Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)20:52 No.9443909

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)20:52 No.9443909

faggot

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)20:53 No.9443912

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)20:53 No.9443912

ur a faget

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)20:53 No.9443923

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)20:53 No.9443923

Replies: >>9444075

File: 1358819596143.jpg-(218 KB, 800x602, 1355795602295.jpg)

>Party Structure

The Democratic Workers Council is split into several tiers that are in place to allow the workers to have control over policy of the party

First Tier: Workers
Workers will vote in Council Meetings on policy of the party. The majority of votes for or against policy will become that Councils stance.

Second Tier: Local Council Panel
The Local Council Panel is an administrative panel that organizes and coordinates local party goals and policy.

Third Tier: Senate Representative
The Senate Representative is a member from the local council panel that will vote in the Senate the same way the workers voted in the council meetings.

Forth Tier: Central Party Council
The Central Party Council is an administrative panel that organizes and coordinates party goals and policy on a party wide scale.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)20:54 No.9443955

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)20:54 No.9443955

Replies: >>9444050

As long as there isn't a single leader or small group of leaders.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)20:55 No.9443982

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)20:55 No.9443982

Replies: >>9444050 >>9444075

holy shit

OP is not a fag

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)20:55 No.9444004

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)20:55 No.9444004

Replies: >>9444050 >>9444075

How do I join? I want to join. This will be the next big thing.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)20:57 No.9444050

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)20:57 No.9444050

Replies: >>9444075

>>9443955
The idea of the party is to try set up a system where the Government only acts in an administrative role, not the hierarchical structure that is in place today.

>>9443982
You can thank many /pol/ users in the thread yesterday who expanded upon the idea.

>>9444004
Still want to expand on ideas before creating an official page and to go on the recruitment phase to get the party officially recognized as a political organization.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)20:58 No.9444075

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)20:58 No.9444075

Replies: >>9444133

>>9443847 (OP)
>>9443923
>>9443982
>>9444004
>>9444050

>samefagging your own thread

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)20:59 No.9444089

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)20:59 No.9444089

Replies: >>9444200 >>9444288

>>9443847 (OP)
Yeah, this will be about as successful as the island nations that /b/, /k/, /new/, and /pol/ has repeatedly tried to found.

And about as retarded.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:00 No.9444133

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:00 No.9444133

>>9444075
Well, I for one am not OP. I'm down.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:02 No.9444200

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:02 No.9444200

>>9444089
Starting a political organization needs 500 signatures of registered voters.

Starting an island nation requires millions, if not billions of dollars.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:03 No.9444219

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:03 No.9444219

Due to the problems inherent in modern political process, the party should concentrate its efforts on organizing workers and promoting autogestion (workers' self-management of businesses)

Spawning a social movement like this is much easier than getting through the barriers set up (especially in the US) to prevent interference with the bought politicians

I mean hell, even occupy managed Bank Transfer Day that got loads of people shifting money out of banks and into credit unions

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:04 No.9444253

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:04 No.9444253

Replies: >>9444381

Stand up, all victims of oppression,
For the tyrants fear your might!

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:05 No.9444288

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:05 No.9444288

>>9444089
Yeah, except that political parties are relatively easy to get off the ground, whereas island nations are a fucking ridiculous pipe dream.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:07 No.9444322

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:07 No.9444322

Replies: >>9444499

>>9443847 (OP)
would our party work into the current US system? or would we try to be separate?

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:08 No.9444381

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:08 No.9444381

Replies: >>9444422 >>9444792

>>9444253
moar slogans

we need to tap into gen y's disaffected, overeducated, underemployed demographic. That's how the arab revolutions happened. We just need to wait for a demographic tipping point (enough boomers die).

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:08 No.9444382

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:08 No.9444382

File: 1358820526604.jpg-(38 KB, 430x320, missile-command-psp.jpg)

Here you go, Reds.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:10 No.9444422

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:10 No.9444422

Replies: >>9444578 >>9444617

>>9444381
that's just the opening line of The Internationale. But ya, we need some good slogans

JewBear !DIzIjpwuu.
01/21/13(Mon)21:11 No.9444461

JewBear !DIzIjpwuu. 01/21/13(Mon)21:11 No.9444461

Ill sign

Start an Internet petition thing

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:11 No.9444465

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:11 No.9444465

Replies: >>9444498

>>9443847 (OP)
>Syndicalist

Sooooo.... Something to do with robots?

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:12 No.9444498

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:12 No.9444498

>>9444465
syndicalism is trade union democracy

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:12 No.9444499

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:12 No.9444499

>>9444322
This party has no way to manage to get in the US political system, simply because it is already nearly outlawed. The patriot act allow for those kind of political police to arrest you under the guise of "freedom".

Only controlled opposition has a stay in the US, and you are at one media craze away from McCartyism.

JewBear !DIzIjpwuu.
01/21/13(Mon)21:13 No.9444543

JewBear !DIzIjpwuu. 01/21/13(Mon)21:13 No.9444543

Replies: >>9444688

File: 1358820831411.jpg-(11 KB, 241x175, image.jpg)

Forgot pic

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:14 No.9444578

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:14 No.9444578

Replies: >>9444718

>>9444422

Concentration of wealth in a few hands has led to widespread deprivation in some of the world's richest nations.

How has this come about?

Capital.

In our society, the easiest way to make money is just owning a lot of money and charging rent for its use.

Actually working for a living is paid peanuts compared to the return on capital.

This is why we propose that this system of rent seeking be eliminated.

Like the peasants throwing off the yoke of the landlords, the workers will own their means of livelihood and no one will profit from idleness.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:16 No.9444613

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:16 No.9444613

Replies: >>9444693 >>9444865

is there anyone on /pol/ that works or has worked in a cooperative and can talk about their experience there. Is it a viable form of business?

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:16 No.9444617

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:16 No.9444617

Replies: >>9444865

>>9444422
Alright, so first thing's first- this worker language is a bit... outdated. We are low on manufacturing, and high on low-hour service industry jobs. Those people don't think of themselves as "workers." How about "citizens," or something.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:16 No.9444645

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:16 No.9444645

File: 1358821019463.jpg-(40 KB, 401x425, some_lies.jpg)

How long until the purges?

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:17 No.9444656

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:17 No.9444656

Replies: >>9444777 >>9445529

File: 1358821040960.png-(8 KB, 345x323, swastika.png)

>implying /pol/ won't shut down your leftard party

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:18 No.9444680

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:18 No.9444680

The party has to be transparent as humanly possible.

That means all finances and transactions should be completely transparent along with votes.

On the voting idea, here is something you might want to add, the idea of "posting votes" through the internet or a party app.

Party members register to the party website and that allows them to vote, remotely on policies and such.

I think that votes should only happen once a month, while the meetings should be weekly which would allow for and against debate. The actual debates could be held in a central location, then broadcast over radio and through the internet to the local councils (and anyone online).

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:18 No.9444687

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:18 No.9444687

Replies: >>9445118

File: 1358821105089.jpg-(546 KB, 3000x2337, reagan.jpg)

We really need to drive these Commies from /pol/

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:18 No.9444688

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:18 No.9444688

>>9444543
>Forgot pic

Almost looks like a wheelchair handicapped logo

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:18 No.9444693

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:18 No.9444693

>>9444613
Its as good as the people working there. Like any business, it comes down to the value of your employees and the value of your product in the market.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:19 No.9444718

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:19 No.9444718

Replies: >>9445515

>>9444578
See, people in western democracies aren't really doing productive work anymore. People are in a sort of uncomfortable position as distributors/consumers. If you are proposing to return means of production to US, I'm all for it, but we have to work within current reality.

Also, what about automation in manufacturing?

captcha: theyJou purge

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:20 No.9444734

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:20 No.9444734

>>9443847 (OP)
Where do I sign?

I have to warn you though. If the party starts flirting with Totalist scum, I am out of here.
Remember Spain.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:21 No.9444761

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:21 No.9444761

fag..

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:21 No.9444777

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:21 No.9444777

>>9444656
Fuck off. Communism is decidedly against liberalism. No one is talking about that. Now, if you want to have some old-school nazi-commie showdown, I'd like to remind you that National Socialism is basically Communism + racism.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:22 No.9444785

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:22 No.9444785

American socialist here. I'm interested. Register this as a real political party and I'll join.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:22 No.9444792

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:22 No.9444792

>>9444381
>we need to tap into gen y's disaffected, overeducated, underemployed demographic

If that's the case, go with "Join The Democratic Workers Council, it will totally get you laid!"

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:22 No.9444806

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:22 No.9444806

Replies: >>9444860 >>9445054

The party should really focus on economics and workers rights at the moment.

Spread into social leftism and you alienate a lot of people and dilute the point of the party.

This is what happened at Occupy Wall Street.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:22 No.9444811

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:22 No.9444811

If no trotskyism I wont join

Fandroid !p6ktXMpsfc
01/21/13(Mon)21:23 No.9444815

Fandroid !p6ktXMpsfc 01/21/13(Mon)21:23 No.9444815

Replies: >>9444837

Also have you heard of Mondragon?

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:23 No.9444837

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:23 No.9444837

>>9444815
Yeah, one of the biggest companies in spain and it is a Co-op.
It's awesome.

JewBear !DIzIjpwuu.
01/21/13(Mon)21:24 No.9444845

JewBear !DIzIjpwuu. 01/21/13(Mon)21:24 No.9444845

Replies: >>9444897

Op not a troll make an email so I can help out I've been thinking about something just like this we could bounce some ideas

I'm all in and I know at least 100 other people who would be too

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:24 No.9444860

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:24 No.9444860

>>9444806
this is important.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:24 No.9444865

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:24 No.9444865

Replies: >>9445026 >>9445151

European anon here

>>9444617

We should call them exactly what they are : they are the economy. The workers (blue collar, white collar, whatever) are the only ones to create wealth in the capitalist system. We shouldn't demonize the banks neither - some of them are totally legit, and there is even coop banks where I live.

What we have to do is remind everyone that the parasites aren't the welfare crowd. The parasites are in wall street, living off the work of the workers - every worker, from the manager to the toilet scrubber - and living way better than them. We should appeal from the upper middle class to the bottom of the worker class.

>>9444613

It's really viable on the long-term business. I worked with a cooperative for some time and what I can say is that the workers are way more motivated and productive than in any company i've worked with.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:26 No.9444897

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:26 No.9444897

>>9444845
You linked this site from a nazi thread.
Are you one of those retards, who thing, National Socialism is a left-wing movement?

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:26 No.9444917

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:26 No.9444917

Replies: >>9444958

OP here.
Do you want me to create a facebook page or google group or something so we can all throw ideas around?

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:27 No.9444958

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:27 No.9444958

Replies: >>9444992

>>9444917
I neither use facebook nor google.
But if there is no alternative, go ahead.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:29 No.9444992

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:29 No.9444992

Replies: >>9445058 >>9445561

>>9444958
Just thinking of places that allow you to create groups that people can just drop in and discuss stuff or drop files and such.

And before someone says it. No, we are not using Reddit. Ever.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:29 No.9445002

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:29 No.9445002

Replies: >>9445335 >>9445430 >>9446435

/pol/ is a right-wing board.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:30 No.9445026

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:30 No.9445026

Replies: >>9445148

>>9444865
income inequality is huge in the news right now. a grass roots party on the left that promotes this idea of Wall Street leechers could become pretty popular.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:31 No.9445054

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:31 No.9445054

>>9444806
>Spread into social leftism
If you mean the social justice shit, it's a no-go. Total equality, no discrimination from the state neither positive nor negative. End of the story.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:31 No.9445058

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:31 No.9445058

Replies: >>9445561

>>9444992
I agree with the reddit thing.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:32 No.9445077

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:32 No.9445077

>>9443847 (OP)
I vote for no pants tuesday, and i want all vending mechines to be Subsidized those fuckin barriots are pricey, workin voice unite!

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:32 No.9445081

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:32 No.9445081

File: 1358821934182.jpg-(21 KB, 250x327, we-are-all-socialists-now.jpg)

Policy demands:
1) All offices must be decided by direct election of party members.
2) Voting must use a runoff system so that members may make preferential vote choices for candidate. We must use this both for fairness and true democracy in our own organization, and as an example to the nation of what real inclusive democratic process looks like.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:33 No.9445118

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:33 No.9445118

>>9444687
Back in your grave, mindless old man.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:34 No.9445138

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:34 No.9445138

File: 1358822057058.jpg-(78 KB, 639x595, tears.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvpv9fcgXpU

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:34 No.9445148

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:34 No.9445148

>>9445026
To gather people we should really focus on bringing down the barriers to create worker's collectives. By no means we should appears like the ones not encouraging innovation. The key word is bringing down the unnecessary hierarchies. Free market at work : shareholders and CEOs are a pure drain on the economy and exist only due to the complicity of the state against the normal people.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:34 No.9445151

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:34 No.9445151

Replies: >>9445642

>>9444865

This.

The parasites were always the landlords and capitalists, but the right wing disinfo has tried to distract people's outrage with 'muh welfare queens'

Also

>>I worked with a cooperative for some time and what I can say is that the workers are way more motivated and productive than in any company i've worked with.

Can you share the principles/business practises with us?

We need a successful model. Something where we can give a set of practises and point to the real world and say 'look, its not utopian, there are people already doing this'

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:37 No.9445232

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:37 No.9445232

Replies: >>9445289 >>9445336

>>9443847 (OP)
>The Internationale (Billy Bragg)

nope. either soviet or original french. billy bragg is a fag. at least pick a better english version fuck

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:39 No.9445289

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:39 No.9445289

Replies: >>9445526 >>9445631

>>9445232
The other versions of the internationale are either dated or pretty fucking hardcore.

For example:
You've sucked enough of our blood, you vampires,
With prison, taxes and poverty!
You have all the power, all the blessings of the world,
And our rights are but an empty sound!
We'll make our own lives in a different way -
And here is our battle cry:
All the power to the people of labour!
And away with all the parasites!

Not sure how that would go down these days.

Come up with new lyrics if you want.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:40 No.9445321

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:40 No.9445321

Replies: >>9445519 >>9445520

Unions must be more active.
If a factory shuts down, because the company moves everything to cheap labour countries, the workers should not complain about their loss of workplace.
They should emancipate and run the factory by themselves.

Happened to us years ago. It was a fiasco, what the union performed. We had even the chancellor and the minister president of the land here. Now the city which the factory lies on is as good as dead. And it's halls unused.

Shamefur dispray.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:40 No.9445335

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:40 No.9445335

Replies: >>9445446

>>9445002
Us communists have just lain quietly

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:40 No.9445336

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:40 No.9445336

>>9445232
Bragg's version is updated and can appeal to a newer generation that can't really relate to the labor struggles of the past, but instills the same values

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:43 No.9445430

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:43 No.9445430

Replies: >>9445466

File: 1358822624570.jpg-(61 KB, 960x718, 1349050271497.jpg)

>>9445002
exactly.
How the fuck did this came to fruition with the elder whites' authorization?

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:44 No.9445446

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:44 No.9445446

Replies: >>9445530 >>9445689

>>9445335
This.

And yet... Browsing here silently has allowed me to realize the entire communist movement may have been a Zionistic design.
Can I get some actual info on this? I'm confused.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:44 No.9445455

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:44 No.9445455

Please send link to Facebook page

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:44 No.9445466

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:44 No.9445466

>>9445430

We are always here.

Watching.

Waiting for the right moment.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:45 No.9445485

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:45 No.9445485

we should form a /pol/ workers commune

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:46 No.9445515

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:46 No.9445515

>>9444718
We should be for domestic tariffs for that reason. We have no manufacturers because we're competing with third world slaves like the Chinese. But the Chinese don't have free trade in return and they protect their markets against flooding. Which is why China is making all our stuff now.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:46 No.9445519

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:46 No.9445519

>>9445321

This.

They should just do a Brukman.

Capitalists always get embarrassed when the workers are able to turn a business around from bankruptcy to productivity in the absence of the command staff

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:46 No.9445520

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:46 No.9445520

Replies: >>9445568 >>9445613 >>9445616 >>9445714

File: 1358822793945.jpg-(66 KB, 620x465, UNION-JOB-SECURITY-1-620x465.jpg)

>>9445321
fuck your unions. They significantly drove up the price of labor and caused the migration of automobile factories to the sout.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:46 No.9445526

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:46 No.9445526

>>9445289
>You've sucked enough of our blood, you vampires,
1%
>With prison, taxes and poverty!
99%
>You have all the power, all the blessings of the world,
Again, 1%
>And our rights are but an empty sound!
Muh Guns, Zimmerman, Etc.
>We'll make our own lives in a different way -
>And here is our battle cry:
>All the power to the people of labour!
Maybe change labour?
>And away with all the parasites!
Niggers.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:46 No.9445529

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:46 No.9445529

Replies: >>9445639 >>9445712

>>9444656
>implying nazi's weren't the left in germany at the time

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:46 No.9445530

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:46 No.9445530

Replies: >>9445644

>>9445446
According to stormfags everything outside their viewpoint is a zionist design.
Seriously, I browse here out of bile fascination.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:47 No.9445561

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:47 No.9445561

Replies: >>9445599

>>9444992
>>9445058
Ugh... I hate to admit it, but reddit can be used for this. OP is right that facebook and google are somewhat good options, but reddit lets you have a bit more anonymity. Can't we just create a private sub- only people from this thread and those they invite. Anyone with a.. ahem.. reddit history not allowed.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:47 No.9445568

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:47 No.9445568

>>9445520

the labour struggle is worldwide, now.

mobility of capital means that they can hold an economy hostage and demand 'competitiveness'

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:48 No.9445599

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:48 No.9445599

Replies: >>9445816

>>9445561

I'm not putting my real name on a facebook and google group, at least not yet.

zuckerberg would be more than happy to screw us over.

perhaps a wiki?

JewBear !DIzIjpwuu.
01/21/13(Mon)21:49 No.9445613

JewBear !DIzIjpwuu. 01/21/13(Mon)21:49 No.9445613

>>9445520
This is true and it could have been avoided it is something we should look into

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:49 No.9445616

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:49 No.9445616

>>9445520
Yes, because being able to live from what you earn is basically stealing and a crime against humanity.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:49 No.9445631

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:49 No.9445631

>>9445289
It's still true

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:50 No.9445639

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:50 No.9445639

>>9445529

>nazis

>fought leftists in the streets
>rose to power in coalition with conservatives
>held conservative values
>promoted large industrial conglomerates
>suppressed trade unions

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:50 No.9445642

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:50 No.9445642

Replies: >>9445752

>>9445151
Well, basically it's a normal company. There "normal" workers, but there is also workers who have the task to manage the whole daily shit, like the public relations or the people managing the schedules. Those are sometimes elected if the post is really high-ranked and with a lot of power but generally they are just regular employees with different skills from the bulk of the business. Usually the hierarchy is more a conflict resolution and work assignment than a real hierarchy giving orders.

If you want a more concrete example, I worked with a medium metalworks coop, they were around 100, you had 2 guys busy getting contracts and commands from outside, you had 2 logistics guys,one guy doing most of the paperwork, one engineer taking care of the computer network + computer-assisted machinery, and the rest of the workers was working in the workshops at laser cutting, drilling, milling and others, organized in teams of 10 iirc, with one of them taking the role of "team leader" and distributing work.

There was a lot of meetings and everyone was always informed about everything in the company.

At the end of every 6-month period, there was a big assembly of everything and workers voted where they wanted the profits to go. Usually, it was directly to investment in new machine tools and expanding the business, but there is always insensitive to work more. Salaries were also renegotiated during those assemblies.

The work mentality is really different, because you really work for yourself. Those who slack off tend to be told to get the fuck out, democratically.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:50 No.9445644

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:50 No.9445644

>>9445530
You de-humanize them with that name, yet call them out for the same?
Shame on you.
That said, Stormfront doesn't hold that belief.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:50 No.9445655

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:50 No.9445655

How do you intend to get the initial capital to start these co-ops?

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:51 No.9445663

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:51 No.9445663

Replies: >>9445884

>The Democratic Workers Council is a Revolutionary

Revolutionary, you say? Have you guns?

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:51 No.9445684

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:51 No.9445684

Replies: >>9445901

Sounds nice, but I don't see how it would work due to mans insatiable appetite for greed, conquering, and domination.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:52 No.9445689

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:52 No.9445689

>>9445446
Anyone who has at least read the most basic material about comunnism knows that it doesn't have anything to do with fkin zionism.
Why the fuck would you think a proposed international worker's movement can be asociated with a racist regime in the middle east? fucking stormfags
Just because marx was jewish doesn't make communnism zionist.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:52 No.9445712

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:52 No.9445712

Replies: >>9445830

>>9445529
You suck at history, dude.
The left was KPD, USPD, Spartakus-Bund and so on.
Luxemburg and Liebknecht got killed by Nazis, btw.
Nazis also supported Nationalist Spain who fought against the leftist Republicans.
Explain that.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:52 No.9445714

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:52 No.9445714

>>9445520
Yes. There are less people in unions now than there were in 1983. What is that supposed to prove?

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:53 No.9445726

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:53 No.9445726

>>9443847 (OP)
>no Utah Philips Solidarity Forever
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7NPuK_QhEk

Respect from a CNT-FAI admirer OP.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:53 No.9445752

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:53 No.9445752

Replies: >>9446077

>>9445642

It sounds awesome

I'm really a fan of co-op organization but in my days at /pol/ I've heard the usual objections from the Right, basically

'you cant avoid having managers and executives'

and

'you cant resolve conflicts'

We should probably create or copy some manual of organization

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:55 No.9445796

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:55 No.9445796

File: 1358823330800.jpg-(10 KB, 300x453, Joe_Hill.jpg)

I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night...

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:55 No.9445807

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:55 No.9445807

Replies: >>9445877 >>9445916

Wait, is this OP from Australia?

Like I said, if we're serious about this, we need to contact local existing unions and left wing parties (especially youth groups) and try and find sympathetic to begin our own thing

A bunch of fags from /pol/, splintered by borders, can't accomplish much

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:56 No.9445816

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:56 No.9445816

>>9445599
wiki is the best way. it's a bit late where I am, but if there isn't one when I get off work tomorrow, I'll post again and we'll get it off the ground.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:56 No.9445830

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:56 No.9445830

>>9445712
Right wing commies...leftist nazis...

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:58 No.9445877

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:58 No.9445877

Replies: >>9445940

>>9445807

On the internet, borders dont matter.

We can spread information here just fine, build up an online following

JewBear !DIzIjpwuu.
01/21/13(Mon)21:58 No.9445884

JewBear !DIzIjpwuu. 01/21/13(Mon)21:58 No.9445884

Replies: >>9446031

>>9445663
Yes

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:58 No.9445885

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:58 No.9445885

Also lets not mention /pol/ shall we?

And we need to write a manifesto, and for that we'd need someone with actual political education

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:58 No.9445901

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:58 No.9445901

Replies: >>9445983

>>9445684
Actually, this is the main difference between a classic marxist approach and a syndicalist approach : the syndicalist approach indeed takes into account the basic greed of everyone, and use it to it's full potential.

Take your average joe working 9h hours a day to get a shit salary, he will slack off every time he can. Now tell him he is the owner of his coop along with every other worker : he WILL work more, and it will emulate others. Because they KNOW their work is gonna make some bank, and they know it's their bank, and not the bank of some rich guy in a tower in Manhattan/La Défense/Frankfurt/The City

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:59 No.9445916

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:59 No.9445916

Replies: >>9445981

>>9445807
Though I like the idea of founding the Syndicalist Internationale.

Internationalism is an idea, which got dropped by leftist and watching different leftist parties around the world doing their own thing is kind of amusing.
Meanwhile globalization is at full throttle right now.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)21:59 No.9445940

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)21:59 No.9445940

>>9445877

We could, but that makes it far FAR to easy to be infiltrated by the kind of faggots from reddit that would turn this into identity politics, not to mention that /pol/ is well...extremely trollish and ignorant. You really think you'll get a serious effort?

My suggestion is an irc channel.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:01 No.9445981

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:01 No.9445981

Replies: >>9446018 >>9446190

>>9445916

That could work but you'd still need to find influences and contacts in existing unions

Realistically...we're just a bunch of fags on 4chan. Understand I am speaking 100% seriously right now

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:01 No.9445983

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:01 No.9445983

>>9445901

This.

It solves what marx called 'alienation from the product of labour' which is what happens when you just perform a few unskilled tasks, with no idea of how you fit in to the big picture, and no input, either. It represents a stifling of initiative and turns men into cogs.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:02 No.9446018

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:02 No.9446018

Replies: >>9446081 >>9446190

>>9445981

Making contacts with unions and existing co-ops as well.

We could try act as a federation, bringing these bodies under an alliance.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:02 No.9446031

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:02 No.9446031

>>9445884
Like...enough guns? Because I remember in college this RCP asshole bragging about how he was ready for revolution and all he had was a beat to shit old civvie 74, three nuggets, and goddamn Webley. A Waco stash isn't exactly revolution material and the prices have gone through the roof lately.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:03 No.9446046

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:03 No.9446046

Replies: >>9446086 >>9446131 >>9446166

I have a plea.

I f you are serious about it, please visit /sci/ as much as you can.
The more you know, the more you will be useful to the collective.

Educated worker are the key!

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:04 No.9446077

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:04 No.9446077

>>9445752
Managers exists in coops, don't get that wrong, but even if you look at any capitalist company you'll see that 99% of the business is run by the lowest staff possible, usually without intervention from the upper staff, and even less intervention from the shareholders.

Every single company I worked with could have been a worker's collective. Even a in former nationwide public service, literally everything is managed locally, and the national HQ is basically only here to bring the brand even relations between local centres weren't managed by the national HQ..

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:04 No.9446081

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:04 No.9446081

Replies: >>9446204

>>9446018
a coop federation already exists:
http://www.usworker.coop/front

I dont know the extent of what they do tho

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:04 No.9446086

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:04 No.9446086

>>9446046

I'm already in college so I don't really think that

With that said, we seriously need a better gather point than /pol/
It's just too easy to get infiltrated here

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:05 No.9446131

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:05 No.9446131

Replies: >>9446228

>>9446046
>please visit /sci/
better read books

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:06 No.9446166

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:06 No.9446166

>>9446046

I used to be a /sci/duck

but /pol/ is just funnier

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:07 No.9446190

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:07 No.9446190

>>9445981
I understand your concern.

>>9446018
The problem with the local unions, where I live, is their power structure. The ones in charge are obviously bribed and the people follow them blindly. It's gonna be hard to hack them.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:07 No.9446204

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:07 No.9446204

Replies: >>9446298

>>9446081

wow, shit like this already exists

there are people out there, my anons.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:08 No.9446221

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:08 No.9446221

Please visit www.dawn.coop to connect with the Democracy at Work Network of peer advisors and for technical assistance.

The Democracy at Work Network (DAWN, also known as the Peer Technical Assistance Network) is a project to share the experience and knowledge of seasoned worker cooperators with other worker cooperatives, other cooperative sectors, startup projects, and organizations and groups exploring worker cooperative development.

Worker cooperatives, developers, and startup projects can call DAWN to request low-cost technical assistance in a variety of areas, from cooperative finances to democratic capacity-building, to worker cooperative 101 trainings. Training and information is provided by peer advisors who are members of the network, who work or have worked in worker cooperatives and have a practical lived experience of the topics on which they provide training and advice.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:08 No.9446228

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:08 No.9446228

>>9446131
Whatever fits you most, but since we are at 4chan right now, it is literally one click away.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:10 No.9446298

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:10 No.9446298

Replies: >>9446456

>>9446204
it exists but not in the form that our party is advocating. This group helps provide educational resources to start up co-ops. It's a far cry from a federation of organized industry

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:11 No.9446320

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:11 No.9446320

Replies: >>9446339

oh look another party based on terrible and failed ideas.

>>>/yurop/

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:11 No.9446339

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:11 No.9446339

Replies: >>9446445

>>9446320

CIDF plz go

Anonymous
Fuck your Demoshit(...) 01/21/13(Mon)22:12 No.9446366

Fuck your Demoshit Workers Faggoted Council Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:12 No.9446366

Replies: >>9446434

Fuck you and get out

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:15 No.9446434

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:15 No.9446434

>>9446366
How old is OP ?

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:15 No.9446435

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:15 No.9446435

>>9445002
Oh I'm sorry, then please by all means direct me to the left-wing political board?

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:15 No.9446445

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:15 No.9446445

>>9446339
You know its true. The freest economys in the world have the richest and best off workers. Besides you won't be ending class you will just have party members getting things the average citizen could never hope to get.

Anonymous
01/21/13(Mon)22:15 No.9446456

Anonymous 01/21/13(Mon)22:15 No.9446456

>>9446298
It's basically everything a syndicalist movement needs. We don't need a political party per se, workers coops only need capital to start (provided by a coop bank ?), maybe some help to organize at first and a free market to compete in. That's the way we do it, just forcing the capitalists out of the business. Guess what, it already works.