Anonymous
01/26/13(Sat)23:48 No.9614898

Anonymous 01/26/13(Sat)23:48 No.9614898

Replies: >>9615107

By removing their ability to do monetary tricks the inevitable crash will happen sooner rather than later.

Anonymous
01/26/13(Sat)23:55 No.9615107

Anonymous 01/26/13(Sat)23:55 No.9615107

Replies: >>9615157 >>9615161

>>9614898
WRONG! 0/10 shame 2 famry.
Anyone else?

Anonymous
01/26/13(Sat)23:56 No.9615136

Anonymous 01/26/13(Sat)23:56 No.9615136

Replies: >>9615147 >>9615201

>>9614786 (OP)
The value of the American dollar will increase.

Anonymous
01/26/13(Sat)23:56 No.9615147

Anonymous 01/26/13(Sat)23:56 No.9615147

Replies: >>9615205 >>9615214

>>9615136
Almost! What will happen after THAT?

Anonymous
01/26/13(Sat)23:56 No.9615157

Anonymous 01/26/13(Sat)23:56 No.9615157

Replies: >>9615182

>>9615107
Transactions will be carried out digitally more and more often until paper money stops being used.

Anonymous
01/26/13(Sat)23:56 No.9615161

Anonymous 01/26/13(Sat)23:56 No.9615161

Replies: >>9615233

>>9615107
Please cease your shitty attempts at bumping with provocative comments.

/b/ is calling you to come back.

Anonymous
01/26/13(Sat)23:57 No.9615173

Anonymous 01/26/13(Sat)23:57 No.9615173

Replies: >>9615233

Nothing much because actual cash represents a very small amount of actual wealth.

Probably cash would become scarce because banks wouldn't be able to replace old shitty money with new bills.

Anonymous
01/26/13(Sat)23:57 No.9615182

Anonymous 01/26/13(Sat)23:57 No.9615182

Replies: >>9615208

>>9615157
lolno. not even close...

Anonymous
01/26/13(Sat)23:58 No.9615201

Anonymous 01/26/13(Sat)23:58 No.9615201

>>9615136
>The value of the American dollar will increase.
lel no, the only way the dollar is stating afloat at the moment is with cheap credit, dry up the money supply and the cheap credit is gone and the economy collapses.

Anonymous
01/26/13(Sat)23:58 No.9615205

Anonymous 01/26/13(Sat)23:58 No.9615205

Replies: >>9615353

>>9615147
Deflation from government austerity, the economy shrinks

Anonymous
01/26/13(Sat)23:58 No.9615208

Anonymous 01/26/13(Sat)23:58 No.9615208

>>9615182
So you think because money isn't being printed the dollars aren't being created?

Most money is already digital.

Anonymous
01/26/13(Sat)23:59 No.9615214

Anonymous 01/26/13(Sat)23:59 No.9615214

Replies: >>9615229

>>9615147
Well, a lot of should could happen after that. I'm guessing you're fishing for economic recovery?

Anonymous
01/26/13(Sat)23:59 No.9615229

Anonymous 01/26/13(Sat)23:59 No.9615229

>>9615214
Whoa. I butchered that.

*a lot could happen

Anonymous
01/26/13(Sat)23:59 No.9615233

Anonymous 01/26/13(Sat)23:59 No.9615233

>>9615161
It's funny because they actually can't get it, when the answer is so damn obvious.

>>9615173
>Nothing much because actual cash represents a very small amount of actual wealth.
Oh no, LOTS will happen.

>Probably cash would become scarce because banks wouldn't be able to replace old shitty money with new bills.
Kind of?

Anonymous
01/26/13(Sat)23:59 No.9615237

Anonymous 01/26/13(Sat)23:59 No.9615237

China will put us to shame

We will have to work twice as hard for the same shit
OR
We will lose all influence over global events

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:00 No.9615251

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:00 No.9615251

Replies: >>9615370 >>9615749

Bitcoins flourish.

Do you even free market money?

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:04 No.9615348

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:04 No.9615348

Replies: >>9615405

>>9614786 (OP)
The economy will deflate, no one will be able to afford shit and confidence of the dollar will be lost completely. No one would use it except the incredibly wealthy with access to credit, credit access would be lost to everyone without a vast amount of assets.

Basically it would suck balls and the gold standard would come back, which would be even worse, so bartering would take over for most of us, and the government would collapse with international trade.

We would be reduced to 3rd world status overnight.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:04 No.9615353

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:04 No.9615353

Replies: >>9615397 >>9615429 >>9615461 >>9615634 >>9615809 >>9615977 >>9616049 >>9616414 >>9616737

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>>9615205
>Deflation from government austerity, the economy shrinks
A RING A DING DING MOTHER FUCKER!

/pol/, say you have a lot of a certain commodity, like a stock, and you KNOW the value is gonna go up, like, absolutely CERTAIN... what do you do?
YOU KEEP IT.
You hold on to it and let no one else pry it from your cold dead hands!
Now what if that commodity was money?
You hold on to your money.
You don't spend your money.
Nothing is being bought
EVERYTHING GOES TO SHIT.
Now apologize to Mr. Bernanke for being a dumbass.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:05 No.9615370

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:05 No.9615370

Replies: >>9615755

>>9615251
Bitcoins is a cute novelty. Like monopoly money.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:06 No.9615397

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:06 No.9615397

Replies: >>9615433 >>9615447

>>9615353
Except that's wrong. Cash would become worthless as people switched to digital in anticipation of no cash.

Foresight works both ways.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:06 No.9615405

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:06 No.9615405

Replies: >>9615509

>>9615348
bonus points for you.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:07 No.9615420

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:07 No.9615420

Replies: >>9615614 >>9616819

Americans will start trading goods. From this, a new currency will eventually arise.

Because of trading becoming necessary again, laborers and farmers will be in high demand (Everyone needs food and a working toilet), becoming economical powerhouses when the banks croak and everyone runs to them with his problems. They will be able to set prices at will.

New towns and villages will appear when farmers band together for protection against looters and raiders, first forming farming communities.

Cities will likely become a bit deserted with people moving to the country to be closer to their source of food.

Fashion-wise, the rugged country look will make a comeback: Flanell shirts, boots, high rise bootcut jeans.

Other trends will include a return to more conservative values as families are forced to stick together. Youth subcultures will most likely vanish, with music being reduced to what people can do themselves (e.g. accoustic rock and techno tracks made on computers) and people not having enough free time to rebel against their pet peeves.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:07 No.9615429

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:07 No.9615429

Replies: >>9615508

>>9615353
Yea big H all about that economy.

Just like I said a bit before. Dollar value would skyrocket and no one would be able to afford shit. So people would just forget about the dollar and say fuck it.

And the peoples that keeps it gangster would rule America as our international presences becomes a thing of the past.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:08 No.9615433

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:08 No.9615433

>>9615397
people just switch to digital cash? Just like that? People have to actually think money is worth something you know...

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:08 No.9615447

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:08 No.9615447

>>9615397
He meant total cash available. Only the Government is allowed to make money magically appear, this thread is about what would happen if they stopped doing that.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:09 No.9615461

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:09 No.9615461

Replies: >>9615609 >>9615714

>>9615353
1: Bernanke's not just a kike, he's an undeniably guilty upper-tier kike
2: This is where the path of capitalism leads. If we weren't using money to motivate everything we wouldn't be in this mess. Of course a society like that could never exist with modern Murfats because they're all adult children and won't do shit unless there's some weed or pay-per-view simulated war on the tube in it for them.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:09 No.9615468

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:09 No.9615468

Replies: >>9615548 >>9615689 >>9615786

>dollar inflates, economy crashes
>dollar deflates, economy crashes
>dollar stay the same, economy stagnates
wat do

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:10 No.9615508

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:10 No.9615508

Replies: >>9615641 >>9615655

>>9615429
Ya know, all of this is basically retarded conjecture though. Noone's ever going to suspend printing of their currency forever.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:10 No.9615509

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:10 No.9615509

>>9615405
yay thanks i appreciate.

And I think the money supply is going to be tightened later this decade.

Will be awesome for American prowess.

But cutting out inflation completely overnight would be economic suicide.

Yay dollar. People think it's down when it really is still an unstoppable force.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:12 No.9615548

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:12 No.9615548

Replies: >>9615565 >>9615762

>>9615468
Adopt sound money and ignore Keynesian bullshit.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:13 No.9615565

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:13 No.9615565

Replies: >>9615644

>>9615548
>amount of trade increases due to globalization, population growth and new industries
>amount of money is fixed
wat do

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:15 No.9615609

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:15 No.9615609

Replies: >>9615817 >>9615890

>>9615461
>1: Bernanke's not just a kike, he's an undeniably guilty upper-tier kike
Is 'upper tier kike' a compliment? Because what Bernanke has done is worth more than what any of us will ever hope to do.

>If we weren't using money to motivate everything we wouldn't be in this mess.
You guys really need some perspective.
You have clean food and water.
You have electricity and electronics.
You have shelter.
You have healthcare.
You aren't living in total fucking anarchy.
And this is a mess? Sure, times are tough, but have they, and will they always be that way?

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:15 No.9615614

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:15 No.9615614

Replies: >>9615701

>>9615420
A bit fanciful I reckon, I think the lost "laborers and farmers" will leave old posts and work for those already established. Because more for less is better right?

People in cities would be rounded up into labor units, they would be put to use restoring the supply of commodities we once relied on other nations for.

I think you're living in the past, we mars now. Never forget that.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:16 No.9615634

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:16 No.9615634

Replies: >>9615733

>>9615353
>You don't spend your money.
>Nothing is being bought

You obviously have no clue how economy works. Hint: If there's a desire to be satiated, someone will show up and satisfy it for a price. You don't need money for that, it's just that money is practical and simplifies things a lot. In essence, it doesn't matter if you pay for a cab with 20 dollars or 20 chickens, it's just that everyone agrees on the value of a dollar, so things get easier. That's why currencies appeared in the first place. In other words, even if you remove each and every dollar from the world, a new currency will show up within a short time, especially if the government isn't in shambles. That's how things go. Look at Germany after WW2, for example.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:16 No.9615641

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:16 No.9615641

>>9615508
It's intellectually inspiring though. You know what it is.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:16 No.9615644

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:16 No.9615644

Replies: >>9615684

>>9615565
>amount of money is fixed
What he fuck are you on about? Are you implying that all precious metals have been mined

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:16 No.9615655

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:16 No.9615655

Replies: >>9615955

>>9615508
>Ya know, all of this is basically retarded conjecture though
How many times have you heard someone on this board say, 'end the fed' and not say what to replace it with?

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:17 No.9615684

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:17 No.9615684

Replies: >>9615774

>>9615644
OK, fair enough. But then the amount of money would scale with the mining industry. If there was a breakthrough in mining technology during a recession...

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:18 No.9615689

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:18 No.9615689

Replies: >>9615704

>>9615468
>dollar inflates, economy crashes
Uh, no it goes more like dollar inflates, economy inflates...

Has history taught you nothing?

What do is grow the economy, streamline the economy, control deficits, start paying back debts and THEN deflate the economy in a very controlled manner.

The plans are put out in the open to anyone with an open eye.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:18 No.9615692

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:18 No.9615692

Replies: >>9615974

your premise is faulty. the fed monetizes the debt from the treasury. so by 'not printing anymore money' that means they're not buying debt from the treasury. this means congress can only raise money through taxation or reduced spending.

i mean shit, i won't even get into the effect this has on consumer spending yet alone the 'disappearance' of money due to the banks destroying physical money when cancelling out loans.

you could really go a million directions at once with this op...

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:18 No.9615701

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:18 No.9615701

Replies: >>9615840 >>9616030 >>9616096

>>9615614
No, that won't happen. In this scenario, the people providing the basic commodities of life (Food and shelter) would call the shots. The government, if it still exists, would be a slave to farmers and laborers, simply because it cannot meaningfully pay anyone anymore - whom would the cops, for example, serve? People paying them with a now worthless currency, or people trading food and houses for protection?
That's what I meant by trading. People will always trade, doesn't matter if they have a currency or not.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:18 No.9615704

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:18 No.9615704

Replies: >>9616128

>>9615689
Or just pull a Hitler. Hyperinflate your economy to pay your debts then reboot your currency.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:19 No.9615714

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:19 No.9615714

Replies: >>9615723 >>9616020

>>9615461
Without this motivation iphones wouldn't exist...

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:19 No.9615723

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:19 No.9615723

Replies: >>9616020

>>9615714
Great loss to society that would be. You could have at least used a good example.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:20 No.9615733

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:20 No.9615733

Replies: >>9615801 >>9615819

>>9615634
Except there is no more money that's being printed so you KNOW the dollar will keep going up, and won't stop, so why spend when it's going to be worth more tomorrow?

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:21 No.9615749

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:21 No.9615749

>>9615251
>bitcoins
>flourish
le gud econimist fayce

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:21 No.9615755

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:21 No.9615755

Replies: >>9615797

>>9615370
You can't buy drugs with monopoly money.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:21 No.9615762

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:21 No.9615762

Replies: >>9615848

>>9615548
It's too bad "sound money" is not actually sound at all. The economy has never been as stable as it has been these past 50 years in history.

Stably shit, but stable nonetheless. Funny how people go crazy when things go slightly more shitty temporarily.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:22 No.9615774

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:22 No.9615774

Replies: >>9616215

>>9615684
>implying the alternatives are preferable
No thanks, I'd rather not be a slave and be subject to small fluctuations caused by mining.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:22 No.9615786

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:22 No.9615786

Replies: >>9616247

>>9615468
keep it at about 1-3% real infation per year?
massive inflation kills economies, not a little.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:23 No.9615797

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:23 No.9615797

Replies: >>9616215

>>9615755
youve never been to liberia

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:23 No.9615801

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:23 No.9615801

>>9615733
>so why spend when it's going to be worth more tomorrow?

Because you need something to eat. If you don't spend your hoarded dollars and trade instead, you'll soon sit on a bunch of worthless green paper because nobody will use this kind of money anymore.

Your scenario would not prove any economical theory right or wrong, it would, after a short time, reset the US to pre-modern levels.

Zero !lB7/.NfJz.
01/27/13(Sun)00:23 No.9615809

Zero !lB7/.NfJz. 01/27/13(Sun)00:23 No.9615809

Replies: >>9616105

>>9615353

>hurr durr
>Nothing is being bought
>EVERYTHING GOES TO SHIT.

Hate to break it to you............

But its happening anyway.

You can't have infinite growth.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:23 No.9615817

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:23 No.9615817

Replies: >>9616204

>>9615609
People gotta complain cause it could be much better. Utopia is and has been within reach all century. The free market model with a touch of liberalism has always been the answer, too bad it's met with so much resistance.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:23 No.9615819

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:23 No.9615819

>>9615733
The same reason people are still saving even as the dollar is becoming worth less and less.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:24 No.9615832

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:24 No.9615832

Communism will thrive

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:24 No.9615840

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:24 No.9615840

Replies: >>9615888

>>9615701
The established peoples create enough basic commodities for everyone, therefore I am still correct.

Why make your own bullshit food and shelter when someone else is willing to give it to you for less work?

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:25 No.9615848

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:25 No.9615848

Replies: >>9616215

>>9615762
>traded monetary freedom and occasional issues to become slaves to fiat currency and doom future generations
Sounds so nice to me.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:26 No.9615888

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:26 No.9615888

>>9615840
What do you mean by that? That the government stops printing money but gives everyone a house and 2500 kcal of healthy, tasty food? Because then, you'd just have stagnation.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:26 No.9615890

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:26 No.9615890

Replies: >>9615930 >>9616136

>>9615609
Wow. This is like going to a third worlder who has enough food to eat and telling them they're doing good and are stupid to want more. Humans shouldn't be the fat, stupid pigapes they are now, toiling 9 hours a day 7 days a week doing what robots should have been doing decades ago, barely using any space travel, with shit technology, etc. What you fail to realize is that Mankind is meant to be glorious. What we have now is mud. The fact that we're all not dead yet is no excuse for settling for less than greatness. Capitalism simply cannot and will not EVER make Mankind great because it's sole motive is greed, not the betterment of the species. If anything resembling that occurs, it's a side-effect and the dumb libertarians come in saying "See! Look! Even though it wasn't the intent, things sort of worked out! Proof that this is the best system!" I have a better idea, why don't we actually focus on Humanity, instead of the accumulation of wealth? Why does this never occur to anyone? Surely it's not that difficult of a concept?

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:27 No.9615905

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:27 No.9615905

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Bitcoins become the national currency.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:28 No.9615930

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:28 No.9615930

Replies: >>9616268

>>9615890
>Why does this never occur to anyone?

Because not everyone is a retard.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:29 No.9615955

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:29 No.9615955

Replies: >>9616013

>>9615655
Alright, I guess I understand what you're saying then. But don't they always say switch to gold standard? Not that I agree with it.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:30 No.9615974

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:30 No.9615974

>>9615692
Right on if we're going to imagine this literally it would mean the immediate collapse of the dollar and nothing more.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:30 No.9615977

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:30 No.9615977

Replies: >>9616058

>>9615353
You dumbass, savings is a good thing. Savings funds investments and loans. Without savings, there would be no investment. Spending money has opportunity costs, and saving money is merely defering the time in which money is spent in the future. Money does not just disappear. The American economy needs savings so that it would not rely so heavily on government handouts and artificially cheap credit.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:32 No.9616013

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:32 No.9616013

>>9615955
They say gold standard because gold is universally accepted as valuable. Go silver standard or platinum standard or candy standard or virginal 16 year old girl standard if you prefer. You just need something everyone likes so you can have easy trade. A good example would be the "cigarette standard" in jail or post-war countries.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:32 No.9616020

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:32 No.9616020

>>9615714
>>9615723
There is no fucking good example, because capitalism is actively holding us back. You can't make things that last forever, because you lose money, so quality goes down the toilet. You can't have cheap, clean energy produced by every home made of things that last for years, because then the power companies lose money, so we're still burning fossil fuels which any sane species would have abandoned decades ago, etc, etc, etc.

The fact is, with capitalism, you have a motive for NOT perfecting things. This is a fucking abomination!

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:32 No.9616030

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:32 No.9616030

Replies: >>9616161

>>9615701
No the people that keeps it gangster would be calling the shots, an established group would have no qualms confiscating a farm from a rebel. The financiers still own the farms... Farmers wouldn't be able to support themselves they need water, plumbing, gas and more.

So in short, no, the farmers wouldn't run anything. They would have 2 choices, work for an established group or struggle barbarically.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:33 No.9616049

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:33 No.9616049

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>>9615353
LOL
>implying Americans understand economics
>implying they wouldn't use their newly more valuable dollar to buy even more shit
>implying you aren't a jew

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:33 No.9616058

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:33 No.9616058

Replies: >>9616134

>>9615977
Saving money only makes sense if you invest it some day. If you sit on it like Scrooge McDuck, you'll run into problems.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:35 No.9616096

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:35 No.9616096

Replies: >>9616201

>>9615701
Your perspective is narrow, I don't think you realize what the people already in power are capable of... Their power is secure regardless of the currency. They're not going to let a little currency crash leave them in the mercy of farmers. Quit being ridiculous.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:35 No.9616105

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:35 No.9616105

Replies: >>9616119 >>9616288 >>9616368

>>9615809
Oh shit. ANOTHER MASSIVE FLAW in the capitalistic system. It requires infinite growth using finite resources. That's why we always here fucking retards all over the mainstream constantly telling us countries with tens of millions of people are 'getting underpopulated'. This is fucking ludicrous! There's also the fact that capitalism causes us to be wasteful with our resources and damage the environment, since it's more expensive not to.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:36 No.9616119

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:36 No.9616119

>>9616105
*hear, excuse me

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:36 No.9616128

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:36 No.9616128

>>9615704
LMAO I didn't know hitler did that. Yes I'm saying pull a hitler. No wonder the german people were head over heels for that maniac.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:36 No.9616134

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:36 No.9616134

>>9616058
Hat is exactly what saving is: defering spending in the future. Furthermore, people with savings can also loan out their savings at a negotiated interest rate with debtors. An increase in savings also increases the supply of loanable funds, which would result in greater investment, and thus greater production in the long run. This is a good thing.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:36 No.9616136

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:36 No.9616136

Replies: >>9616564

>>9615890
>This is like going to a third worlder
Except it's not, because you're not a third worlder...

>Humans shouldn't be the fat, stupid pigapes they are now, toiling 9 hours a day 7 days a week
Ok so the solution to the first problem is don't stuff your face like a lardass
And you know there are some people who like their jobs right? And sometimes they might even get a wife and have kids, which they enjoy very much as well. There's also this thing called hobbies.

>What you fail to realize is that Mankind is meant to be glorious
>Capitalism simply cannot and will not EVER make Mankind great because it's sole motive is greed, not the betterment of the species
Except 'glory' is subjective, and the type of glory you think we all really want isn't what we actually want. If human beings weren't greedy, we wouldn't be capitalists. We need motivation to work, we want to know what's in it for us, and there's nothing wrong with that, and even still it ends up making great things.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:37 No.9616161

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:37 No.9616161

>>9616030
>They would have 2 choices, work for an established group or struggle barbarically.

No. Sure, there would be conflicts, but conflict always exists. What you fail to realize is that money would quickly lose it's value. Prices would sky-rocket to the point were you had to pay more for a product than it would be worth. That's the point where people would start trading commodities. When that happens, the "old rich" would be up shit creek without a paddle, since their only offer to someone is money, which isn't used anymore. It would literally be like you trying to bribe or pay someone with Monopoly money. At that point, even the most loyal mercenary will switch sides, as the "old rich" couldn't keep him fed anymore.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:39 No.9616201

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:39 No.9616201

>>9616096
>Their power is secure regardless of the currency

No. That's my whole point.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:39 No.9616204

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:39 No.9616204

Replies: >>9616318 >>9616326 >>9616547

>>9615817
>The free market model with a touch of liberalism has always been the answer, too bad it's met with so much resistance.
Because it's obviously retarded, moron. Capitalism is capitalism. When your motive is material gain the species comes second (if you're lucky). How does that make ANY fucking sense for any species that honestly expects to survive? Can you imagine if rats spent all their time hoarding only granite pebbles and neglected raising families or eating properly to "pursue their careers"?? Capitalism is a suicidal system for the species. Humans need to start being Human and stop being hoarders.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:39 No.9616215

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:39 No.9616215

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>>9615848
see
>>9615774


>>9615797
pic related

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:40 No.9616247

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:40 No.9616247

>>9615786
Funny I read something today, something that goes like "it's no coincidence our debt levels have grown with our GDP" . It's like we give out free monies to the elites for growing the GDP as a reward.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:41 No.9616262

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:41 No.9616262

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lel, no one even mentioned how petrodollars and growing industrialization in Semi-Peripheral countries, would cause rapid deflation of the currency. /pol/ confirmed for shit tier knowledge of economics.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:41 No.9616268

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:41 No.9616268

Replies: >>9616319 >>9616364

>>9615930
>Because not everyone is a retard.
Obviously you are. Here, let me make it simple. Which of these is more important?

A: The accumulation of wealth
B: The survival and advancement of the species we belong to

This is an A or B question. There are no other answers. Got it? And it's not hard.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:42 No.9616288

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:42 No.9616288

>>9616105
>It requires infinite growth using finite resources.

Resources will be changed before they run out. As soon as something becomes too costly to use, people look for alternatives. That why capitalism is so good for progress. It's all about getting the most bang for your buck.

By your logic, we would've run into problems back in the bronze age because we would sooner or later run out of bronze. This didn't happen because people figured out how to use iron to make a superior product. That's how it works.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:43 No.9616318

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:43 No.9616318

Replies: >>9616405

>>9616204
Good point bro. But you can rig capitalism to promote humanitarian causes. We are essentially rigged to meet the opposite ends at the moment. Cronyism is mostly at fault.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:43 No.9616319

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:43 No.9616319

Replies: >>9616681

>>9616268
>A: The accumulation of wealth
>B: The survival and advancement of the species we belong to
>species

Accumulation of wealth so your offspring can live well. Do you even biology?

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:43 No.9616326

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:43 No.9616326

Replies: >>9616489 >>9616751

>>9616204
Are you really this stupid? Capitalism benefits both people that participate, you are trading each other for things that you perceive to be of more value than what you currently have, no one loses.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:44 No.9616364

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:44 No.9616364

Replies: >>9616768 >>9617003

>>9616268
But capitalism does both of these things...
>who are scientists?
>what is the mars rover?
>what are books?
You're complaining a whole lot but not offering any solutions...
What would human beings be doing that is so star spangled awesome in your retarded universe? Would everyone have flowing blonde hair and bodies sculpted by Zeus himself? Would the sun be shining out of our asses?

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:44 No.9616368

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:44 No.9616368

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>>9616105
How does capitalism require infinite growth with finite resources? Capitalism is only an economic system defined by private property rights and unregulated markets. Private property exists so as to accommodate for scarcity. Private property, and therefore, capitalism, exist because of scarcity. Yet, despite scarcity, the human population was still able to grow several orders of magnitude over its original environmentally defined bounds because capitalism offers incentives to develop technologies that enable mankind to transcend its physical limitations.

That you would post that capitalism mandates ignoring scarcity demonstrates how little you know of capitalism and economics in general.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:45 No.9616385

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:45 No.9616385

Replies: >>9616426 >>9616539

>>9616215
I made both those comments.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:45 No.9616405

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:45 No.9616405

>>9616318
Excuse me this is not at all the point I was trying to convey. That point I mentioned was straight garbage words did no justice to my thought there.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:46 No.9616414

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:46 No.9616414

>>9615353
sigh

the whole point of this thread was to get your jollies off a deflationary spiral

go away

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:46 No.9616425

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:46 No.9616425

Replies: >>9616460 >>9616478 >>9616596

consider this
everyone is payed 500 a week by the government
everyone can afford to live
if you want luxuries you must into capitalism

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:46 No.9616426

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:46 No.9616426

>>9616385
Also, there should be an extra comma in the second one.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:48 No.9616460

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:48 No.9616460

>>9616425
>everyone is payed 500 a week by the government

That has to go hand in hand with a planned economy, otherwise prices would just rise and again normalize the system into haves and have-nots.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:48 No.9616478

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:48 No.9616478

>>9616425
Where will the money come from? Nice intellectual blank out.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:49 No.9616489

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:49 No.9616489

Replies: >>9616562 >>9616590

>>9616326
Don't forget that capitalism facilitates people being straight up assholes exploiting the "weighing machine" to exploit honest people making transactions in the future.

Generally capitalism isn't at fault, assholes are at fault. Protecting yourself from assholes is potentially destructive as being an asshole.

Just like communism wasn't at fault for the Russians failing at it, assholes were the ones at fault for that. Communism is a perfectly sound system as well, but liberal Capitalism is the best system by far.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:50 No.9616539

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:50 No.9616539

Replies: >>9616654

>>9616385
ha wow

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:51 No.9616547

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:51 No.9616547

>>9616204
i like how you know nothing of capitalism. As proven by America and Hong Kong. Capitalism creates some of the richest countries in the world. also if material comes second to self owership. the fruits of your labor come second to your own body. also capitalism is a natural voluntary system in which with lack of any coercive force, people collaborate and build better societies

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:51 No.9616562

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:51 No.9616562

Replies: >>9616668

>>9616489
>Communism is a perfectly sound system as well

No, it isn't. It fails right at the basics because humans have not evolved to live in a society of equals. Leave humans alone and they will always, always choose a leader.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:51 No.9616564

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:51 No.9616564

Replies: >>9616587 >>9616607 >>9616768

>>9616136
>Except it's not, because you're not a third worlder...
Irrelevant. It's only a matter of degree once the basic necessities of life are provided for. You can't see this because you're fat and sassy. You're content so you want the system that's done ok for your subhuman ass to continue because you lack the worth to imagine better. You're mundane.
>And you know there are some people who like their jobs right?
I love how you phrased that "some people like their jobs", because even you have to admit that most don't. Yeah, that's a good system, make the whole species, except for a minority of fortunate individuals whose interests just happen to allign with current market demands, completely miserable. Everyone should be doing work they enjoy and find satisfying. And there shouldn't be work that isn't doing good for the species.
>type of glory you think we all really want
I don't care what you want. It's clear what you want. You want to be stagnant and you don't care if the species joins you. I want to REPLACE you with people who care about the future of the species and its potential, rather than gratifying their sense organs like wild beasts.
>If human beings weren't greedy, we wouldn't be capitalists.
So stupid.
>If human beings didn't want to rape, we wouldn't be rapists
>If human beings didn't want to kill one another, we wouldn't be murderers
This is called a Naturalistic Fallacy, idiot. Just because something is natural, doesn't mean it's desirable.
>We need motivation to work
You mean like job-satisfaction? Or producing the things Mankind needs to survive, like food and technology? Got you covered. Of course, that takes a more high-minded sort to appreciate it.
>and even still it ends up making great things.
Name some and I'll tell you why you're not just wrong, but a troglodytic non-Human.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:52 No.9616587

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:52 No.9616587

>>9616564
Naturalism isn't a fallacy at all, you asspie.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:52 No.9616590

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:52 No.9616590

Replies: >>9616760

>>9616489
Asshole is the natural state of man, get a gun and protect yourself.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:52 No.9616596

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:52 No.9616596

>>9616425
Ha that's cute but nonsensical. Stick to liberalism.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:52 No.9616600

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:52 No.9616600

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>I've only been called a Jew once
>everyone is having a somewhat civil discussion
>not retarded race shit slinging
>not retarded conspiracy theories
>in my thread
Feels good.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:53 No.9616607

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:53 No.9616607

>>9616564
>If human beings didn't want to rape, we wouldn't be rapists
>If human beings didn't want to kill one another, we wouldn't be murderers

The vast majority of us are neither, so what's your point?

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:54 No.9616654

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:54 No.9616654

>>9616539
Work on your reading comprehension.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:55 No.9616668

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:55 No.9616668

Replies: >>9616853

>>9616562
They can choose a social leader in communism, they can choose economic leaders as well. How would that make it not communism?

If I were to create a fascist machine that provided all the basics for society and turned said machine communist by nature how would that possibly fail? It wouldn't unless people deliberately ruined it.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:55 No.9616681

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:55 No.9616681

Replies: >>9616853

>>9616319
IDIOT. Good lord, are you retarded? Accumulation of wealth is not providing for your family. Providing for your family is providing for your family. Acquiring those things they need to survive is the SECONDARY concern. THEY are the primary? You don't see the difference, do you? You can't even conceive of it. Not only that, but it's a shitty sort of Human who's only concerned about his own family and not caring for what happens to the rest of the species. Do you even civilization? As I've said. You're all fucking cattle.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:57 No.9616737

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:57 No.9616737

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>>9615353
Thanks for answering my post OP, I think this whole discussion is a moot point we shouldn't be in this situation, but then again the hand that feeds is rigged. A self regulating currency is best in any godly (not Apotheosis) society, for example in the event of deflation the market price of the commodity would have to come down to meet demand, or the currency broken up into ever smaller dividends in a sense the economy would have to evolve to keep its clothes on. Pic related It is when the assimilation of the USA and USSR was agreed upon.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:58 No.9616751

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:58 No.9616751

Replies: >>9616821

>>9616326
>Capitalism benefits both people that participate
Retarded libertarian detected. Yes, I think we've all seen the lolbertarian's view of 'fair transactions'.
>you are trading each other for things that you perceive to be of more value than what you currently have, no one loses.
Or, you're trading what's more valuable you've got to get what you need to survive for another day/week/month and the other guy is exploiting you because he can.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:58 No.9616760

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:58 No.9616760

Replies: >>9616798 >>9616811 >>9616880

>>9616590
False, people are molded into assholes by a sick society.

The natural state of man is the state of a kid in a candy store.

Zero !lB7/.NfJz.
01/27/13(Sun)00:58 No.9616764

Zero !lB7/.NfJz. 01/27/13(Sun)00:58 No.9616764

>>9616368

>Yet, despite scarcity, the human population was still able to grow several orders of magnitude over its original environmentally defined bounds because capitalism offers incentives to develop technologies that enable mankind to transcend its physical limitations.

Thing's that aren't factored into this is demand, worker limitation, capped productivity, financial constraints and the need to produce growth at a rate of 3% every year to please stockholders.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:58 No.9616768

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:58 No.9616768

>>9616564
see this
>>9616364

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:59 No.9616775

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:59 No.9616775

>>9616600
shit's tight in here

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)00:59 No.9616798

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)00:59 No.9616798

>>9616760
kids are essentialy sociopaths

Zero !lB7/.NfJz.
01/27/13(Sun)01:00 No.9616811

Zero !lB7/.NfJz. 01/27/13(Sun)01:00 No.9616811

Replies: >>9616904 >>9616997

>>9616760

>False, people are molded into assholes by a sick society.

Wrong, perpetual suffering is the meaning of life, assholes are the symptom.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:00 No.9616819

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:00 No.9616819

>>9615420

I can't wait to sit there in my boot cut jeans and cowboy hat listening to techno I made on my own computer

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:00 No.9616821

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:00 No.9616821

Replies: >>9616929

>>9616751
>Retarded libertarian detected. Yes, I think we've all seen the lolbertarian's view of 'fair transactions'.
Then why would someone take part in the transaction if it didn't benefit them?

>Or, you're trading what's more valuable you've got to get what you need to survive for another day/week/month
BAWWWWW why do I have to work to live?

>and the other guy is exploiting you because he can.
Then go to another seller, faggot.

Go read some more Chomsky, asshat.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:01 No.9616853

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:01 No.9616853

Replies: >>9616947

>>9616668
Because communism has, by definition, no leaders. Everyone is equal.

>>9616681
>Accumulation of wealth is not providing for your family.
No.

>You don't see the difference, do you? You can't even conceive of it.
You're right, I don't. I don't conside the whole human species to be my family, and neither does anyone else except for retarded ultra-hippies.

>Not only that, but it's a shitty sort of Human who's only concerned about his own family and not caring for what happens to the rest of the species.
Exactly.

>Do you even civilization?
Sure. A civilization is nothing more than a very large tribe and defines itself by the differences to other civilizations: We are civilized, everyone else is a barbarian. In other words, civilization is the exact opposite of what you want, unless we manage to find intelligent non-human life.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:02 No.9616880

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:02 No.9616880

Replies: >>9616915

>>9616760
>False, people are molded into assholes by a sick society.

This what commies desperately force themselves to believe.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:03 No.9616904

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:03 No.9616904

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>>9616811
The meaning of life is growth, you seem like the asshole to me.

Get me my fucking scepter.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:04 No.9616915

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:04 No.9616915

Replies: >>9616987

>>9616880
Even in a perfect utopia there'd still be raging assholes. It's just natural for people.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:04 No.9616929

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:04 No.9616929

Replies: >>9617011

>>9616821
>"Then why would someone take part in the transaction if it didn't benefit them? '"

Because someone made a plan to exploit them sucka.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:05 No.9616947

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:05 No.9616947

>>9616853
someone can lead by choice with no additional material compensation

Zero !lB7/.NfJz.
01/27/13(Sun)01:05 No.9616948

Zero !lB7/.NfJz. 01/27/13(Sun)01:05 No.9616948

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>>9616904

>The meaning of life is growth,

You looked around lately?

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:05 No.9616966

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:05 No.9616966

Replies: >>9617080

>>9616948
yea you see any fucking trees in your life you dipshit ?

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:06 No.9616987

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:06 No.9616987

>>9616915
Natural for some people. Some people just like getting choked to death over and over again in hell by righteous peoples fat dicks.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:06 No.9616997

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:06 No.9616997

Replies: >>9617106

>>9616904
>>9616811
>>9616948
There is no meaning of life. Life is life and we assign our own meanings to our lives. That's it.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:06 No.9617003

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:06 No.9617003

>>9616364
>who are scientists?
Thanks for proving my point. And what research are we engaged in? The research tha gets the cash. And, don't forget that much research receives public funding. If it were ALL for-profit, my god our tech would be shit. We'd have iPhones that could get reception from Alpha-Centauri, but not much of importance. You assholes keep forgetting that Capitalism/free-markets are democracy of supply and demand. You NEVER put any power in the hands of the masses.
>what is the mars rover?
The thing we're using instead of the Mars ferry.
>what are books?
Something which are independant of capitalism, you idiot.
>You're complaining a whole lot but not offering any solutions...
Oh, I have solutions, but they're long and involved. One, they're be no currency. People would do what they were qualified for, loved and the species needed. People with no skills or interests would be general labor. Children would be tested at a young age for aptitude and the government would make concerted effort to match people to their work. Hours would be short and mostly voluntary because technolgies for automation WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN USING DECADES AGO would be prevalent.
>What would human beings be doing that is so star spangled awesome in your retarded universe?
How about colonizing other heavenly bodies? Or putting more effort into their art? My god, do you cretins even see how fucking UGLY the modern world is compared to how the ancients adorned their civilizations? Fucking look at us! Concrete and glass. Brown and gray. Blue jeans and t-shirts. Fuck.
>Would everyone have flowing blonde hair and bodies sculpted by Zeus himself?
Not only blond, but yes, there would be a breeding program and children would no longer be treated as their parents' property but as actual living human beings.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:07 No.9617011

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:07 No.9617011

>>9616929
Transactions don't have fine print, if the amount you are paying is more than what you perceive something to be worth you don't buy it.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:07 No.9617013

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:07 No.9617013

>>9616948
The meaning of life is finding a delicious bittanian boy to settle down with.

Zero !lB7/.NfJz.
01/27/13(Sun)01:10 No.9617080

Zero !lB7/.NfJz. 01/27/13(Sun)01:10 No.9617080

>>9616966

>yea you see any fucking trees in your life you dipshit ?
>that implication they won't be cut down by a timber mill in the near future that will cry poor to get out of planting more.

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:11 No.9617099

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:11 No.9617099

>>9616368
>How does capitalism require infinite growth with finite resources?
You're so stupid you're not worthy of a response, but I am a merciful god, at times and this should be known. Humans are not stopping their breeding any time soon. There are finite resources on the planet. Because of how the labor pool works and how capitalism works it always needs a fresh and ever-increasing supply of new workers. Hence all the illegal/legal immigration into White countries, hence all the raping of our homeworld's ecosystems. This is basic shit, people.
>Everything else
Sophistry

Anonymous
01/27/13(Sun)01:11 No.9617106

Anonymous 01/27/13(Sun)01:11 No.9617106

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>>9616997
You can't deny that the meaning of life isn't growth, if there's no growth there's no life. Replace growth with another word? There isn't another word to replace it with. My meaning of life is best, get over it. I solved the biggest question of the ages. Deal with it.

You trolls are a bunch of annoying pieces of shit you know that?

No real person likes a contra.