Holy Servant of Allah - Jibreel !!9B28lZZD0nQ
01/28/13(Mon)09:56 No.9658068

Holy Servant of Allah - Jibreel !!9B28lZZD0nQ 01/28/13(Mon)09:56 No.9658068

Replies: >>9658161

It would help if you would explain what you were applying to and what kind of program. I've never been interviewed personally for a university application.

Did you apply to MIT or Caltech or something?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)09:56 No.9658075

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)09:56 No.9658075

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Daily reminder. The liberals have won the culture war.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)09:56 No.9658081

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)09:56 No.9658081

Replies: >>9658161

OP confirmed for Holocaust denier trying to redpill professors.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)09:58 No.9658130

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)09:58 No.9658130

>not towing the line, becoming the most exceptional student in a women's studies course and then cussing them out with a bullhorn on the last day.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:00 No.9658161

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:00 No.9658161

Replies: >>9658246 >>9658286 >>9658341 >>9658790 >>9659759 >>9659829 >>9663322

OP here
>>9658068
It was an arts degree at a British uni.

>>9658081
Not even that. One of my interviews was to do with foreign interventionism (I said it always resulted in unforeseeable negative consequences), another was around Marxism and the third was about the philosophy of freedom.
I actually made every concentrated effort to stay away from anything /pol/ish.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:05 No.9658246

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:05 No.9658246

Replies: >>9658352

>>9658161
>university interview for an arts degree
Wat

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:07 No.9658286

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:07 No.9658286

Replies: >>9658316 >>9658329 >>9658352 >>9658364 >>9658615 >>9659986 >>9660000

>>9658161
WTF does Marxism and foreign intervention have to do with going to art school???

Are they still afraid they might accept the next Hitler or something?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:09 No.9658316

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:09 No.9658316

>>9658286
>Are they still afraid they might accept the next Hitler or something?

Fucking lol'd

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:10 No.9658329

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:10 No.9658329

>>9658286

Hahaha holy shit

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:11 No.9658341

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:11 No.9658341

Replies: >>9658404 >>9660237 >>9660265

>>9658161
>It was an arts degree at a British uni.

The only British universities to interview are Oxford and Cambridge.

In that case, you were admitted to the university but have not yet been admitted to a specific college (Balliol Old Boy here, btw). It's very important, given the nature of the college system at Oxbridge, that you should be with your own kind of people, hence conservatives go to Balliol, faggots go to Corpus, the unaligned go to Queen's, complete failures go to St Edmund's Hall. And if you're at Cambridge and you're a fat old woman, you go to Lucy Cavendish.

Explain which colleges you were attempting to ener and explain exactly what happened. It is entirely possible, you know, that you were factually wrong and unwilling to acknowledge it.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:11 No.9658352

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:11 No.9658352

Replies: >>9658448 >>9663899

>>9658286
>>9658246
Arts is the British name for Humanities.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:12 No.9658364

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:12 No.9658364

Replies: >>9659194

>>9658286
hah

mein nigger

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:13 No.9658371

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:13 No.9658371

Replies: >>9658405 >>9658431 >>9660141

>>9658039 (OP)
>Did I just get denied a university place for disagreeing with liberal professors?
They expect disagreement, but they also expect open-mindedness to opposing perspectives, ie. you demonstrated a lack of ability to entertain the notion you might be wrong.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:14 No.9658404

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:14 No.9658404

Replies: >>9658473 >>9658484 >>9659864 >>9660265

>>9658341
I applied to Balliol for PPE, interviews were with Swift and Vines. My third interview was with the faculty at Exeter.
I literally don't know where I went wrong, hence asking them for feedback, which clarifies nothing.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:14 No.9658405

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:14 No.9658405

>>9658371
This.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:16 No.9658431

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:16 No.9658431

Replies: >>9658490 >>9660897 >>9663967

>>9658371
>you demonstrated a lack of ability to entertain the notion you might be wrong.

I began every opposing statement with "it could be the case that" or "I would argue that" specifically to avoid this. I was a Marxist-Leninist who became a libertarian. I'm well aware of the possibility of being wrong,

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:17 No.9658448

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:17 No.9658448

Replies: >>9658476

>>9658352
As in OH THE HUMANITY!!! ?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:18 No.9658473

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:18 No.9658473

Replies: >>9658585 >>9658667

>>9658404
>I applied to Balliol for PPE, interviews were with Swift and Vines.

I don't know them. It's possible I know them by sight from the SCR and just can't match their names to their faces. I read classics (Lit Hum) so, predictably, it's the classics people that I know most about.

>My third interview was with the faculty at Exeter.

I am very chummy with one of the chairs at Exeter, Elizabeth Jeffreys who was one of my DPhil supervisors. I'd always heard good things about the place. It's sad if they didn't give you a fair shot.

>I literally don't know where I went wrong, hence asking them for feedback, which clarifies nothing.

Maybe you smelled bad. Did you remember to wash that day? And I mean all over.

/pol/an !!m5MmspkoSC1
01/28/13(Mon)10:18 No.9658476

/pol/an !!m5MmspkoSC1 01/28/13(Mon)10:18 No.9658476

>>9658448
yes that's the one

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:19 No.9658484

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:19 No.9658484

Replies: >>9658550 >>9658578 >>9658585

>>9658404
>PPE

What's that? Some kind of dumb liberal arts degree that trains you for a job at McDonalds?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:19 No.9658490

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:19 No.9658490

Replies: >>9658541 >>9658585 >>9658861

>>9658431
>>9658431
>began every opposing statement with "it could be the case that" or "I would argue that" specifically to avoid this.
That isn't avoiding the concept. That's just couching disagreement in veiled terms. They expect you to give unaligned arguments validity or at least equal contemplation as required by intellectual honesty. I wouldn't be surprised if the interviewing professors were arguing positions they do not agree with just to see if you could do the same but failed to.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:20 No.9658515

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:20 No.9658515

>They noted a tendency on your part to remain too rigidly attached to particular positions, continuing to defend arguments even when it became apparent that they were untenable.

What the fuck kind of subjective half ass standard is that? If they're going to have interviews they should have objective standards for them (ie. knowledge of variety of topics, ability to defend positions using reason etc.)

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:21 No.9658541

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:21 No.9658541

Replies: >>9658613 >>9658636

>>9658490
>I wouldn't be surprised if the interviewing professors were arguing positions they do not agree with just to see if you could do the same but failed to.

In my Roman History Honours course, we were actually required to speak to our tutors in person about our opinions on a certain aspect of the Late Republic. Afterwards we were ordered to argue exactly the opposite point of view as an intellectual exercise.

Oxford, in particular, is very big about the idea that you should have the capacity to argue any perspective (i.e. you should be able to understand the other person's point of view and his reasons and sources) regardless of whether you support the premise or not.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:22 No.9658550

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:22 No.9658550

Replies: >>9658607

>>9658484
Politics, Philosophy and Economics, you fucking peasant.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:23 No.9658578

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:23 No.9658578

>>9658484

looked it up on Wikipedia - Philosophy, Politics Economics - apparently it's a British thing

>Philosophy, Politics and Economics (PPE) is a popular interdisciplinary undergraduate/graduate degree which combines study from the three disciplines. The first institution to offer degrees in PPE was the University of Oxford and this particular course has produced a significant number of notable graduates such as David Cameron, the current Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, and Ed Miliband, the current Leader of the Opposition. In the 1980s, the University of Warwick and the University of York went on to establish their own widely respected PPE degrees based upon the Oxford model. According to the BBC, it "dominate[s] public life" (in the UK)

well that explains half of the faggotry in England right there

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:23 No.9658585

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:23 No.9658585

Replies: >>9658988

>>9658473
>I don't know them. It's possible I know them by sight from the SCR and just can't match their names to their faces. I read classics (Lit Hum) so, predictably, it's the classics people that I know most about.

Swift is a professor who specialises in social justice, Vines teaches macroeconomics. Given that, yeah, it's unlikely you'd have been taught by them.

>I'd always heard good things about the place. It's sad if they didn't give you a fair shot.

I was pretty nervous considering about a third of us had interviews at other Colleges whereas the rest were able to go home. I think I did pretty well in all three, hence asking for feedback.

>Maybe you smelled bad. Did you remember to wash that day? And I mean all over.

I think you may have solved my mystery.

>>9658484
0/10 not even trying

>>9658490
>That's just couching disagreement in veiled terms.
Yes, but presenting them in a 'this is an argument' format, rather than 'this is all that matters'.

>They expect you to give unaligned arguments validity or at least equal contemplation as required by intellectual honesty.

And I explaied why I disagreed with the various arguments they asked me to refute and I also gave evidence to back up my opinions.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:25 No.9658607

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:25 No.9658607

>>9658550
aka shite

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:25 No.9658613

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:25 No.9658613

Replies: >>9658697

>>9658541
>Oxford, in particular, is very big about the idea that you should have the capacity to argue any perspective (i.e. you should be able to understand the other person's point of view and his reasons and sources) regardless of whether you support the premise or not.

Yeah, exactly, and that's one of the reasons I applied. Like I said, I've held a variety of different political positions and I like to think that I understand quite a few different ideologies.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:25 No.9658615

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:25 No.9658615

Replies: >>9658682

>>9658286
Except Hitler was rejected. Who knows? If he had been accepted he might have spent his life painting watercolors of the country farms in his beloved Germany.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:26 No.9658636

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:26 No.9658636

>>9658541
That would be fun for /pol/ to try.

Imagine forcing the JIDF and MIDF to switch sides for a day.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:27 No.9658667

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:27 No.9658667

Replies: >>9658693 >>9658716

>>9658473
>Did you remember to wash that day? And I mean all over.

What, do they really check to see if you wash behind your ears in Brit colleges?
Or do they have Penis Inspection Day too?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:28 No.9658682

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:28 No.9658682

Replies: >>9659596

>>9658615
The Weimar Republic was a great time for artists. "I don't like to brag, but I just sold a painting for two trillion marks."

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:28 No.9658693

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:28 No.9658693

>>9658667
>Not having Penis Inspection Day
>wonders why Europeans laugh at them

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:28 No.9658697

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:28 No.9658697

Replies: >>9658748

>>9658613
Don't despair. There are many excellent places for PPE. You could try Edinburgh. Glasgow is apparently outstanding for the PPE degree (although it's done over 4 years as an MA (Hons.)). There's also Warwick.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:29 No.9658716

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:29 No.9658716

Replies: >>9658755

>>9658667
>What, do they really check to see if you wash behind your ears in Brit colleges?

Yup.

>Or do they have Penis Inspection Day too?

Obviously. Do you seriously mean that you went to a university that didn't have PID? Jesus. What kind of podunk cow college did you attend?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:31 No.9658748

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:31 No.9658748

Replies: >>9660500

>>9658697
I'm quite limited in my choices, given that I don't have an A* Maths GCSE. The only places I was eligible to apply for PPE were Oxford, York and Warwick. I applied to some other courses at other unis but in all likelihood, I'll take this feedback, go into cocoon mode with my books and reapply next year.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:31 No.9658755

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:31 No.9658755

Replies: >>9659870

>>9658716
>Obviously. Do you seriously mean that you went to a university that didn't have PID? Jesus. What kind of podunk cow college did you attend?

No, here in my state PID is only in high school. In college you're expected to play with yourself.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:33 No.9658790

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:33 No.9658790

>>9658161
>I said it always resulted in unforeseeable negative consequences

You forgot to mention that, conversely, it always results in positive consequences.

You were banned for rigid, inside the box, dumbfuckery.

Too bad, OP.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:34 No.9658810

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:34 No.9658810

Replies: >>9658899

>>9658039 (OP)
Well what do you think you said that got you denied?
"We should keep the second amendment." Isn't a liberal position, but it not stupid.
"Jesus rode dinosaurs and it disproves global warming." is also not liberal, but makes you sound like a moron who would make the school look bad. So what'd you say?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:37 No.9658861

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:37 No.9658861

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>>9658490

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:40 No.9658899

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:40 No.9658899

Replies: >>9658932 >>9659096

>>9658810
I legitimately do not know. I'm hardly an extremist, it's not like I rocked up with a Gadsden flag draped around me yelling HURR SMASH THE STATE FREE ENTERPRISE FUCKYEEEAAA

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:40 No.9658900

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:40 No.9658900

You beat them in an argument and they didn't like it. Happens a lot, but usually, you only get bad grades. Some of you guys have the weird delusion that school/college is there to help and teach you.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:42 No.9658932

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:42 No.9658932

Replies: >>9659088

>>9658899
I'm giggling at the mental image of a Brit wearing a Gadsen flag to Oxford.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:45 No.9658988

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:45 No.9658988

Replies: >>9659088

>>9658585
>Yes, but presenting them in a 'this is an argument' format
Still does not show that you accept other perspectives as equally valid as your own. You're just rephrasing your approach. You're continual refusal to contemplate the concept provided just proves that the interviewers were correct. You are too married to your own righteousness to exercise intellectual honesty which will cripple your critical thinking.

>I explaied why I disagreed with the various arguments they asked me to refute
All you are doing is supporting your conclusions, not questioning them which is what they were looking for. Part of the advanced learning process (different from "public" schooling) is the unlearning of conclusions based upon assumption. Being able to deconstruct the conclusion, look at it from multiple perspectives, re-evaluate the evidence in different interpretations and weighing the soundness of each, etc. are necessary tools.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:45 No.9658994

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:45 No.9658994

So what exactly did you argue

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:52 No.9659088

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:52 No.9659088

Replies: >>9659113 >>9659294

>>9658988
>Still does not show that you accept other perspectives as equally valid as your own.

I don't understand what you're getting at. Everyone interested in politics, economics, philosophy, sociology, etc, will have experience of different points of view, and understanding of what causes people to hold these points of view, but will ultimately believe one argument to hold more weight than the other. This is true if you're a university applicant, a university professor or an average /pol/estinian. The fact that I believe something to be correct doesn't shut me off from wanting to learn about other views in an effort to either strengthen what I do believe in or change my views according to the evidence.

>You are too married to your own righteousness to exercise intellectual honesty which will cripple your critical thinking.

See above.

>All you are doing is supporting your conclusions, not questioning them which is what they were looking for.

I was asked several times to justify my conclusions, had my conclusions picked apart, defended them where applicable, and admitted a lack of understanding when I realised that my conclusions actually weren't solid. You weren't at the interview. Stop playing armchair psychologist.

>Being able to deconstruct the conclusion, look at it from multiple perspectives, re-evaluate the evidence in different interpretations and weighing the soundness of each, etc. are necessary tools.

Yes, absolutely, but this approach is not necessarily at odds with the idea of believing some ideas hold more weight than others.

>>9658932
One of my mates is studying PPE at the University of York and there's plenty of photos of him and his buddies roaming the streets waving a Gadsden flag. I don't know if that's hilarious or cringey.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:53 No.9659096

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:53 No.9659096

Replies: >>9659170

>>9658899
If you can't tell what it is, they're probably just attempting and failing to be polite or something and they rejected you for unstated reasons, such as racial quotas, or just disliking you cause they're jerks and needing to find a reason to put in writing.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:53 No.9659113

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:53 No.9659113

Replies: >>9659170

>>9659088
>One of my mates is studying PPE at the University of York and there's plenty of photos of him and his buddies roaming the streets waving a Gadsden flag. I don't know if that's hilarious or cringey.

post or link plz

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:58 No.9659170

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:58 No.9659170

Replies: >>9659741 >>9660871 >>9661066

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>>9659113
Pic.

>>9659096
In a way I'd like that to be the real reason but on the other hand I don't want to be some bitter kid who blames his failures on teh evul libruls.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)10:59 No.9659194

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)10:59 No.9659194

>>9658364
NEIN

Es ist "Mein Neger!"

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:00 No.9659206

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:00 No.9659206

>>9658039 (OP)
>Did I just get denied a university place for disagreeing with liberal professors?

lol, idiot don't you realize this is the soviet union? You have had like 12 years of school to take the hint. You should have lied like the rest of us.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:01 No.9659229

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:01 No.9659229

Replies: >>9659268

Somewhat related-
I'm at one of the "little ivies" (top 25 liberal arts colleges in USA) and had to compose a compare & contrast paper for my English class. I chose the free market vs socialism. I went into subjects such as entry to business, corporatism, and taxes. I took the free market side of things with most but presented the pros/cons of each side so it was more objective than anything really. Anyway, I talked about the fair share fallacy and determining who really benefits the most from socialist policy. I pointed out that the top 10% accounts for the majority (nearly 70%) of income taxes paid but they certainly don't account for 70% of the usage of social programs. When I checked my teacher's comments she said that my statistics on taxes were " incorrect and skewed by talking heads" (cited from irs & ntu) and were "therefore damaging to the paper as a whole". The teacher's assistant marked with me an A, our peer to peer reviews left me with an A, but my teacher said fuck all that and gave me a C.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:01 No.9659242

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:01 No.9659242

Replies: >>9659268

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Actually you were rejected because you're too fucking stupid to go to college there. Stop basing your positions on /pol/ images and go learn actual facts.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:03 No.9659268

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:03 No.9659268

>>9659229
Wait, you composed a paper for an ENGLISH class and were failed because of the political implications of that paper? What the fuck man, I thought stories like that were /pol/ copypasta bullshit.

>>9659242
le epic troll faec XD

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:05 No.9659294

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:05 No.9659294

Replies: >>9659405 >>9659424

>>9659088
>will have experience of different points of view, and understanding of what causes people to hold these points of view, but will ultimately believe one argument to hold more weight than the other.
Yes, ice is cold. The point I'm making is going to the next stage. As mentioned previously, the professor expect you to disagree with some of their positions (they wouldn't be paid experts on the subject if everyone had the same information and the same conclusions) but you have to be able to not only defend your own position, which from your posts is all you did, but defend another position that you don't agree with. Demonstrate that you have given differing positions equal contemplation so as to legitimize your own conclusions in a peer-reviewed format.

>The fact that I believe something to be correct doesn't shut me off from wanting to learn about other views
Everyone believes something to be correct. The point is to not only believe it but to demonstrate not only why your own conclusions are superior but also why different conclusions are inferior. It may seems the same but there is a critical distinction.

>admitted a lack of understanding when I realised that my conclusions actually weren't solid.
Did you also admit that a competing conclusion was possibly more sound than your deconstructed conclusion? All professors, at least all good professors, can paint you into a corner in his area of expertise, but how you conduct yourself in that situation is what they were looking for.

>You weren't at the interview.
I never claimed I was. I'm trying to interpret the response you provided in a manner you can hopefully understand.

>but this approach is not necessarily at odds with the idea of believing some ideas hold more weight than others.
Again, I never claimed it was. I pointed out you FAILED to demonstrate an ability to do so and this is one of the things they were looking for. Such binary thinking is another issue.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:11 No.9659405

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:11 No.9659405

Replies: >>9659424 >>9659669 >>9659697 >>9659848 >>9660759

>>9659294
>but you have to be able to not only defend your own position, which from your posts is all you did, but defend another position that you don't agree with. Demonstrate that you have given differing positions equal contemplation so as to legitimize your own conclusions in a peer-reviewed format.

Prof: Why might social contractarians view our prison system as legitimate?
Me: The argument is that, as citizens of this country, we expect the state to take care of us, protect us via the police and give us healthcare via the NHS. The other side of that is that if we accept these benefits, we must also accept that we are expected to fund these through taxation and that, if we break society's rules, we deserve the punishments that have been drawn up by society.

Prof: Why might a socialist say that freedom and inequality are incompatible?
Me: To my understand, the argument would be that unless we are all of equal standing, we are not free. If one person has more material wealth or greater control over the means of production, then the argument made would be that he has greater power over other individuals and therefore causes them to be less free.

Just two off the top of my head. Can provide more if necessary.

>The point is to not only believe it but to demonstrate not only why your own conclusions are superior but also why different conclusions are inferior. It may seems the same but there is a critical distinction.

I was consciously attempting to do this, and if I was unsuccessful, then I'll have to hold up my hands and say I wasn't good enough. But I do understand the distinction between why x is correct and why y is incorrect.

>Did you also admit that a competing conclusion was possibly more sound than your deconstructed conclusion?

I was wary of just eating up their arguments and repeating what they said to me, but I did admit that I felt my conclusion was less sound than I initially thought it was.
(contd)

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:12 No.9659424

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:12 No.9659424

Replies: >>9659497 >>9659525

>>9659294
>>9659405
>I pointed out you FAILED to demonstrate an ability to do so and this is one of the things they were looking for.
Point out where I failed to demonstrate this please.

>Such binary thinking is another issue.
Pointing out that two things do not necessarily cancel each other out is not the same as binary thinking.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:13 No.9659440

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:13 No.9659440

Replies: >>9659655

I feel bad for you op. Go overseas, the marxist bitches will wet their panties over your piers morgan speak. You also get to study americas decline up close.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:16 No.9659497

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:16 No.9659497

Replies: >>9659567

>>9659424
>Point out where I failed to demonstrate this please.

To quote your first post:
> they noted a tendency on your part to remain too rigidly attached to particular positions, continuing to defend arguments even when it became apparent that they were untenable.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:18 No.9659525

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:18 No.9659525

Replies: >>9659567

>>9659424
>Pointing out that two things do not necessarily cancel each other out is not the same as binary thinking
No, but your pointing it out demonstrates you consider them mutually exclusive otherwise bringing up the point is a farce.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:20 No.9659567

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:20 No.9659567

Replies: >>9659730 >>9659762

>>9659525
>Pointing out two things do not cancel each other out is the same as demonstrating I consider them mutually exclusive

I'm sorry, what?

>>9659497
I asked /pol/ if they had any idea what was meant by that, and provided examples of things said in the interviews. You've not reinforced your point at all, you've just taken a quote I was asking for clarification on and used that as your own proof.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:22 No.9659596

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:22 No.9659596

>>9658682
>WWII never took place
>Germany was invested in by Americas as a Marshall Plan-esqe style to avoid the spread of communism
>Adolf Hitler did minor art, then found God again, and became the preacher he'd planned to be as a child.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:25 No.9659655

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:25 No.9659655

Replies: >>9659676 >>9659749 >>9659824

>>9659440
He wants an education. You can't get that at an American college.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:26 No.9659668

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:26 No.9659668

>>9658039 (OP)
Oh look, a fictitious tale. Care to provide any proof?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:26 No.9659669

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:26 No.9659669

Replies: >>9659741 >>9659840

>>9659405
> The other side of that
This is where you failed. You demonstrated a refusal to consider the first part to be valid. You should have stopped or better yet expounded on the first part with things like "While I don't agree, with such an inherently inconsistent argument, there is a certain alluring aspect depending on how you frame it. . ."

>if I was unsuccessful, then I'll have to hold up my hands and say I wasn't good enough.
Good. So you admit it may not be "I just got denied a university place for disagreeing with liberal professors."

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:26 No.9659676

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:26 No.9659676

>>9659655
>Yeah because the most prestigious universities in the world aren't in America

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:27 No.9659697

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:27 No.9659697

>>9659405
>I was wary of just eating up their arguments and repeating what they said to me
Smart, but not necessary the right thing to do. Some professors teach mainly because they are enamored with their own conclusions. This applies both to liberal professors and the few conservative professors in academia as well.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:29 No.9659730

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:29 No.9659730

Replies: >>9659785

>>9659567
>You've not reinforced your point at all
You asked for an interpretation of the facts you provided and you refuse to validate the interpretation without going outside the facts you provided?

How badly do you suffer from a sense of self-entitlement?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:30 No.9659741

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:30 No.9659741

Replies: >>9659896 >>9659916

>>9659669
>You demonstrated a refusal to consider the first part to be valid.
How? I was explaining arguments in favour of a state in as objective a manner as I could.
>Expect good things from state
>Therefore have a duty to the state
How is that injecting my own personal beliefs?

>Good. So you admit it may not be "I just got denied a university place for disagreeing with liberal professors."

See
>>9659170
>I don't want to be some bitter kid who blames his failures on teh evul libruls.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:30 No.9659749

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:30 No.9659749

>>9659655
Depends what he wants to do with his life. He should go to west point and write on his sparetime.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:31 No.9659759

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:31 No.9659759

Replies: >>9660368

>>9658161
>Arts degree

LOL

Are you so British that you would pay tens of thousands of pounds to be spoon-fed bullshit over four years, just to belong to the "upper class?"

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:31 No.9659762

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:31 No.9659762

Replies: >>9659818

>>9659567
>I'm sorry, what?
What other purpose would you post that two things do not cancel each other out if you did not presume that there are only those two things to consider, or in other words, what would be the point of bringing up one explanation of the situation if there are more than two?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:32 No.9659785

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:32 No.9659785

Replies: >>9659820 >>9659984

>>9659730
I asked you to point out where I failed and gave you examples.
You quoted by OP and didn't make any attempt to point out where you believed I failed.

>sure is windy up on my pedestal

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:34 No.9659818

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:34 No.9659818

Replies: >>9659948

>>9659762
The argument was whether I could look at other arguments and understand them. You seemed to suggest that I was incapable of doing this due to already having pre-established beliefs.
I pointed out that I didn't think having pre-established beliefs made someone incapable of evaluating other political views.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:34 No.9659820

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:34 No.9659820

Replies: >>9659911

>>9659785
>I asked you to point out where I failed and gave you examples.
And I have tried to do so, but then it seems you reject them based upon "no reinforced your point at all." I've used your own facts to demonstrate an interpretation you ask for, but then refuse to consider it valid because, I assume, I don't use any facts other than those you provided.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:34 No.9659824

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:34 No.9659824

Replies: >>9659915

>>9659655
What the fuck do you think that they teach you in university that you can't learn by yourself.

The only reason anyone should go to university is for an engineering or a medical degree. Even sciences are so pitiful nowadays that you're lucky if you get meaningful laboratory education and not just classes featuring "group discussion." Everything else is a fucking waste of time.

Allons-y !6uHhjvnJSA
01/28/13(Mon)11:34 No.9659829

Allons-y !6uHhjvnJSA 01/28/13(Mon)11:34 No.9659829

Replies: >>9659911

>>9658161
>One of my interviews was to do with foreign interventionism (I said it always resulted in unforeseeable negative consequences)


Absolutism has no place at Oxbridge OP, enjoy Leeds or whatever school you get into

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:35 No.9659840

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:35 No.9659840

Replies: >>9660151

>>9659669
Wrong He should have said: Capitalism, socialism, freedom and slavery are all just tools to use in service of our great masters. There is no god or evil, nor better or worse, but the will of our hebrew.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:36 No.9659848

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:36 No.9659848

>>9659405

Are you cherry picking these examples? I demand that you recreate post the entire exchange verbatim, you silly little nannystater.

Allons-y !6uHhjvnJSA
01/28/13(Mon)11:36 No.9659864

Allons-y !6uHhjvnJSA 01/28/13(Mon)11:36 No.9659864

>>9658404
> applies for PPE

> tries to avoid /pol/ish topics during interview

Gee, I wonder what went wrong

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:37 No.9659869

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:37 No.9659869

Replies: >>9660379

>>9658039 (OP)
>disagreeing with liberal professors?

Yes.

And durr hurr.

College is not there to agree with you, faggot, it is there to broaden your understanding of reality.

Either suck it up and go learn shit, or go get a job as a janitor.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:37 No.9659870

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:37 No.9659870

>>9658755
And in my country, PID doesn't exist.
Feels good.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:38 No.9659896

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:38 No.9659896

Replies: >>9659953 >>9659984

>>9659741
>How?
By summarily discarding it with immediate arguments against them. I expect the professors then returned to points and demonstrated how your conclusion of "the argument" is untenable based upon your summary dismissal.

Also, I wanted to expound that the first response does not demonstrate the failing they noted, ie. your marriage to your conclusions even when shown to be untenable, as it takes a few more questions to demonstrate how a position is untenable. In law school this is usually framed in hypotheticals.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:38 No.9659902

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:38 No.9659902

Replies: >>9660018

OP, you forgot the point of the interview.

It was not to persuade them that you were right, nor even to demonstrate your intelligence. It was to make them like you and let you into their club.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:39 No.9659911

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:39 No.9659911

Replies: >>9659963

>>9659820
If you had quoted my examples and said "here OP, this is where you dun fucked up good!" then I'll happily hold up my hands and accept that. It's the fact that all you've done is quote my OP that bothers me.

>>9659829
>Say it always results in negative consequences
>Give examples
>Interviewer gives me examples of foreign intervention and asks me to point out the negative consequences
>I do so for each one

Having an actual belief you can back up with evidence is not something Oxbridge are looking for?
Fuck off. 3/10 because you got a response.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:39 No.9659915

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:39 No.9659915

Replies: >>9659976 >>9660129

>>9659824
>What the fuck do you think that they teach you in university that you can't learn by yourself.

Group dynamics
Leadership skills
Networking ability
Bureaucracy management
Seminar style learning
Synthesis of philosophy, art, culture, science, math.

Go read books alone without guidance. Have fun. No idea what constitutes current theory or old...no idea what has been dismissed as shitty theory...no concept of working with other people to create new research that is peer reviewed.

Basically you have not been to college, so you don't know what you are lacking.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:39 No.9659916

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:39 No.9659916

Replies: >>9659973

>>9659741
>How is that injecting my own personal beliefs?
I'm stating that your use of facts isn't the problem but the presentation.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:41 No.9659948

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:41 No.9659948

Replies: >>9659973

>>9659818
>The argument was whether I could look at other arguments and understand them.
Based upon your _conduct_ not upon your knowledge. And this does not deal with the point of your previous conduct demonstrating binary thinking, ie. presumption that there are only two considerations.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:41 No.9659953

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:41 No.9659953

Replies: >>9660178 >>9660195

>>9659896
But the idea that people who break society's rules face society's punishment is part of the social contractarian argument.
He was asking me why these people would support the prison system. Hence I mentioned punishment.

Allons-y !6uHhjvnJSA
01/28/13(Mon)11:42 No.9659963

Allons-y !6uHhjvnJSA 01/28/13(Mon)11:42 No.9659963

Replies: >>9660335

>>9659911
>Having an actual belief you can back up with evidence is not something Oxbridge are looking for?
It's cute that you think you were able to defend your insane Paultard beliefs. Looks like Oxbridge made the right call.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:42 No.9659973

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:42 No.9659973

Replies: >>9660322

>>9659916
How so? The second part was relevant; he was asking me why social contractarians might support the prison system.

>>9659948
Fair enough then, you got me on that one.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:43 No.9659976

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:43 No.9659976

>>9659915
haha

oh wait ur srs

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:43 No.9659984

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:43 No.9659984

Replies: >>9660046

>>9659785
>gave you examples.
You gave me insufficient examples. See >>9659896 and the "first response" bit.

Unsurprisingly you cherry-picked, which is natural as people have a self-serving bias, the initial question and answer when the critical context is the following sections.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:43 No.9659986

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:43 No.9659986

>>9658286
If anything they should be afraid of REJECTING the next Hitler; Hitler never got into art school.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:44 No.9660000

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:44 No.9660000

>>9658286
If anything they ought to be afraid of REJECTING the next Hitler

Learn your history ya dingus.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:46 No.9660018

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:46 No.9660018

>>9659902
>It was to make them like you and let you into their club.

OP had already passed the liberal professor cock-suck-a-thon. He failed in the obsequious sycophantic groveling and pandering stage.

Brittish learnin' is hard, man.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:47 No.9660046

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:47 No.9660046

Replies: >>9660433

>>9659984
In that case, I'm unsure where the failing was. I don't remember clinging to beliefs that they had proven wrong, but in all likelihood I could have just been completely oblivious to it.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:53 No.9660129

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:53 No.9660129

>>9659915
>Go read books alone without guidance. Have fun. No idea what constitutes current theory or old...no idea what has been dismissed as shitty theory...no concept of working with other people to create new research that is peer reviewed.

>leadership skills

Sounds like a buttload of groupthink propagandistic indoctrination is going hand-in-hand with that, chadwick.

Enjoy your "guidance" and don't forget to stay in your lane.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:54 No.9660141

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:54 No.9660141

Replies: >>9660443

>>9658371
>they also expect open-mindedness to opposing perspectives
Except their own....

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:54 No.9660151

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:54 No.9660151

Replies: >>9660270

>>9659840
That likely would have been worse.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:56 No.9660178

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:56 No.9660178

Replies: >>9660209

>>9659953
>punishment.

What about "rehabilitation" and/or "enforcement" of the "contract"?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:56 No.9660179

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:56 No.9660179

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>getting rejected by Oxford
>applying to Oxford at all

HAHAHAHA

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:57 No.9660192

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:57 No.9660192

Replies: >>9660206

>>9658039 (OP)
Listen, maybe you didn't tickle their fancy that day. Don't overanalyze it. Go somewhere else, think outside the box.
Remember you have been denied art school. History has proven artschool rejects can move on to greater things...
Now forget you immature libertardism and embrace national socialism. You are Hitler reborn. London will tremble and burn by your will

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:57 No.9660195

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:57 No.9660195

Replies: >>9660228

>>9659953
I didn't claim otherwise but the presentation of the drawbacks immediately after demonstrates not only why you discard the conclusion but how much validity you gave it.

You seem determined to ignore the nuances of presentation and conduct.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:58 No.9660206

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:58 No.9660206

>>9660192
It's not art school. It's 'Arts', as in humanities.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:58 No.9660209

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:58 No.9660209

Replies: >>9660250 >>9660329 >>9660380

>>9660178
They are all essentially the same thing.
You break the rules and suffer the consequences. Going to prison is a punishment.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:59 No.9660228

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:59 No.9660228

Replies: >>9660475

>>9660195
I disagree.
I was trying to be as concise as possible.
>You expect this, this and this
>In return, this, this and this is expected of you
>Hence social contractarians would support our prison system

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)11:59 No.9660237

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)11:59 No.9660237

Replies: >>9660265 >>9660407

>>9658341
i'm applying to oxford for MJur next year and i'm pretty conservative

should i apply to Ballilol m8?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:00 No.9660250

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:00 No.9660250

Replies: >>9660309

>>9660209

You are demonstrating your inability to draw subtle distinctions. I hope you are not OP.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:01 No.9660265

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:01 No.9660265

Replies: >>9660375 >>9660430

>>9658341
>>9658404
>>9660237
>not part of Magdalen masterrace

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:01 No.9660270

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:01 No.9660270

>>9660151
That would have been soo great. Imagine their faces.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:03 No.9660294

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:03 No.9660294

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Oh dear, it's the Oxonians being pricks again.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:03 No.9660309

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:03 No.9660309

Replies: >>9660434

>>9660250
I am the OP. I wouldn't deliberately ignore the distinctions if I'd been asked that in an interview setting, but honestly, prison is a punishment. It is a penalty for committing crimes. Are you honestly telling me I would be failed for using the word 'punishment' to describe something used to punish somebody.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:04 No.9660322

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:04 No.9660322

Replies: >>9660388

>>9659973
>How so?
If I ask you for your opinion of Obama and you respond with "Well, he's done some good things such as health care reform, but his use of drones, refusal to close Gitmo, and pursuit of the DREAM Act offsets them" demonstrates at best a surface understanding of the issue _and_ more critically, a bias to highlight the negatives and a marginalization of the positives. All the facts are relevant but how they are presented can indicate other aspects. Its why "liberal" and "conservative" news sources provide the same facts but present different biases even if they come to the same conclusion.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:04 No.9660329

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:04 No.9660329

Replies: >>9660388

>>9660209
Criminality is considered a treatable suffering in marxist circles, even mainstream criminology. Remember the blank slate. The person has been wronged, thus commit crime

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:05 No.9660335

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:05 No.9660335

>>9659963

How are you here so often? Do you do ANYTHING all day except for be an insufferable, authoritarian cuntwad?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:06 No.9660368

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:06 No.9660368

>>9659759
this fucking feel

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:06 No.9660375

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:06 No.9660375

>>9660265
MJur fag here

is it pretty conservative? I don't want another year of seeing arabs waving palestine flags or any of that kony bullshit

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:07 No.9660379

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:07 No.9660379

Replies: >>9660439 >>9660462

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>>9659869
>it is there to broaden your understanding of reality.
No, its there to suck up every ounce of cash it can!
>Art History
>Womens Studies
>Bussiness Management
These are some of the most WORTHLESS degrees you will ever possess and they can cost you upwards of 80,000 dollars a piece!

Look at the perverted cost of books; One book I had to buy was used, $215! I go online, SAME BOOK, $35

Professors run their own private monopolies through these books, fleecing their students for every ounce they can.

College costs have inflated by over 1000% compared to other industries! It's going to be the next bubble to burst in the US!

Meanwhile we have retarded pants on head public libraries that are buying digital books that will "EXPIRE" after 5 years!
>These are pdf's that delete themselves....

And by the end of the day college will NARROW your understanding of reality!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2afuTvUzBQ

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:07 No.9660380

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:07 No.9660380

>>9660209

The prison system is primarily an enforcement mechanism for the "social contract." All the other BS (justice, punishment, rehab) is just fluff.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:07 No.9660388

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:07 No.9660388

Replies: >>9660522

>>9660322
But my impression was that the points I mentioned were crucial to explaining why social contractarians may support the prison system.

>>9660329
But any institutionalisation of a criminal, whether its purpose is to reform him or make him suffer, is a punishment for what he has done.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:07 No.9660392

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:07 No.9660392

Replies: >>9660524

WEST POINT
WEST POINT
WEST POINT

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:08 No.9660405

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:08 No.9660405

OP you weren't accepted because oxford has to accept a certain amount of international students before they accept the locals

ie: they need niggers for that diversity

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:08 No.9660407

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:08 No.9660407

Replies: >>9660539

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>>9660237
If you're doing a pg degree, the college isn't important.

As an undergrad, many of your classes are taught within the college and a few are taught at the faculty level. As a postgrad, all your classes will be taught within the faculty. If you're doing a DPhil or other research degree, your college is utterly irrelevant - it's just the place that gives you office space and where you pick up your mail.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:09 No.9660430

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:09 No.9660430

>>9660265
When you niggers learn to that "Magdalen" is not pronounced "maudlin" I'll take you seriously.

Until then, suck my balls.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:09 No.9660433

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:09 No.9660433

Replies: >>9660525

>>9660046
>In that case, I'm unsure where the failing was.
That was determined in the first post, but it is good to see that you are acknowledging your own limited understanding of the situation.

> I don't remember clinging to beliefs that they had proven wrong
You presume them to "have to prove them wrong" before you consider your conclusion to be erroneous. That is one of the problems they highlighted. When presented with to competing conclusions (not just yours and someone else's) they could both be wrong and they could both be "right" but focus on different forms of right (say like fiscally right versus socially right as you demonstrate an ability to appreciate those two considerations). The ability they are looking for is the ability to see more possibilities than just right-and-wrong. One of the worst kinds of tests you'll face in advanced learning is choosing the "most" appropriate answer among multiple "right" answers.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:09 No.9660434

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:09 No.9660434

Replies: >>9660525

>>9660309
You are applying layman's understanding to technical terms. You are identifying multiples things by a common streak, and then disregarding any potential differences between said things beyond the common streak identified.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:10 No.9660439

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:10 No.9660439

>>9660379
And this is why American "college" is a fucking joke.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:10 No.9660443

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:10 No.9660443

>>9660141
>Except their own....
Expecting and accepting are two different things.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:11 No.9660462

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:11 No.9660462

Replies: >>9660516

>>9660379
>>Art History
>>Womens Studies
>>Bussiness Manageme
None of these are offered at actual universities.

You know, like Oxford and Cambridge.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:11 No.9660475

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:11 No.9660475

>>9660228
>I disagree.
How unsurprising that someone who seems determined to ignore nuances of presentation and conduct would disagree about a nuance in presentation.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:12 No.9660500

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:12 No.9660500

>>9658748
You could get into Glasgow or Edinburgh. They admit you to the Faculty of Arts rather than to a specific degree.

For your first two years, you'd take Politics, Philosophy and Economics and then, at the end of Second Year, you'd be accepted in the Honours Degree (which, in your case, would be Joint Honours PPE). That system makes it very easy to chop and change - so you might take a language or history for a while in place of philosophy.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:13 No.9660516

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:13 No.9660516

Replies: >>9660596

>>9660462
History of Art is offered at real universities, but it's an actual subject with some academic rigour, unlike its American counterpart.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:13 No.9660522

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:13 No.9660522

>>9660388
>But my impression was that the points I mentioned were crucial to explaining why
I've tried to explain how factual accuracy and extrapolation is not the only consideration the professors were looking for. Just because you are right does not mean you cannot also be wrong.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:13 No.9660524

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:13 No.9660524

Replies: >>9660679

>>9660392
We're talking about universities, not finishing schools for the mentally retarded.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:13 No.9660525

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:13 No.9660525

>>9660433
>>9660434

I now feel that I understand why I wasn't accepted.
Thanks, /pol/!

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:14 No.9660526

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:14 No.9660526

Replies: >>9660576

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Why do so many Oxford-/Cambridge-fags go on 4chan? OP's thread has four, there's a few that go on /fa/... Pretty cool.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:14 No.9660539

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:14 No.9660539

Replies: >>9660618 >>9660666

>>9660407
yeah it's PG degree m8

i'm finishing my second year law atm and got firsts on all my assignments so i'm feeling pretty confident.

my plans are to apply there next year, and if accepted i'll find a hot/rich jewess. there are loads in oxford to my knowledge

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:15 No.9660545

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:15 No.9660545

Op did nothing wrong, it was never ment to be. Go somwhere else. Oxbridge wanted nigger cock and asian bitches.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:16 No.9660576

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:16 No.9660576

Replies: >>9660598

>>9660526
4chan has traditionally been the place where intellectual people come to act retarded.

It kind of lost its way after the Chanology fuckup but, in the end, you still get a lot of very highly educated people on here.

I speak only for the British posters. I have no idea whether the same thing is true for Americans.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:17 No.9660596

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:17 No.9660596

Replies: >>9660712 >>9660724

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>>9660516
I know of thirty American institutions that trump the Cambridge humanities curricula, easily.

swami !!XtE7jBpt/4L
01/28/13(Mon)12:17 No.9660598

swami !!XtE7jBpt/4L 01/28/13(Mon)12:17 No.9660598

Replies: >>9660631

>>9660576
>4chan has traditionally been the place where intellectual people come to act retarded.

no, 4chan has traditionally been a place for teenage children

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:18 No.9660618

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:18 No.9660618

Replies: >>9660833

>>9660539
Since it's PG, you can go to any college and it will make zero difference to the actual instruction you get.

BUT your college can have a big impact on your social life so you'll want to check it out ahead of time and see which colleges have the kind of people you'd like to hang with. Avoid Corpus Christi at all costs. Avoid St Johns.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:18 No.9660631

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:18 No.9660631

Replies: >>9660670 >>9660693 >>9660740

>>9660598
>no, 4chan has traditionally been a place for teenage children

As I said, I'm speaking about 4chan in the perior prior to Chanology.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:20 No.9660666

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:20 No.9660666

Replies: >>9660833

>>9660539
Another thought, depending on what you want to do, Oxford may not always be the best place for the specific area of law you're interested in.

UCL is meant to be good and Edinburgh has a godlike reputation for taught Masters degrees in law. But, at the same time, they don't necessarily have the same kudos that the Oxford name attracts.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:20 No.9660670

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:20 No.9660670

>>9660631
What is the equivalent nowadays, then?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:20 No.9660679

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:20 No.9660679

Replies: >>9660724

>>9660524
>We're talking about universities, not finishing schools for the mentally retarded.
"How West Point beats the Ivy League"
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0824/colleges-09-education-west-point-america-best-college.html

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:21 No.9660693

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:21 No.9660693

Replies: >>9660738 >>9661329

>>9660631
That was before any sort of political board. I don't even think /lit/ was around back then. I totally disagree with you. There was a reason chanology came out of 4chan, you know; because there's always been a large amount of insolent posters smeared in with "intellectuals".

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:22 No.9660712

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:22 No.9660712

Replies: >>9660814 >>9660912 >>9661015

>>9660596
No, you don't.

I've dealt with Ivy Leaguers, son. I've dealt with people who did PhDs at Harvard and UPenn who had the level of Greek I would expect from a second-year undergraduate.

Sell your bullshit to someone who isn't a lot more intelligent and a lot more experienced than you.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:22 No.9660724

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:22 No.9660724

Replies: >>9660792 >>9660814 >>9661400

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>>9660679
>>9660596
And, right on cue, the Americants show up to shit all over the thread.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:23 No.9660738

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:23 No.9660738

>>9660693
>I totally disagree with you.

Then clearly I am undone.

swami !!XtE7jBpt/4L
01/28/13(Mon)12:23 No.9660740

swami !!XtE7jBpt/4L 01/28/13(Mon)12:23 No.9660740

>>9660631
>>4chan has traditionally -always- been a place for teenage children

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:24 No.9660759

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:24 No.9660759

Replies: >>9660845

>>9659405
I can see some problems they could have had with your answers.
You say an awful lot about 'arguments' but these are merely questions.
A good answer doesn't embed unsupported claims, but should look academic/as textbook as possible.
For example
>Why might social contractarians view our prison system as legitimate?
A good answer starts from a definition and shows why a conclusion is possible.
Social contract is the idea we consented to give up some freedoms to an authority to protect our remaining rights.
Did what you say necessarily follow?
>we expect the state to take care of us
does funding and healthcare directly address the question?
Does it really say anything like "social contract holds individuals have agreed their incarceration is allowed to protect other rights"?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:25 No.9660792

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:25 No.9660792

Replies: >>9660814

>>9660724
What did I say yesterday in the 2010 ice crawling bbc thread? Americans come into the thread, get told and then create 15 threads saying USA USA USA NUMBA 1. On cue.. It'll happen again today. Same old same old.. Never change /pol/

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:27 No.9660814

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:27 No.9660814

Replies: >>9660853

>>9660712
For someone with a lot of experience you're making wide implications. I was mainly talking about Stanford and Reed and others. But, I mean, clearly your anecdotal evidence trumps an Ivy education. Is that what you learned over there, how to be a presumptuous faggot?
And please explain how perfect Greek is more important than good Greek, a knowledge of analytic philosophy, and logics.
>>9660724
>>9660792
This board is historically American, children. If you don't like it, go ahead and make a new chan where you can complain about vapid namebrand universities

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:27 No.9660822

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:27 No.9660822

>It was an arts degree at a British uni.

You just dodged a bullet.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:27 No.9660833

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:27 No.9660833

>>9660618
>social life
where do you think we are.jpg

but yeah i'll avoid those colleges as you say.

>>9660666
i'm applying for the name. I'm well aware that UK has loads of amazing postgrad programmes in law outside Oxbridge (durham comes to mind), but Oxbridge has just got that ring to it you know.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:28 No.9660845

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:28 No.9660845

Replies: >>9660930 >>9660952 >>9661182

>>9660759
I understand where I went wrong. I was a little too confident in my beliefs and there was definitely some arrogance there.
I'm debating whether it's worth reapplying next year and doing a hell of a lot more reading and learning in the meantime, or just going to a different university.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:28 No.9660853

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:28 No.9660853

Replies: >>9660908 >>9661131

>>9660814
Britain invented internet.

Website is based of Japanese theme. Moot is also Jewish and you are butthurt like every American trying to claim some form of identity to make up for your lack of history.

Would you like a tissue to wipe those tears on?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:29 No.9660871

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:29 No.9660871

>>9660831
see
>>9659170
>I don't want to be some bitter kid who blames his failures on teh evul libruls.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:30 No.9660897

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:30 No.9660897

>>9658431
>Marxist-Leninist who became a Libertarian
There's just so much wrong with you that I don't even know where to start. Good on them for turning you down.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:31 No.9660908

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:31 No.9660908

>>9660853
Internet is a multinational invention by CERN, cockroach.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:31 No.9660912

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:31 No.9660912

>>9660712

Oxford and Cambridge are the only two schools in the ENTIRE WORLD that compete with America's top tier schools (HYPS, MIT/Caltech, etc.).

Get butthurt more.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:32 No.9660930

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:32 No.9660930

Replies: >>9661045

>>9660845
i would say reapply.

my friend was in a similar situation as you i.e. he got rejected from oxford after an interview. he got accepted to LSE but everytime he got drunk he was mumbling about how he should have been in oxford.

just take a gap year imo.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:33 No.9660952

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:33 No.9660952

Replies: >>9661045

>>9660845
>doing a hell of a lot more reading and learning in the meantime
The problem isn't with your repository of information but your difficulty in handling disagreement. I used to "suffer idiots poorly" until I took my political philosophy course which really made me rethink my approach to learning.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:33 No.9660958

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:33 No.9660958

Replies: >>9661045

Delicious paultard tears.
Next time shut the fuck up OP, everybody laughs at your retarded opinions, don't try to be edgy.
Faggot.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:35 No.9661015

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:35 No.9661015

>>9660712

Oh nice - A Brit who thinks that the British uni system is actually good. I can play this game too.

I've dealt with people who did their PhDs in maths and science at Oxford and Cambridge who had the level of statistical understanding I'd expect from an undergraduate engineering student at any public university in the USA. Those PhDs by the way were doing their post-docs here in the US, and they had the reputation of being argumentative and unable to produce.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:36 No.9661045

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:36 No.9661045

Replies: >>9661092 >>9661193

>>9660930
As beta as this may sound, that sounds pretty much like me.
I don't know, I still need to hear from other unis, but a gap year looks likely.

>>9660952
I've deliberately gotten quite a few books from schools of thought I disagree with. I'm hoping that if I can study, say, Marxism and Keynesianism and read some of the more influential works, then I'll be able to appreciate the theories more, hence be more open to disagreement

>>9660958
>huehuehue look at me everybody i fokin owned this kid on 4chan huehue

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:37 No.9661066

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:37 No.9661066

>>9659170

Then you don´t belong here, please leave

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:38 No.9661092

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:38 No.9661092

Replies: >>9661143

>>9661045
>I've deliberately gotten quite a few books from schools of thought I disagree with.
For the intent to "gird yourself for battle" or from an intent to seriously consider their interpretation as equally if not more sound than what you learned previously? Have you grasped the necessity of unlearning?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:39 No.9661131

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:39 No.9661131

>>9660853
1/10 made me reply, there were just too many things wrong with that sentence to ignore it. Congratulations you won dumbest comment in the thread award.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:40 No.9661143

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:40 No.9661143

Replies: >>9661185 >>9661188

>>9661092
>For the intent to "gird yourself for battle" or from an intent to seriously consider their interpretation as equally if not more sound than what you learned previously?

The latter.
I want to come at them from a neutral perspective, rather than base the rest of my life on writings I've already read.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:41 No.9661182

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:41 No.9661182

Replies: >>9661249

>>9660845
you probably have a good shot
academic answers aren't a hard skill

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:41 No.9661185

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:41 No.9661185

Replies: >>9661249

>>9661143
Out of interest, what school did you attend, assuming you're OP?

Is it a Grammar? Or is it part of the Eton Group? Or is it something else?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:41 No.9661188

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:41 No.9661188

Replies: >>9661249

>>9661143

Are you really sure you belong here in /pol/?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:42 No.9661193

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:42 No.9661193

Replies: >>9661249

>>9661045

There's more to a discourse than books. Journals often chronicle entire academic debates which provide the foundation for current majority views and their critics. Sometimes these are published in edited collections of essays; getting some of these out from a library would be a good idea.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:42 No.9661209

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:42 No.9661209

Don't mind us op. Redit heard that there was a place on the internet that didn't think the right thoughts. So they're here showing us the wonders of diversity and building your life around your fetishes. It sounds like you dodged a bullet.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:44 No.9661241

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:44 No.9661241

Replies: >>9661388

What I learned from this thread:

>In England winning debates is frowned upon
>You have to say sorry in debates so you don't hurt anyone's feelings
>You aren't allowed to support your argument or deconstruct the opponents
>You have to say you were wrong and start supporting the opponent as to why they're correct

And you wonder why no one else respects your faggotry filled country full of mudslimes and niggers. You are taught to debate like women argue. Grow a fucking pair.

>the city of 'great' Britain

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:44 No.9661249

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:44 No.9661249

Replies: >>9661388 >>9661779

>>9661182
Thanks for the vote of confidence.

>>9661185
A state school in the North.
I know, right?

>>9661188
Where else?

>>9661193
I've done myself a little reading list, but admittedly it's mostly books and pamphlets. I do have a membership to a pretty decent library, is there anything specific you'd recommend me checking out?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:47 No.9661329

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:47 No.9661329

>>9660693
>"intellectuals"

I'm assuming those quotes are meant to convey disparagement.

Spot on, limey.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:48 No.9661366

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:48 No.9661366

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>not kissing the ass of professors
>not knowing that this shit is corrupt and the only way to get to the top is to suck dick

it's like you don't want to get into college

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:49 No.9661388

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:49 No.9661388

Replies: >>9661483

>>9661241
Exhibit 1: American level Reading Comprehension.

>>9661249
>A state school in the North
To be honest, I have friends now in Cambridge who are from state schools in the North. The professors are mostly intelligent people, and should be able to overlook such petty concerns as your school and background and class and such.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:50 No.9661400

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:50 No.9661400

Replies: >>9661424

>>9660724

I've been shitting on this thread from the very beginning, snaggletooth.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:50 No.9661412

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:50 No.9661412

If I could go back in time, I'd either do PPE at Balliol/Oxford or Directed Studies ----> American Studies at Yale.

Oh well.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:50 No.9661424

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:50 No.9661424

>>9661400
>Implying it takes anything other than limeys to shit up a thread.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)12:52 No.9661483

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)12:52 No.9661483

>>9661388
>To be honest, I have friends now in Cambridge who are from state schools in the North.
There was quite a sizeable group of Oxbridge applicants from my college. I know at least two people got into Cambridge. I'm really not bothered about perceived social standing, as far a I'm concerned if I'm good enough, I will get in.

>>9661321
>>9661381
That sounds like a good idea mate, thanks for the tip

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)13:03 No.9661765

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)13:03 No.9661765

>>9661595
will do m8

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)13:03 No.9661779

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)13:03 No.9661779

Replies: >>9661818

>>9661249

What you should check out really depends on where you think you went wrong. Just do some research at a good library on your subjects and try and find edited works that discuss things you think you need to understand better. You don't need to read them cover to cover, just find the essays that you think are necessary. With any luck, you'll be able to get digital access to academic journals or ebooks. If you can, reading book reviews on the works you are studying is an excellent way of exposing yourself to focused, peer-reviewed criticism. I can't really recommend anything specific because it really depends on your subject area. If you are not used to this kind of research, there's no better time to get familiar with it.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)13:05 No.9661818

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)13:05 No.9661818

Replies: >>9662044 >>9663221

>>9661779
Okay then, fair enough.
I think I'll start with reviews of some of the older books I'm currently reading, and then see what direction that takes me.
Thanks again for the advice.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)13:05 No.9661827

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)13:05 No.9661827

Replies: >>9662068

Honestly, and I´m really not trolling this time, have you tried red it?, they are for the most part, more open minded, except of course, on the sacred cows of liberalism

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)13:13 No.9662044

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)13:13 No.9662044

Replies: >>9662080

>>9661818

So long as you make sure the book reviews are from good sources. Many academic journals review books relevant to their field every issue, but access without being a studying member of a university can be either tricky or expensive. It really depends on the library and their policies. Good luck.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)13:13 No.9662068

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)13:13 No.9662068

Replies: >>9662285

>>9661827

Wot in the name of the Queen's anus are you trying to say here, yank?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)13:14 No.9662080

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)13:14 No.9662080

Replies: >>9662382

>>9662044
Thanks a lot, anon.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)13:21 No.9662285

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)13:21 No.9662285

>>9662068
Sorry I meant to say; try reddi_t instead of /pol/

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)13:24 No.9662382

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)13:24 No.9662382

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>>9662080

if you're still there, try Google Scholar, it can be surprisingly helpful

>mfw free articles

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)13:59 No.9663221

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)13:59 No.9663221

>>9661818
knowledge isn't necessarily the problem
it could be you were arguing when they were really correcting you over a question or key term you misunderstood so you could answer the question they were really asking

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:03 No.9663322

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:03 No.9663322

Replies: >>9663899

>>9658161
>Tertiary education
>For an arts degree

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:25 No.9663899

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:25 No.9663899

>>9663322
See>>9658352

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:28 No.9663967

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:28 No.9663967

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>>9658431
>I was a Marxist-Leninist who became a libertarian.

No wonder you got rejected. You're clearly fucking retarded, and edgy to boot.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:32 No.9664090

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:32 No.9664090

Replies: >>9664156

>>9663967
>calling people edgy on the internet makes me edgy
>i do not see the irony in this

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:34 No.9664156

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:34 No.9664156

Replies: >>9664273

>>9664090
Have some anti-sage my butthurt libertarian friend.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:38 No.9664273

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:38 No.9664273

>>9664156
Not even OP, just sick of shitposting and faggotry on /pol/