Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:36 No.10051602

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:36 No.10051602

Replies: >>10051626 >>10051646

>>10051580 (OP)
>Ayn Rand
>appealing to people
Pick one.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:37 No.10051624

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:37 No.10051624

Replies: >>10051636

It would have been fine if they set the movie in the fucking time it took place in instead of 2016 or whatever.

Also you act like Atlas Shrugged: The Book wasn't full of retarded shit.

>MUH ENGINE THAT RUNS ON STATIC ELECTRICITY IN THE AIR AND USES IT TO GO AT 200 MPH
>IT'S NOT EVEN A FUCKING ENGINE IT'S A GENERATOR BUT SOMEHOW DAGNY, WHO HAS A DEGREE IN ENGINEERING, DOESN'T REALIZE IT

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:37 No.10051626

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:37 No.10051626

Replies: >>10051776 >>10052266 >>10054514

>>10051602
Didn't she sell a shit load of books?

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:38 No.10051636

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:38 No.10051636

Replies: >>10051696 >>10051772

>>10051624
Never read any of her books. 1,500 pages? I'll pass.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:39 No.10051646

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:39 No.10051646

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>>10051602

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:43 No.10051696

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:43 No.10051696

Replies: >>10054810

>>10051636

Atlas Shrugged is a fucking terrible book. It's like libertarian Twilight. Fountainhead, on the other hand, is pretty alright.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:49 No.10051765

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:49 No.10051765

I like Atlas Shrugged as a concept, that is, I like it as an apocalyptic novel where the apocalypse isn't brought about by war or aliens or something, and we see it slowly happening.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:49 No.10051772

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:49 No.10051772

Replies: >>10051810 >>10051826 >>10051943 >>10052103

>>10051636
i read the book, adaptation plot wise at least the first movie was pretty close.

and i gotta say, the editor of the book did a fantastic job, it's well edited since i know Rand's The Fountainhead non-edited version is just a scribbled mess.

Even so, she's pretty good with words and generally i liked the way she wrote.
But her ideas man, she was bat fucking insane..

Let's take Wyatt's Torch where the train goes inside the mountain tunnel to meet its certain doom, i found it disgusting and desperate how she pissed on every fucking passenger and made them deserve their death, made them guilty just for the sake of being comfortable with killing them off. It was fucking despicable and sloppy, just to move everything forward, her grandiose plan, ideas forward.. and doing it in such a desperate manor was fucking stupid.

Or towards the end when the whole book became something like a James Bond thing, it shifted pacing dramatically, from being preachy to fuck yeah kill for john galt bullshit.
Dagny and Hank had no fucking trouble killing people out the fucking blue just to save Galt, also Galt's torture was stupid.. yeah, torture the fucker so he'll agree to.. save you?!

Dagny was a fucking bitch too, going from dick to dick with the 'better' man only because he was more 'powerful', what a fucking slut.. YEAH GIVE TO ME IN THE TRAIN STATION LIKE THE POWERFUL VISIONARY YOU ARE

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:49 No.10051776

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:49 No.10051776

Replies: >>10051793 >>10051804 >>10051834 >>10052247 >>10054623

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>>10051626
Capitalist logic:
Sells good = is good.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:51 No.10051792

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:51 No.10051792

Replies: >>10051844

Who the fuck is John Galt? Seriously.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:51 No.10051793

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:51 No.10051793

Replies: >>10051830

>>10051776

Uhhh you know Ayn Rand hated that kind of logic, right?

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:51 No.10051804

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:51 No.10051804

Replies: >>10051882

>>10051776
Commie logic:
we forced you to buy it on your own behalf because we said it's good.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:52 No.10051810

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:52 No.10051810

>>10051772
>where the train goes inside the mountain tunnel to meet its certain doom

Sadly, I can actually see something like that happening now.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:53 No.10051826

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:53 No.10051826

Replies: >>10051877

>>10051772
the train incident was supposed to be a terrible incident, I don't remember her making them guilty

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:54 No.10051830

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:54 No.10051830

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>>10051793
To whom I replied to didn't.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:54 No.10051834

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:54 No.10051834

Replies: >>10051921

>>10051776
That's precisely the same thing as stating that if people desire it, seek it, and obtain it by parting with their own property in exchange, it's good.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:55 No.10051844

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:55 No.10051844

Replies: >>10052924

>>10051792

I'll explain it for you and for anyone else who has not read the book, because I read the book and I want to spare everyone else the pain.

John Galt was the son of some hick mechanic in the midwest. He was an unholy smart genius, the smartest man to ever live. He entered the greatest college in America when he was 17 or some shit. There he made friends with the most successful Danish pirate in the world and the most successful man in the world who owns all the world's copper and literally never loses.

John Galt then invented a generator that creates infinite electricity out of thin air, but commies took over the plant he was working at, and in disgust he said he would destroy the world and create Atlantis for libertarian supermen. Which he does.

He has no flaws, he has no doubts, he is always right, everyone defers to him, he's insanely smart, insanely handsome, insanely wise, and can do anything. And Ayn Rand said it was OK because he's literally the libertarian ideal.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:57 No.10051877

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:57 No.10051877

Replies: >>10051980

>>10051826

Bro as the passengers are dying she writes shit like "they were all guilty of something that had created the circumstances that led to their death like this woman was a teacher who taught kids they were all equal instead of encouraging superior libertarian kids."

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)06:57 No.10051882

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)06:57 No.10051882

Replies: >>10052490 >>10054642

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>>10051804
You are still thinking in the cold era dichotomy.
Soviets =/= only communist project
Communism doesn't necessarily mean dictatorship. Check neomarxism, libertarian communism, left communism, etc.

In fact, if you look up the definition of communism you'll find there is no one to coerce you into anything.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:00 No.10051921

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:00 No.10051921

>>10051834
Which would make a lot more sense if the wants weren't manufactured alongside with political consent in capitalism.

See advertisement, it's basically pure manipulation / economic propaganda on a MASSIVE scale.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:01 No.10051943

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:01 No.10051943

Replies: >>10051955 >>10052005 >>10052033

>>10051772
The point of of showing that they were guilty was to show that each individual was guilty for accepting collectivism. They had not fought injustice and had actually actively worked for it.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:02 No.10051955

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:02 No.10051955

Replies: >>10053334

>>10051943

Then why did Eddie die?

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:04 No.10051980

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:04 No.10051980

Replies: >>10052005 >>10052539

>>10051877
ah yeah, I had completely forgotten about that, it gives a short paragraph for each of the different passengers. The idea was that they contributed to their own downfall, not that they deserved death, though.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:06 No.10052005

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:06 No.10052005

Replies: >>10052067 >>10052160

>>10051980
>>10051943

That's like saying if you get hit by a car tomorrow you had it coming because you paid taxes which caused roads to get repaired so cars could drive on them causing thousands of auto accidents a year. It's the most retarded, reaching kind of logic.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:08 No.10052033

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:08 No.10052033

Replies: >>10052490

>>10051943
>each individual was guilty for accepting collectivism

Well I guess that makes most of humanity guilty.
Every family practices collectivist principles.
Every natural tribe (e.g. native americans, all of our ancestors) pretty much lived in primitive communism.

Anthropology and human sentiments just really don't align with Rand's principles.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:10 No.10052067

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:10 No.10052067

>>10052005
my thoughts exactly

it was stupid how she fingered each passanger out of each fucking comportment that THEY DID BAD, BOOHOO KEPITELIZM, MUST DIE

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:12 No.10052100

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:12 No.10052100

Replies: >>10052128 >>10052453

Ayn Rand died alone in poverty, supported for the last couple decades by the social security and medicare she hated.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:12 No.10052103

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:12 No.10052103

Replies: >>10052133

>>10051772
even with my nitpicks gotta say i still recommend reading the book, it's pretty good and interesting.. not to be taken seriously though

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:14 No.10052128

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:14 No.10052128

Replies: >>10052453

>>10052100
>Ayn Rand died alone in poverty, supported for the last couple decades by the social security and medicare she hated.

Why do you think such facts would cut through the randists hivemind?

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:14 No.10052133

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:14 No.10052133

>>10052103

no, it sucks.
Read The Fountainhead.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:15 No.10052138

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:15 No.10052138

Trains are the future.

I'm jelly of America's freight system.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:16 No.10052160

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:16 No.10052160

Replies: >>10052192

>>10052005
No, it's like saying if you get hit by a car tomorrow you had it coming because you campaigned to make it legal to hit people with cars.

Financial Services Guy !!irpohcY63Wp
02/09/13(Sat)07:18 No.10052176

Financial Services Guy !!irpohcY63Wp 02/09/13(Sat)07:18 No.10052176

Replies: >>10052213

Considering she was forced to pay for it, why not.

I hate employment insurance, especially since in my position the odds of me being laid off without getting fired are slim. Yet I still have to dump money towards it.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't use if it I had the chance. I would prefer to keep this money aside on my accord and create my own EI.

People are incredibly dumb though, hence why they need some "divine" leader with a suit and tie that works for the government to help them out, thinking they give a shit about their needs.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:19 No.10052192

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:19 No.10052192

Replies: >>10052539

>>10052160

That's direct campaigning. Some of those people are guilty of teaching kids to share or resenting the rich. Does that mean they should die?

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:19 No.10052196

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:19 No.10052196

Didn't part one flop horribly? How on earth did they make a sequel?

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:20 No.10052213

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:20 No.10052213

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>>10052176
>People are incredibly dumb though, hence why they need some "divine" leader with a suit and tie that works for the government to help them out, thinking they give a shit about their needs.

And why is that?
PIC: hint

Financial Services Guy !!irpohcY63Wp
02/09/13(Sat)07:22 No.10052246

Financial Services Guy !!irpohcY63Wp 02/09/13(Sat)07:22 No.10052246

Replies: >>10052340 >>10052434

>>10052213
Learn to adapt. Economies aren't not static and never will be static. Stay ahead of the curve.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:22 No.10052247

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:22 No.10052247

>>10051776
>wage system

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:23 No.10052266

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:23 No.10052266

>>10051626
So did Stephanie Meyer

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:24 No.10052274

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:24 No.10052274

Replies: >>10053069

Seriously though, why did Eddie die?

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:28 No.10052340

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:28 No.10052340

Replies: >>10052434

>>10052246
You didn't answer anything just regurgitated social darwinist principles fitted to capitalism.

I'm not sure you are listening.

Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs
02/09/13(Sat)07:29 No.10052348

Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs 02/09/13(Sat)07:29 No.10052348

Replies: >>10052365

>>10051580 (OP)

Democrats are completely obsessed with trains right now though...

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:30 No.10052365

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:30 No.10052365

>>10052348

muh light rail

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:34 No.10052425

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:34 No.10052425

Replies: >>10052470 >>10052514

apple is a perfect example. When steve took back control of the company, he did no charity stuff and focused on making as much money as possible. Apple has 134 billion in cash. then steve dies tragically. perfect movie

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:34 No.10052434

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:34 No.10052434

Replies: >>10052743

>>10052246
>>10052340

"Darwin did not know what a bitter satire he wrote on mankind ... when he showed that free competition, the struggle for existence, which the economists celebrate as the highest historical achievement, is the normal state of the animal kingdom." Engels

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:36 No.10052450

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:36 No.10052450

No, really, randfags, why did Eddie die?

The book goes out of its way to kill everyone who "deserves" it. Why did Eddie die? Eddie wasn't lazy, he ran his ass ragged for Taggert Transcontinental. He worked hard for the company his whole life. He pretty much ran it alone while Dagny was away. He risked his reputation and career many times for Dagny. And then he dies in a desert at the end because he cannot fix and run a train singlehandedly. It is literally the end of the book.

What was the point of that?

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:36 No.10052453

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:36 No.10052453

Replies: >>10052490 >>10052595 >>10052660

>>10052100
>>10052128
>hurr durr how dare you take advantage of services you're forced to give money to your entire life under penalty of imprisonment. Also this has no bearing on the validity of her ideology.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:37 No.10052470

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:37 No.10052470

Replies: >>10052507

>>10052425
meanwhile Bill Gates is giving billions to charity and his company is struggling

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:38 No.10052490

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:38 No.10052490

Replies: >>10052595 >>10052743

>>10052453
>>hurr durr
>doesn't answer valid criticisms in thread
>>10052213
>>10052033
>>10051882
>>10051830
At least you can conserve your false sense of superiority. (randist ideal?)

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:40 No.10052507

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:40 No.10052507

>>10052470
I really don't like how liberals praise Bill for that, or charity in general:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpAMbpQ8J7g

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:40 No.10052514

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:40 No.10052514

Replies: >>10052577

>>10052425

steve jobs fucked Wozniak out of $5000 when jobs worked for apple. He paid Woz a little over $300 instead pocketing the rest.
in fact, a lot of work jobs did was actually Woz's work.

You want to talk about greedy CEOs, Jobs is the top 1% of greedy fucks

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:41 No.10052539

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:41 No.10052539

>>10052192
see
>>10051980
The idea was that they contributed to their own downfall, not that they deserved death, though

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:44 No.10052577

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:44 No.10052577

Replies: >>10052634 >>10052682

>>10052514
>You want to talk about greedy CEOs, Jobs is the top 1% of greedy fucks
Implying this thread isn't full of greed worshipping Randists.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:46 No.10052595

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:46 No.10052595

>>10052453
>>10052490
I guess this settles it then. I'd drink your tears if I wasn't selfless enough to let you have them.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:49 No.10052634

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:49 No.10052634

Replies: >>10052727

>>10052577

Rand wasnt exactly advocating the sale of product at 5000% markup

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:50 No.10052660

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:50 No.10052660

Replies: >>10052722 >>10052914

>>10052453
I'm genuinely interested how you maintain your ego in such cases.

Is it like a meta-narrative you tell yourself?
"I'm still better"
"My beliefs are justified even if they are clearly proven contradictory?"

How? Just how? It must be cognitive dissonance at it's purest form.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:51 No.10052667

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:51 No.10052667

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>>10051580 (OP)
>Has anyone even ridden a fucking train the past 50 years?

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:52 No.10052682

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:52 No.10052682

Replies: >>10052760

>>10052577
You have 1 minute to explain why greed is bad.
>Other people serving themselves doesn't serve me or my friends
Other people are never obligated to serve you. Stop painting your peers with your slaver mentality.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:55 No.10052722

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:55 No.10052722

Replies: >>10052743

>>10052660
>"My beliefs are justified even if they are clearly proven contradictory?"
how are they contradictory? if Ayn Rand didn't pay her taxes she'd go to jail. do your beliefs not have validity if you don't suffer from them?

how are her views invalidated for taking back money that was forcibly stolen from her?

if this large amount of money wasn't stolen from her who knows what she would've done with it.

also none of this speaks to her arguments.

its like saying if you don't go to jail for your beliefs theyre invalid

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:55 No.10052727

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:55 No.10052727

Replies: >>10052767 >>10053966

>>10052634
>wasnt exactly
We both know what that 'exactly' does to that sentence. It tries to hide the fact that she wouldn't give a rat's ass if it justifiable from a randian hero's POV.

From your writing style I think you are a teenager. Which is OK, since you read at least.
Here's a tip: read Max Stirner's ego and it's own, and after that Bakunin's The God and the State.

From that point you are one step from understanding social problems on a larger scale.
>implying marxism

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:56 No.10052743

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:56 No.10052743

Replies: >>10052793

>>10052722
>how are they contradictory?
>>10052490
>>10052434

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:58 No.10052758

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:58 No.10052758

Replies: >>10052868

>>10051830
> leftist anarchism
> if someone doesn't agree to give up their private property their is nothing you can do and it is really anarcho individualist
> if you do use force then you are not libertarian rather authoritarian
The left wing "libertarian" fallacy ladies and gentlemen.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:58 No.10052760

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:58 No.10052760

Replies: >>10052899

>>10052682
Greed in itself is not bad. It becomes bad when ones greed destroys the lives and prosperity of others.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:59 No.10052765

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:59 No.10052765

>a big investment bank, mortgage company

are you fucking retarded? the book is about those who create versus those who do not. fucking around with pieces of paper is not creation of value, it's more akin to theft.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)07:59 No.10052767

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)07:59 No.10052767

>>10052727
And one more thing, if you are a teenager it's a wise thing to not align yourself with ideologies so soon.

"I'm a democrat!"
I've read rand!
"I'm a republican!"
I've read Tolkien
"IMA FUCKIN ELF"

let them sink

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:01 No.10052793

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:01 No.10052793

Replies: >>10052914

>>10052743
i think you're confusing me with someone who has been in this thread.

off to work. don't worry about what that is. you wouldn't like it.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:07 No.10052868

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:07 No.10052868

>>10052758
>their is nothing
Owkay I guess.

>if you do use force then you are not libertarian rather authoritarian
The problem we face is that the current system is exploitative of workers.

If you'd read Proudhon you'd know that private property in itself is theft.

Why? Because lead to it's ultimate consequence: some people have right to starve others, for instance.

Letting such violence exist in a free society is absurd. How do you fight the violent? With violence if necessary.

I don't think that on a large scale it'd be necessary since factory/land owners don't even reside where their private property is at.

Another thing is that after taking their precious sources of exploitation they'd receive the same benefits just as everybody else.

Looking at the current shares of property and wealth in the US for instance would mean that 99% of people would live significantly better, while the 1% couldn't enjoy caviar as much.

Truly, the anarchists are fascists.

(I didn't put "left" before anarchist since it is only coherent in a collectivist framework.)

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:10 No.10052899

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:10 No.10052899

>>10052760
>Greed in itself is not bad. It becomes bad when ones greed destroys the lives and prosperity of others.
There is no guarantee of a brake or balance in state/stateless capitalism that this wouldn't be always the case.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:12 No.10052914

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:12 No.10052914

>>10052660
>I'm genuinely interested how you maintain your ego in such cases.

>>10052793
>you're confusing me with someone who has been in this thread

ok.jpg

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:12 No.10052917

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:12 No.10052917

Hi OP. Recently got back from vacation where I traveled by train.

Civilized travel really. Didn't need to be groped by the TSA. Hell, didn't even need to purchase my ticket until after I boarded. Did your last plane ride have an observation deck? Oh, and it was cheap.

So that got me wondering why in this age could travel by train be so cheap. Government subsidy? Possibly, but that doesn't explain why tons are shipped to and fro.

But I did figure it out. So my question to you OP is why shipping by train so efficient? If you can't answer this, kill yourself immediately.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:12 No.10052924

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:12 No.10052924

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>>10051844
>There he made friends with the most successful Danish pirate in the world
>Danish pirate

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:13 No.10052926

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:13 No.10052926

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what's wrong with a movie about trains?

sounds like a winner to me

Ayn Rand sucks

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:17 No.10052974

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:17 No.10052974

Replies: >>10053001

>>10052924

Yes. The pirate's name is Ragnar Danneskold. He is one of the three smartest men in the world. He is also the most beautiful man in the world, and married to the most beautiful woman in the world. Also, he's an invincible pirate who has completely locked down the world's oceans and stolen entire battleships.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:19 No.10053001

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:19 No.10053001

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>>10052974
Man... I have heard Rand was a shit writer but I never thought it was this bad.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:23 No.10053060

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:23 No.10053060

>>10052926
loled so hard

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:23 No.10053069

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:23 No.10053069

>>10052274
Eddie didn't die. He was left behind in an uncertain future, but he didn't *die*. His fate was to show how the common man was a victim of collectivist policies that hampered the supermen who created the things that made his life possible.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:28 No.10053138

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:28 No.10053138

Replies: >>10053161

Can someone explain the John Galt torture scene? I understand that it is trying to make a point that all evil needs to destroy the good is sanction (Galt is so opposed to evil that he refuses to let even physical torture to hurt him), but wasn't it previously established in the novel that the evil COULD destroy the good, but would destroy itself in the process?

Galt as a superman who can stand even electric torture kinda contradicts that. Even a Randian superman dies if he is shot.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:29 No.10053156

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:29 No.10053156

Replies: >>10053187

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Ayn rand explained in one picture.

Seriously, anybody got a link? I've gotta watch this shit, it got 5% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:30 No.10053161

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:30 No.10053161

Replies: >>10053204

>>10053138

The whole point of that scene, was John Galt is awesome and his enemies are incompetent. It was just bullshit. Everything that happened after Dagny found Galt's Gulch was retarded.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:32 No.10053187

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:32 No.10053187

>>10053156
I've found the first one on stagevu.com
Anybody got a link for part II ??

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:33 No.10053204

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:33 No.10053204

Replies: >>10053285

>>10053161
Another interesting thing is how Rand's villains devolve from book to book. Compare Ellsworth Toohey to Jim Taggart, for instance.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:38 No.10053285

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:38 No.10053285

Replies: >>10053313 >>10053341

>>10053204
You guys actually like the novel?

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:40 No.10053313

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:40 No.10053313

>>10053285
Interesting is not the same as good.

Personally, I think Atlas is interesting in the first two thirds and a hysterical trainwreck in the last one. The Fountainhead is better and it has almost a completely different feeling from Atlas.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:41 No.10053334

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:41 No.10053334

>>10051955
Eddie dies?
Fuck, I read just enough of that book before I quit to meet and like him.
Ayn Rand really is a shrill cunt.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:42 No.10053341

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:42 No.10053341

Replies: >>10053528

>>10053285

I absolutely hated Atlas Shrugged, and I'm a conservative. The book is boring as fuck, the characters could not be more flat, it's filled with unnecessary bullshit, weak characterization, and shitty plot twists. It's Ayn Rand's Twilight. It literally has an Ayn Rand self insert. I'm not even joking. She put herself in the book as some beautiful writer who was abandoned by the world because her books were too amazing for the common man.

The Fountainhead, though, is a pretty damn good book.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)08:54 No.10053528

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)08:54 No.10053528

Replies: >>10053634

>>10053341
You seem to know what you are talking about.

>Fountainhead
>good book
why?

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:01 No.10053634

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:01 No.10053634

Replies: >>10053677 >>10053723 >>10053754 >>10053950

>>10053528

One, the characters are not flawless or flat like in Atlas Shrugged. Peter Keating is the Jim Taggert of The Fountainhead, but Keating is sympathetic, intelligent in his own way, seeks true redemption, etc. He is humanized. Jim Taggert is a caricature of everything Rand thinks is sad and loathsome.

In Atlas Shrugged, the protagonists are perfect and selfless and it's like they all have a hivemind and perfectly understand each other always. In The Fountainhead, the protagonists can be selfish, irrational, petty, vengeful, wounded, and straight up malicious. Fountainhead does characterization right.

Second, The Fountainhead presents a much clearer and tighter narrative. Atlas Shrugged is a manifesto, a shitty love story, and then inexplicably an action-adventure story at the end and shit suffers for it.

Third, Fountainhead is better edited and has more efficient prose. Atlas Shrugged, Rand clearly had more control leading to cornball overwrought writing.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:04 No.10053677

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:04 No.10053677

Replies: >>10053723 >>10053754 >>10053950

>>10053634

Oh and the only "perfect" character in Fountainhead is Roark, the main protagonist, and even then unlike in Atlas Shrugged where the good guys succeed all the time nonstop, Roark suffers, gets outplayed, and even loses a couple times. He sticks to his principles but goes through hell for them, unlike the fucking supermen of Atlas Shrugged who never lose or feel doubt.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:07 No.10053723

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:07 No.10053723

>>10053677
>>10053634
On top of what this anon says, Atlas is just plain long and boring.
It just has nothing going for it that would make it an interesting read, along with exposing a shitty ideology that apparently includes me hating charities.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:09 No.10053754

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:09 No.10053754

Replies: >>10053950

>>10053634
>>10053677

Finally, The Fountainhead leaves some shit open. It feels more like a real story because some things are left unresolved and up to speculation. You get enough that you don't think "wait, whatever happened to..." but it doesn't go out of its way to explain every little thing.

In Atlas Shrugged, Rand really does try to explain every fucking thing and wrap up every fucking thing. And it makes the book worse.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:21 No.10053950

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:21 No.10053950

Replies: >>10054000

>>10053634
>>10053677
>>10053754
I KNEW IT, YOU ARE A TEENAGER!!!!!

ONLY BRATS SEEING THEIR OWN MISERY'S RELFECTION LEADING THEM TO GREED LIKE THIS SHIT

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:22 No.10053966

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:22 No.10053966

>>10052727
JUST READ THESE FUCKING BOOKS

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:24 No.10054000

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:24 No.10054000

>>10053950

What the fuck are you talking about?

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:37 No.10054244

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:37 No.10054244

>>10053001

Well, she only got published because fanfiction.net didn't exist back then.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:44 No.10054371

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:44 No.10054371

Replies: >>10054447 >>10054724

You should have known after seeing the first one not to watch the second. The movies are shit tier.

On the other hand the book is great, for several reasons, the first being its a damn good book and the second being no other book has made so many people that have never read it rage over it.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:49 No.10054447

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:49 No.10054447

Replies: >>10054500

>>10054371

No fuck you, the book sucks.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:52 No.10054500

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:52 No.10054500

Replies: >>10054534

>>10054447
Calm down sonny, put a lid on all that autism, some people like things you don't like.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:52 No.10054514

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:52 No.10054514

Replies: >>10054550 >>10054557

>>10051626

yup, just like L Ron Hubbard

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:53 No.10054534

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:53 No.10054534

Replies: >>10054581

>>10054500

You tell me that some people will like things I don't like, yet call me autistic for disagreeing with you that the book is great?

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:54 No.10054550

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:54 No.10054550

>>10054514
Coincidentally they also both spawned religions dedicated to their books.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:54 No.10054557

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:54 No.10054557

Replies: >>10054647

>>10054514
Makes sense, his science fiction books are pretty good.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:55 No.10054581

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:55 No.10054581

Replies: >>10054608 >>10054627

>>10054534
No, I'm calling you autistic for getting mad over something that is subjective.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:57 No.10054608

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:57 No.10054608

Replies: >>10054627 >>10054655

>>10054581

I'm not mad though, the book just sucks. If anything, you are the autist because you think you can psychoanalyze people over 1 line posts they make on the internet. Think about it. You may learn something.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:57 No.10054623

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:57 No.10054623

>>10051776
>autocratic hierarchies of the wage system
yeah, it's called "working for your own money" you sad homosexual

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:58 No.10054627

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:58 No.10054627

>>10054608
>>10054581
Shut up, you're both autists.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:59 No.10054642

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:59 No.10054642

>>10051882
Corporations earn that right you piece of garbage, do you think coca cola existed magically since forever you retarded faggot? it started with a small shop no larger than a cottage.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:59 No.10054647

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:59 No.10054647

>>10054557

you serious homie?
dianetics was awful.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:59 No.10054649

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:59 No.10054649

Replies: >>10054678

The movie doesn't get Ayn Rand anyway. The most spectacular shots are of untouched wilderness and we have a lot of close-ups in detriment of buildings and other artificial structures that were so emphasized on the novel.

It is kinda pathetic that Randroids are drooling over it. Shows that even they don't get their philosophy.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:59 No.10054654

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:59 No.10054654

Replies: >>10054675

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Oh look, another thread about Ayn Rand.

Whoever keeps making those "atheism is the easiest religion to troll" should change it. Objectivism is the easiest religion to troll. By far.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)09:59 No.10054655

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)09:59 No.10054655

>>10054608
>No fuck you
Sounds pretty mad to me.

ttyl

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)10:00 No.10054675

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)10:00 No.10054675

>>10054654
Yet the atheism threads always fill right up.
And the atheists lose every time.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)10:00 No.10054678

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)10:00 No.10054678

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>>10054649
>It is kinda pathetic that Randroids are drooling over it. Shows that even they don't get their philosophy.
If they did get it, they wouldn't be following her in the first place.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)10:01 No.10054697

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)10:01 No.10054697

>>10052213
nobody takes anything away from you you piece of shit, it's not slavery you can go wherever the fuck you want, its not the systems fault you are a sack of shit that can't do anything besides flipping burgers
you want more money? prove you can do better than the other 18974191 people who also want that money otherwise go to the street and beg like a hobo faggot

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)10:02 No.10054724

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)10:02 No.10054724

Replies: >>10054756 >>10054787

>>10054371

>It's a good book because it's a good book

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)10:04 No.10054756

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)10:04 No.10054756

>>10054724
Randists can't into logic. If they could, they wouldn't be Randists.

Ayn Rand is the polandball of philosophy. But at least polandball saved Europe from kebab and communism in the past.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)10:04 No.10054766

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)10:04 No.10054766

Replies: >>10054843

>>10053001
Thats not true either....
He's locked down a few great lakes, not the whole of the oceans.
Duh

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)10:05 No.10054787

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)10:05 No.10054787

>>10054724
Was I supposed to write an essay for 4chan on why I liked Atlas Shrugged?

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)10:07 No.10054810

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)10:07 No.10054810

>>10051696
I, too, have always thought that Fountainhead was the better book. It's harder for political types to latch on to though.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)10:08 No.10054841

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)10:08 No.10054841

>propaganda movie
>worried about being accurate or appealing
Pick one

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)10:08 No.10054843

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)10:08 No.10054843

Replies: >>10054880

>>10054766

No, he locked down the whole of the oceans. The book makes it very clear that he is so good that he has effectively shut down trade between nations separated by water. Aid cannot be sent to Europe because he's got the whole ocean locked down. He's got whole world governments after him, and he beats them all and takes their shit.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)10:10 No.10054880

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)10:10 No.10054880

>>10054843
Yeah, its pretty fucking stupid.
Then again so is her entire narrative and all of her plot devices.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)10:24 No.10055119

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)10:24 No.10055119

One thing I really hated about Atlas was Rand descrbing everything 5 different ways. It's not enough to tell you that John Galt is inspiring. How inspiring is John Galt? Like gazing at the sun, like meeting a god one dreams about in childhood, like touching the tangible fantasies of that which resides universally in each human soul, like, like, like, like, like...

OP
02/09/13(Sat)10:36 No.10055364

OP 02/09/13(Sat)10:36 No.10055364

Replies: >>10055672

They should have just ditched the film altogether. The only reason they released Part 1 was because their rights to produce it were going to expire if they didn't make the movie.

This is the problems with libertarians. They don't know how to property utilize their resources to spread their message in any sort of rational way that will convince others to come their way.

They should have just made a fucking movie about current events, fictional or otherwise, with a libertarian spin on everything. I.e., economic collapse of 2014 or some shit. Ditch the entire Atlas Shrugged story & write something new; more freedom to write about whatever you want.

tl;dr - Should have ditched Atlas Shrugged altogether, and just made some other "libertarian" movie.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)10:57 No.10055672

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)10:57 No.10055672

Replies: >>10055828

>>10055364

Honestly, they should have just made 2 Fountainhead movies or something. Yes, I know there already is one from the 40s.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)11:05 No.10055803

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)11:05 No.10055803

Replies: >>10057125

>hipster student reading Ayn Rand
>Asks teacher what he thinks
"She's a selfish elitist."
>Hipster goes back to reading
my sides, /pol/, they ached

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)11:06 No.10055818

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)11:06 No.10055818

Replies: >>10057208

>>10051580 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scrmiNeqjM0
I heard this diabolic book is like second bible in US. Is it true?

OP
02/09/13(Sat)11:06 No.10055828

OP 02/09/13(Sat)11:06 No.10055828

Replies: >>10055885

>>10055672
Maybe. I dunno what that movie's about either. Watching AS Part 1 right now. Fucking sucks.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)11:09 No.10055885

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)11:09 No.10055885

>>10055828

The Fountainhead is basically about a guy who wants to be an architect, and he wants to build purposeful, modern architecture, but he's a pariah because everyone prefers classical architecture.

I don't recommend you watch the old one, the pacing is weird and it's aged pretty badly. The screenplay was written by Rand herself.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)12:09 No.10057125

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)12:09 No.10057125

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>>10055803

One day I'd like to go to Starbucks and sit there reading a copy of Atlas Shrugged.

Anonymous
02/09/13(Sat)12:13 No.10057208

Anonymous 02/09/13(Sat)12:13 No.10057208

>>10055818
lol that video

>muh jesus