Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:03 No.12826183

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:03 No.12826183

Replies: >>12826213 >>12826243 >>12826449 >>12826493 >>12826606 >>12827090 >>12827108

>Forcing people to go murder complete strangers in other peoples' countries for corrupt politicians and corporate interests

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:05 No.12826213

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:05 No.12826213

>>12826183

Military service as in rigorous military training in your own contry.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:06 No.12826243

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:06 No.12826243

>>12826183
As far as I know only Israel does that out of the countries that have conscription. Mostly it's armies that don't have conscription that go around murdering people in foreign lands for corporate interests and corrupt politicians.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:10 No.12826336

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:10 No.12826336

>>12826132 (OP)
Where are you from?

ryesta7971 !!eLlkEQUMVKd
04/18/13(Thu)08:11 No.12826374

ryesta7971 !!eLlkEQUMVKd 04/18/13(Thu)08:11 No.12826374

Replies: >>12827090

OP is a funny guy

he should be a comedian

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:11 No.12826379

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:11 No.12826379

Replies: >>12826526

I think you should be forced to wait tables or be a janitor from 16 to 18, 18 to 21 should be unarmed security work.

It would have about the same effect and we wouldn't have to kill foreigners.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:12 No.12826382

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:12 No.12826382

its expensive and useless for most countries

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:14 No.12826449

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:14 No.12826449

Replies: >>12826481 >>12829390 >>12829628

>>12826183
Fucking this.
I miss the days when, you know, they fought for our freedom, and not oil.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:15 No.12826480

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:15 No.12826480

>>12826132 (OP)
Military OR national service should be mandatory.

The US found it does better with a volunteer military, so when they go to war, it's mostly people who want to fight.

Smaller countries may feel differently.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:15 No.12826481

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:15 No.12826481

>>12826449

>implying you lived in those days.

Can't miss something you never had.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:16 No.12826493

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:16 No.12826493

Replies: >>12826515 >>12826606 >>12826984

>>12826183

Military service being mandatory =/= Fighting in wars, it just means you serve in the military and do the training for a set amount of years, it was the norm until post WW2

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:16 No.12826515

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:16 No.12826515

>>12826493
this

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:17 No.12826526

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:17 No.12826526

>>12826379
I worked as a janitor from 13-28 I'm the hardest person I know. Not even bullshitting.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:17 No.12826539

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:17 No.12826539

>>12826132 (OP)
Finland?

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:19 No.12826605

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:19 No.12826605

But then no one in America would feel like a special snowflake living off military welfare

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:19 No.12826606

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:19 No.12826606

Replies: >>12826652

>>12826493
>>12826183
Both make valid points.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:21 No.12826652

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:21 No.12826652

Replies: >>12827636

>>12826606

One assumes you are sent to war while other states facts, how do both make valid points?

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:21 No.12826662

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:21 No.12826662

>>12826132 (OP)
It depends.

On countries like South Korea and Israel it's obvious it should, since they live with the threat of war every single day.

But on countries with no threat of war whatsoever there's no point in mandatory military service. Which doesn't mean that no one should join the army. I believe an army is the most effective way to inspire patriotism on the people, even on peace countries.

I come from a country that hate its military because some faggots that were involved in bullshit that happened 50+ years ago are more than 20 years in the power and are doing their best to make the people hate the army and any kind of militaristic authority, even cops.

This kind of shit results in less and less patriotism here and most people don't even think about military service or any kind of "patriotic" job

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:21 No.12826668

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:21 No.12826668

Replies: >>12826800 >>12826819 >>12827305

Conscript armies are always shit tier compared to professional ones and tend to surrender much more often so fuck that.

Why the military? Why not some sort of civil service that involves rigorous physical and mental training combined with civic duties such as cleaning/policing etc

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:21 No.12826672

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:21 No.12826672

I'd have loved it. The only thing keeping me out of the military was the 4 year commitment. seemed like forever at that age. one or two years I'd have jumped at. Ofcourse being stuck 24/7 with just anybody who doesn't want to be there would suck the bag. Conscription that's easily opted out of would be great.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:22 No.12826702

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:22 No.12826702

Replies: >>12826791

Mandatory national service.

Civil option for lol hippies - go work in hospitals and shit.

No deployment to combat zones for national service kids, they can however elect to be in an actual regular unit if they wish.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:24 No.12826755

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:24 No.12826755

>>12826132 (OP)

nothing should be mandatory

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:24 No.12826763

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:24 No.12826763

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>Yes goyim military service is stupid, make your male children learn how to fear women and gays instead

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:25 No.12826791

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:25 No.12826791

Replies: >>12828101

>>12826702

Absolutely no conscripted health care.

Not for me anyways, I'm not trusting someone who doesn't even want to be there with my health.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:25 No.12826800

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:25 No.12826800

Replies: >>12826831

>>12826668

The military is more than just guns, you can become a cook, an electrician, a plumber, etc etc

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:26 No.12826819

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:26 No.12826819

>>12826668
>Conscript armies are always shit tier compared to professional ones and tend to surrender much more often so fuck that.

Not entirely accurate. Germany had a conscript army for both world wars and damn near beat the world.

Conscription does, by its very nature, sweep in the shitbaskets along with the quality men, however. You're right about that.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:26 No.12826831

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:26 No.12826831

>>12826800
if you're faggot, maybe

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:27 No.12826850

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:27 No.12826850

Replies: >>12826937

>>12826132 (OP)

Yes I'm sure all that military personal is just dying to meet completely unmotivated kids to be stuck with.

You're really doing the army a favor.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:29 No.12826933

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:29 No.12826933

Replies: >>12826996

>mandatory service
>in the US

Kind of goes against the whole self-determination thing

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:29 No.12826935

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:29 No.12826935

Replies: >>12827404

Finnfag here. Army is not mandatory here, but it gets you some perks aside from pussy. Easier to get hired, or continue education, plus government pays your bills while you are serving. And respect of course, but that goes without saying.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:29 No.12826937

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:29 No.12826937

Replies: >>12827052

>>12826850

Army will motivate them and get them in shape, as well as teaching them trade skills if they wish and discipline, instilling masculinity back into society is something that is needed

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:29 No.12826939

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:29 No.12826939

Military training should be mandatory. Military service should be optional.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:29 No.12826947

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:29 No.12826947

Yes it should.

Atleast the 3 months General Instructions and boot camp.

Everyman should make the experiences there because it changes a man.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:30 No.12826978

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:30 No.12826978

Replies: >>12827090

Join the military, sit in a trench for four years and get blown up by IEDs.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:31 No.12826984

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:31 No.12826984

>>12826493
At the very least, it would be requirement for any higher positions of political office.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:31 No.12826991

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:31 No.12826991

Replies: >>12827090

>>12826132 (OP)
>Should fighting fake wars for banks and jews be mandatory?

Yeah, sounds great.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:31 No.12826996

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:31 No.12826996

Replies: >>12827050 >>12827177

>>12826933

Selective service is still in effect in America and can be enacted at any time

The Selective Service System is authorized by the Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution which says Congress "shall have Power To ... raise and support Armies [and] To provide and maintain a Navy;" The Selective Service Act was the law which established the Selective Service System under these provisions.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:32 No.12827016

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:32 No.12827016

>>12826132 (OP)
>Should military service be mandatory?
Yes, but not for me personally.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:33 No.12827038

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:33 No.12827038

On the one hand I feel as though everyone should have to do a mandatory term of military/national service.

On the other, I would not have wanted to serve with unwilling conscripts. Perhaps having some manner of separating volunteers and those who are forced into it would work.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:33 No.12827050

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:33 No.12827050

Replies: >>12827133

>>12826996

A lot of shit is on the books that's never coming back or being enforced. Hell I never even registered for it and there's been zero problems

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:33 No.12827052

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:33 No.12827052

Replies: >>12827133

>>12826937
>implying it does

From what I've seen it just trains thugs and retards how to use military-grade weaponry.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:33 No.12827068

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:33 No.12827068

Replies: >>12827177

>>12826132 (OP)
"If a country can't save itself through the volunteer service of its own free people, then I say : Let the damned thing go down the drain!"

-Based Heinlein

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:34 No.12827090

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:34 No.12827090

Replies: >>12827229 >>12827258

>>12826183
>>12826374
>>12826978
>>12826991


ITT: Idiots

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:34 No.12827106

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:34 No.12827106

I'll stick with the freedom to do as I please. Canada here I come otherwise.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:34 No.12827108

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:34 No.12827108

Replies: >>12827258

>>12826183
Are you a fucking idiot?

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:35 No.12827117

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:35 No.12827117

Considering the rampant obesity in the US I believe it wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:35 No.12827133

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:35 No.12827133

Replies: >>12827216 >>12827227

>>12827050

Okay then, you think that when the next major war breaks out

>>12827052

That's because spics join the army for citizenship and niggers go there instead of prison, having military service would stop this

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:36 No.12827153

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:36 No.12827153

Replies: >>12827186

>Lets pay more money to the millitary with no actual benefit

Mandatory Civil Service. That would be much more useful. When you've head to assist police officers in a double homicide, aid nurses in keeping a pregnant woman from bleeding to death and cleaned up all the trash and shit from the streets before heading back for some more PTing and studies you're going to damn well respect and get involved in society.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:36 No.12827177

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:36 No.12827177

Replies: >>12827907

>>12827068

See >>12826996

Ironically the founding fathers of America thought conscription was a great idea and put it into the constitution

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:36 No.12827183

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:36 No.12827183

>>12826132 (OP)
I always thought /pol/ was mostly Libertarian. Doesn't military/national service go against that? I don't fancy the idea of the government having the power to lock up anyone that doesn't want to wear a uniform..

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:36 No.12827186

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:36 No.12827186

>>12827153

had to assist*

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:36 No.12827191

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:36 No.12827191

Depends on the size of your country. If you made military service in the US mandatory. Our already bloated defense budget would fucking skyrocket 10 fold. Plus nevermind veteran benefit costs. 5 years of service = lifetime of fucking welfare.

No thanks

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:37 No.12827216

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:37 No.12827216

Replies: >>12827292 >>12827618

>>12827133
Having military service would guarantee they end up there. What's the stop a man from picking up army skills and going back to being a gangbanger? Only now with military training?

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:37 No.12827221

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:37 No.12827221

I think military training in lieu of sophomore and senior year should be mandatory. Our country has gotten too pudgy, soft and weak. They have no morals, values and self control. Just imagine the next generation after them. A lazy socialist fatass on welfare raising a child....

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:38 No.12827227

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:38 No.12827227

>>12827133

By the time that happens I'll be well outside the age range, and if not I'll just dodge like everyone else. Serving your country really isn't something most people give a fuck about these days.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:38 No.12827229

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:38 No.12827229

>>12827090
>he thinks most modern wars aren't a result of corporate/jew interests

lol you are awesome. If I had a country I would want 100,000,000 of you to be the exploited, retarded, ultra-patriotic underclass.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:38 No.12827239

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:38 No.12827239

Replies: >>12827293

>>12826132 (OP)
I'm not the governments property, so no.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:39 No.12827258

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:39 No.12827258

Replies: >>12827320 >>12827465

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>>12827108
>>12827090

The samefag is strong with this one.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:39 No.12827292

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:39 No.12827292

>>12827216

Because you can have a more rigorous exemption process and not allow these people into the army, some people will continue to serve after National Service so you won't have to recruit the dregs of society

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:39 No.12827293

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:39 No.12827293

Replies: >>12827333

>>12827239
Then hand in your citizenship.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:40 No.12827305

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:40 No.12827305

>>12826668
>Conscript armies are always shit tier compared to professional ones and tend to surrender much more often so fuck that.

Only badly trained conscript armies. Pre world war 2 and even post world war two conscription was mandatory in some countries for up to 3 years (including germany pre WW 2). Especially for smaller countries that could not maintain a large standing army.

And most wars were fought with conscript armies, romans had conscript armies and the fact they abolished them and rather hired germanic barbarian tribes was one of the reasons for the downfall of rome.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:40 No.12827309

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:40 No.12827309

In my country, Denmark, there's mandatory service for 8 months. Since we don't have the right to carry arms, it's essential for our democracy that a large group of the people are able to at least use guns efficiently.
Also it would be useful when the happening comes.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:40 No.12827320

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:40 No.12827320

Replies: >>12827375 >>12827588

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>>12827258

Why are you even on 4chan if you don't know how to check for samefag?

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:41 No.12827333

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:41 No.12827333

Replies: >>12827364 >>12827389

>>12827293
Oh go fuck yourself, LOL pathetic arguement right here. I don't owe you, the government or society shit, I pay taxes and obey the laws, fuck off.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:41 No.12827357

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:41 No.12827357

Replies: >>12827808

Germany had a rather nice system, after high school every able bodied male had to do either military service (Basic training and some months of service in a unit fitting to their skills) or alternate civil service (mainly healthcare and tending to old/disabled people).
But then people cried too much and it was abolished a few years ago. A shame

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:42 No.12827364

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:42 No.12827364

Replies: >>12827399

>>12827333

...then hand in your citizenship on your way out of the country then bro.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:42 No.12827375

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:42 No.12827375

Replies: >>12827442 >>12827588

>>12827320
>implying it isn't easy to change IP

Calm down killer, your mad is showing.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:42 No.12827376

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:42 No.12827376

Replies: >>12827426

We've already got enough shit being forced on us at gunpoint without throwing this on top of it

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:42 No.12827389

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:42 No.12827389

Replies: >>12827449

>>12827333
Good to know you are an honorable man who wants the best for his country and would do anything to ensure that.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:42 No.12827391

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:42 No.12827391

>Military service
>Military service
>Military service
>Military service

What an absolute waste of fucking time and money that is. Civil service should be manditory.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:43 No.12827399

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:43 No.12827399

Replies: >>12827417 >>12827434

>>12827364
Derp derp derp I can't say anything else Derp. 03/10 troll attempt. Have a good day, sir!

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:43 No.12827404

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:43 No.12827404

Replies: >>12827446

>>12826935
Another finnfag here. It's not absolutely "mandatory" but you forgot to mention that if you don't go, you'll have to do a year of civil service or go to prison. Unless you're too unfit for service or a Jehova.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:43 No.12827417

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:43 No.12827417

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>>12827399

>Implying we're the same person

Gonna need those papers back boss.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:44 No.12827426

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:44 No.12827426

Replies: >>12827495

>>12827376
Like what?

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:44 No.12827434

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:44 No.12827434

>>12827399
Why are you even here?

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:44 No.12827442

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:44 No.12827442

>>12827375

>Implying I would change my IP just to samefag in a 4chan thread

Woah nelly you aren't very smart are you..

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:44 No.12827446

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:44 No.12827446

Replies: >>12827519

>>12827404
>Jehova
Do you mean Jehovahs Witnesses by any chance?

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:44 No.12827449

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:44 No.12827449

Replies: >>12827492

>>12827389
Yup, I take care of my family, not fight for some corrupt government

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:45 No.12827465

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:45 No.12827465

Replies: >>12827588

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>>12827258
>can not check for same fags
>accuses of samefagging anyway

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:45 No.12827470

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:45 No.12827470

Nope. Muh freedom. Signed, vetfag

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:45 No.12827486

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:45 No.12827486

Replies: >>12827598 >>12830221

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Should joining the brotherhood be mandatory?

In my country surviving the tiberium fields is something like a rite of passage into manhood, it's a big event for the family. Now the GDI are pushing for removal of the brotherhood in order to bring in pussified generations.

Should joining the brotherhood be mandatory?

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:46 No.12827492

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:46 No.12827492

>>12827449
Have you read anything in this thread. The professional army fights, and the conscripts train and act as a reserve.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:46 No.12827495

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:46 No.12827495

>>12827426

Mostly taxes, they can charge whatever and you can either pay or go to jail. Other stuff too but that's the biggie

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:46 No.12827518

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:46 No.12827518

Funny thing most people have serious reservations about mandatory conscription but have no problem whatsoever with compulsory public education.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:46 No.12827519

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:46 No.12827519

Replies: >>12827691

>>12827446
Yes. They are exempt from conscription alongside women.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:48 No.12827588

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:48 No.12827588

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>>12827375

see >>12827320 and >>12827465


Confirmed for stupid.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:49 No.12827598

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:49 No.12827598

>>12827486

>Forcing people to go murder GDI in other peoples' countries for corrupt religions and Kane

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:49 No.12827618

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:49 No.12827618

>>12827216
There have already been instances of this.
Cops hate dealing with prior military because the policemans training does not work well against the militarys training
Cops are trained to fall back, seek covery, wait for back and "turtle until they establish a position of supremacy.
Military Is trained to be aggressive and continuously push forward toward the enemy, never allowing them to establish such a position.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:50 No.12827636

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:50 No.12827636

>>12826652
Because while wars are corrupt by their very existence, a little military training might shape up the next generation down the line.

It doesn't mean we send them to war, but it also, through discipline, we may adapt a mentality to not have a war to fight in the first place.

But this is me placing far, far too much faith in humanity of course.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:52 No.12827691

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:52 No.12827691

Replies: >>12827951

>>12827519
And that's why I'm against mandatory service.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:52 No.12827709

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:52 No.12827709

Replies: >>12828322

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Finnfag here.

Mandatory military service is pretty much a must for us, as a professional army would be much smaller in size, even though more efficient.

Defending an entire border requires a lot of people behind guns, not just a few extremely well trained hands holding those guns.

Besides, it would not be cost efficient for our country.

We need a big reserve army, in case the some dipshit goes poking the sleeping bear and we have to rape their ass Winter War style again.

Of course people always say that Finland has no hope to match Russia, but its not about winning, its about making it harder for them.

A stupid analogy what I like to use is a hedgehog. they have spikes to deter predators, even though a predator could easily tear through them. Its just not nice getting stung, so they leave hedgehogs alone.


Besides, I really liked going to the army. I was for a full year and served as a corporal and a squad leader.

Best year of my life.

362 OHI ON!

(pic related, mfw going to the army)

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:54 No.12827767

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:54 No.12827767

Replies: >>12827817

I have norse god length hair, not cutting it for anyone

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:56 No.12827808

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:56 No.12827808

Replies: >>12827847 >>12827881 >>12829818

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>>12827357
>system forces men to waste 1 year in the military or wiping old landwhales' asses
>women equivalent doesn't exist, they can start into life 1 year earlier in addition to being advantaged in a female-centric education system
>it gets abolished
>"OH WHAT A SHAME"

You goddamn branch of "muh-1950s-manliness conservatives" make me sick.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:56 No.12827817

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:56 No.12827817

Replies: >>12827941 >>12828118

>>12827767
Do chicks in the army have to cut their hair?

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:57 No.12827847

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:57 No.12827847

Replies: >>12827915

>>12827808
Out of this board, now!

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:58 No.12827869

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:58 No.12827869

Replies: >>12827985

>becoming a tool for the corrupt elite of your "country"
>rite of passage into manhood

yeah right

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:58 No.12827881

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:58 No.12827881

Replies: >>12827915

>>12827808
>wasting your life for 1 year by getting physically fit, mentally strong, building bonds of fellowship and learning how to defend yourself and your country if the worst comes around

You are the death of the human race, get the fuck off this board child.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:59 No.12827907

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:59 No.12827907

>>12827177
i love the constitution and the founding fathers, but they aren't perfect.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)08:59 No.12827915

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)08:59 No.12827915

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>>12827847
>>12827881

Hypocrites gonna hypocrite

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:00 No.12827941

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:00 No.12827941

Replies: >>12828008

>>12827817
Yes,

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:00 No.12827951

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:00 No.12827951

Replies: >>12827994

>>12827691
So if some marginal circlejerking cluster of jesusfags get privileges, that's grounds for completely abolishing mandatory service because it's not fair or something and we shouldn't instead remove their privileges. How the fuck do you think that?

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:01 No.12827985

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:01 No.12827985

>>12827869

If the elite wants you to go die in a war you're going one way or the other, it's better to be prepared, stop being a fucking hippie feminized shit.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:01 No.12827994

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:01 No.12827994

Replies: >>12828249

>>12827951
Not so much the religious side (though that's bullshit), but the fact that women are always exempt.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:02 No.12828008

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:02 No.12828008

Replies: >>12828029

>>12827941
They better be bald.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:02 No.12828029

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:02 No.12828029

Replies: >>12828077

>>12828008
Nope. Because muh social trauma.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:03 No.12828060

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:03 No.12828060

>>12826132 (OP)
Fuck, no.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:04 No.12828077

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:04 No.12828077

>>12828029
Dammit.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:05 No.12828100

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:05 No.12828100

ITT JIDF
>yes goyim fight for israel!

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:05 No.12828101

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:05 No.12828101

Replies: >>12828188

>>12826791
This was proposed in Norway not long ago, and was shot down. For good reason.
The military can be strict, it's half the point of the military, you have no choice but to conform to the rules of the military to a certain degree.
The same could not be expected in conscripted healthcare where you wouldn't be toughened.
First of all, it'd be mostly women, and with today's feminism that would ensure the whole system would be a pile of cuddly feely shit.
What's more though, is that the profession in itself doesn't exactly scream "Strict regiment and 200 pushups for insubordination!", you can't expect such a thing in a system that is based on caring and nurturing.
You could of course have "health care training grounds" where half the training was physically exchaustive like in the military, in fact this would probably bring forth a new social paradigm where girls are introduced to a more physical world instead of expecting to be carried through life.
But finally, the lack of expertize present in the conscripts would doom the whole thing in itself, as it is "volunteers" are more bother than help for health workers because they don't know anything, are lazy, don't want to handle mentally challenged people, anything gross, or what have you.

It's just not doable, but damnit I would have loved half a year's mandatory service where you were forced into a physically and mentally challenging world.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:05 No.12828107

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:05 No.12828107

Replies: >>12828158 >>12828174

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>People in the armed services don't want it because they don't like the idea of babysitting a hundred apathetic 18 year olds for a year. It's also completely pointless and unnecessary from a military perspective (the days of mass conscript armies are dead and gone).

>Young people don't want it because it's a waste of fucking time and prevents you from getting started in your life.

The only people who want this are a minority of 60-something baby boomers who think if you sequester the most valuable potential labour away doing nothing for a whole year of their lives all our social problems will just disappear.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:05 No.12828118

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:05 No.12828118

>>12827817
You can't really force anybody to cut their hair, but it is strongly encouraged.
Long hair is very maintenance intensive and causes all sorts of problems so you're much better of without it.
Also you can always let it grow back after service

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:06 No.12828132

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:06 No.12828132

It's a giant waist of money for the US. Sure it's a good idea if you're right next to hostile countries and you need a large army but the US is mostly protected by the navy and air force.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:06 No.12828158

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:06 No.12828158

Replies: >>12828197 >>12828216

>>12828107

>prevents you from getting started in your life

You mean getting drunk while you fail exams because you're too young and dumb to understand anything?

Sure is starting a life with good moral values.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:07 No.12828174

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:07 No.12828174

Replies: >>12828216 >>12828266

>>12828107
Yees goyim let your men stay as boys, dont teach them discipline and dont force them to any excercise or teach them how to shoot while we train our youth.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:07 No.12828188

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:07 No.12828188

Replies: >>12828865

>>12828101
Didn't Germany have that system? I was under the impression that almost half the conscripted men in Germany went (or could go) into civil service instead of the army. It seemed to work pretty ok for them.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:07 No.12828197

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:07 No.12828197

Replies: >>12828243

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>>12828158
>military
>morals
What fucking planet do you live on?

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:08 No.12828216

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:08 No.12828216

Replies: >>12828273

>>12828158
>>12828174
What a terribly narrow and uninformed view of young people you have.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:09 No.12828243

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:09 No.12828243

Replies: >>12828356 >>12828520

>>12828197

Military values:
>discipline
>strength
>ability to solve problems
>fearlessness

Society values:
>yolo
>swag

Yeah fuck you shill

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:09 No.12828249

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:09 No.12828249

Replies: >>12828410

>>12827994
Men and women are not equal in their abilities by average and at large. It's much easier to grab the more suitable half of population by making service default for males. Even a fat hikky can be made pretty strong because testosterone runs through his veins, most women can't compete with that. Obviously if /pol/ or the hommafags from /politiikka/ had their way then we'd have some kind of camp for women as well which teaches them teamwork, makes them fitter, provides useful skills for survival and maintenance of stuff during a potential crisis. Hell, I'd replace confirmation school/that prometheus place and other jesus/non-jesus-faggery with something like boy and girl scouts or some youth organisation. That would cull down the amount of entitled retards drastically and promote some team spirit.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:10 No.12828266

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:10 No.12828266

Replies: >>12828306 >>12828360 >>12828388 >>12828557

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>>12828174
>YES GOYIM JOIN THE ARMY AND DIE FOR ISRAEL'S ABSTRACT POLICY GOALS

Fucking retards on this board seriously. The US military is a branch of the Israeli military. If you join you're willingly making yourself a tool of international Zionism.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:10 No.12828273

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:10 No.12828273

>>12828216
Were you born as an adult?

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:11 No.12828306

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:11 No.12828306

>>12828266

You are dumb, why do you think this thread is only about the US? There are people from other countries browsing this board, too.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:11 No.12828322

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:11 No.12828322

>>12827709
>Besides, it would not be cost efficient for our country.

We spend 1.6% of GDP on army, which isnt that much, but when you consider that 70% of the men waste a year of paying taxes, it nearly doubles and puts Finland in one of the biggest spenders per GDP.

180 ohi on TURHA PASKA

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:13 No.12828356

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:13 No.12828356

>>12828243
>shill
That's hilarious coming from someone who's sucking off the military like it can do no wrong.
>You don't need freedom just do what we tell you.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:13 No.12828360

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:13 No.12828360

>>12828266
lol so serving in Finnish army makes me fight for Israel?

Not every country is 80% circumsized jew slaves you know.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:13 No.12828373

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:13 No.12828373

Replies: >>12828428 >>12828474

>implying I wouldn't shoot myself in the bathroom the second I was given a gun.

Getting yelled at all day with no way to escape? I'm too much of a mess to handle that, I'd just start crying out of fear life I always do, and without the ability to speed away in my car I'd have to shoot myself

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:14 No.12828388

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:14 No.12828388

>>12828266
You don't send conscripts to the front unless there is a full-on war going on

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:14 No.12828393

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:14 No.12828393

Replies: >>12828473 >>12828505 >>12829933

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>Being slave of the state
>Passage into manhood

top lel, OP.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:14 No.12828410

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:14 No.12828410

Replies: >>12828796

>>12828249
One recurring theme in this thread seems to be that mandatory service is not necessarily combat or even front line. Examples such as electricians were given. Women could just as easily fill these roles. If women want equal rights they netter be willing to take equal responsibilities as well. Whens the last time you heard a feminist demanding equal representation for women in the Selective Service? Equality has to mean equality, not just the good bits.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:15 No.12828428

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:15 No.12828428

Replies: >>12828450 >>12828516

>>12828373
And nothing of value would be lost

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:15 No.12828450

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:15 No.12828450

Replies: >>12828649

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>>12828428
>Men must live to serve the state.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:16 No.12828473

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:16 No.12828473

>>12828393
>Being slave to liberal degeneracy and Jews
>thinks it's freedom
top lel

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:16 No.12828474

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:16 No.12828474

>>12828373
You would do the world a favour

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:17 No.12828505

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:17 No.12828505

Replies: >>12829439

>>12828393
Yes freedumbs is goods you know best what you want to do eating chips and doing drugs is good for you

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:17 No.12828512

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:17 No.12828512

fuck that i'm not going to go "serve" as a murdering government lap dog. soldiers are pieces of shit.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:17 No.12828516

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:17 No.12828516

>>12828428

I'm well aware, I can't even order food because I'm too afraid I'll mess up and get laughed at

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:17 No.12828520

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:17 No.12828520

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>>12828243
Military values:
>die for israel/international bankers
>might makes right
>don't question authority
>shoot unarmed civilians
>obey orders, pay no attention to the law
>mistrust foreigners, mindless patriotism

High society/traditional American values:
>art, culture and education
>think critically, question everything
>be a creative and innovative individual
>debate and investigate
>decide your own path through life
>respect others and the law, but develop your own morals
>travel and mingle with people of other cultures

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:17 No.12828521

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:17 No.12828521

Replies: >>12828626 >>12828731

I guess it depends on the country. I can it being helpful in a country like South Korea. Which is bassically on the brink of war every year. But a western European country? They don't even have large armies. There would be no need. Same for Murrica. There are already loads of men who volunteer. There's no shortage.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:18 No.12828557

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:18 No.12828557

Replies: >>12828610

>>12828266
>Implying we're only talking about USA here
>Implying amerifags would still fight for Israel if /pol/fags had such a level of influence to decide about conscription

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:19 No.12828596

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:19 No.12828596

>>12828520
>US military
>Every military

Not everyone lives in United States of Jew

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:19 No.12828603

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:19 No.12828603

Replies: >>12828697

>>12828520

Those values were values 150 years ago.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:19 No.12828610

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:19 No.12828610

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>>12828557
If your country is a member of NATO you're fighting for the Rothschilds and the International Banking Cartels. This is a fact.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:20 No.12828626

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:20 No.12828626

>>12828521
The problem is, if a full-on war did happen i don't think people would rush to join up like they used to. Conscription would be the only way we'd be able to survive in that situation.

Example; Australia, twice as many soldiers died in WW1 than we currently have troops.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:20 No.12828649

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:20 No.12828649

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>>12828450
>You'll never die in glorious last stand to defend the capital of the Reich. "VICTORY OR VALHALLA!" as you charge the hordes of fuckin' ugly red rushing in from the east, only 300 war-seasoned comrades against 7,000,000,000 commies, each step costing them dearly

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:22 No.12828697

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:22 No.12828697

Replies: >>12828805

>>12828603
I see them around me everyday, indeed I would say they are a majority. Just because you choose only to focus on the worst our society has to offer doesn't mean good, free people have ceased to exist. It's only a testament to your narrow-mindedness and ignorance.

Your whole world view is like one of those shitty image macros that cherry picks images from 'Fascism' and 'Democracy' or 'Islam' and the 'West'.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:23 No.12828731

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:23 No.12828731

>>12828521
Conscription is not so much about how men can help serve their country at present but how characters of those men are changed for the greater good of themselves (striving for something more than primitive desires as in current liberal generation) and their nation.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:23 No.12828734

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:23 No.12828734

>>12828610
I'd rather fight for NATO than the Soviet block. Far higher quality of life in NATO countries...

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:23 No.12828756

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:23 No.12828756

>>12828649
>average Wehrmacht soldier
>Valhalla

Pick one.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:24 No.12828785

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:24 No.12828785

Sure viva the USSR Comrade.
Left Right Left Right Stalin is our Savior possessions are bad everything for the state, left right, left right.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:25 No.12828796

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:25 No.12828796

Replies: >>12828832 >>12828880

>>12828410
I don't believe in equality, people aren't equal. I think people's mental and physical capabilities are defined by biology by average, even if there's exceptions, but we can make exceptions for them. I don't know how to place men and women in ranks but they're different.

So my advocation for women to have some kind of useful training is based on usefulness (skills, teamwork, character building) not equality, humanistic justice or some useless bullshit like that.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:25 No.12828805

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:25 No.12828805

Replies: >>12828874

>>12828697

So what you are trying to say that 19-24 year old men and women (and I use these terms lightly) would rather read a book or join a club where youth helps rebuild playgrounds then listen to nigger music and get fuckin wasted on a weekend?

You are so disconnected from reality I'm starting to believe you live on Mars.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:26 No.12828832

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:26 No.12828832

Replies: >>12829189

>>12828796
>he still thinks equality means everyone is literally equal.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:27 No.12828865

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:27 No.12828865

>>12828188
There is civil service for drafted men in Norway aswell, but those positions are paper pushing parts of the military and are being phased out as only about half of each generation is drafted and there is no longer a need for "dumping grounds".

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:27 No.12828874

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:27 No.12828874

Replies: >>12828969

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>>12828805
It depends on the person. This isn't very hard to understand. If you think people in college that are in challenging majors drink and party 24/7 then you don't know what you're talking about.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:27 No.12828880

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:27 No.12828880

Replies: >>12829189

>>12828796
Even though women and men are physically and mentally different, they should still have the same basic rights and responsibilities.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:29 No.12828936

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:29 No.12828936

>>12826132 (OP)
>Impose defense tax(Specific to this case)
>Serving a military term of at least two years makes one exempt
>Promote good health, teamwork, etc
>'Culture' develops around it
>Eventually people who don't serve are either vaginas or physically/mentally disabled
The tax wouldn't even need to be too high.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:30 No.12828969

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:30 No.12828969

Replies: >>12829032 >>12829057

>>12828874
>the majority of the population is in challenging majors

This is what you actually believe

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:31 No.12829007

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:31 No.12829007

Murricans only hate conscription because they are constantly fighting foreign wars of aggression. The reason they even went with full professional army was because they just couldn't continue their wars with a conscript army as it became unpopular as fuck with Vietnam.

So instead of changing their foreign policy murricans just adopted professional army which shut up the dissenters and continued shitting up the world.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:32 No.12829032

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:32 No.12829032

>>12828969
Yes that would be silly if I said that but I didn't. Forcing people in the military when there's no point just makes a shitty army(Vietnam) and gets in the way of people's plans.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:32 No.12829057

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:32 No.12829057

>>12828969
Obviously didn't read the post.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:34 No.12829123

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:34 No.12829123

>>12826132 (OP)
no. in the US the continued maintenance of the federal US military in peacetime is unconstitutional and for a good reason.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:36 No.12829189

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:36 No.12829189

Replies: >>12829317 >>12829464

>>12828832
I know what you mean with equality. What I mean is that I'd base judgement on things like sex by average, but still let individuals get exceptions if they prove their capability even if they're not from the targeted group. That goes against equality and I don't care because I don't care about equality to the absolute, even if I think steep class differences created by a broken economy do suck ass.

>>12828880
Maybe some basic rights and responsibilities. If you had an army for men and some special training camp for women, that wouldn't be same but it'd be similar, and good enough for me. You could switch from one to the other maybe. Kind of like textile and woodworks in school, girls go the first and boys to the latter mostly, it's a choice but you have to pick either.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:39 No.12829317

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:39 No.12829317

Replies: >>12829736

>>12829189
Fair enough, so long as it stops the current trend of half the population being expected to serve for everyone. Also, publicly outing the males who would willingly pick the (presumably less demanding) female camp can only be a good thing.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:41 No.12829390

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:41 No.12829390

>>12826449
Given we've never fought for oil in your history?

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:43 No.12829439

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:43 No.12829439

>>12828505
>>12828505

The fact that men are fallible and capable of making bad choices does not legitimaze coercing them to make choices that are better (according to your own conviction of what a good choice is. You may of course be wrong). As for me personally, I rarely touch chips or candy at all, and only occasionally drink alcohol or do (mild) drugs. When you are given the possibility to make bad choices you learn self-dicipline and to restrain yourself. How are you supposed to learn that at all if someone is always going to be there and tell you what you can eat and do? You would be a child forever

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:43 No.12829464

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:43 No.12829464

>>12829189
What the world needs is an objective scale for the worth of humans. Sure, we might be equal, and the only reason I say this is because there is no proof for either side. Either way, there is plenty of proof to suggest that we're much more dynamic than the term equal implies.

No culture, no religion, no social anything besides the aspects that we are born with. Both sides should encourage this because it is proof of their claim, regardless of which side of the fence they are on, from the communist to the extreme racist.

Think of it like IQ but much more telling.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:45 No.12829529

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:45 No.12829529

>>12826132 (OP)
military service stopped being mandatory just about when I was to get accepted (~2005)
tbh, to this day I do wonder weather or not this was a good choice. Looking at the generations that followed, they are completely pussified and autistic....
however, there is this other side of the coin. In the 1.5 years i DID NOT spend in the army, i did quite a few things that boosted my career later on.
so, i guess, as everything else, there is good and bad in this

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:47 No.12829582

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:47 No.12829582

Replies: >>12829618

Military service is mandatory for 1 year in my country. Let me tell you, it's a huge fucking waste of money and time. The only thing I learned is that people are much more stupid than I thought.
As for getting fit and trained, that doesn't happen either. No one is interested enough to care, because otherwise they would have joined the army professionaly, and the professionals can't be assed to teach you when they have pros to train. Also they can't put too much pressure on you to get fit or do dangerous activity, because if anything happens to you, your superiors will be held responsible.
Oh yeah, I fired a rifle 5 times too.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:48 No.12829618

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:48 No.12829618

Replies: >>12829976 >>12830017

>>12829582

Then you have a shitty ass country.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:48 No.12829628

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:48 No.12829628

>>12826449
>implying that ever happened

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:52 No.12829736

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:52 No.12829736

>>12829317
Well, I don't know if fear of humiliation should be used to push males to choose the army. Those who choose the women-oriented alternative would probably be just discouraged and feel more antipathy toward the state and people. Embracing masculinity and respect for soldiers would be a better thing, especially if it's fuelled by an earlier responsibility/bravery/survival/militarism-promoting tour-of-fun-and-games in a scout camp that substitutes the confirmation school+alternatives as a rite of passage.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:54 No.12829818

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:54 No.12829818

>>12827808
Don't worry they are dying off.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:57 No.12829933

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:57 No.12829933

Replies: >>12830238 >>12830255

>>12828393
State defines manhood, so he does have a point.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:58 No.12829960

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:58 No.12829960

>>12828520
/thread

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)09:58 No.12829976

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)09:58 No.12829976

>>12829618
It's not my country that is shitty, that's what happens when you force people to serve in the military. If you want people to care and try hard to be good soldiers, then it must be their choice to join.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)10:00 No.12830017

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)10:00 No.12830017

>>12829618

>thinking America wouldn't be worse

Unless you count discipline as being able to lick clean a bowl of cake batter....then I don't think so bro. It would just be an embarrassment.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)10:06 No.12830221

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)10:06 No.12830221

>>12827486
Yes of course. Anything to defeat GDI and it's Jewish masters.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)10:06 No.12830238

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)10:06 No.12830238

>>12829933
Hey, not everything about manhood is subjective. Some things just can't be defined by the state... well... least if you ask most people instead of the occasional bigendered pansexual transsexual who is a radical feminist and can redefine a penis into a clitoris at the power of hir will.

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)10:07 No.12830255

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)10:07 No.12830255

>>12829933
>State defines manhood
Seriously?

Anonymous
04/18/13(Thu)11:22 No.12832790

Anonymous 04/18/13(Thu)11:22 No.12832790

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>>12826132 (OP)
>tfw mandatory service
>tfw disqualified for heart condition
>tfw mother cried
>tfw father disowned me