access to the NHS.

Oh, and they say you can use A and E for emergencies regardless though

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:08 No.17176248

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:08 No.17176248

>>17176023
I agree.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:08 No.17176261

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:08 No.17176261

Replies: >>17176613

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>>17176052

You actually think that if you replaced the NHS with private companies, you'd pay for private companies at the same price you currently get taxed for the NHS?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:08 No.17176273

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:08 No.17176273

Replies: >>17176384

>>17176023
>It's not because of the people who live here that the NHS is in dire straits, but because of the increased strain put on it by non-taxpayers.

Actually it's shit management and an ageing population.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:09 No.17176317

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:09 No.17176317

Replies: >>17176499

>>17175995

you can live without cotton, you can't live without healthcare

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:09 No.17176363

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:09 No.17176363

Replies: >>17176480

>>17176124
Back to your White Lightning eh northerner?

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:10 No.17176384

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:10 No.17176384

Replies: >>17176448 >>17176671

>>17176273

That aging population paid into the system and they earned it, you little twat.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:10 No.17176448

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:10 No.17176448

Replies: >>17176614

>>17176384
They didn't pay enough in, hence the deficit.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:11 No.17176464

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:11 No.17176464

>>17176236
>Oh, and they say you can use A and E for emergencies regardless though

Which is good. I don't think a single Para, Tech or ECA would want someone worrying about if will cost them to call for an ambulance.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:11 No.17176480

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:11 No.17176480

Replies: >>17176831

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>>17176363
Enjoy becoming a minority in your own city cockney

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:11 No.17176495

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:11 No.17176495

>>17174479 (OP)
We pay more in taxes for subsidies to insurance companies to keep rates low than they do for just straight up healthcare. So yeah we should be ashamed for financing a multi billion dollar industry that just leeches off society.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:11 No.17176499

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:11 No.17176499

Replies: >>17176556 >>17176666

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>>17176317

So you're saying that it would be okay to enslave others to go pick your cotton, provided that you could show you can't live without it.

Good to know.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:12 No.17176556

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:12 No.17176556

Replies: >>17176652

>>17176499

You're basically saying it's possible to live without healthcare

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:12 No.17176600

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:12 No.17176600

>>17174479 (OP)
Because brits are civilized and care for oithers.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:12 No.17176613

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:12 No.17176613

Replies: >>17176818 >>17177014

>>17176261

Not personally because I never need to go to the hospital; though if taxes were lowered so that I actually had money I could save up, I'd be able to pay for my own treatment should I need it.

Seriously this country is already affording healthcare, and privately owned companies always do a better job than public ones. This isn't even speculation, it's straight up fact. The only people who'd "lose out" from tearing apart the NHS are the irresponsible people who leech off it.

And if you can't afford your own medical treatment, why should I pay for it for you? Are you going to pay for mine when I can't afford it? Of course you can't, because if you could afford to do that you could've just paid for your own treatment in the first place. The only reason the NHS actually manages to function is because only a fraction of the people that pay for it actually use it.

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:12 No.17176614

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:12 No.17176614

Replies: >>17176742

>>17176448

> they didn't pay in.

Wrong.

The vast majority of people paid into the NHS and the welfare state, the people that fucked it all up are the ones who were supposed to be running the show.

You're right on the dot with management.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:12 No.17176618

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:12 No.17176618

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>>17176052
But it would and it's a pain in the ass for hospitals to deal with a plethora of different insurance companies each with a plethora of different insurance plans.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:13 No.17176652

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:13 No.17176652

>>17176556

No, I'm saying your a piece of shit who believes in slavery.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:13 No.17176666

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:13 No.17176666

Replies: >>17177621

>>17175995
>>17176499

>Comparing being taxed to slavery

you guys are worse than the feminists who think everything is rape

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:13 No.17176671

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:13 No.17176671

Replies: >>17176810

>>17176384
Doesn't mean the system isn't getting strained by people old people who won't die.

I'm not trying to be a cunt about this but look at it logically. More old people on palliative care taking up hospital beds put more strain on the system.

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:13 No.17176712

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:13 No.17176712

>>17175961

> the city.

You stupid twat, the only reason that city exists is because the entire british population pays for it.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:14 No.17176742

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:14 No.17176742

Replies: >>17176893

>>17176614
>misquoting me now

They didn't pay ENOUGH in, hence the deficit.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:14 No.17176757

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:14 No.17176757

>>17174479 (OP)
The fact that they have higher life expectancy than USA might be the reason.

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:15 No.17176810

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:15 No.17176810

>>17176671

We should take care of our elderly.

We're not some african shithole that just lets their old people die because they're not useful anymore, right?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:15 No.17176818

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:15 No.17176818

Replies: >>17177312

>>17176613

You're basically asking the state to bend to subsidise your private healthcare

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:15 No.17176827

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:15 No.17176827

Social health care makes for a more caring society

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:15 No.17176831

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:15 No.17176831

>>17176480
Fugg

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:16 No.17176893

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:16 No.17176893

Replies: >>17177117

>>17176742

> they didn't pay in enough.

And whose fault is that?

Surely it's not the people who set the fucking VAT or council tax, surely.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:17 No.17177014

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:17 No.17177014

>>17176613
>privately owned companies always do a better job than public ones. This isn't even speculation, it's straight up fact.

Nope, if you read Private Eye you would realise how wrong you are.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:17 No.17177026

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:17 No.17177026

Replies: >>17177313 >>17177517

I saw some interesting posts a while ago about how the main churches in the UK all espouse an importance on looking after the poor, and so it's became ingrained in the British mindset to do things like give to charity or care for the poor. It's probably an extension of that

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:18 No.17177117

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:18 No.17177117

Replies: >>17177313

>>17176893
Well it's certainly not the fault of the people who have to pay for them now.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:20 No.17177312

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:20 No.17177312

Replies: >>17177447 >>17177573

>>17176818

If you think the removal of taxes is the subsidization of the private sector then holy shit I don't even know what to say to that.

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:20 No.17177313

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:20 No.17177313

>>17177026

Technically true, although ignorant of the historical basis for that and it's relation to the later days of the Empire.

>>17177117

So long as you understand the consequences, anon.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:21 No.17177376

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:21 No.17177376

Replies: >>17177469

In America, giving birth to a child costs $9000 and can be more than $22k+ for a C-section.

Yeah, im so jelly of the US system.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:22 No.17177415

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:22 No.17177415

Replies: >>17177981

>>17175953
what about all the medicare taxes that everyone pays but only old people reap the benefits from? double that. average healthcare costs are about $7000 per person.

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:22 No.17177447

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:22 No.17177447

Replies: >>17177662

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>>17177312

The state is providing competition to the private sector.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:22 No.17177469

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:22 No.17177469

Replies: >>17177549 >>17177571 >>17180347

>>17177376

In Britain, giving birth to a child can cost up to £50000. But hey who cares, at least it's not you paying for it!

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:23 No.17177517

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:23 No.17177517

>>17177026

yeah, some churches basically say that if you don't go to charity you'll go to hell. The liberal reforms which eventually led to the foundation of the modern Welfare state and the NHS were headed largely by the Methodist and Quaker churches.

Although it's not the only reason we have an NHS and stuff

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:23 No.17177549

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:23 No.17177549

Replies: >>17180928

>>17177469

That's an atrocious lie.

That figure was estimated including the money it would take to get them up to and through university.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:24 No.17177571

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:24 No.17177571

>>17177469
>In Britain, giving birth to a child can cost up to £50000. But hey who cares, at least it's not you paying for it!

Source fucking required.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:24 No.17177573

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:24 No.17177573

>>17177312

taxes are just a cap on income

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:24 No.17177621

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:24 No.17177621

>>17176666
quads and dubdubs guy speaks the truth right here. fucking lolbertarians are just male versions of feminazis. god damn

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:25 No.17177644

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:25 No.17177644

Because if you are unlucky enough to be in an accident or catch a terrible infection you don't get financially fucked like in America.

America also gives out way more pills because of the huge profit gained from it.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:25 No.17177662

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:25 No.17177662

Replies: >>17177719 >>17177787 >>17177869 >>17178762 >>17178890

>>17177447

You're always paying for public healthcare. Imagine if every time you bought a pastie you were forced to give Greggs £1, regardless of whether or not your pastie was from Greggs. You'd just go to Greggs every time, other companies couldn't possibly compete with Greggs because of this forced payment. This is exactly the same logic behind why private sectors cannot compete with public sectors.

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:26 No.17177719

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:26 No.17177719

>>17177662

> private sectors cannot compete.

So, you're saying the free market cannot fix it?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:26 No.17177723

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:26 No.17177723

Replies: >>17177818 >>17177867

Why are conservatives such fucking jews when it comes to taxes


Why don't conservatives understand the concept of living in a society?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:27 No.17177787

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:27 No.17177787

Replies: >>17177990

>>17177662

You're saying we should get rid of the NHS and deny certain people healthcare, because the NHS hurts BUPAs feelings?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:27 No.17177813

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:27 No.17177813

Replies: >>17177948

Hey OP, just about every european health care system is like the NHS.

So why are you singling out England. (But you should have said the UK but you're an uneducated nigger and probably don't know Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales exist)

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:27 No.17177818

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:27 No.17177818

Replies: >>17177997

>>17177723
because ayn rand utopia and muh freedumbs from tax slavery and muh sex is rape feminism

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:27 No.17177867

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:27 No.17177867

Replies: >>17177951

>>17177723
>Why are black such jews when it comes to slavery?

>Why don't blacks understand the concept of living on a cotton farm?

There fixed it for you.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:28 No.17177869

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:28 No.17177869

>>17177662

nigga I don't give a shit if BUPA struggles against the NHS, so what? the NHS means everyone has access to healthcare, that's all that matters

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:28 No.17177895

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:28 No.17177895

Replies: >>17178039 >>17178058 >>17178179

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All in all, the US government spends 23% of its total spending on healthcare.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:28 No.17177948

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:28 No.17177948

>>17177813

because admittedly the British are very proud of their healthcare system, even moreso than Europe

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:28 No.17177951

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:28 No.17177951

Replies: >>17178123

>>17177867

Blacks invented slavery.

Take your daily dose already.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:29 No.17177981

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:29 No.17177981

>>17177415
True.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:29 No.17177990

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:29 No.17177990

Replies: >>17178056 >>17178160 >>17178179 >>17178255 >>17178985

>>17177787

No, I'm saying we should get rid of it because 1) taxation is theft, 2) it's incredibly inefficient in terms of spending, 3) it gets abused, 4) the public sector causes an indirect monopoly, which fucks up the cost of everything.

Just because you're sick doesn't mean I should pay for your treatment.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:29 No.17177997

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:29 No.17177997

Replies: >>17178126 >>17178175

>>17177818
>muh thomas hobbes statism and muh chilluns and muh stoopid lolbertardians

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:30 No.17178039

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:30 No.17178039

Replies: >>17178179

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>>17177895
The UK, however, spends 18% of its total spending on healthcare, despite universal healthcare apparently being more expensive.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:30 No.17178056

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:30 No.17178056

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>>17177990

>taxation is theft

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:30 No.17178058

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:30 No.17178058

>>17177895

> dat national defence spending.

So, hows that industrial military complex coming along?

Gas the Muds !o/14886Opo
07/13/13(Sat)18:31 No.17178110

Gas the Muds !o/14886Opo 07/13/13(Sat)18:31 No.17178110

>>17174479 (OP)

It's very nice to use if you live near a good, big hospital and only have to visit occasionally and for minor problems.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:31 No.17178123

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:31 No.17178123

Replies: >>17178188

>>17177951
>Blacks invented slavery
What does that have to do with the practice of it? Because Jewish God slaugthered millions, does that justifies the slaughter of millions of Jews?

Think before you speak.

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:31 No.17178126

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:31 No.17178126

>>17177997

Nice response bro, you totally owned him there.

Lel.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:31 No.17178160

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:31 No.17178160

Replies: >>17178379

>>17177990
>it's incredibly inefficient in terms of spending,
Such a lie.

Competition between private companies wouldn't improve the health service and wouldn't cut the cost of it either. Why? It's called economies of scale.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:32 No.17178175

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:32 No.17178175

Replies: >>17181235

>>17177997

yeah fuck children

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:32 No.17178179

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:32 No.17178179

>>17177990
See
>>17178039
>>17177895

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:32 No.17178188

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:32 No.17178188

Replies: >>17178528 >>17178581

>>17178123

No you think before you speak, you idiotic cunt.

White people have always done what was needed to survive and win.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:33 No.17178255

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:33 No.17178255

Replies: >>17178890

>>17177990
Source for 1) and 4) please.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:34 No.17178337

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:34 No.17178337

Replies: >>17178480

Must be so nice to be a US ally and therefore not have to devote any resources to military spending.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:34 No.17178379

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:34 No.17178379

Replies: >>17179534

>>17178160
So more car companies making cars won't bring down the price of a car, while bringing up the quality?

TIL that Toyota and Honda entering the Auto Market was ACTUALLY for the WORSE, as it made cars more expensive and produced shittier cars. /s

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:35 No.17178402

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:35 No.17178402

>>17174479 (OP)
The way it's done in the U.S., poor citizens die from lack of care while you fucktards are paying for health care for illegal aliens.
Not to mention you are shelling out 3 times more for your health insurance & health care than they are, you utterly stupid Jew-slave.

You're the one doing stupid shit.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:35 No.17178452

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:35 No.17178452

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>Be on DLA due to legit autism and having a nervous breakdown whenever I leave my house
>Make dental appointment for a check-up
>''Sorry, your type of benefits don't work here, gibe £20 plos''
>And yet my mother, who gets Income Support, can get treatment for free
>mfw

wat

!!yDmP7j3NIWI
07/13/13(Sat)18:36 No.17178480

!!yDmP7j3NIWI 07/13/13(Sat)18:36 No.17178480

Replies: >>17178763

>>17178337

It must be nice having all those allies.

Oh... wait...

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:36 No.17178494

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:36 No.17178494

>>17174479 (OP)

>implying that Americans do not pay far, far more.

The non-reimbursed cost of treating uninsured people (who make up a disproportionately large proportion of patients) is a massive strain on the US healthcare system. Massive bills go unpaid by patients so the hospitals jack up their prices to cover. One of the main thrusts of the ACA was to eliminate this segment from healthcare.

Of course, that segment doesn't exist at all in the UK. Sure, some people abuse the system, but you take the small bit of bad with the overwhelming good.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:36 No.17178528

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:36 No.17178528

Replies: >>17181398

>>17178188
>White people have always done what was needed to survive and win.

That argument can be used today as well against whites, that blacks and the feminists are winning because they are destroying the White race (race-mixing, indoctrination, etc).

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:37 No.17178573

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:37 No.17178573

Replies: >>17182649

>>17175337

Yes, they are. If people aren't insured, hospitals are still obliged to treat them knowing that they won't be able to pay. Source: Emergency Medical Technician.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:37 No.17178581

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:37 No.17178581

>>17178188
Also, nice Ad Hominem

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:38 No.17178762

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:38 No.17178762

>>17177662

But because the state soaks up a substantial amount of the work a fully private health service would, A&E for example, its allows for cheaper private cover.

The UK is too small to support a US style system and would become too fragmented and inefficient or too monopolistic to provide value.

This is one area where the contribution of the many, create a service which is there when needed by those who get sick.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:38 No.17178763

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:38 No.17178763

>>17178480
Yeah, basically Europe is the epitome of the Welfare leech. See Americans just aren't sucked dry by 50% of their own population, but by the welfare Yuropoor leeches as well.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:40 No.17178890

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:40 No.17178890

Replies: >>17179001 >>17179087 >>17179127

>>17178255

What exactly do you want for a fucking source? If I told you that 2+2 equals 4 would you ask me for a fucking source? Here's your "source" you shitface.

>Source for 1)
I don't want to pay but I'm forced to under threat of punishment. That's textbook theft.

>Source for 4)
Take my Greggs example from >>17177662 if you want an example of why forced payments fuck up pricing. Once Greggs have the backing of the law for these payments, they can do whatever the fuck they want with their prices because you can't afford to go elsewhere. And if you think the people running the NHS are trying to give you affordable healthcare, you need to step back and stop thinking the people working in government are all saints.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:41 No.17178980

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:41 No.17178980

Replies: >>17179325

its funny because a good percentage of 4chan is under the age of 18 and doesnt have to fend for themselves yet, must be nice to be covered under mommies insurance plan children

>taxation is theft
>most of 4chan are either sub18 teenagers or 20 something students that pay barely anything in taxes

lol wut

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:41 No.17178985

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:41 No.17178985

>>17177990

How's special school?

1: lol you faggot.

2: nope. Just because it gets much more intense scrutiny than the private hospitals doesn't mean it's less efficient.

3: we should shut down everything that gets abused, like schools, universities, roads, and electricity networks. You giant faggot.

4: private hospitals exist. Idiot.

>why the fuck did I reply.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:41 No.17179001

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:41 No.17179001

Replies: >>17179137

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>>17178890

>if you think the people running the NHS are trying to give you affordable healthcare

It's not just affordable, it's free

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:42 No.17179082

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:42 No.17179082

Replies: >>17179290

>>17174898
America:
>Break arm
>Have X-ray
>Get plaster cast
>That'll be $7,000

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:42 No.17179087

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:42 No.17179087

Replies: >>17179297

>>17178890
>doesnt want to pay for services he will eventually use

i thought only libtards wanted the hand outs, top lel

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:42 No.17179093

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:42 No.17179093

Replies: >>17179364

the NHS works. They kill millions of patients every year to save money. There is a secret lottery system in place.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:43 No.17179127

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:43 No.17179127

>>17178890
>2+2=4 is an objective fact founded on rigorous mathematical proofs.

Your statements are merely conjecture.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:43 No.17179137

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:43 No.17179137

>>17179001

>It's not just affordable, it's free
>Posted an irrelevant picture

I'm out, this has just devolved into shitposting because you can't defend your arguments anymore.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:44 No.17179290

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:44 No.17179290

Replies: >>17179431

>>17179082
>going to a big hospital for a broken arm
>not going to a cash only clinic or hospital
That's the difference between $7000 bill and a $100 bill.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:44 No.17179297

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:44 No.17179297

Replies: >>17179516 >>17179531

>>17179087

If everyone needed healthcare, the NHS couldn't physically exist.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:45 No.17179325

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:45 No.17179325

>>17178980
this
>"muh taxation!"
>is 16 and earns $5000 a year with a part time job
>thinks he knows what he's talking about

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:45 No.17179364

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:45 No.17179364

>>17179093
It reminds me somewaht of the movie The Island, where going to the island means being killed and having your organs harvested.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:45 No.17179370

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:45 No.17179370

Replies: >>17179412 >>17179487 >>17181370

>>17174479 (OP)
Only lefties are proud of it.

Normal people are not.

Sadly we are in short supply.

The best is European style.

America is good but just as fucked as the UK system really because you pay through the nose and many go without. People are tied to jobs for life just because if they leave they lose their medical care.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:46 No.17179412

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:46 No.17179412

Replies: >>17179960 >>17180098

>>17179370

>Only lefties are proud of it.

nope

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:46 No.17179431

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:46 No.17179431

Replies: >>17180722

>>17179290

UK:
>Break arm
>Have X-ray
>Get plaster cast
Don't worry, mate, the NHS has got your back.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:47 No.17179487

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:47 No.17179487

Replies: >>17179960 >>17180098

>>17179370

Everyone is proud of it, what are you talking about?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:47 No.17179516

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:47 No.17179516

Replies: >>17179858

>>17179297
>implying everyone doesnt eventually go to the doctor

so you're seriously saying that you've never been to the doctor and never will?

i guess you're delusional as well as retarded

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:47 No.17179531

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:47 No.17179531

>>17179297

If everybody had accidents, insurance couldn't exist. The fact of the matter is that the NHS can exist because not everyone needs healthcare all the time. In fact, most people don't need it at all.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:47 No.17179534

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:47 No.17179534

Replies: >>17181185

>>17178379
In a world of ~7 billion people, how many car companies are there?

How many of these are owned fully or in part by a State?

How many of the rest have required State subsidies are at one point?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:51 No.17179858

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:51 No.17179858

Replies: >>17180088

>>17179516
He means if everyone was sick, there would be nobody left to treat them.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:52 No.17179951

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:52 No.17179951

>>17174479 (OP)
Phahha im from switzerland and u can belive me these english ppl sould be ashamed to call their country a wellfare state. But u are against the whole idea of the wellfare state wich is ok but the problem is why do we have countries ? What sould they provide? Im proud of having a good infastructure and a good wellfare system.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:52 No.17179960

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:52 No.17179960

Replies: >>17180096

>>17179412
>>17179487
You lot are fools then.

What's to be proud of?

Scandal after scandal after scandal, people dying needlessly.

A terrible public sector culture where staff just don't give a fuck, one huge bureaucratic nightmare.

In the US, if you need something urgent, your doc will organise it.

In the UK, wait a week for the hospital to find out. Wait 2 weeks to get referred.

See the doc, wait another week for diagnostic tests.

Another week for your follow up.

Another week for your op.

etc. etc.

They work week by week, never deviating from their fucking schedules. All the while you see fat arse people on the gravy train, from the consultants down to the overpaid nurses (you don't actually believe they are poor do you?), sucking the tit of the state and having it large.

Literally in some cases, I've seen waddling niggers take their time doing their admin.

NHS is one big fucking joke. And I can compare it to a European country, the US and Hong Kong.

But oh we're so British we can't knock the NHS, even though it's killing us. NHS is one big fucking joke, you just don't realise it.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:54 No.17180088

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:54 No.17180088

>>17179858
thats fucking retarded, thats just typing nonsense and expecting it to be a coherent argument.

its like /pol/tards cant even try to make a counterpoint without 3 or more anons behind them screaming "muh jidf, muh srs, muh libtards".

-/fit/izen out-

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:54 No.17180096

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:54 No.17180096

Replies: >>17180552

>>17179960

>In the US, if you need something urgent, your doc will organise it. In the UK, wait a week for the hospital to find out. Wait 2 weeks to get referred.

Confirmed for never having experienced healthcare in both countries. Most US care is just as, if not more shit than the UK.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:54 No.17180098

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:54 No.17180098

Replies: >>17180198 >>17180235

>>17179487
>>17179412
>13,000 died needlessly at 14 worst NHS trusts
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/heal-our-hospitals/10178296/13000-died-needlessly-at-14-worst-NHS-trusts.html

Still proud of your NHS?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:55 No.17180198

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:55 No.17180198

Replies: >>17180663

>>17180098
>implying I care about old people

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:55 No.17180235

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:55 No.17180235

>>17180098


>Doctors third-largest cause of death in US
>b-b-b-but we have good healthcare

http://www.yourmedicaldetective.com/public/335.cfm

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:56 No.17180347

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:56 No.17180347

>>17177469

In America, you are given the bill for your birth before you leave the hospital.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:59 No.17180552

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:59 No.17180552

Replies: >>17180690

>>17180096
Wrong. If you're insured, you will get faster referrals.

I know guys who had my cancer who in the US and most of them had the surgery within two days, some waited up to a week, from initially seeing their doctor.

In the UK, I had to wait a total of 6 weeks.

US also has better tech and access to medicine.

Heck, it wasn't long ago that the UK only had one cyberknife. Now they have maybe a handful.

They were sending a lucky few patients (most did not qualify) to France to get the cyberknife.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)18:59 No.17180612

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)18:59 No.17180612

Replies: >>17180861 >>17181098

NHS is a fucking religion.

In principle I'm all for it, but if you criticise it or suggest it should be changed at all you must be a Tory millionaire baby killing fascist.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:00 No.17180663

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:00 No.17180663

>>17180198
You didn't even read that. This is not about old people.

That's a different NHS killing machine crisis you are referring to. This link is a new report just about to be released.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:00 No.17180690

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:00 No.17180690

Replies: >>17180914 >>17180944

>>17180552
So why do more people in the US die from cancer than in the UK?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:00 No.17180722

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:00 No.17180722

Replies: >>17181078 >>17181162 >>17181378

>>17179431
Forgot the
>wait for 6 hours cuz all the Laqueesha and the mudslimes are in the waiting line
>nurses are being lazy bitches, and keep going on breaks after every 10 minutes
>doctors decide to call it a day by 5pm and on the doctors for the emerg are there
>see the doctor, and be sent to get an x-ray scan
>wait 1 hour there
>finally get it done, and are sent back just to see a different doctor
>finally get the cast
>pay for the cast itself
so basically pay $25 for the cast and waste 7 hours in waiting line and are forced to miss work/school the next day

Yup, the NHS sure has my back

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:02 No.17180861

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:02 No.17180861

Replies: >>17181174

>>17180612
Indeed, it's a fuckin joke. It's beyond ridiculous. And yet it's now a killing machine.

Another thing, we have terrible rates of MRSA compared to modern European countries like Holland.

I remember when my dad was in hospital and some blood dripped out of his arm. The African nurse cleaned it by pressing her thumb and wiping the blood off the surface!!

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:03 No.17180914

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:03 No.17180914

>>17180690
Show me your stats. There could be any number of reasons.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:03 No.17180928

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:03 No.17180928

>>17177549

Oh lol. Nice catch.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:03 No.17180944

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:03 No.17180944

>>17180690
Clearly it's the NHS and not the fact Americans eat pretty much exclusively processed foods, drink carbonated sugar liquid instead of water and smoke.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:05 No.17181078

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:05 No.17181078

Replies: >>17182268 >>17182316

>>17180722

>$25
>Laqueesha

It really, really sounds like you're some shit-for-brains American who's probably never even been to England. If you had ever visited here, I'm sure you'd be surprised by how much like home the hospitals are.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:05 No.17181098

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:05 No.17181098

Replies: >>17181451

>>17180612
What is a "Tory" in Britain?

In America Tory has a different meaning.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:06 No.17181162

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:06 No.17181162

Replies: >>17181691

>>17180722
lel you britbongs are retarded

>Be Americlap
>Go see doctor for check up
>$200
>Says he thinks something is wrong with me
>Referred to specialist
>$300
>Still not sure
>Get sent for tests
>$600
>Still not sure
>Get sent for more tests
>$1000
>Tests come back, nothing wrong with me

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:06 No.17181174

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:06 No.17181174

Replies: >>17181768

>>17180861

>and yet you still have better outcomes than us in the States.

Stop being such a fucking self-hating Brit. I loathe people like you. Can't you be proud of your country's achievements for one fucking day?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:07 No.17181185

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:07 No.17181185

Replies: >>17182538

>>17179534
>In a world of ~7 billion people, how many car companies are there?
About 282 car companies in the world
http://www.carsurvey.org/

>How many of these are owned fully or in part by a State?
How many of the ones owned by the State are operational and sold outside of their own countries? How many can compete with the other companies of the world? How many state-owned car companies, without the benefit of legislation, can compete with domestic car manufacturers?

>How many of the rest have required State subsidies are at one point?
You're pointing out the flaw of Corporatism, that companies that ought to have sinked, didn't. It's not the flaw of the Free Market, but the flaw of gov't and politicians who sell power.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:07 No.17181235

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:07 No.17181235

>>17178175
yes, fuck them
why does society value a being that provides nothing over someone that does?
children are nothing but leaches, if you want to sustain your own leach then go right ahead, but don't you dare shift that responsibility to me

noko
07/13/13(Sat)19:08 No.17181306

noko 07/13/13(Sat)19:08 No.17181306

>>17174479 (OP)
So when you come to our country for a holiday and fall sick with something like appendicitis, you won't be screaming for medical aid?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:09 No.17181370

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:09 No.17181370

>>17179370
>Only lefties are proud of it.

THIS.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:09 No.17181378

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:09 No.17181378

Replies: >>17181718

>>17180722

Few months back I took the end of my thumb off when preparing food. Not all the way, just a flap of flesh maybe 1/3" thick hanging of the end. Obviously needed stitches.

Phoned the non-emergency line, they told me to just hold my hand above me head and keep pressure on it. Told them it was definitely more serious than that but they insisted this was the best course of action.

Ignored them and got a taxi to A&E. Stood in line with the thumb wrapped in a tea towel for 15 minutes, nurse finally finishes her conversation and asks what I need. Tell her what's happened, takes all my details, tells me to just take a seat.

3 hours later I'm called into the back, nurse looks me over, then asks me to wait while she deals with something else. Comes back after another 20 minutes and I finally get the fucking stitches.

Don't know how that would go in America, but I definitely wasn't impressed. Guess I'm just spoiled from growing up with a medic for a parent. My dad always used to deal with stuff like that when I was a kid, never in A&E before this.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:09 No.17181398

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:09 No.17181398

>>17178528
That's the point, white men have to wake up to the fact that outsiders don't have our interests at heart and that we should stop being the benevolent rulers that we are since they clearly don't appreciate it.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:10 No.17181451

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:10 No.17181451

>>17181098

Member of the conservative party.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:14 No.17181691

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:14 No.17181691

Replies: >>17181839

>>17181162
At least he tests you.

In the UK, he'll refuse to test you until you fight for it, by which time it may be too late and you die.


Pay to live or die for free, which do you prefer?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:15 No.17181718

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:15 No.17181718

>>17181378

>don't know how that would go in America.

Something like this:
>take end off thumb
>take taxi to ED ($25)
>sit in line with uninsured Mexicans for half an hour
>overworked nurse takes a look at your thumb and tells you to wait
>four hours later after all the Mexicans have been seen the nurse calls you again
>cleans the wound and stitches it
>you get the bill
>$1000 for shitty service
>medical insurance decides that care was not urgent and refuses to pay

You just get the same shit level of service except you have pay through the nose here.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:16 No.17181768

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:16 No.17181768

Replies: >>17182063

>>17181174
lol!!!

I loathe people like you who refuse to criticise the NHS.

If you think the UK is so perfect, what the fuck are you doing on /pol/?

Red pilled people use logic, they see flaws that the denying left don't, and propose how to fix them.

You're clearly in the wrong place mate. You've been brainwashed.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:17 No.17181839

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:17 No.17181839

Replies: >>17182240

>>17181691

No. You idiot. In the UK, the necessary tests are done. In the US, any test the doctor can think of is done and you pay the bill.

Grow up and stop thinking that tests are a magical medical tool that tells the doctor exactly what is going wrong. Here in the UK a newly graduated doctor is expected to be able to diagnose 95% on history and examination alone.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:18 No.17181945

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:18 No.17181945

Replies: >>17182137

>'NHS is worse than communist China,' say doctors
>The NHS is worse than communist China in allowing bureaucrats to over-rule doctors and take decisions which harm patients, medics have said.
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10141476/NHS-is-worse-than-communist-China-say-doctors.html

Oh the wonderful NHS!!

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:20 No.17182063

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:20 No.17182063

Replies: >>17182246 >>17182254

>>17181768

I don't refuse to criticise the NHS. I realise it has a lot of problems. However, I choose to view those problems in comparison to other country's health systems, and see the social value in a system that provides healthcare to all. If you think that privatising care would improve things, you're an idiot. Look at the States. They're moving their whole Medicare payment model to one that resembles the NHS (block grants of cash rather than payment per service). I see the bad AND the good of our system, whereas you whine about it lacking perfection.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:21 No.17182137

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:21 No.17182137

>>17181945

A Tory newspaper writing a pro-Tory article. Wow, that must be reliable.

>The British press, not even once

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:22 No.17182166

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:22 No.17182166

>become independent adult
>drive to the health insurance store like a responsible american
>get cancer in the parking lot on my way to the front entrance
>denied for pre-existing condition
>walk back to my car in disappointment
>shot, beaten, and raped by thugs in the parking lot
>emergency medical services send me the bill
>$6 trillion in debt for the rest of my life
>would commit suicide but that's illegal
>a-at least I have my f-freedoms

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:23 No.17182240

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:23 No.17182240

>>17181839
Ah wonderful NHS targets, I'm aware of them, that's why doctors hate to refer.

Let's take an example. I had a lump. The doctor should have referred me immediately.

Instead, to keep his referral numbers down, he sent me for an ultrasound. Funnily enough, it was at a private hospital! You couldn't make it up!

It came back as I expected and I had to be referred. We wasted a total of four weeks while all that was going on and I was chasing madly when I should have been seen two to three weeks earlier.

The lump had grown by then.

The NHS is a lumbering giant. But it's not just the bureaucracy, it's the culture of the staff too. The Mid-Staffs enquiry found the same too.

Oh but they don't want us blaming untouchable angel nurses do they? The fact is that they are culpable too.

My guess is that you have family working in the NHS, otherwise you wouldn't be in so much denial about the massive problems that it has.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:23 No.17182246

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:23 No.17182246

Replies: >>17182689

>>17182063
Australia does healthcare better than the UK.
Fuck, the UK is probably the worst nation in the developed world to live in, even worse than America.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:23 No.17182254

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:23 No.17182254

>>17182063
>the states are becoming a socialist shithole like us
>making the same naive mistakes that we did
>this justifies the clusterfuck of a bureaucracy that health care in brittain has become
sure thing mate

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:24 No.17182268

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:24 No.17182268

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>>17181078
pic related

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:25 No.17182316

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:25 No.17182316

>>17181078
>how much like home the hospitals are.
>NHS
>Like Home
>13000 people killed by NHS
paid NHS troll detected

noko
07/13/13(Sat)19:25 No.17182323

noko 07/13/13(Sat)19:25 No.17182323

Replies: >>17182593

The main reason ordinary Brits are proud of the NHS is because it's one of the few things we collectively built up, and consequently own, that the rich Tory cunts who run this country havn't been able (despite more than thirty years of trying) to steal from us, so they can "sell" it's services back to us for a profit.
Fuck Thatcher and all who sailed with her.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:26 No.17182389

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:26 No.17182389

Paying for services that save your life would not be such a big deal if they didn't cost a gorillion trillion dollars.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:27 No.17182485

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:27 No.17182485

>>17174898

ER's work on a triage system, so the most injured will be treated first.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:28 No.17182538

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:28 No.17182538

>>17181185
>About 282 car companies in the world http://www.carsurvey.org/

Nope there are only 27. All of the companies that you listed are subsidiaries of these 27. 8 of which are Chinese owned, 1 is partly owned by Iran, 1 is party owned by France and 1 is partly owned by the US. Of the rest all have received government funding at some point.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:29 No.17182593

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:29 No.17182593

>>17182323
Hilarious!

You do realise that when Labour took it over under Blair that, although they reduced waiting lists, they totally fucked it up in every way imaginable, including pouring a ton of money down the drain?

All these scandals, the Mid-Staffs, MRSA, GP salaries going through the roof, etc. etc. all under LABOUR.

What are you doing on /pol/? I thought you were red pilled? Go back to your Socialist Worker rag.

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:30 No.17182649

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:30 No.17182649

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>>17178573
And who do you think picks up the costs of the free riders?

Anonymous
07/13/13(Sat)19:30 No.17182689

Anonymous 07/13/13(Sat)19:30 No.17182689

>>17182246

Australia does healthcare better than most countries.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say we're the worst. Definitely not one of the best. But I still like living in this country.