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Being Atheist and talking about Atheism is politically incorrect. Democritus was atheist and was an important philosopher and scientist. Based Richard Dawkins was Atheist and labeled a lunatic. Now that we got that out of the way, lets discuss our faith, or lack of faith, and how it can bring about global peace.

Throughout history most governing bodies came into power through war. The main message of Atheism is peace. How can we establish our power? Through the people's hearts. To conquer a territory through love and not the sword relieves the conqueror of discontent. It is better to reason with someone to get them to do the right thing then force them to do the right thing. This is what nature wants, this is how nature wants us to bring action against tyranny. This is how we can bring true peace to the nations: conquer their hearts, educate them in the correct direction to instill change, keep them content.

Standard links:
How to be an atheist and not come off as an asshole:
http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/how-to-be-atheist-without-being-arrogant/
Guide to reality:
http://blog.talkingphilosophy.com/?p=4209
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What, you thought I was kidding?
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>tfw finals start tomorrow
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinque_viae
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>>13786824
>not just letting people believe what they want
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Atheist here. Please don't make these. What set us apart was that we didn't need circle jerk threads full of us telling each other we were right
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inb4 storm
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>>13786824
Autism general?
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>mfw some dumbass atheist used the Big Bang theory as an argument in the last thread
>mfw the Big Bang theory was proposed by a Catholic priest
>mfw I have no face
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Anyone want to discuss bananas or hot oil or how euphoric we are right now?
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>>>/r/atheism
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>>13786780 (OP)
>the people in that fucking image
ITS A TROLL
GO HOME GUYS
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>>13786893

It actually developed from earlier ideas, amongst them was Hubbles observations that the universe was expanding
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>>13786893
He Big Bang Theory is fact. Some religions disagree with it but some don't

The basic theory of the theory was instituted by a Catholic priest, but he only provided the framework. The actual nitty gritty research done into cosmology that provided evidence for the Big Bang came from secular scientists
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>>13786958
this
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>hurr durr i'm religious because i don't wanna be edgy and fedora xD
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> LGTSS
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>>13786929
Are they growing the neckbeards as a joke?
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I don't think atheism has a main message, or should have a community. I am simply a person that doesn't believe in god, we shouldn't make ourselves into a religion, or believe it to be our responsibility to wage some sort of imaginary war on religion. I propose we simply disbelieve and move on, and not stir enmity and hatred towards ourselves. We don't need to wave our dicks around, and neither do the Catholics, I would rather we coexist and discuss actual problems in the world, rather than continually shit on each other and ignore more serious issues. We both have our extremists, and they're fucking retarded, but can we please not judge each other off of the fringe elements of our group? Let's all try to get along.
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>>13787083
>the disregarded neckbeard of atheism
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keep making these threads OP, the shitposters will get bored eventually
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>>13787315
I just wanted to talk about secular stuff, idk why catholics get a general but i don't..
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>Einstein
>Darwin
>Lincoln
>atheist
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>>13787404
They were a mess of trolls too when they started, just keep it up.

People who are religious are inherently more likely to be faggots
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>>13787421
I didn't say they were atheist
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>>13787134
Can someone answer this, it's kind of driving me crazy that all of these guys seem to have them.

Why the fuck would they do that?
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>>13787516
because people are finding pictures of fedoras and pasting copypasta on them, are you dense?
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>>13786780 (OP)

A lot of those "atheists" aren't even remotely non-religious. Any atheist who believes in a state is just as religious as your average Christian, they've merely replaced one G word with another.
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>>13787616
see
>>13787483

They all believed in secularity. I never said they were atheist.
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Try posting on the weekdays OP, /pol/ is shit on the weekends. Find some other sites to browse during this time
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>>13787598
That doesn't explain why these guys would have facial hair that looks so fucking stupid.

If you're already shaving the rest of your face why not, you know, shave your fucking neck too?
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>>13787717
Actually i thought sunday was secular primetime because church and all. I guess the christfags on /pol/ are just fakes.
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>>13787744
I can't answer that, fortunately I only grow hair on my face
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>>13787778
being christian is edgy now
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>>13786780 (OP)
>atheists decide to have generals the same day catholics do.
I can smell the fedora.
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>>13787837
>treating /pol/ like a middle school playground

I smell a cross necklace submerged in sweat chest hair.
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>>13786893

Catholics believe in evolution, the fucking pope belives in evolution the catholic church has nothing to do with the pretestant crap you guys defend in america.
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Holy shit this is an edgy thread.
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So many asspained christfags.

How do you like a taste of your own medicine?
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>>13787908
Catholics usually believe humans are the exception. I think the church is trying to "evolve" to fit a changing society rather than die out, which alot of religious institutions are afraid of.
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>>13787992
hurf durf edge fedora durf
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Is pedophilia a judeo-christian value? It seems to me, Yahweh is not only the god of deception, but pedophiles as well. All Yahweists (Christians, Jews, and Muslims) enjoy fucking children. Christians and Jews have been fucking 10 year olds for over 1.5K until secularism stopped, and Muslims, being the backwards people that they are, still fuck 10 year olds.

What's the deal? Why is Yahweh so into raping kids?
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>>13788026
No, they believe that the spirit in humans is the exception.
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>>13788068
Have you seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgrEfIwgmtk
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>>13788123
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgrEfIwgmtk

Well yea, there is now doubt Jews still fuck little kids, pedowood and all of course, but they at least hide it. Christians hide raping little boys too, only Muslims flaunt, but they are fucking cavemen, so no surprise there.
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>>13788123
Oy vey but It's a rabbi who did that.
He's not evil he dint do nuffins.
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>>13788205
>muslims flaunt
>christians hide
>catholics hide
>jews have entire rings
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>>13788280
>Atheists murder hundreds of millions
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>>13788311
Never happened.
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>>13787744

Neckbeards are lazy and don't leave the house very often.
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>>13788344
>never happened
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>>13788344
IS this nigga serious
>he doesn't know about china and russian history
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That one anon is right it needs a better general image. also when you make a thread, its best to start off with a topic so the thread has a direction, if someone can find a good image to use I've had some ideas Ive been wanting to post, Ill do it tomorrow
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>>13788311
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>>13788429
>>13788435
What does this have to do with Atheism?

Oh wait, nothing. Seriously savages, at least try to form a coherent argument.
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>>13788462
>>13788429
It was mostly a class thing, and to the extent it wasn't you guys deserve a little payback
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>>13788491
>communism
>not explicitly atheist
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>>13788344
Actually I remember reading something about Russian, during Lenin's take over, killing over 9,000 priests.

Also thousands were killed in china by an atheist government for having believed in a religion.

it happens a lot more than you think. But I wouldn't say hundreds of millions were killed for being religious in an atheist state, but at least a million.
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>>13788527
What's your point? Are you implying that their philosophical stance on god caused them to kill people?
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>>13788462
>tries to make an argument while ackknowaging the holocasut
>on pol/
pls
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>>13788566
>Actually I remember reading something about Russian, during Lenin's take over, killing over 9,000 priests.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-religious_campaign_during_the_Russian_Civil_War_%281917%E2%80%931921%29
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>>13788566
Oh well, still a tiny number compared to religious people through the history of time.
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>>13788580
Are you implying Catholics explicitly cause them to be pedophiles?
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"I did not popularize the fedora just so it would be worn by edgy faggots"
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>>13788593
fuck I can't type
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>>13786893
>Big Band theory suggested by Catholic Priest
Your point? Did the Catholic priest read about that theory in the bible? Did Jesus tell him? My point is that when he made that theory, he was thinking like a scientist, not a Catholic priest.
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>>13788429
>...38 million who died from famine...
Yeah, that image not about murder.
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>>13788666
>he was thinking like a scientist not a Catholic priest
Because the two are mutually exclusive, please do tell me about ALL of those scientists and Catholic priests that you personally know.
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>>13787995
>>13787995
>>13787995
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Oh I love this argument. Countries ruled by psychopathic dictators are the fault of of people not believing in god.

Sure thing buddy. If you want to compare the death totals of atheists and the religious in this manner without looking at any other factors, then atheism can have it's 100 millions of killed. Meanwhile, every murder from dawn of time prior to the 20th century was caused by religious people. So every killed individual goes into the religious count. So that's a couple of billions killed by religion, welp.
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>>13787421
It's "secular general"
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>>13788600
clergy do have a bad habit of acting as guards for tyrants, not that communists where an imrovment
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>>13788737
>couple of billions
>atheists in charge of knowing history
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>>13788737
>billions
[Source needed]
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>>13788682
>famine is not a weapon
I bet you think propaganda isn't either.
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>>13786975
Hubble's observations came after Lemaitres derivation of an expanding universe. Lemaitre merely found the solution to Einsteins field equations and estimated a value for what is now known as the Hubble constant.

>>13786979
Lots of astronomers are secular but many are not.
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>>13788816
>>13788852

Muslim invasions of India cover the 100 million of atheists already.
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>>13788737
There wasn't even that many people back then nigger.
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>>13788951
>India
>atheists.
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>>13788919
Famine is not. Unless you can prove it was intentional, those aren't murders.
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Atheist and against third-world immigration
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>>13789026
>famine strikes
>one sides hordes food from the other
>blocks access of the other party from getting any kind of aid/help or food.
TA DA, famine weapon. It's still used in africa this day.
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>>13788772
>justifying evil because it happens to agree with your outlook on the issue of whether God exists

Typical atheist
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>>13789023
The millions of Indians killed by Muslims cover the millions of killed by atheists, if going by the numbers. Aside from that, every other murder committed by people before the invention of atheism also goes into the religious count.

I'm pretty sure religious people killed far more than atheists in history so far.
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>>13788951
>muslims are christian
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>>13789078
But the famine isn't the weapon, hording food isn't famine. That's using famine as an opportunity not a weapon.
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>>13789150
When communists have killed clergy it was because their actions perpetuated class divisions, it was not a matter of spiritual beliefs
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>>13788026

Not really, i'm studied in a catholic school, i'm irish spanish
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>>13789253
So? And the communists killed a rather small number of clergy anyway.
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>Lincoln
>secularist
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>>13789379
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>>13789379
Not only that, he was a close atheist.
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>>13789329

Yes, really.
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>>13786858

>implying religions don't actively promote spreading their religion and assimilating others.

I know you religious types like being hypocrites, but come on.
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>>13789229
>>13789229
it's like trying to argue with a fucking wall.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2101786,00.html

Here is a small example.
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>>13789441

Nice fake quote. Here, from your own "freethinking" brethen: http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/09/17/more-fake-founding-fathers-quotes-from-secularists/

>>13789441

Proof?
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>How to be an atheist and not come off as an asshole

stop making a huge deal out of.it.
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>>13789625
>atheists in charge of not being lying scum
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Here is an argument that gets all the Christfags panties in a knot.

>Since God is Omnipotent, everything he does is on purpose because he has full control over everything
>Since God is Ominscient, he knows what will happen if he does something
>God creates Adam and Eve and tells them not to eat the fruit.
>Not only does God know they are going to eat the fruit, he designed them to because he is Omnipotent and has full control over everything he designs.
>God gets mad and punishes humanity for something he is responsible for.

They can't talk themselves out of this. They will ramble and try to change the subject, so just keep them on this and watch them squirm.
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>>13789735
>Genesis
>literal
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>>13789770

>Bible
>real

Are you ready to admit that The Bible is Myth?
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>>13789556
How about making a point rather than just posing an article with a snappy title.
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>>13789818
>The grandeur of this historic sweep is the result of a careful and complex joining of several historic traditions, or sources. These are primarily four: the so-called Yahwist, Elohist, Priestly and Deuteronomic strands that run through the Pentateuch. (They are conveniently abbreviated as J, E, P and D.) Each brings to the Torah its own characteristics, its own theological viewpoint - a rich variety of interpretation that the sensitive reader will take pains to appreciate. A superficial difference between two of these sources is responsible for their names: the Yahwist prefers the name Yahweh (represented in translation as Lord) by which God revealed himself to Israel; the Elohist prefers the generic name for God, Elohim. The Yahwist is concrete, imaginative, using many anthropomorphisms in its theological approach, as seen, e.g., in the narrative of creation in Genesis 2, compared with the Priestly version in Genesis 1. The Elohist is more sober, moralistic. The Priestly strand, which emphasizes genealogies, is more severely theological in tone. The Deuteronomic approach is characterized by the intense hortatory style of Deuteronomy 5-11, and by certain principles from which it works, such as the centralization of worship in the Jerusalem temple.
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>>13789735
Why would this bother someone who is religious?

idgi
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>>13789770
word of advice, unconditionally accepting it as true is the only way to save a religion from destruction. If there are compromises it WILL be picked apart
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>>13789887

So be it. "For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction..."
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>>13789878

Words are for saying things that are in your brain, not to just randomly post.

What are you trying to say? Is the bible real or not? Is it a book of fiction or of things that actually happened?
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>>13789949

That's an introduction to a Bible.
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>>13789885

It means that God is punishing others and is legitimately upset about something that he is responsible for.

Imagine it. It's like training a dog to sit, and when you tell it to sit and it sits down, you get so fucking mad that you throw the dog out the window and give it Cancer for disobeying you.
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>>13789968

Okay?

Why not have an actual conversation and answer my questions?

Or are you too scared?
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>>13789972
to battle, brothers
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>>13789996
This assumes humans do not have a will of their own. I think that's a pretty sad way to look at yourself.
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>>13789730
>>13789770
Do you have a lotgh reaction face folder or something?
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>>13789996

You put way too much emphasis on a creation myth filtered through your literalist view of the attributes of God.
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>>13790096

God designed them that way, so yes.

Remember, he is Omnipotent and Omniscient.
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>>13790107
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>>13790132
According to the Bible, humans were designed with a free will so you are wrong.
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>>13790125
> creation myth

Good, you know it's myth, therefore it never actually happened. What of the rest of the bible?

>literalist view of the attributes of God.

It's either real or it's not. Since there is no proof of this "God", it's more logical to believe that it doesn't exist.
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>>13790197

Please see

>>13789735


If you design a robot to perform complex tasks and decision making and it follows through with it's programming, is it doing it because of it's own free will?
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>>13790249
>It's either real or it's not.

God isn't disproved because we don't have a full understanding of how he works.
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>>13790304
So you're a robot now?

How retarded are you?
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>>13790346

>God isn't disproved

This is not how it works.

Please watch this informative video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KayBys8gaJY
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>>13790371

Not retarded enough to understand how analogies work.
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>>13790420
I think this isn't something that makes religious faggots mad, I think this is just you being a retard and then pretending people get mad at you when in reality they are laughing at you.

Sounds like a personal issue.
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>>13789878
>Elohist, Yahwist, Priestly, Deuteronomic

oh fuck off

It's a book of myths that people have inexplicably applied literal meaning to.
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>>13790487

Please refrain from posting incoherent and irrelevant posts. We have an interest in maintaining high-quality posts and keeping high-quality posters.
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>>13790544
So get the fuck out of this thread.
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>>13790518
>rejecting academic methods
>hurr I'm a logical atheist fuck you mom I don't want to go to church this Christmas
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>>13790571

I believe you have a vested interest in watching this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KayBys8gaJY
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>>13790565

I'm giving you this last warning; Please refrain from posting incoherent and irrelevant posts.
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>>13786780 (OP)
Secular is code for "Whites Only" like Urban is code for "Niggers Only"
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>>13790596
>lol I posted "muh burden of proof" again
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>>13790619
Oh you mean exactly what you're doing?
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>>13790518
>being this plebeian
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>>13790640

It's because Theists do have the burden of proof and they have a keen interest in shifting it onto others.

I believe that this video will help you understand it more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KayBys8gaJY

Anyways, I am interested in having high-quality discussions with high-quality posters. If you know anything about Economics, you will understand that high-quality goods and services are in high demand, and only those who can pay it's premium can have access to it. Unfortunately, you seem to be in poverty when it comes to intellectual discussions, so I must search for one who can meet my standards.
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>>13790197
The bible is wrong

Every single thing you can possibly do has two outcomes: to do it or to not to (in a computer it is described as 0 or 1)

Now every output (your action) is determined by imputs (your upbringing, surroundings, feelings, etc)

Now for humans it is impossible to understand every imput. But if there was an alien or god or spagetti monster that was able to understand every imput at any given time, it would be able to calculate the output, with little or no error.

Now does this mean we do not have free will? Not necessarily. Since we are unable to percieve the inputs, free will is real (based on relativity)

The point is we are here to make choices and learn what made us make those choices. We are here to learn and to understand
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>>13790625
That's the first I'm hearing of it.
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>>13790571
>rejecting academic methods
How about being honest and letting people know most academics consider the bible myth? Aside form you god Craig, lol
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>missing the point
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>>13790790
Doesn't matter to me.
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>>13790915

I believe you are required to watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KayBys8gaJY
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>Based Richard Dawkins
Dawkins: Oh for the love of every fucking god. The guy is a really shitty scientist who constantly brings subjective shit into contact with my precious scientific method. Produced the non-predictive shit that are memetics and gene-centered Fmodels, which are not even hypotheses because they are untestable and have no support. from observational data. I'd kill him for the heresy of introducing psuedophilosophical claptrap into my methodology. Rarely does a scientist actually hurt science through incompetence, but he fucking did it.

-10/10
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>>13790730
Let us ponder the exsistance of this universe

Let us assume that everything in the universe has an opposite. (Ideas, matter, colors, etc)
This opposite theory is a law of the universe. It applies throughout, regardless if you understand it completly (example: gravity)
Now it is well known, before the big bang, that there was equal parts matter and anti-matter, correct? The first nanoseconds of the exsistance of this universe, a rift was made, creating more matter than antimatter.
The question stands: what created a break in the opposite law to put in motion the universe?

And before you ask hurr who created god then, if you ask that question, it is implied that a greater being does exist
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>>13790958
Is this actually real?


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