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The next 4chan Q&A/PMQ will be held on /q/ at 8:00PM ET on Sunday, May 12th.

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Sup /pol/
/b/tard here
Redpill me about guns
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>>14085363 (OP)
fix'd the pic for ya bro
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>>14085363 (OP)
The 2nd amendment isn't for deer hunting, it's for tyrants'
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http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

first bit of required reading for any gun red pill thread
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Notice that this includes ALL rifles, not just the black ones with scary features

more people are killed with hammers than rifles every year
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You'd think democrats would be more focused on banning cigarettes than guns, which contribute to about 400-600,000 of these deaths compared to the measly amount killed by guns
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gunfacts.info

All you need.
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>>14085470
>low gun violence

Does anyone else find it suspicious that they always have to specify it's with guns? Kind of implies maybe the figures on overall violence aren't so rosy.
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“We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate.”
“They [gun owners] want to keep the guns out of the hands of the bad guys, but they don’t have any regulations to do it.”
“They don’t care about the bad guys. All they want to do is have their little guns and do whatever they want with them.”
“That’s the line they’ve developed.”

>The discussion appears to be among Senator Loretta Weinberg (D37), Senator Sandra Cunningham (D31), Senator Linda Greenstein(D14), and at least one member of Senate Democratic staff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=algPRgetQ5E

and for the official record of the audio recording

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/media/archive_audio2.asp?KEY=SBA&SESSION=2012
>find Thursday, May 9 from the menu, then click “listen” beginning at 1:52:30
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>>14085785
Is this graph seriously legit? Proves a lot of things really, both to do with drugs and guns (my two favorite things in the world btw, probs not at the same time though, that does seem a tad irresponsible). Also what does it mean by "union-led gun control" why in the fuck would unions care about guns?
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>>14085920
>Does anyone else find it suspicious that they always have to specify it's with guns? Kind of implies maybe the figures on overall violence aren't so rosy.

I only find things suspicious when I don't realize the purpose.

Obviously it's because overall violent crime rises with monopoly of gun ownership.

Yes gun crime drops with gun control, but overall violent crime rises.

Violent crime as a whole has been falling for decades, however gun control laws cause corrections to the trend.
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>>14085870
Think of the shitstorm that would ensue if they banned cigarettes.
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>>14086008
>I only find things suspicious when I don't realize the purpose.

I was speaking rhetorically.
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>>14086008

with both the Australian and UK bans we can see a rise in violence immediately after the ban, then the rate goes right back to normal completely negating any point in the confiscations and bans on guns in the first place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkS2BRoCd2I
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>>14085978
yes it's legit.

>>14085920
they say gun violence, because, yes, gun deaths (yuk yuk we'll include suicides and justifiable homicide in our stats) do decrease when guns are banned. However, violent crime stays the same or increases.

Imagine, a tool that equalizes exchanges of force makes it harder for professional thugs to steal and kill innocents.
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>>14086050
It would be quite literally the funniest thing ever.

>"Fucking drug addicts, they're all scum." *puffs cigarette*
>Cigarettes banned
>"WHERE ARE MY FUCKING CIGARETTES CUNT I'LL FUCKING KNIFE YA!"
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>>14086050

more like think of the lobby and campaign money that would be lost, which is why they don't push for it
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>>14086065
Why does it rise and then fall like that though?
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>>14086070
Oi mate, you sellin ciggies?
ye mate keep it down, people around.
k mate
200 dollars per pack

And so on
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>>14086065
>with both the Australian and UK bans we can see a rise in violence immediately after the ban

That's because the Labour Party in the UK decided to alter the way that stats on violent crime were compiled.

==Definition in USA of violent crime==
In the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offences: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

==UK Definition of violent crime==
Recorded crime includes violence against the person (ranging from the more serious offences of homicide, serious wounding and threats to kill, to the less serious offences of common assault and harassment), sexual offences (not all of which are violent e.g. bigamy) and robbery (including robbery where no-one was harmed and no threats were made).

The rates in the UK are far higher because they include common assault and harassment which are by far the largest "violent" crimes in the UK but do not actually result in any injury to the victim. In the USA, such crimes would be treated as non-violent misdemeanours and excised from the statistics.

==Homicide by any means 2011==
USA: 14,159
UK: 724

UK homicides by knife 2011. 200
USA homicides by knife 2010 1,704
So, adjusting for population, the USA has 1.7 knife murders for every 1 in the UK.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X9JkSudCX4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVyV9ojTA_I

still don't think the government won't try to take your weapons? think they wouldn't beat the shit out of your frail grandmother to do it?
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>>14086123
They've already shown themselvs to be willing to pay for the nose for them, they're up to about $20 a packet here in Ausfalia and they still keep on smoking, I know shitloads of people who still smoke (I hang out with a lot of derros).
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>>14086176
*through the nose
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>>14086100

because after a ban the citizens are not armed so the criminals can be more bold, not a fact but that would be my guess
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>>14086123

I thought brits called them fags
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>>14086192
But then why does it go down again later to the former levels? Shouldn't it just stay up if that's the case?
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>>14086203
Fucking aussies ya shitcunt (at least I am).

btw you're a fag
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>Moms ban a book because it contains references to alcohol
>uses it in a propaganda poster to argue that other things should be banned

Kill every white woman between 35 and 65.
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You should go to /k/
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>>14086100
Because:
>>14086158

The only violent crime stats that cannot be juked are those for homicide.

Compare the homicide rate by nation if you want an actual depoliticized view of crime.
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>>14086158

you're about 2,000 off, according to the FBI >>14085830
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>>14086234
That is pretty diabolical.
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>>14086252

Soccer moms, they are the true bastion of Left-Authoritarianism on this planet.
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>>14086176
Don't even need to tell me... I live in Australia. I fucking hate it. Taxing me bullshit for more money.
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>>14086248
No. My total homicide figures include negligent manslaughter. If you remove those, the figures go down to about 12,000 for 2011.

I don't feel strongly about negligent manslaughter. You can remove them from the numbers if you like.
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Reminder that those who say they are against guns are lying
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu4lVFijM6g

This video demonstrates why you can't rely on 911 and the police to defend you

>When seconds count the police are minutes away

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZKVSNjlSp0

this man fought off a murderer while the police just watched, then Michael Bloomberg and the police took credit for the capture
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>>14086281
Maybe you should try giving up (lol).

But seriously I know mulitple people who used to do hard drugs, quite them, but still smoke like chimneys even though they know it's so bad for them. I'll never forget a documentary I saw about a rehab place and everyone there fucking smoked, and no-one ever mentioned it, like that wasn't a serious danger to them like the codeine or ecstasy or weed or gambling or booze or whatever they were there for.

Realistically if what you're worried about is addiction then you'd be safer honking on a crack pipe then smoking a cigarette. I mean yeah crack makes you feel great but then you feel like shit afterwards, with cigarettes there's not that problem, they just make you feel a little good. That's actually way worse.
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>>14086362
*quite alot
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>only white kids holding guns

Aww iddy bitty minority who only wants a kinder surprise

FUCKING FILTHY DEGENERATE WHITE SCUM WHO ONLY KNOWS HOW TO KILL. THEY ARE JUST LIKE THEIR ANCESTORS.
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>>14086362
True, ciggies are pretty bad. But they just make me feel good after getting off a bullshit day of 11 hours of being fucking screamed at, my boss is the biggest cunt ever.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyYYgLzF6zU
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQqieimwLQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EUObv1K_Pg
These are the people who pass gun legislation and know nothing of firearms.
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Using close range fighting tactics to defend yourself is more likely to get you hurt, especially in the case of women who are more likely to be oversized and outmuscled in a close range fight
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>>14085586
>>14085363 (OP)
Why is it always the white child holding the guns?
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>>14086409
Maybe try those e-cigs, or some less harmful alternative way of getting nicotine. Your life quite literally depends on finding one, and they'll probably be cheaper.
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>>14086440
>use a knife to defend yourself
>use a knife ever

jesus christ what dumb cunt. knives are the most brutal and savage of tools, there's a reason we distanced ourselves from using it in war. NO ONE wins a knife fight, one side just loses slower
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Reminder there is no correlation between gun ownership and homicide rate.
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>>14086444
Because whitey instinctively finds little white girls with guns/drugs/bruises more horrifying than children of other races.
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>>14086492
Only way to use a knife effectively is from behind against a guy who doesn't even know you're there. Sentry removal, that's it, everything else is way too fucking risky.
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>>14086512
Actually, I'm sure there is.

What you mean to say is that extant variables like niggers must be controlled for before you start measuring the correlation.
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>>14086158
>GUN CONTROL WORKS I SWEAR
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>>14086492
I love her thought process of people are rarely killed cleaning their knife as if accidental firearms deaths happen so frequent when statistically they are one of the lowest things you should be concerned about.
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>>14086214
Probably because the criminals who decide to take advantage of the disarming end up being caught over that time period and put in jail.

But because the crime rate merely falls back down to the level prior to the ban what this actually means is that banning guns encourages people to commit crimes, who otherwise wouldn't.

Funny how that works.
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>>14085363 (OP)
>Redpill me about guns

guns are a necessary part for for peace between two civil forces that make up a country, the Sovereign (the government) and the people.

peace comes from diplomacy and diplomacy comes when two parties both have something to loose should they fight each other.

imagine two tribes that are vying for a pond to feed their live stock, one has spears the other does not. the armed tribe is free to completely take over the pond without opposition, the unarmed tribe may object but will be passed off with "what are you going to do about it".

the same goes for the two parties of the Social Contract, people and Sovereign. the Social contract dictates that the Sovereign protects the lives and property of the people and acts as contract enforcement and an impartial judge to enforce law common to all men, (not different men making up separate sets of rules, kind of like if you play tag and that one kid would always make some bullshit up to get him out of being it),in return the people leave the state of nature and agree to be ruled by law common to all. Gun control legislation makes it so only one party, the sovereign has the spears, allowing them to take over the pond (in this case completely neglecting their duty to the Social Contract and the constitution for profit and nepotism) unhindered because there is no diplomacy when only one side has something to lose.
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>>14086440
There are so many confounding variables at play there that those statistics are basically worthless. Honestly, why do you THINK people using a knife to defend themselves are more likely to be injured? Because knives are an ineffective weapon or because carrying knives is more typical of people associated with the criminal underworld?
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>>14086536
http://theacru.org/acru/harvard%5Fstudy%5Fgun%5Fcontrol%5Fis%5Fcounterproductive/
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The 2nd amendment was not viewed in mind as only for hunting or only for the military, which the left confuses with the term militia

and no, the national guard is not a militia as it is run by the state and can be taken over by federal powers of the President, the term "Well-Regulated" was used in the 18th century to refer to "in good working order"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo1t0niMt7k

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

notice that the State and The People are separate entities in the eyes of the Founding Fathers, that comma is there by no accident, the People have a clear right to own firearms

http://www.lawnix.com/cases/dc-heller.html

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0314.htm

The Supreme Court has also ruled that the people do in fact have a right to bear arms, despite the democrats claim that people do not have that right
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>>14086618
No PC newsletter is going to control for the proper variables.

Japan has no gun crime and no guns.
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>>14086600

because knives do not preclude you from being immediately stopped the second it is used against you, adrenaline allows both you and your attacker to continue fighting as you tear each other apart in a literal sense
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>>14086642
>>14086642
>this Harvard study is bullshit
>>no correlation between gun ownership and homicide rate.
Stop moving the goal post to 'gun crime'
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>>14086242
It's not crime, mongoloid, it's murder rates
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>>14086648
Even guns can't make do that, there was that news story about a guy who was shot several times including in the head and still managed to get away, I don't remember but I think he died later but he was shot by a lady protecting her child in a home invasion.
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>>14086590
this
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>>14086563

I like how anon is making fun of the UK (historically low gun rates) for only having 1 (laughs when it reaches 1.5+) out of 100k people killed by guns.

But doesn't bat an eye where it's 10x higher in the US, 10 in 100k.

Gun nuts... >_>
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>>14086727
I once read about a guy who got stabbed right in the heart and managed to run a full city block before dying. Ask hunters, animals are always doing crazy shit like that after they get shot. Adrenaline's a hell of a drug.
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>>14086727

but you are able to shoot someone from a safe distance, reducing the chance that anything can happen to you, and bullets offer more immediate distruction than a blade

maaaaayyyybbbbeeee not if you were using pic related but thats beside the point
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>>14086773
>America and the UK are completely identical in ever way other then gun laws
Oh please tell me more about this alternate reality you hail from.
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>>14086773
Not making fun of UK
Making fun of banning guns because it didn't work
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>>14086773
>ban guns in a country with low homicide rates
>see? they don't have guns and they have low homicide rates
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>>14086773
>>14086773
Reminder that the uk has had an increase in homicides rate since they introduced anti gun legislation while it has fallen in the us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCzCJzTRtPc
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>>14086818
I would like to buy your rock.
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>>14086793

>>guns
>>easier to murder with... since that's what they're designed to do

HEY GUYZ, I THINK I KNOW WHY PEOPLE THINK GUNS ARE STUPID AND DESTRUCTIVE
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>>14086834
Which episode?

Also why are only white children holding guns?
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>>14086843
They're certainly destructive (that's what's great about them, sometimes people need to die) but they are not stupid. Well, 1911s are in a modern context. 7 rounds? Fuck off.
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>>14086809

>>low gun rates
>>low gun murder rates

Were you expecting a 0?

You know where you try to "ban" guns? Not in countries with a 1 in 100k murder rate, but in countries with 10 in 100k murder rate.
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Daily reminder that UK fakes statistics
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/philipjohnston/3760312/From-knife-crime-to-immigration-you-can-never-believe-a-Labour-statistic.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7402232/Full-scale-of-violent-crime-revealed.html
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>>14086870
Season 7 Episode 23 – Much Apu About Nothing
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>>14086896
>Murder rates are only worth trying to lower when they're high enough
libtard logic
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>>14086896
It did absolutely nothing.
The murder rates stayed the same.
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>>14086883
>implying I don't have 8 round magazines
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>>14086896
In the same time you banned guns and your murder rates went up and back to the mean, USA didn't ban guns and the murder rates fell rapidly
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>>14086958
Oh wow +1 round, that's such an improvement. Glock 21s have 13 nigga, 13.
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http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf

from here we can see that not only do criminals not buy their guns online(you still get a background check when you buy it from the FFL), but they don't use gun shows to avoid background checks

~80% of the time they use friends or illegal street sellers to obtain their guns

a gun background check system does not reduce crime because the system cannot work without a registration which is illegal, the legality of a background check is based on an honor system because there is no way to prove whether that individual underwent a background check for that gun
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>>14086990
God damn they are sexy though, just vastly inferior in some regards to modern offerings. Or is the trigger really that much better then a glock or similar?
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>>14086990
Not for long :)
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>>14087015
I heard the reason why the limit in new york is seven rounds is because there governer is a massive 1911fag.
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>>14087007
>dat sexy 1911
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>>14087045
heh
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>>14086958
>>implying I don't have 8 round magazines

Magazine only holds 7 rounds, chamber holds the last.
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>>14087084
Nah they do make an 8 round magazine for 1911s, it's not much longer either.
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>2013
>Not wielding your mighty Katana and annihilating your opponents with a single slash.
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>>14087051
Barrel if warped though and sights probably are off too.
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>>14087045
The fact that they have 1911 manufactuerers in NY of course played a role.
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>>14086896

The United States and the UK and Australia have different cultures

the USA has always had a murder rate around 4-5 per 100,000 while the UK has always been about 1-1.5 per 100,000

this has always been the case and the point that we need to focus on why gun control doesn't work is the change in rates, everytime gun control goes up in both the USA and UK there is a spike in violence, while in the case of the United States >>14085785 when gun control is weakened suddenly the homicide rate goes down, I don't have any instances of increase gun rights in the UK reducing violence because I have no examples of increased gun rights in the UK at all

but here in America we can see that gun control, as Penn Gillette put it, is bullshit, bans do not work here, Prohibition of Alcohol did not work, the War on Drugs is a miserable failure, and increased regulations of guns do not work either
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>>14087099
>Nah they do make an 8 round magazine for 1911s, it's not much longer either.

Ah, thought the one in pic was only a 7 though.
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>>14087084
I have Kimber 8 round magazines

So that is 8+1 tyvm
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>>14087051

your 1911 has no class
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>>14087051

That gun looks like shit.
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>>14086444
Every one of their pictures has a white kid holding guns. They are a racist organization.
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>>14087102
>Not opting for infinitely superior German Longsword

Got a load of this weaboo
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>>14087106
That's slightly less bad.
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>>14087102
Swords are banned to carry in my state.

>624.61 ARMED ASSOCIATION.
>"It shall not be lawful for any body of persons, other than the National Guard, troops of the United States and, with the consent of the governor, sons and daughters of veterans and cadets of educational institutions where military science is taught, to associate themselves together as a military company with arms, but members of social and benevolent organizations are not prohibited from wearing swords. Any violation of this section shall be a misdemeanor."
Source(s):
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=624.61&year=2012
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>>14087136
>>14087140
Get a load of these mad jelly plebs.
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>>14087144

Oh look a shitload of stuff that shouldn't be illegal.

Quick we need to be fair, let's make everything else illegal too!

- Paid for by Women
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>>14087144

>banning kinder-surprise

BAHAHAHA holy shit america
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>>14087152
>not using English Backsword
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>>14087185
>Swords are banned to carry in my state.

2013, States violating the magna carta.

Shit clearly says every freeman has the right to wield a sword in public.
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>>14087228
>swords
Battle axe master race reporting in
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>>14087216
The ban existed before the candy existed you tard.

Also, they are no longer banned.
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>>14087244
>Also, they are no longer banned.

Freedom at last, I can finally buy the chocolate I want.

Seriously, this is worth celebrating over?
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>>14087262
No it really is irrelevant.
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>>14087152
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>>14087262
>Seriously, this is worth celebrating over?

Holy fuck Amerifats, get it together, you banned CANDY?

Holy fuck Amerifats, you didn't ban candy, you want us to suck your dicks?

>blind europoor rage
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>>14087244

>kinder-surprise
>candy

WHaaaat the fuck america? Can't you get anything right?
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>>14087134
>So that is 8+1 tyvm

Alright cool yo jets no need to make me even more jealous...

I live in Canada, I've bin robbed three times and called the police every time, twice they refused to even take a report the other time they said they'd call me back and never did. When I went down to the station they seemed like they'd never gotten a report in the first place.

Can't get a firearm, Police can't protect me, and every time I mention I need a weapon to defend myself, people accuse me of being a terrorist or a danger to society.

At this point, I'd be grateful for a fucking single shot, and I'd built one myself if it wasn't a federal crime with heavy duty jail sentence.

Just nuke Canada, America, there's nothing left here to save.
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>>14087287
You're saying the chocolate egg isn't candy?
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>>14087279

they banned it on a ticky-tac law that says you can't store physical objects in food you sell

the toy inside the egg is what got it banned
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>>14087275

That's shopped...
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>>14087306

It's chocolate
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>>14087275
Aw jeez what a totally fair test representative of real world combat scenarios.
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>>14087238
>Battle axe master race reporting in

How dare you, I'll see you in valhalla!!
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>>14085870

I had a giggle at "unknown firearm".
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>>14087300
Be liberated my Canadian neighbor.
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If lieberals, for once, knew what the fuck it was that they were trying to regulate, they wouldn't be liberals.

Look at that shitty trigger discipline in all those pictures. Except for OP's, they all have their fingers literally pressing on the trigger. The fucking very first rule about guns is that you don't put your fucking finger on the trigger unless you have it aimed, ready, and intend to fire in that instant. Don't give me shit about them being kids; somebody set them up that way and didn't correct it.

Half of my mad would be gone if liberals took the time to know how to handle a fucking weapon they're trying to regulate/ban. For all that time you lieberals spend jacking off with tolerance and understanding you sure are incredibly fucking ignorant.
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>>14087238
What advantages does a battle axe have exactly over a finely made long sword? Sure they hit harder but the long sword is much more nimble and better for stabbing.
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>>14087324
So chocolate is what now, a fruit?
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>>14087275
You do realize that one is fake right? The real one had the katana get bent
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>>14087352

protip: people who have no idea what they are doing with guns tend to find them more dangerous

1/2
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>>14087352
Pretty much see
>>14086430
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>>14087352

2/2

UK posters ITT might get a kick out of this
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>>14087403
>GUNS ARE BAD BECAUSE IM TOO FUCKING STUPID TO NOT LOOK DOWN THE BARREL
The reaction of the bros in the back was great.
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>>14087360
Come at me both of you.
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>>14087373

yes I know, but I always get a kick out rustling jimmies in a katana vs long sword argument
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>>14087403
I cringed
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>>14087427
Better not miss motherfucker, which you probably will given it's unrifled.
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>>14087341
>Be liberated my Canadian neighbor.

That shit is highly illegal too and liable to get us Canadians hit with even more than just illegally owning a weapon.

Let's see, they'd probably hit me with illegal transport of weapon or dangerous intelligence over international borders just for downloading it.

Then there's the bullets that I'd probably get a charge for each individual round.

Canada is the Poland of the 21st century.

Just waiting for America to go full fascist and invade us, maybe then I'll be able to get a fucking handgun to protect myself against the fucking niggers.
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>>14087403
all 3 are stupid in their own unique ways
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>>14087453
There is a reason nobody brings battle axes and swords to war anymore.
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>>14087429
Yeah but what's the point? Longsword > Katana, everybody accepts that, accept for weaboos and japanese people.
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I would gladly give up all guns if it meant we could have medieval style battles again and hundreds of thousands would be slaughtered in a day. And I mean every gun on the planet would be destroyed with no chance of them ever coming back.

I, for one, welcome my feudal overlord.
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>>14087479
I think you'll find swords where still in common use at the time of flintlock pistols.
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>>14087427
>Come at me both of you.

Haha that reminds me of the assassination attempt on old Hickory.

Fucker came up with two flintlocks, both misfired.

Bring it on I'll take you out with a bucket of water and a spork.
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>>14087352
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxtu228bYFw&hd=1

>I'm the prime house co-sponsor on the ban of the high capacity magazines
>I will tell you these [magazines] are ammunition! They're bullets!
>So the people who have those now they're going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won't be anymore available

>CO-SPONSOR TO A BILL IN THE UNITED STATES HOUSE
>CAN NOT COMPREHEND THE MOST BASIC FUNCTION OF WHAT HER LEGISLATION OUTLAWS
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>>14087467
That sucks.
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>>14087493
>I think you'll find swords where still in common use at the time of flintlock pistols.

>There is a reason nobody brings battle axes and swords to war anymore.

>to war anymore.

>anymore

>2013

NOBODY IS USING FLINTLOCKS ANYMORE
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>>14087494
Oh yeah forgot about that; unreliable. Also there's the lengthy reload time.
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>>14087480

katana weebs think anything out of japan is gods gift to the world, they are harder to convince otherwise

but long sword uses have proof that their preferred sword is the better option, so they are easier to upset
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>>14087518
You posted a picture of a flintlock m8.
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>mfw a plebeian uses a longsword near me
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>>14087542
>fighting with sticks
Get a load of this pleb. I'll cut that shit in half bitch and then stab you in the heart. How does that make you feel?
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>>14087494
My weapons got better and more reliable, how's your fixed blade weapons of war treating you now?
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Britbong here.
I am of the opinion that the only reason guns should remain legal in the US is because their circulation is too great to just make em disappear.
The UK, I feel, is better off without guns in circulation.

Is this opinion justified? I'm open to "red-pilling".
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#rekt
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>>14087523
>but long sword uses have proof that their preferred sword is the better option, so they are easier to upset

Longsword is probably better but when it comes down to an unarmored fight it's just going to be whoever is better at that combat style.

Armored though the Katana gets raped by basically any steel sword, Katana are meant to only cut using the tip at high speed where as the entire long sword is sharp up to that second notch which gets used for half swording.
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>>14087555
>You're going to cut through a quarterstaff with a longsword
Good luck. I'll just be beating your ass into submission until you cry like a bitch.

But I won't kill you. I'll make you live with the fact you got asspounded by a man with a stick.
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>>14087563
They're still useful for survival purposes, and sentry removal. But yeah gun guys won, we all know this, get over it, there's nothing to be proud about taking the man out of war.
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>>14087555

High school detected
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>>14087541
>You posted a picture of a flintlock m8.

Bot that wosnt me m8

Com 'ere ya yankey cunt i swore t god ill blast u str8 up the arshole m8
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>>14087570
>Is this opinion justified? I'm open to "red-pilling".

When Sharia law is initiated and you're up for execution for being found not to believe in Allah, you might have wanted a gun or two to protect yourself from those mudslimes.
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>>14087523
but but my 10000 folds
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>>14087594
Well alright that was the post I was referring to. And bladed weapons do still have some uses in modern conflicts, even if they are pretty marginal. No weapon every truly goes out of use.
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>>14087563
>My weapons got better and more reliable, how's your fixed blade weapons of war treating you now?

Not great considering those are actually illegal where I live in Canada too.

Seriously I think the limit is 6 inches on a knife here, you can't have a sword or even a sharp stick. Kill me now.
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>>14087581
>there's nothing to be proud about taking the man out of war.

there's the pride of actually winning
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>>14087599
I'd like to be red-pilled without the use of hyperbole.
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>>14085978
>Also what does it mean by "union-led gun control" why in the fuck would unions care about guns?
Why indeed?

The union bit is typical /pol/ bullshit. The actual legislation in question was the 1903 dick act that started the transformation of the standard militias into the national guard after the Spanish-American war reminded people that self-regulated and equipped militias actually suck mammoth amounts of cock in real combat situations.
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>>14087620
Yeah but it was it really you who won, or the weapons? Any 12 year old african child soldier can shoot a man, there's no honour in that, no real skill.
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>>14087616

Sorry Canada
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>>14087620
I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICA
WHERE AT LEAST I KNOW IM FREE
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>>14087570
>The UK, I feel, is better off without guns in circulation.

Well when you banned handguns your overall violent crime rate spiked above trend.

Banning firearms does seem to lower gun homicide however it raises overall violent crime and homicide for all weapons combined.

So for example if a group of niggers kicks in your door in a home invasion and they have knives, you're fucked, you can't fight off an attacker with a knife unless he's either retarded, you're highly trained, or much bigger, and even then it's a losing battle.

Gun control is the way for the little guy to defend himself or herself.

Anyone who thinks knives\police will protect you have never felt adrenaline.

Two people with knives going at each other, they'll both stab each other for a couple minutes in adrenaline and then fall over dead.
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>>14087616
I live in Texas. I was arrested by the police for having a six-inch knife in my apartment. Apparently Texas law makes five inches the maximum

Land of the Free, baby.
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>>14087640
>there's no honour in that, no real skill.

There is no "honour" in war you fucking shitface, there's winners and losers, and from the sounds of your whiny face, you're a loser
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>>14087664
>I was arrested by the police for having a six-inch knife in my apartment.

Why the fuck were they in your apartment, shithead? The point of the 4th amendment is to make fuck-retarded laws like that unenforceable.
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>>14087674
I'm just mourning the end of an age you plebian, can't you just leave me alone? Why must force your modernist brutality on me at every turn?
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>>14087613
>Well alright that was the post I was referring to. And bladed weapons do still have some uses in modern conflicts, even if they are pretty marginal. No weapon every truly goes out of use.

Bladed weapons aren't going to protect you in a fight against another opponent with a knife though.

You'll both wind up dead in almost every case.
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>>14087693
*you force your
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http://vocaroo.com/i/s1w0T7CEtPJT
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1w0T7CEtPJT
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1w0T7CEtPJT
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>>14087690
>Why the fuck were they in your apartment, shithead? The point of the 4th amendment is to make fuck-retarded laws like that unenforceable.

>implying police actually have to follow the constitution anymore
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>>14087696
True, that's why they're only really good for sentry removal, as I said here>>14086527. Still a use, nice and quiet, unlike your precious guns.
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>>14087674
>There is no "honour" in war you fucking shitface, there's winners and losers, and from the sounds of your whiny face, you're a loser

What about if an invading army is coming to kill your families and children?

Is fighting off the invaders in war not honorable?
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>>14087664
What the actual fuck?
So a Bowie knife is illegal in Texas?

Remember the Alamo indeed.
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>>14087570

according to >>14086065 the UK is in the exact same spot they were before the gun ban, but according to these links >>14086903 the UKs political parties altered the way statistics are collected in order to make the country appear safer, like Hot Fuzz but in real life
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>>14087726
That grip doesn't look too comfortable.
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>>14087640
Any 5ft 90 pound jap can cut a man with a piece of metal, there's not honour in that, no real skill. A real man fights with his fists.
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>>14087717
>Still a use, nice and quiet, unlike your precious guns.

Well first they aren't MY precious guns, like I said I'm Canadian and can't own one.

Guns statistically are the best self defense weapon by far, you have the greatest chance of fighting off the attacker with one.

Tazer is worthless against multiple attackers or even a single one at times, knife fight leaves you both dead, fists you're dead, stick you're dead, I think you get the picture.
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>>14087708
>implying police actually have to follow the constitution anymore

If you go to court and show that police were in your house with no warrant, 90% of the time you will win.

Did the police kick down your door? Then you have a really good argument that it was an illegal search.

Did you let the police into your apartment willingly? Then you're an idiot.
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>>14087718
It might be honorable to fight, but you don't have to fight honorably.
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>>14087718
>Is fighting off the invaders in war not honorable?

according to this one guy, not if you use guns since there's no skill
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>>14086492

>toplel.jpg

Knives are a tool for stealth takedowns. You lose the element of surprise, and a knife is as useless as tits on a bull.
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regarding accidents and suicides with guns... accidental gun deaths are a statistical blip and japan has way more suicides than we do and they have a total gun ban.
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>>14087717
>>14087717
If you're going for stealth, why not just use a crossbow? Still better than your silly bladed weapons.

Or you know, use subsonic ammo with a suppressor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6z4HgrU4TQ
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>>14087751
It's cool bro, I'm ausfalian, at least you guys can even get semi-autos.
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>>14087753
>Did the police kick down your door? Then you have a really good argument that it was an illegal search.

They always use the exigent circumstances bullshit.

"Oh I thought I saw blood, I thought I heard a crying baby, I thought I saw a gun" etc

It gets used constantly and mostly after the fact, as in.

They will break in, have a look around, and then claim they saw something they find from your doorway, hence exigent circumstance.

It's fucked up but that's what's happening.

As for just letting them in ya that's pretty dumb but I don't think the poster knew the knife was illegal.

If you think you're being a law abiding citizen and you let them in just so they don't put you on some list, and then they hit you with a law you didn't even know existed, what can you really do?
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>>14087796
>It's cool bro, I'm ausfalian, at least you guys can even get semi-autos.

No those are restricted.

The only non-restricted firearm we have here is a double barrel shotgun, and even those you need to pass a several day training course way out in the boonies, then pay 500$+ for the license, wait a month+ to get it, and then you're put into the Long Rifle database.

Even after all that, you still have to keep the ammo in a completely separate cabinet, you have to have a licensed gun safe, and you can't load the firearm within the city limits, not even if your house is broken into.

Ya, it's that bad.
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>>14087806
>They always use the exigent circumstances bullshit.

>"Oh I thought I saw blood, I thought I heard a crying baby, I thought I saw a gun" etc

If there is no baby in your house then what the fuck did they hear? Exigent circumstances really need to be followed up with some sort of evidence to turn up how those circumstances came about.

>If you think you're being a law abiding citizen and you let them in just so they don't put you on some list, and then they hit you with a law you didn't even know existed, what can you really do?

You can learn to be a law-abiding citizen and not let police into your home.
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>>14087763
Don't get me wrong there's plenty of skill in using a gun, I love guns, and they require plenty of skill. It's just not as much as swords, fucking swords man, imagine seeing what that's like, it's not even possible any more, that martial art died out. And what replaced it (guns) is just so clinical and mechanical by comparison, so unlike swordfighting. I'm pining for a lost age, can't you understand?
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>>14087833
Dear god Canada.
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>>14087833

Not to mention the training course actually tests you on firearms such as the wheel lock, flint lock, switch lock, and a bunch of other centuries old shit nobody ever uses anymore and that aren't even legal.

You basically have to know the anatomy of every gun, forever, and if you get even 10% of it wrong you have to retake the test and pay the fee again.
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>>14087833
All guns are restricted here in ausfalia, and it's basically impossible to get an AR-15 or something like that unless your like a top level professional hunter or something. I'm pretty sure it isn't as bad as that in Canada.
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>>14087788
Crossbows can be surprisingly noisy, as are suppressed guns with subsonics. Nothing can truly compare in quitness to a simple knife thrust, although those two do certainly come close.
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>>14087837
>You can learn to be a law-abiding citizen and not let police into your home.

You realize that's impossible considering how many pages in laws there are now?

That texas law about the 6 inch blade was probably hidden within about 100,000 pages of irrelevant legislative gibberish.

Without a legal team you are basically breaking multiple laws every day.

>Exigent circumstances really need to be followed up with some sort of evidence to turn up how those circumstances came about.

That's why you should've read the next line where I mentioned there's plenty of cases of them breaking in and then making up an exigent reason after the fact.
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>>14087900
*quietness
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>>14087876
>All guns are restricted here in ausfalia, and it's basically impossible to get an AR-15 or something like that unless your like a top level professional hunter or something. I'm pretty sure it isn't as bad as that in Canada.

Well I'm not going to bother playing the game of "who has it worse" because neither of us really has an effective way of acquiring a self defense weapon.

Either way we are both restricted far beyond what should be allowed for reasonable self defense.
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Does this look more accurate?
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>>14087900
Okay Mr. Ninja
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>>14086727

That was in georgia, and she wasn't a good shot. The head shot was a grazing. She was also using .38 ball, if the police report is to be believed, good for target plinking, but not capable of quickly stopping an attacker.
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>>14087913
>then making up an exigent reason after the fact.

I'm saying that exigent circumstances don't hold up in court if they actually have to prove that those exigent circumstances existed.

>I saw blood on the floor
>Did you take a picture of it?
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>>14087900
>Crossbows can be surprisingly noisy, as are suppressed guns with subsonics. Nothing can truly compare in quitness to a simple knife thrust, although those two do certainly come close.

The only case in which a knife would work as a self defense weapon is if your attacker was coming at you bare handed.

Against another knife adrenaline kicks in for both of you and you stab each other to death long before the pain even kicks in.
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>>14087953
>not capable of quickly stopping an attacker.

Ball ammo can stop an attacker plenty good. It's just not the best at firing at people as hollowpoints are.
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>>14087953
That is kinda the point and why I have a .45 on my nightstand.
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>>14087964
>I'm saying that exigent circumstances don't hold up in court if they actually have to prove that those exigent circumstances existed.

What I mean is this:

>cop kicks open door
>opens drawer
>finds knife in drawer, places it on top of drawer top
>oh look at this, a dangerous weapon, exigent circumstance

This happens all the time. They break in and then create a scenario in which entering would have been permitted after the fact.
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>>14087987
>Ball ammo can stop an attacker plenty good. It's just not the best at firing at people as hollowpoints are.

Ever seen someone get hit by a musket? Say goodbye to a good portion of your upper torso.
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>>14086050
Probably not.

With a big enough ad campaign, you can make any cause seem stupid. like the whole smoking is evil campaign in the UK with the smoke physically strangling a sleeping baby.

Most smokers aren't even trying to justify it nowadays. (like you see alcohol users doing)
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>>14087913

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfdEbe7e9GE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

you need to brush up on your rights, its not that difficult

this one is more staged to demonstrate ideal situations to deal with police and is meant for nigs but its still useful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4nQ_mFJV4I
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>>14087999
>This happens all the time. They break in and then create a scenario in which entering would have been permitted after the fact.

trips for truth
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>>14087197
nope.jpg

those are the ones I could reach without getting up.
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>>14087999
>oh look at this, a dangerous weapon, exigent circumstance

What? Exigent circumstances are reason for breaking your 4th amendment rights due to someone being in great danger or there's probably evidence being destroyed. Look it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exigent_circumstances

They need damn good a reason to bust down your door. If they make up a reason and it's found that they made it up, then all evidence they found was found illegally and can't be used in court.
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>>14087999
>cop kicks in door
>cop gets filled with lead from a well armed citizen
Get your shit together Texas
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>>14088023
>you need to brush up on your rights, its not that difficult

There are hundreds of thousands of pages of legislation that apply to every person regardless of state.

Even if you spent now til the end of your life researching 24\7 no food no sleep no shits you still couldn't keep up.

They are literally passing legislation faster then you can stay informed on it by yourself.

See the affordable care act, good god that one piece would take years to decipher without a full legal team.

Yes there are basic laws, but then there are state laws and municipal ordinances.

For example the thing with the 6 inch blade limit would be tucked within an endless stream of bureaucratic bullshit which is impossible to keep up with.

Things used to be easier in the way you are describing, but now the legislation is deliberately made impossible to keep up with so they can nail you on just about anything should they ever get you on their radar.
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>Redpill me about guns

SCENARIO A:

>nigger breaks into house
>father brutalized
>mother raped
>kids traumatized
>valuables stolen
>other niggers encouraged to break into more homes


SCENARIO B:

>nigger breaks into house
>dad shoots him dead
>family protected
>kids stay safely in their rooms until police come
>property remains inside home
>other niggers look for other ways to make money instead of home invasions


If you were thinking of breaking into a house, but then some other coon just got his guts splattered for breaking into a house, wouldn't it be a hell of a lot harder to work up the nerve to do it yourself? On the other hand, if there were lots of highly successful home invasions and the homeowners were helpless victims then it would seem like easy pickings.
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everyone ITT should watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyjvlvRZrz8
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>>14088036
>What? Exigent circumstances are reason for breaking your 4th amendment rights due to someone being in great danger or there's probably evidence being destroyed. Look it up.

I didn't say they didn't.

I said they create that circumstance after they broke in to cover it up...

>They need damn good a reason to bust down your door. If they make up a reason and it's found that they made it up, then all evidence they found was found illegally and can't be used in court.

I don't think you realize that they make up reasons with impunity these days, courts throw out cases and almost none ever make it to trial, and those that do spent over a hundred thousand dollars on a legal team.
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>>14087563
Too wounded to live. Too precious to let die
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>>14087468

I always like Tiff Needell, myself.
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Daily reminder to all Gun loving losers: Statistics show that gun owners are more likely to harm a member of their household are caused by irresponsible gun owners, and that tragedies such as school shootings will not lead to fundamental change in gun laws because both Democrats and Republicans favor guns.
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>>14087968
Yeah I've already said that multiple times, knives are only really good for surprise attacks. You're completely correct otherwise.
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>>14088089

SCENARIO C
> nigger breaks into your house
> shoots you dead
> rapes family at leisure
> shots them
> steals everything

SCENARIO D
> nigger breaks into your house
> you shoot him
> court rules in his favor and you pay him for breaking into your house an getting shot for the rest of your life


It's not all good my conservative fellow
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>>14088134
>bullshit statistics and lies
Tell me more.
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>>14088153
>> nigger breaks into your house
>> you shoot him
>> court rules in his favor and you pay him for breaking into your house an getting shot for the rest of your life

Not in glorious North Carolina, friend. If someone breaks into my house here, I am told by law to assume they are armed and intend to do me harm, so lethal force is 100% justified.
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>>14085363 (OP)
All I know is that no one is gonna try to rape the little girl on the right...
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>>14088134
>and that tragedies such as school shootings will not lead to fundamental change in gun laws because both Democrats and Republicans favor guns.
I am happy to hear this.
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>>14088029
Alright now I'm jelly!

>tfw ausfalian
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>>14088199

>move to the USA
>protect your right to own guns by voting libertarian/republican
>???
>profit
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>>14087144
Why not pools?
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>>14088199
Why do most Australians seem to hate firearms?

To find one that doesn't seems rare.
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>>14088224
On it.
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>>14088224
>Why not pools?

because you can't rally ignorant soccer moms about pools, since they have the same babysitting effect as TV does
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>>14088009

>musket
>ball ammunition

>my sides

Ball refers to fully brass jacketed ammunition. Not as in lead ball. Lead balls or dum dum rounds, colloquially, are very deadly, but have fallen out of favor since it would pepper your food with a poisonous metal.
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I support mandatory background checks for all sales, a national gun database (subject to protections against misuse), and bans on high capacity magazines and military style weapons, I also strongly favor harsh punishments for "straw buyers", ie. people who buy guns in one state, and smuggle them into a ghetto in another. Those guns end up killing innocent people, while the straw buyer pockets a nice profit, literally merchants of death.

I support these things because they will save lives. I do not care about the "rights" of butthurt, easily frightened gun owners. The second amendment is outdated and simply does not apply to the times we live in today.

In before and after the typical gun fag "argument" that all amendments are the same, and that guns are magical tyranny repellent devices, "muh feelings", ect. ect. . I've heard every pro-gun argument out there and have not found a single one to be logical, factual, or applicable to the situation we find ourselves in today.
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>>14088230
Banning stuff in an island probably works
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>>14087730
Someone should get the stats from the NHS on stabbings and shootings being treated.

Since they are far less likely to be faked and the way they are getting treated wouldn't change radically one year in the 90's.
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>>14088230
Because most aren't personally familiar with them and the media constantly demonizes them just like in America. Basically we always try to copy whats popular in America, in this case gun hysteria. It's pretty pathetic, I prefer it when we slavishly copied Britain instead, at least we have some kind of a historical relationship with them unlike you (no offence intended) damned dirty republican (in the sense of non-monarchist, I actually quite like the Republican party weirdly enough) traitors. Why'd you have to leave the empire? We miss you.
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>>14087937
Are you retarded? Homicide rates
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>>14085920
It's called "parsing the statistics"
You have to word the statistic in such a way as to support your contention and hide the facts.
When you see the words "gun deaths" they are adding in all accidents, justified shootings, and suicides...even cases where a person was beaten to death with a gun butt...but what they are implying is that these are all murders.

The use of the word "homicide" is another parse, as the word simply means a human killed a human, Homicide does not necessarily = murder.
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>>14088277
>The second amendment is outdated and simply does not apply to the times we live in today.
How do you figure? Have people gotten nicer and more trust worthy all of a sudden?
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>>14088277
Yeah, nah, you're a cunt.

Hope you get shot (oh the irony).
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>>14088277
>I don't believe in rights
Tell me more about how you're not a tyrant
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>>14088277
>I also strongly favor harsh punishments for "straw buyers", ie. people who buy guns in one state, and smuggle them into a ghetto in another.

That is not what a straw purchase is, you ignorant fuck. Get informed.
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The 2nd Amendment was never intended to be an answer against a tyrannical central government (how counter-intuitive would that've been at the time?) but instead to allow state militias to respond to their own rebellions and insurrections. (especially in regard to slaves)

The 2nd Amendment was NOT created to give rights to those being oppressed, but instead to those involved with a tyrannical government in order to suppress and quell rebellion from those seeking their god-given rights.

The Whiskey Rebellion gives a good demonstration as to the limitations individuals have in arming themselves against a central power.
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>>14088308
I always thought homicide was another word for murder. The more you know eh.
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>>14088350
Murder = unlawful homicide
Homicide sometimes is justified
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>>14088325
>The 2nd Amendment was NOT created to give rights to those being oppressed

>bill of rights
>not created to give rights in order to defend against oppression

hehehe

why don't you go cry to the supreme court about ruling firearm ownership an individual, constitutionally-protected right?

You don't "need" a constitutional amendment to guarantee your right to fight against tyranny. Does Syria have one?
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>>14088325
Wow that whole post was completely fucktarded, why does the government NEED unofficial militias to supress slave rebellions exactly? Couldn't the cops or the army just do that? I find this whole argument extremely suspect.
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>>14085978
Here's another one.

"gun deaths" have gone down over 40% since 1993, despite the millions of private firearms that have been sold since then.


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