Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)18:48 No.15049439

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)18:48 No.15049439

Replies: >>15049478

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Put me to work.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)18:49 No.15049478

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)18:49 No.15049478

Replies: >>15049536

>>15049439
you spineless drone

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)18:50 No.15049536

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)18:50 No.15049536

>>15049478
Its a direction.
Keep running that wheel.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)18:51 No.15049565

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)18:51 No.15049565

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Shut up.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)18:53 No.15049637

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)18:53 No.15049637

Replies: >>15050600

>>15049156 (OP)
It's a fucking military force, what do you expect.

That said federation culture is a weird amalgam of humanist ideals and military fetishism, and I loved when they used to explore the tension between that on tng, but ultimately star trek was only progressive for its time (and now, just generic action movies).

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)18:53 No.15049659

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)18:53 No.15049659

Replies: >>15049757

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You could always change management...

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)18:55 No.15049755

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)18:55 No.15049755

Star Trek is build around the world where people are constantly killing themselves and being cloned as part of their job.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)18:55 No.15049757

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)18:55 No.15049757

>>15049659
>>15049659
well, they got a better logo at least.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:05 No.15050144

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:05 No.15050144

Replies: >>15051771 >>15052206

http://www.cracked.com/video_18398_why-star-trek-universe-secretly-horrifying.html

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:06 No.15050167

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:06 No.15050167

Replies: >>15050395 >>15050422 >>15050667

I had a dream once where I went aboard one of those ships, only to realize that they were all clones and didn't realize it. That humanity decided to create an idealized ship crew for diplomacy with aliens races

That they were nothing more than biological robots with false implanted memories, like replicants in blade runner.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:06 No.15050177

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:06 No.15050177

Wrong Starfleet is a mushroom cult

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:07 No.15050214

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:07 No.15050214

Replies: >>15050423

>>15049156 (OP)

In seriousness, the series NEVER really directly explains how Federation society is specifically run, or how any of it works. This is a huge flaw of Star Trek. They avoid it because it's obvious that such a system could not work, and that people are still too deeply flawed.

The Federation has a president. Who's a humanoid of some sort (ST treats aliens as basically humans so it doesn't matter). He/She/It is going to be flawed as fuck. The Federation council will also be people. They will be flawed, and so forht. There's going to be corruption, and infighting, and so forth.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:08 No.15050264

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:08 No.15050264

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>>15049156 (OP)

Bump it, don't slide it.

http://www.jpost.com/National-News/3rd-state-agrees-to-take-Israels-Eritrean-migrants-315161

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:12 No.15050395

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:12 No.15050395

>>15050167

That makes a hell of a lot of sense. Except for those episodes in TNG where the crew visits their families.

Then again.

>Force all the liberal Authoritarians into space to have their communist feel-good utopia

>Everybody on Earth just sits back and enjoys the glorious An-Cap.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:12 No.15050422

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:12 No.15050422

Replies: >>15050560 >>15050719

>>15050167

That would make a nice sci-fi story.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:12 No.15050423

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:12 No.15050423

Replies: >>15050522

>>15050214
in the beginning of tng, picard made it sound like a utopia but if you watch voy,ds9 it's just current earth with spaceships and 95% of the population on welfare

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:14 No.15050493

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:14 No.15050493

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>>15049156 (OP)

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:14 No.15050522

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:14 No.15050522

>>15050423
>in the beginning of tng, picard made it sound like a utopia but if you watch voy,ds9 it's just current earth with spaceships and 95% of the population on welfare

Yeah, that's a retcon. DS9 also introduced corruption, and some grit to the series. There's an episode with a General who wants to have a coup against the Federation leaders so he can properly fight the Dominion War, and Earth is paranoid about changeling infiltration. And there's Section 31, who are like scary CIA guys who get the dirty work done to keep things working. And although they're portrayed as sketchy, they are the ones who end up ending the war.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:15 No.15050560

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:15 No.15050560

>>15050422

Read the Forever War

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:16 No.15050600

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:16 No.15050600

>>15049637
My thoughts, humanist lib propaganda.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:16 No.15050601

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:16 No.15050601

>>15049156 (OP)
You haven't watched the show then. Starfleet is akin to the navy in terms of discipline and rules. However the Prime Directive prevents them from imposing their will on the species they encounter. A lot of aliens didn't join Starfleet.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:17 No.15050637

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:17 No.15050637

Replies: >>15050735 >>15052681

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>>15049156 (OP)

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:18 No.15050667

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:18 No.15050667

Replies: >>15050720 >>15050733

>>15050167
>I had a dream once where I went aboard one of those ships, only to realize that they were all clones and didn't realize it.
1. They are cannonically all clones. That's how teleporters work in Star Trek (destroy original, create copy at destination)
2. They totally fucking realized it, they just didn't give a fuck (except for that time where a teleporter signal got glitched and they ended up with 2 clones...he gave a fuck)
>That they were nothing more than biological robots with false implanted memories, like replicants in blade runner.
That's basically what they are

Everyone in Star Trek died the first time they teleoported. Teleporters are replicators+suicide booths.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:19 No.15050703

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:19 No.15050703

>>15049156 (OP)
>Thry impose their ideals and will on any and all species they encounter.
What is the Prime Directive?

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:19 No.15050719

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:19 No.15050719

Replies: >>15051188

>>15050422
It's the only way they could revive the star trek brand from my perspective. Those new action movies are just mindless entertainment, it'll never have a following like the originals.

DS9 tried to make it a less idealized utopian vision I think that this was a mistake. Keep the space communist fairy tale going but hint at almost unbelievably dark side to the story.

They should have a battle angel alita moment where a slave slices his head open and realizes what's inside...

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:19 No.15050720

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:19 No.15050720

>>15050667
canonically*

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:20 No.15050733

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:20 No.15050733

Replies: >>15050877

>>15050667
Your first point is wrong, in Star Trek the teleporters are essentially magic that take your consciousness and transmit it somehow.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:20 No.15050735

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:20 No.15050735

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>>15050637
>It has been 3 days since the Prime Directive was last broken

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:22 No.15050796

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:22 No.15050796

Replies: >>15050924

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>>15049156 (OP)
TNG was the most egalitarian, politically correct bullshit ever. I fully blame being made to watch that show as a child for imparting in me the idea that feely feels are more important than pragmatic self interest.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:24 No.15050877

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:24 No.15050877

>>15050733
>Your first point is wrong, in Star Trek the teleporters are essentially magic that take your consciousness and transmit it somehow.
Except they don't. The mind is based in the body's engrams. They explored this when they ended up with

>Thomas Riker first appears in Star Trek: The Next Generation's "Second Chances", when the Enterprise-D crew travels to Nervala IV, the site of the transporter accident. The crew discovers that while William Riker (then a Lieutenant) beamed aboard the Potemkin and continued his career, a duplicate Riker was unable to return to the ship and rematerialized in that planet's abandoned Starfleet outpost.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:25 No.15050918

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:25 No.15050918

Replies: >>15051324

I don't know how anyone could hate the federation. It's a thousand times better than what we have now. Anyone hating it is just some edgy fuck who thinks happiness or contentment is evil and that people being able to do what they want in life is wrong.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:25 No.15050924

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:25 No.15050924

Replies: >>15051095

>>15050796
That black engineer in TNG (can't spell his name) was originally gay, but they figured all that PC and gender politics might be too much

They even hint at it, he has terrible luck with women.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:26 No.15050973

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:26 No.15050973

Replies: >>15051461

DS9 is the only series that truly holds up. Some of the acting was fishy as all hell, but most of the plots were solid.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:27 No.15051000

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:27 No.15051000

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I'd still join.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:30 No.15051095

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:30 No.15051095

Replies: >>15051355

>>15050924
Oh. I just thought LaForge was supposed to be your typical engineer with Aspergers that just can't understand women at all.

Doctor Bashir and Mr. Garak from DS9 were originally supposed to have a sort of gaymance. Check out the scene where they first meet, Garak flirts shamelessly with Bashir, who gets shy and nervous. Erections will be had.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:32 No.15051188

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:32 No.15051188

Replies: >>15051416

>>15050719
>DS9 tried to make it a less idealized utopian vision I think that this was a mistake. Keep the space communist fairy tale going but hint at almost unbelievably dark side to the story.

I went through Legend of the Galactic Heroes, and kind of think that's how to revitalize Star Trek right. Add a political relatable element to it. Add corruption, political parties, and so forth. Continue the trend DS9 made.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:34 No.15051273

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:34 No.15051273

>>15049156 (OP)
Clearly the empire in the mirror universe is the way things should be run, amirite OP?

John Conrad !xknyZgUiTA
06/02/13(Sun)19:35 No.15051288

John Conrad !xknyZgUiTA 06/02/13(Sun)19:35 No.15051288

Replies: >>15051320

>>15049156 (OP)
The US Navy is a fascist ocean cult. Deal with it.

They have to all dress the same. Think the same. Behave the same. Thry impose their ideals and will on any and all countres they encounter.

Just like all cults they begin with love bombing. They imply that they love all countries and democracy, but it eventually becomes clear that their acceptance only applies to those who trade in petro dollars

Fuck you US Navy. Fuck you.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:35 No.15051320

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:35 No.15051320

>>15051288
Thank you for your input, US Air Force.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:35 No.15051324

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:35 No.15051324

Replies: >>15051362

>>15050918
>I don't know how anyone could hate the federation. It's a thousand times better than what we have now. Anyone hating it is just some edgy fuck who thinks happiness or contentment is evil and that people being able to do what they want in life is wrong.

It's just too idealistic. I'm an idealist, but not that much. We'll always be doing bullshit, even in the future.

>In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:36 No.15051355

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:36 No.15051355

Replies: >>15051512

>>15051095
Bashir was a total flamer. His relationship with O'Brien just got gayer and gayer as the series went on.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:36 No.15051362

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:36 No.15051362

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>>15051324

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:37 No.15051416

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:37 No.15051416

Replies: >>15051526

>>15051188
TNG had an episode where starfleet command was controlled by brain bugs. Picard went full genocidal.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:38 No.15051461

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:38 No.15051461

Replies: >>15051576 >>15051617 >>15051672 >>15051761

>>15050973
Are you kidding me? DS9 was the worst. It was intended for a black audience with the whole religious themes and bajorian prophets. Seriously that shit ruined the whole series, and for those of you that doubt me:

>The visions show him as Benny Russell, an African-American science fiction writer on Earth in 1950s New York City. Benny Russell writes for the science fiction magazine Incredible Tales, in a New York City populated by human versions of different characters from DS9: Herbert Rossoff (Quark) as a left-wing short-tempered Jewish writer; Julius Eaton (Dr. Bashir), a British writer; K.C. Hunter (Kira Nerys), Eaton's wife and a tough woman writer who has to adopt a nom de plume to disguise the fact that she's a woman from her readers; Albert Macklin (Miles O'Brien), a socially awkward stutterer who prefers to write stories about robots; Darlene Kursky (Jadzia Dax), a secretary whose ditsy, giggly personality belies her intelligence; Douglas Pabst (Odo), the editor of Incredible Tales, who feigns sympathy for the discriminatory treatment experienced by Benny (and K.C.), but refuses to help them or take responsibility for his own role in their treatment; Roy Rittenhouse, an artist (Martok); an unnamed newsboy (Nog); two bigoted policemen, Officer Burt Ryan (Gul Dukat) and Officer Kevin Mulkahey (Weyoun); Benny's girlfriend Cassie (Kassidy Yates); Willie Hawkins, a baseball player (Worf); Jimmy, a local hustler (Jake Sisko); and a fiery preacher who preaches about the will of the Prophets (Joseph Sisko).

>Pabst announces photo day and Hunter takes the hint that she should not show up that day so that the readers don't learn she's a woman. Benny Russell realizes he's not expected to show up for photos either because he is black.

It gets worse from here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Beyond_the_Stars

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:39 No.15051512

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:39 No.15051512

Replies: >>15051574

>>15051355
Yeah, boy. Who didn't want to see Bashir in the holodeck, leaning over a bed of photons, pulling apart his genetically augmented buttcheeks and begging O'brien to "Ram (him) with that dirty, catholic pig sticker" as Garek watches in the shadows.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:40 No.15051526

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:40 No.15051526

>>15051416
>TNG had an episode where starfleet command was controlled by brain bugs. Picard went full genocidal.

Writer originally wanted that to be a commentary on America funding Contras. But Roddenberry didn't want the idea of any kind of corruption in Star Fleet. Roddenberry and a writer's strike are why S1-2 are pretty bad.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:41 No.15051574

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:41 No.15051574

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>>15051512

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:41 No.15051576

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:41 No.15051576

>>15051461

That was a good episode DESPITE it being a blatant Emmy bait. And Sisko actor really hamming it up.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:42 No.15051616

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:42 No.15051616

Replies: >>15051663

YOU VOLUNTARILY JOIN STARFLEET.

THEY ARE CLEARLY IN A SORT OF ANARCHIST SOCIETY WHERE PEOPLE FREELY CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

STAR FLEET NATURALLY FORMED OUT OF THAT FREEDOM.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:42 No.15051617

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:42 No.15051617

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>>15051461
Wow. A whole episode devoted to white guilt! Compare that to TNG, whose earlier seasons were nothing but white guilt with a side of white man's burden.

>your face while on the pavement, getting kicked by Weyoun and Dukat.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:43 No.15051657

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:43 No.15051657

Replies: >>15051768

>>15051617
>Compare that to TNG, whose earlier seasons were nothing but white guilt with a side of white man's burden.

I don't remember that.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:43 No.15051663

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:43 No.15051663

>>15051616
Starfleet predates the federation, nigga.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:43 No.15051672

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:43 No.15051672

>>15051461
I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm also sorryI feel you should go fuck yourself.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:45 No.15051761

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:45 No.15051761

Replies: >>15051796

>>15051461
Far Beyond the Stars wasn't a half bad episode though.

Hell they even actually threw around the word nigger in it.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:45 No.15051768

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:45 No.15051768

>>15051657
Oh, help us white man! We aliens who are startlingly akin to Orientals are about to be wiped out by this asteroid!

No, white man! Help me! The super powerful alien that constantly fucks with you for his own amusement!

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:45 No.15051771

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:45 No.15051771

>>15050144
>everyone in the military wears a uniform
>of the fascism
Golden criticism here

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:46 No.15051796

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:46 No.15051796

Replies: >>15051864

>>15051761
It was too whiny. I like DS9, but I can't stand the whine.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:47 No.15051862

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:47 No.15051862

Replies: >>15052031 >>15052128 >>15052428

Political correctness killed star trek as a tv show franchise.

With black and women captains/commanders they lost their mainly white nerd audience, trying to get it back with enterprise which was a terrible terrible show.

At least it'll live on as mindless scifi action movies.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:47 No.15051864

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:47 No.15051864

>>15051796
Oh it definitely wasn't the best episode, but it wasn't a fucking series breaker like that guy was trying to make it out to be. I'd watch it over half of anything that came out of Voyager.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:49 No.15051924

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:49 No.15051924

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It's a faaaaaake!

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:52 No.15052031

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:52 No.15052031

>>15051862
>With black and women captains/commanders they lost their mainly white nerd audience, trying to get it back with enterprise which was a terrible terrible show.

That wasn't it. Sisko was okay. Voyager was just a bad show.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:54 No.15052128

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:54 No.15052128

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>>15051862
It's hard to be a racist and still like and admire Sisko's character, but I manage. If even Atreides Dukes can be black, why not a Star Fleet captain?

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)19:56 No.15052206

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)19:56 No.15052206

Replies: >>15052575

>>15050144
God fucking damn it I am mad that I spent my time watching that

>Those forced jokes
>That disgusting jewish cunt
>That entire argument

Holy shit cracked is officially hte worst site on the internet

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)20:01 No.15052375

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)20:01 No.15052375

Replies: >>15052402

Nope, they have ubiquitous Holodeck technology, they got all their crazy out from childhood, and the folks who can't get past being a fucked up human being basically just live on the Holodeck. The Federation isn't some dour oligarchy, they're exploring the universe because they already DID everything they could on the Holodeck. They're not boring, they're bored. Once you've skydived off the Cliffs of Dover railing a hooker and snorting cocaine, you realize that there's no point to it because it's not real, so you straighten up in order to do real shit with real people.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)20:01 No.15052402

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)20:01 No.15052402

Replies: >>15052478

>>15052375
>implying Riker didn't use all of his holodeck credits using Picard's mouth as a toilet.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)20:02 No.15052428

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)20:02 No.15052428

>>15051862

Seasons 3 and 4 of Enterprise were basically the best seasons of any Star Trek series ever.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)20:03 No.15052478

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)20:03 No.15052478

>>15052402

Nah Riker used his credits on a gigantic mirror to jerk off to.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)20:05 No.15052552

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)20:05 No.15052552

Replies: >>15052601

So were the Bajorans Jews?

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)20:06 No.15052575

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)20:06 No.15052575

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>>15052206
>Holy shit cracked is officially hte worst site on the internet

No shit

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)20:06 No.15052587

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)20:06 No.15052587

>you will never convince Tomalak that he has beaten you, and listen to him as he runs his mouth not knowing about the ace up your sleeve.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)20:07 No.15052601

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)20:07 No.15052601

>>15052552

No, the Bajorans were Armenians. See, people cared about the Holocaust so they couldn't be a Jew analogy.

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)20:09 No.15052681

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)20:09 No.15052681

>>15050637
I love you, nigga

Anonymous
06/02/13(Sun)20:09 No.15052685

Anonymous 06/02/13(Sun)20:09 No.15052685

>>15049156 (OP)
Your country's army is a fascist space cult. Deal with it.

They have to all dress the same. Think the same. Behave the same. They impose their ideals and will on any and all species they encounter.

Oh wait--silly me! I was holding your country's army to the same standards as your country's government's constituents! Please forgive me for being so retarded.