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Whats up with Pol Pot?
What I've gathered is that he believed that basic man was perfect and that most people these days have been corrupted by technology, the city folk and like.
He was also a communist and failed a scholarship in france.
He evacuated the cities and took the people to the country. He segregated the country folk and city folk, the country folk had to help the city folk adapt.
If you took an apple from a tree or anything else from the "community" you'd be killed, tortured or warned. Most likely killed.
At the end of the day, week, month, whatever. They'd round up all the harvested food and take it off to wherever they took it off to.

Even though Pol Pot seems anarcho primitivism, he still used guns, cars and many pieces of modern technology.

So, what IS up with Pol Pot and his views?
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>>12828348 (OP)
>So, what IS up with Pol Pot and his views?
One of the Cabinet level ministers got a quite good doctorate in France on the topic of the liquidation of the bourgeoisie as a class as the physical liquidation of the constituent members of that class. Well argued.

As soon as Vietnam found out what Pol Pot was doing, they invaded Cambodia to stop the genocide.

As soon as the US and UK found out what Pol Pot was doing, they sent him money and guns.
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If at least all the oppression, killing and though decisions had led to a great country, but just take a look at Cambodia...

He screwed up.
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I forget whether it was Kissinger or Brzezinski who funded him by laundering money through Thailand as an attempt to aggravate the sino-soviet split. Must have been Brzezinski -- he's a knee-jerk russophobe.
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>communist
>takes all the communities food
lel
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You forgot that China helped him by supplying him with goods and services.
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Pol Pot was a very bad man. He killed thousands and thousands of people because he was such a bad man.
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Seems like your average radical leftie to me. Meaning he was fucking insane.
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Stupid paranoid communist cunt who killed half of his countrymen and archieved nothing.
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He was a true communist, he believed that people only had worth as long as they could contribute to the state and that certain attributes were ''corrupting''. He was trying to create a perfect communist society from the books.
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>>12828688
Probably the best summary of him ever made.
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Your daily reminder
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>>12828607
>You forgot that China helped him by supplying him with goods and services

You forgot that Reagan and Thatcher helped him by supplying him with CIA and SAS assistance.
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>>12828416
>As soon as Vietnam found out what Pol Pot was doing, they invaded Cambodia to stop the genocide.

Except Cambodia started the Cambodian-Vietnam War because they feared "Vietnamese Expasionanism". Stop making shit up. Vietnam was hostile to Cambodia because they thought it was pro-China. A country which they would later fight. Not because of the genocide.
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>>12828792
Didn't he deny humanitarian aid?
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>>12828815
Oh no, singling out ethnic Viets in Cambodia and systematically killing them wasn't any motivation to the Vietnamese state.
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Relevant.
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>>12828863

What did Mao Zedong even do anyway?
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>>12828863
>leopold
8/10, would bang
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>>12828920
Really really bad economic decisions. Plus that kill count is Rummel-grade-stupidity.
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>>12828792
That girl meets my approval rating.
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>>12828920
Chinese communist.
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>>12828970

I know that but how and why did he exactly kill so many people?
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>>12828920

Kill his own citizens by letting them starve mostly.
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>>12828841

The CIA and SAS are "humanitarian"?

http://www.newstatesman.com/node/137397
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>>12828863

>17 million
>Hitler

It's 6 gorillion you anti Semite
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>>12828848
They had been killing high-ranking Vietnamese in Cambodia before the war. Oh sure, I bet they didn't like that either. There wasn't a single Cassus Belli. However, implying that was a significant factor is just wrong. You also implied it was because of the killing in general, not just the killing of Vietnamese.
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>>12828773

Your daily reminder that it was the Commie Vietnamese who stopped Pol Pot while the West just stood by and fretted.
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>>12828999
In that case Winston Churchill deserves to be on that list with 1.5 - 4 million minimum:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943#Supplies_from_other_countries
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>>12828863
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Leftie dictatorships and communism not even once
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>>12828863

How did Germany kill 17 millon? What does that even include?

>>12828848

Polish Marxsts did the same to Ethnic Germans in Dan Zig and yet Germnay isnt allowed to intervene there apparently, according to History.
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>>12828989
Probably counts indirect kills by starvation and disease.
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>>12829119

muh hologaust

Also probably people he killed in occupied territories
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>>12828637
You are qualified to be a history teacher in state's high school. Here's to the next generation!
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>>12829070
The killing in general was also a cassus belli. The specificity of the killing informed the immediacy of the intervention.
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>>12828863

We are so good at genociding Armenians, we managed to genocide 1.3 million non-existant Armenians.
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>>12828863
>Leopold II

When Belgians try to do something else than beer and guns, they do genocides.

Find a middle-ground dudes...
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>>12829091
People starving to death in a country is only attributable to their government if they are communist.
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>>12828348 (OP)
He was a true communist, but when communism didn't work in Cambodia like everywhere else, he fell into the trap of thinking "if it wasn't for X, communism would totally work!" So then he ended up killing every smart person, people with disabilities, tall people, etc.

The moral of the story is that communism doesn't work and is a cancer on the mind.
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>>12829265
Oh you Turks and your fucking Armenians. Just own up to it. We killed our Indians, you killed Armenians. It's not like anyone gives a fuck, they weren't Jews or anything
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>>12828581

Not giving all your food to the community is hording and ergo encouraging capitalistic attitudes. It was necessary to not undermine the revolutionary spirit of the people!
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>>12829368

But Anon, I am not saying that we didn't kill Armenians. I am saying that we didn't kill 2.5 million of them. There weren't 1.5 million Armenians in Ottoman Empire back then, let alone 2.5 million.
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>>12829119

I'd imagine Holocaust+gays/gypsies and then Russian civilians.
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>>12829215
That's just Vietnamese propaganda. They started spreading that idea to gain the sympathy of the international community.
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>>12829268

Leopold's presence in the Congo was maintained through Mercenaries. Leopold ignored all the other colonial nations and was forced to relinquish control by his own government.
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>>12828920
He pushed through several very stupid policies. The worst was his Great Leap Forward which was mostly designed to turn China into a steel producing nation on par with the iron fields of France. He basically ordered every village to start producing steel on a micro foundry level. The thing is, they didn't have any iron to work with so being ignorant peasants they just melted down their farming tools. This made shit steel not worth using in any form. This also led to tons of wasted time and no farming implements so several years went by with no one growing any damn food which was made worse by flooding. THEN he started forcing people to create these new cities out in the middle of godamn nowhere trying to imitate the Siberian cities of Russia. All in all it was a clusterfuck of bad management made worse by the fact that you could not tell Mao shit. He would execute his top minds if they disagreed with him and constantly threatened his party that if they worked against him he would abandon the party and start a new rebellion.
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>>12829774

Don't forget that even after he realised how awful the smelting plan was, he still continued to do it as to not undermine the 'revolutionary spirit' of the people.
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>>12828920
A great leap forward.
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>>12829268
>Find a middle-ground dudes...

French-fries are theirs. The chocolate they make is art.

Belgium films to watch: Man bites Dog. /pol/ would love the shit out that flick.
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>>12828348 (OP)
Why is it always dictator's educated in the west that turn into complete sociopath's, when they return into there mother land?
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>>12829774
>>12829881
Sounds like high school politics on a greater scale.
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>>12829119
>How did Germany kill 17 millon? What does that even include?
11 million in concentration camps along with 6 million people that died due to the wars he caused.
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>>12830064
the get indoctrinated in the west.
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>>12830064
Why don't you learn English?
>>12829349
Pretty much this, OP.
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>>12830159
>Why don't you learn English?

And this, people, is why the Commitments had subtitle in America: yanks are too fucking dense to grasp the meaning of a sentence if it's not written in shitty little text speech.

Go choke on a burger.
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>>12829119
Well entire WW2 death tool was around 70 million people that is including Axis and Allies (most are civilians ofc), i would pin all of that on Hitler since he was the one that started it.
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>>12828348 (OP)
>HURR I WANT TO CREATE COMMUNISM SO EVERYBODY WILL BE EQUAL
Creates a despotic government where he ruled and his cohorts enforced it.

Everytime I see that idealistic Leftard in my University handing out flyers about a communistic alternative to our government, I think of Pol Pot
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>>12830072
Sadly, he wasn't the real nutjob of the party. That title belonged to his wife. What really makes me sad is the bad rep Deng Xiaoping gets from Tienanmen Square when he basically won the war for Mao and saved China after Mao's death.
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>>12830288
I am from Europe, cunt. Stop using Google Translate.
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>>12830922
>Stop using Google Translate.

Wat? You're the retard who couldn't understand simple English. Why are you so wilfully dense?

Is that damage control? I guess it is.
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>>12831015
Okay, I will fix your post for you.
>>12830064
>Why is it always dictator's educated in the west that turn into complete sociopath's, when they return into there mother land?
Why is it always that dictators who are educated in the west are the ones that turn in complete psychopaths when they return to their motherland.


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