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So North Korea has officially voided its peace pact with South Korea http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hmEUR-mSLEUHfAswkZ36agHTkKiw?docId=CNG.29350d12cef5ba479bd32457cce4d1a0.8a1

Now, I keep seeing all over the internet, retarded Americans saying hurrr durrr we will obliterate them, their nukes will land in their own country, hurrr durrr we could destroy them with one airstrike, hurrr they are all talk we could annihilate them in a day durrr.

And I am just here to say: you people would have said the exact same thing about Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, but look what fuck ups those turned out to be. You are simply stupid and fucking ignorant if you think NK will be a pushover.

So if and when shit finally goes down with NK, and America does NOT defeat them in a matter of days, but instead gets caught up in a another fuck up of a war, I will be here to say I told you so.

tl;dr americans are going to fuck up another part of the world with their inefficient military tactics
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Feels good living on the east coast.
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It's a lot easier to defeat a joke of an army that tries to be a real one than a bunch of guys hiding in mountains and deserts.
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I'm an American and wish the North Koreans all the luck in the world against the decadent South Koreans.
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Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan didn't have the capability to attack the United States, the governments in Afghanistan and Iraq have both fell to US forces, and the south only lost in Vietnam when we left.
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>>11007758
They'll need it.
>mfw NK tries to attack SK
>SK uses its based starcraft pros to control hundreds of american lent drones at once
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> I will be here to say I told you so.

and when the calloused prick of the US war machine effortlessly pink-socks Best Korea I will be here to laugh at your inevitable butthurt.
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NK is never going to do anything. Peace pact breaks all the time. They're obnoxious babies.
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>>11007851
>dat micro
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The big question is: will China support them with troops and/or hardware? I have serious doubts.

>>11007913
But really this.
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They are threatening with Nuclear capabilities. They fire a nuke we're going to several thousand back. Whats so hard to understand?
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>>11007851

10/10, I can see it now.
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We will win because we will smash their military with drones and rail guns mounted on Destroyers.
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>>11007669 (OP)
united states is bad and very arrogant well... most citezens i dnt know polictics but i sure hope nothing bad haappens I think that us should act more civilized war is bad overall
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The US is will loose another war if it keeps issuing troops cold war relics like the m16/m4 variants.
The entire US army is just and expensive low-tec operation.
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>>11007968

China is endorsing this

inb4 MUH SANCTIONS. Yeah and the CPC still says they allow democracy free speech and are socialists.
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I wonder how the south feels about being the human shield for american hegemony
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>>11007979
Im sure they dont wont just launch one single nuke.
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>amerifats literally pissing themselves because they can beat a country with cold war era tech that has been starving for decades.
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>>11008148
If we lose a war it won't be because of rifles.
A rifle is a rifle at the end of the day,
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>>11007979
except the US vowed to never bomb civilians again after WW2, and has stuck with it
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>>11008191
china could change their minds if the us gets in trouble
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>>11008205
How does Japan feel about being an airstrip and dock for the US?
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NK is a chinese puppet state. They will not be a push over.
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>>11008227
and already the anti-Americans have begun to think up excuses as to why a victory over the North Korean military "doesn't count"
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>>11008148
>Implying US will use their troops offensively
They usually send in better trained elite troops from other countries with smaller militaries like Australia to do the hard work whilst just spamming drones.
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>>11007669 (OP)
>implying this wasn't America's intention all along.
>implying a World War will not revive America and Europe's flagging economies.

Strife is the fuel of Economy
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>>11008272

But if they are controlling NK how could the US get into trouble.
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>>11008227

>America "lost" in vietnam
>America "lost" in Afghanistan

Someone remind me again when USA "lost" against a regular military?
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>>11008148
>implying there is anything wrong with current military hardware issued to the united states armed forces
>implying old age = ineffective weaponry
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>>11008272
If they did the whole empire could collapse like a house of cards
the us would be bankrupted for a long time
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>>11008315
Well it doesn't.
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>>11008315

It literally doesn't this time. Every other war is a win for you. North Korea doesn't count at all. Anybody could've beaten them they just don't like to kill starving gooks.
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Let me put it this way. Whether I get to conquer NK or whether it's another vietnam, there's going to be a hell of a lot of half me's running around NK in the next few years.
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>>11007712
God bless this post.
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>>11008389
they let you fight the puppet wear you down , then invent an excuse to get involved on nk side
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>>11008315
Ever since the Korean War and Vietnam, the US only goes to war with countries that can't put up a fight (see last decade's wars for examples).
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>>11008422
north korea 1952
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>>11008545

The US wouldn't attack if they didn't account for the China factor and neither would South korea and japan.
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>>11008581
you act like America goes on conquests

we only fuck with people who fuck with us or our allies
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>>11008422
Remind me again when the USA fought a war against a regular military, that you didn't jump in late and half-ass it?

Mexico and Spain, I'll give you that. Revolutionary War too, but Britbongs were a bit busy with Napoopan at the time.
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>>11007669 (OP)
Bro, I don't think you get it. We COULD annihilate them with just a few fly overs. They would starve to death and freeze to death. There IS a strong possibility the would nuke themselves. NK alone would absolutely be a pushover. NK has been all talk for decades.

Even if you really think the war would be another vietnam, who do you think would still be a superpower and who do you think would be decimated?
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>>11008619
>Napoopan

40 years too early
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>>11008607
>Veitnam
>Iraq (Part II)
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Op is fucking stupid

A total war is not the same as a a war on terror/limited war

No rules to truly abide by
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>You are simply stupid and fucking ignorant if you think NK will be a pushover.

Except they will be. Nasty shit will go down, mind you, no doubt. Seoul could get leveled. A small, desperate warhead. Insurgencies within the NK military after the country is shat on.

But the military is a joke man. They can barely stand at their posts that's how fucking little they get to eat.
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>>11008644
1812, sorry. My mistake.
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The common man only sees the conflict at hand.

If you look a bit harder you realize that this conflict will spill over into the entire world in a heartbeat.
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I don't like war with North Korea. It just feels wrong, I'm highly against it. Even if it costs a few American lives. It's not worth the millions that will die if we go to full war.
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>>11008647
>Lao and others
>our president's father and Kuwait ad Saudi Arabia
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>>11008302

China keeps telling NK to shut the fuck up dude.
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>>11008606
oh well then. as long as everyone knows this youll be fine
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>>11008647
>Vietnam
>France, our ally
>South Vietnam, democracy fighting communism and was our ally (I believe)
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>>11008596
>implying we didnt kick north korea's ass
>implying the war didnt end in 1953
>implying you're not retarded
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>>>11007979
>im sure they dont wont
uh yea
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>>11007669 (OP)

We won't get the chance.

The north doesn't need nukes. They're just gonna start firing their artillery batteries into the south.

The South Koreans and their US support will steamroll the under equipped and style over substance NK army, but we will arrive late. We arrived late when we didn't clear this minefield back when we had the chance.

The southern forces will roll NK, and rule over an empire of dust to the north, and an republic of ashes to the south.
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>>11007979
Norkies don't understand MAD doctrine.
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>>11008607
>you act like America goes on conquests

*gestures once again to the Vietnam War and Iraq War (both of them)*
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>>11008662
hey! if they can take over the south , they won't need to ask for food
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>>11008382
ayeeeee.... nice conspiracy
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>>11008801
read the thread shitlord
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>>11008805
>The military industrial complex doesn't exist guys
>it's a conspiracy I swear
>guys
>guys please take me seriously
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>>11008727

If they really wanted them to shut up they would have removed the leadership and put a puppet regime in place.

I'm sorry this is hard for you to comprehend. I'm sorry you believe that China doesn't invade NK because they fear refugees.

Because that is false, they can easily deal with the refugees. They can even split them to neighboring countries. They have 1.4 billion people, a few million is no big deal and if they are women it would help their imbalanced gender ratio even more.

Deal with it. China is behind all this to scare their neighbors constantly as they expand their influence heavily in regions the West is not looking at.
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>>11008148
Oh pah, its a perfectly good rifle. Generals lose wars, not rifles. Guns dont kill people, people kill people.
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>>11008148
A good soldier with a nugget is better then a mediocre soldier with an M4 is better then a terrible soldier with a SCAR-L.
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>>11008849
Russia is the only other country that neighbors north korea besides china and SK.
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>>11008833
well clearly business is created by wars, you were saying the conspiracy is that americans want war
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>>11008907
>America has lobby groups
>Lobby groups influence policy
>The military industrial complex profits from war
>the military industrial complex can afford lobbyists
There's the pieces, let's see if you can assemble them.
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>>11008903

Split it with Russia and South Korea. The UN will probably aid the remainder.

It's not hard, the CPC is not stupid. They are doing this on purpose and the shills in the West just blindly believe there's a rogue nation on the loose. That does not exist in our world.
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they canceled their pact a few years back

in fact they've murdered south koreans a couple of times. they are just throwing words nowadays. i dont see any warning missiles or shit. i wont take them seriously until there's real action not just funny words and cute youtube montages for call of duty.
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>>11008810
*reads thread up until quoted post*

*points once more to vietnam and iraq*
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>>11008731
this

also american government hamstringed troop numbers and firepower in the korean war. They where afraid MacArthur would invade China so they kept his force to a minimum.
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russia says the us is trying to surround them
taking out n korea would be another step closer
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>>11008991
based illiterate retard
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OP is retarded

source for the following: http://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/mind-the-gap-between-rhetoric-and-reality/

Three Primary Factors

Range – Only about 1/3 of Seoul is presently in range from artillery along a DMZ trace. The northern reaches of Seoul within artillery range have much lower population densities than Seoul proper;
Numbers – Even though KPA has a tremendous number of artillery pieces, only a certain number are emplaced to range Seoul. KPA can’t emplace every weapon near Seoul or the rest of North Korea’s expansive border would be unguarded and even more vulnerable. Moreover, an artillery tube immediately reveals its location as soon as it fires. Therefore only about two-thirds of artillery will open fire at a time. The rest are trying to remain hidden;
Protection – Artillery shelters for twenty million people exist in the greater Seoul metropolitan area. After the initial surprise has worn off, there simply won’t be large numbers of exposed people. Even during the initial attack the vast majority of people will either be at work, at home, or in transit. Few people will be standing in the middle of an open field with no protection whatsoever available anywhere nearby.
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>>11008624
>China would still be a superpower
>America would be decimated
>NK goes back to sucking Chinese cock.
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>>11009030

Three Secondary Factors

Dud rate – the only numbers available—to the DPRK as well as the rest of the world—indicate a dud rate of twenty-five percent. It’s like immediately taking every fourth artillery tube away.
Counter-battery fires – shortly after the KPA artillery begins firing, and the political decision has been made, South Korean artillery, Air Forces, and others will begin destroying artillery at a historical rate of 1% per hour. South Korea has had approximately 50 years to figure out where North Korean artillery tubes are emplaced using every sense available to man and machine.
Logistics – in order to move south from the DMZ trace and place the rest of Seoul at risk, KPA must expose approximately 2,500 thin-skinned vehicles each day along three well-defined transportation corridors. Otherwise, KPA grinds to an almost immediate halt without a way to transport fuel, ammunition and spare parts needed to continue moving south. Alternatively, KPA can scavenge from ROK fuel stores and depots if they have not been previously destroyed.

Factors as to why NK will never do shit
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>>11008991
fuck, vietnam was to protect the southern province from communist takeover. iraq was in defence of its neighboring countries
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>>11009032
>muh china man
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>>11009030
this, the threat to seoul is a little exaggerated, but it's probably the most viable nuke target.
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>>11009030
>Only 1/3rd of Seoul is in range of DMZ gun artillery
>Not counting Scuds, Katyushas, and assorted knock-offs thereof

>>11009052
25% dud rate means 25% of shells fired fail, not 25% of artillery pieces. And as we know from cleaning up Europe after the wars, duds are basically deadly jack-in-the-boxes
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>>11008810

"shitlord" Kindly take your faggotry back to rebbit please.
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>>11009055
Vietnam started because the north fired at our ships when we were spying on them in their waters. Iraq was so that Bush Jr. can finish the job Bush Sr. couldn't do during the Gulf War.
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>>11008941

Also I would like to point out this entire garbage situation of North Korea is caused by the US and Chinese government. They are operating on policies from the Cold War and not adapting to modern thinking either out of negligence or for motives beyond my knowledge. It's fucking retarded how the US and China will not be upfront about North Korea's existence and how to deal with it together because they irrationally distrust each other and refuse to speak candidly.

Just imagine if Truman wasn't a fuckwit in the 40s and became Mao's ally(when Mao pleaded to the US). Instead they've allowed this utter shithole to exist because they have swept it under the rug.
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>>11009055
iraq was to secure oil supplies for the west
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>>11009134
you know the gulf of tonkin incident was fabricated?

holy shit you are ignorant
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>>11009134
>Vietnam started because the north fired at our ships when we were spying on them in their waters
I'm a little rusty on my cold war history, but I'm fairly sure Tankin Gulf was staged.
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>>11009134
you are more brainwashed than a north korean peasant
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>>11009152
>you know the gulf of tonkin incident was fabricated?
I've seen Zietgeist back in 2006, their claims that it didn't happen was itself fabricated.
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>>11009137
chinese also don't want the americans on their borders
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>this thread
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>>11009196
>robert mcnamara would like a word with you
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>>11009152
>>11009168
>The Gulf of Tonkin incident (or the USS Maddox incident) is the name given to two separate confrontations, one actual and one false, involving North Vietnam and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin.
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>>11009196
Fine, I'll make it easy for you.

Who the fuck would engage an escorted aircraft carrier of a non-hostile nation with three torpedo boats.
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>>11009168
yep

History is a lot more gray than black and white. America is actually generally "okay" though, not completely evil, just stupid.
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>>11009149
paranoid faggot
>>11009134
why do you think we were observing the vietnamese? we were planning on going to war anyway to protect the south
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>>11007669 (OP)
You don't understand history very well do you?

>Vietnam
I'll admit that was fucked up, but something about not being able to place troops near north Vietnam is what caused a lot of problems.

>Iraq, Afghanistan
We're occupying those shitholes, and I really don't know why. That isn't a fuck up, it's just bullshit that has to do with finding some towelheads in some caves.

North Korea will definitely be a pushover if Obama or whoeverthefuck is smart enough and not corrupt enough to go in and strike fucking hard. What will PROBABLY happen is, let's just say NK attacks us. Not necessarily a nuke, but an attack that shows just how much of an immediate threat they really are. Since it's an actual government, we'll go in and capture specific headquarters of their forces. These aren't just random armed chinks running around, or towelheads hiding in caves. These are military troops we'll be fighting against, so traditional military tactics should be sufficient enough. Of course, we'll probably occupy for a while and a whole lot of other shit that I really don't like.

If they successfully nuke us and kill millions (worst case scenario I say), then we need to retaliate with another nuke, even if it involves killing innocents. THAT will terminate their threat almost instantly.

But don't compare Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan wars with something like this. Those were very different situations.
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>>11009250
>We were planning on going to war to protect the south
>The south lost
So you're admitting America lost a war
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To the people saying China is endorsing the fight, let me explain a few things.

First off, China and America; as well as most world powers that are "super powers" or just larger powers, will always FUND wars but never FIGHT them with each other. Imagine the Middle Eastern conflict and Korean conflict as a big cock-fight. We fund one side, the Chinese fund another side, but on the sidelines we are buddies watching the fights play out while we profit.

Secondly, China has already told North Korea to shut the fuck up and back down. China knows if NK launches one nuke that everyone and their brother is going to turn NK into ash. That wouldn't be good for China SO they told their bastard child - Chow More Rice - to stop being a bitch for five minutes.
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>>11009280
is South Vietnam communist?
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>>11009295
Is there even a South and North Vietnam anymore?
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>>11009204

They are surrounded by the US navy anyways which is enough. Why the fuck would the United States invade through South Korea to North Korea when they have a giant navy that can smash the shit out of Beijing and their major cities from Taiwan and Japan?

Going through north korea is shit. it's mountainous and incredibly difficult to navigate. The US does not need to occupy North Korea for it to dissolve.
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>>11009295
yes
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>>11009326
was South Vietnam ever communist?

is Vietnam communist today?
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>>11009326

Technically?
>No
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Does north korea have subs capable of firing nukes? If so could they reach the US undetected?
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>>11009250
>paranoid faggot
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>>11009332
also human shields?
why do you think everyone would be so willing to be them
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It won't last just a few days, a few weeks, a month or two maybe, assuming we don't nuke their ass from the start. The problem with Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan was that we were fighting guerrillas. In this case, where we would be fighting a uniformed, formal military, the war would be over far sooner. North Korea stands no chance against the combined military might of the U.S. and its allies. Even just the U.S. could wipe them off the face of the planet in hours if we chose to utilize our nukes.

Pic related. 'Murica.
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>>11009374
no it's the same thing as chinas system but just less wealthy
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>>11009280
it wasnt our war. but if you want to play that game:
the tet offensive was an embarassing defeat for the NVA. had nixon not succumbed to hippie pressure, vietnam would be a capitalist nation today
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>>11007851

In a SC2 analogy North Korea would only have one mineral patch.
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>>11009399
so you're saying that North Vietnam didn't accomplish their goal in taking over South Vietnam and making it communist

got it
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>>11008774
>The southern forces will roll NK, and rule over an empire of dust to the north, and an republic of ashes to the south.

SOP would be to mock you for saying such flowery bullshit but it's so goddamn true.
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>>11008265

>LEL^LEL

are you kidding me, please shut your mouth you stupid faggot
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>>11009392
all you're doing is regurgitating rhetoric you heard from you undrageb& friends. please gtfo
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>>11009421

And be supply blocked as well.
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>>11008265
I blame liberalism. They will just lie there while getting kicked in the balls, begging you to forgive them.
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>>11009468
excellent retort
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>>11009196
It's straight up mainstream knowledge that the Gulf Of Tonkin did not happen as an unprovoked attack on US Sailors.
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>>11008422
>>11008422
Canada
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>>11009405
The tet offensive was perpetuated by the Vietcong not the NVA and may have been infact a plan by the latter to invalidate the latter as a political force when the reunifcation inevitably happened
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>>11009393

It would be a terrible human shield then. The people would surrender in a day.
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>>11009490
I live in Texas and the history books confirm the government lied about the tonkin incident.
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This is the moment I've dreamt about for years now. WW3 is finally here. How will you survive the nuclear holocaust and subsequent worldwide post-apocalyptic world?
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>>11009471
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/secret-memos-expose-link-between-oil-firms-and-invasion-of-iraq-2269610.html
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>>11008422
>>11009502
>pic couldn't be more related
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>>11009488

as if the USA decimating countless civilians since WWII isn't common knowledge and deserves a more intelligent response to such a stupid statement
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ITT:
Civ's think they can into tactics.

I will tell you that the norks are starving. Every single penny goes to their dated military. This may only be what the allow us to think. They think we are satan incarnate. We deserve to die, and they are willing to give every ounce of strength to kill every American they can.
This again may be false, as the entire country is blacked out.

I will say this. NK has no money, their sustainable combat is fucking nothing. They will storm to the coast of SK and hold it as long as possible, and beg china to step in. If they make it.

They have no natural resources(worth mentioning) and their people are starving to the point of putting the tallest starving holocaust victim looking dude on gate guard, so the Americans think they art well fed.

Their troops steal baby food from humanitarian airdrops.

It was over before it began. They will be pushovers, and they think they are in a league far above what they are.

There will be no insurgency, because they have no weapons or munitions in the first place, and nearly every man, woman, and child will be killed off in the first 4 months.

It is completely stupid to think the norks will ever succeed in fighting the U.S. unless they convince China to help them somehow.

China has their economic hand squeezing our economic balls, so what do we have to lose? Life? Fuck that... Since when has the U.S. ever cared about a loss of life?

Even with their 2 million man standing army, we could easily bolster ours to over 10 million, train, and equip them 10x better, in 1/10th the time.

We have nothing that can defeat our military on this earth.
Even missiles can shoot down other missiles before they even leave the country of origin.

It will be a bloodbath, but only shortlived.
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>>11009471
don't believe in conspiracy theories and shit, but no doubt that oil may very well have had some sort of influence in it all
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>>11009593
collateral damage is different from deliberately bombing civilian towns
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>>11009543

The invasion of Iraq was to prop up the petrodollar. We actually import most of our oil from canada, not the middle east. Saddam started selling his oil for gold or euros, which invalidates the US as the middleman. It's the same reason we took out Ghadaffi.
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To all those warmongering neocohens, this is how you look and sound like if you post something like "LEL DA NORTH KOREA IZ ZO WEAK DEY ALL BE STARVIN N SHEIT CNN TOLD ME JESUS LOVES MURRIKA XDDDDD"

The entirety of north korea is one single unit.

You fat neckbeard warriors have no chance against them.
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They will be steamrolled in the same way Iraq did in conventional warfare.

All North Koreans can do is flex nuts. Their people are starving. Their tech is obsolete. Their whole mindset is stuck in the fucking 1940s.
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This would be perfect for the US to exterminate the scum in this Earth.

Draft raddit, 4chan, and every faggot. Send them to North Korea and win. They probably would given NK but if they don't it's still win
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>>11007669 (OP)
NK is a conventional military that is not at all popular with the common people. literally half the population will defect if we just order them food.
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>>11009391
>Does north korea have subs capable of firing nukes?

Hahahaha, no! Of course not. *China* doesn't have nuke-carrying subs yet, though they will soon.
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>>11009617
>The entirety of north korea is one single unit.

Explain what this means, please.

If you think the North Koreans on their own can make even a dent on the entire US military, you're fucking ridiculous.
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NK also isn't a giant jungle or mountainous shithole.
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>>11009730
He's saying the majority of north koreans are forced to work hard unlike americas army of 4chinners who fap and play games all day.
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Why does the second war is a possibility neckbeards endlessly babble about it?
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>yfw this is just a ploy by the Jews to put a Rothschild bank in NK and station black troops in SK and get the local women to blanda upp and pollute another racially homogenous country with muds
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>>11009818
First real war we'll have in years.

No more hunting sandniggers in desolate deserts, but finally a symmetrical (Well, symmetrical for atleast less than a week) war
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>>11009780
Actually, it is mountainous.
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>>11009780
fuck off
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>>11009850
so why does nobody in real life talk about it.
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>>11009823
But Japan has been Americanized and they're still nationalistic.
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>>11009780
it's the latter not the former.

it's a horrible place to have a country
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>>11009788

>He's saying the majority of north koreans are forced to work hard

It means jack shit against a modernized army, the biggest in the world, against an army that will be completely demoralized within a day when they see that their army is only good for posturing. They have no leg to stand on.

I hate this place. But to say that our army would lose to North Korea, or even be repelled at all in a conventional war, is idiocy.
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>>11009894

You think .000001% of right wing idiots represents Japan

I guess the GOP represents modern america amirite?
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>>11009662

Nah, I already did my time so I can't be drafted. But it's an interesting idea.
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>>11009894
And that was decades before Zionism completely dominated America too. They won't stop until SK looks like Sweden on a bad day.
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>>11009917

Pretty much, yeah.


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