Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)12:51 No.15639187

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)12:51 No.15639187

>right to education
nope

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)12:54 No.15639276

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)12:54 No.15639276

Replies: >>15639837 >>15642270

>right to indoctrination

good one rabbi

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)12:54 No.15639281

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)12:54 No.15639281

Replies: >>15639351 >>15639353 >>15639445

>>15639014 (OP)
not a libertarian,but personally i think that education and healthcare(cosmetic treatments not included) are the only things on the planet that should have no price tag.everything else you must pay.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)12:56 No.15639345

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)12:56 No.15639345

>positive rights
>ever

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)12:56 No.15639351

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)12:56 No.15639351

Replies: >>15639688

>>15639281
and by education i mean actually useful stuff, no sociology,no womyn studies and so on...

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)12:56 No.15639353

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)12:56 No.15639353

>>15639281
someone is paying for that shit, one way or another.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)12:57 No.15639379

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)12:57 No.15639379

Replies: >>15639430

>>15639014 (OP)
Productivity increases with education, so I don't see why a right to education would be eradicated.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)12:57 No.15639398

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)12:57 No.15639398

>>15639014 (OP)
can can anything be a right when it enslaves someone else to provide the service to you?

protip:this includes health care

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)12:58 No.15639430

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)12:58 No.15639430

>>15639379
that doesnt hold true in a highly selective job market.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)12:58 No.15639445

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)12:58 No.15639445

Replies: >>15639608

>>15639281
You pay educators with thin air?
Are teachers supposed to be slaves?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:00 No.15639500

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:00 No.15639500

Replies: >>15642442

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>Implying physical infrastructure would exist that would allow pedestrian transit to an education facility under under great unquestionable libertarian paradise

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:03 No.15639608

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:03 No.15639608

>>15639445
Maybe or people could pay them out of their own pocket like they did in the olden times.

At the moment I pay tax for schools I have no children to send too.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:05 No.15639656

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:05 No.15639656

Replies: >>15639689

if you teach a person to read and write, they can teach themselves basically everything if they have access to the internet

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:06 No.15639688

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:06 No.15639688

Replies: >>15639712

>>15639351
>sociology not useful

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:06 No.15639689

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:06 No.15639689

Replies: >>15640386

>>15639656
too bad theres no choice just to pay for people to learn to read and write.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:07 No.15639712

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:07 No.15639712

Replies: >>15639802

>>15639688
give us the benefits sociology has on society if you would.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:07 No.15639715

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:07 No.15639715

>>15639014 (OP)
I wish to petpet loli and offer icecream

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:10 No.15639797

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:10 No.15639797

Replies: >>15639826

Everyone would be homeschooled by family and friends of family.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:10 No.15639802

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:10 No.15639802

Replies: >>15639867

>>15639712
to understand and find limits of social processes forming our individualities, that would enable us to select the right policies for most pressing contemporary issues

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:11 No.15639826

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:11 No.15639826

Replies: >>15640846 >>15642561

>>15639797
that would be insufficient for me, and no, my relatives are not retarded

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:11 No.15639837

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:11 No.15639837

>>15639276
Yea libertarians and Zionists have that in common, no education for girls.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:12 No.15639857

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:12 No.15639857

>right to seek education
yes

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:12 No.15639864

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:12 No.15639864

>>15639014 (OP)

I think it's great. The government shouldn't throw anyone in prison for going to school.

But of course, when liberals talk about "rights", they don't mean rights. They mean the power to force other people at gun point to pay for their lifestyle.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:12 No.15639867

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:12 No.15639867

Replies: >>15639974

>>15639802
>most pressing contemporary issues
such as?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:13 No.15639895

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:13 No.15639895

>Right

Even if it was a right, it would be a lesser right at the expense of a greater right (to one's own property), so that would be bullshit.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:16 No.15639966

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:16 No.15639966

Replies: >>15640017 >>15640393

In a free market all children would have access to education. Altough some schools would require you to pay to enter, some schools would be free and make money in other ways, such as advertisements in schools or student loans. I know american hate student loans these days, but in a free market there would be tons of companies offering you loans so you'd be able to get something fair with low interest rates that doesn't require you to pay until a certain amount of time.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:16 No.15639974

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:16 No.15639974

Replies: >>15640109 >>15640295 >>15640349 >>15642331

>>15639867
family crisis
dominance of instrumental reason
wealth disparity
effects of technological progress

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:17 No.15640017

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:17 No.15640017

Replies: >>15640069

>>15639966
good example how libertarian term "free" actually means enslaved

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:19 No.15640069

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:19 No.15640069

Replies: >>15640136

>>15640017
I don't see how there is slavery here so please explain yourself.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:20 No.15640109

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:20 No.15640109

Replies: >>15640160 >>15640260

>>15639974
and how would sociology solve those issues?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:21 No.15640136

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:21 No.15640136

Replies: >>15640191 >>15640196 >>15640216

>>15640069
1. education only for those who can afford it
2. knowledge means power
3. ???
4. profit

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:22 No.15640160

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:22 No.15640160

>>15640109
oh man, not in image board format, you have to read books

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:22 No.15640191

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:22 No.15640191

Replies: >>15640265

>>15640136
But I already explained two ways of how people could attend a free school.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:22 No.15640196

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:22 No.15640196

>>15640136
but you or your parents are what allow you to afford it so those who are self sufficient would benefit from this.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:23 No.15640216

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:23 No.15640216

Replies: >>15640263 >>15640316 >>15640349

>>15640136
People don't have power over others in a libertarian society.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:23 No.15640226

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:23 No.15640226

I believe basic things like reading, writing, math, some law and economics is all that should be required

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:24 No.15640239

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:24 No.15640239

You work for the person who is teaching you.

This is how it was done in the past, we just forced children out of work because the stupid and lazy unions didn't want competition.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:24 No.15640260

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:24 No.15640260

>>15640109
It won't. It will make up vague theories about them then implement policies that make the problems even worse.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:24 No.15640263

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:24 No.15640263

Replies: >>15640322

>>15640216
lol

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:24 No.15640265

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:24 No.15640265

Replies: >>15640343 >>15642601

>>15640191
>advertisements are not brainwashing

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:25 No.15640295

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:25 No.15640295

>>15639974
The free market solves all of those, so why do we need sociology?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:26 No.15640316

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:26 No.15640316

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>>15640216
how do they suppress such common drive?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:26 No.15640322

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:26 No.15640322

>>15640263
OK, I'll humor you.

How would someone have power over another in a libertarian society?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:27 No.15640343

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:27 No.15640343

Replies: >>15640435

>>15640265
Advertisements is a requirement of free market. Please understand that without monopolies, people need to be informed to what products they can buy. Even schools would advertise themselves to parents to show their merits. Advertisement is not brainwashing, it is simply a mean of communication.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:27 No.15640349

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:27 No.15640349

Replies: >>15640460

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>>15639974
These can be solved be others things like straight up fascism.

If you have a right to education, you also have a duty to your people. Forward, march.

>>15640216
pic related

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:28 No.15640386

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:28 No.15640386

>>15639689
pretty sure there would be in libertarian paradise.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:28 No.15640393

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:28 No.15640393

Replies: >>15640566

>>15639966
>student loans starting in kindergarten
>13 years of interest when you get out of highschool

That is the most horrible thing I have heard today.

If you want to get more kids access to education then MOOCs (massive open online courses) are the way to do it in order to balance cost against results. Unfortunately those also require that kids are somehow motivated so their parents would have to get involve and punish them if they aren't keeping up in classes. Modern parents can't be bothered and want someone else to take care of it for them.

Modern public schools are essentially babysitters that allow parents to squirt out kids without having to deal with them for most of the day.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:29 No.15640435

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:29 No.15640435

Replies: >>15640705

>>15640343
look at ads around you- are they communicating real information about products or lies?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:31 No.15640460

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:31 No.15640460

Replies: >>15641417 >>15642373

>>15640349
looking back shows us education is most fruitful when not bind to any performance expectations

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:31 No.15640465

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:31 No.15640465

Replies: >>15640479 >>15640521 >>15640919

Since when did libertarianism ever equal no taxes or public services? That's treading into AnCap territory.

If anything, to me, public education in a libertarian society wouldn't be about indoctrination because of a restricted budget and lack of big gov to actually desire such a thing.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:31 No.15640479

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:31 No.15640479

Replies: >>15640593 >>15640621

>>15640465
Ancap is the logical conclusion of libertarianism.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:33 No.15640521

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:33 No.15640521

>>15640465
>implying big business would not establish totalitarian government

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:33 No.15640522

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:33 No.15640522

>>15639014 (OP)
Our current education system needs a major overhaul, but it's one of the few things I think the gov't ought to provide.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:35 No.15640566

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:35 No.15640566

Replies: >>15640643

>>15640393
>That is the most horrible thing I have heard today.
Maybe. But if it IS terrible, then in a free market people can just look for alternatives so it doesn't matter how terrible something is.

As for the rest, I believe people are the product of their time and culture. In a free market society, parents would act differently simply. They'd have to, with no welfare and food stamps.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:36 No.15640593

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:36 No.15640593

>>15640479
I disagree.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:37 No.15640621

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:37 No.15640621

Replies: >>15640697

>>15640479
>What is Robert Nozick's argument that an AnCap situation will inevitably evolve into a miniarchist state through the eventual emergence of a single locally dominant private defense and judicial agency that it is in everyone's interests to align with because other agencies are unable to effectively compete against the advantages of the agency with majority coverage

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:38 No.15640643

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:38 No.15640643

Replies: >>15640686 >>15640733

>>15640566
sounds like return to children labor, thanks for reminding me contemporary states are still much better

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:38 No.15640663

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:38 No.15640663

by education do you mean
>inefficient, state-sponsored indoctrination/day-care center
or
>every individual has the right to learn and expand his/her mind

because as far as i'm concerned there are mcdonald's, starbuck's, and plenty of other businesses with free wi-fi internet so anyone can educate themselves without being forced from k-12 to sit through something as inefficient as the US public education system

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:39 No.15640686

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:39 No.15640686

>>15640643
What's wrong with child labor?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:39 No.15640697

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:39 No.15640697

Replies: >>15641019

>>15640621
>private courts

0/10

See me after class.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:40 No.15640705

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:40 No.15640705

Replies: >>15640764

>>15640435
Define "lies" here. Some advertisements are only imageries that don't communicate anything important, but it doesn't mean they are lies.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:41 No.15640733

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:41 No.15640733

>>15640643
Your children are still doing labor in schools except it's useless labor and they don't get paid for it. Might as well replace all the useless classes with something they can earn money to pay for the few important classes.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:41 No.15640743

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:41 No.15640743

Replies: >>15640806

>>15639014 (OP)
You have no right to education. That said, a system of vouchers for education is something I would support. Your voucher would cover primary and secondary school. College would be partially covered. Professions like engineering, computer science and the like would be covered. Bullshit like women's studies would not. Additional conditions could be added so that if you have a high GPA your vouchers covers more than someone's with a low GPA.

I think that on balance such a system would satisfy everyone. People get education, government doesn't take over schools, you don't get teachers unions etc.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:42 No.15640764

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:42 No.15640764

Replies: >>15640798 >>15640857 >>15642640

>>15640705

Not the same guy but an easy example is Axe commercials implying if you use their product you are going to drown in pussy,

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:43 No.15640796

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:43 No.15640796

Replies: >>15640991

>>15639014 (OP)
It's a positive claim, it affects other peoples' property rights to give a 'right' to education. There would be charity in an actual free market

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:43 No.15640798

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:43 No.15640798

>>15640764
Depicting someone using Axe and getting women is not making the claim that it will happen.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:43 No.15640806

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:43 No.15640806

Replies: >>15640843 >>15640852 >>15640927

>>15640743
AnCaps don't think anyone has any rights do they? Because that would infringe upon the God given right to fuck everyone over to make a dollar.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:44 No.15640843

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:44 No.15640843

>>15640806
They believe there are no positive rights. Negative rights would still exist.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:45 No.15640846

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:45 No.15640846

>>15639826
>that would be insufficient for me
in other words:
>i have the right to get whatever i want for free at taxpayer expense

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:45 No.15640852

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:45 No.15640852

Replies: >>15640945

>>15640806
>you don't have a right to infringe on my property rights to go to school
>ancaps hate all rights
this is what statists actually believe

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:45 No.15640857

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:45 No.15640857

Replies: >>15641110

>>15640764
That's not a lie. A lie is a false statement. They are merely depicting something, they are not stating it. A lie would be "Axe cure cancer, buy our product to cure cancer".

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:47 No.15640919

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:47 No.15640919

>>15640465
The only difference between a minarchist and an AnCap is 6 months.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:47 No.15640927

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:47 No.15640927

Replies: >>15640968 >>15640980

>>15640806
Where exactly did I say I'm an AnCap? And no, education is not a right because that means someone else is forced to be your slave. That said, it's clear that the vast majority of people want some kind of guaranteed minimum education. I'm suggesting a compromise better than the shit pile we have right now

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:48 No.15640945

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:48 No.15640945

Replies: >>15641082

>>15640852
>implying I'm a statist

All I did was point out that AnCap philosophy is completely sociopathic.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:49 No.15640968

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:49 No.15640968

Replies: >>15641071

>>15640927
>it's clear that the vast majority of people want some kind of guaranteed minimum education
Then that majority should pay for it and those who don't want to should be able to opt out.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:49 No.15640980

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:49 No.15640980

Replies: >>15641006

>>15640927
>paying taxes is slavery

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:50 No.15640991

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:50 No.15640991

Replies: >>15641040 >>15641166

>>15640796
>Implying property is more a "right" than education

Atleast be consistent if you are going to be a moran

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:50 No.15641006

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:50 No.15641006

Replies: >>15641136

>>15640980
True, but it is theft.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:50 No.15641019

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:50 No.15641019

Replies: >>15641111

>>15640697
>missing the point

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:51 No.15641040

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:51 No.15641040

>>15640991
Property rights != right to property

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:52 No.15641056

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:52 No.15641056

it is not part of a proper muslimah upbringing to infect her with the teachings of whores and western decadence.

embrace True islam. it is the future.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:52 No.15641071

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:52 No.15641071

>>15640968
We have no disagreement ideologically. However, what we believe ideologically must be married to what can be done practically. Vouchers would preserve market freedom, keep government control away and provide the education we all want. Sure it's tax funded and not perfect, but I'll take it.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:53 No.15641082

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:53 No.15641082

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>>15640945
but in doing so you missed the point that a positive and negative claim to rights are completely different. You literally went full retard and said ancaps don't think anybody has rights to try to point out that it was 'sociopathic' (when in reality state actions are sociopathic). How is it sociopathic to believe in voluntary and not forced exchange? To believe in property rights, self ownership?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:54 No.15641110

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:54 No.15641110

Replies: >>15641295

>>15640857
like how cereal boxes and fiber bars and "low fat" frankenfoods in the supermarket can say "heart healthy" on the package and get away with it despite the fact that said foods are terrible for your body?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:54 No.15641111

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:54 No.15641111

Replies: >>15641434

>>15641019
Your point relied on the idea of private courts, which would not exist.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:54 No.15641136

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:54 No.15641136

Replies: >>15641177 >>15641185 >>15641311

>>15641006

I choose to pay taxes. If I don't want to pay them, I can move.

Doesn't sound like theft to me.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:55 No.15641166

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:55 No.15641166

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>>15640991
If I have no self ownership (property of myself) then what is the point of trying to convince me to your point over the internet? I would have no right change my mind, as it's my property.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:55 No.15641177

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:55 No.15641177

>>15641136
Try not paying them and see what happens

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:56 No.15641185

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:56 No.15641185

Replies: >>15641270

>>15641136
So your argument is that because you're not having your money stolen, no one is?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:58 No.15641270

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:58 No.15641270

Replies: >>15641324 >>15641390

>>15641185

If you think your money is being stolen take the Government to court.

If you object to paying tax, simply leave. It's that simple. You're free to leave any time you like.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)13:59 No.15641295

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)13:59 No.15641295

Replies: >>15641359 >>15641412 >>15641422

>>15641110
Yes. Those are not straight up lies, they're just a kind of semantic, since they're using buzzwords that have little scientific meanings. If people don't inform themselves that's their problem. The nutrion facts on the back of the cereal is where you should be looking.
Of course, in a free market, people would pay for their own hospital bills, so they'd work harder to stay healthy.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:00 No.15641311

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:00 No.15641311

>>15641136
>If I don't want to pay them, I can move.
For now

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:00 No.15641324

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:00 No.15641324

>>15641270
I have tried, but the fact that the courts say my money isn't being stolen has no bearing on whether or not it actually is.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:01 No.15641359

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:01 No.15641359

Replies: >>15641509 >>15641575

>>15641295
>The nutrion facts on the back of the cereal is where you should be looking.
Those are completely useless too. Where you should be looking is the ingredients. Anything you can't pronounce and into the trash it goes.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:02 No.15641390

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:02 No.15641390

Replies: >>15641456 >>15641525 >>15641565 >>15641679

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>>15641270
It's simple, just go through a needlessly complicated emigration process (state claiming ownership of you) and uproot your whole livelihood. Simple

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:03 No.15641412

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:03 No.15641412

Replies: >>15641575

>>15641295
>Product advertisement makes a proclamation that is false
>well it's just their fault for being ignorant

Lol

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:03 No.15641417

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:03 No.15641417

>>15640460
Oh, don't get me wrong, I do agree with you there, definitely. Look at the dialogues of great philosophers for proof of that!

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:03 No.15641422

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:03 No.15641422

Replies: >>15641575

>>15641295
>The nutrion facts on the back of the cereal is where you should be looking.
the nutrition facts are incomplete and, for example, aren't legally obligated to include polyunsaturated fats (the most cancer-promoting and health deteriorating fats) but only for saturated fats which are falsely accused of being the worst for you when in fact they are healthy.
All this nutrition data is based on the food pyramid which is utter nonsense and promotes a shitty diet.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:04 No.15641434

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:04 No.15641434

Replies: >>15641490

>>15641111
Precisely.

Any private court would have to, through sheer necessity, become public courts.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:04 No.15641456

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:04 No.15641456

>>15641390

>just go through a needlessly complicated emigration process

Buy a boat...

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:05 No.15641475

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:05 No.15641475

kids time would be better spent going to private schools and working jobs and learning a trade. imagine how much more money they would have if they started working at 12 or 13.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:05 No.15641490

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:05 No.15641490

>>15641434
I highly doubt they'd come up in the first place.

But even if they did, what's your point? That doesn't go against ancap.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:06 No.15641509

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:06 No.15641509

>>15641359
>Anything you can't pronounce and into the trash it goes.

Why have I never thought of this before?

>this is 4chan, so it's obviously because I am a faggot

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:06 No.15641525

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:06 No.15641525

>>15641390

>hasn't got the balls to follow his convictions...

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:08 No.15641565

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:08 No.15641565

>>15641390

>just go through a needlessly complicated

Obviously, your objections to paying tax isn't that strong.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:08 No.15641575

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:08 No.15641575

>>15641359
That too

>>15641412
It's not "false" because it's debatable. "This contains nuts" when it contains no nuts is not "detable" which is why it would be false.

>>15641422
Then the problem is to have better nutritional data. This is moving pretty far from the original debate.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:12 No.15641679

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:12 No.15641679

Replies: >>15641697

>>15641390

If you think tax is immoral, why are you paying it?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:13 No.15641697

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:13 No.15641697

Replies: >>15641718

>>15641679
We get punished if we don't.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:13 No.15641718

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:13 No.15641718

Replies: >>15641742

>>15641697

Pussy.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:14 No.15641742

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:14 No.15641742

>>15641718
Ouch

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:16 No.15641781

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:16 No.15641781

One thing I have noticed is that people turn into total jews when they have to actually work for what they get.

So processed food would die because buying local produce is cheaper and growing your own is even more so. And it's easy to grow your own food these days with greenhouses.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:17 No.15641813

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:17 No.15641813

Replies: >>15641871 >>15642065 >>15642378 >>15642401 >>15642847

The usage of the term "right" in this case is dubious, but yes, in order to have a society you need to have educated people. In fact, I'd say that additional education is the solution to the majority of our problems nowadays. People are poverty-stricken largely due to the fact that they're just too dumb to participate in higher-order job markets, and their parents were too dumb to realize the value of education. In fact, it would not surprise me if the average black IQ in America were to be a bit lower than that of the average Caucasian American IQ, as black people were denied education almost entirely for a number of centuries. The answer to the problem of widespread poverty nowadays lies in education, it would seem to me. You guys are always complaining about "dumb, useless niggers". To me it is quite obvious the solution lies in the increased proliferation, quality, and advocacy of education. Given the fact that the job market is so tight nowadays for those who have degrees in abstracted subjects - even PhDs - I think it's obvious that the choice would be to fill up our elementary and high schools with those PhDs who are, though competent and intelligent, simply unable to find a job, or overworked with a thousand and one non-tenured odd jobs at a hundred and one universities. It's ridiculous to me that people think it's okay that someone can teach algebra even half way competently without actually having their higher education devoted to math. Sure, they might be smart enough to understand it, but I would think that experts would be the most apt to assume pedagogical positions. So by increasing the potency and proliferation of education, we'd better the conditions of those in poverty while providing hard working, intelligent, but unfortunate people with jobs.
(cont.)

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:20 No.15641871

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:20 No.15641871

Replies: >>15641936

>>15641813
In before the flood of "OMG STATIST", "MUH FREEDOMS"

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:20 No.15641891

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:20 No.15641891

Replies: >>15641972

On a mildly related note, you are now aware that the Constitution says nothing at all about the right to free inquiry or research. It would be entirely legal for the government to restrict and regulate what fields are permissible to conduct new research in. It could probably even suppress the general populace's access to already-existing knowledge without necessarily infringing free speech.

Americans, enjoy your young earth creationism, historical revision, gutting of medical research, and restrictions on private weather data collection once you elect a party that's truly socially conservative.

Level 59 Zionist Jesuit Apolog(...) !mU3s3QPOmE
06/16/13(Sun)14:22 No.15641936

Level 59 Zionist Jesuit Apologist, Lord of the Dongles !mU3s3QPOmE 06/16/13(Sun)14:22 No.15641936

Replies: >>15641998 >>15642129

>>15641871
> If you don't think that the state should provide it, then you must not want it at all
Socialist detected

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:24 No.15641972

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:24 No.15641972

Replies: >>15642056

>>15641891
Jesus Christ how horrifying

Oh wait, we're on /pol/. That must be paradise on earth for most people here,

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:25 No.15641998

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:25 No.15641998

>>15641936

>socialist

Er... wut?

Level 59 Zionist Jesuit Apolog(...) !mU3s3QPOmE
06/16/13(Sun)14:26 No.15642056

Level 59 Zionist Jesuit Apologist, Lord of the Dongles !mU3s3QPOmE 06/16/13(Sun)14:26 No.15642056

>>15641972
I'm an anarchist, so this thread is mildly amusing to me.
The fact that many people don't realize that libertarians are also statists is astounding, and only further alienates the libertarians from the statists, thereby producing more anarchists.
Keep up the good work, OP.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:27 No.15642065

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:27 No.15642065

>>15641813
Someone who needs more people in their area of work can go find and train people to work there.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:27 No.15642076

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:27 No.15642076

Making something free is the fastest way to destroy its value.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:27 No.15642095

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:27 No.15642095

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>god-fearing

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:28 No.15642111

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:28 No.15642111

Replies: >>15642128

>Free education
>Free

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:29 No.15642128

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:29 No.15642128

Replies: >>15642171 >>15642201

>>15642111

>doesn't understand the term "free at the point of use".

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:29 No.15642129

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:29 No.15642129

Replies: >>15642152

>>15641936
>shitposting tripfaggot intentionally misconstruing my post so he can feel cool and call me a statist

I'll also just clarify that being a tripfaggot doesn't automatically make one a shitposter, I just wanted you to know that you, personally, consistently post shit and contribute nothing to this board and have an incredibly stupid and obnoxiously annoying trip. Good day.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:29 No.15642130

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:29 No.15642130

There is no "right to education. You always must earn what you learn.

If you can't solve a problem, that is because you are a failure that cannot adapt.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:29 No.15642152

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:29 No.15642152

Replies: >>15642271

>>15642129

Well, it's a fact libertarians are Statists.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:30 No.15642171

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:30 No.15642171

Replies: >>15642241

>>15642128

What are taxes.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:30 No.15642176

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:30 No.15642176

Replies: >>15642272

kids time would be better spent going into work with his dad and learning from him. apprenticeships need to come back

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:30 No.15642179

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:30 No.15642179

>>15639014 (OP)
>what do you think about the right to education?
Sure, stick that sign in the hands of an young, innocent-looking girl, and go on pretending that you won't have to use FORCE to take away someone else's FREE WILL in order to teach her for free, since it's her "right".

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:31 No.15642201

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:31 No.15642201

Replies: >>15642324

>>15642128

......but it's still not free. Someone is footing the bill. And it's you.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:31 No.15642216

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:31 No.15642216

up until high school.

After that, out the fucking door you go.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:32 No.15642241

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:32 No.15642241

>>15642171

>still doesn't understand the term "free at the point of use".

Chuckle.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:33 No.15642270

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:33 No.15642270

Replies: >>15642392

>>15639276
This

they have every right to learning things like maths, sufficiently proven science and physics, but not the hoo hah they teach them today.

Take for example biology. There is no mention of racial/gender IQ differences. There clearly are too large differences here, especially given that two races are more genetically different than two species of lions. Yes I saw that pic floating around here too.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:33 No.15642271

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:33 No.15642271

Replies: >>15642344

>>15642152
>someone in favor of a state is a statist

The sky is also blue.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:33 No.15642272

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:33 No.15642272

Replies: >>15642496

>>15642176
How do we manage the transition state where a line of work is becoming obsolete and more people are needed in emerging fields?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:34 No.15642301

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:34 No.15642301

>>15639014 (OP)
no. there is no right to education, nor should there be.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:34 No.15642303

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:34 No.15642303

If education could possibly bring political issues to the forefront of peoples minds, i'm for it. If we had a generation of proactive people who have read books like 1984 and understand the issues with surveillance, maybe the NSA wouldn't be shitting all over us quite so badly.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:35 No.15642324

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:35 No.15642324

Replies: >>15642376

>>15642201

You are very confused.

When something is "free at the point of use" the end user doesn't pay for it directly.

This is why it is described as "free".

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:35 No.15642331

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:35 No.15642331

>>15639974
sociology has possible increased those actually. Particularly the 'family crisis' bit as people have to work harder and earn less.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:36 No.15642344

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:36 No.15642344

>>15642271

Not at night.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:37 No.15642373

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:37 No.15642373

Replies: >>15642460 >>15642469 >>15645069

>>15640460
total bullshit.

Kids screw around and do nothing if they aren't pressured.
Why do you think asian kids do so well?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:37 No.15642376

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:37 No.15642376

Replies: >>15642458

>>15642324

It still comes out of your wallet.

And that money is used to fund your "free" education.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:37 No.15642378

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:37 No.15642378

Replies: >>15642491

>>15641813
>In fact, it would not surprise me if the average black IQ in America were to be a bit lower than that of the average Caucasian American IQ, as black people were denied education almost entirely for a number of centuries.
it is 15 points lower and this is caused mostly by the genetic predispositions of the negro as opposed to "culture" or "education" as "culture" doesn't affect IQ and the gap remains large and significant despite "education" controls as well.

http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:37 No.15642392

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:37 No.15642392

Replies: >>15642517

>>15642270
>science justifies my prejudice
stormfront pls

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:38 No.15642401

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:38 No.15642401

>>15641813

Although I'm confident in the effectiveness of the societal actions I've recommended, I believe they are ultimately temporary solutions. Ultimately I think that, given the growing population and shrinking resources, education in those subjects that are arguably the most important - i.e. history, philosophy (especially ethics), political science, and other rather abstract subjects - must be restricted to the elite few who are intelligent enough to bring these disciplines to their full fruition - with a newly educated populace, so many of them will want to become philosophical and mathematical geniuses that the job market for the educated may actually worsen, despite the newly opened elementary and high school positions. Hence, during the formative years it ought to be determined by a local committee of the finest pedagogues which child should pursue which area of discipline. If a child is shown to lack verbal and mathematical intelligence but excel in spatial calculation, then they ought to become a construction worker or, if they are not so good with their hands, perhaps and architect. On the other hand, if a child is asocial and not good with words and yet competent in math, then he or she might be chosen to become and engineer, or, if he or she is truly gifted, might begin the practice of that most coveted tradition of pure mathematics. The child's ability would also determine the extent to which they are educated - if a boy can, at the age of nine, understand Einsteinian relativity, then it ought to be clear to the committee of pedagogues that he should be shown the very heights of physics and mathematics. If, however, a child is shown merely to have a penchant for math but a passion for video games, there isn't any reason to overeducate him - he will never have the will to become great.
>implying you can deny the thoroughly reasonable and moderate proposals I have set forth

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:39 No.15642436

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:39 No.15642436

a free society relies on high quality education for everyone
I think this would best happen through decent education until eighth grade, and then apprenticeships until university age, but most people wouldn't support this

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:39 No.15642442

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:39 No.15642442

>>15639500
your great-great grandparents used those in the past. Nothing wrong there. They simply cannot afford better access, but as productivity increases with education, they may be asphalt some day.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:40 No.15642458

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:40 No.15642458

Replies: >>15642612

>>15642376

If you don't pay for a product or service it is free.

In the case of education, or health care in my country, it is "free at the point of use" for the service users. This is why it is called a "free" service.

What bit of this don't you understand?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:40 No.15642460

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:40 No.15642460

Replies: >>15642533 >>15642609

>>15642373
They succeed so much, they're even number 1 at suicide!

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:40 No.15642469

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:40 No.15642469

Replies: >>15642609

>>15642373
>Kids screw around and do nothing if they aren't pressured.
Not every kid has autism. We just need to get rid unproductive things that draw their attention.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:40 No.15642491

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:40 No.15642491

Replies: >>15642560 >>15642735

>>15642378

Do you even epigenetics? If a group of people is denied education for close to have a millennium, you had better believe that this will have an impact on the capability of their descendants for many, many generations to come. To me this is common sense. Now, whether this sort of demographically motivated statistic is even useful, is, I think an obvious negative answer, but that's neither here nor there.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:41 No.15642496

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:41 No.15642496

>>15642272
"we" don't, whoever's product is inferior has to create a new product or find another job

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:42 No.15642517

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:42 No.15642517

>>15642392
nope.

I don't consider IQ difference as a principle to uphold prejudice. I believe no matter what you are human and that we should fix the difference, not ignore it.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:42 No.15642533

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:42 No.15642533

Replies: >>15642697

>>15642460
Suicide is actually really disconnected from social pressure. Cloudy weather has more impact on it.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:43 No.15642560

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:43 No.15642560

Replies: >>15642589

>>15642491
Epigenitics does not work that way, kill yourself

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:43 No.15642561

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:43 No.15642561

>>15639826
Some of the most intelligent people i know have been homeschooled.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:44 No.15642578

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:44 No.15642578

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>>15639014 (OP)
I am a godless liberal and nobody really has any rights ever. The only thing that we say gives us rights is a piece of paper. It is an important one but it can be suspended.
>Lincoln and Maryland
>Japanese Internment camps
u mad bro?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:44 No.15642589

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:44 No.15642589

Replies: >>15642625

>>15642560

Then enlighten me, how does it work? I hardly think ignorance in a subject in which you've had no formal education is hardly a reason to kill yourself, so I'll pass on that.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:44 No.15642601

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:44 No.15642601

>>15640265
If you are swayed by advertisements you deserve to be ripped off.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:45 No.15642609

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:45 No.15642609

>>15642460
>they're even number 1 at suicide!

rather that than death from poverty from not getting a job.

>>15642469
>We just need to get rid unproductive things that draw their attention.
I hate people like you. You think getting rid of problems will fix this? I think it will restrict their freedom in the long run.
They must be pressured... not restricted.

An emotional, not physical restraint in the sense yes.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:45 No.15642612

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:45 No.15642612

Replies: >>15643723

>>15642458

You're failing to understand.

The one thing making that possible is my tax money. That's it.

If people did not pay their taxes, what do you think would happen to those "free" services?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:45 No.15642625

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:45 No.15642625

>>15642589

One too many "hardly"s in there; get rid of the first one. Sorry, I had like four hours of sleep last night.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:46 No.15642640

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:46 No.15642640

>>15640764
If you believe that you will be drown with pussy if you wear axe then you are an idiot. I don't care about idiots.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:48 No.15642697

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:48 No.15642697

Replies: >>15642747

>>15642533
So you're telling me Japan just has too many rainy days?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:49 No.15642735

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:49 No.15642735

>>15642491
why are you libtards so determined that "education" only equates to state-sponsored indoctrination. education is simply learning, and you don't need to go to school to be educated or intelligent. an individual may not have spent his time learning to read and write but instead spent his entire life learning how to fish, hunt, swim, etc - humans are in a constant state of learning and "intelligence" (inb4 semantic debate on the meaning of the word intelligence) as measured by IQ scores (also called "g") is highly heritable at 70-80% of the variation between two individuals in America being a result of genetic differences as opposed to environment.

there is no evidence whatsoever that the low IQ of Blacks is due to "oppression" or "lack of education" and a preponderance of evidence that it is in fact due to weaker selective pressures in their evolutionary history for high intelligence, just like there were less selective pressures for light skin.

more info here: http://www.mediafire.com/view/g0n42xxwhhh6qd8/100_Facts.pdf

Level 59 Zionist Jesuit Apolog(...) !mU3s3QPOmE
06/16/13(Sun)14:49 No.15642747

Level 59 Zionist Jesuit Apologist, Lord of the Dongles !mU3s3QPOmE 06/16/13(Sun)14:49 No.15642747

>>15642697
If that's it, then why aren't people in Seattle killing themselves over spilled milk?

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:52 No.15642847

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:52 No.15642847

>>15641813
..youre an idiot

everything you just said is based on the mistaken thought of there being a lack of education and people not being smart

theres not enough 4 year college degree jobs to go around let alone adding more people to the market wouldnt be a solution but a saturation

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)14:55 No.15642928

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)14:55 No.15642928

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>>15639014 (OP)
It should be a privilage. Too many people in Fatclapistan take it for granted. It would weed out all of the slobs bound for NEETness and possibly restore this country to something better.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)15:03 No.15643185

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)15:03 No.15643185

>>15642928
>dat pic
>ahh freedom

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)15:05 No.15643253

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)15:05 No.15643253

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>>15642928

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)15:20 No.15643723

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)15:20 No.15643723

Replies: >>15644326

>>15642612

If you go into the doctors and he gives you some pills for an ailment, and you don't pay anything for them, would you consider those pills free, for you personally?

This is what "free at the point of use" means.

If you don't understand this concept I can try and give you a simpler example.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)15:37 No.15644326

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)15:37 No.15644326

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>>15643723
I would only consider it "Free" if I didn't pay taxes that went into a medical care system that provided it or I didn't have a private insurance plan that covered the costs for me.

But I guess the meal I just ate was "Free" because I didn't pay for the steak, potatoes and butter at the point in which I decided to use it, but a week ago went i went grocery shopping.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)15:58 No.15645069

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)15:58 No.15645069

>>15642373
Genetics

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)16:03 No.15645310

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)16:03 No.15645310

>>15644326

>But I guess the meal I just ate was "Free" because I didn't pay for the steak, potatoes and butter at the point in which I decided to use it

No, you paid for the steak directly. If you didn't have any money, you would not have any steak.

If you didn't have money for education, you still get the education. It is "free at the point of use". It is free for you, personally.

If you're still having difficulty understanding this, I'll try and make it even simpler.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)16:08 No.15645473

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)16:08 No.15645473

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>>15644326
By free education he means that it is indirectly free. You are not denied of you cannot pay.
However you're right in saying that you're paying for it with your tax dollars. However it is still free by the fact that if you live off the government you can still claim medical expenses, education etc.

Anonymous
06/16/13(Sun)16:09 No.15645520

Anonymous 06/16/13(Sun)16:09 No.15645520

>>15645473

Education is simply "free at the point of use".

You don't need any money to access the service.

Simple.