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    1.75 MB "Iran is baiting, but America won’t bite" Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:44 No.963110  
    The media is actually trying to pretend Iran is provoking the USA. Are you goddamned KIDDING ME?

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/227db586-36ce-11e1-b741-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1iV6hYPx8

    >Iran has been relentlessly provoking America for the last 10 days. Its military recently threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz, and Tehran warned on Tuesday that US aircraft carriers should not return to the Gulf. But Iran is bluffing and war with the US or Israel is very unlikely in the foreseeable future
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:46 No.963121
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    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:46 No.963130
    Uhh... they are.

    I know that doesn't sit well with the "FREE PALESTINIE!!!1!!!1" crowd but believe it or not Iran's leader is apeshit crazy.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:47 No.963134
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    Obama talking about all options being on the table (nuclear strike) surely isn't provoking.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:47 No.963141
    >>963130
    >Hmm he's brown and weird
    >Lets go to war

    America
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:48 No.963147
    >>963134
    >(nuclear strike)
    You would have to be goddamn retarded to think that's what Obama meant by that statement.

    Oh wait, the pro-Iran crowd is goddamn retarded.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:49 No.963152
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    >Provoking on its own ground
    How do you do that?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:49 No.963153
    >"IRAN IS BAITING US!!!"
    >disregard how the USA is intentionally provoking China by setting up additional ZOG military platforms in Australia
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:49 No.963154
    Ahmadinejad has said he wants to see the U.S. fall. Why is this so hard to believe?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:50 No.963161
    >>963130

    How is he crazy. Claiming he is, without an actual reason, makes you look like a Jew shill.

    Besides, the US doesn't actually have a reason to be near Iran anyways. We don't have land there, and Iran is free to run their country however they see fit.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:50 No.963162
    >>963130
    He believes Ahmadinejad is solely in charge
    He believes some out of context quotes about him
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:50 No.963165
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    >>963147
    JIDF detected. Sing and dance.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:50 No.963167
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    >mfw delicious stormfag tears when we invade Iran destroying their last hopes forever to destroy Israel
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:50 No.963169
    Gotta beat the drums of war. The media is always siding with the powers that be, it never matters if it's a democracy or a dictatorship, rightwing or leftwing.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:51 No.963174
    >>>963139

    /thread
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:52 No.963177
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    >>963147
    >Don't support aggression against sovereign states
    >Pro-iran
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:54 No.963192
    >>963177
    >don't support aggression
    No, more like "Give Iran the Bomb because it's only fair and I have Israel Derangement Syndrome and I can't understand why a nuclear Iran is bad for the entire world"
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:55 No.963197
    OP your worldview is twisted by your butthurt over Jews. I know this. You know this, at least subconsciously. You have a psychological need for them to be the victim since you're living vicariously thru them. Normal non-mentally ill people see the reality of the hostility in their govt. They are a religious totalitarian regime. They are hostile to their own people, and hostile to their neighbors, and not just israel. When you declare yourself the right to close international waters, thats you being hostile. We get it already, Jews bad, Jewnited states yadda yadda, Iran glorious freedom fighters and any hostility on their part is really magically self-defense. You see what you want to see because Iran has become a surrogate for your butthurt. Reality on the other hand is not shaped by your insecure needs.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)09:58 No.963222
    >>963197
    This. A million times this.

    You cannot post "I just care about Iran's sovereignty" in a board that is constantly bombarded by anti-Israel, anti-Jewish posts and expect to be taken seriously when you say that.
    >> AAAAAAA 01/04/12(Wed)09:59 No.963225
    >>963192
    why are you afraid of little piss-ant iran? they don't have a bomb, can't deliver a bomb, and wouldn't deliver a bomb because they would get glassed...... go be a frightened little girl somewhere else
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:00 No.963241
    There will be some form of military action against Iran within the year, that's practically guaranteed. The US wants this to happen, and it's taking all the measures it can to produce the desired outcome. American officials were recently banned from communicating directly with Iranian officials. The sanctions situation has been ramping up, and both sides are flexing and posing. Iran is surrounded by countries with US military presence on all sides. Military action is going to happen. Probably not an all out invasion after the last two US incursions, but at the very least a blockade and selective bombing.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:04 No.963261
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    >>963192
    Meanwhile official Pentagon reports say that Iran is only interested in deterrence. Indeed the US has been fucking Iran at every turn since they established presence in the region.

    I'd appreciate it if you were more honest in your jingoism.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:08 No.963295
    United States needs to stop this stupid shit. I swear, one more war and i'm jumpin ship.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:08 No.963300
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    >>963222
    Nice dodging attempt fucker.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:09 No.963302
    Iran has the right to block the straits if they want. America could do this any time they like, and do worse in many countries and nobody gives a shit

    Iran would be crushed like an ant and could only lose if Western countries stopped buying their oil. China is a great trading partner but even that would not be enough

    Countries like China and Russia will prop them up, but they're not a big threat to regional stability. Hell, it's America that has been for the last decade. Undeniably. Destabilizing country after country, removing average dictators only to be replaced by Islamic theocratic republics and other degenerate, corrupt and illiberal regimes

    Iran have sucked since 1979 and I wouldn't miss their regime if it were toppled

    TLDR fuck Iran, fuck America,
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:09 No.963310
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    The JIDF is strong in this thread.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:09 No.963313
    Muslims have wanted to harm white people for hundreds of years. If , and when , they finish their little feud with Israel , they will turn their eyes on Europe and the Usa. Arab immigrants are already burning european flags in european countries for " Discriminating them and not accepting their laws"
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:11 No.963323
    >>963192


    JIDF working overtime to brush off the Jewish sentiment attached to the *reason* they want us to invade Iran, hmm?

    Now the JIDF slogan is "invade Iran, for the whole world's sake! (not just ours lol!)"

    Israel has been shitting its pants about Iran forever now.

    Before you Jew fucks can even begin your evil ass war chants "death to Iran!" you have to JUSTIFY an invasion first.

    Prove they have Nukes or are developing them.

    We already went through this with Iraq, remember?

    No nukes found. Nothing. Not even Chemical Weapons. Sorry.

    Israel is skipping the foreplay again with their JIDF chants of "kill them! kill them!".

    We actually do not have a reason to invade them. They have a right to refuse us entry into their country.

    And we don't have proof they are doing anything wrong.

    Yet...somehow we've been ignoring that Israel has nukes...despite how clamorous they are about destroying Iran. Isn't that hypocritical? Destroy Iran cause they have nukes, but leave Israel alone?

    What the fuck?

    So it boils down to two points.

    1. Israel has nukes and is in a war frenzy to see Iran invaded and destroyed, but also *claims* this is what Iran wants for Israel, too.

    2. We have no actual proof of nukes being developed, only that they might be trying to develop nuclear energy to power their country, which they have every right to. Who are we to deny them that? We aren't the world police. If they DID have nukes, why are we letting Israel keep theirs? You would think letting anyone in that region keep nukes would be dangerous, so why are we taking sides? Regardless, we can't afford another pointless war, like the shit we pulled off in Iraq, where there were NO WMDS.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:11 No.963325
    >>963310

    Because the JIDF is investing all of it's resources on no other website but 4chan , /pol/.

    Seriously , the only propaganda clearly visible , and admitted by several posters here , is the SIDF - Stormfront Internet Defense Force
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:11 No.963326
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    >>963302

    > since 1979
    >implying the shah didn't also suck
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:12 No.963327
    Iran has the right to become nuclear.
    Iran is not Iraq where there were savage violations of human rights and, regardless if the world police were going checking up why didn't they stick their noses into north Korea when they were arming up, or the countless other African countries where people were having limbs lopped off and women and children raped and murdered. Israel is uncharacteristically quiet now. Why? The seed they'd been cultivating is coming to fruition. In a fair world we wouldn't be discussing the prospect of war with Iran. It wouldn't happen. America became a parent to a spoiled monster-child in the Israeli state; feeding it and lending its attention to every country it tosses its rattle to.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:14 No.963344
    >>963192
    Look at the history of Nukes.

    How many nuclear armed nations have declared war on one another?

    Yeah, that's right.

    Iran getting nukes is the best hope for peace in the middle east.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:14 No.963345
    >>963323

    Israel's leader haven't shouted "Death to Iran" , And no , my good sir , i'm not talking about the "wipe israel off the map" translation , I'm talking about numerous occasions where Mahmoud , Kohmeini and many government officials encouraged the crowd to shout - " Death to Israel" and various other threats.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:17 No.963376
    >>963345

    And here is your proof , stormfront scum. now GTFO

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:18 No.963380
    >>963344

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War

    Don't get me wrong, I see your point that nuclear deterrents can reduce the risk of war. Problem is the Iranian regime are practically in the middle ages and have all the fanaticism and fervour of the 9/11 hijackers.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:20 No.963400
    >>963345

    Bullshit.

    http://www.jewishjournal.com/jews_and_mormons/item/an_israeli_attack_on_iran_justified_by_god_391111
    05/

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/news/poll-56-of-american-jews-think-u-s-should-strike-iran-1.695
    0

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-military-official-we-are-concerned-israel-will-not
    -warn-us-before-iran-attack-1.393834

    It's pretty clear Israel is the aggressor here.

    Why so warlike Israel? Iran hasn't done shit to you.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:20 No.963405
    >>963376
    Like everyone in the middle east doesn't hate Pissrael. gtfo zionist neocon scumbag.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:21 No.963411
    >>963400
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo


    They are talking about striking Iran's nuclear facilities , Iran is only talking about a full-scale attack on the state of Israel.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:22 No.963416
    >>963380

    If that was true, then there would be actual terrorist attacks against the USA by Iranians.

    We haven't seen any. Nothing. Jews are probably ready to false flag some more shit just to blame it on Iran by now.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:23 No.963423
    >>963405

    Good. Another stormfronter revealed for what he is. At least have the decency to stop lying and admit it sooner next time.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:24 No.963434
    >>963416
    >actual terrorist attacks against the USA by Iranians.
    Well, they did try to kill the ambassador of Saudi Arabia in America. Also they fund hezbollah
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:24 No.963436
    >>963423
    But why does everyone hate Israel though?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:24 No.963437
    >>963423


    lol, you probably posted that yourself, or asked a JIDF bro to do it for you.

    I bet half of this thread is JIDF inciting more hate towards Israel.

    You guys are unbelievable.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:28 No.963465
    >>963437

    Yeah right , you are the one who is probably doing it whith this post. I encourage everyone to check the posts for samefagging and find out for themselves. "JIDF , JIDF!!!"
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:30 No.963485
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    Placing crushing sanctions on the nation is not an act of aggression?

    This will be just like when the US embargoed oil to Japan and then acted like they couldn't understand why Pearl Harbor happened.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:30 No.963486
    Israel is out of control, it has been for quite a while. They're like a fat spoiled child making demands left and right. Presuming because of its overly-generous parents' doting attention it can beat up the other kids on the block without any repercussion. The child has become so bloated and self assured now the parent has become afraid of it.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:32 No.963497
    >>963434
    lol, that story was exposed as a state department/mossad fairy tale. you JIDF are almost as funny as your huge cartoon noses.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:32 No.963498
    >>963416

    The situation with regards to terrorism is complicated by the antagonism between Shia and Sunni sects of Islam, and also by the Iranian situation as a government instead of an non-national group like al-qaeda. It's also worth noting that government interests don't necessarily correlate with terrorist actions - Saudi Arabia is a key US ally, yet most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, and none of them were Afghan. We can't dismiss Iranian religious fanaticism because of a lack of Iranian attacks on US targets, because the two aren't always related. Iran's concern is Israel, and rival Sunni influence, and anything that gets in the way of bulldozing those two threats.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:33 No.963504
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    firstly there were no real weapons of mass destruction in iraq.

    >implying Israel doesn't have a vast horde of horrendous conventional, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons

    >implying israel never used the offic weapon of white phosphorous on palestinians

    >implying israel never used the horrific weapon of white phosphorous on palestinians

    >implying israel doesn't have over 200 nukes

    >implying Iran president said he would wipe israel off the map.
    Infact he actually said "The zionist regime (rezhim) will pass away...just as the Soviet regime fell in Russia"

    He didn't even mentioned the word 'map' so clearly the media are at it again.

    Iran has allowed full inspection but israel won't allow any inspection.

    In reality, iran advocates peace and makes no threat while isreal threatens to bomb iran, even with nukes.

    Israel even threatened to bomb european cities.

    so who really is the rogue state? Imagine if Iran threatened to bomb european cities
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:33 No.963509
    >>963497
    0/10

    Trolling - do it harder.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:34 No.963523
    >>963504
    Stormfronters keep posting the same thing after being proven liars time and time again , once again....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:35 No.963531
    Despite me as a eurofag hating America, Iran is actually trying to provoke a "limited attack" by the West.

    How do I know? Wikileaks' cablegate. 2010, folder 02, cables released from the US embassy in Oslo.
    During the riots in Teheran, a consul at the Iranian embassy in Oslo jumped off and went for politican asylum in Norway due to the injustice in Iran. His conditions were to co-operate with norwegian and U.S. officials, which he did.

    This is pretty much what he said; Iran is trying to provoke limited military actions from the west or anyone that can be branded "Zionists". Why? Because the current regime would gain immense political power inside Iranian borders, along with the chance to imprison or execute political opponents. Iran was also aware of the increasing anti-war movement throughout the West, and knew that whether an attack on Iran was justified or not, Iran would have the support of the masses in the West.

    Check it your fucking self. There are like 40 cables from the Oslo embassy in the 2010,02 folder. Takes you 5 minutes to verify my claims.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:36 No.963538
    >>963504

    Why do people have so much difficult criticising Israel and Iran at the same time? They're both fucking horrible regimes, face it. Painting Iran as the good guys is just as bad as Zionism.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:37 No.963547
    >>963523
    >>963523
    >>963523
    >>963523


    where does he state he's going to wipe israel off the map?

    get me that evidence you prat.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:37 No.963550
    Fucking Americans.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:38 No.963553
    Iran signed the NPT

    Israel did not.


    This means Israel can build a nuclear weapon.
    Iran can not.


    Why is this so hard for retards to understand.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:39 No.963565
    >>963531
    >>963531
    >>963531
    >>963531
    >>963531
    >>963531
    >>963531
    >>963531
    >>963531


    LISTON TO THIS MAN
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:40 No.963574
    >>963486

    Honestly, I think the better metaphor is that Israel BECAME a bully only after being bullied for so long. I'm not even talking pre-1948 here, the Holocaust wasn't a part of the Israeli schema until after the Eichmann trial.

    Israel hasn't face a significant military threat since 1973, if you want to see just how outmatched the Arab states are, look up Operation Molecricket.

    Obviously since Arab Spring things have changed, some 2nd rate American export version of the F-16 is in the hands of Egypt for example. But it is not a match for the unlocked version that Israel was sold and helped upgrade at US tax payer dollar.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:40 No.963575
    >In 1951, after the assassination of prime minister Ali Razmara, Dr. Mohammad Mosaddegh was elected prime minister by a parliamentary vote which was then ratified by the Shah. As prime minister, Mosaddegh became enormously popular in Iran after he nationalized Iran's petroleum industry and oil reserves. In response, the British government, headed by Winston Churchill, embargoed Iranian oil and successfully enlisted the United States to join in a plot to depose the democratically elected government of Mosaddegh. In 1953 US President Dwight D. Eisenhower authorized Operation Ajax. The operation was successful, and Mosaddegh was arrested on 19 August 1953. The coup was the first time the US had openly overthrown an elected, civilian government.[110]

    The fuck man..
    THE FUCK.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:41 No.963586
    >2011
    >put unilateral sanctions on the central bank of Iran
    >expect no consequences.
    Don't do this guys. Seriously, don't.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:41 No.963589
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    >>963553
    I wonder how Israel avoided being pressured into signing the NPT. Such a tiny state surely must be vulnerable to outside pressure from major trade blocks.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:41 No.963591
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    http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFB5E7NR00820120104

    >EU governments agree in principle on Iranian oil ban

    We're doomed.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:42 No.963596
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    >>963538

    no the reason most people do that is because it's the complete opposite in the media.

    Israel are potrayed as the good guys and everything is on Iran.

    so when people speak out they show israels true colours so you see a balance between the two.

    pic related. most of israels fuck ups aren't in the news because they can bury any story
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:42 No.963600
    >>963547

    He doesn't , but at the end of the video he shouts "Death to Israel" numerous times. I've already stated this at my previous posts. Israel did not start the provocation , Iran started it with those threats , and immediatly proceeded to developing nuclear weapons ( YES THEY ARE , it's known to every country , they admitted it , and just wait a while before they announce it ) Israel has been Iran's best ally until Khomeini seized power and went batshit insane on Israel. Go back to Stormfront and leave real-life discussions to sane people.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:42 No.963601
    >>963531
    As an Australian you're a fucking idiot just a fucking idiot. The American newsmedia has been pushing for an Iran invasion for half a decade. Surrounded them. Spied on them. Tried to stage riots and rebellion. They would be out of their mind to think America was somehow good and innocent. They aren't baiting, they are preparing a defense against invasion. Fucking idiot.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:42 No.963604
    >>963531
    Also, since this information was given to the U.S., they know what the fuck Iran is trying to pull. Thus they won't do shit, unless Iran attacks first.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:44 No.963625
    >>963596

    This attitude doesn't help. It's dishonest to fight bias with bias. If someone cares about the truth, it must be consistently applied. Otherwise it's simply a reflection of Israel whitewashing. Same ethical content.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:44 No.963635
    WHEN IS THE NEXT WARSHIP SUPPOSED TO BE GOING TO THE GULF?

    Let's see if Iran is the North Korea of the middle east with shitty threats that amount to nothing.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:45 No.963641
    >>963553
    So Israel don't have rights to build them in the first place, goyim.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:46 No.963653
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    >>963600

    well then, eitherway the media has said again and again Iran stated they would WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP.

    even you just said yourself he doesn't say that. So clearly the media lied about that, shows what else they might have lied about too dipshit. My point still remains.

    they lied about what Iran said to gain favour in attacking Iran.

    Find me evidence of Iran saying they will wipe israel off the map. I said they didn't say that instead he said the regime about soviet russia.

    bitch. Don't try no strawman on me. Don't change the subject, find me proof he stated he wants to wipe israel off the map or forever reveal yourself as a sham.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:46 No.963657
    >>963601
    I'm sure you know more about the core of Iranian politics than some random Iranian consul. I apologize for my outrageous claims without any shape of solid evidence.

    You didn't check the cables, did you?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:47 No.963664
    IRAN signed the non proliferation treaty

    Israel has not

    Iran has allowed inspection from the west for nuclear weapons.

    Israel has denied any inspection.

    why?

    because they know once the europion union finds Israel has 200 nukes and all their other chemical and biological weapons, they'd go against israel.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:50 No.963693
    >>963601
    Fucking Aussie bro. You're spot on. Iran isn't doing fuck all but defending its boundaries and is it any wonder they'd want to build defenses considering the sham wars that occured around them.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:50 No.963694
    >>963641
    This is ignorant.

    Any country, not bound by a treaty, my pursue a nuclear weapon program.
    The problem is that most of the tech is controlled by a small handful of nations and is very tightly controlled.
    The NPT makes the transfer of the technology easier, but you have to have huge amounts of transparency in your program so that the UN can be sure you aren't making a weapon, only a energy project.

    You faggots really need to educate yourselves.
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    >>963635
    >>963635
    >>963635
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:50 No.963704
    >>963434

    That was proven to have not been by Iran.

    All the evidence points to it having been an attempt by a ridiculously inept agency, namely the CIA or Mossad.

    It was a ploy to make Iran look like a terrorist nation, so shills like yourself could bring it up, even though Iran never took credit for it, which you think it might have if it was really responsible for it, otherwise what would be the point.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:51 No.963713
    >>963653

    You don't seem to be able to read it , I've already stated that i never said he said "wipe off the map " , As i've written here :
    >>963345

    I never protected the Media , Zionism , Judaism , USA or anything else. I've just said that Iran has started those threats by shouting VARIOUS threats , including this one which says DEATH TO ISRAEL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo

    I didn't say Iran said they would "wipe israel off the map" in ANY of my posts , show me ONE of my posts which states so. I said the president shouted DEATH TO ISRAEL , NO WIPE OFF THE MAP. Allright? so when he starts developing nuclear capabillities after saying those things , Israel is obvious nervous.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:51 No.963714
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    Why does the US hate Iran so fucking much? It seems historically the US has been the aggressor here.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N42ywHNylZ8
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:53 No.963728
    >visit link in OPs post
    >copy line containing authors:
    >paste

    By Ian Bremmer and Cliff Kupchan
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:53 No.963729
    >>963713

    I didn't see that post. I'm not the same poster you replied to.

    My point in my original post was that he didn't state he would wipe israel off the map, that is all.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:56 No.963758
    >>963694

    >ignorant
    >educate yourselves

    >ignores Israel's refusal to allow inspection, but demands that Iran agree to inspection, despite Israel not being part of the NPT in any way.

    lol, you just got owned buddy. jews gonna jew
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:57 No.963770
    >>963694
    >Any country, not bound by a treaty, my pursue a nuclear weapon program.
    You really believe this bullshit?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:57 No.963771
    >>963729

    That's what i've said. but regardless , he DID threaten Israel with Death. Not the most peaceful thing to do right? The only other posts i see here is claims of USA pushing into war with Iran many years ago already , when Israel was still Iran's best friend. Israel's newly risen concern for not wanting to get a nuke on Tel Aviv is pretty legitimate.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:57 No.963773
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    War with Iran will only give us $8/Gal gas. Is that what you stupid fucks really want????
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)10:59 No.963786
    >>963664
    They have denied any inspection, because of two good reasons.

    They have no legal reason to to do so.
    They need to protect European governments.

    You think the EU has no idea of Israels nuclear arsenal? It was the FRENCH who built Dimona, and EURATOM who GAVE them some Uranium. (At least they had to steal it from the US)
    If their Muslim population knew exactly HOW much help Israel got from European countries, it might divert some of the heat the US gets to them.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:00 No.963798
    >>963758

    Because Iran agreed to the inspections when they signed the NPT.

    Are you REALLY that ignorant that you don;t know how the NPT works?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:01 No.963810
    >>963770
    Yes. Because its true.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:02 No.963822
    >>963758
    "Jews gonna jew"

    What does every jew in the world has to do with Israel's government? Confirmed for stormfront.

    Also , Israel historically never threatened or attacked , with nuclear weapons or without , any arab country around them , despite being atttacked numerous times by those ( Except the palestinean issue , Which i agree is a wrong by Israel ) . If you are not underage b& , you would know Israel had , and has , a European mentality and doesn't make reckless moves with any of their weapons , even when almost being destroyed in the 6-day war.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:02 No.963824
    >>963773
    >let Iran build nukes to prevent gas price hikes
    "I'll take things that limp-wristed liberals say for $1,000, Alex"
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:03 No.963839
    >>963810
    Even IF Iran didn't sign the treaty, Israel and the US would be up it's ass. This has *nothing* to do with enforcing international law.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:04 No.963844
    >>963822
    Yes, bulldozing Palestinian villages isn't a reckless use of arms.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:04 No.963850
    I wouldnt worry too much guys, well unless you're an Israeli. The last country supported by the west in the middle east that got out of hand was invaded and the despot hung. Netanyahu will have his day i'm sure.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:05 No.963870
    >>963839
    Well thats your opinion, and is in no way provable.

    Since you have retreated from all the facts and have resorted to hypotheticals, I expect you will stop posting now.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:06 No.963885
    >>963870
    HAH, if you're seriously arguing that this is about international law, you are a fucking loon.

    Do you know anything about the history of Iran or the Middle East? Or Western involvement in Middle Eastern affairs?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:06 No.963887
    "I cannot bear Netanyahu, he's a liar," Sarkozy told Obama, unaware that the microphones in their meeting room had been switched on, enabling reporters in a separate location to listen in to a simultaneous translation.

    "You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you," Obama replied, according to the French interpreter.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:07 No.963891
    >>963773
    the attitude to that is:
    "we don't care about your $8 a gallon gas and your economy that would be wrecked by it, goyim, we have the oil pipeline to israel from iraq that you laid down for us"
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:10 No.963926
    >>963885
    No you are arguing a hypothetical course of history that never happened.

    We might as well argue about what would have happened is the Spanish won at Trafalgar, or if Dewey beats Truman.

    Everything from that point on is hypothetical and not based in facts.

    You have retreaded to the land of the hypothetical because you can not defend your position based on facts.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:11 No.963931
    how's your boy Jonathan Pollard doing, by the way?
    still rotting in prison?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:13 No.963949
    >>963926
    No, not really. I'm arguing that it's not about the treaty, and that it's naive to think so.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:13 No.963953
    >>963844
    Palestinians aren't Jews. They have no right whatsoever to be living in Israel.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:15 No.963969
    >>963953
    By what edict? The Torah? The Israeli military occupation of Palestine is illegal under international law.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:18 No.964009
    >>963714
    Turns into delirious misinformation after 7:25.
    I guess that was the whole purpose of it. To make the missinfo more genuine with genuine follow up material.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:18 No.964018
    >>963949
    And I still saying that you have 0 facts to support your position.

    You have no way of knowing what would have or could have happened. Only what has.

    And you have nothing on your side.

    Deal with it.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:18 No.964019
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DIOaCUhFk8
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:20 No.964031
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    >this is what Iranians provoking Americans from 6000 miles away looks like
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:21 No.964041
    >>963949
    The treaty is absolutely relevant.

    Thats the only thing keeping Iran from legally pursuing nuclear weapons.

    No one could stop them.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:21 No.964042
    >>964018
    >0 facts
    Besides the fact that the US overthrew democracy in Iran, and then when the revolution happened, relations became what they are now? Besides the fact that the US gave Iraq chemical weapons and intelligence to use against the Iranians before any of this nuclear nonsense even happened? Stop being such a cunt.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:22 No.964052
    >>964031
    Sure looks like the Americans are provoking Iran there.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:25 No.964092
    They are provoking.
    Don't be a smartass.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:25 No.964094
    >>964042

    How about the fact that Saddam Hussein was a CIA asset installed to counter the Ayatollahs influence in the region. Which led to Saddam attacking Iran with weapons provided by America. How about the fact that the Ayatollah came to power after overthrowing the Shah who was imposed by the Americans overturning a democratic election.

    CIA strikes again. This is public domain knowledge straight from the CIA if you faggots don't know it you can blame yourselves for being ignorant and getting all of your 'facts' only from your favourite conservative media pundits.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:25 No.964095
    >>963953


    lol what the shit?

    Palestinians already living there have no right to live there?

    Jews confirmed for batshit crazy insane.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:25 No.964098
    >>964042
    Except that none of that has to do with the NPT.

    Fact remains.
    Iran signed the NPT.
    Iran is not allowed to develop nuclear weapons.

    You can not escape this very simple fact.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:27 No.964109
    >>964098
    And you're arguing that this is the entire reason for American aggression against Iran? A violation of the NPT? Give me a break...
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:31 No.964174
    >>964109

    Seriously. Even the IAEA report says they have no weapons, don't seem close to having weapons and have no proof of a development process for weapons.

    Oh right, but when the UN said there was no WMD in Iraq you went in anyways. When the UN observers said that there was no proof of war crimes in Libya and that both sides had commited atrocities the US went in anyway.

    >CIA
    >America
    >any excuse for militarism
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:35 No.964212
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D61uriEGsIM
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:39 No.964270
    >>964174
    Would you like to try again?

    http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2011/gov2011-65.pdf

    >Since
    2002, the Agency has become increasingly concerned about the possible existence in Iran of undisclosed
    nuclear related activities involving military related organizations, including activities related to the
    development of a nuclear payload for a missile, about which the Agency has regularly received new
    information.

    >Efforts, some successful, to procure nuclear related and dual use equipment and materials by
    military related individuals and entities (Annex, Sections C.1 and C.2)

    >Efforts to develop undeclared pathways for the production of nuclear material (Annex,
    Section C.3)

    >Work on the development of an indigenous design of a nuclear weapon including the testing of
    components (Annex, Sections C.5–C.12)

    >development of an indigenous design of a nuclear weapon

    >indigenous design of a nuclear weapon

    So would you like to try again after being proven to be a liar?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:41 No.964288
    >>964270
    Wasn't me, answer me faggot.

    The entire reason for this whole fight for the past 30 years is because of a violation of the NPT?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:41 No.964289
    Oh no! What will happen to Israel if they got nukes!

    Go Americunts go! Save the Jew!
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:42 No.964312
    >>964212
    More of that please.
    Is there something like that for Afghanistan or Iraq from before?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:43 No.964323
    >>964288
    Of course not.

    But thats not what we are discussing here.
    We are discussing Irans violation of the NPT and the consequences thereof.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:45 No.964349
    wait wait wait...

    Everyone keeps ignoring the fact that it is UNPROVEN that Iran is making nukes.

    They have every right to develop nuclear energy, which is what they have been claiming.

    No where have they said they are making nuclear bombs. There is no evidence to suggest they are making bombs.

    You Jew faggots keep diverting the topic, but fail to answer this.

    Why are we threatening Iran if we don't have evidence they are making bombs. They already signed the NPT agreeing to not make weapons. That should be enough good faith right there. Israel didn't even do the same, and is now claiming they need nukes "to protect Europe"?

    What the fuck? Who says we need Israel's help defending Europe? Did no one tell you, Europe can defend itself?

    Stop trying to bullshit us with these "we're protecting you" lies. You can't even protect yourselves. Why else is the fucking US warship there? Why isn't it an Israeli ship? Fucking warmongering parasites.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:46 No.964364
    >>964270

    >quote the summary
    >ignore the annex completely
    >annex states that a mysterious "member state" claims it has intelligence on the issue but refuses to show it

    Sound anything like Iraq anyone?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:46 No.964368
    >>964270
    >2002, the Agency has become increasingly concerned about the possible existence in Iran of undisclosed
    nuclear related activities involving military related organizations, including activities related to the
    >concerned about the possible existence
    > possible existence..

    Just like the possible existence of chemicals weapons in Iraq...
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:47 No.964371
    >>964349
    Actually......

    LOL.

    Read this:
    >>964270
    And then cry like a little bitch.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:47 No.964373
    >>964323
    >But thats not what we are discussing here.
    Yes it was, don't move the goal posts. Our discussion was anyway. That this entire situation is not the result of some violation of the NPT, but a wider problem that has been ongoing
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:48 No.964395
    >>964349
    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/iran-nuclear-weapons-israel/2010/10/05/id/372644

    wait , wait , wait , why aren't we back at stormfront?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:49 No.964402
    >>964349

    >Europe can defend itself

    With what? They ran out of ammo trying to handle an African shithole.

    I agree with your post otherwise.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:49 No.964406
    >>964364
    >>964368

    >The information which serves as the basis for the Agency’s analysis and concerns, as identified in the Annex, is assessed by the Agency to be, overall, credible. The information comes from a wide variety of independent sources, including from a number of Member States, from the Agency’s own efforts and from information provided by Iran itself. It is consistent in terms of technical content, individuals and organizations involved, and time frames.


    >No Country For Told Men......
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:51 No.964422
    >>964371

    That doesn't prove anything. They are developing missiles, and who isn't?

    "increasingly concerned about the possible existence"

    Remember the last time we heard this?

    We invaded Iraq and found nothing. Absolutely nothing. ZERO.

    Jews cry wolf much?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:51 No.964430
    >>964349

    >Everyone keeps ignoring the fact that it is UNPROVEN that Iran is making nukes.

    What, like the WMDs that Saddam was hiding?

    That's just the initial bone tossed to the media to test the public reaction. So long as the Murrkan public has McDonalds, iPads and Shia LaBeef movies with tits n bombs, then they don't really care who the government wants to start bombing next.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:51 No.964432
    >>964373
    You are the one moving the goalposts.

    All i ever stated was the Iran has no right to develop a nuclear weapon. And that a nation, unless prohibited by treaty has every right to develop a nuclear weapon.

    >Reading comprehension, how does it work?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:53 No.964442
    >>964422
    Missiles?

    No sir.

    Reading isn't your strong suit is it? Tell you what. I'll let you read it again, and when you realize what an idiot you are, you can come back and delete your post.

    Sound fair?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:53 No.964443
    Iran are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

    America and Israel truly are the shiteaters of the earth.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:53 No.964450
    >>964432

    >Iran has no right to develop a nuclear weapon

    Thanks for clearing that up, God.
    >> mercwhitmouth 01/04/12(Wed)11:54 No.964453
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    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:54 No.964457
    >>964432
    No, our discussion began here
    >>963770
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:54 No.964459
    >>964432
    >>964432

    WE CAN'T LET IRAN DEVELOP A NUCLEAR WEAPON

    THAT WOULD MEAN WE CAN'T INVADE THEM

    WHO ARE THEY TO SAY WHO CAN AND CAN'T INVADE THEM... LET'S INVADE THEM
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:54 No.964464
    Iran official already admitted developing nuclear weapons. Time to go back to stormfront , pals.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/iran-nuclear-weapons-israel/2010/10/05/id/372644
    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/iran-nuclear-weapons-israel/2010/10/05/id/372644
    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/iran-nuclear-weapons-israel/2010/10/05/id/372644
    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/iran-nuclear-weapons-israel/2010/10/05/id/372644
    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/iran-nuclear-weapons-israel/2010/10/05/id/372644
    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/iran-nuclear-weapons-israel/2010/10/05/id/372644
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:55 No.964478
    >>964430


    Hey dickhead, my post you're quoting is AGAINST an invasion of Iran, before you continue your American bashing, learn to fucking read. I AM an American.

    Good job letting the Jews confuse you, pay attention to who the real enemy is. They're the ones instigating this war.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:56 No.964485
    >>964430
    Also, key difference here is:

    Iraq was the US going to the UN, trying to convince them.

    Iran is the UN IAEA convincing the rest of the world....
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:56 No.964494
    Those fucking stormfront trolls keep saying the same thing after being proven wrong again and again in previous posts. "Tell a lie enough times and people will accept it as truth" - Goebbles.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:57 No.964504
    You'd think placing military bases on land considered holy by the people who control most of the oil supply and it's shipping routes is a bad idea and in itself provocative.

    >No you're wrong they hate our freedom
    China seems to hate freedom, go liberate them.
    >Iran's regime is bad
    Not your business. let the people stand up for themselves like the Arab spring, even if they fuck it up, it's their responsibility, not yours.
    >> mercwhitmouth 01/04/12(Wed)11:57 No.964506
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    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:57 No.964508
    >>964464

    >newsmax

    ohwaityou'reseriousletmelaughharder.jpg
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:58 No.964512
    >>964464

    More bullshit.

    From the same link you provided;

    >Although both President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei insist that Iran has the right to enrich uranium and to develop nuclear technology, both have stated consistently that Iran has no interest in nuclear weapons, and that Islam even forbids the use of such weapons.

    You JIDF faggots are really desperate, aren't you? You aren't even reading your own sources.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:58 No.964515
    Hey America, maybe if you hadn't let the Jews rape you so utterly, maybe you and Iran could be buddies?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:58 No.964521
    >Iran's regime is bad, the people hate it

    I'm sure they'd hate being bombed and oppressed by the US military a hell of a lot more.

    America doesn't know what freedom is.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:58 No.964526
    >>964457
    I know.

    Which is what I said:

    >a nation, unless prohibited by treaty has every right to develop a nuclear weapon.

    And you can not prove that wrong.

    Your move.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:58 No.964528
    >>964485

    Using 'intelligence' provided solely by america.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)11:59 No.964543
    >>964526
    >a nation, unless prohibited by treaty has every right to develop a nuclear weapon.
    This is just wrong though. There is more to international politics than treaties.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:00 No.964553
    >>964528
    Incorrect.

    >The information which serves as the basis for the Agency’s analysis and concerns, as identified in the Annex, is assessed by the Agency to be, overall, credible. The information comes from a wide variety of independent sources, including from a number of Member States, from the Agency’s own efforts and from information provided by Iran itself. It is consistent in terms of technical content, individuals and organizations involved, and time frames.


    But keep trying. Its cute to see you struggle to grasp straws.
    >> mercwhitmouth 01/04/12(Wed)12:00 No.964557
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    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:00 No.964558
    >>964512
    >>964512
    >>964512
    >>964512

    READ IT JIDF NIGGERS

    IRAN'S LEADERS VEHEMENTLY DENY WANTING NUCLEAR WEAPONS
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:02 No.964574
    >>964543
    Not really.

    You can apply pressure in a diplomatic sense but little else.
    You can refuse to trade, and like minded countries can do the same.

    But it is not grounds for military action.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:02 No.964585
    >>964512

    Ahmed Vahidi and Kenza Kahlili admit developing a "defensive" nuclear weapons program , The truth , to flex their muscles before the nation while Mahmoud is sprucing up some lies to the rest of the world.


    This is the first time that a senior Iranian government official has made an authorized public statement acknowledging that Iran has developed the military doctrine needed to employ nuclear weapons on the battlefield.

    Although both President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei insist that Iran has the right to enrich uranium and to develop nuclear technology, both have stated consistently that Iran has no interest in nuclear weapons, and that Islam even forbids the use of such weapons.

    Defense ministry officials’ talking openly about a nuclear war fighting doctrine turns on its head the long-stated public position of the Islamic Republic that Iran “couldn’t possibly want a nuclear weapon because their ideology and the religious rulings of Ayatollah Khomeini prohibited it,” says Kenneth Katzman, a former CIA analyst who is the top Iran expert at the Congressional Research Service.

    Many U.S. experts have been skeptical of such Iranian disclaimers for years. But these latest Iranian statements give added weight to the view that Iranian officials say one thing in public, while doing exactly the opposite behind closed doors.

    Read more on Newsmax.com: Iran Admits It Could Pull Nuke Trigger on US, Israel
    Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:02 No.964586
    >>964464
    Yeah!! Believe it to the CIA

    >Newsmax Media
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    >Newsmax Media
    >Type Media
    >Founded September 16, 1998
    >Founder(s) Christopher Ruddy, CEO
    Headquarters West Palm Beach, Florida, USA
    Key people Ken Chandler, Editor in Chief, Newsmax magazine
    Website newsmax.com
    >Newsmax Media is a conservative American >news media organization founded by Christopher >W. Ruddy and based in West Palm Beach, >Florida. It operates the news website >Newsmax.com and publishes Newsmax >Magazine.
    >Christopher W. Ruddy started Newsmax.com on >September 16, 1998, supported by a group of >politically conservative investors, including the >family of the late Central Intelligence Agency Director William J. Casey. Later, Richard Mellon Scaife, Ruddy's former employer at the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review and a supporter of conservative causes, invested in the fledging company.[1] One of the initial board members was author James Dale Davidson who edited a financial newsletter, Davidson's co-editor, Lord Rees-Mogg, former editor of The Times and Vice Chair of the BBC, later became chairman of Newsmax Media.[2]
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:04 No.964599
    >>964558
    see:
    >>964585

    Admitted by Iranian military.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:04 No.964604
    >>964543

    Who cares about legality. Violence is the ultimate law. Anyone care to count the 'international laws' which the USA has violated? Will an American ever be taken to the Hague to face charges of war crimes? The UN is a ruse. It's undemocratic. It gives 5 nations veto power simply because they were the victors in a war 70 years ago. What kind of idiot defends this?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:04 No.964605
    >>964558
    http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2011/gov2011-65.pdf

    >Since 2002, the Agency has become increasingly concerned about the possible existence in Iran of undisclosed nuclear related activities involving military related organizations, including activities related to the development of a nuclear payload for a missile, about which the Agency has regularly received new information.

    >Efforts, some successful, to procure nuclear related and dual use equipment and materials by military related individuals and entities (Annex, Sections C.1 and C.2)

    >Efforts to develop undeclared pathways for the production of nuclear material (Annex, Section C.3)

    >Work on the development of an indigenous design of a nuclear weapon including the testing of components (Annex, Sections C.5–C.12)

    >development of an indigenous design of a nuclear weapon

    >indigenous design of a nuclear weapon


    Read it and weep, you lazy faggots.
    The UN even thinks they are up to something.
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    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:05 No.964619
    >>964604
    So you admit that you have no more facts to support your point of view, and are now changing the subject?

    Sweet.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:06 No.964621
    >>964585

    Also funny thing how this news site advertises obama re-election while stormfronters would insist it is a JIDF/ZOG controlled news agency and as such , should obviously encourage people to vote Romney/Gingrich
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:06 No.964627
    >>964585

    And yet you could not provide a SINGLE quote from any Iranian that they are developing nuclear weapons.

    NOTHING. YOU HAVE NADA BUDDY.

    Let's see a direct quote, from someone, anyone, with a source. Not just your opinion.

    You don't have a damn thing. I'll post it again, with emphasis on the fucking leadership speaking for all of Iran.

    >Although both President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei insist that Iran has the right to enrich uranium and to develop nuclear technology, both have stated consistently that Iran has no interest in nuclear weapons, and that Islam even forbids the use of such weapons.

    ARE WE CLEAR YET JEWS
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:07 No.964636
    >>964627
    http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2011/gov2011-65.pdf

    >Since 2002, the Agency has become increasingly concerned about the possible existence in Iran of undisclosed nuclear related activities involving military related organizations, including activities related to the development of a nuclear payload for a missile, about which the Agency has regularly received new information.

    >Efforts, some successful, to procure nuclear related and dual use equipment and materials by military related individuals and entities (Annex, Sections C.1 and C.2)

    >Efforts to develop undeclared pathways for the production of nuclear material (Annex, Section C.3)

    >Work on the development of an indigenous design of a nuclear weapon including the testing of components (Annex, Sections C.5–C.12)

    >development of an indigenous design of a nuclear weapon

    >indigenous design of a nuclear weapon
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:07 No.964637
    >>964619
    No, it's not me. This Anonymous thing makes one on one conversation awkward. I'm pretty much done, since you're saying international law and international treaties define how international politics works, history begs to differ with you.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:08 No.964646
    ITT: revelations

    JIDF spends over 1 million $ annually on this board alone.
    >> mercwhitmouth 01/04/12(Wed)12:09 No.964652
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    more love tolerance and ponys
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:09 No.964660
    >>964637
    Indeed.

    so you have a historical example of a non signatory to the NPT being attacked for developing a nuclear weapon?

    I thought not.


    You are the one with the simple minded view of the issue.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:09 No.964664
    >>964553

    >yet all the passages which cite development of nuclear weapon related items state the source as 'a member state'

    Do try to keep up old boy. I know it;s hard to keep all these complicated sentences in your head at one time - being an American.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:11 No.964678
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    >>964627
    >And yet you could not provide a SINGLE quote from any Iranian that they are developing nuclear weapons.

    Are you fucking insane? Ahmed Vahidi and Kenza Kahlili , Army officials were quoted admitting it. What is not clear to you , Retard?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran#Iranian_statements_on_nuclear_deterrence

    AND HERE IS A FUCKING PICTURE OF HIM , MAYBE IT WILL HELP YOU SOMEHOW.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:11 No.964683
    >>964660
    No, but if you read a history book you will see how little international law and organizations like the UN have anything to do with real politics. Last post anyway.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:12 No.964692
    >>964646
    ........................................................................

    I can't believe i've been wasting my time responding to a stormfront troll.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:12 No.964693
    If Iran is after nuclear power and not nuclear weapons why did Iran turn down a deal where Russia would provide them with non-weapons grade uranium in exchange for ceasing enrichment?

    Oh that's right, because Iran is a lying cunt of a nation with goals of becoming the dominant regional power.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:13 No.964699
    >>964683
    Sure sure. More simple mindedness.

    Keep running...
    >> mercwhitmouth 01/04/12(Wed)12:14 No.964721
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    everything sucks, let's take the legs and dance
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:17 No.964762
    >>964678


    Ok, so where is a direct quote from them?

    You posted all this other bullshit, and yet failed to produce their claim.

    WHERE IS THE QUOTE FROM THEM BUDDY

    Even if you did pull out some unrelated out of context JIDF lying bullshit, you still have.....

    Although both ***President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei*** insist that Iran has the right to enrich uranium and to develop nuclear technology, both have stated consistently that Iran has no interest in nuclear weapons, and that Islam even forbids the use of such weapons.

    O HAI THAR, IT'S IRAN'S LEADERS

    Who is more credible now?

    You're a JIDF flunky failure. Next time produce actual quotes, faggot. Not theoretical nonsense that "hints" at a nuclear weapon, when in reality Iran has admitted to only pursuing nuclear power for its country.

    GET TROLL'D FAGGOT LOL
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:19 No.964787
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    >mfw russian "jews" are considered shit tier by every other jew in Israel
    >mfw they vent their inferiority complex on /pol/ as JIDF
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:20 No.964796
    INCOMING FALSE FLAG
    INCOMING FALSE FLAG
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    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:22 No.964814
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    The Gulf of Hormuz is international waters. If Iran tries to close it, they'll suffer the consequences in terms of a millitary strike, and rightfully so.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:23 No.964827
    >>964721


    "mercwitmouth"

    Sounds like it's the call to pull out of this thread, eh JIDF?

    Too much evidence proving Iran is not a threat?

    You guys might want to hire some people more capable in English, and not one same-faggot who doesn't understand the concept of "proof".
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:23 No.964828
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    >>964796
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:24 No.964839
    >>964814
    They said they would do so in response to an attack, not as an initiative of their own.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:25 No.964851
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    >>964827
    >MFW they now start calling bronie trolls JIDF
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:26 No.964870
    >>964762
    This..
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:27 No.964890
    >>964839
    They better not do it for any reason. If they want all this to go away they can abandon their nuclear program. We've seen what happens when rogue states get bombs, the technology spreads everywhere. (i.e. AQ Khan)
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:29 No.964911
    >>964762
    >GET TROLL'D FAGGOT LOL

    Not sure if troll.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:29 No.964918
    >>964890
    >We've seen what happens when rogue states get bombs
    Nothing? Seoul is still here... Iran is trying to get nukes to defend itself.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:31 No.964938
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    >>964890

    >rogue states
    >Israel

    >sells nuclear secrets to China

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-accused-of-selling-us-secrets-to-china-1510406.html


    >mfw Israel is the real enemy in the middle east
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:31 No.964945
    >>964918

    You honestly think its to protect themselves? The only reason rogue states like NK and Iran want nukes is so they can use it as leverage when dealing with other countries. i.e. You don't take away sanctions, we might happen to have a slip up and launch a nuke at -insert country-.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:32 No.964955
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    >>963436
    >But why does everyone hate Israel though?
    No one else is gonna take this one?
    Alright, here goes:
    >Claims to be God's chosen people, everyone else is damned.
    >Own scripture states that EVERYONE will hate them for being the Chosen People.
    >Talmud declares inhumanity of all Gentiles.
    >Jews loan money with insane interest
    >Jews slander other countries liberally
    >Jews argue ALL THE FUCKING TIME; they never stop trolling, and it pisses off everyone.
    And the big one!
    >Jews and the rest of the Arabs trace back their rivalry geneology to the split between Jacob and Esau, when Jacob cheated Esau out of his first-born inheritance, leaving Isaac to grant him the second-born inheritance of permanent servitude to Jacob and his descendants.
    >Wikipedia: Esau is the progenitor of the Edomites and the twin brother of Jacob, the patriarch of the Israelites.
    So there you have it. Ancient blood feud between the descendants of Abraham.
    It doesn't help that Islam now exists, and is antiethical to Judaism.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:34 No.964967
    >>964945
    Yes, nuclear weapons are used as a deterrent and a leverage. This is their primary use. Listen, there are US military bases surrounding Iran right now, and US intelligence has been actively attacking Iran since the 70s.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:35 No.964982
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    >>964890

    Yeah, because abandoning his nuclear program and working more closely with the West went so well for Qaddafi. I'm sure that looks like an enticing option.

    >american diplomacy
    >you gonna get bombed
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:35 No.964988
    >>964918
    If you're not responsible you dont get to have nukes, sorry. China, Britain, Russia and India all have nukes but nobody cares because we know they are responsible and stable

    This isnt the case with Pakistan, North Korea or Iran and its why they cant be allowed to have them (albeit its too late on the first two but hopefully the technology can be confiscated or destroyed when we finally intervene there)
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:38 No.965020
    >>964988
    >America
    >one of the largest funders of international terrorism
    >one of the largest arms producers
    >trains secret police to torture and kill people around the world
    >overthrowing democracies left and right during the cold war
    >invading Iraq without provocation
    >responsible
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:38 No.965028
    >>964982
    Qadaffi was a cock who blew up passanger liners. Fuck him, he got everything he deserved.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:40 No.965048
    >>965020
    Im not condoning our actions during the Cold War, unfortunately that did change our actions a bit. Nevertheless we are still far more responsible and stable than Pakistan or North Korea.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:40 No.965060
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    >>965028

    >confirmed for Jewiness
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:42 No.965082
    I hope Iran bombs the shit out of America in self-defence.

    America is fucking annoying always trying to start a war.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:42 No.965083
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    >>965060
    I know you're trolling. I know you can seriously be sympathizing with Qadaffi. Right??
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:42 No.965085
    >>965048

    You only perceive them as irresponsible because that's what you have beend trained to see by the media and government. If you were Iranian you;d seee all the shit that the CIA gets upto and feel the sameway about the USA.

    For Christ's sake America, learn to diplomacy.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:43 No.965107
    >>965082
    Iran doesn't have even the slightest capability of projecting power. The most it would do is bomb some overseas Middle East bases.


    And then we would thoroughly beat the shit out of them.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:43 No.965109
    Want to make one point: Iran saying it can and will close the strait IF IT'S ATTACKED is in no way a violation of the law of the sea, since that would put Iran at war with the US and its allies, and hence Iran can attack them however it likes wherever it likes (within the scope of the laws of war)

    Again, Iran said it would do this AFTER the other side has already provoked a war
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:44 No.965121
    >>965028
    Yeah, because the US would never blow up an airliner.

    Oh, wait...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

    So ignorant it hurts
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:45 No.965135
    >>965083
    Gaddafi was a good man.

    Libya was better under his rule,
    now everything's turned to shit.

    under Gaddhafi
    1. Libya had no debt at all
    2. Huge excess of gold
    3. Free universities in Tripoli
    4. People loved him

    after Gaddhafi
    1. centralized Rothschild bank
    2. sharia law installed
    3. puppet leader for the west

    Nice job west, you've ruined another country.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:46 No.965152
    >>965085
    The CIA isn't an angel and never was. But you're a straight up fuckin' idiot if you think North Korea or Pakistan are responsible nations.

    Sorry.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:48 No.965187
    >>965152
    The US is less responsible than either of them, going by what's actually happened throughout history. You need to open your eyes just a little bit.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:48 No.965195
    I personally have no problem with Jews controlling the world. All these folks accusing others of being JIDF need to understand that they are just pathetic goyims who will never amount to anything in life.

    Just accept that Jews are inherently superior to you and your life will be much better for it. :) Or you could be a barbaric Muslim who beheads women. It's up to you, silly goyims.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:49 No.965198
    >>965152
    >talk about Gaddhafi
    >he changes subject to NorthKorea/Pakistan

    Were you born retarded or did your mother drop you?

    Gaddafi was a wayyy better leader than any western country has.

    He was a hero for standing up against you evil Zionists.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:49 No.965204
    >>965121
    The actions of an incompetent commander. Not something sanctioned by the height of the American government. Unless you have proof of otherwise. Besides, unless there important Iranians on board or something then there'd be no motive to do so.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:51 No.965235
    >>965152

    Muammar Gaddafi's contribution to the people of Libya:

    1. All the newly weds people of Libya used to get about 50,000 dollars from Government to lead a very happy life.

    2. Home is the basic right of every citizen of Libya.

    3. There was no electricity bill in Libiya. Electricity was free in Libya.

    4. No interest loan for the people of Libya according to Law. Gaddafi was against interest since interest is forbidden in Islam.

    5. Gaddafi has increased the literacy rate from 25% to 83%. Education expenses in Government universities are free in Libya.

    6. Medical expenses in Government hospitals was free in Libya.

    7. The price of the patrol was 0.14 cents in Libya. Yes we all know Libya has got good petroleum resources. But the price seems to be too low. Isn't it?

    8. When Libyan citizen wants to buy a car, Government used to subsidized 50% of the price of the car. 50%? sounds great!

    9. A huge bread used to cost only 15 cents in Libya.

    10. The GDP per capita of Libya is very high. Over 15,000 us dollars. Purchasing power was very high compare to the GDP.

    11. The economy of Libya was improving rapidly. In 2010 it had 10% growth. It has not external debts. It also has the reserves amount of 150+ billion dollars.

    12. Unemployment fees were given from the government until the person finds a Job.

    13. A Libyan mother used to get 5000 us dollars for giving birth a child.


    Now all of that is gone.
    Thanks America!

    Fucking evil jews
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:51 No.965239
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    >>965198
    >>965198
    Okay lets retrace the conversation, nimrod.

    MY POST: Im not condoning our actions during the Cold War, unfortunately that did change our actions a bit. Nevertheless we are still far more responsible and stable than Pakistan or North Korea.

    YOUR POST: You only perceive them as irresponsible because that's what you have beend trained to see by the media and government. If you were Iranian you;d seee all the shit that the CIA gets upto and feel the sameway about the USA.

    For Christ's sake America, learn to diplomacy.

    MY POST: The CIA isn't an angel and never was. But you're a straight up fuckin' idiot if you think North Korea or Pakistan are responsible nations.

    Sorry.
    Get it now, you little fucking retard? Is this babby's first political debate or what?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:52 No.965251
    >>965239
    see
    >>965235
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:54 No.965292
    >>964406

    >assessed by the Agency to be, overall, credible
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:54 No.965293
    >>965109
    >>965085
    >>965020
    This.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:54 No.965309
    >>965195

    >pathetic goyims
    >accept that Jews are inherently superior

    >2012 AND JEWS STILL BELIEVE THIS

    laughinggirls.jpeg
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:56 No.965326
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    >>965135
    >>965235
    >>965198
    Pic very related
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:56 No.965332
    >>964432

    And that a nation, unless prohibited by treaty has every right to develop a nuclear weapon.

    >Says who?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:56 No.965337
    >>963302
    They don't control the straights... They would be imposing themselves on other countries, like Oman, if they were to shut it down.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:56 No.965340
    >>965083

    Not troll. Highest living standards of all Africa, free education, healthcare. Higher then most Middle East states. At the same time lowest amount of debt of any nation as percentage of GDP (3%GDP). How the fuck is that possible in Africa? He even planned an African Fund (think IMF for African nations) which would give low cost loans to nation's in Africa. Maybe now you understand why he was taken out.

    Libya had a close relationship with the West and was increasingly diplomatic. Look at the UN reports for Libya, they are all increasingly positive in nature.

    Qaddafi was a good guy who got fucked.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:56 No.965342
    JEWS
    JEWS
    JEWS
    JEWS
    JIDF
    JIDF
    JIDF
    JIDF
    ZIONIST
    ZIONIST
    ZIONIST
    ZIONIST


    If you would archive every stormfronter post ever made on /pol , you would discover that:

    1.All humans are jews , except stormfront
    2.Jews have super-powers and control everyone's mind and the entire world effortlessly
    3.There is no such a thing as "countries or "politics" , there are only Jews , and Stomrfront saints
    4.If you refuse to blame and accuse jews of eveything bad in the mutliverse , you're a JIDF who is being paid 1,000,00 Shekels/hour.

    In other news , how the hell do i join the JIDF? I could use the money.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:57 No.965350
    >>965332

    >>964432

    >And that a nation, unless prohibited by treaty has every right to develop a nuclear weapon.

    Says who?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)12:58 No.965360
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    >>965342
    lol
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:01 No.965412
    >>965235
    >>965198
    >>965135


    I am so fucking proud of the internet reading your posts right now.

    >brofuckingfist.png
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:03 No.965445
    >>965412
    seconded, I cant wait to hear this guy talk about how Hitler was a really nice guy and that the holocaust was a Zionist conspiracy
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:05 No.965483
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    >>965445
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:06 No.965492
    >>965445

    Enjoy your shackles.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:08 No.965539
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    >>965445
    Hitler was a really nice guy and that the holocaust was a Zionist conspiracy.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:13 No.965611
    >>965445

    >equating a genocidal maniac with the third World's most progressive ever leader
    >this is what americans actually believe
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:15 No.965638
    >>965611
    So you are saying Gadaffi would NOT have completely annihilated the inhabitants of Benghazi had we not intervened?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:16 No.965654
    >>965638

    Yes.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:19 No.965692
    >>965539
    That was the last bit, and some say, most effective piece of Nazi wartime propaganda.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:20 No.965708
    >>965654
    So is that why he sent a massive military force that came within just miles of the city? And he was just gonna talk with them?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:21 No.965724
    >>965708
    A show of force is the best way to insure peaceful communications.

    Basically, he wasn't going to slaughter them, just put them under martial law.

    Probably.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:26 No.965795
    >>965724
    MMMMHMMM. Probably.

    And so whats happening in Syria, which DIDNT get foreign intervention, those reports of civilians being killed daily are just made up?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5_0vPgm-Xs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOU1TnaFFx4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib3u70yBruw


    These are all Zionist actors, is that it?

    Just fucking admit it, these are BRUTAL DICTATORS that have no problem with killing their own people.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:28 No.965814
    >>965795
    I have no problem with brutal dictatorship in africa, because it seems to be the only one that works.

    Really, I don't care how brutal or bloody a country is, just as long as they don't screw up their economy.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:29 No.965827
    >>965814
    So you both deny that Gadaffi was a brutal dictator that killed his own people and then say you have no problem with brutal dictators that kill their own people?

    Which is it?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:32 No.965856
    >>965795

    As soon as you want to drop those videos of government slaughtering civilians in Libya I'll be happy to watch. The UN observors sure didn't find any. For some reason people in Libya all forgot to use their cellphones until it was time to assasinate Gaddafi I guess.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)13:33 No.965879
    >>965827
    I'm not even the same poster. I think he left to get lunch or something.

    Myself, I don't really know much about Gaddafi. Care to educate me, or at least point me in the right direction?

    Oh, and I don't DENY anything. I merely justify it.
    And yes, I have no problem with brutal dictators that kill their own people, as long as they do it b SOCIAL/GEOGRAPHIC GROUPS and not on an individual basis, because that won't actually fix the problem.


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