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ITT Liberals (or ex-liberals) of /pol/ discuss how /pol/ has affected our belief systems.

I dont mean the troll liberals, the /pol/iticians who lean left.

for me:

>voted Obama in twice
>denied the holohoax before /pol/
>/pol/ made me question the tax system
>question big government
>question feminism
>question western politics as a whole
>question how liberals feel about our rights
>question why I disliked right wing ideology
>question the jews


I still lean left, but I am happy to say I no longer see myself as a liberal and am towards center, I have begun to despise them in the news, when I had supported them before /pol/. I still voted for Obama second round, as Romeny is an idiot, but I no longer see a difference between them.

Thank you /pol/ for the half of a red pill I managed to keep down.

anyone else?
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>>12606399 (OP)
fuck off liberal scum
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I didn't need /pol/ to influence by belief system. I was aware for years based on observing sites and happenings in general that Liberalism has turned into a fucking religion filled with logical fallacies and demonization and ostracizing of anyone who doesn't "belong" in it while taking up a superiority complex based on subjective and invented moral superiority.
"Your rights end where my feelings begin" bullshit is getting more and more fucking irritating each and every fucking day.
I remember when liberalism wasn't about nurturing sissies and victim complexes, seems those days are long past.
I'm neither liberal anymore nor the opposite, i'm now in the middle ground.

The only thing /pol/ has taught me is to really enforce and expand the usage of "Devil's Advocate" and open my mind to all angles and possibilities no matter how controversial or non-controversial they might be or seem.
That's about the gist of it.
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bump
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I was and still am pretty liberal, but I was also aware that there is a difference between a liberal and a Democrat.

/pol/ is basically Tumblr for white people.
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>>12608092
Nah, /pol/ is pretty fucking diverse.
That's why we all constantly have arguments and most threads thrive, there is argumentative and ideological diversity that brings up many angles to discussions. No conformity or anything unless some stuff is REALLY fucking getting on everyone's and i mean any rational OR irrational man's nerves no matter how much of a tolerance level they have.
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>tfw economic liberal
>tfw extreme social conservative

EMBRACE SOCIAL AUTHORITARIANISM
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bump for more convo
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>>12608665
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/pol/ made me a lot more socially liberal

previously, I hadn't been all that socially aware, I'd just kind of formed my own biases and whatnot without ever being challenged on them or needing to properly explore them

Then I came to /pol/, where people were trying to argue the same views as those I thought I held, once I realized that I sounded like that I started questioning myself

Also, seeing my own views taken to their natural conclusion and seeing that I was patently wrong was strange

I'd always been the type to say corny shit like 'you're all asleep, you're just pawns', then I came here and realized quite how insane I sounded
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I'm basically center-left fiscally and left socially.

>Hate Israel and Zionist Jews. I don't trust Jewish people.
>Black people are okay, I exclusively hate trash from every race.
>Rehabilitation is much better and effective than incarceration. The death penalty doesn't work.
>Let gay people get married and stop fucking talking about it.
>Under no circumstances should anyone's weapons be taken away.
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>>12609386
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>>12609075

There are very few people on the Internet who actually admit when they're wrong.

So, kudos to you!
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>>12606399 (OP)
Fuck you halfpilled mongrel
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>>12611392

so you dislike even those who are slowly beginning to convert your own beliefs?

you sir, are the problem with any political ideology.

props to OP for being open minded
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>>12609386
>>Let gay people get married and stop fucking talking about it.
lol why
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>>12609386
>Rehabilitation is much better and effective than incarceration. The death penalty doesn't work.

you should probably focus on decriminalizing nonviolent crimes
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Exposes hur dur liberals for muh feels and has show me a lot of evidence that what most liberals want is hilariously useless.
>muh feels
>muh inaccurate statistics
>muh myth banwagons

Also the being a woman or a minority is much better than being a man if you're looking to get into a school or a job.

The fact that there are white people and men who have just as challenging of a life as women and minorities in America who can't get hired or scholarships/acceptance just because of race and sex quotas.

These initiative to have quotas are hurting us. Not only are we forced to work with and be educated next to less qualified and or less intelligent people simply because of race or gender makes me angry. People say we need equality, but forcing balance does not work. You can't just shove all the under qualified niggers and women at me and expect me to be happy that im working with a bunch of people who were ahead of hard workers.

Just imagine how you would feel when you found out your 100 average, community work for school, and SAT scores that were better than jamal's 90s and good SAT scores . I would feel angry. I would feel promoted to be racist. I am being discriminated against because im white or not a woman. Can you imagine how ape shit the woymn and non whites would be if we got scholarships and acceptance to work or colleges simply because we were white?
There would be riots. They would hang white people. Yet it is ok that they do this and force us to integrate regardless of performance risks

To think we're putting unintelligent people ahead of those who work hard is preposterous. In school we are constantly reminded that we should work as hard as we can, but in truth it doesn't matter
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>>12611710
besides religious reasons, why not?

Im not going to pretend being gay isnt fucked up, an obvious problem in the brain and all around stupid, but any person should have the freedom to marry another human.
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>>12606399 (OP)
Yes it hard for them to be different when they are cousins
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>>12611838
because of the costs of changing the overhead, because the amount of men who would use gay marriage to their advantage who arent gay is probably a larger percentage of people that would actually get married because theyre gay.

i literally have the opposite point of view that you do, that gays aren't really fucked up, but legalized governmental gay marriage is not worth it
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>>12611948

>because the amount of men who would use gay marriage to their advantage who arent gay is probably a larger percentage of people that would actually get married because theyre gay.

[Citation Needed]
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>>12611991
how many gays exist

how many gays will get married
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>>12612023

How does that prove that they're going to use that to their advantage?

Wait, don't heterosexual couples already do that?
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>>12608228
for the most part, although most of /pol/ will laugh at you if you express any pro jewish or pro black/hispanic nonwhite shit
>>12609386
oh wow, that describes me well. Although I personally am for the assault weapons ban and magazine restrictions.
>>12611838
It's not so much a brain issue, I think it's much more likely to be genetic (being gay I wouldn't exactly consider myself fucked up). there's quite a few gays and lesbians in my extended family
>>12611948
>because of the costs of changing the overhead, because the amount of men who would use gay marriage to their advantage who arent gay is probably a larger percentage of people that would actually get married because theyre gay.
Oh wow, Haven't heard that one before, I don't see why you should deny people the right to get legalized marriage because a handful of retards do it for tax fraud, I mean there's quite a few of us gays around man
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>>12608665
>>12608934
fuckin lol
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>>12612090
no, i mean regular guys will get 'married' to their advantage

>Wait, don't heterosexual couples already do that?
>lets add flames to the fire, because two wrongs totally make a right

>>12612115
the highest, *highest* estimates are 10%, and that's for obviously liberal polls

lets not forget that gays are statistically incredibly unfaithful
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>>12612115
>pro Jewish
That's because everyone both right and left sees the hypocrisy and the transparency of Jews.
>Blacks
Because they are through history the worst ethnicity constantly in existence with a culture revolving gang, crime, drugs, rap, banging and being a general subhuman.
Every other immigrant ethnicity be it Irish, Eastern European, whatever, even fucking Mexican, managed somewhat adapt and produce a good number of productive individuals while blacks are always pushed (or push themselves) into last place in that regard.
>Mexicans
50-50
/pol/ hates the fucking crime, the stench and the drug culture, but /pol/ also can't negate the fact that unlike blacks, Mexicans actually build shit, contribute, WORK, have some good happy music and food is fucking great.
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>>12612394
>/pol/ hates the fucking crime, the stench and the drug culture, but /pol/ also can't negate the fact that unlike blacks, Mexicans actually build shit, contribute, WORK, have some good happy music and food is fucking great.

Mexicans are the modern italians of the early 20th century, theyre already on the fast track to being integrated
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>>12612394
I also forgot, the part about black crime culture,
do you know what other animals in existence have such a culture?
Only 2: Gypsies and Ausie Aboriginals.
No other ethnicity or nationality on this fucking planet has a "crime CULTURE" apart from niggers, Gypsies, Ausie Aboriginals.
Let that sink in people and you decide on which is the worst among these.
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>>12612322
the norm in polls is 5 percent, which is still 15 million people and its far easier for a few straight guys to do tax evasion then get married as that would cause a host of problems. As to the unfaithfulness part. That's primarily because up until now there wasn't exactly any recognition for most gays that any relationship they were in even existed. Basically imagine dating for years knowing you'd never actually be getting married. That makes unfaithfulness a bit more common because they didn't see the point in sticking around. Although that's been disappearing lately(I know quite a few gays who don't fuck around too)
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>>12608228
But we also have so, so many threads about "bawww I hate liberals".
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>>12612322
>lets not forget that gays are statistically incredibly unfaithful
because straight people aren't? Not too many people are faithful anymore in this day and age.
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>>12612597
>Basically imagine dating for years knowing you'd never actually be getting married. That makes unfaithfulness a bit more common because they didn't see the point in sticking around

that's a fucking bullshit point, marriage isnt necessary for love. a LOT of hetero people don't get married

>I know quite a few gays who don't fuck around too
yeah, me too. in comparison to the rest of the population they don't even hold a candle though
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>Dislike minorities
>questions why we need to continuously increase taxes
>hate feminism
>why am I getting all my information from my mom...

But seriously you guys take it too far too. Abortions and butt buddies seem fine to me. Get your stupid fucking religious morals out of your party.
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>>12612757
>because straight people aren't? Not too many people are faithful anymore in this day and age.

maybe not in the city, but in more rural areas, you know, where the rest of the country lives, infidelity is much less common
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>>12612826
>maybe not in the city, but in more rural areas, you know, where the rest of the country lives, infidelity is much less common
HA
I live in a rural as fuck area, that is the most bullshit statement I've heard in years. Infidelity is JUST as common here don't kid yourself
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I think pol has made me more socially conservative
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>>12606399 (OP)
>voted Obama in twice
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>>12612783
>that's a fucking bullshit point, marriage isnt necessary for love. a LOT of hetero people don't get married
Well then what is it for for gay people? Technically without adoption or surrogacy they can't have kids, so marriage for them is simply about love, and if you can't do that. I guess it seems easier to fuck around since there's not as much guilt.
>yeah, me too. in comparison to the rest of the population they don't even hold a candle though
with a 50% divorce rate I'd hardly be comparing candles bro, any group having marriages seems like a decent idea
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>>12612881
so bro, what city do you live in then
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>>12606399 (OP)
>influenced by /pol/
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>>12612969
Marriage is about tax breaks retard. Just let them have it so they can shut the fuck up and stop dancing in the street.
Let them all get divorced and upset over their lost assets.
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>>12613098
city? I live in susquehanna county pennsylvania, The nearby town has a thousand so people. Infidelity and divorce is pretty common around here. Don't try to kid anyone that rural areas suddenly are a bastion for marriage
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>>12613162
i have a lot of family in ohio, and there's no infidelity there

also you must live in the city to be able to compare infidelity rates, right?
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>>12613127
but which one gets to keep the house? the one that likes it in the ass?
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>>12612969
>Technically without adoption or surrogacy they can't have kids, so marriage for them is simply about love, and if you can't do that. I guess it seems easier to fuck around since there's not as much guilt
>I guess it seems easier to fuck around since there's not as much guilt

>i cant get married so i might as well say fuck it with exclusive partners
>i need to government to tell me i need to be monogamous
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Socially Conservative.
Fiscally Conservative.

/pol/ made me a normal human being. Never trust a Liberal.
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>>12613211
I live near two cities of about 50k people each(larger metro areas, they're 40 minutes away), shit isn't any different
but seriously divorce is everywhere. There is no drop off point where suddenly divorces stop and happy marriages begin.
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>>12609386
>The death penalty doesn't work.
Keep telling yourself that. There are no drug couriers in China as China has been doing a good job at it.
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>>12613247
good question anon
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>>12613299
>i cant get married so i might as well say fuck it with exclusive partners
You've never seen the retarded thought processes people come up with have you? that's probably crossed a few minds
>well this relationship isn't exactly going anywhere, why do i even need to stay in it?
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>>12613325
the death penalty is inefficient as fuck, they still need to house them for years
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>>12613355
>well this relationship isn't exactly going anywhere, why do i even need to stay in it?

you can say that regardless of marriage status tard
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I lean left, but I'm actually rooting for the right to crush this crazy liberal shit.

I don't believe in God, or follow any religion, but I hate these edgy atheist teens who need to attack Christianity every chance they get.

I believe in equality for every race of people, and I support people coming to America...legally. But that doesn't mean I'm ashamed to be white, and I refuse to listen to people claiming they are kept down.

I believe in women's rights, but this whole rape-culture anti-men, neo-feminism shit is WAY too absurd. SRS needs to be destroyed.

I don't like Jews, and I absolutely hate Israel.

I support gun rights.

There are a few other issues I lean left on, but most everyone on my side has gone insane and they need to be stopped.
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>>12613411
you get the point retard, if they can't exactly climb to the top of the mountain why are they even trying? hence why they cheat and shit.
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>voted for Obama once
>typical leftist

after /pol/

>hate obama
>far right libertarian
>hate niggers, jews, deny the holocaust
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>>12608228
lul...I wrote that.
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>>12613107
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>>12613470
You went from being one kind of idiot to being a different kind. I don't see how that helps.
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I used to be a liberal, and I loved the democratic party goddammit.


After I started delving deeper into internet, I discovered the the lies.

I learned the truth about 9/11, buildiberg, etc after watching documentaries in school. I also read 1984.

I've only started on /pol/ since the beginning of this year, but I have dramatically changed my ideals.

I hate Hillary Clinton and love Ron Paul.
I used to think Assault Rifles were bad, now they are vital towards freedom.
I used to love communism, I love free markets and city-state systems now.
I used to be pro-choice and pro-feminism, now I hate cackling cunts and their abortions.
I hate how my dick is cut now, and how everyone used to tell me how my circumsision was "cleaner".
I like other race than the jews, I know some nice ones but they still can be dicks.

I hate the state, but I rely on it alot. I'm gonna neet it and ditch when the time comes
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>>12606399 (OP)
I used to consider myself a Social Democrat or, in my darkest moment, an Anarcho-communist.

Now:
>Think Hitler was a pretty cool dude who didn't afraid of anything
>Nationalist, not globalist
>Identify Illuminati with Jewish bankers
>question feminism, gay rights
>resent political correctness
>still a socialist but distrustful of democracy
>republicans > democrats
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>>12613127
>let them have tax breaks for contributing nothing.
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/pol/ converted me from paleoconservative to socialist

don't know what board you've been reading
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>>12613599
better gut the tax breaks for all married couples then
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I think all of us need to save up money and move to a small island. I really think it would work out great. I wouldn't mind living with you guys, even though we don't agree on many issues.
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>actually letting /pol/ influence your opinions to a large degree

This is basically admitting that you're a dumb motherfucker that can't think for himself
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>>12613594
That's weird, I became a social democrat after hanging out on /pol/. Maybe I just found something I most identify with.
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>>12613453
cheating results from not being able to marry

do you know how retarded this sounds
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Started off Democrat liberal, ended up radical centrist.

I strongly dislike National Socialism as a whole, but reading this board sort of makes me sympathize with them as individuals.
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I have come to realize that the republic are a lie and democracy/anarchy is the only way to ensure freedom. Freedom is chaotic in nature and legislation will only serve an oligarchy in the end. The best way to spread democracy is through the conquest and destruction of all states.
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>>12613719
one of many causes, but do please keep up the generalization
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>>12613638
good, lets do it
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>>12613693
Thought I was the only one.
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>>12613750
aren't you generalizing that gays are more moral than straight people, since apparently heteros don't need any reason to be unfaithful, but gays are only unfaithful because the government says they can't marry? so then, gays are either MORE moral than straights, or they complain that they can't get benefits and marry for money
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>>12611297
Sure it's on the internet. IRL, there's pride. If you have pride on an anonymous imageboard, you have some kind of underlying insecurity
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/pol/ has made me much more liberal because it highlights the fallacies of conservative and libertarian thought.
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>how /pol/ has affected our belief systems.

In no way whatsoever, and I pitty those swayed by the mass mentality of "hurr durr red pilled! and JIDF!". This infantile, black and white conception of the world can never be legitimised in my eyes.
I'm too educated for that shit, sorry.
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>>12613805
more like pointing out a specific reason for gays being unfaithful, don't know where you got that gays are more MORAL than straight people. Obviously you also get your douchebags who just fuck around on everyone just like in hetero realtionships
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>>12613876
Relationships*
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>>12613831
but there are none
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>>12613693
>>12613791
What made you guys change your minds?

For me it was a big Nazi redpill thread, I was ready for it because I had already come to the conclusion that the Illuminati were a real thing but I had no idea how to identify them (because JEWS was at the tip of my tongue but my P.C. brain wouldn't let me say it). It's liberating and empowering and very personal to be a national socialist, as compared to a globalist democratic socialist, it feels more like a community endeavour than a racial one.

I still can't into racism, though. Just patriotic camaraderie and collaboration towards a higher culture and quality of life.
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>>12613866
That's how it *should* affect you.
I first came here for the White Nationalist circlejerk. After really analyzing my own beliefs, I ended up voting for Jill Stein in 2012.
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>>12613965
stop fucking lying, there's no way this could happen
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>>12608665
so, basically, you're a Republican
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>>12606399 (OP)
>I am happy to say I no longer see myself as a liberal

Don't give up on the word liberal to describe yourself. It needs to be reclaimed by liberty lovers. The progressive authoritarians have abused it enough.
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>>12613387
>death penalty is inefficient as fuck, they still need to house them for years
In the US maybe where you are housed there due to all the appeals. If you are a criminal and evidence is strong, you get killed immediately in China.

There was uproar among Australians and Filipinos when they killed off drug couriers of their respective nationals. The event was hilarious.

Get this. They called the Chinese barbarians for killing their own nationals for selling drugs into their country. Two nations have "muh feels" based as an argument, like the liberals are doing now.
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>>12613866

You sound awfully euphoric. Enlightened by your own intelligence, I take it?
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>>12613589
that means alot coming from an anonymous person on the internet.
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>>12613831

>Liberal
>Less fallacious

Considering the entire history has been a long and unbroken chain of "Muh feels", there's only one place for your conclusion to go.
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>>12613994
Well, it did.
Initially I felt that national socialism was the truth, and that the white man was being persecuted, until I realized I was acting exactly like the kind of person I hated--obsessed with advancing racial political agendas and pushing propaganda. I never bothered to question my newfound beliefs, because question my old beliefs seemed to be enough.
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>>12614207
>>12614155
seems someones a tad upset the liberals came out of the woodwork
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>>12613638
>Stop liking what I don't like!
>since mentally ill people do not have these benefits, normal people shouldn't too!

Faggots, not even once.
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>>12614207
>accuses others of "muh feelings"
>posts a whiny strawman attack slathered with /v/ shitposting
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>>12614252
mad that you got pointed out on the hypocrisy there?
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>>12614240

Why would I be upset? You people are the easiest to troll.
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>voted for only one Republican from 2000-2012
>started looking at light PUA stuff in 2002
>started looking at more aggressive PUA stuff in 2004
>picked up little fragments of observations about gender behavior from discussions
>carried this around and observed things for myself, especially the idea that women prostitute themselves for goods
>got into /b/ in 2008, get to know how people talk about these issues when anonymous, find it all clicking
>someone posts Baumeister "Sexual Economics" article on /b/, confirms things that have been milling around in my mind
>still think I'm someone "alone" in these observations
>look up "pussy cartel" and various phrases on Google to see if anyone else sees this
>find MGTOW sites, then MRA sites
>didn't want to post there though because MRAs (MGTOWs especially) are suspicious of trolls and still use alpha male behavior they picked up from PUA sites, so go to /pol/ instead
>Sandy Hook, sees liberals on liberal boards acting like faggots about guns and using shit-tier namecalling and rhetoric
>pissed as fuck, see through liberal mob tactics and feel-based policy, decide I'm no longer liberal
>spend days on /pol/ during winter vacation
>also meanwhile get pissed at black people fucking things up, eating behind counter at place I eat and other disgusting behavior, pick up race realism information and go to AmRen
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>>12613589
Go away SRS.
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>>12614155

> awfully euphoric

Yes, yes I am, I come to /pol/ only for mental masturbation and sometimes trolling stormafag threads but other than that there is not much to be gained here.
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>>12614252
>lets waste taxes on entitlements no one uses

fuck you
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>>12613107
Why not?

When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?
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>>12614289
ah yes because I'm seeing a lot of butthurt liberals responding to your post. so much trolling going on. top lel
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>>12606399 (OP)
/pol/ has made me realize how widespread the cognitive dissonance and willful ignorance spreads on both the left and right.
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>>12614289
>posted the le edgy tripfag butthurt enough to save pictures of people he doesn't like
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>>12606399 (OP)
/pol/ actually made me more liberal in many regards.
>more for gun control after seeing how fucking crazy you guys and /k/umstains are about your toys
>more for taxing the rich because most of you privilegefags are little shits about the poor but have never experienced it
>more anti-religion because of your pseduoscience bullshit and dogmatic approach to "Christian Identity"
>more for social democracy and multiculturalism (lel)
More conservative:
>Anti-Israel and zionism

inb4 JIDF "Hi Schlomo" lololol
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>>12614287
What hypocrisy? The fact that married couples provide future generations manpower and human resources while faggots don't?

>>12614297
>stop liking what I don't like!
>implying you're not a butthurt faggot
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>>12613664
>actually letting SRS influence your opinions to a large degree

This is basically admitting that you're a dumb motherfucker that can't think for himself
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>>12614415
>kids
HA, there are a LOT more tax breaks for married couples the just for kids kiddo
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>>12614415
>stop liking what I don't like!
>lets throw free money away because the idea of love omigosh just makes me feel so good inside :)
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>>12614292
>AmRen
Full of lies and propaganda, just like the liberal media. Nothing but smear campaigns and commands to "believe what I believe"; it's very popular among Fox Jews for a reason.
The Zionists are everywhere, not just on the left.
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>>12606399 (OP)

Not a liberal but I did start questioning the holocaust when I was 7. I didn't think that the number was very "kosher" on it's face.
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>>12614404

so in other words you don't like freedom
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>>12614404

Other than gun control and zionism I would agree with you. But I rarely get mad at /pol/ or take it seriously since we are talking about a very passive range of people. Hell soccer moms are more influential and active than /pol/ on the internet alone.
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>>12614511
he is literally a communist
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>>12614496

Good thing I'm no longer a liberal and no longer accept blanket smears of sources, but rather arguments against specific ideas and cited facts.
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>>12613594
A while ago:
>Believe guns should be controlled
>Believe holocaust
>Dislike feminism but still believe that women are somewhat oppressed
>Be christian
>Think black people are normal people
>Think jews are normal people
>Think homosexuals are normal people
>Hitler was evil

Directly before /pol/:
>Disbelieve holocaust
>Hate niggers
>Hate feminists
>Jews are normal people
>Be atheist
>Believe guns shouldn't be controlled as strictly as previously
>don't like loud and proud gays but the average gay is a normal person
>Hitler wasn't evil, respect his power and leadership abilities

After /pol/:
>Limit my water intake
>Refuse to take any unnecessary medicines (antidepressants, ADHD medication, etc.)
>Feminists are scum, need to be genocided (knew this already, refused to go that far)
>Niggers are scum, need to be genocided (convinced by a combination of the niggers around me and /pol/)
>Still not completely convinced on the jews
>Fags are scum, need to be genocided (FCKH8 actually convinced me of this, not /pol/)
>Gun control is evil, virtually no people die gun related deaths but national media reports on every single one
>Holocaust is a complete lie designed to create and secure Israel
>Be christian again
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUyDcGSMPEQ I cri evertim

>>12614386
Avatars are scum, you need to be hung from a flagpole by your scrotum
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>>12614479
>tax breaks means throwing free money away while welfare stamps for Dayshaun and birth control pills for the feminist slut isn't
lel.

What liberals actually believe.
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>>12614404
I mostly agree, but I feel that multiculturalism should return to the "melting pot" philosophy, and I feel more lax about gun control because I realized that gun nuts just want to sit around basking in Rambo fantasies.
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>>12613664
>hold opinion
>get presented with facts that prove your opinion is wrong
>ignore facts and keep opinion anyway


Ladies and Gentlemen, I present: the Liberal.
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>>12614523
honestly I find it funny how /pol/ is always raging at us, because honestly its correct, we control the world! and what do the conservatives on /pol/ have? an imageboard
I come here to drink the conservative rage whenever something pops up
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>>12614559
>well regulated militia means less regulations and more firepower for everyone!

What burgerclaps achually belive
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>>12614558
>christian
>supporter of genocide
hahaha oh wow
and i thought the liberals were delusional
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>>12614435
>the just for kids kiddo
>the just for kids
>the
I'm really having a hard time believing liberals are smarter when you can't even get your grammar right while being incoherent at the same time.
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>>12614576
>facts
my sides, this is /pol/ we're talking about son. the "facts" consist of
>JIDF
>SRS
>"Redpilling"
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>>12614559
yeah because complaining about tax breaks is totally a liberal thing to do

go home faggot
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>>12614619
>has non rebuttal
>focuses on a typing area
ladies and gentlemen, the conservative
also joys of typing fast, every so often you miss a key
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worst thread

LOL

all /pol/ did was push me more into the left seeing how fucked people are here

and I still only come here to motivate myself into knowing how delusional the right wing are

I mean straight up some of you blame multi culturalism for problems strictly to do with immigration, fucking ridiculous
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>>12614609
>Implying Europe is better in its system

You have a military set up for your aristocracies whims. You have no right to talk brah.
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i was heavily indoctrinated as a liberal by my farther, but as i got older and realised more and more that hes was an alcoholic retard. /pol/ didn't awaken me, i did that on my own, but /pol/ gave me a place to unlike any other to challenge my new beliefs and learn from other people with think differently.

thank you /pol/ you quickly overcame /tg/ to became my new home board
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>>12614559
>>12614576
>LOOK LOOK THIS IS PROOF THAT EVERYBODY THAT DISAGREES WITH ME IS PART OF A GIGANTIC GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ONLY I CAN DEFINE
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>fiscally conservative
>socially very liberal
>tfw /pol/ has only solidified my beliefs

If /pol/ has swayed you in any way you're probably an impressionable teen from /v/.
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>>12606399 (OP)

/pol/ really hasn't influenced my beliefs policy wise, but it has made me have a larger dislike for anarchists, and libertarians.
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>>12614558
LOL
>limit my water intake
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AND THE REST O F THE SHIT TYPED LLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

under age B&

>be christian again
>be spewing violence

under age b& autism right wing detected
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>>12614609
>implying I'm American
Lel.

Keep making blanket-statements son. Just shows what the left really believe about the boogeyman conservative coming to get them.

>>12614635
>complaining about tax breaks
>not liberal
This is totally liberal.

A libertarian would be happy that there are less taxes from government. It's pretty obvious where you come from. Back there you go.
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>>12614557
Except you apparently do, since you browse AmRen.
Your obsession with hating others will be the end of you.
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>>12614307

>I actually use logical fallacies to alter my conclusions
>I'm not being pseudo-intellectual
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>>12614704
exactly

exactly
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>>12614558
good luck mate
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>>12614651
>cannot make a coherent remark
>expects rebuttal
Oh, I forgot.

You are a liberal.
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>>12614740
>lyl comedy gold fukin libruls go bak to reebit
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>>12614740
>complaining about tax breaks
>not liberal
>This is totally liberal.
>A libertarian would be happy that there are less taxes from government. It's pretty obvious where you come from. Back there you go.
wait, so a GOVERNMENT creating loopholes that fuck itself but give you money is OK but its also supposed to be fiscally responsible?
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>>12614740

>Rand Paul was right
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>>12614787
>still no rebuttal
>just shout liberal it'll shut him up!
hahaha oh wow
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>>12614743

>since you browse AmRen

If you claim to know what you're saying about it, then so do you.
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>>12614558
THE FLORIDE IN WATER IS EVIL BRO DON DRINK TOO MUCH OF IT OR THE GOVERNMENTS NANO BOTS IN THE WATER WILL OVERWHELM YOUR BRAIN
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>>12614612
"Round up every jew you and your men can get your hands on, tear their clothes off, find every coin they have, drive their children into the streets with whips, rip the men's beards out, and burn the women's hair off, slice out the eyes of every elder, let every rabbi by tied to his books and thrown into the tiber, let every servant of jews be set free, and if they be a jew themselves, let their hands both be cut off. Show no mercy. Find every jew and bring upon them God's furious judgement." - Attributed to Pontifex Maximus Damasus I.

Granted Damasus was a blood mad psychopath that only won the pontificate by rounding up cardinals family members and holding them under threat of being burned to death, thus guaranteeing the votes of several cardinals. But hey, he hates jews! So /pol/ must love him, amIright?

>just to be clear; I hate jews and have since long, LONG before I ever heard of /pol/
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>>12614832
>hahahaha
>haha
>actually typing out hahaha
Let me guess, you're Filipino aren't you?
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>>12614839
Well, not regularly and as a resource. I don't book by its cover, but I do by Jared Taylor's ass smearings all over the pages.
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>>12614889
>STILL no rebuttal
>oh god he typed out hahaha
jesus stop making a fool out of yourself
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>>12614558
>becoming a spooky truther
what a waste...
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>>12614558

>I stopped critically thinking ever since I started spending time online instead of getting a job
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>>12614889
HUEHUEHUE!
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>>12614889
it's a meme you idiot, how new are you?
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>>12614806
>actually thinks tax breaks is just about giving money
>implying it's not tax deduction or tax exemptions

Oh right, you're a liberal. You think tax breaks only include "GIB MONEY PLZ"
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>>12614787

>Fox News was right
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>>12614964
>hahaha
>meme

What seanigger believe
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>>12614966

>Glen Beck would never lie to me
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>>12614966
deductions and exemptions are still depriving the government money, meanwhile you expect it to be fiscally balanced?
libertarians everyone
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>>12614865

I like the Romans more, they crucified both jews and christians indesciminately thereby limiting the spread of their shitty religions.
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>>12614966
>if you're not with me, YOU'RE AGAINST ME, LIBURLS GON TAKE MUH GUNS MUH PROPERTY MUH FREEEEEDUUUUUUUUUUUUUM
>LIBERALS liberals LIBERALS LIBERALS liberals liberals liberals LIBERALS liberals
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>>12615034
>fiscally balanced
>implying you can do that with Tayshuan expecting BETs and with feminists demanding big papa gubmint to shoulder her pills

Shifting goalposts lib?
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>>12614987
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/HA_HA_HA,_OH_WOW
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>>12615035
My point was only that hating jews and wishing earnestly for their genocidal extermination is typical of uncorrupted christianity. Its only after the rise of zionism and the infiltration of jews passing as whites that christianities blatant hatred of jews starts to tone down.
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>>12615082
so you think its ok to deprive the government of funds by providing YOU money, but not ok for the government to give it in the form of birth control, I don't even support that but that is sull retard
libertarians everyone, can't even balance a budget
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>>12615097
So, instead of treating your neighbor like yourself and spreading good will, you obsess over killing those filthy kikes and niggers and use the word of a Jew to justify it?
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>>12615082

>If I keep saying what Fox News tells me say, they'll think I'm right
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>>12614935
>not hating niggers
You clearly do not live near any

>not hating feminism

Stopped taking pills because of personal experience, rage episodes etc.

>>12614850
Just being careful, in case. No real harm in doing it if wrong, if right it's a completely different matter

Forget I mentioned Christianity, I believe a higher being created the universe/reality nothing more

>Believing 11 million people died in the holocaust, never mind 6 million jews

Niggas do even
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>>12615036
>>12615016
>>12614971
>>12614832
Why are liberals so butthurt in this page? Could it be that you're not used to being out in your echo chamber?
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>>12615196
>still has no answer to the question
>muh liberal butthurt
out of your element much?
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>>12614764
>use strawman to ad hominem
>accuse others of logical fallacies

neat
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>>12615190
>You clearly do not live near any
I've lived near trailer rednecks for most of my life, that doesn't give me the right to hate white people
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>>12615158
There isn't enough time in a single day to explain the exact specifics of how christianity has evolved and changed over the time that its existed. I suggest you read histories of the church and see for yourself. Christianity's attitude towards christians -is- about treating neighbor as self and spreading good will, but early theologians thought often believe the 'bad ol scary kikes kilt ar Jeebus' idea and it causes overt antisemitism. Its been hushed up by the PC police but the reality is that christian/jew relations and mudslime/jew relations are often very, VERY violent.
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>>12615036
strawman
>>12615016
strawman
>>12614971
strawman
>>12614832
strawman
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>>12615196

>The logic doesn't fit my narrative
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>>12615146
>hey gaiz, let's tax hardworking families while giving welfare stamps to Tayshaun and pills for Chanty Binx.
>fiscally responsible way according to liberals
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>>12615267

>It's a strawman because Stormfront.org told me so
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>>12615267
I'm point out HIS strawman.
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>>12615277
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>>12615280
did you not even read my post you damage control retard?
>I don't even support that
BOTH forms are denying the government income. yet you only rail against one of them while being for the other. AND you still think this is fiscally balanced?
libertarians in charge of logic
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>>12615296
strawman
>>12615306
strawman
>>12615277
strawman

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.
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>>12615016
Speaking of Glen Beck:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x2ylQBLuA4E
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>>12615261
I still don't quite get it. Religions are not societies, the entire point of them is that their beliefs are rigid and devout, not changing democratically.
It sounds like these people are just using beliefs to manipulate people.
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>>12615358
>>12615267
>has no answer
>pointing out strawman
I can't hold all this damage control
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>>12614623

There is actually quite a bit of good information posted here, provided you verify it yourself.
>>
if the shit posted on here made you question any of your political beliefs then you were probably just some dumbass sheep in the first place


I'm a left leaning economics student. I'd say I'm a socialist since my dissertation basically concludes that applying markets to the regulation of public services is dumb, since its all inevitably inefficient anyway you only change who profits from the inefficiencies.
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>>12615358
Yes, my entire point is that I'm showing him how retarded he sounds.
You are aware that appeal to fallacy is also a fallacy?
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>>12615358

>I'm not back-peddling my argument by screaming Strawman
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>>12615306
actually not a strawman, just wrong

>>12615383
Implying I've said anything in this argument other than point out 6 strawmen and 1 false statement
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>>12615358

>Implying you had a logically sound argument to begin with
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>>12614404
troll. seriously.
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>>12615431
so you're defending a retard by trying to deflect over some obvious personifications? even worse
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>>12615405
A lot of it falls apart just the same as the propaganda of the powers that be.
Question everything people tell you. ALL of it.
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>>12615376
Do you know what the council of nicea was? Occasionally when questions of the faith can't be easily answered because those pages of 'the book' haven't been written yet, church fathers get together and have a kind of parliamentary debate, then vote on whats "in" (i.e. acceptable to believe), and whats not. The council of nicea is the most well known of these, but there were actually several (dozen) of these councils.
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>>12615343
>guys he's not buying my strawman! He's playing my game!
>I know call libertarians morons
Funny thing here is I'm not even libertarian but it's really great to see all the liberal tears in here once you show them the stupidity of their arguments.
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>>12615453

>There's a Jewish Conspiracy out to get me
>I'm not crazy for thinking
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>>12615470
>still thinks Council of Nicea was about the bible.

Wow, liberals and atheists couldn't get any more dumber.
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>>12606399 (OP)
Went from right-leaning to left-leaning. /pol/ is literally full of naive, gullible retards, and when I first came here I discovered how stupid/unintelligent I must have appeared to the rest of the sane world. I'm pleased that I've finally grown out of that edgy phase.
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>>12615476
>deflecting by calling my argument a strawman
lolwut, tax breaks in all forms are denying the government wealth, and you still have yet to tell me how the government can dole out cash to you while being "fiscally responsible". Calling something a strawman doesn't make it one kiddo
>>
OP here, been lurking. Alot of people keep saying you have to be dump to let /pol/ effect your belief system. That seems kind of stupid seeing as how this is a board for open discussion, a place to share ideas in an uncensored format. You cant be a real /pol/itician, or true member of any political discussion group and not be affected in some way.
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>>12615470
That does make sense, but "kill all Jews" is in direct defiance of the core tenants of Christian doctrine.
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>>12614558
>All this butthurt because someone grew a brain and did his own math instead of sucking Dawkins cock.

I for one, respect you, awkwardly similar bro.
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>>12615554

>Christian
>A rational, legal doctine to follow

Pick one
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>>12614101
I really want to embrace this, I still call myself a liberal although in Europe there are less connotations with the loony left
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>>12615539
>still thinks tax breaks are not libertarian
>still thinks spending is the fiscally responsible way
MUH SIDES!
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>>12615518
I don't care what it was about, my point is only that such councils happened.

>>12615554
Insular, hateful behavior of jews towards christians [see 'minim', jewish encyclopedia] has a lot to do with the 'kill da jooz' thought.
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>>12613452
You don't lean left at all, from what you have said...

in fact, I consider myself more right, and your beliefs mirror mine
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>>12612581
>other animals
i guess you just answered yourself about niggers,gypsies and abos.
actually i can't tell about niggers and abos
but gypsies are the scum of the earth.
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>>12615605
tax breaks are not libertarian because you advocate a balanced government, yet deprive it of wealth to give to yourself
>he thinks I'm for spending
dis damage control, I already pointed out that I'm not for spending, but arguing that EITHER is fiscally responsible is the most retarded thing I've heard in a while and I'm on /pol/
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>>12615458
stawman

>>12615412
>my argument
read, nigga

>>12615412
point is kill
no

>>12615443
Third time's a charm, maybe I'll have made an argument by this point
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>>12615605

>It's okay to use services I don't pay for with my taxes
>I'm not being ironically socialist, at the same, while claiming to be Libertarian
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>>12615722
Oh shit nigger did that one twice
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>>12615722
>implying
>>12615458
>is a strawman
pointing out your sillyness doesn't make it a strawman bro
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>>12615605
What did you expect? Liberal faggots are stupid.
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>>12612115
>most of /pol/ will laugh at you if you express any pro jewish or pro black/hispanic nonwhite shit
cry some more!
so someone told you you're not white.
aren't you proving that white is the best if being called non white upsets you?
this,if you haven't noticed,makes you a racist.
if you take your "race" over the validity of your own opinion,maybe you're white but your shit for sure.
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>>12615799

you think homosexuality is artificial?
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>>12615799

>I'm an uneducated hick who is smarter than people who actually have doctorates and masters in micro and marco economics
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>>12615671
>I already pointed out that I'm not for spending

In other news:
>>12614806
>so a GOVERNMENT creating loopholes that fuck itself but give you money
>give you money
>give money

Wait, why did you think government SHOULD spend money? Oh right, you're a liberal. You have cognitive dissonance.

You must be atheist too.
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>>12615894


>You must be intelligent too
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>>12614586
don't forget China and India's rapidly rising economies immediately after right-leaning policies...
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>>12615374
>hispanic transgendered dwarf

MUH SIDES!

Would watch Fox News for!
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>>12615894

>I don't know how government budges work
>I don't know spending works
>I don't shit about marcoeconomics
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>>12615890
Marco economics? Did your stock in Rubio go up? Working hard making James?

>you are dumb as hell.
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>>12615481
there's a jewish conspiracy because you're a troll?

btw you're a troll.
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>>12615947
>atheist
>intelligent
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>>12615894
>avoids the question
if you didn't want the government to spend anything why would you even need tax breaks? you'd just abolish taxes. also
>he thinks I'm for spending
now you're just projecting, because all i pointed out is your silly fallacy on tax breaks, all you're doing is just giving the government money, taking it back, then crying about how washington should be fiscally responsible.
I haven't seen a conservative this buttfrustrated since november 5th
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>>12614652
so much ad hominem
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>>12615520
SRS pls
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>>12615986
>government budges
>budges
Wait, the government moves now?
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>>12615894
in a capitalist society a government has to spend money to exist. A government should indeed spend money. Once it stops spending money it isn't a government since it isn't governing anything.
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>>12616031

>American education
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>>12616017
>wants to remove tax breaks
>thinks in favor of tax breaks means you must spend too
>projecting
You tried to shift goalposts and you still failed. You must suck at this. Might I suggest you practice more perhaps?
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>>12616010

>I must defend my imaginary friend online because obviously I can convince someone who cares about my conspiracy theory of a supernatural being
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>>12615890
>>12616088
>liberals

>they are so stupid they don't realize we're talking about cultural liberalism
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>>12616134
>I must shove bananas down my butt to show I am more intelligent and moral than religious people
lolatheists.
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>>12616177
you know atheists don't care about bananabut guy right?

it's just an easy target.
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>>12616117
>STILL avoiding the question
>thinks in favor of tax breaks means you must spend too
I've got to ask where you're getting this retarded info, because as I pointed out, being IN FAVOR of tax breaks while crying about the government being fiscally responsible is just pure hypocrisy
>You tried to shift goalposts and you still failed
lel whos shifting the goalposts again? as I recall you went from me being in favor of spending to me saying that being in favor of tax breaks means you want higher spending.
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>>12616140

gender roles are different across the world

gay people are gay everywhere

what about that picture is wrong?
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>>12616217
But what would Christfags use as a strawman if they stopped using him? I mean, its not like they can actually formulate arguments or defend their beliefs.
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>>12616245
did you reply to the wrong person or something?
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>>12616177

>I'm stupid to believe I'm talking the Amazing Atheist
>I'm stupid enough to believe he would actually waste his time with me
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>>12616274
>>12616291
calm down and remove the banana from your anus
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>>12616290

probably
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>>12616245
>gender roles are different across the world
not really. all societies that treated females as the dominant force in life failed miserably. and there are none in existence now. there are cultural differences, but the basic format of gender roles are similar.
also, even accepting your premises:
>DURRRRR THAT MEANS THERE SHOULD BE NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>gay people are gay everywhere
>implying this proves it isn't a mental illness
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>>12616177

>Sticking bananas up my ass, which hurts no one, is worse than having a flawed, political narrative that actual hurts people

>Rush Limbaugh was right
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>>12615994
> dat ad hominem
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>>12616375
>all societies that treated females as the dominant force in life failed miserably.
and the ones that treated males as the dominant force in life failed miserably, because all societies fail miserably at some point
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>>12616504
not western societies.

well, unless your disgusting feminism has a say in it.
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>>12616504
so if they all do, why not go with the one that stays intact the longest?

>men
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>>12616380
>religion
>political narrative
Atheists, I swear.

>>12615890
>>12616492
>Implying macroeconomics have anything to do with fags or critical thinking

>>12616504
But that's wrong you fucking retard
Any society that treated females as dominant died before they were even into recorded history, and every single one after that has done it the right way, so they evolved into new societies, not "failed miserably"
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made me neutral/ambivalent on gun control

despite living in quebec where basically everyone believes the states are insane for having as many guns as they do

I mean I still agree but after a year or two on /pol/ I see that gun control doesn't really fix this effectively and believing otherwise is putting ideology before practicality
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>>12616375
> all societies that treated females as the dominant force in life failed miserably

so by your own admission they existed? So gender roles are a product of societal evolution and not genetic evolution? So they're socital constructs? Glad you got there in the end.

>implying this proves it isn't a mental illness
I implied that it wasn't artificial. The assertion was that homosexuality was not natural. Things that do not occur naturally are artificial.
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It hasn't (/int/ has). This board is just one ridiculous circlejerk after another.
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>>12616583

>Don black was right
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>>12616608
>So they're socital constructs?
people try experiments. doesn't mean they fall in line with HOW HUMANS ARE.

fucking idiot.
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>>12616647
muh strawman
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>>12616555
western society is a great example of where letting women contribute has been a thing. genders have always had different roles, but the most successful societies did not treat them rigidly
you wouldn't be reading this if it weren't for grace hopper
>>12616574
>stays intact the longest
they all explode anyway, every society of today will be a thing of the past within centuries
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>>12616654
>people try experiments. doesn't mean they fall in line with HOW HUMANS ARE.
this is basically the explanation for our entire generation's liberalism

>mfw gay rights fails
>mfw feminism fails
>mfw multicults fail
>mfw "diversity" fails

good god when can we finally acknowledge how shitty of ideas these are?
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>>12616733
>things that have never actually happened have failed
you are this stupid
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>>12616733

>David Duke was right
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>>12616689
>grace hopper
lol

the only people who are trying to treat them rigidly are liberals
>HURRRR OMG IM A FAGGOT THERE ARE NO GENDER ROALS WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!! SEXIST!

>they all explode anyway
thanks for entirely missing the point, then.
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>>12616762
you know what mfw stands for right?

WHEN...as in the future.

fuck off SRS shill.
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>>12616583
>Any society that treated females as dominant died before they were even into recorded history, and every single one after that has done it the right way, so they evolved into new societies, not "failed miserably"
care to provide proof of this? the rold of genders has historically been limited to the nuclear family, the idea that only men should be in charge of everything by law is largely a recent idea
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>>12616733

>I don't want gays to have rights because of my Judeo-Christian religion's ignorance and idiocy
>I don't want women to be treated as equals
>I don't like the fact that America is no longer a country I can use my socioeconomic to discriminate people
>Our growing GDP and success as a nation for over 200 years isn't the result from a diverse, natural heritage

>Stormfront.org isn't feeding me information
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I lean liberal, but I vote Libertarian every time.

There's nothing wrong with the ideals and the principles of liberalism, but what the Democratic party has twisted it into is disgusting.

Being a Liberal should mean:

A high value on the protection of the social safety net. Not socialism, not mass redistribution of wealth, but making sure the poor can survive, and the government undertaking public works projects for the good of the people.

It SHOULD mean an end to wars of aggression. Nothing wrong with defending your homeland, but creating a proxy empire is not in our best interests. Close down many of our overseas bases, quit getting involved with other country's business, and change the defense budget from a bloated neanderthal to a slim, efficient machine.

Most importantly, Liberalism means defending civil liberties and free speech at all costs. You want to stand outside of abortion clinics and call women whores? You want to protest gay rights parades and claim that God hates fags? You want to proclaim your love for the Lord Jesus Christ? You want to call Obama a Nazi Muslim Nigger? I think you're a backwards redneck fuck, but I will fight for your right to say those things.

A true liberal is infuriated by Obama's drone wars, the attack on free speech in this country through CISPA, we are enraged at the NDAA, and we think Obama is basically Black Bush with a health care plan.

Unfortunately, there are few true liberals left in America. If you claimed to be a Liberal under the Bush administration and criticized his wars, the Patriot act, Guantanamo Bay, and all of his other attacks on the Constitution and the Bill of rights, if you claimed he was Hitler and should be impeached... you had better as FUCK be marching in the streets and protesting Obama, or you are a big fat fucking fraud of a Democrat tit fed faggot bitch.

TL;DR Liberalism is dead, replaced by totalitarianism.
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>>12616843
>only men should be in charge of everything

honestly, i don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.
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>>12616779
both sides treat them rigidly, it isn't logical when either of them does it
>thanks for entirely missing the point, then.
oh the irony
>>12616807
so you're trying to turn your personal opinion into fact. brilliant
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>>12616889
>i'm an athiest.
>i want women AND MEN to understand their roles in society. they ALWAYS WERE equals.
>america for americans. of any race. you just HAVE TO ASSIMILATE as an IMMIGRANT. we don't "need" minorities for the fucking sake of "diversity".
>top lel. my god.
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>>12616893
>TL;DR Liberalism is dead, replaced by totalitarianism.
personally the only reason I vote democrat is I'd rather have a SLIGHTLY liberal party known as the democrats then vote for the batshit insane party the republicans have become. if not for that I'd be a green party member
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>>12616962

>David Duke hasn't brainwashed me
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>>12616938
>turn your personal opinion into fact.

you know what a prediction is, right?
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>>12616897
i don't know what you're talking about either
are you just bitching at some "liberal" group that only exists in your head?
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>>12617014
any time you try to say there's been "historical oppression" of females I will laugh in your face.

that's all.
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>>12616969
Not to beat a dead horse on this board, but both parties are a joke compared to what they supposedly stand for.

I don't personally think pure Libertarianism is feasible in a country this size, but I do think it's time to strip down to bare minimums of government and let states build social services back up.
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>>12616985
you probably know him better than i do.
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>>12616990
you know what "paranoia" is, right?
>>12617047
what. i never said that
if anything i'd say feminists are retarded because women have contributed a lot to history, and want to be treated like princesses
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Much more familiar with what the opposition arguments are, but I haven't been convinced of shit.

(Then again, /pol/ argues very compellingly against feminism... but I already thought tumblr feminists were morons, and most feminists these days seem to be the tumblr kind. So it didn't move my views.)
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>>12616962
Not the guy you responded to but.
>I don't want gays to have rights because of my Judeo-Christian religion's ignorance and idiocy
Gay marriage is retarded or fiscal reasons which I will deal

>I don't want women to be treated as equals
Feminism is no longer about treating women as equals.

>I don't like the fact that America is no longer a country I can use my socioeconomic to discriminate people
We don't need to.
>White Americans have an average IQ of 103 (tied for 5th highest globally)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence#US_test_scores

>White Americans score 7th highest internationally on PISA reading comprehension test.
http://www.vdare.com/articles/pisa-scores-show-demography-is-destiny-in-education-too-but-washington
-doesnt-want-you-to-k

>White Americans have an average income of $55,000 (9th highest in the world)
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2009/09/chart_american_income_by_race.html

>White Americans have a adjusted Disposable Income of $39,000 - the highest in the OECD (even when adjusted for the benefits of the welfare state and government healthcare).
http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/download/3010161ec007.pdf?expires=1361821064&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=111DB29091BC3407ECF14955A76F6434

>White Americans have an unemployment rate of 6.6%
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm

>White Americans have an average net worth of $110,000 (2nd Highest in the world after Australia, higher than Switzerland and Norway)
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/21/news/economy/wealth-gap-race/index.htm

But it's not enough that blacks and hispanics have more than legal equality right?

>Our growing GDP and success as a nation for over 200 years isn't the result from a diverse, natural heritage
Until the 60s we were 95% white and should have remained so, open immigration fucked us because Jews(srsly it was the JDL that pushed it) opened our borders to hispanic shit. Being 85% German and Anglo is hardly "diverse" by liberal standards
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>>12617115
it's paranoid to think an experiment will fail?

do you know how to do anything other than parrot the raddit critiques of pol?
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>>12616380
>Sticking bananas up my ass, which hurts no one
They're hurting my eyes and everyone elses.
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>>12617048
Less big government is supported by both libertarian parties (the Greens want a focus on local governments), but the LP's economic stances scare me. I doubt America lacks the business ethic to let the market completely regulate itself.
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/pol/ has changed me too, I used to be a female nigger, but now I'm a proud white man
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>>12617147
Here is the argument against gay marriage. State sanctioned marriage is not a right but an entitlement given in exchange for a possible service in the form of producing new tax payers(children). Ask yourself why the state encourages marriage. Because more humans is good for the economy. The US is the only industrial nation with a native population that has above replacement birth rates. We'd like to keep it that way because low population growth prevents demographic problems that are occurring in other nations as large portions of the working population retire or get too old to work. All more citizens means more tax revenue and soldiers so it is in a nation states interest to have a large but stable population.

Now the way we go about encouraging this is too round about for my taste. Rather than giving tax breaks for marriage we should only give them for the number of underage dependents. Adopted children count a little, your own children count more. We want to maintain the family structure and encourage people to reproduce. Just giving tax breaks for marriage allows freeloaders who married but don't plan of having kids to benefit from a system that gets nothing back from them.

Gays can and have always been able to get a private religious marriage without no standing in the eyes of the state just like everybody else. I know people who did that just because they hate the fucking government and disagree with state sanctioned marriage.

The way to solve this problem is by eliminating the state sanctioning and giving of tax breaks for marriage, instead you only get tax breaks for producing viable offspring and raising them. You also get less tax breaks for adopted children, step-children, and dependents not related to you by blood.
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>>12617147

I thought the immigration act of the '60s was what *closed* our border with Mexico. We had open immigration with the western hemisphere for ages. Then again, not many people were coming back then.
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>>12617208
I also think no marriage should grant automatic inheritance, visitation, and medical access rights. Those should be granted and can be granted now in a separate legal contract. If you really wanted to have those rights for your buttbuddy just hire a lawyer for 50 bucks to draw up the contract and mail it to the county courthouse for them to file. People who are heterosexual and shun state marriage, like the Jehovah Witnesses and some Libertarians do just that.
Also the benefits given to those that produce and raise children should not extend beyond the 3 child, that why Shaniqua can’t have 9 rugrats and milk the system.
It would also cut down on alimony bullshit and gold digging.
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>>12615539
Can you not see the difference though between the government deciding they don't have to tax you as much and allowing you to keep the money you earned and the government deciding to hand you a bunch of money from the tax dollars they've collected for doing absolutely nothing?
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>>12617147
So your entire policy is "white people are so awesome"? You don't question anything and just sit on your high horse?
Thanks for reminding me why I stopped voting for the GOP.
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>>12617245
I pointed out that the tax breaks are simply a way to give people their money back, but at the same time wouldn't it be better to simply lower the damn rates and get rid of the deductions? if people want more money back they shouldn't resort to such a convoluted system
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>>12617245

Why is this only applied to poor people? Republicans love subsidies and bailouts for big business, but when it comes to letting people eat and keep a roof over their head it's a bridge too far.
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>>12616654

The fact that it can be experimented with is just further evidence that its a construct. Humans are capable of societal interactions exceeding any other animal, we create cultures and through these cultures we've defined roles for men and women.

I can't experiment with the role of my penis. A woman can't experiment with the role of her vagina, these are natural nodal qualities of sexuality. The societal aspect of our genders is fluid and constantly changing because society is constantly changing.
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>>12617147
>But it's not enough that blacks and hispanics have more than legal equality right?
They don't, affirmative action only harms minorities, not helps them.
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>>12617321
Actually it is simply that whites(IQ103) and Northern Asians(IQ 104) can be expected to preform better. I don't suggest that we make an exclusive white/jap/chink immigration policy. Rather that we simply make no racial quotas at all unlike today. We let in only the very best, Whites and Asians will naturally be the majority but there will be a few others in there as well.

I don't hate blacks, I hate niggers. The unfortunate fact is that the black population in America has an average IQ of 85, so that means there are a great number of niggers that outnumber decent blacks.
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>>12617385
MUH JERB CREATERZ
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>>12617200
I agree completely with that. The current system of regulation is a self defeating mechanism however. Government regulations are bloated, many of which are designed to help large corporations maintain their monopolies and keep smaller businesses from growing. Financial regulators frequently leave government employment to go work at the big banks, and the big banks actually provide massive bonuses for top brass who leave the company for government jobs. It's incestuous as fuck.

I'll be honest, I am a tin foil fag who believes that the game is rigged and the banks do what they want no matter what, but yeah... the "free market no regulations" thing just flat out wouldn't work. There needs to be some sort of watchdog... we just have to figure out a way to keep the bank's leash off the dog's collar.
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>>12617147
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Since discovering /pol/ I've actually gone further left. Full blown commie now. That said, I;
>secretly hate a lot of non-whites, don't mind those that have assimilated
>hate Jews
>support ethnic nationalism
>hate banks
>I don't really agree with taxation, but I recognise that it is necessary for a state to operate.
>hate cops
>hate the government
>hate rich people (although that's more because I'm poor than anything /pol/ has shown me)
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>>12617451
It makes sense, but it seems too...dismal. I think we could easily see the black community improve if we treat them like actual equals instead of making them all entitled.
Though I also absolutely hate the far right's obsession with IQ tests, since they're basically repurposed high school placement exams, and if you try to debate it, you get "NUH UH U CANT ARGUE ITS SIENS".
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>>12617521
>Natives couldn't resist invading force, a story repeated a thousand times in history with the same results every time
>that means that those who now control that territory shouldn't exclude a worthless underclass that offers them nothing even though it is easy to do so.

So basically I should feel guilty because my forefathers beat some other group and now stretch out may new so my throat can be cut by some other out group?

Liberals cannot into self interest. You faggots will litterally commit suicide over bullshit guilt principles.
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>>12617641
>self interest
How is it in my interest to play petty jingoist war games?
Society evolves and prospers through trading, creating and building. Not blowing up the scary dark people.
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>>12617521
Europeans were the first people in America. The colonisation of the continent was the white man retaking his land.

http://www.livescience.com/7043-americans-european.html


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