Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)13:39 No.9662722

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)13:39 No.9662722

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Try to do like the French master race tgv

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)13:48 No.9662938

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)13:48 No.9662938

>>9662644 (OP)
Bump.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)13:52 No.9663033

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)13:52 No.9663033

trains are bad for the environment
also, high speed rail wastes energy
it saves energy if you don't go at insane speeds

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)13:54 No.9663117

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)13:54 No.9663117

Money better spent elsewhere.

What % of the population are going to benefit from being able to travel between Birmingham and London 30 minutes faster than they can now, is that group of people worth £32bn (before overruns and overspends)?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:31 No.9664054

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:31 No.9664054

>>9662644 (OP)
Basically just Cameron giving land to someone. The train is just someone's excuse to own land.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:34 No.9664150

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:34 No.9664150

Replies: >>9664172 >>9664262

I'm not opposed to HS2. I'm opposed to extortionate ticket prices on the non-peasant high speed trains down south. I hate having to share standard trains with morons, louts and screaming disease carrying kids becaus ethe High Speed trains are getting too expensive

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:35 No.9664172

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:35 No.9664172

Replies: >>9664192 >>9664242

>>9664150
But a car then.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:35 No.9664186

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:35 No.9664186

It won't be ready until fucking 2033!!!

I bet in Qatar, UAE etc this type of shit goes up in a matter of weeks.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:35 No.9664192

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:35 No.9664192

>>9664172
*Buy.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:36 No.9664203

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:36 No.9664203

I think it's a waste of money. The Concorde proved that people wont pay more money to get somewhere quickly.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:37 No.9664242

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:37 No.9664242

Replies: >>9664350 >>9664357

>>9664172
Yeah no. Not driving for 3 hours both ways just to go to london

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:37 No.9664262

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:37 No.9664262

Replies: >>9664557

>>9664150
Privatisation wasn't done correctly, if anybody could run a service on any line, then we'd get cheaper fares.

But of course the Tories wanted to sell off monopolies to their mates. So a bidder gets control of a line or route and can charge whateverthefucktheywant for the next up to 15 years. They are literally divulged of any accountability to the market. Worse system than fucking nationalisation, even a true conservative would agree.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:40 No.9664350

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:40 No.9664350

>>9664242
Don't complain about the peasantry on public transport then, or go 1st class, cattle class isn't meant to be a luxury, just a method of moving cattle around to their jobs.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:41 No.9664357

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:41 No.9664357

Replies: >>9664387

>>9664242
Drive to a station in zone 6 and then get a tube/train from there.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:42 No.9664383

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:42 No.9664383

Replies: >>9664451 >>9665729

It's a waste of money. Speed/journey time isn't an issue, cost and capacity are.

Should've used the money to start renationalising the railways

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:42 No.9664387

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:42 No.9664387

Replies: >>9664428 >>9664465

>>9664357
Why should I waste fuel and pay congestion charges to do that?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:43 No.9664428

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:43 No.9664428

>>9664387
You have pay to a congestion charge to drive around suburbia like Hillingdon now?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:44 No.9664438

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:44 No.9664438

Replies: >>9664513

Waste of money. The Government shouldn't be wasting their money on Northland. Noone cares about them thick skin small brained upwards inflection speaking northerners. Just focus that money on the south where it belongs

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:44 No.9664451

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:44 No.9664451

Replies: >>9664504

>>9664383
>Should've used the money to start renationalising the railways

>implying the £32B wouldn't better spent on housing stock, paying off bankrupted hospitals PFI before saying never again, and then spending the rest on infrastructure like the severn barrage

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:45 No.9664465

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:45 No.9664465

>>9664387
Zone 6 isn't in the congestion zone is it?

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:46 No.9664504

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:46 No.9664504

>>9664451
*and nuclear power stations and science investment

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:46 No.9664513

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:46 No.9664513

Replies: >>9664664

>>9664438
The Tories are doing it for demographic reasons. Increase transport links to the southeast and you can override the northerners and midlanders sense of regionalism and distinctness that tends to naturally put them in opposition to the Tory Party and everything seen as the southern/London 'establishment'. Thus a barrier to people voting Tory will be removed.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:47 No.9664557

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:47 No.9664557

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>>9664262

The current rail franchise system isn't great, but bear in mind that British Railways did not make a profit after 1955. Trains were hideously slow and long delays a normality.

The network has improved vastly since then, with far better punctuality, and more, faster trains. Passenger numbers have been rising year on year for some time now.

While it's still not at the Japanese level of efficiency, it is far better than it has been for around a century. The rail network is nowhere near as bad as people like to say it is.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:50 No.9664664

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:50 No.9664664

>>9664513
People will laugh at that, but a less politicised version of that has already happened in southern England outside London. For example if you go to counties like Oxfordshire and Berkshire, you'll find the young people (i.e. under 30) all speak not too differently to those in London, Essex etc while the over 35s are often full on west country zoider drinker mode

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:52 No.9664722

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:52 No.9664722

Replies: >>9664928 >>9664938

There was a guy here months ago who said he'd studied the history of railways in Britain in uni or something, he did a really nice write-up on the situation, how it was before the war, nationalised after the war and now. He concluded that when it was truly private, and not the modern definition of privatisation where the state still controls it but doesn't, that it was much better.

Wish I'd screen capped that shit.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:59 No.9664928

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:59 No.9664928

>>9664722

They were better pre world war two. The neglect and damage they suffered during the war was massive however. Track was in a poor state, rolling stock a mess and locomotives clapped out. Many facilities had been bombed. The sudden increase in car usage that came later really hammered in nails in the coffin for a lot of routes.

Difficult to say whether or not the LNER, LMS, GWR and SR could have returned to their former glory, but they would probably have done a better job at fixing things than BR did.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)14:59 No.9664938

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)14:59 No.9664938

Replies: >>9665182

>>9664722
When it comes to Britain, SPECIFICALLY Britain before free market people from other countries get on my case about how fail nationalisation is in their country, privatising things has never worked. BT is shit now, the electricity/gas companies gouge us every year while they post record profits and old people freeze to death, rail system has gone worse since Network Rail and private operators. I'm old enough to remember when this shit was public and worked better.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)15:06 No.9665182

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)15:06 No.9665182

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>>9664938

>continuing to build steam locomotives for years after announcing that they are all to soon be replaced
>mishandled modernisation program
>deliberate running a trunk mainline built to the continental loading gauge into the ground to justify its closure
>failure to understand the travel needs of passengers
>failure to alter freight transportation until it was far too late
>RnD white elephants like the APT
>implying BR was good

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)15:24 No.9665729

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)15:24 No.9665729

Replies: >>9665800

>>9664383
>Should've used the money to start renationalising the railways

Yes, and spend money to make sure it is done properly also. Privatization is a short term economic solution for feeble, opportunistic governments, the belief that the free market will lead to better service and standards of safety will be respected is a fallacy also.

Anonymous
01/28/13(Mon)15:27 No.9665800

Anonymous 01/28/13(Mon)15:27 No.9665800

>>9665729
But it was never fully privatised, it's a government franchise.