Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:28 No.14595293

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:28 No.14595293

Replies: >>14596918

A new twist in the feminazi argument, we hate you, and now because you hate us back, we hate you more.
The writer can go fuck herself.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:29 No.14595333

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:29 No.14595333

Replies: >>14596789

at least copy paste that shit, I'm not giving gawker hits

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:30 No.14595344

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:30 No.14595344

>giving hits to Jews-a-bel

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:46 No.14595941

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:46 No.14595941

Replies: >>14609631 >>14610883

Well it's a long ass article but here it is.

Okay, so maybe you are a man. Maybe you haven't had the easiest ride in life—maybe you grew up in poverty; you've experienced death, neglect, and despair; you hate your job, your car, your body. Maybe somebody (or multiple somebodies) pulverized your heart, or maybe you've never even been loved enough to know what a broken heart feels like. Maybe shit started out unfair and became irreparable and you never deserved any of this. Maybe everything looks fine on paper, but you're just unhappy and you don't know why. These are human problems and other human beings feel for you very deeply. It is hard to be a human. I am so sorry.

However.

Though it is a seductive scapegoat (I understand why it attracts you), none of these terrible, painful problems in your life were caused by the spectre of "misandry." You can rest easy about that, I promise! In fact, the most powerful proponent of misandry in modern internet discourse is you — specifically, your dogged insistence that misandry is a genuine, systemic, oppressive force on par with misogyny. This is specious, it hurts women, and it is hurting you. Most feminists don't hate men, as a group (we hate the system that disproportionately favors men at the expense of women), but — congratulations! — we are starting to hate you. You, the person. Your obsession with misandry has turned misandry into a self-fulfilling prophecy. (I mean, sort of. Hating individual men is not the same as hating all men. But more on that in a minute.) Are you happy now? Is this what you wanted? Feminism is, in essence, a social justice movement—it wants to take the side of the alienated and the marginalized, and that includes alienated and marginalized men. Please stop turning us against you.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:47 No.14595964

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:47 No.14595964

Replies: >>14597279

It is nearly impossible to address problems facing women—especially problems in which men are even tangentially culpable—without comments sections devolving into cries of "misandry!" from men and replies of "misandry isn't real" from women. Feminists are tired of this endless, fruitless turd-pong: hollow "conversation" built on willful miscommunication, bouncing back and forth, back and forth, until both sides throw up their hands and bolt. Maybe you are tired of this too. We seem to be having some very deep misunderstandings on this point, so let's unpack it. I promise not to yell.

Part One: Why Feminism Has "Fem" in the Name, or, Why Can't We All Just Be Humanists?

I wish, more than anything, that I could just be a "humanist." Oh, man, that would be amazing! Because that would mean that we lived in a magical world where all humans were born on equal footing, and maybe I could live in a house shaped like a big mushroom and birds would help me get dressed or something. Humanism is a gorgeous dream, and something to strive for. In fact, it is the exact thing that feminism is striving for right now (and has been working on for decades)! Yay, feminism!

Unfortunately, the reason that "fem" is a part of the word "feminism" is that the world is not, currently, an equal, safe, and just place for women (and other groups as well—in its idealized form, intersectional feminism seeks to correct all those imbalances). To remove the gendered implications of the term is to deny that those imbalances exist, and you can't make problems disappear just by changing "feminism" to "humanism" and declaring the world healed. That won't work.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:50 No.14596043

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:50 No.14596043

Replies: >>14597279 >>14607259 >>14613148

Think of it like this. Imagine you're reading a Dr. Seuss book about a bunch of beasts living on an island. There are two kinds of beasts: Fleetches and Flootches. (Stick with me here! I love you!) Though the two are functionally identical in terms of intellect and general competence, Fleetches are in charge of pretty much everything. They hold the majority of political positions, they make the most money (beast-bucks!), they dominate the beast media, they enact all kinds of laws infringing on the bodily autonomy of Flootches. Individually, most of them are perfectly nice beasts, but collectively they benefit comfortably from inequalities that are historically entrenched in the power structure of Beast Island. So, from birth, even the most unfortunate Fleetches encounter fewer institutional roadblocks and greater opportunity than almost all Flootches, regardless of individual merit. One day, a group of Flootches (the ones who have not internalized their inferiority) get together and decide to agitate to change that system. They call their movement "Flootchism," because it is specifically intended to address problems that disproportionately disadvantage Flootches while benefiting Fleetches. That makes sense, right?

Now imagine that, in response, a bunch of Fleetches begin complaining that Flootchism doesn't address their needs, and they have problems too, and therefore the movement should really be renamed Beastism. To be fair. The problem with that name change is that it that undermines the basic mission of the movement, because it obscures (deliberately, I'd warrant) that beast society is inherently weighted against Flootches. It implies that all problems are just beast problems, and that all beasts suffer comparably, which cripples the very necessary effort to prioritize and repair problems that are Flootch-specific. Those problems are a priority because they harm all Flootches, systematically, whereas Fleetch problems merely harm individual Fleetches.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:51 No.14596083

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:51 No.14596083

To argue that all problems are just "beast problems" is to discredit the idea of inequality altogether. It is, in fact, insulting.

Or, if you didn't like that one, here's another ridiculous metaphor: When women say things like "misandry isn't real," we mean it the same way you might say, "Freddy Krueger isn't real." The idea of Freddy Krueger is real, Freddy Krueger absolutely has the power to scare you, and if you suspend your disbelief it's almost plausible to blame all of the unsolved knife-crime in the world on Freddy Krueger. Additionally, it is totally possible for some rando to dress up like Freddy Krueger and start murdering teens all over the place. But that doesn't meant that Freddy-Krueger-the-dude is literally real. He is never going to creep into your dreams at night and murder you. He has the power to frighten, there are isolated forces in the world that resemble him, but he is ultimately a manufactured menace.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:52 No.14596121

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:52 No.14596121

Part Two: Why Claiming that Sexism Isn't Real Is a Sexist Thing to Say

We live in a world of measurable, glaring inequalities. Look at politicians, CEOs, film directors, law enforcement officers, comedians, tech professionals, executive chefs, mathematicians, and on and on and on—these fields are dominated by men. (And, in many cases, white men.) To claim that there is no systemic inequality keeping women and minorities out of those jobs is to claim that men (people like you) are just naturally better. If there is no social structure favoring men, then it stands to reason that men simply work harder and/or are more skilled in nearly every high-level specialized field.

It's fine (though discouraging) if you legitimately believe that, but you need to own up to the fact that that is a self-serving and bigoted point of view. If you do not consider yourself a bigot, then kindly get on board with those of us who are trying to proactively correct inequalities. It is not enough to be neutral and tacitly benefit from inequality while others are left behind through no fault of their own. Anti-sexism, anti-racism, anti-homophobia, anti-transphobia—that's where we're at now. Catch up or own your prejudice.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:53 No.14596141

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:53 No.14596141

Replies: >>14596533 >>14596656

Part Three: Why People Being Shitty to You Is Not the Same as You Being Systematically Disenfranchised

There might be a lot of women in your life who are mean to you, but that's just women not liking you personally. Women are allowed to not like you personally, just like you are allowed to not like us personally. It's not misandry, it's mis-Kevin-dry. Or, you know, whoever you are. It is not built into our culture or codified into law, and you can rest assured that most women you encounter are not harboring secret, latent, gendered prejudices against Kevins that could cost you a job or an apartment or your physical sanctity. That doesn't mean that there aren't isolated incidents wherein mean women hurt men on purpose. But it is not a systemic problem that results in the mass disenfranchisement of men.

There are some really shitty things about being a man. You are 100% right on that. You are held up to unreasonable expectations about your body and your career and your ability/desire to conform to traditional modes of masculinity (just like women are with traditional femininity), and that is absolutely oppressive. There are radical feminists and deeply wounded women and women who just don't have the patience for diplomacy anymore who absolutely hate you because of your gender. (However, for whatever it's worth, I do not personally know a single woman like that.) That is an unpleasant situation to be in—especially when you also feel like you're being blamed for the seemingly distant problems of people you've never met and towards whom you feel no particular animus.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:54 No.14596166

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:54 No.14596166

The difference is, though, that the radfem community on Tumblr does not currently hold the reins of power in every country on earth (even in nations with female heads of state, the political and economic power structures are still dominated by men). You do, abstractly. No, you don't have the ability or the responsibility to fix those imbalances single-handedly, but refusing to acknowledge that power structure is a slap in the face to people actively disadvantaged by it every day of their lives. You might not benefit from patriarchy in any measurable way—on an individual level your life might actually be much, much worse than mine—but the fact is that certain disadvantages are absent from your experience (and, likely, invisible to you) because of your gender.

Maybe you're saying, "Hey, but my life wasn't fair either. I've had to struggle." I know it wasn't. I know you have. But that's not how fairness works. If you present fairness as the goal—that some day everything will be "fair" for everyone—you're slipping into an unrealistic fantasy land. Life already isn't fair, because of coincidence and circumstance and the DNA you were born with, and we all have to accept the hands we're dealt and live within that reality. But life doesn't have to be additionally unfair because of imposed systems of disenfranchisement that only affect certain groups. We can fight against that.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:54 No.14596188

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:54 No.14596188

Replies: >>14596324 >>14596694 >>14597322 >>14598978 >>14615044

Feminism isn't about striving for individual fairness, on a life-by-life basis—it's about fighting against a systematic removal of opportunity that infringes on women's basic freedoms. If a woman and a man have equal potential in a field, they should have an equal opportunity to achieve success in that field. It's not that we want the least qualified women to be handed everything just because they're women. It's that we want all women to have the same opportunities as all men to fulfill (or fail to fulfill, on their own inherent merits) their potential. If a particular woman is underqualified for a particular job, fine. That isn't sexism. But she shouldn't have to be systematically set up, from birth, to be underqualified for all jobs (except for jobs that reinforce traditional femininity, obv).

Part Four: A List of "Men's Rights" Issues That Feminism Is Already Working On

Feminists do not want you to lose custody of your children. The assumption that women are naturally better caregivers is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not like commercials in which bumbling dads mess up the laundry and competent wives have to bustle in and fix it. The assumption that women are naturally better housekeepers is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to have to make alimony payments. Alimony is set up to combat the fact that women have been historically expected to prioritize domestic duties over professional goals, thus minimizing their earning potential if their "traditional" marriages end. The assumption that wives should make babies instead of money is part of patriarchy.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:56 No.14596230

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:56 No.14596230

Replies: >>14596397 >>14596694 >>14597322 >>14598978 >>14602727

Feminists do not want anyone to get raped in prison. Permissiveness and jokes about prison rape are part of rape culture, which is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want anyone to be falsely accused of rape. False rape accusations discredit rape victims, which reinforces rape culture, which is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to be lonely and we do not hate "nice guys." The idea that certain people are inherently more valuable than other people because of superficial physical attributes is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to have to pay for dinner. We want the opportunity to achieve financial success on par with men in any field we choose (and are qualified for), and the fact that we currently don't is part of patriarchy. The idea that men should coddle and provide for women, and/or purchase their affections in romantic contexts, is condescending and damaging and part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to be maimed or killed in industrial accidents, or toil in coal mines while we do cushy secretarial work and various yarn-themed activities. The fact that women have long been shut out of dangerous industrial jobs (by men, by the way) is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to commit suicide. Any pressures and expectations that lower the quality of life of any gender are part of patriarchy. The fact that depression is characterized as an effeminate weakness, making men less likely to seek treatment, is part of patriarchy.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:56 No.14596268

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:56 No.14596268

Replies: >>14596397 >>14596694 >>14597322 >>14597580 >>14598978

Feminists do not want you to be viewed with suspicion when you take your child to the park (men frequently insist that this is a serious issue, so I will take them at their word). The assumption that men are insatiable sexual animals, combined with the idea that it's unnatural for men to care for children, is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to be drafted and then die in a war while we stay home and iron stuff. The idea that women are too weak to fight or too delicate to function in a military setting is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want women to escape prosecution on legitimate domestic violence charges, nor do we want men to be ridiculed for being raped or abused. The idea that women are naturally gentle and compliant and that victimhood is inherently feminine is part of patriarchy.

Feminists hate patriarchy. We do not hate you.

If you really care about those issues as passionately as you say you do, you should be thanking feminists, because feminism is a social movement actively dedicated to dismantling every single one of them. The fact that you blame feminists—your allies—for problems against which they have been struggling for decades suggests that supporting men isn't nearly as important to you as resenting women. We care about your problems a lot. Could you try caring about ours?

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:58 No.14596322

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:58 No.14596322

Part Five: I'm Sorry That You Are in Pain, But Please Stop Taking It Out on Women

It's not easy to swallow your own privilege—to admit that you're a Fleetch—but once you do, it's addictive. It feels good to open up to perspectives that are foreign to you, accept your complicity in this shitty system, and work on making the world better for everyone instead of just defending your territory. It's something I had to do as a privileged white woman, and something I still have to work on every day, because it's right. That doesn't make me (or you) a bad person—it makes me an extremely lucky person who was born into a white body in a great family in a vibrant, liberal city in a powerful, wealthy country that implicitly values white bodies over all other bodies. The least I can do is acknowledge the arbitrariness of that luck, and work to tear down the obstacles facing those who are disenfranchised by the insidious fetishization of whiteness. Blanket defensiveness isn't going to get any of us anywhere.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:58 No.14596324

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:58 No.14596324

Replies: >>14614494

>>14596188
MUH PATRIARCHY

It doesn't fucking exist. Jesus fucking Christ.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:59 No.14596349

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:59 No.14596349

>Women
>Problems

Beaches ain't shit but shores and shrimps

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)12:59 No.14596362

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)12:59 No.14596362

Replies: >>14596555 >>14596624 >>14603466

To all the men who have had shitty lives and mistake that pain for "misandry": I totally get it. Humans are not such complicated creatures. All we want is to feel like we're valued, like we deserve to exist. And I'm sorry if you haven't found that so far in your life. But it's not women's fault, it's not my fault, and it's certainly not feminism's fault. The thing is, you're not really that different from the women you rail against so passionately in these comment threads—the women who are trying to carve out some space and assert their value in a world of powerful men. Plenty of women know exactly what it feels like to be pushed to the fringe of society, to be rejected so many times that you eventually reject yourself. That alienation is a big part of what feminism is fighting against. A lot of those women would be on your side, if you would just let them instead of insisting that they're the villains. It's better over here, and we have room for you. So stop trying to convince us that we hate you and I promise we'll start liking you a whole lot more.

The End! I don't blame you guys if you can't read it all it's damn long.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:00 No.14596397

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:00 No.14596397

>>14596268
>>14596230
1/10 trying too hard.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:01 No.14596430

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:01 No.14596430

Replies: >>14596445

Why aren't we DDoSing Jezebel?

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:02 No.14596445

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:02 No.14596445

>>14596430

/pol/ never does anything about the problems. We just complain.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:04 No.14596521

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:04 No.14596521

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so for anyone tgat goes tl;dr
>Womyn never cause problems for men.
>Check your privilege.
>Feminism is working on those issues, so shut the fuck up.
This woman reeks of neglect and jealousy from more attractive, better personality women.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:04 No.14596529

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:04 No.14596529

Replies: >>14596746

>Feminism is, in essence, a social justice movement—it wants to take the side of the alienated and the marginalized, and that includes alienated and marginalized men. Please stop turning us against you.

This is such a fucking cop-out.
Feminism doesn't represent oppressed gay men, people oppressed for their ethnicity or people oppressed for their politics.
But feminists don't go around saying "Come on, gays! We fight for YOU too, you don't need a separate movement to fight for gay rights!"

Why are only MEN told that their interests are in Feminism, so they should just get on the boat and stop trying to have their own movement?

">Feminism is, in essence, a social justice movement—it wants to take the side of the alienated and the marginalized, and that includes alienated and marginalized blacks. Please stop turning us against you."

Why doesn't feminism pretend to represent the interests of marginalised black men? Because we KNOW it doesn't, just like we KNOW it doesn't care about or look out for men.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:04 No.14596533

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:04 No.14596533

Replies: >>14603545

>>14596141
I would love to see the difference in opinion from her readers on this paragraph if the perspective were changed to a man addressing women.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:05 No.14596549

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:05 No.14596549

Replies: >>14597604

You rage you lose

You have to make it to the end without raging, i bet you can't do it /pol/

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:05 No.14596555

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:05 No.14596555

>>14596362
It's fun to ask feminists how they would know when the world is "post patriarchy". How do you measure that shit?

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:05 No.14596557

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:05 No.14596557

OH! But she definitely claim that some of her problems are caused by misogynism. But if a man does something that exactly equivocable, that is sexism.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:05 No.14596582

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:05 No.14596582

Replies: >>14596641 >>14596695

Basically a long rambling attempt to pretend misandry isn't rice in society and isn't promoted by feminists.

The author should be challenged to find any book published in the 2,000 years priory to today with a title or with a spirit anything like Hannah Rosins' "The End of Men". At no point in those 2,000 years was a book in comparable spirit ever published not was it ever acceptable on such a wide cultural level to express such levels of contempt for women by men.

There are hundreds of prominent Feminist theorists who have expressed horrible sentiments about men at levels far exceeding anything you will find in the literature of men.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:07 No.14596624

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:07 No.14596624

>>14596362
>and it's certainly not feminism's fault.

........are you fucking kidding me?

Are you really this deluded?

If you want to marry an asian woman you are a predator and abusive. If you have sex with a horny 16 year old chick, you are a rapist but a woman doing the same is just making a kid "lucky". You've never been forced to die in a war. You don't get ripped off of half of your stuff just because somebody used to be your wife. You don't have to be worried of being accused of being a rapist while a woman in your position wouldn't do it.

The reason why feminazis whine so much about the term "misandry" because it's hits the nail on the head so perfectly. 95% of the shit feminists complain about are inconsequential things that no man would give a shit about if it was applied to him. (durr, hurr, objectification) 90% of the shit MRAs complain about is shit that would feminists foam at the mouth if it happened to them.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:07 No.14596641

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:07 No.14596641

>>14596582
Don't you see though, that's also the fault of the patriarchy. Men are to blame for radical feminism, you dolt! It's so obvious.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:07 No.14596656

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:07 No.14596656

Replies: >>14603233

>>14596141
How can she not she see it is also she true if she reverses the genders in her arguement?

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:08 No.14596694

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:08 No.14596694

>>14596188
>>14596230
>>14596268

Maybe we should stop calling all these things "Patriarchy" then, since these are social ideas about gender roles that are perpetuated by men and women alike.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:08 No.14596695

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:08 No.14596695

>>14596582
The luxury men have created allows women to hate men from a safe position guarded by men, once they bring about the downfall of society, they will be back to walking rape-holes status, the delicious irony.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:09 No.14596726

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:09 No.14596726

>Men hold all the power

Won't if any feminst has ever wondered truly why that is? Because they women would rather work less, get more benefits and look after families.

Nothing wrong with that, you shouldn't force someone to be something they aren't

>ALL WOMYN MUST HAVE CAREERS FUCK KIDS!

...equality in a nutshell.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:09 No.14596746

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:09 No.14596746

Replies: >>14597243

>>14596529
Because she doesn't want them to bother with paying attention to their own problems. She wants them to be her personal army instead.

I stopped reading here:
>Though it is a seductive scapegoat (I understand why it attracts you), none of these terrible, painful problems in your life were caused by the spectre of "misandry." You can rest easy about that, I promise! In fact, the most powerful proponent of misandry in modern internet discourse is you — specifically, your dogged insistence that misandry is a genuine, systemic, oppressive force on par with misogyny.

Because she completely turned her premise (admitting misandry is a thing) on it's head by essentially saying "Misandry is a word to describe something that doesn't exist, so stop talking about it you silly dumb men!"

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:10 No.14596756

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:10 No.14596756

Replies: >>14604608

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>mfw author claims that Feminism is working on all of these problems yet it's doing the opposite.
>mfw author takes us for idiots

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:11 No.14596789

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:11 No.14596789

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>>14595333
I agree with trips guy.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:11 No.14596813

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:11 No.14596813

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It's the patriarchy! Also,

>But life doesn't have to be additionally unfair because of imposed systems of disenfranchisement that only affect certain groups.

This is the problem with feminism. Assuming that groups will have this and that problem. Now THAT is stereotyping, and leads to ignoring those who have the problem but don't fall in the group, and overpowering those in the group who don't face that problem.

This article is laughable with the "let me act like I give you an inch in the fight so I can insult and say whatever I want about how wrong you are" See! I'm fighting for you!

sage
sage 05/23/13(Thu)13:12 No.14596852

sage sage 05/23/13(Thu)13:12 No.14596852

>jezebel

i don't know how you guys read this shit seriously

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:14 No.14596918

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:14 No.14596918

Replies: >>14598812

>we are starting to hate you

We already knew this from the beginning.

>You, the person.

Yes, everyone ever thinks about misandry at all possible hours.

>I wish, more than anything, that I could just be a "humanist."

You fucking can be - no one is stopping you.

>>14595293
I agree. Jesus fuck do these people even listen to themselves?

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:14 No.14596949

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:14 No.14596949

Replies: >>14597328

Somebody explains to me how the definition of misogyny suddenly incorporated the adjective "systemic" to its definition?
Misogyny is not systemic, not in the west, not in 2013.

Feminism has won a thousand times over, the only fight they have left is one for its relevancy in the modern world.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:16 No.14597029

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:16 No.14597029

She implies that women don't work in coal mines, the army or other tough jobs are because we keep them out.

Is she having a laugh? They would rather not do them and get paid less, that's the truth.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:17 No.14597062

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:17 No.14597062

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>Revelation 2:20 -
>Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

>2 Kings 9:22
>And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, [Is it] peace, Jehu? And he answered, What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her witchcrafts [are so] many?

>1 Kings 21:23 -
>And of Jezebel also spake the LORD, saying, The dogs shall eat Jezebel by the wall of Jezreel.


This is who the Jezebel site is named after, in case you didn't already know.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:18 No.14597124

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:18 No.14597124

Replies: >>14597252 >>14599072

>DISAGREEING WITH ME MAKES ME HATE YOU, WHICH IS ENTIRELY YOUR FAULT

i have decided to stop listening to what women say

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:21 No.14597243

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:21 No.14597243

Replies: >>14598880

>>14596746
>Because she completely turned her premise (admitting misandry is a thing) on it's head by essentially saying "Misandry is a word to describe something that doesn't exist, so stop talking about it you silly dumb men!"

Exactly. She says
>Feminists do not want anyone to get raped in prison. Permissiveness and jokes about prison rape are part of rape culture, which is part of patriarchy.

I have never seen any Feminist initiative to change people's attitudes to prison rape jokes in our media, or try and tackle it in any way.

>Feminists do not want anyone to be falsely accused of rape. False rape accusations discredit rape victims, which reinforces rape culture, which is part of patriarchy.

I have never seen any Feminist initiative to try and stop false rape accusations, but I have seen feminists ENCOURAGING women to report things which are clearly not rape, as rape, in order to do harm to men.

>Feminists do not want you to be lonely and we do not hate "nice guys." The idea that certain people are inherently more valuable than other people because of superficial physical attributes is part of patriarchy.

Superficial physical attributes? What does that have to do with "nice guys"? Or is "nice guys" just code for "ugly/fat/unnattractive guy who I know is attracted to me, and I will pretend he likes me for who I am until he makes a move, then I'll act all offended that he was only around me because he was attracted to me even though I knew that from the beginning"?

>Feminists do not want you to be maimed or killed in industrial accidents, or toil in coal mines while we do cushy secretarial work and various yarn-themed activities. The fact that women have long been shut out of dangerous industrial jobs (by men, by the way) is part of patriarchy.

I must have missed all the Feminist initiatives to try and give more dangerous, heavy industry jobs to women

I must have missed all the Feminist initiatives to set minimum quotas of women for FRONT-LINE soldiers

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:21 No.14597252

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:21 No.14597252

Replies: >>14597378

>>14597124

Disagreeing is part of the patriarchy. Feminism is working on it.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:22 No.14597279

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:22 No.14597279

>>14595964
>>14596043
>feminist say it if Feminism not Humanism because calling a movement for everyone's equality would be confusing if it wasn't pinpointed at their pet issue.
>meanwhile LGBTQISDN community adds a new letter to their movement every three months
>feminists demand these groups and minorities all want them to let Feminism to co-opt their problem
>feminists proceed to make anologies that don't include more than men and women

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:23 No.14597322

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:23 No.14597322

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>>14596188
>>14596230
>>14596268
>PATRIARCHY!!!!!!!!!!

And that section alone Justifies all the hate i have for feminism. That lazy fucking bullshit answer wrong-doing on their part. Blame the fucking Patriarchy. Fucking Raging right now.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:23 No.14597328

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:23 No.14597328

Replies: >>14610457

>>14596949
>>14596949
>>14596949
>>14596949

This. Author sets up a false premise. She conflates "patriarchy" (the systemic blah blah of woen) with "misogyny".
Misogyny is an individual characteristic. It is a person with contempt and hate for women.
It's got nothing to do with systemic prejudices.

But for Misandry to be real, it's got to be some pervasive, all encompassing oppression of men? We're talking about MISANDRY, not MATRIARCHY.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:24 No.14597378

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:24 No.14597378

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>>14597252
11/10 post

I was using those sides, you bastard.

I think this should be a new thing for making fun of Feminists.

Well done that man.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:30 No.14597580

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:30 No.14597580

Replies: >>14597645 >>14597720

>>14596268
This is what that fat 'red head' in Canada was shouting after her group pulled a fire alarm to stop an MRA group from holding a talk.

Shouting this shit like a madwoman and demanding that only feminism be allowed to be heard sounds like misandry to me.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:31 No.14597604

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:31 No.14597604

>>14596549

I lost in in reading Part 1....

But when I got to part 4 my eyes started bleeding. Holy shit now I have to go watch some comedy to balance this shit out.

Watch some Bill Burr with me and let's get this feminist stink off of us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kffDIxCSLbA

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:32 No.14597645

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:32 No.14597645

Replies: >>14597706 >>14597720

>>14597580
ayup

not only is it all complete bullshit, she was being the biggest cunt possible. and then she claimed everyone who called her a cunt was just mad at her for not conforming to gender roles and being a good little girl.

and...she lives in my city.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:33 No.14597706

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:33 No.14597706

Replies: >>14613451

>>14597645
egg her

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:33 No.14597720

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:33 No.14597720

Replies: >>14597844

>>14597580
>>14597645
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avu5NT1ZYT8

You guys will like this.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:36 No.14597830

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:36 No.14597830

Replies: >>14597897

Anyone else pleased by the recent increase of feminists trying to "take on" their opposition like this?
The fact that articles like this keep popping up now is very good.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:36 No.14597844

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:36 No.14597844

>>14597720
>Trigger Warning - Sick Beatz

meine seiten

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:38 No.14597897

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:38 No.14597897

Replies: >>14598006

>>14597830
i don't know how excited i am about MRAs "winning" anything here. there's a good chance they'll turn into a whinebox victimization circlejerk if they're not careful.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:41 No.14598006

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:41 No.14598006

Replies: >>14598031

>>14597897
MRA have some whiners, but not nearly as many as feminist circles IMO.

But anyway, it's not MRAs who know that misandry and male disposability are real things and real problems. Feminists trying to shut down debate about it by screaming IT'S ALL PART OF PATRIARCHY. FEMINISM IS DEALING WITH IT is completely laughable to everyone with a brain.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:42 No.14598031

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:42 No.14598031

>>14598006
It's not just* MRAs

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:47 No.14598205

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:47 No.14598205

One thing she didn't touch on: quotas.

There are laws and political pressure to high women. No pressure or laws to hire men. I work in a place that has very few women (you have to work so very few are interested) the two women that work here have been pushed the ladder to keep those in the feminism business off the company's back.

Individually they're nice girls. But every man know these two girls are protected and out rank everyone else because of their mighty snooch.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:49 No.14598294

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:49 No.14598294

Replies: >>14598412

The real face of Feminism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkspPmm-WVI

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:52 No.14598412

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:52 No.14598412

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>>14598294
God damn it.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:56 No.14598579

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:56 No.14598579

>Though it is a seductive scapegoat (I understand why it attracts you), none of these terrible, painful problems in your life were caused by the spectre of "misandry."
But all women's problems were caused by misogynism, right?

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)13:59 No.14598686

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)13:59 No.14598686

Replies: >>14598786

>Part Four: A List of "Men's Rights" Issues That Feminism Is Already Working On

>blaming all these problems on "the patriarchy"

Nothing is the fault of women ever : the article.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)14:02 No.14598786

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)14:02 No.14598786

Replies: >>14598880 >>14602951

>>14598686
What's so strange is that they actually think feminism is working on those issues. I don't see woman advocacy groups doing anything about the issues mentioned.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)14:02 No.14598812

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)14:02 No.14598812

>>14596918
>>I wish, more than anything, that I could just be a "humanist."
>You fucking can be - no one is stopping you.

But that's not correct. If people could just stop being what they are and become something else without outside interference, the world would be a much much nicer place and everyone would be a lot happier.

Sadly, people react to stimuli, situations and from experience. So basically, nothing is stopping both parties from exacerbating (making worse) or continuing the current situation, where fems hate menpigs and men hate fempigs

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)14:04 No.14598880

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)14:04 No.14598880

>>14598786
Exactly, see >>14597243

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)14:06 No.14598973

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)14:06 No.14598973

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My fellow /pol/acks, this movement is dying. The world is waking up, the zionist, cultural marxists are waking up. There are more young conservatives than ever before. we are truly lucky to witness the death of political correctness. These vile parasites can only cling to hope. Feminism is starning to burn, there is a higher rate of women opposing feminism than men. We will have justice.

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)14:06 No.14598978

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)14:06 No.14598978

Replies: >>14599961

>>14596188
>>14596230
>>14596268
>blames everything on teh patriarchy!!1!
>but agrees that all these things are bad

How ironic. Goes with something I said yesterday, about how it was to find out over the years, little bit by little bit, that the people I e-fought with really agreed with me on a lot of things, and that was the core of why we were really fighting. Although this is different from what I was thinking about (more than I wrote about), it's similar.

Keep this in mind, anons, because it's important to know and remember in life.

1) Different people do the same thing for different reasons.
2) Different people do different things for the same reason.
3) Some conflicts are inherently superficial in nature, being over words, misunderstandings, or over what to do about something.

It's something I've learned the hard way.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)14:09 No.14599072

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)14:09 No.14599072

>>14597124
Then listen to what I have to say:

Although your worries about feminazi destructoids may very well not be unfounded, you shouldn't use them as an excuse to give all women a bad rep.

women like feminists because they are on their side makes them feel empowered. If you want to get rid of feminists, you have to get the WOMEN on your side.

AKA be nice to a feminist, fuck his brain up and make his argument unfounded and unbelievable. take the powder out of the keg, so to speak.

Male Master race! awwww yeeaaahh

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)14:21 No.14599513

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)14:21 No.14599513

Replies: >>14612636

>>14594548 (OP)

>When men say things like "misogyny isn't real," we mean it the same way you might say, "Freddy Krueger isn't real." The idea of Freddy Krueger is real, Freddy Krueger absolutely has the power to scare you, and if you suspend your disbelief it's almost plausible to blame all of the unsolved knife-crime in the world on Freddy Krueger. Additionally, it is totally possible for some rando to dress up like Freddy Krueger and start murdering teens all over the place. But that doesn't meant that Freddy-Krueger-the-dude is literally real. He is never going to creep into your dreams at night and murder you. He has the power to frighten, there are isolated forces in the world that resemble him, but he is ultimately a manufactured menace.

You change two little words....

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)14:25 No.14599699

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)14:25 No.14599699

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>>14594548 (OP)
>Everything is the fault of patriarchy
>Patriarchy is fucking men over but it's still a system put in place by men to put women down despite women being 54% of voters and having a much easier time getting into politics
What I will never understand is why they insist on calling it patriarchy when it's really just society.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)14:31 No.14599961

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)14:31 No.14599961

Replies: >>14600462

>>14598978
>Stuff he learned the hard way

This is totally true. I've talked with feminists who ended up arguing something along the lines of:
>I agree with everything you're saying
>But you're still wrong

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)14:43 No.14600462

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)14:43 No.14600462

Replies: >>14600666

>>14599961
The problem with their thinking is they blame the patriarchy for everything. Meanwhile, the patriarchy is really just a boogeyman to blame everything on while they don't understand the real causation for all these problems. Some of what feminists complain about aren't even really particular to women. It seems that what really fuels feminism is ignorance, and sheltered young women being naive. I think it should be possible to reason with at least some of them, and get them to see how things are. It would be best if people who agree on certain issues would see that, and work together on those issues, instead of fighting each other as vainly as they often do.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)14:49 No.14600666

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)14:49 No.14600666

Replies: >>14601672

>>14600462
feminism tells its followers exactly what they want to hear. the female ones hear that nothing is their fault, everything should be tailored to coddle their "needs" (read: desires), their emotional responses are as valid as rational discussion...and the male feminists get roped in because of their belief in the idea that women need, want, and deserve all the protection and help you can give them.

presto, you've got an ideology tailor made to play to some of the oldest instincts involved in gender relations all the while pretending you're doing something brave and new.

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)15:13 No.14601672

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)15:13 No.14601672

>>14600666
Seems like a virus for the human mind which socially spreads and clings gullible and emotionally vulnerable people by their feelings to infect their minds. Somewhat like a cult, maybe.

It's ironic how feminism is very self-defeating in regards to it's stated goals. In order to get equal respect, women are going to need to take equal responsibility. It's part of how the world works: you only get respect if you accept responsibility. Good thing, too, because when nobody takes responsibility, the world goes to hell pretty fast.

They'll also have to get rid of the entitlement complex, though that seems to go with the generation in this case. Most of Generation Y seems to have been spoiled rotten by their parents. There's some outliers who had nigger tier childhoods, but they never count when we're talking about the norm.

Also, nice trips.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)15:18 No.14601844

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)15:18 No.14601844

Replies: >>14602152

do nothing. do marry women. let them all become old cat ladies like the ones i see on the street everyday. save your money and have a good time

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)15:27 No.14602152

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)15:27 No.14602152

Replies: >>14602247 >>14602276

>>14601844
Not marrying women and providing for them is misogyny. A feminist told me so.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)15:30 No.14602247

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)15:30 No.14602247

>>14602152
>misogyny

what are they going to do? force you to marry them?

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)15:30 No.14602254

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)15:30 No.14602254

Replies: >>14602556

it's so sad.. feminists per se are actually redpilled and acknowledge hidden powerstructures and agendas.
the problem is just that they go tricked into swallowing a counterfeit redpill which let's them see our sexes as opponents and disables them from seeing structures and agendas as anything else but blocks composed of males.

tl;dr /pol/ and ( SRS)feminism have more in common than either group will believe

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)15:31 No.14602276

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)15:31 No.14602276

>>14602152
Some feminists would tell you that marrying women and providing for them is the patriarchy being misogynist. Feminism contradicts itself because they can't even all agree on what the problems are.

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)15:39 No.14602556

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)15:39 No.14602556

>>14602254
The best outcome would be if they could realize that much of what they blame the patriarchy for is really either sociopaths being sociopaths (in the case of rapists, rape often isn't even the only crime they commit), or something bigger at work (in the case of any systematic discrimination they observe), and it's a problem for everyone, even if their subjective experiences with it may be different from the subjective experiences men have with the same thing because of how society segregates the boys and girls.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)15:43 No.14602727

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)15:43 No.14602727

Replies: >>14605353

>>14596230
>False rape accusations discredit rape victims, which reinforces rape culture, which is part of patriarchy.

Except the stupid cunt forgot that - to "ensure the REAL victims of rape feel safe and secure enough to come forward - feminists would much rather throw innocent men in jail than have the legal system even entertain the notion that rapists (like all other criminals) are innocent until proven guilty.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)15:49 No.14602934

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)15:49 No.14602934

Replies: >>14611093

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I almost got all the way.
ALMOST
But then my sides
> "Any pressures and expectations that lower the quality of life of any gender are part of patriarchy."
This isn't even feminist doublethink, this is just straight-up comedic madness.
ALL ILLS ARE THE WILL OF THE PATRIACHY
THE PARTIACHY KNOWS ALL
THE PATRIACHY SEES ALL

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)15:49 No.14602951

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)15:49 No.14602951

>>14598786
Because the Left in general believes that "progress" in one area will magically entail "progress" in another, no matter how unrelated.

Just look at the gay marriage debacle - with Leftards honestly believing whether ~4% of the total population being able to get married is as important as high youth under/unemployment or stagnant wages for unskilled workers

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)15:56 No.14603233

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)15:56 No.14603233

Replies: >>14606016

>>14596656
Her willful blindness is truly staggering, here.
This is A-grade doublethink.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)16:03 No.14603466

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)16:03 No.14603466

>>14596362
I don't think anyone was ever crying misandry, we were just saying women are spoiled and don't know it, and when they vehemently claim the opposite, we get annoyed.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)16:05 No.14603545

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)16:05 No.14603545

Replies: >>14603932

>>14596533
Someone should copy/paste this and flip all of the sex pronouns and see how it reads

>inb4 you do it

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)16:15 No.14603932

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)16:15 No.14603932

Replies: >>14604508

>>14603545
There's a site that automatically does it:
http://regender.com/swap/http://jezebel.com/5992479/if-i-admit-that-hating-men-is-a-thing-will-you-stop-turning-it-into-a-self+fulfilling-prophecy

>It is nearly impossible to address problems facing men—especially problems in which women are even tangentially culpable—without comments sections devolving into cries of "misogyny!" from women and replies of "misogyny isn't real" from men. Masculists are tired of this endless, fruitless turd-pong: hollow "conversation" built on willful miscommunication, bouncing back and forth, back and forth, until both sides throw up their hands and bolt. Maybe you are tired of this too. We seem to be having some very deep misunderstandings on this point, so let's unpack it. I promise not to yell.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)16:31 No.14604508

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)16:31 No.14604508

>>14603932
fucking beautiful.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)16:34 No.14604608

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)16:34 No.14604608

Replies: >>14604875

>>14596756
you are not the authors target audience
she didn't write it for you or me

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)16:41 No.14604875

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)16:41 No.14604875

Replies: >>14605045

>>14604608
but it sounds like that's who it's directed at

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)16:46 No.14605045

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)16:46 No.14605045

>>14604875
nah
it's just rhetoric for feminists to circlejerk over

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)16:55 No.14605353

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)16:55 No.14605353

Replies: >>14605607

>>14602727
Due process, you idiot.

So coming forward is the same as throwing someone in jail? Do you have ANY idea of the conviction rate of rape/molestation, you complete moron?

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)16:58 No.14605490

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)16:58 No.14605490

Replies: >>14605981

>>14594548 (OP)
>http://jezebel.com/5992479/if-i-admit-that-hating-men-is-a-thing-will-you-stop-turning-it-into-a-self+fulfilling-prophecy
My take on this is when some piece of shit feminist starts ranting, we should quote the first paragraph to her but replace
man with woman.
"Sorry bitch, but those problems you have, they're human problems. It is hard to be a human..."

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)17:01 No.14605607

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)17:01 No.14605607

>>14605353
False accusation of rape should be punished as harshly as rape

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)17:11 No.14605981

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)17:11 No.14605981

>>14605490
Yeah somebody did that on a feminist article a while back, and it actually fit far better and made more sense, was lol.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)17:11 No.14606016

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)17:11 No.14606016

>>14603233
There is in added barb in her attack that wouldn't be there if the sexes were simply reversed.
The bitch writer is labeling men who are antifeminists as weak and insufferable children who are whiners and cry babies who can't deal with life, all of which has extra power when said by a woman to a man.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)17:17 No.14606239

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)17:17 No.14606239

>Look at politicians, CEOs, film directors, law enforcement officers, comedians, tech professionals, executive chefs, mathematicians, and on and on and on—these fields are dominated by men. (And, in many cases, white men.)

Ok go start your own multi national, run for office, get your masters in mathematics.

whats that I hear you say? you don't wan't too?

what about your friends? no?

didn't think so. a happy woman is a pregnant woman.

men have the top positions in the all aspects of society because thats what they strive for not because it was given to them ass hat

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)17:30 No.14606692

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)17:30 No.14606692

Replies: >>14606909

I'd like to offer a challenge to women. Build a fucking bridge, but with only women workers, designers, engineers, etc.
Start your own all skirt engineering firm, secure a government contract, put together a team of strong talented metalworkers (heh).
Imagine how over budget and rickety that "bridge" would be.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)17:35 No.14606909

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)17:35 No.14606909

>>14606692
>implying that bridge would come close to getting built

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)17:42 No.14607259

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)17:42 No.14607259

Replies: >>14607918

>>14596043
>Though the two are functionally identical in terms of intellect and general competence,

Her whole Dr. Suess analogy is based on the flawed premise of >muh social constructs.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)17:50 No.14607596

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)17:50 No.14607596

Replies: >>14608646 >>14608714

This fucking shit. The reason I don't take feminists seriously is that they abjectly *refuse* to accept that there are gender-specific issues that negatively affect men (although they do allow for a short few under the banner of 'the patriarchy backfiring' as to absolve women of any guilt). This is the sole reason that the overly-reactionary MRA movement exists: Feminists refuse to say that male issues are a thing.

While this blatant denialism persists, so will anti-feminist sentiments and claims of misandry.

Why is it so fucking hard to accept that society's a bitch to everyone, and agree on that without pointing fingers and writing up hierarchies of who does and doesn't deserve sympathy?

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)17:56 No.14607918

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)17:56 No.14607918

Replies: >>14608694

>>14607259
Right...Men and Women are not nearly identical in terms of competence and intelligence. That's the fatal flaw in her argument and the thing none of us are allowed to say.
Men are superior in almost every way, some times vastly superior. Even though the feminist supposed trump card is that woman have more compassion, why is it that all the great non-violent and compassionate leaders like M. L. King, the Dali Lama, Gandhi, etc are all men.
I would think the feminist movement would have produced at least one great spokeswoman of kindness, understanding and love if they were even just EQUAL to men in that regard.

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)18:12 No.14608646

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)18:12 No.14608646

>>14607596
Agreed. Society is a bitch to everyone. They treat girls and boys differently, but the difference isn't better or worse treatment. The difference is which shit sandwich society is trying to make you eat. Assholes and cunts often cater their fits of malignance to be most detrimental to their audience on the basis of gender and/or race. This can give an illusion that it has anything to do with that, but really, they were just going to treat you like shit anyways (since usually, it's for their ego, sometimes for their convenience), and this is just their way of being a bigger asshole or cunt about it.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)18:13 No.14608694

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)18:13 No.14608694

>>14607918
I do think women have finally produced a great spokeswoman, and shes not a feminist...
http://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat/featured

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)18:13 No.14608703

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)18:13 No.14608703

>>14606416
8/10 would lel again

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)18:14 No.14608714

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)18:14 No.14608714

Replies: >>14609235 >>14609523

>>14607596
>overly-reactionary MRA movement

In my experience, many self-described MRAs (epecially on the mens' rights sub-Reddit and avoiceformen) seem quite liberal and actually seem to accept many tenets of feminism. They:

-Believe gender is a social construct
-Hate "traditional" gender roles and don't want to be men (/mlp/)
-Are glad traditional marriage is being destroyed
-Think housewives and SAHM are prostitutes and encourage women to enter the workforce
-Oppose female submission because it is allegedly a way to harm men (lel) and have a woman arguing this in articles.

You may be confused because feminists often conflate MRAs, PUAs, and ant-feminist traditionalists which have different ideologies.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)18:25 No.14609235

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)18:25 No.14609235

Replies: >>14609478

>>14608714
lel...gender a social construct.
I don't think MRAs accept that. They seem much more inclined to think rationally about the vast biological and evolutionary differences between the sexes than feminism,
and not simply use patheticly dishonest, diplomatic and ideological words like "equality" and "equal" as a warm blanket over everyone as the uppity feminists do.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)18:30 No.14609478

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)18:30 No.14609478

>>14609235
>I don't think MRAs accept that.

there are plenty of them that do, and that's going to be the feel-good bullshit that flourishes in a movement that gains any kind of popularity.

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)18:31 No.14609523

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)18:31 No.14609523

Replies: >>14610008

>>14608714
As someone who isn't well versed at all regarding gendered issues, this is all news to me. Feminists similarly have a bunch of subtypes of feminism which conflict with each other.

The reason I don't know a lot about gendered issues politics is because I see that these things people complain about on both sides, sometimes the same things, are really just debris from a bigger mess, and they're trying to clean it up, but the mess will pretty much remain, because the thing that made the mess is still at large.

But I guess if society can somehow clean up this social mess, that will leave people wide open to see more easily the fact that there are people deliberately agitating some of these problems, creating social friction between the sexes. Divide and conquer combined with diversion. Once that's gone, if it's so easy to get rid of without addressing the core problem, people will be more easily able to recognize and solve society's bigger problems.

anti-feminist, anti-multikulti(...) !/P0leFtiEQ
God Bless Schopenhauer 05/23/13(Thu)18:34 No.14609631

God Bless Schopenhauer anti-feminist, anti-multikulti leftie !/P0leFtiEQ 05/23/13(Thu)18:34 No.14609631

>>14595941
It amazes me how easily they can assert that absolutely everything that ever hurts anyone anywhere automatically hurts women, if not equally, then hurts them more.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)18:41 No.14610008

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)18:41 No.14610008

Replies: >>14610368 >>14610418 >>14610963 >>14611187 >>14612609

>>14609523
>the mess is still at large
The thing that made the mess is called biology. It is not correctable. Any "clean up" would favor certain instinctual drives at the expense of others, and new conflicts would arise as the repressed instincts started to demand satisfaction.
It is a no win situation. The most we could hope for is occasional and partial stability, which is what we more or less have right now.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)18:48 No.14610368

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)18:48 No.14610368

Replies: >>14612609

>>14610008
>occasional and partial stability, which is what we more or less have right now.

You should really read up on how men are treated by divorce law and family courts

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)18:49 No.14610418

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)18:49 No.14610418

Replies: >>14610838 >>14612609

>>14610008
>which is what we more or less have right now.

you're calling rampant feminism stable? ho ho ho

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)18:50 No.14610457

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)18:50 No.14610457

>>14597328

You're expecting a radfem to be able to understand basic logic and language. And we all know that will never happen.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)18:57 No.14610831

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)18:57 No.14610831

Replies: >>14611348 >>14612277

jesus christ I wish we could come to an agreement that every man who goes on about men's rights is either a loser or virgin and every woman who talks about feminism is ugly

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)18:58 No.14610838

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)18:58 No.14610838

Replies: >>14612609

>>14610418
>you're calling rampant feminism stable?
Not at all. I didn't mean for my comment to be read like that. I was thinking in larger and general terms about why humans will always have conflict and be dissatisfied.
But how would you go about putting women "back in their place" and what would that place look like?
Most of feminism's droll esteem building (like saying everything a man can do a woman can do better) is necessary for the same
reason we smile and tell retards they're special.

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)18:58 No.14610883

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)18:58 No.14610883

Replies: >>14610963

>>14595941

This is hypocritical, considering, that the same thing she said there could be said of feminists. It's really not misogyny/misandry's fault that people's lives suck.

Both stances of looking at problems as being misogyny/misandry are flawed because these problems are really part of a bigger system being played out. A certain social model which is detrimental to the majority of people, but benefits a minority, who finds it easier to influence the majority.

Most people have been somewhat homogenized, depersonalized, and there's a stronger norm than previously. This tendency society has towards less and less expressed individuality and more conformity is from how TV and the school system raises people. People are more predictable when there's a stronger and more strictly defined norm, and socially more easily controlled as well, when society is increasingly in the habit of treating people not as individuals, but as members of a group that people affiliate them with in their minds.

The problems are not going to go away unless what fucked up this generation isn't able to fuck up the next one. Seems idealistic to hope that will happen, the way things are going.

Society has a certain social system going, and it's not treating people better or worse on the basis of gender. It's gender-catering the shit sandwich it gives you, but you still get a shit sandwich either way.

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)19:00 No.14610963

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)19:00 No.14610963

Replies: >>14611289

>>14610008
see >>14610883

We're not talking about the same mess anymore. Biology didn't cause the mess I was refering to, it's degeneracy.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)19:03 No.14611093

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)19:03 No.14611093

Replies: >>14612610

>>14602934

This is just proof that feminism is less a political ideology and more of a religion. To feminists the idea of "patriarchy" has taken on the same role that the idea of satan or the devil has in most modern religions.

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)19:05 No.14611187

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)19:05 No.14611187

>>14610008
In terms of the mess you're thinking of, yeah, marriage is a fucking horrible mess. It interacts quite malignantly with the mess regular social is as well, but isn't the core cause of why regular social is a mess too, just aggravates it. I guess I'm lucky not to have the (sexual/reproductive) 'needs' other people have. Marriage just completely slips my mind unless people remind me it's beyond fucked.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)19:08 No.14611289

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)19:08 No.14611289

Replies: >>14611587

>>14610963
>degeneracy.

And feminism promotes a form of degeneracy.
They encourage the average women to hate (or at least mistrust and disrespect) their husband, fathers, sons, and brothers.
They tell women to become unfeminine and masculinized, while simultaneously promoting emasculated men.
They tell women that they be liberated by promiscuity and delaying marriage, and any man who disagrees hates women.
They create broken homes by encouraging women to divorce.
They create problem children by promoting single motherhood and "working 'moms'".
They have rigged the family court system with the "tender years doctrine."

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)19:09 No.14611348

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)19:09 No.14611348

Replies: >>14611517 >>14611907 >>14612609

>>14610831
>every man who goes on about men's rights is either a loser or virgin
Some of the MRAs membership is a bit 'unsuccessful' , but that doesn't mean the things being addressed are not relevant.
The amount of power and control women have over men, right down to dictating our own private pleasures and speech, is beyond belief.
Most men don't even realize how dominated they are by woman.
For example, why does the term 'man den' even exist? Most non loser men get to have one. You know why? Because the rest of the fucking house is HER den, including the "master" bedroom. He gets the garage to call his own if he's lucky.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)19:13 No.14611517

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)19:13 No.14611517

Replies: >>14612609

>>14611348
>ower and control women have over men
If you live with a woman you are one "domestic disturbance" phone call away from being evicted from your own home and having your life ruined. Even if she drops the charges, the law says prosecution for DV must continue. This is a tactic often used by women for a divorce because it gives them an upper hand in the family courts and divorce proceedings.

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)19:14 No.14611587

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)19:14 No.14611587

Replies: >>14611787 >>14612749

>>14611289
Agreed. My point was that the bigger problem that both sides of this complain about, though, at it's core, is just the same problem (degeneracy, and society's overall decline in morality and efficiency of doing things) seen from different perspectives.

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)19:19 No.14611787

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)19:19 No.14611787

>>14611587
>though,

This was superfluous. No wonder people complain some of my posts are 'word salad'.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)19:22 No.14611907

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)19:22 No.14611907

Replies: >>14612609

>>14611348
>why does the term 'man den' even exist?
Why does the term "bachelor pad" exist, and why is their no comparable term for a woman's pad when she's living alone. A man gives up his way of living and has it replaced and dictated by
the woman's preferences. Even if he gets a garage workshop, she'll be endlessly rolling her dull evil eyes about it and demanding he keep it clean.

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)19:31 No.14612277

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)19:31 No.14612277

Replies: >>14612749

>>14610831

I'm really hoping that feminism vs MRAs just remains what it is: a bunch of highly stressed out people at the fringes of society pretty much having a gendered fight club. I'd like to think it's pretty much irrelevant to the bigger issues, but if they can (perhaps miraculously, the way they tend to go at it) do something about the divorce rate being 50%, it'd be great.

I̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶h̶o̶p̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶i̶m̶p̶o̶r̶t̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶i̶s̶s̶u̶e̶,̶ ̶b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶i̶s̶,̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶m̶e̶a̶n̶s̶ ̶s̶o̶c̶i̶e̶t̶y̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶b̶e̶y̶o̶n̶d̶ ̶f̶u̶c̶k̶e̶d̶.̶

Society is beyond fucked. Sometimes, I don't even know why I even try to help.

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)19:39 No.14612609

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)19:39 No.14612609

>>14610008
>>14610418
>>14610368
>>14610838
>>14611348
>>14611517
>>14611907

So are we all in agreement that being unmarried is great? Or what?

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)19:39 No.14612610

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)19:39 No.14612610

Replies: >>14612768

>>14611093

>To feminists the idea of "patriarchy" has taken on the same role that the idea of satan or the devil has in most modern religions.

or Jews on /pol/

Just sayin

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)19:39 No.14612636

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)19:39 No.14612636

>>14599513
FLAWLESS VICTORY!

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)19:40 No.14612688

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)19:40 No.14612688

Replies: >>14612790

>sorry if your life is shitty as a man!
>but feminism definitely isn't going to make your life easier because we hate you for shit your ancestors did!

how can you win when you are held accountable for things you don't even do?

the author is soft-admitting how ruthlessly shitty women are, but then is going: well that's humanity.

oh that's humanity, huh? 1st worlder talking about humanity, does it get any more retarded than that?

humanity is more like men are fine with women and their endeavours, but men can be laughed at with any shortcoming:

>small penis? laugh.
>virgin? laugh.
>loser? laugh.
>poor? laugh.
>can't get it up? laugh
>can't get stiff? laugh.
>cums too fast? that's a huge problem.
>bullied? suck it up.
>something bad happened? suck it up

>stop whining
>stop whining
>ACCEPT EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO YOU WITHOUT RESISTANCE, PLEASE
>ALLOW ME TO MANIPULATE YOU

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)19:42 No.14612749

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)19:42 No.14612749

Replies: >>14612889 >>14613152

>>14611587
I think feminism is one of many movements that have encouraged degeneracy and are therefore a causal factor of it rather than merely a symptom.

>>14612277
>do something about the divorce rate being 50%, it'd be great.
For starters we could get rid of this (relatively) newfangled no-fault divorce.
We could end "community property," alimony, stealth-alimony built into CS, and imputing of income. These all currently act to financially incentivize women to divorce (women initiate 2/3 of divorces)
Adultery could be re-criminalized and a person could once again be able to sue the seducer of their spouse for "alienation of affection."
Our culture needs to be cleansed of pro-divorce messages marketed to women such as the book/movie "Eat, Pray, Love"
We could also stop teaching women to hate men from the time they are children.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)19:42 No.14612768

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)19:42 No.14612768

>>14612610

Except the Jews thing has some actual factual backing behind it. I'm not ready to say that all Jews are evil yet, but next time you see a pro gun confiscation or die cis scum article look at the author's name. It's very enlightening.

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)19:42 No.14612790

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)19:42 No.14612790

>>14612688
It's really the same shit sandwich either way. That's what feminists don't realize.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)19:45 No.14612889

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)19:45 No.14612889

Replies: >>14613712

>>14612749
feminism only encourages degeneracy because women were considered inferior by constantly being held to lower standards and thus had to work for much

If feminism was about holding women to the same standards as men to get the same levels of respect, we'd be living in a utopia.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)19:46 No.14612929

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)19:46 No.14612929

>>14594548 (OP)

The guy looks so happy in that pic

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)19:51 No.14613148

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)19:51 No.14613148

>>14596043
>(Stick with me here! I love you!)

Even if her article was 100% correct I'd still call it bullshit. Fucking patronizing, cunt.

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)19:51 No.14613152

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)19:51 No.14613152

>>14612749
>I think feminism is one of many movements that have encouraged degeneracy and are therefore a causal factor of it rather than merely a symptom.

I'm inclined to agree with this, because sometimes symptoms of a problem do end up being causal factors of the problem continuing to be agitated. The original cause is pretty much history now.

>For starters we could get rid of this (relatively) newfangled no-fault divorce.
>We could end "community property," alimony, stealth-alimony built into CS, and imputing of income. These all currently act to financially incentivize women to divorce (women initiate 2/3 of divorces)
>Adultery could be re-criminalized and a person could once again be able to sue the seducer of their spouse for "alienation of affection."
>Our culture needs to be cleansed of pro-divorce messages marketed to women such as the book/movie "Eat, Pray, Love"
>We could also stop teaching women to hate men from the time they are children.

You're right. I don't see why society decided to fix what wasn't broken, aside from the feelings of some children who were spoiled a long time ago and who are getting old now.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)19:57 No.14613451

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)19:57 No.14613451

>>14597706
>egg her

gotta make sure that if the eggs on the inside of her uterus wont be used, that at least some will

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)20:00 No.14613618

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)20:00 No.14613618

>Also, he referred to circumcision as "genital mutilation." I get that it's a very heated and multifaceted issue, but calling it genital mutilation is too close to equating it with female genital mutilation for my taste.

Fucking Americlaps and their Jewess overlords.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)20:03 No.14613712

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)20:03 No.14613712

>>14612889
Yeah and if we adopted Communism and tried really hard this time, we'd be living in a utopia.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)20:18 No.14614494

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)20:18 No.14614494

Replies: >>14614664 >>14614696

>>14596324
>MUH PATRIARCHY
>It doesn't fucking exist. Jesus fucking Christ.

Sure it does. And Feminism exists because the Patriarchy wills it (and profits from it)

Nazi with Apathy
05/23/13(Thu)20:22 No.14614664

Nazi with Apathy 05/23/13(Thu)20:22 No.14614664

>>14614494
lol'd hard

This post just has to be sarcastic.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)20:22 No.14614696

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)20:22 No.14614696

Replies: >>14615118

>>14614494
>Sure it does. Feminism exists because the Patriarchy wills it (and profits from it)
>Feminism exists because the Patriarchy wills it

Please explain.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)20:22 No.14614700

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)20:22 No.14614700

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>>14594548 (OP)
Jezebel...I knew I shouldn't... what's the point? Lindy West...I knew i shouldn't...

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)20:23 No.14614752

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)20:23 No.14614752

Replies: >>14614832

Slightly unrelated but....
>last night at a small bar near my house
>overhear a conversation wherein a woman in her late 20s was telling her >whiteknighting guy friend a story about how she used a guy all last Friday night for free drinks, leading him on, and then saying "sorry bud, but sometimes things don't work out" and ditching his ass
>wk guy mocking the victim: yeah man, trying being better looking next time brah
>all of my rage

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)20:25 No.14614832

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)20:25 No.14614832

>>14614752
That's pretty funny though.

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)20:30 No.14615044

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)20:30 No.14615044

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>>14596188
>Feminists do not want you to lose custody of your children. The assumption that women are naturally better caregivers is part of patriarchy.
>Feminists do not like commercials in which bumbling dads mess up the laundry and competent wives have to bustle in and fix it. The assumption that women are naturally better housekeepers is part of patriarchy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYyGTmcP80

This whole section is word-for-word part of this bitch's speech

Anonymous
05/23/13(Thu)20:32 No.14615118

Anonymous 05/23/13(Thu)20:32 No.14615118

>>14614696

very quickly, because i have to leave for work but:

the elite, the blueblood old wealth, the 1%, the wealthy and powerful barrons of industry, the owners of banks, are all mostly men.

they allow women to work, they want women in the work force, more people working, more spending, more household debt. women love to spend money, and now that she has it she spends spends spends, and the elite make money by selling the wares.

that house that costs 300k really should be valued at 150k. but you'll spend the extra money, because hey, both the husband and wife have careers.


women are majority the decision makers in the household re money and spending. per some article I read

IDK, just a thought... probably a half baked one at that