Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)12:17 No.10458420

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)12:17 No.10458420

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You can go back to being a hunter-gather.
Enjoy watching your children die, and being toothless by age thirty.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)12:19 No.10458462

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)12:19 No.10458462

Replies: >>10459953

Feel free to go live in the wilderness and scavenge for berries.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)12:28 No.10458663

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)12:28 No.10458663

Replies: >>10458813 >>10459953 >>10461150 >>10467132

>neo ludditism/anarcho primitivism
Listen.
We hae come this far borne on the ingenuity and intrepidness of countless men who desired a better world. Would you give up thousands of years of advancement and a literal universe of possibilities for the chance to throw rocks at some deer? We used technology to solve our problems before -- our new problems are just a little bigger.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)12:30 No.10458708

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)12:30 No.10458708

>>10455548 (OP)
>Daily reminder that Descartes's ambition in striking out a new science was to become 'masters and possessors' of nature (Discourse on Method; look it up, niggers)


inb4 this turns into a Thorium thread

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)12:34 No.10458781

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)12:34 No.10458781

>>10455548 (OP)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaDOkMEK4uk

There you go sir

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)12:35 No.10458813

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)12:35 No.10458813

>>10458663
Our problems are actually much smaller today in comparison to back then.

I mean if somebody died of germs back then you didn't know it. Nobody knew why people died, they just did. Now, at least, we have the ability to not only see how somebody died we can also see when somebody died.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)12:40 No.10458930

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)12:40 No.10458930

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>>10455548 (OP)
Fuck your connection with nature.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)12:46 No.10459051

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)12:46 No.10459051

>>10458930
>manlyTears.jpg

I love that picture and every time I see it my mood lifts. Only to have me remember how shitty the movie was.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)12:54 No.10459218

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)12:54 No.10459218

Replies: >>10459953

Then join a fucking commune.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)12:56 No.10459258

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)12:56 No.10459258

Replies: >>10461573

You cannot escape, you were born to be a slave.

This is the role the universe chose for you.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)12:57 No.10459283

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)12:57 No.10459283

Replies: >>10459953

>>10455548 (OP)
>instead of living in a harmonious symbiotic relationship with the universe as people did in pre-history or something
Wrong. So very wrong logically. If this is even remotely true, why did we start to live un-harmoniously?

Humans have always consumed and conquered.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)13:28 No.10459953

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)13:28 No.10459953

Replies: >>10459993 >>10460602

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>>10458420
>>10458462
>>10458663
>>10459283
>>10458930
>>10459218
Wow, Mother Culture IDF sure is active ITT.

>>10455548 (OP)
I didn't save the thread you're talking about OP, but I did save the link to the book from which that one verbose anon was drawing his arguments from:

http://ansonchi.webng.com/Ishmael_by_Daniel_Quinn.pdf

Just read what Ishmael has to say, and then you can all decide for yourselves whether the Takers or the Leavers had the right idea.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)13:30 No.10459993

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)13:30 No.10459993

Replies: >>10468922 >>10469477 >>10470565

>>10459953
Connection with nature is bullshit, we have to bend or beat nature to our will.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)13:37 No.10460168

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)13:37 No.10460168

>>10458930

>Party till the sun burns out

sounds epic

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)13:54 No.10460602

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)13:54 No.10460602

>>10459953
>caused you to lust for what was never yours
>concept of ownership huehuehue

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)14:17 No.10461150

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)14:17 No.10461150

Replies: >>10461181 >>10464693

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>>10458663
Is it my imagination, or do our problems keep getting "just a little bigger" every time we patch the current bunch?

>insert boiling pot & frog analogy here

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)14:18 No.10461181

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)14:18 No.10461181

Replies: >>10461326

>>10461150

Greater power, greater responsability

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)14:23 No.10461326

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)14:23 No.10461326

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>>10461181
And the white man's burden grows until his spirit is crushed under the weight of it.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)14:33 No.10461573

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)14:33 No.10461573

Replies: >>10464410

>>10459258
>This is the role your culture chose for you.
FTFY

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)14:35 No.10461618

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)14:35 No.10461618

Replies: >>10462747

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screw you and your heresy

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)15:20 No.10462747

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)15:20 No.10462747

Replies: >>10463479 >>10464056 >>10470063

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>>10461618
You sound awfully certain that a civilization built on this premise -- "The world belongs to us, and we were meant to conquer and rule it" -- is destined to extend its empire into the stars. Your science fiction mythology presents this as an inevitable outcome.

But if this is true, then why haven't we seen any evidence that other alien civilizations that have done this? Given the extremely high number of Earth-like planets that are theorized to exist in the universe and the billions of years over which life could have developed upon them, you would think that at least one or two of those would have developed the same mythological outlook that we did -- "The world belongs to us, and we were meant to conquer and rule it" -- would have fulfilled that destiny on their homeworld and launched itself into space to continue their exponential growth and conquest. Why hasn't the Earth been conquered or contacted by such a species yet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)15:48 No.10463479

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)15:48 No.10463479

>>10462747

I have long thought of this. The three most common responses are:

>1. Interplanetary/intergalactic travel is impossible, therefore we will never contact other sentient races
>2. No advanced species can/has yet to advance far enough to master such technology before destroying themselves (for example, via nuclear war)
>3. Life is much more rare than we'd like to think, and we're all that is/shall be when it comes to advanced species.


I've been thinking of another theory, somewhat based on 3 but not so definite. This, too, is quite "science fiction mythology" influenced, but it;s fun to think about. It goes something like this:

We are among the first or possibly the first species to evolve as much as we have. Perhaps it takes a bit longer than we imagine for life as we know it to evolve to the point we have.

I think of all the science fiction we have invented, aliens from other worlds visiting our planet to either enslave or enlighten us as a planet and as a species. This idea, though, is decidedly anthropocentric for obvious reasons. But who's to say it's as far-fetched as we think? If we are to believe there is any validity to the Drake Equation, there ARE other worlds with life, possible advanced life.

Perhaps these dreams and stories of benevolent/malevolent sky-beings are as prophetic as we imagine, but the roles are reversed. Perhaps, as the first beings in our galaxy (maybe universe), it is WE who will descend from the heavens to enlighten or enslave another's homeworld. We will be the aliens, we are the first to question the universe.


tl:dr homo sapiens are the first or among the first beings to become sentient and master technology. Societies take longer to evolve than we think, and it is us who will visit other worlds, not the other way around.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)16:01 No.10463866

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)16:01 No.10463866

There's a reason we stopped doing that shit. It actually sucks being at the mercy of nature and its whims, and any idea we have about being peaceful and in touch with nature is likely so far off base that the cavemen and savages would laugh at us if they heard us describing their lives to them.

Even if these fabled civilizations did/could exist, they would be quickly run over by another civilization that became interested in taking their shit. Violence is a perfectly viable option when approaching a problem or desire, and at least a certain amount of the population will choose that route if given the choice/it becomes necessary. It's a violent existence we live, and it's that sort of life that we need to prepare for. Hippy types would probably say that a small segment of the population ruins it for everyone, but I'd say most people like violence far more than they realize, on a primal level. We wouldn't have the rules and regulations in the social contract if we didn't.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)16:08 No.10464056

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)16:08 No.10464056

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>>10462747

Many in the scientific community are starting to think we may be first on the scene.

If that is the case we are in a very strong position. Humanity may be the one conquer the galaxy and its primitive life.

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/02/humans-may-be-the-most-advanced-species-in-the-universe-dimitar-sasselov-of-harvard-smithsonian-cent.html

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)16:21 No.10464410

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)16:21 No.10464410

Replies: >>10466713

>>10461573

Nope. Even without a culture you must work and struggle to survive.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)16:29 No.10464693

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)16:29 No.10464693

Replies: >>10467333

>>10461150

The "noble savage myth" I see.

Truth is that native americans waged non-stop eternal war among eachother. Tribe vs. Tribe. The VAST majority of men were killed by other men. It was a brutal life.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)17:03 No.10465593

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)17:03 No.10465593

Replies: >>10466533 >>10471780 >>10472437

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Everyone in this thread should read the Unabomber's manifesto: http://www.anus.com/zine/db/unabomber/manifesto/

>1. The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in "advanced" countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in "advanced" countries.

>2. The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. Furthermore, if the system survives, the consequences will be inevitable: There is no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)17:34 No.10466533

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)17:34 No.10466533

Replies: >>10467486

>>10465593

That shits all been happening for thousands of years. We've always fought, killed, exploited, and made things shitty, that's just what we are. But it's hard for a large population of people to have dignity and autonomy when a huge majority of its citizens are forced to be farmers so they can live through the winter, which was the case for pretty much the entire world in the pre-industrial age. Conflict has gotten us where we are today, both against the outside world and ourselves. We fought those battles because we wanted something better than what we had before, and it worked. Many were sacrificed in that pursuit, but that is the nature of the beast. If you want dignity and autonomy, you will have to fight for it regardless of your environment, and in truth that pursuit is a hell of a lot easier now than it was before the 1700's.

tl;dr: There never were any good old days. Ever.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)17:39 No.10466713

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)17:39 No.10466713

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>>10464410
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_affluent_society

My own take on it:
Some forms of work are more pleasant and come more naturally to us than others.

Go browse through the catalogs of /v/ and /vg/ and pay attention to the sorts of games that are most popular there. Look for commonalities among them, and tell me what you notice.

Here's what I've noticed: the most popular types of games task the player with exploring, hunting and foraging for resources within their virtual environments. Minecraft, Zelda, FPSs, GTA, roguelikes, Elder Scrolls titles... you see these gameplay elements present in all adventure games. Why do you suppose that is?

I propose that it's because they tickle our hunter/gatherer brain in a way that subsistence activities in modern society just don't fully engage anymore. And so we slave away at some office desk or big-box retailer or factory assembly line all day just for the privilege of returning to the sequestration of our little boxes on the hillside where we can spend a few hours pretending to hunt and gather as a form of play.

Our "primitive" cousins just skip straight to the hunting and gathering each day. It is work, true, but it is work that they (and we) evolved to find agreeable and satisfying.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)17:51 No.10467132

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)17:51 No.10467132

>>10458663

While I will admit that I love my computer, nature is also important to me; and the Quaritch defense is also juvenile and unimpressive, putting it simply. It's the type of attitude that I've often seen expressed here by testosterone poisoned, white supremacist meatheads who don't really know anything other than fear and anger.

Unfortunately the graphic I was going to post, is already in this thread, lol.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)17:57 No.10467333

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)17:57 No.10467333

>>10464693

It isn't completely a myth. Yes, occasionally contemporary NAs (at least online) can be annoyingly smug individuals, but they have a genuine point, and they know it.

They did live with a far higher degree of equilibrium than whites have for a very long time. No, they weren't perfect; nobody ever is. They did have something, however, that would have allowed them to survive indefinitely, if they had been left alone.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:02 No.10467486

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:02 No.10467486

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>>10466533
You, like most members of our culture, have fallen prey to what Quinn calls "The Great Forgetting." You look at the people around you, and you study the history of your own civilization over the past 10,000 years, and you come to the conclusion that this is way its always been and the only way it could ever be.

Try zooming out a little more. If you look at what anthropologists have learned about the past 200,000 years of human existence instead of just what historians know about the past 10,000, a very different picture of humanity emerges.

We do not represent all of humanity. We are the product of a singular culture with a singular worldview that only emerged fairly recently within the lifespan of our species.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:17 No.10467943

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:17 No.10467943

Replies: >>10468011

Bump. This thread is a diamond in the rough; a jewel in the midst of a fetid sea of white supremacist shitposting. It deserves to survive.

Level 87 Racist
02/20/13(Wed)18:21 No.10468011

Level 87 Racist 02/20/13(Wed)18:21 No.10468011

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>>10467943
Get baked in an oven you shit eating nigger.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:23 No.10468081

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:23 No.10468081

I've also started reading Ishmael. It seems very interesting.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:25 No.10468144

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:25 No.10468144

>>10468011

Someone hasn't had their daily raw meat yet this morning.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:25 No.10468152

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:25 No.10468152

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>>10455548 (OP)

Environmental scientist here OP
We have never once been in tune with nature OP. never!

The ecosystem is a continual on going violent arms race, which we fight not by cultured penicillin so much but by extracting defended from bacteria found on fucking cave walls!
Nature is a violent all out warfare scenario of no holds barred any trick in the book killing!
As humans we don't even come close to its level of cruelty.

This is why we have to take care of the benefits of the ecosystem which support us! Because 99.99% of shit out there actually is trying to kill us.

So take your eastern philosophy cunt shit romance and just fuck off!
Grow up!

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:27 No.10468218

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:27 No.10468218

Replies: >>10468308 >>10468410

>>10468152

>So take your eastern philosophy cunt shit romance and just fuck off!

This is the voice of scientific objectivity, in case anyone is listening.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:30 No.10468308

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:30 No.10468308

Replies: >>10468367 >>10468406

>>10468218
Fuck objectivity.
You are decidedly ignorant.
You deserve disgust not respect.
Go make your decisions from some third world brat who sat under a fucking tree for decades.

Fucking idiot.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:31 No.10468367

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:31 No.10468367

>>10468308

>Fuck objectivity.

At least you're honest. That is something I can respect.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:32 No.10468406

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:32 No.10468406

>>10468308

I do also still feel that this thread deserves to be kept going. I've seen far less interesting threads end up with 400 posts.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:33 No.10468410

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:33 No.10468410

Replies: >>10468488

>>10468218
Oh, you're butthurt someone doesn't like the things you do so rather than listen to points you change the focus to semantics.
How quaint.
You are so in touch with nature and the universes energies.
Don't listen to the nasty man.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:35 No.10468488

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:35 No.10468488

Replies: >>10468524

>>10468410

>Oh, you're butthurt someone doesn't like the things you do so rather than listen to points you change the focus to semantics.

I apologise, but with the amount of semi-literate, rage-filled profanity that was flying around, it was just too tempting.

I mean seriously; does a barrage of expletives which would make Popeye ashamed, honestly pass for rational argument in the minds of you people?

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:36 No.10468524

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:36 No.10468524

Replies: >>10468625

>>10468488
What do you mean YOU PEOPLE faggot?

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:37 No.10468529

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:37 No.10468529

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>>10468152
>The ecosystem is a continual on going violent arms race, which we fight not by cultured penicillin so much but by extracting defended from bacteria found on fucking cave walls!
>which we fight not by cultured penicillin so much but by extracting defended from bacteria found on fucking cave walls!
>by extracting defended from bacteria

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:38 No.10468581

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:38 No.10468581

>>10468529
I'm the Anon who wrote that. Yes it's meant to be extracting defenses.
Ignore me I suck dick

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:40 No.10468625

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:40 No.10468625

Replies: >>10468679

>>10468524

Do you spend the entirety of your life filled with rage to this degree, or is it only while you're on 4chan? To a degree I understand; sometimes the rage here is contagious, and I have to restrain myself as well.

Calm down though; go and smoke a bowl or something. Extreme anger is not good for your health.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:41 No.10468679

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:41 No.10468679

Replies: >>10468710 >>10469030

>>10468625
FUCK YOU SHITCUNT!!!!!!!!
I'll fucking glass ya cunt!

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:42 No.10468710

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:42 No.10468710

>>10468679
Go to bed billy.
Tomorrow is a school day

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:44 No.10468764

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:44 No.10468764

Replies: >>10469006

>>10458930
The psychopath's anthem.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:49 No.10468922

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:49 No.10468922

Replies: >>10469018

>>10459993
>Connection with nature is bullshit
>we just need nature for everything and are a part of it

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:52 No.10469006

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:52 No.10469006

>>10468764

Agreed. As suicidally batshit crazy as Quaritch might have been, however, he was also a rich source of lulz.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:52 No.10469018

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:52 No.10469018

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>>10468922
Well said my tribesman.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:52 No.10469030

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:52 No.10469030

Replies: >>10469115

>>10468679

>I'll fucking glass ya cunt!

I think it's trying to communicate. Can someone help me translate what it is saying?

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:55 No.10469115

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:55 No.10469115

Replies: >>10469171

>>10469030
GLASS, when used as a verb, indicates the use of high-yield energy weapons or nuclear weapons to turn the target and the ground beneath it into molten radioactive glass.

Or at least that's the definition I always gleaned from similar contexts.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:55 No.10469119

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:55 No.10469119

Replies: >>10469330 >>10469688

>>10467486

If these old cultural practices couldn't survive contact with ours, why do they matter?

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:57 No.10469171

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:57 No.10469171

>>10469115

Ah. Thank you for the clarification. My own theory was that that was a reference to a broken glass bottle; as in, stabbing someone with it. But either interpretation probably works.

Interesting people, these Stormfronters. They apparently view profanity on a scale I've scarcely encountered before, as a favourite form of communication.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)18:58 No.10469204

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)18:58 No.10469204

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Humanity, Fuck Yeah! thread?
Humanity, Fuck Yeah! thread.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:02 No.10469330

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:02 No.10469330

Replies: >>10469454 >>10470074

>>10469119
>If these old cultural practices couldn't survive contact with ours
Apparently they did.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:02 No.10469339

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:02 No.10469339

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>>10469204

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:03 No.10469357

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:03 No.10469357

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>>10469204

Intriguing.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:06 No.10469454

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:06 No.10469454

Replies: >>10469623

>>10469330

Yep. Most people don't acknowledge that.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:07 No.10469477

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:07 No.10469477

Replies: >>10469484

>>10459993

Are you stupid?

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:07 No.10469484

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:07 No.10469484

>>10469477

Yes.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:09 No.10469536

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:09 No.10469536

Replies: >>10469668

Of course we never were connected to nature, reality is a social construct which we created for ourselves to live in it.
We will never understand nature, we will never be part of nature, we will never be one with nature.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:12 No.10469623

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:12 No.10469623

>>10469454
But that doesn't mean that they didn't survive, as evidenced by people still doing it.

The lack of logic in this thread is disturbing.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:12 No.10469642

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:12 No.10469642

Replies: >>10472437

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ITT: People who haven't read Kaczynski

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:13 No.10469668

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:13 No.10469668

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>>10469536
>reality is a social construct

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:14 No.10469688

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:14 No.10469688

Replies: >>10469848 >>10470074 >>10470237

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>>10469119
Some of them DO continue to survive to this very day. Many remote tribes in the Amazon rainforest, the highlands of Papua New Guinea, and the Kalahari Desert of southern Africa (among other places) continue to live on as they have been quite content to live for many thousands of years now.

And it's in the best interest of our species to allow them to live on in this way. Think of them as an insurance policy for humanity: if (or should I say when) THE HAPPENING causes our own civilization to collapse like a house of cards, at least these cultures will carry the legacy of our species forward -- provided we don't completely fuck the biosphere on our way out.

Pic related as the one of the very few charities I'd give money to.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:14 No.10469701

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:14 No.10469701

>>10469668
And yet, Descartes would agree.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:16 No.10469784

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:16 No.10469784

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>About to say "read ishmael by daniel quinn"
>ctrl+f "ishmael"
>3 results
>mah nigga.jpg

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:19 No.10469848

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:19 No.10469848

>>10469688
>Pic related as the one of the very few charities I'd give money to.

I was giving them money for a while. I should probably start again.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:21 No.10469898

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:21 No.10469898

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>>10469204

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:22 No.10469935

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:22 No.10469935

Replies: >>10470127

>>10469204
/r/ing the one were the aliens loose the war and humanity rebuilds

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:24 No.10469986

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:24 No.10469986

Replies: >>10476491

>>10469898

The sad part is that people think this is something to be proud of.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:28 No.10470063

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:28 No.10470063

>>10462747

in 1892 and 1893, Nikola Tesla was the first person to say "hey, maybe we could use radios to communicate." On christmas eve in 1906, the first radio broadcast happened. Sure, we've had telescopes for hundreds of years, but nothing close to what we'd need to see to peer deep into space and the universe until recently. Given the technology that we have, and how long we've had it, that's like filling a water bottle with ocean water, and looking at it for 10 seconds to say "welp, I guess there isn't any life in the ocean"

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:28 No.10470074

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:28 No.10470074

Replies: >>10470112

>>10469330
>>10469688

They're only still alive because they don't have something we (the developed world) want. Imagine what would happen those tribes if, say, we found oil where they live in Africa, or the lumber industry starts encroaching on tribal territory in the Amazon (If it's not well underway already)? What's going to happen to those people? It's nice to see pockets of communities live like that, but they only exist because the people that outpaced them in conflict and technology have bigger fish to fry. I wouldn't hold them up as an example of what we should live up to when these sorts of cultures are being systematically eliminated by us, as has been the case for thousands and thousands of years.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:29 No.10470095

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:29 No.10470095

Replies: >>10470141 >>10470405

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Yeah would be sweet to live in the amazon bangin hot latinas all day and doing psychedelics whenever you want. Theres people who still live like that; worked with a girl from Venezuela and she said theres tribes down there that live naked and do nothing but smoke weed and fuck all day. I shit you not!

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:29 No.10470112

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:29 No.10470112

Replies: >>10470621

>>10470074

Again with the Quaritch Defense.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:29 No.10470127

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:29 No.10470127

Replies: >>10470144

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>>10469935
I'll just dump my folder

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:30 No.10470141

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:30 No.10470141

>>10470095

I believe it.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:30 No.10470144

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:30 No.10470144

Replies: >>10470171

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>>10470127

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:31 No.10470171

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:31 No.10470171

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>>10470144

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:31 No.10470183

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:31 No.10470183

Replies: >>10470198 >>10470272

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>>10470171

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:32 No.10470195

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:32 No.10470195

Replies: >>10470233

Bullshit, everything humanity has achieved has been in defiance of the chaos of nature.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:32 No.10470198

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:32 No.10470198

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>>10470183

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:33 No.10470233

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:33 No.10470233

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>>10470195
Strength through power, my brother.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:33 No.10470237

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:33 No.10470237

>>10469688
You don't understand how the biosphere and extinction cascade events work do you?

Anyway 1/10 for making me snicker derisively.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:34 No.10470257

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:34 No.10470257

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>>10470233

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:34 No.10470272

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:34 No.10470272

>>10470183

Here comes the shitposting. The attempt to shut it down.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:34 No.10470273

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:34 No.10470273

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>>10470257

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:36 No.10470330

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:36 No.10470330

Replies: >>10470411 >>10470428

>>10455548 (OP)
The vast majority of humans simply cannot deal with the modern world. It's evident by the number of children they continue to have and their utter ignorance to the workings of the technology they use every day.

We should segregate the species into two groups: technological and "native"

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:38 No.10470405

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:38 No.10470405

>>10470095
>dat T-Mac

One crazy nigga

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:39 No.10470411

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:39 No.10470411

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>>10470330

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:39 No.10470428

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:39 No.10470428

>>10470330
>Implying we haven't

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:41 No.10470478

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:41 No.10470478

>>10455548 (OP)


That comes from genesis 1:26, right out of the bible, where it says for man to rule all the land and animals

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:44 No.10470565

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:44 No.10470565

>>10459993
says a corporate slave

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:46 No.10470621

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:46 No.10470621

Replies: >>10470704 >>10471234

>>10470112

What of it? Sure they might be onto something good if they lived in a vacuum and didn't have to deal with the world at large, but they do. Lots of things work well when they're in a vacuum and can exempt themselves from many concerns, but that is not the world we live in. Especially now that the conflict machine has had time to entrench itself and become largely insurmountable by any human force. Putting yourself at the mercy of those willing to take from you is as foolish now as it was back then.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:49 No.10470704

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:49 No.10470704

Replies: >>10470826 >>10470995

>>10470621
Not who you replied to, but the psychopathic predator society should check itself. It is completely unsustainable. Once it runs out of victims/resources, it will collapse and its denizens, unable to live in harmony with nature will perish and self-destruct. The "primitives" will be able to weather the storm much better.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:53 No.10470826

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:53 No.10470826

>>10470704
Actually no.
The level of devastation you're talking will take everything down with it.
Small things like tetanus will kill off small remaining groups very quickly.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)19:59 No.10470995

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)19:59 No.10470995

Replies: >>10471176

>>10470704

It largely depends on what level of technology we get to before any doomsday scenarios happen. Regardless, even if it does happen, the descendents of those tribesman will pick up where we left off in time, just like those that came before them. Violence and conflict is going to be a viable option for many people in any population, and that shapes society far more than anything else.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)20:05 No.10471176

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)20:05 No.10471176

>>10470995
No.
Global living has opened up so many pandora's boxes of pathogens that cannot be reversed they're out there now. Evolving.
The old days of living in a village in a jungle or an island are GONE!
When vaccine stocks disappear things like smallpox, polio, even just old fashioned genetic myopia will have such a high chance if killing you.
All this is just bullshit. We've gotten to a point with technology and dispersal now there's no winding the clock back.
We survive from our numbers and to interfere with it is a zero sum game.

Anything else is fantasy.
Deal with it

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)20:08 No.10471234

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)20:08 No.10471234

>>10470621
>Sure they might be onto something good if they lived in a vacuum and didn't have to deal with the world at large, but they do.

This sentence could just as easily describe the history of our own civilization. We've deluded ourselves into thinking that mankind is a separate class of being that can somehow exist independently of the natural world even as we consume it to fuel our growth.

I'm placing my bets on the tribes. They've got a much longer record of success than we do -- our tribal ancestors have already weathered plenty of climate changes and come out smelling like roses. We wank over fantasies of conquering space after merely landing on the moon a few times and launching a few probes farther out. But those wild motherfuckers have already conquered TIME.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)20:09 No.10471279

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)20:09 No.10471279

Replies: >>10471477

>>10458420
I wonder how many times people have looked at her pussy in amazement with it's bright pink lips

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)20:16 No.10471477

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)20:16 No.10471477

>>10471279

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)20:09 No.10471279
>>10458420
I wonder how many times people have raped her pussy in amazement with it's bright pink lips.

Ftfy
It is Africa afterall

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)20:28 No.10471780

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)20:28 No.10471780

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>>10465593

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)20:33 No.10471924

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)20:33 No.10471924

Replies: >>10474124

Funny someone would mention toothlessness.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2013/02/18/3691558.htm

>Mesolithic hunter-gatherers living on a meat-dominated, grain-free diet had much healthier mouths that we have today, with almost no cavities and gum disease-associated bacteria, a genetic study of ancient dental plaque has revealed.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)20:42 No.10472162

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)20:42 No.10472162

>>10455548 (OP)

OP - read, or a least look up, Black Mass: Apocalyptic Religion and the Death of Utopia by Brit Philosopher John Gray - basically a critique of the enlightenment and the idea of human progress.

"Our conventional view of history is wrong. It is founded on a pernicious myth of an achievable utopia that in the last century alone caused the murder of tens of millions."

"In Black Mass John Gray tears down the religious, political and secular beliefs that we insist are fundamental to the human project ... and shows us how a misplaced faith in our ability to improve the world has actually made it far worse."

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)20:46 No.10472276

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)20:46 No.10472276

People are depressed, anxious, restless, angry, afraid... because they don't have enough stuff, enough stimulation. People are always looking for a greater fix, they think they need more, and all these negative emotions happen when they don't get it.

We lost our ability to calm down and smell the roses, to see beauty in the simplicity of the trees and the clouds, to slow down, to appreciate life.

Possibly related: credits of Revolver, talking about our Ego being our greatest enemy, you can find the movie on Netflix.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOEF1aOCLaE

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)20:53 No.10472437

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)20:53 No.10472437

Replies: >>10476941

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>>10465593
>>10469642
Ted Kacynski < Daniel Quinn

Presentation matters, people -- and Quinn has packaged his argument against agro-industrial civilization in a much more polished and digestible way. His arguments are easier to follow. He doesn't just rail against the current system -- he offers a more positive worldview that could replace the current one, which is a prerequisite to any successful revolution.

The Unabomber, meanwhile, only succeeding in shocking a relative few people into reading his rambling manifesto while providing a convenient terrorist scapegoat for the media to rally many many more of the peasants against. He violated his own rule -- don't let the powers-that-be frame the conflict as one where the revolutionaries are taking aim at the general population.

TL;DR Many more people have been red-pilled by Quinn's novels than will ever be persuaded by the Unabomber Manifesto. Good PR is everything.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)21:54 No.10474124

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)21:54 No.10474124

>>10471924
The last thing Mother Culture wants anybody to think is that life outside of our civilization could have ever been as good or in some ways even better than what we have now. Because that's when shit like the Roanoke Colony incident starts happening.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roanoke_Colony

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:23 No.10474981

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:23 No.10474981

toasting in an epic bread

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)22:58 No.10475888

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)22:58 No.10475888

bumping over a sea of shit

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:13 No.10476309

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:13 No.10476309

Replies: >>10476465

>>10455548 (OP)
Yeah lets increase infant mortality per woman to multiples of whole numbers

lets decrease average age of death to 20 (adjusted to remove infant mortality numbers)

lets make sure to forget that we need to work all day just to make clothes shelter and food, and if we are lucky, in the warmer seasons, we can have a few hours of fun a few days a wek


the noble savage has never existed

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:19 No.10476465

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:19 No.10476465

>>10476309
[citation needed]

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:19 No.10476473

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:19 No.10476473

>>10469204
this version has been modified to make humanity into some sort of robotic things by the time the thing hit

the original was not so dystopic

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:20 No.10476491

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:20 No.10476491

>>10469986
fuck you beta faggot
>muh dick

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:30 No.10476752

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:30 No.10476752

Replies: >>10476863

If you want to live primitively just burn your clothes and go live in the amazon with the other niggers.

Oh wait, all this shit is a fantasy which you would actually give up the second you got hungry or cold.

If you really believe that central heating is destroying your authentic "humanity" then feel free to turn it off and build a fire.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:33 No.10476863

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:33 No.10476863

>>10476752
FUk yeah
Technology prevails brother!

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:35 No.10476931

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:35 No.10476931

what you fags seem to not understand is the fact we are at a peak with our technology to survive and live comfortable lives. comfortable enough SRS spends all day shit storming this board. like an above anon said, zoom out. see the big fucking picture fags.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:35 No.10476941

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:35 No.10476941

Replies: >>10477512

>>10472437
Do you suggest any material?

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:36 No.10476969

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:36 No.10476969

Replies: >>10477462

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3TNDn4SH2E

Will restart and continue this thread momentarily

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:51 No.10477462

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:51 No.10477462

Replies: >>10477818

>>10476969
We're only at 125 posts, dildo.

Anonymous
02/20/13(Wed)23:52 No.10477512

Anonymous 02/20/13(Wed)23:52 No.10477512

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>>10476941
Start with Ishmael. Another anon posted a link to it above, but I'll repost it below for convenience. That's his most famous work, and the one in which his lays out his main thesis about how the world got to be as fucked up as it is today.

If you like Ishmael, then follow it up with the sidequels My Ishmael and The Story of B. Each of those novels explore different facets of Ishmael's message with different students.

Then if you're still looking for more practical non-fiction advice after reading all that, check out Beyond Civilization.

Here's links to PDFs for all of those:

http://ansonchi.webng.com/Ishmael_by_Daniel_Quinn.pdf
http://cfahs-jonhubbard.wikispaces.com/file/view/7829413-Daniel-Quinn-My-Ishmael.pdf/203217062/7829413-Daniel-Quinn-My-Ishmael.pdf
http://newsfromthefront.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/daniel-quinn-the-story-of-b.pdf
http://newsfromthefront.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/daniel-quinn-beyond-civilization.pdf

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:00 No.10477818

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:00 No.10477818

>>10477462
The op post is shit, if you are op, fucking learn to OP.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:49 No.10479439

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:49 No.10479439

Replies: >>10479483

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>>10455548 (OP)
Eastern philosophy runs into a lot of the same pitfalls as Western philosophy, unfortunately -- especially where it can trace its roots to religion. Mainstream Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism all view the material world as something to be shunned, escaped from, and/or transcended. They teach that THIS life and THIS world are unimportant; they are merely testing grounds for entering heaven or achieving nirvana.

When anthropologists interview members of modern-day indigenous tribes about their spiritual beliefs, they generally don't find this attitude. They tend to hold great respect and reverence for their native landscape and the flora and fauna they share it with. They're not trying to escape to a more sacred plane of existence -- they're already living in it. In many cases, the spirits of their ancestors still inhabit it in one form or another, which isn't really all that silly if you think about it in terms of the carbon cycle.

You are now aware that the Garden of Eden was not a geographic location so much as a way of life. The mythical founders of our civilization were not exiled from the Garden -- they plowed it under.

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)00:50 No.10479483

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)00:50 No.10479483

Replies: >>10480419

>>10479439
the garden of eden is a literal world made by god
why dont you accept judeochristianity as truth?

Anonymous
02/21/13(Thu)01:23 No.10480419

Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)01:23 No.10480419

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>>10479483
I may find literary and metaphorical value in some of the Bible's parables, proverbs, myths and allegories (like the Garden of Eden), but the overall worldview is anathema to me. I've got no time for a religion that teaches that man is inherently sinful or wicked just because he doesn't make a perfect worker bee in the agricultural society that spawned this servile faith.

Christianity has been trying to make men better than they are -- better slaves, better subjects, better soldiers in the fight to conquer and subdue the world that God supposedly gave us dominion over. And I don't hold to that.

I aim to misbehave.