Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:32 No.10470211

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:32 No.10470211

Replies: >>10470342 >>10474125

>>10470191 (OP)
Now the whole issue lies with gang violence. You'll find that it's the main killer out of all gun related deaths. No one really tries to fix the gang violence though, do they? It seems like an impossible task. Gangs aren't going to be fixed with more arrests or cops busting down doors. It's pretty easy to find a kid who's willing to join a gang when the other guy gets sent off to prison. I think education is the key, as well as infrastructure and the local economy. Getting kids educated so that they understand that joining these groups isn't cool or fun is key. A healthy local economy also allows for businesses to hire more people, hopefully getting kids off the streets so they can make money legally and give back to the community by spending that money on the local businesses or paying taxes. Good roads, bridges, and a cleaner city attracts businesses and people, also boosting the economy. The cities need to be clean up, and it would/will take a while. There's no easy solution to gun violence. It's almost an impossible job. I'm just suggesting starting at the roots, rather than cutting off the leaves and hoping they won't grow back.

/rant

It seems like everyone's talking about guns, so there's my two cents.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:36 No.10470342

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:36 No.10470342

>>10470211
sources:
http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/welcome.htm

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:38 No.10470409

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:38 No.10470409

Replies: >>10472063

I'm for both, as a center-leaning democrat.
...But I also see that what really needs to change for guns has to do with private ownership. Lanza, for instance, got his guns because his mother owned them. There was no law to keep him from getting them, and you really can't restrict it without fucking with other freedoms.
Columbine was done with guns that were legally bought from private owners. You cant' stop it.
Stricter gun control needs to come in the form of restricting the ammunition and mental-health programs, then actually following through with all of the shit we have, right now.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)20:38 No.10472063

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)20:38 No.10472063

>>10470409
I'm just saying that the ideas put forward by politicians, left and right, are going to primarily fight against mass shootings. Of course, mass shootings definitely need to be stopped, I'm not saying what people have put forward is wrong, but if anyone wants to impact all gun violence, gangs and cartels need to be dealt with.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:11 No.10472908

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:11 No.10472908

Replies: >>10472993

>>10470191 (OP)
>Everyone's either pro-gun control or pro-mental help. It doesn't seem like anyone is supporting both ideas.
i'm against both ideas 'cause both ideas are forms of control.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:13 No.10472959

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:13 No.10472959

Replies: >>10473015

Gang violence between gangs isn't a problem. It's actually a very good solution.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:14 No.10472993

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:14 No.10472993

Replies: >>10473280

>>10472908
No control would be great, but humanity isn't mature enough to handle itself without some form of law or laws.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:15 No.10473015

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:15 No.10473015

Replies: >>10473050

>>10472959
To get rid of the gangs? Possibly, but that'll be a while, and the only way that'll happen is if more people die, which I don't support.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:16 No.10473050

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:16 No.10473050

Replies: >>10473069

>>10473015
Why would we get rid of gangs? As long as they maintain fighting one another, they're doing the rest of the country a favor.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:17 No.10473069

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:17 No.10473069

Replies: >>10473111

>>10473050
How so? I thought you meant after a while they'd kill each other off.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:17 No.10473073

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:17 No.10473073

Replies: >>10473544

>>10470191 (OP)

>But giving everyone guns is not the way to combat other guns

Yeah, it pretty much is the only solution.

Although, not being a commie, I think they should buy their own and carry them if they choose.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:18 No.10473111

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:18 No.10473111

Replies: >>10473544

>>10473069
Because they kill one another, keeping those people from procreating as much.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:24 No.10473280

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:24 No.10473280

Replies: >>10473581

>>10472993
If humanity can't be trusted to govern itself, then they shouldn't have any say about who does govern them or what those people do, because they're idiots who need superior people to manage things for them, and obviously only those people would recognize that they were the right ones for the job.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:34 No.10473544

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:34 No.10473544

Replies: >>10473612 >>10473636 >>10474317 >>10474411 >>10474688 >>10474761

>>10473111
I guess, but why not get rid of "those people" by educating them so they can actually contribute to society?

>>10473073
More guns=more death

States with the most guns and least gun restrictions have the highest amount of gun related deaths

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:35 No.10473581

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:35 No.10473581

Replies: >>10473833

>>10473280
Humanity is fucked up, deal with it. It's better with law, though. The people at the top might not be the best, but it sure as hell is better to have at least a little order than mass chaos.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:35 No.10473583

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:35 No.10473583

>>10470191 (OP)

I just dont see it as a medical issue. I barely have the stomach to call the mental health racket medical. These are same fucks that come up with some vogue re-wording of childhood every ten years as a disease and selling parents pills to cure it. Fuck'em. Pardon me if I see giving these quack McDoctors more authority or money.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:36 No.10473612

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:36 No.10473612

>>10473544
Perhaps the cost of educating them exceeds the potential benefit they might offer through their contributions. Not everyone is worth educating.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:37 No.10473636

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:37 No.10473636

Replies: >>10473774

>>10473544

>More guns=more death
>States with the most guns and least gun restrictions have the highest amount of gun related deaths

That's simply not true and by posting drivel such as that you demonstrate how worthless your opinion on the subject really is.

People like you, utterly incapable of being honest on the subject, are why the gun control movement is dead outside of a few liberal strongholds.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:42 No.10473774

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:42 No.10473774

Replies: >>10473933

>>10473636
Actually, you're wrong.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:44 No.10473833

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:44 No.10473833

Replies: >>10473920

>>10473581
I didn't say anything against law, just that that attitude cannot really be compatible with democracy, so I hope you don't support that as well.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:45 No.10473878

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:45 No.10473878

Replies: >>10473989 >>10474176

>>10470191 (OP)
Shooting sprees are a statistic anomaly which gets over hyped by the media. There were two major cases last year and maybe another 150 deaths in public shootings of between 2-5 deaths. This is a tiny fraction of the total gun related violence which occurs primarily in impoverish, urban areas.

The proposed solutions would probably aid in reducing these incidents, but at the cost of individual freedom. However, guns can and are used commonly for self defense in home invasion, burglaries, or muggings which outweighs the cons (in my opinion).

In addition, there is no conclusive evidence to suggest that removing guns would reduce crime rates (which have been going down for almost 30 years). On top of that there is the fact that confiscating the vast majority of guns in the US would be a nigh impossible task costing billions and infringing on a number of other rights such as privacy.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:47 No.10473920

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:47 No.10473920

>>10473833
Laws are more or less forms of control, but I understand your point.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:47 No.10473933

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:47 No.10473933

Replies: >>10474000 >>10474023

>>10473774

It's funny that you think that actually supports your claims, considering what all the murder capitals in the US have in common.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:49 No.10473989

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:49 No.10473989

Replies: >>10474255 >>10474743

>>10473878
Taking away guns isn't going to solve anything, like I said in my original post.
Thousands of people die a year due to gun violence, that's a big deal.

Like I said before, I think the solution is reducing the need to have guns, rather than taking them away.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:50 No.10474000

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:50 No.10474000

Replies: >>10474057

>>10473933
Does it start with an N?

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:51 No.10474023

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:51 No.10474023

Replies: >>10474122

>>10473933
Cities are definitely different, but I think that's because they are hubs for gangs, which brings me back to what I have already said about fixing gangs.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:52 No.10474057

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:52 No.10474057

>>10474000

Certainly one factor. Gun control is another.

Honestly I don't even know what the debate is about. Gun crime is overwhelmingly criminal vs criminal.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:53 No.10474092

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:53 No.10474092

>pro mental help

I wouldn't call republitards keeping a "list" of mentally "ill" people a form of help

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:54 No.10474122

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:54 No.10474122

Replies: >>10474212

>>10474023

Of course it's gangs, and criminals in general. No gun law will ever bother them, though.

If you really wanted to curb gang violence, the best bet would be to end the war on drugs, completely.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:54 No.10474125

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:54 No.10474125

>>10470211
It would seem that no one read this

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:56 No.10474176

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:56 No.10474176

Replies: >>10474269

>>10473878
>The proposed solutions would probably aid in re
Gun control doesn't do shit to stop killing sprees. Europe has the exact same rate of multiple victim public shootings as the US and the same victimization rate.

http://abcb.org/blog/?p=192

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:57 No.10474212

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:57 No.10474212

Replies: >>10474432 >>10474952

>>10474122
And how do we go about that? If we stop busting down doors for drugs, gang on gang violence will stay the same or even increase, seeing as how more gang members would be on the streets. It all leads back to gangs, which leads back to the cities that harbor them, which leads me to the conclusion that cities need to be stopped to end most, if not all, problems.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:58 No.10474252

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:58 No.10474252

Replies: >>10474450

Mandatory militia service for all males over the age of 16 and mandatory firearm ownership.

There, solved gun crime permanently, no need to thank me.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:59 No.10474255

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:59 No.10474255

Replies: >>10474351 >>10474396

>>10473989
>Thousands of people die a year due to gun violence, that's a big deal.
It is a very minor issue. In a country the size of the US this is insignificant. Although our murder rate is higher than some other first world nations it is still an incredibly rare way to die. Considering that the US is based on immigrants with wide variety of cultures it is not a surprise that these figures are higher than the homogeneous nations of Europe.

Does this mean you can sweep it under the rug though? Not really, but if the number of crimes committed each year continues to fall, I don't see a need to tinker.

>reducing the need to have guns, rather than taking them away
Many people buy guns when they feel they are in danger, like moving to a violent neighborhood or hearing about increased robberies in their area. Increases in crime tend to result in increases in gun purchases, not the other way around.

Also, many people buy guns for hobby and sport. Discouraging a harmless hobby that gets people outdoors would do very little to stem homicides. I think the fact that people are experienced with their use and consider them tools makes society safer, than thinking they are some difficult machine that needs extensive training.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:59 No.10474269

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:59 No.10474269

>>10474176
It's all debatable, everyone has their own statistic they can point to. If you are right, then that only emphasizes my point, I think.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:01 No.10474317

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:01 No.10474317

>>10473544
Connecticuit has very strong gun control, according to the brady campaign.

Explain Sandy Hook.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:01 No.10474328

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:01 No.10474328

>people actually japans society is in any way, shape, or form comparable to the united states


liberals are fucking retarded

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:01 No.10474351

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:01 No.10474351

Replies: >>10474535

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>>10474255
Psss, the white(non-hispanic) homicide rate is the same as the averaged rate of Western Europe(excluding the former Warsaw Pact).

I'm not saying it's niggers, but it's niggers.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:03 No.10474396

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:03 No.10474396

Replies: >>10474459 >>10474687 >>10474840

>>10474255
Reducing the need to have them would mean getting rid of crime, then the gun ownership would drop.

Buying a gun needs to come with a reason for ownership and a license for shooting guns specifically at ranges. Of course, if that already exists, I don't think any changes should be made.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:04 No.10474411

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:04 No.10474411

>>10473544
>States with the most guns and least gun restrictions have the highest amount of gun related deaths
Maybe if you include sucicide. But the states with gun control laws have the highest rates of murder and crime in general, and their crime rates are not going down or are decreasing slower than the national average.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:04 No.10474432

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:04 No.10474432

Replies: >>10474535

>>10474212

Do you think some random gangs can compete with Pfizer and CVS?

Legalize drugs and you destroy their primary reason to fight over turf. Not that it will completely end gang violence, but it takes away one of their primary motivators.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:05 No.10474450

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:05 No.10474450

>>10474252

Die in a fire.

Your as bad as the gun banning liberals.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:05 No.10474458

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:05 No.10474458

I'm pro-gun control, by which I mean I support the existing status quo. We already have gun control.

I am against disarmament, which is what most of the liberals actually want.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:05 No.10474459

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:05 No.10474459

Replies: >>10474622

>>10474396
>Buying a gun needs to come with a reason for ownership and a license for shooting guns specifically at ranges. Of course, if that already exists, I don't think any changes should be made.
You're from Europe aren't you? You don't really get why Americans have guns, it's more than just self defense against criminals.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:07 No.10474535

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:07 No.10474535

Replies: >>10475661 >>10475687

>>10474432
>Legalize drugs and you destroy their primary reason to fight over turf.

Didn't really work in Portugal when they legalized drugs because their is still money to be made from shipping drugs with no import tariffs or oversite. And their drug consumption increased.

I don't really give a shit but I don't see a solution to the gang problem, gangs have always existed in society and they always will.

I'd say this >>10474351

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:10 No.10474622

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:10 No.10474622

Replies: >>10474736

>>10474459
Born and raised in Alabama, bro.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:12 No.10474687

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:12 No.10474687

Replies: >>10474865

>>10474396
>Buying a gun needs to come with a reason for ownership and a license for shooting guns specifically at ranges
I disagree with this. Why should a person be limited on where they can take their guns? If a person is acting in a responsible and non aggressive manner there is no reason to limit the locations they can carry.

And why would someone need a license for a gun? It would simply be a way of showing the government has done a background check on you and cataloged you in a filing system. There is no guarantee you are more or less competent than anyone else with firearms. And what happens if a person decided they want to kill someone. Do you think that restrictions on where they can bring the gun with be part of their considerations?

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:12 No.10474688

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:12 No.10474688

Replies: >>10475852

>>10473544
Explain Vermont then fag.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:14 No.10474736

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:14 No.10474736

>>10474622
So you're just retarded and lock federal cock then?

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:14 No.10474743

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:14 No.10474743

Replies: >>10474914

>>10473989

>Taking away guns isn't going to solve anything, like I said in my original post.

You're right, but your solutions are basically
>I know gun control doesn't work
>but we need to get rid of guns so we need gun control anyway
You've got some major cognitive dissonance going on there, buddy.

>Thousands of people die a year due to gun violence, that's a big deal.
It's really not. The vast majority are criminals being killed by criminals, most of them in places with strict gun control. Take out the criminals and the US makes Europe look like a bunch of psychotic barbarians.

>Like I said before, I think the solution is reducing the need to have guns, rather than taking them away.

Wishful thinking. There will always be crime. There will always be robbery, rape, murder.

If anything, you should be encouraging people to carry guns, to defend themselves from the predators who will always exist.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:15 No.10474761

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:15 No.10474761

Replies: >>10474788

>>10473544
>States with the most guns and least gun restrictions have the highest amount of gun related deaths

But that's wrong.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:16 No.10474788

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:16 No.10474788

Replies: >>10474807

>>10474761
Usually gun related deaths includes suicide. More people own guns = more common suicide method

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:17 No.10474807

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:17 No.10474807

Replies: >>10474864 >>10474866

>>10474788
Who cares about suicides? If someone wants to take their own life, that's their business.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:18 No.10474840

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:18 No.10474840

>>10474396

Yeah, we tried those sorts of laws in the US already.

We called them Jim Crow laws.

How about you go fuck yourself, yuopoor.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:19 No.10474864

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:19 No.10474864

>>10474807

Liberals fucking love it.

Only way they can inflate gun deaths to sort of look like a problem.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:19 No.10474865

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:19 No.10474865

Replies: >>10474963 >>10475137

>>10474687
For me, it just lengthens the process which, in the time it takes for a person to get a gun, could discourage them from committing a crime. If someone later decides to kill someone, there's nothing that can be done. The gun violence issue is so complicated there's never going to be a good solution.

We allowed guns from the very beginning, the culture is already here. Japan banned guns (except shotguns and pellet guns) in its constitution, and it has almost no gun violence. That'll never happen in America though, and isn't always the case with other countries. Like I said, complicated.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:19 No.10474866

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:19 No.10474866

>>10474807
Doesn't bother me, just giving an explanation as to why it might be true. People will just cherry pick statistics that work for them without offering detailed analysis.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:21 No.10474914

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:21 No.10474914

Replies: >>10475003

>>10474743
No, my solution, if you read my second post, was getting rid of gangs, or as much as possible.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:23 No.10474952

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:23 No.10474952

>>10474212
Look at what ending prohibition did to the bootleggers, the mafia, and the Chicago mob.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:23 No.10474963

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:23 No.10474963

Replies: >>10475073

>>10474865

>For me, it just lengthens the process which, in the time it takes for a person to get a gun, could discourage them from committing a crime.

It's like arguing with a fucking child.

How come every single thing you halfwits come up with screams projection and inability to think anything through rationally?

You should all be disenfranchised. You're useless. You're a threat to society.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:24 No.10475003

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:24 No.10475003

Replies: >>10475133

>>10474914

And you refused to support any of the suggestions in the thread for getting rid of gangs or limiting their influence.

You still seem big on gun control, though, despite admitting it won't work.

Frankly, I think you're full of shit.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:27 No.10475073

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:27 No.10475073

Replies: >>10475178 >>10475257

>>10474963
Exactly what did I say that was shit? I mean, I realize that making the process longer might not due shit, and that it's a shitty solution, but it doesn't hurt, and any law abiding citizen shouldn't have a problem. Shitty solution to a shitty problem.

I also said that the U.S. isn't ever going to be like the U.S., and that in other countries where gun violence is low have gun laws exactly the opposite of Japan. I used Japan as an example that gun bans have worked before, I never presented it as a solution. I presented ending gang violence as a solution.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:29 No.10475133

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:29 No.10475133

Replies: >>10475242

>>10475003
It won't work, but it doesn't hurt to have it there in some cases. There's an exception to every rule, gun control is filled with them.

I haven't really seen any other suggestions for getting rid of gangs other than getting rid of the war on drugs, which I agree with. I just don't think it's the final solution.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:30 No.10475137

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:30 No.10475137

>>10474865
>it just lengthens the process which, in the time it takes for a person to get a gun, could discourage them from committing a crime
This is generally known as the "cooling off" period which is the idea behind waiting periods. I don't believe crimes are prevented because of these laws as the process to research, buy, and learn how to use a firearm for a first timer would be sufficient to go beyond the range of a crime of passion. After a few hours to a day I would consider the crime premeditated.

>We allowed guns from the very beginning, the culture is already here
Very true. There is a taming the frontier mentality about the US and the population.

>Japan banned guns (except shotguns and pellet guns) in its constitution, and it has almost no gun violence
Japan is a very interesting and complex country that is difficult to compare to the US. First it has a very communal culture, promoting the group first, rather than the individual like in the US. Second it is very homogenous so there are drastically fewer major disputes between cultures. Third, gun violence isn't reported as gun violence unless a perpetrator is found so the numbers are skewed to be lower. Unsolved cases are reported as something separate in statistics which makes determining the actual death total difficult. Also Japan has very well organized mob families, unlike the US's gangs , that help keep gun exports out.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:31 No.10475178

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:31 No.10475178

Replies: >>10475244 >>10475285

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>>10475073

>Exactly what did I say that was shit?

Your liberal fucking fantasy land where waiting periods stop people from committing crimes.

Seriously, anyone this stupid should be sterilized. We don't need your genes fucking up society.

How many people are going to die thanks to your retarded fucking laws, because they realized they might need to protect themselves and then found out they couldn't do it because you wanted to let them fucking cool down?

You are scum of the worst order. I hope karma gives you what you have coming.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:34 No.10475242

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:34 No.10475242

Replies: >>10475334

>>10475133

There's lots of solutions, your ilk refuse to touch any of them.

You could end the drug war.

You could stop subsidizing poverty.

You could stop disarming the law abiding.

You won't do any of that because you adhere to a childish, utopian philosophy that doesn't coincide with reality. You're a bigger threat to society than the drug dealing, gang banger out looking for a rival to shoot at.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:34 No.10475244

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:34 No.10475244

Replies: >>10475374

>>10475178
Irrational anger doesn't further your cause. Take a deep breath, relax, and form coherent arguments (or stop trolling)

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:34 No.10475257

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:34 No.10475257

Replies: >>10475356 >>10475465

>>10475073
> I realize that making the process longer might not due shit, and that it's a shitty solution, but it doesn't hurt

But it does hurt. You even admit it's an irrational law when you say it won't achieve anything. It may just seem as a minor inconvenience to lawful gun owners, but it's more than that. It's a precedent that says, "we will enact irrational laws against gun owners because they might stop some crime, with no data or reason to support this theory."

When you give gun controllers an inch, they take a mile. If you allow them to start passing irrational laws, they'll just want more irrational laws, under the same irrational theories -- "they might stop crime... somewhere, somehow."

Next thing you know we have irrational assault weapon bans, irrational gun-purchases-per-month limitations, irrational ammunition restrictions, and on and on it goes.

Why should we let the camel's nose through the tent? To give you peace of mind?

If you want peace of mind, get a gun.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:36 No.10475285

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:36 No.10475285

>>10475178

>inb4 the police are here to protect you

Castle Rock v. Gonzales

Warren v. District of Columbia

Bowers v. DeVito

Barillari v. City of Milwaukee

Riss v. New York

Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:37 No.10475329

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:37 No.10475329

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Ive ran those big handlers like in the picture before
>mfw all that money

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:37 No.10475334

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:37 No.10475334

>>10475242
Are you kidding me? I've already said disarming is stupid. I already agreed ending the drug war would help. Has subsidizing property even come up?

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:38 No.10475356

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:38 No.10475356

>>10475257
>irrational
This reminds me of when pro gun control arguments favor "rational" or "sensible" laws. The fact they tag those words onto their arguments is a subtle attempt to stifle dissent. It implying anything presented opposing that viewpoint is irrational or insensible and therefor wrong.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:39 No.10475374

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:39 No.10475374

Replies: >>10475443

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>>10475244

Irrational? That's rich coming from you.

I support the rights of the people to defend themselves. You empower criminals.

You'll pay any price in innocent blood in the vain attempt to create your utopia.

You're scum.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:41 No.10475443

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:41 No.10475443

Replies: >>10475518 >>10475616

>>10475374
I am pro gun, but I don't believe shouting down your opponents will change their views, only harden their resolve. Its fun to circle jerk over your views and talk about how stupid the extremists on the other side are, but for every middle ground person converted is a victory. It's why I take all my friends to the range.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:42 No.10475465

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:42 No.10475465

Replies: >>10475616

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>>10475257

On the bright side, the more retarded these guys act, the better off it is for us in the long run, even if it hurts right now.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:44 No.10475518

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:44 No.10475518

Replies: >>10475689

>>10475443
edit: I should probably mention I am not OP

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:48 No.10475616

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:48 No.10475616

Replies: >>10475689

>>10475443

Oh silly little yuropoor. Don't call yourself pro-gun. It's insulting.

Every post you make drives more middle of the ground people to my side.

Every law your fellow travelers here pass ensures my long term victory.

You don't even realize that your allies on this side of the pond self destructed two decades ago: >>10475465

Why do you think the vast majority of people on /pol/ supporting gun control are European? The argument is over. There is no more gun control movement in the US. It's a fractional minority, loud and screeching to be sure, but otherwise insignificant.

Oh, they'll win their little victories here and there in their liberal strongholds. And the backlash will annihilate them.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:50 No.10475661

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:50 No.10475661

>>10474535
>Didn't really work in Portugal when they legalized drugs because their is still money to be made from shipping drugs with no import tariffs or oversite. And their drug consumption increased.
The Mob stopped controlling Liquor production when Liquor was re-legalized.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:51 No.10475687

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:51 No.10475687

>>10474535

Portugal didn't legalize drugs, they decriminalized them.

There is a distinct difference.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:51 No.10475689

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:51 No.10475689

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>>10475616
>Oh silly little yuropoor
I live in the US. I own a 10/22, a Marlin 30-30 and I play to buy an M1 this summer
Fuck off
>>10475518

straight outta /k/ompton
02/20/13(Wed)22:51 No.10475690

straight outta /k/ompton 02/20/13(Wed)22:51 No.10475690

Replies: >>10476108

I live in a shitty ghetto. There are ZERO gun stores within all of metro Los Angeles. The state contends for the strictest gun laws in the country.

I hate the idea of my fucked up ghetto neighbors freely owning guns without government oversight, but guess what. They already do.

And instead of devoting dollars to fighting crime, or making a better economy, or building stronger familes, or a stronger culture, or more effective ways of resolving disputes, I guarantee California will attempt to enact a bunch of idiotic laws made by people who either don't understand or don't give a fuck.

You notice the anti gun fags aren't even pretending that "they're not coming for your guns". Now they're talking about ammo licences, or psych checks, or insurance or a bunch of other shit that will waste money, and not work.

I can't even support gun control ideas that I think would be helpful without thinking of how some retard will attempt to move the ball closer to full disarmament anymore, because that's what keeps happening.

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM
02/20/13(Wed)22:57 No.10475852

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM 02/20/13(Wed)22:57 No.10475852

Replies: >>10475924 >>10476027 >>10476149

>>10474688
VTfag here, latest gun crime? A guy discharging his gun into the ground to break up a fight. We have no laws around here, everyone has a gun, and it is the most peaceful state I have been to.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:59 No.10475924

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:59 No.10475924

Replies: >>10476023 >>10476115

>>10475852
>A guy discharging his gun into the ground to break up a fight
>Thinking this is civilized

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM
02/20/13(Wed)23:03 No.10476023

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM 02/20/13(Wed)23:03 No.10476023

>>10475924
He had been attacked, everyone else was drunk, he knew the sound would scare them off. Would you rather he used brute force like a golf club or bat? That would be more dangerous for all parties involved.

MaineFag !!VqpxjX1nvYl
02/20/13(Wed)23:03 No.10476027

MaineFag !!VqpxjX1nvYl 02/20/13(Wed)23:03 No.10476027

Replies: >>10476078 >>10476149

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>>10475852
Best gun states brofist

Anyone who thinks words on a piece of paper will stop someone from doing something is not thinking.

Dont use feelings, use facts!

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM
02/20/13(Wed)23:05 No.10476078

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM 02/20/13(Wed)23:05 No.10476078

Replies: >>10476278 >>10476402

>>10476027
/k/ here, I just love this state. No crime besides potheads acting retarded, and guns erry' where.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:05 No.10476087

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:05 No.10476087

Replies: >>10476145

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>>10470191 (OP)
>but the laws are supposed to make it so if you follow the law and are of legal age, you'll probably get a gun. The laws are trying to make it harder for bad guys to get them
But that's completely wrong. The proposed laws want to ban sales of "assault weapons" regardless of whether they are by those who follow the law or not (criminal gun sales will of course be unaffected) and are aimed at restricting long guns (the type least commonly used in crime as opposed to pistols)
Not to mention the proposed "assault weapon" ban will affect ALL guns with detachable magazines (pretty much half of guns designed after 1940) if they have one other "military characteristic".

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:06 No.10476108

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:06 No.10476108

Replies: >>10476222

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>>10475690

Give them an inch and they'll take it all.

Join us brother. Be on the side of righteousness.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:06 No.10476115

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:06 No.10476115

>>10475924
>Yuropoors prefer to get culturally enriched.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:07 No.10476145

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:07 No.10476145

Replies: >>10476254

>>10476087
>.22
> Assault Rifle

If the gun looks scary=assault rifle

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:07 No.10476149

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:07 No.10476149

Replies: >>10476213

>>10475852
>>10476027

Fuck yeah, VT. First for constitutional carry.

Shame about those silencer laws, but no one is perfect, I guess.

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM
02/20/13(Wed)23:10 No.10476213

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM 02/20/13(Wed)23:10 No.10476213

Replies: >>10476282 >>10476419

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>>10476149
supressors don't even do much. Although, what if I want a STEN?
Damn I love this state. Maple syrup, forests, snowboarding, nuclear power, guns, 20 year old volvos and subarus, low crime. Feels good man.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:10 No.10476222

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:10 No.10476222

Replies: >>10476297 >>10476352 >>10476371

>>10476108
>female thinking .308 is good for self defense
>woman logic

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:11 No.10476254

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:11 No.10476254

>>10476145
Nope, if it has a detachable mag it's an assault rifle, Leddit said so. Stop trying to distort the facts by using the incorrect NRA definition.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:12 No.10476278

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:12 No.10476278

Replies: >>10476297

>>10476078
Make sure you get in touch with your state senator and representative, and tell them you will be voting for their opponent if they support this latest magazine ban faggotry.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:12 No.10476282

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:12 No.10476282

Replies: >>10476318

>>10476213

STENs are okay in VT.

It just burns my blood that some yuopoors can buy supressors easier than anyone in America can.

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM
02/20/13(Wed)23:13 No.10476297

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM 02/20/13(Wed)23:13 No.10476297

Replies: >>10476351

>>10476222
Some guy used a nugget in self defense. Shot the guy two times, killed him.
>>10476278
>Implying I haven't already

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM
02/20/13(Wed)23:13 No.10476318

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM 02/20/13(Wed)23:13 No.10476318

>>10476282
at least we can use guns in america. CA, NY, CO don't count as america by the way.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:15 No.10476351

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:15 No.10476351

>>10476297
I'm sure people have used hammers in self defense, it doesn't make it a good choice compared to alternatives if the sole intent is self defense.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:15 No.10476352

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:15 No.10476352

Replies: >>10476373

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>>10476222

Not all women are as womanly as American liberal men.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:15 No.10476371

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:15 No.10476371

Replies: >>10476582

>>10476222
1) the M1 garand fires 30-06
2) 308 will put a man down like no one's business

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:15 No.10476373

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:15 No.10476373

Replies: >>10476745

>>10476352
That is so freeking adorable

MaineFag !!VqpxjX1nvYl
02/20/13(Wed)23:17 No.10476402

MaineFag !!VqpxjX1nvYl 02/20/13(Wed)23:17 No.10476402

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>>10476078
luckily we have med pot. Dude got robbed of his plants and guns, cops caught criminal scum and returned guns and plants.

You dont have suppressors there? That sucks, we have no specific gun/feature ban here but you guys have better concealed carry laws

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:17 No.10476419

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:17 No.10476419

Replies: >>10476555

>>10476213
>supressors don't even do much
Stop speaking on things you know nothing about. When compared to hollywood's version, sure. But they're still very effective even without using subsonic ammo.

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM
02/20/13(Wed)23:23 No.10476555

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM 02/20/13(Wed)23:23 No.10476555

>>10476419
Well, I should have said, I don;t think they would do much for larger calibers. If you can prove me wrong, I'm fine with that, and I learned something. I do know that they do reduce the shockwave, so you won't go deaf. I'm not saying we should have the ban though, just that I can live with it.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:24 No.10476582

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:24 No.10476582

Replies: >>10476681

>>10476371
1) That's an m1a
2) No shit, but that doesn't make it a good home defense gun

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:27 No.10476681

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:27 No.10476681

Replies: >>10476731 >>10476949

>>10476582
>that doesn't make it a good home defense gun
So long as you don't live in a densely populated area, the hell it doesn't.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:29 No.10476731

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:29 No.10476731

Replies: >>10476810

>>10476681

As long as you have some ear protection.

Although, that's probably good advice for anyone using a gun for home protection.

Get some Peltors folks.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:29 No.10476745

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:29 No.10476745

Replies: >>10476787

>>10476373

Pedo

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:31 No.10476787

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:31 No.10476787

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>>10476745

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:31 No.10476810

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:31 No.10476810

Replies: >>10476867

>>10476731
>Peltors
A little pricy, I've always been fond of my Howard Leights.
But yes, e-muffs are amazing.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:33 No.10476851

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:33 No.10476851

>>10470191 (OP)
gun control advocates are usually hypocrites, if they cared about preventing unnecessary death/murder they would ban alcohol/cigarettes, both of which kill more people than guns a year (deaths from second hand smoke and drunk driving)

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:33 No.10476867

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:33 No.10476867

>>10476810

I speak only generally. I should have said active hearing protection, or something.

Of course, there are tons of brands out there.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:35 No.10476949

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:35 No.10476949

Replies: >>10476965 >>10477015 >>10477032 >>10477036

>>10476681
>lets give a large, heavy rifle chambered in a relatively round designed for engagements of 300+m to a person of light build in a home defense scenario of <10m when there are more controllable and equally effective rifles or shotguns that have a wider variety of self defense loads
>makes perfect sense

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:36 No.10476965

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:36 No.10476965

>>10476949
>relatively high powered

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM
02/20/13(Wed)23:37 No.10477015

Ivan Komarov, Protector of the Soviet Union !!9rYNYEqmxJM 02/20/13(Wed)23:37 No.10477015

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>>10476949

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:38 No.10477032

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:38 No.10477032

Replies: >>10477088

>>10476949
If you're too frail to handle an already toned down rifle you should stick to handguns.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:38 No.10477036

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:38 No.10477036

Replies: >>10477106

>>10476949

Better than a shotgun, Biden.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:40 No.10477088

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:40 No.10477088

Replies: >>10477131 >>10477137 >>10477165

>>10477032
I'm arguing against it being a good home defense rifle for a woman you moron

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:40 No.10477106

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:40 No.10477106

Replies: >>10477230

>>10477036
no

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:41 No.10477131

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:41 No.10477131

>>10477088
50 cal sniper rifle is ideal for home defense, especially for women

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:41 No.10477137

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:41 No.10477137

Replies: >>10477263 >>10477266

>>10477088
If they're too frail to handle an already toned down rifle they should stick to handguns.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:42 No.10477165

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:42 No.10477165

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>>10477088

Depends on the woman.

Or the man, for that matter.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:44 No.10477230

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:44 No.10477230

>>10477106

Yes.

A .308 has about a 1/3rd less recoil than a 12 gauge, depending on load etc...

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:45 No.10477263

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:45 No.10477263

Replies: >>10477321

>>10477137
>they should stick to handguns
Long guns are better than handguns in almost every way.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:45 No.10477266

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:45 No.10477266

Replies: >>10477321

>>10477137

That's idiotic. Rifle > handgun, period.

You use your handgun to fight your way to your rifle.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:47 No.10477321

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:47 No.10477321

Replies: >>10477353 >>10477354

>>10477263
>>10477266
>WAAH I CAN'T HANDLE A RIFLE
>LOL RIFLES ARE BETTER GOTTA USE ONE
Are you just purposefully ignoring the things I'm saying or what.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:47 No.10477353

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:47 No.10477353

>>10477321
I would recommend a .223 for home defense before a .308 and both before a handgun

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:48 No.10477354

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:48 No.10477354

Replies: >>10477408

>>10477321

What are you on about?

Rifles are far easier to handle without a lot of training. Especially compared to a handgun.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:49 No.10477408

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:49 No.10477408

Replies: >>10477470 >>10477493

>>10477354
That's what I was saying, dingus. But apparently an 11lb rifle is just far too much for a poor, weak, defenseless woman to handle.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:51 No.10477470

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:51 No.10477470

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>>10477408

Jesus, dude. Leave the illiterate insanity to the gun grabbers.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:51 No.10477493

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:51 No.10477493

Replies: >>10477571 >>10477629

>>10477408
An m1a is a poor choice compared to alternative rifles such as an AR

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:54 No.10477571

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:54 No.10477571

Replies: >>10477697

>>10477493

I disagree. It depends on the situation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Drega

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:55 No.10477629

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:55 No.10477629

Replies: >>10477924

>>10477493
Again, so long as you're not having to worry about overpenetration (which the .223/5.56 is ideal for since it fragments on drywall) the difference is genuinely fuckall. It kicks a tiny bit more and it does considerably more damage, both will put people down, both are fine choices.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:57 No.10477697

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:57 No.10477697

Replies: >>10477848

>>10477571
For home defense! This is the point of the conversations goddamn you people.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:01 No.10477848

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:01 No.10477848

>>10477697

If you can handle the recoil, .30 cal wins.

If not, nothing wrong with .223.

Hell, I'm fine with .22 if you're competent with it.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:03 No.10477924

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:03 No.10477924

Replies: >>10478002 >>10478086

>>10477629
Look if you have a rifle you like and feel comfortable with it then that is probably the best choice for you in an emergency.

If you were to recommend a firearm for a new buyer (especially a woman) for home defense very few people would recommend a semi-auto chambered in .308.

They are larger and as a result more difficult to control for people with low upper body strength (women). In a self defense situation you may fail to stop the aggressor (miss) so the faster you can realign your sights and fire again the better.

Most people in those situations don't have experience and are acting under increased adrenaline and other symptom of high stress. Limiting your survivability because "hurr durr im manly for having a big gun" is moronic.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:05 No.10478002

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:05 No.10478002

>>10477924
>Limiting your survivability because "hurr durr im manly for having a big gun" is moronic
It was fun while it lasted.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:06 No.10478052

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:06 No.10478052

Replies: >>10478161

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Lot of confusing chatter on this post. Lot of BS and clever jews think they are fooling someone.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:07 No.10478086

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:07 No.10478086

Replies: >>10478138

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>>10477924

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:08 No.10478138

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:08 No.10478138

Replies: >>10478199

>>10478086
An AK would be a better choice than a fucking m1a for a woman. Thank you for sharing

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:09 No.10478161

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:09 No.10478161

Replies: >>10478186

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>>10478052

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:10 No.10478186

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:10 No.10478186

>>10478161
>dat high capacity assault clip

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:11 No.10478199

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:11 No.10478199

Replies: >>10478252

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>>10478138

Depends entirely on the woman.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:12 No.10478252

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:12 No.10478252

Replies: >>10478363 >>10478422

>>10478199
Well considering women are on average weaker than men, not many

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:15 No.10478363

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:15 No.10478363

Replies: >>10478462

>>10478252

It's a .308 dude, not a fucking 4 bore.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:17 No.10478422

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:17 No.10478422

Replies: >>10478521 >>10478588 >>10478753

>>10478252
It's less about strength and more about form. Any woman or smaller man for that matter who handles a weapon as it should be handled is more than capable of being competent with it.
http://youtu.be/pJ1LcopZHKg?t=8m29s

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:19 No.10478462

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:19 No.10478462

>>10478363
for
home
defense

I'm not saying women can't use a 308. I'm saying that a rifle chambered in a smaller round (such as 223) would make a better home defense firearm for a woman

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:20 No.10478521

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:20 No.10478521

Replies: >>10478577

>>10478422
>using a light, more compact long gun
Thank you for proving my point

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:22 No.10478577

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:22 No.10478577

Replies: >>10478681

>>10478521
>saiga 12
>light, more compact long gun
Holy shit are you retarded.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:22 No.10478588

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:22 No.10478588

>>10478422

I'd give her dog a bone, if you know what I mean.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:25 No.10478681

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:25 No.10478681

Replies: >>10478793

>>10478577
>saiga ~8 lb
>m1 ~10-11lb

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:27 No.10478753

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:27 No.10478753

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>>10478422

>I'm engaging a 16" steel taget at 780 yards

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:28 No.10478793

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:28 No.10478793

Replies: >>10478962

>>10478681
>saiga ~8 lb
That's unloaded you colossal fucking failure.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:33 No.10478962

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:33 No.10478962

Replies: >>10479010

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>>10478793
>Since I can't go back on my statement without looking more of an idiot I'm going to continue this shit flinging contest.

You are a faggot. Still doesn't make an m1 or m1a a good home defense gun.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:35 No.10479010

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:35 No.10479010

Replies: >>10479080

>>10478962
>wrong
>get called out on it and proven wrong
>SHIT BETTER BACKTRACK TO AN ARGUMENT THAT AMOUNTS TO LITTLE MORE THAN OPINION AND HAS BEEN PROVEN FALSE
Go to bed, kid. You're just embarrassing yourself now.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:37 No.10479080

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:37 No.10479080

Replies: >>10479135

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>>10479010
>OPINION AND HAS BEEN PROVEN FALSE
You can't disprove an opinion

>kid
Is that really the best you can do?

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:39 No.10479135

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:39 No.10479135

Replies: >>10479260

>>10479080
Argument, kid. Your argument you're so desperately falling back on (based on opinion) has been proven wrong and torn to shreds.
Your reading comprehension must be a result of public schooling, give your parents my condolences.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:42 No.10479260

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:42 No.10479260

Replies: >>10479278

>>10479135
Let me go back and restate my claim. M1s and M1As are not a good first choice for women in self defense situations.

Showing a clip of a women using a shotgun at a range doesn't make it a better choice than an AR for the average woman. You simply took my misinformation about the weight of the saiga loaded to apparently "disprove" my argument that those rifles the best choice for home defense.

I never said they were terrible choices, I said there were better ones.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:43 No.10479278

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:43 No.10479278

>>10479260
> those rifles arent* the best choice

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:44 No.10479304

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:44 No.10479304

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa98FHuaU0
>being anti gun
you're doing it wrong

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:45 No.10479342

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:45 No.10479342

>>10470191 (OP)
>prevented easily

adam laza was denied guns, and then stole them from his mother

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:48 No.10479425

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:48 No.10479425

Replies: >>10479563

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>>10470191 (OP)

commencing dump

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:52 No.10479563

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:52 No.10479563

Replies: >>10479713 >>10479751

>>10479425
Its because most people die from their gunshot wounds

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:57 No.10479713

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:57 No.10479713

Replies: >>10479736 >>10479779

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>>10479563

not really

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:58 No.10479736

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:58 No.10479736

Replies: >>10479751

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>>10479713

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:58 No.10479751

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:58 No.10479751

Replies: >>10479770

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>>10479736
>>10479563

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:59 No.10479770

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:59 No.10479770

Replies: >>10479838

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>>10479751

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:59 No.10479779

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:59 No.10479779

>>10479713
Gunshots kill 99% of victims before they can reach the hospital
Source : my ass

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)01:01 No.10479838

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)01:01 No.10479838

Replies: >>10479870

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>>10479770

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)01:02 No.10479870

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)01:02 No.10479870

Replies: >>10479889

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>>10479838

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)01:03 No.10479889

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)01:03 No.10479889

Replies: >>10479920

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>>10479870

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)01:03 No.10479891

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)01:03 No.10479891

Replies: >>10480005

It's pretty obvious that police and gun free zones have not worked. Only a complete imbecile would think more gun free zones would help or that police can prevent them from happening yet there is no evidence to prove such statements. Doing more of the same and expecting different results, yes they do indeed have mental disorders.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)01:04 No.10479920

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)01:04 No.10479920

Replies: >>10479937

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>>10479889

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)01:05 No.10479937

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)01:05 No.10479937

Replies: >>10479954

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>>10479920

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)01:05 No.10479954

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)01:05 No.10479954

Replies: >>10479983

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>>10479937

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)01:06 No.10479983

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)01:06 No.10479983

Replies: >>10480001

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>>10479954

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)01:07 No.10480001

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)01:07 No.10480001

Replies: >>10480023

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>>10479983

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)01:07 No.10480005

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)01:07 No.10480005

>>10479891
You are JIDF, fuck off kike.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)01:08 No.10480023

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)01:08 No.10480023

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>>10480001