Maybe we'll need a few more martyrs before that happens.

who the hell is Scott Olsen and why should i care?

His name was Scott Olsen
His name was Scott Olsen
His name was Scott Olsen
His name was Scott Olsen
His name was Scott Olsen

I certainly hope so, america is a police state so don't expect a bloodless revoltion.

Nah, they're pussies. And if they do something, the more moderates will disappear and the movement will lose any credibility it had.

>>84384
>>Crowd told to disperse multiple times

>>Idiots still refuse to disperse

>>Police warn tear gas will be used

>>Crowd still refuses to disperse

>>Police follow through with tear gas

>>Moron who doesn't obey multiple demands to disperse, gets hurt.

No martyr here, no reason for riots. Someone breaking the law happen to get injured and perhaps dies. No big deal, happens every day. Anyone who riots because of it, should be swiftly and immediately dealt with in the same fashion, if not harsher.

Whether you like it or not, the OWS movement are nothing but agitators and terrorists.

If he dies, the protesters will start throwing things at police and not dispersing when told. Oh wait...

Over 800 people were killed in the Egypt riots. OWS is like a McDonalds PlayPlace compared to them.

give me a break
most of you faggots have been hoping for this shit to turn violet so you can live out your wetdreams of "the people rising up" and Taylor Durdon making sweet anallove to you.

case in point:
>>84403

OWS is now an art festival for Obama voters. Live with it.

RIP Scott Olsen

All he ever wanted to do was get a degree in Feminist Studies and work at a Fortune 500 company. ;_; So sad.

Should have already, judging the US's track record for beating up hippies

Hopefully.

100 years from now the greatest and most violent revolutionary movement of all time begins with the death of Marine Scott Olsen will be in history books everywhere. Shit is about to get real.


Or not. These libtards are pussies and they won't do shit. Guarantee nobody will talk about OWS in a month or two.

You cannot fight armed police officers with "YOUS BE VIOLENT, YOUS BE TAKIN AWAY MAH WEED, YOUS BE HITLER DUDE", because they are armed with actual weapons and will use them. So there will me more whining than anything else.

Those OWS folks are already revolting. They protest a bit, too.

>>84444
>nobody will be talking about OWS in a month or two
They will still be sitting in New York in a month or two.

RIP Scott Olsen

All he ever wanted was to be the next Shepard Fairey and get Obama re-elected.

>>84466
It's called a homeless shelter.
They'll be moved there.

>>84434

OWS are not Obama voters, even though some of them are liberal. Obamas unnaceptable handling of the crisis and allowing the infamous Goldman Sachs and Wall Street bailout while also re-voting the patriot act has made gim very umpopular. Let's face it this uprising is aimed at the banking system thats the root of the evil not puppet politicians.

>>84426
>Police tell people at occupy Tiananmen Square to get out
>They refuse
>They bring in tanks and kill people
>People still bitch about that stupid fucking riot

Fucking hippies.

>>84437

He was a champion for social justice and diversity.

>>84444

The Smithsonian is already collecting some protestor's signs for preservation, so it will be remembered... to what extent remains to be seen.

I wonder what Scott would have done to a group of Iraqis who appeared agitated and violent and who failed to obey commands while on duty in Iraq?

I doubt it would have been simply to use tear gas.

>Average full-time worker makes 30-50k a year.
>Average 1% CEO makes that 50k in a few hours.

>>84426
>are nothing but agitators and terrorists.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/libyan-pm-muammar-gaddafi-calls-protests-a-terrorist-
plot/story-e6frf7jx-1226009247083

Liberals are too much of a pussy to do anything.

I wonder when those anti-state miltant troopsfrom Illinois and Ohio start shooting pig cops, I hope soon.

>>84474

Nope. I'm done. This movement is one of the most dishonest and manipulating movements ever seen. You claim it's apolitical, it's not. You claim it's just about some bailouts, it's not. You claim it's not anti-capitlist and pro-socialist, it is. You claim it's not pro-Obama, it is, or at last, it's "Obama is lesser evil."

Let's face it, this is not an uprising, this is just the Flea Party, the left's attempt to gather it's flock and get Obama re-elected. ACORN and the rest of them where there from the start. Christ, the fag who made Obama's HOPE poster is there! Stop trying to pretend it's something else.

>>84519
If you were trying to counter my point, it's a failure. I didn't agree with NATO or the US getting involved with Libya at all. I believe those people were "rebel scum." I actually feel bad for muammar, to me, he was a martyr.

>>84384
If he dies, its the OWS movements fucking fault you dopey cunts.
Disperse when told to, or shit happens, you fucking disgraceful hippies.

I wonder if his death would piss off military types into violence. Cops vs soldiers would be interesting.

>>84550
I know dude, can you believe the nerve of those protesters trying to help that wounded, unconscious marine? They were clearly communists!

RIP Scott Olsen

All he ever wanted to do was overturn the American govement and make a socialist Utopia where he would be served up a good life in a sliver plate and never worry about anything ever again. Keep dreaming sunshine. ;_; So sad.

>>84562
nevergonnahappen.jpg

>>84562
SEE:
>>84502

Not rocket science here. He's just like one of those fags back in the 60's who comes home from Viet Nam and protests. Was never a true patriot and didn't deserve to wear the uniform in the first place.

>>84569
Wat?

>>84558
>Protest by blindly doing what you're told.

Makes perfect sense!

>>84550

If Obama hitches his wagon to OWS, its nearly guaranteed a loser.

I guess he figures he is gonna lose anyway so what the hell.

> dat video

Hundreds of people calmly walking away from the barricades after tear gas is deployed.

Half a dozen stick around to throw shit at police.

One falls over and hits his head on the pavement.

OMG POLICE BRUTALITY

>>84414
This, you cannot have violent action and public support.

It is why the Anarchists are miserable failures at very G-# summit. The bankers do not come and smash the windows on the store owner's shop. Or vandalize a man just trying to get by in life's car.

Anyone who thinks violence works please go read about the 1968 democratic national convention, the rodney king riots in '92, or the chav cry baby fest of 2011 in london.

>>84574
How the fuck did you take a protest of corruption in washington and wallstreet and equate it with a socialist plot to destroy america?

I didn't realize how conservative this place was.
Bachman 2012 right?

>>84576
Well at least I have a movie idea. 1% here I come!

>>84562
are you 12? Do really see the world so black and white, watching from peanut gallery.

>>84613
That's because liberals have long been out of touch. The majority of people are conservative. Yet, you continued to be "shocked" because you're nothing more than a loud minority.

>>84610

Go ask the protesters. No, don't ask those media and internet trolls who claim to speak for the protesters, doing all they can to define it for you. Trying to tell you have you must see it and what is the wrong way to see it. Go ask the protesters direct, off camera, no reporter in sight.

They'll tell ya, it's all about socialism baby, yeah!

>>84482
bumpetty bump

>>84558
>Disperse when told to, or shit happens, you fucking peasants.

>>84608
>This, you cannot have violent action and public support.

Every major revolution and social change happened through violence. (Even the Civil Rights Movement was violent thanks to the black panthers.)

>>84613

You don't have to be conservative to think OWS is dumb.

Simple, the State militia should protect the rights of these citizens to protest peacefully. Thats why we have them. The cops will surely think twice before using force.

>Not listening to cops
>Get injured as a result
Wow what a big surprise. I've been to protests, you listen to the cops and as long as you do that they don't bother you. Hell they can be nice. Everyone in Oakland who thinks that they can just break the law can be shot and I won't even flinch.

>>84502
FUCK YEAH!
Lets hear it for
Might is Fucking Right
whatever the circumstances

>>84643
>Disperse when told to, or shit happens, you fucking peasants.
>George_III_of_Great_Britain.jpg

>>84613

Lots of libertarians, paleo conservatives, etc.

Most of them recognize the problem with the banks, they just can't see themselves aligning with moveon.org, ACORN, democratic socialists, etc.

>>84637
>It's a communist plot to destroy America i tells ya! I'm taking your future retirement money and giving it to my cronies on wallstreet, and if you have a problem with it, it must be because you're a communist who hates freedom!

>>84641
>implying anyone will think about that and not just bitch about hippies

Thanks anyways anon

>>84384
>americans
>revolting
pffffffffffffffttttt hahahahaha

the two times america saw actual rebellions was when rich people might have become less rich, and you can bet the third time will be the same

his name is Scott Olsen

his name is Scott Olsen

his name is Scott Olsen

his name is Scott Olsen

>>84673

Nope, retard. Can't troll your way out of this one. Go ask them. I dare ya! They are tired of the "old ways" (capitalism) and want something new to replace it (socialism). Go on now, ask them.

>>84660
I didn't say whatever the circumstances straw man.

What part of

>>LARGE GROUP
>>VIOLENT
>>AGITATED
>>FAILING TO OBEY THE COMMANDS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT

Let's conveniently forget who became violent first here, as typical liberal.

do you not comprehend? I realize you probably went to a union run school and everything, but I would think even given that unfortunate circumstance, you would be able to discern when violence is necessary to maintain order.

Yeah, a kid shoves another down on the playground, I say open up the m-16's on them! Fuck yeah!

You're an idiot.

>>84691
>I want washington to stop giving taxpayer dollars to their cronies on wallstreet! That is literally the defininition of socialism!

>>84679

Tank Man is a more iconic image than some douche possibly tripping over his own feet. I'm amazed that with as many cameras as OWS seems to have they only ever manage to capture people doing dumb shit.

(Although TBH, the main thing I remember about this video is that girl with the bike smiling at everyone. You can't even see the dude falling.)

>>84657
>>84657
>>84657
>>84657
>>84657
>>84657
>>84657

WHERES THE MILITIA!????!!!!!

>>84707

RIP Scott Olsen

All he ever wanted to do was to have his loans cancelled so that he could get a new loan and buy that IPad. And some of those really hip Jeans.

Okay, so the Oakland police used rubber bullets, tear gas, riot gear, the whole shebang. And one US military veteran, who served two terms in Iraq with no injury, was hit in the head with a rubber bullet and is in hospital in critical condition. With a fractured skull and swollen brain.

Now the Oakland police are trying to deny using any of those things, despite the MOUNTAIN of video and photo evidence to the contrary! Why? Because it turns out that according to their own regulations, Oakland police were using tactics they were forbidden to use!

>>84705

You must feel alone when standing on the streets.

>>84691
I'm like 99% sure you're trolling, but i thought i'd ask anyway.

Are you for real, bro?

>>84644
The Black Panthers started there march to obscurity in '69 once they became violence finally disappearing in '82. The success of Civil Rights was not won by the barrel of a gun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party#Violence

You cannot go toe to toe with American military might and win. Try see what happens it worked so well for the Black Liberation army. It is why the south is a self-governing black country. Right?

>>84717
Here is the link for their PDF on crowd control.

http://www.clearinghouse.net/chDocs/public/PN-CA-0018-0021.pdf

See pages 16 and 17

>2. Uses of Direct Fired Specialty Impact Less-Lethal Munitions (SIM).. Direct Fired SIM are less–lethal specialty impact weapons that are designed to be direct fired at a specific target, including but not limited to flexible batons (“bean bags”), and shall not be used for crowd management, crowd control or crowd dispersal during demonstrations or crowd events. Direct Fired SIM may never be used indiscriminately against a crowd or group of persons even if some members of the crowd or group are violent or disruptive.

>a. Direct Fired SIM may be used against a specific individual who is engaging in conduct that poses an immediate threat of loss of life or serious bodily injury to himself or herself, officers, or the general public or who is engaging in substantial destruction of property which creates an imminent risk to the lives or safety of other persons. In such instances, Direct Fired SIM shall be used only when other means of arrest are unsafe and when the individual can be targeted without endangering other crowd members or bystanders (See Special Order No. 8135 enacted April 15, 2004.).
>[…]h. Members shall not discharge a Direct Fired SIM at a person’s head, neck, throat, face, left armpit, spine, kidneys, or groin unless deadly force would be justified.

>>84724
And on Page 17, section H:

>H. Aerosol Hand–held Chemical Agents
>Aerosol, hand–held, pressurized, containerized chemical agents that emit a stream shall not be used for crowd management, crowd control, or crowd dispersal during demonstrations or crowd events. Aerosol hand held chemical agents may not be used indiscriminately against a crowd or group of persons, but only against specific individuals who are engaged in specific acts of serious unlawful conduct or who are actively resisting arrest.

>Members shall use the minimum amount of the chemical agent necessary to overcome the subject’s resistance. Officers must be familiar with OPD Training Bulletin V-F.2, “Use of Oleoresin Capsicum,” and, specifically, the risk factors associated with aerosol chemical agents and the treatment for individuals subjected to them. Aerosol chemical agents shall not be used in a demonstration or crowd situation or other civil disorders without the approval of a supervisor or command officer. When possible, persons should be removed quickly from any area where hand–held chemical agents have been used. Members shall monitor the subject and pay particular attention to the subject’s ability to breathe following the application of OC. As soon as practical, members and employees shall obtain professional medical treatment for all persons who have had OC applied to them. Paramedics in the field may administer treatment if no other medical treatment is required. If paramedics are not available in a timely manner, subjects shall be transported to a hospital for treatment within 45 minutes of the application of OC.

>A subject who has been sprayed with hand–held chemical agents shall not be left lying on his/her stomach once handcuffed or restrained with any other device.

>>84720

I am. Real flesh and blood too.

>>84730
tldr Oakland police broke the law with the tactics they used, and because of that a military vet is in critical condition with a fractured skull and swollen brain.

And if you're honestly okay with that because 'Everyone who isn't old and protesting is a hippie AND I FUCKING HATE HIPPIES', then you need to take a long, hard look in the mirror. Preferably without walking away saying "Hey, there's something wrong with this mirror!"

>>84705
Luled. That's like saying

I want to walk up to the police and shoot him in the face with a twelve gauge shotgun. that is literally the definition of piece protest.

or throwing a flash bang into a group of people trying to help and injured man is the literal definition of good policing

>>84722
Violence is only a last resort. Violence become an un-appealing option once protesters were given equality under the law and were able to voice their opinions in a peaceful and democratic manner.

It's only when protesters are denied their right to assemble and peacefully voice their opinions that violence starts becoming a last resort.

>>84738
Actually no one would care if he was a minority.

But now that he's part of our precious SUPPORT OUR TROOPS military people might.

>>84724
>>84730
>>84736

Can we see your law degree and licence? Mr Lawyer.

>>84724

> Direct Fired SIM may be used against a specific individual who is engaging in conduct that poses an immediate threat of loss of life or serious bodily injury to himself or herself, officers, or the general public...

Olson was among the protesters throwing things at the police, including throwing tear gas back at them. I'm not saying he personally thew anything (I don't know that), but even in the highly edited video clip you can see the other people up near the barricades were.

America you ain't getting out of this one. This time the masses are angry.And these are mostly just middle class college kids. Wait untill the lower stratas get on the street. Not even the national guard is gonna save you.

>>84756

They wouldn't let me into law school because my grades weren't good enough.
I am the 99%.

>>84715
you hate the troops he was a two tour vet. you have never left goldman sex offices

>>84691
Yeah, um, i'm not seeing how disagreeing with how the wallstreet bailouts were handled automatically makes somebody a communist.

Try again, Joe McCarthy.

WAKE UP WHITE PEOPLE

>>84750

> into a group of people trying to help and injured man

It does not take 10-15 people rushing towards the barricade to help an injured man. Only *ONE* of them even *TRIED* to signal to the police that he was injured. The rest just crowded around him, some with cameras out. To the police it just looked like 10-15 people grouping together instead of leaving the area as they had just done.

>>84763
>engaging in conduct that poses an immediate threat of loss of life or serious bodily injury

Because cops in riot gear are under this threat by protestors throwing stuff they picked form the street.

>>84807

So it's fair game to throw shit at cops if you think it won't hurt them?

>>84763
show me proof as a republician would say

>>84786

Hey, guess what? I'm a against the wall street bailouts too. I think the whole freakin' system is broken. Honestly. But the reason why I'm not out there protesting with OWS, is because they're pro-Goverment and pro-socalists.

What's so goddamn hard to understand, kid? We can agree on the problem and disagree on the solution.

>>84804
>It's the protesters fault we threw a flashbang at an unconscious, wounded marine because too many of them were trying to help him!

>>84756
I don't need to be a fucking lawyer to see this.

Look at the PDF I linked. This is in their own rulebook, and the mountain of video and photo evidence shows that they broke those rules.

You don't need to be a fucking lawyer to figure that out.

>>84818

Proof of what? That there were protesters in the same group throwing shit at police? IT'S IN THE SAME VIDEO CLIP

ITT: Sheeple, disapproving the right of other citizens.

The only hippies i see, are most of you. At least most of these people are trying to do something about the corruption in this country. Not bitch in front of a computer.

>>84807
Uh just because they're in riot gear doesn't make them Iron Man. Rocks and other heavy things can still hurt them.

>>84804
>These uneducated and shocked civilians weren't following logical protocol that I have discerned from my hindsight, thus they deserved a flashbang to their faces.

Take the police's dick out of your mouth.

>>84825
>hipster irony is hipster irony

What the hell is wrong with you people? supporting the state cracking down on protesters and police brutality?

The right to protest and free speech is something that is supposed to be sacred to American's, yet all you jaded fucks just want to rag on people who want to try get the people's voices heard because "DUUUR WE ARE INTERNET TOUGH GUYS! DUUR"

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10?op=1

This should explain what the protests are about you fucking retards, it isn't about socialism or feminist shit or about getting Obama back in power, it's about major political corruption that allows Corporations to do whatever the fuck they want without consequence.

>>84819
>I'm not out there protesting with OWS

That's fine, that's your right. You don't have to be out in the streets to show your opposition to how the bailouts were handled.

>they're pro-Goverment and pro-socalists

You just went full-retard Joe McCarthy style. Never go full retard.

>>84829
Oh I didn't know that it was my right as an American to fuck with cops. I guess I'll punch the next cop who pulls me over.

>>84825

Yes, actually. I agree 100% with that statement. They made a dumb mistake in that situation. The ONE guy that actually tried to signal to the police that a man was injured did the right thing. The TEN PEOPLE that wanted to get a picture and stupidly assumed that someone had magically declared a "time out" were fucking stupid gawkers and caused more harm than good.

Don't tell me those 10 people were all trained in first aid, either. They had no business there.

Set aside the meaning of the protest for a minute and think about what the correct and safe thing to do in that situation was. It was not what they did. If they chose to not do the safe thing and someone got hurt, it's their mistake.

>>84384

hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>84843

Pol listens to Rush Limbaugh everyday so there's no getting through to them.

>>84849
>>84849
Awesome argument! You really made a good point and made me rethink my entire shit there.

Also, let me ask you something, just out of bleeding dick curiosity, why aren't you going to Tea Party protests? Waiiit, are you pro-biggovement or out of control spedning!??? ... or perhaps you don't want to join up with those people for other reasons, uhmmm?

>>84843
Nope.

>>84843
You can protest all you want, I've protested. But you're not allowed to just live in little hippy tents smoking pot for as long as you want.

>>84852

If they impede your constitutional rights, then you are suppose to defend them.

>>84827

of the fact he was. and the other where throwing anything but the gas canister that were fired at them

>>84839

> weren't following logical protocol

Exactly. They did something dumb. I don't care what your politics are. If you're going to be in the streets throwing shit and running back and forth trying to resist the police trying to move you out of an area, you need to not do dumb shit like have a dozen people with no medical training crowding around someone to take his picture when the police are actively trying to get you to disperse.

Scott Olsen? Isen't he that eat his own partents?

No wounder he was so pissed off.

>>84859
>If you're not first aid certified and you try to help an unconscious person, then it gives me the right to throw a flashbang in your face! That will surely help the situation!

>>84895
>hipster irony is hipster irony

Hey guys help me out a bit here, I stumbled across your anthem or something like that, but I'm missing the parts after this "The land of the...".
So what goes after? Cowardly? Lazy?

No really help me out here guys.

Since when do you need to be a doctor to know that somebody who is unconscious and bleeding in the streets needs help?

And since when is it approved protocol to throw flashbangs at unconscious marines and the people who are trying to drag them away from the tear gas?

>The Oakland police department (OPD) has long been one of the most controversial urban law enforcement agencies in America, with a string of high-profile criminal and brutality allegations going back decades.

Douchebag cops will be douchebag cops.

>>84883

I never said he was, because I don't know if he was. But I do know that what you see in the video is the small number of people who didn't move back, and many of them were throwing stuff. The video doesn't show Olsen long enough or clearly enough to know exactly what he was doing. He may have provoked the police. He may not have. It's at least plausible.

> anything but the gas canister that were fired at them

Why is throwing gas canisters at police supposed to be permissible?

>>84907

"...Free."

Like freedom. Like to do anything you want, whenever you want it! No rules! No law!!!

Or wait.

>>84916
But don't you see, by trying to help somebody other than themselves, the protestors were proving that they were communists! A true American supports capitalism, and would only be interested in helping themselves, not other people!

Therefore, the protesters must be communists who hate our freedom. Case closed. Woman logic!

>>84852
You didn't? The only way we stay free as a society is if you smash cops when they try to violate your rights

>>84859
dude your in the middle of a police riot. the cops are attacking people all roads and you see someone go down beside the police lines and they stand there like dicks scratching their balls. so you go ove to see it he is ok. 9 other people do the same as none of you are not paramilitary trained, and number of people call are you ok in some shock one calls to the cops for help. a cop sulks off behind his friends and then throws a stinger grenade into the people trying to help as the cops are till standing there doing nothing.

his name is Scott Olsen

his name is Scott Olsen

>>84940
Nope they're all hippies cuz my stormfag friends say so

>>84927
More hipster irony. It's like a trend in this thread.

>>84949
More hipster irony.

What is this...?

>>84859
So they were supposed to just leave him bleeding and unconscious in the middle of a cloud of tear gas with no respirator?

Because they weren't trained doctors?

>>84895

1. Helping an unconscious person does not involve pointing your camera at him or gawking as other people help him. Look at the number of people that ran up to him. They were not all helping him, and not all of them seemed to even intend to help him. With the exception of ONE GUY, none of them made any attempt to ensure it was safe to approach. Like I said: they did more harm than good by intentionally crowding in a situation where the police were dispersing a crowd.

2. The police have the right to disperse a crowd in accordance with the law. It sucks that someone got injured. It really does. But that doesn't mean people get a free pass for making stupid mistakes in that situation.

>>84920
because they threw them first... it was just giving them back. and is throwing them back not protected by the second amendment

>>84968
>But that doesn't mean people get a free pass for making stupid mistakes in that situation.

Like throwing a flashbang at an unconscious marine?

>>84859

>See person riding bike go flying over their handlebars
>Badly injured, blood everywhere
>Whelp I'm not a government approved paramedic
>Continue walking as if nothing happened

Statist logic at it's finest

OWS is decades too early. The damage isn't evident to most of the middle class yet. It's of course a shame that there isn't interest now that the process could still be reversed, but if the economic apocalypse is what it takes to get people moving, I can deal with that.

>Black man breaks law
>Runs at police officers
>Gets beaten
>People riot

Even if the man was the one who started it, it can still erupt into a total shit storm

>>84940

> so you go ove to see it he is ok.

Great! The FIRST GUY is great. He was already standing there. I like him. He signaled to the police. He was smart.

> 9 other people do the same as none of you are not paramilitary trained

No. They did so because they were dumb.

>>84964

> So they were supposed to just leave him bleeding and unconscious in the middle of a cloud of tear gas with no respirator?

I didn't say anything even remotely like that. You are distorting my words because you think I'm arguing over politics. I am not. I am saying these people made a stupid mistake in their handling of that situation.

OWS is racists anyway.
Mostly white people, so it's racist.
I learned that from MSNBC.

And I don't care about racists. Fuck 'em.

>>84919
Did the department of justice every declare them a threat to public safety, though? Because if not, NOPD has them beat.

>>84968
did you even watch the video? most people are running up to him in a panic... what untrained people do when someone is hurt. they just get there and a douche goes behind the police line and from there throws a stinger grenade into the crowd of people, one with a camera, not hard to see dude

>>84859
>The TEN PEOPLE that wanted to get a picture and stupidly assumed that someone had magically declared a "time out" were fucking stupid gawkers and caused more harm than good.

I'm looking at multiple videos of the event, and the only people i'm seeing with cameras are way in the back, nowhere near the wounded guy. Could you please show me what the hell you're talking about? Because i'm not seeing that in the videos.

These are the kind of hippies that support these commie movements
http://www.youtube.com/user/Anonymous32000

>>85042
WeAreChange.org still trying to troll 4chan.

>Wall street commits massive fraud, tax evasion etc.
No one is punished, government does everything to prop them up

>people protesting where govt. doesn't want them to.
SHOOT THEM IN THE FACE

>>85022
> I am saying these people made a stupid mistake in their handling of that situation.

You're saying that they made the mistake of trying to help an injured man.

Don't you think the more harmful mistake was to shoot a gas canister into the head of a marine and then throw a flashbang at his unconscious, bleeding body? But no, criticizing that would make too much sense. Let's focus more on those MEDICALLY UNTRAINED people who dared to try to help an injured unconscious person lying amongst clouds of tear gas.

>>84991

> Like throwing a flashbang at an unconscious marine?

Let's get one thing absolutely clear: the police did not throw a flashbang at the guy on the ground. The police threw a flashbang at the crowd of people that formed.

Had they not formed a crowd, or at least done the smart thing and signaled their intentions to the police, then they would not have had a flashbang thrown at them.

>>84994

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that ten non-medics rushing up to take pictures in a riot situation is a mistake.

>>85084
where is the video? i want to see the hipster get shoot in the face

I'm kind of surprised by how many interpretations there are of what the OWS movement is about... It really depends on your political standing and your life story, I guess.

>>85072
DUDE!!!

You forgot the police were standing looking at him 10 foot from their lines and done nothing to assist... that's kind of important

>>85092

The "hipster" is a U.S.Marine veteran, you clown.

>>85022
>No. They did so because they were dumb.


You are a fucking idiot.

Trained paramedic here.

People naturally run up and help, it's in human nature to help another person in trouble (in fact recent evolutionary science has basically ousted the selfish gene as bullshit and said that cooperation is one of the building blocks of life).

What you saw here is called the lemming scenario, people will run up and help without realizing the danger they have put themselves in because it's a reactionary thing to do that is hardwired into every one of us.

A good example is say someone passed out, someone will see that person and run up, but they will pass out, the next person will run up and pass out, the next and next and next, hence the "lemming" term, I have seen up to 6 people get killed from it because people simply don't think in an emergency situation and without training it's going to happen to anybody.

You can sit here on the internet and say "yeah well they should have done this blah blah" but in a real life emergency scenario you get tunnel vision and start focusing on one thing, notice how they didn't even know a fucking grenade was thrown into the middle of them?

If you want to see the lemming sydnrome in perfect action, watch the Sarin gas attack tokyo security footage, people just running up to help then dying.. and no one stopping to realize that everyone running to help is dead.

>>85084
yes cause assembly is illegal in america.

Free Flash bangs for The Democratic conference

>>85109
y w hatin on the selfish gene?

>>85084
>The police threw a flashbang at the crowd of people that formed.

Formed around a bleeding unconscious guy on the ground, they were trying to drag him away from the tear gas. The cops SAW the guy, they SAW that they were trying to help him. That cop was well aware that there was an injured person laying on the ground right where he was going to throw that nade. But he did it anyway.

That's incompetence at best, and straight up sadistic at worst.

>>85107
I do not belive that you're a trained paramedic.

Just wanted to point that out.

>ITT Hipsters defending communists breaking the law and trying to blame the police for doing their job correctly.

I'm surprised they even picked up the guy and didn't just grab his iphone and rush it out of there to a "apple genius" for an emergency checkup.

>>85118

when i play battlefield 3 sometimes i accidentaly throw a grenade when i mean to use my knive. i think its an honest mistake.

>>85109
>in fact recent evolutionary science has basically

NO! YOU DICK! don't say that. the republicans will have something else to use as a talking point to deflect the point from a vet getting hit in the head by a 40mm grenade.

Never mention evolutions when we have republicans in the room

>>84702

Evolution is false fucker.

>>85036

> did you even watch the video?

Yes. Fuck you for even trying to suggest that I haven't.

> most people are running up to him in a panic...

Panic is when people make stupid mistakes.

> what untrained people do when someone is hurt.

These same people just seconds before had retreated from the same area. That didn't take training. Why did they suddenly decide that it was safe? Answer: because they made a dumb mistake.

> they just get there and a douche goes behind the police line and from there throws a stinger grenade into the crowd of people, one with a camera, not hard to see dude

I don't understand what you're disputing. Yes, a guy threw a flashbang into the crowd. Because it was a fucking crowd of people in an area they had been told to leave.

>>84859

> I'm looking at multiple videos of the event, and the only people i'm seeing with cameras are way in the back, nowhere near the wounded guy.

You are completely full of shit, and I am not about to walk you through a fucking frame by frame when you're dodging the point, which is that none of them but the very first guy (who has a camera) made ANY effort to ensure safety.

>>85143

Please people stop responding to this guy. If you can't see that he's trolling you then you shouldn't even be here.

>>85143
You said 10-15 ran up to the wounded guy with cameras. I'm not seeing that in the video. Why are you making shit up?

>>85109

Amazing how trained paramedics just appear suddenly and then demonstrate no evidence that they are trained paramedics.

>>85118

> That cop was well aware that there was an injured person laying on the ground

Are you sure you're not making an assumption based on pre-existing biases and stereotypes?

I hope he dies so we can get some hippies vs police action where the police can use more force to shut those fuckers up.

>>85143
>See a protest
>I'm in charge, so i get to tell people what to do
>Tell people they need to stop protesting because i said so
>People keep protesting
>Shoot them in the face and tell them it's their fault for not obeying my orders

DICTATOR LOGIC

Dude, there's nothing to say! Let it go.

First of all, the function of a SWAT unit isn't Law enforcement and civil service. They don't understand basic civil rights and don't know how communicate with people external to their command structure. They're practically public guards or military combatants.

Secondly, police officers are brutal. When they're done talking or don't want to talk, but need a subject to comply, they'll strike and injure a belligerent person, calling it self defense.

While SOP is fairly universal, police in one State and jurisdition-level may be trained differently from police in another. The ones who aren't trained to communicate civilly and politely with words, communicate uncivilly with force, threats thereof or threats of legal action. They typically lack the gift of gab had by the elected officials at the top of their chain of command.

The elected officials should be interviewing the crowd or parts thereof before sicking the dogs (the pigs) on them, whenever the crowd control FORCE has no sense of civics.

So what?
Police brutality is normal, FYI.

Nothing will change, unless a good child gets hurt, and unless a pattern of such becomes evident.

>>85174

>Amazing how trained paramedics just appear suddenly and then demonstrate no evidence that they are trained paramedics.

Because we have to prove our credentials on a fucking anonymous image board? Not that guy, but fuck you all the same

History repeats itself.

>>85219
U wish.
Commies will never succeeded in America.

Pro-tip: Buy a gun or two.

>>85182
time will come when police will their weapons against oligarchy

>>85166

> You said 10-15 ran up to the wounded guy with cameras.

I think I understand. You mistook me as meaning they ALL had cameras. I am saying 1) there are 10-15 people crowding around him, and 2) at least some of them have their cameras out to take pictures. Others are simply gawking. The point is that it wasn't "people helping" it was "a couple people trying to help + many more people just looking". More importantly: they did nothing to ensure that it was safe to re-enter the area that they had just left.

They mistakenly assumed that that police all knew the guy on the ground was hurt and that the police would not oppose them if they all approached and formed a crowd.

>>85164

I don't understand how I'm supposedly trolling. I'm just saying that the protesters did stupid stuff.

I am not saying:
- that anybody deserved to be hurt
- that I agree or disagree with their politics
- that I have any high regard for police in general

I do have a high regard for the notion of personal responsibility, regardless of a person's politics. When I see people make stupid mistakes and them blame them on others (e.g. the police being "sadistic"), I cringe.

>>85219
Not really.

The police aren't using lethal force.
Just "accidently lethal (oopsie daisy)" force.

>>85233
not as long as they're getting paid

>>85143
You're a Dick!

You're a Dick!

You're a Dick! You're a Dick!

You're a Dick!

But here we go

>Yes. Fuck you for even trying to suggest that I haven't.

see

>You are completely full of shit, and I am not about to walk you through a fucking frame by frame when you're dodging the point, which is that none of them but the very first guy (who has a camera) made ANY effort to ensure safety.

most of them have only got to him when the flashbang is thrown, by the cop skulking off

>Panic is when people make stupid mistakes.

true i think it may be why a cop threw a flash bang at an injured man

>These same people just seconds before had retreated from the same area. That didn't take training. Why did they suddenly decide that it was safe? Answer: because they made a dumb mistake.

no cause they noticed a man down and went back to retrieve him

>i don't understand what you're disputing. Yes, a guy threw a flashbang into the crowd. Because it was a fucking crowd of people in an area they had been told to leave.

I'm saying if it is so normal and ok why does he leave the front line before throwing the Stinger. you see him skulk off and throw it. so why not just stay in the front line if you have done nothing wrong
>>84859
>You are completely full of shit, and I am not about to walk you through a fucking frame by frame when you're dodging the point, which is that none of them but the very first guy (who has a camera) made ANY effort to ensure safety.

See

>Yes. Fuck you for even trying to suggest that I haven't.

>>85241
ah, yes, personal responsibility is great, isn't it? Except the fact of the matter is the people who went to HELP an injured man shouldn't have to expect a fucking flashbang landing right in front of them.

>>85231
The bolsheviks would have never come to power in Russia if the stupid Russian police hadn't decided to start shooting protesters. Gaddahfi might still be in power today if he hadn't ordered his men to tear gas and fire on protesters.

When you deny people a way to freely and legally express their opinions in public, you leave them with the only option of illegally expressing their opinions in public.

Again, history repeats itself.

>>85248

The problem with "less lethal" weapons is that because they are less dangerous, people (both using them and being opposed with them) take them less seriously and you end up with situations like this where (depending on your POV) either:
- the cops fucked up and killed someone with them, or:
- the rioters fucked up by not backing the fuck up when the use of force was authorized

>>85262

> true i think it may be why a cop threw a flash bang at an injured man

A minute ago you said the cop was sadistic. Now you're saying he might have panicked?

>>85287
no i'm being a sarcastic cunt... you get that with my people it's in the blood

>>85241
>More importantly: they did nothing to ensure that it was safe to re-enter the area that they had just left.

How about the next time you walk down the street you get shot in the dick. It will be your fault for not checking to make sure it was safe enough!

>They mistakenly assumed that that police all knew the guy on the ground was hurt

First of all, the cops knew that guy was hurt. Second of all, even if they didn't know the guy was hurt, that doesn't make it the protester's fault that the cops decided to throw a flashbang. I live in a cool place called "reality" where we hold the guy who throws a flashbang responsible for where it lands and who is hurt by it.

>I do have a high regard for the notion of personal responsibility

Then why hold the protesters responsible for a guy who was shot in the face and then had his unconscious body flashbanged? Why not hold the individual who fired the shot and threw the grenade responsible? You claim to believe in personal responsibility, but you blame everybody except for the cop who actually injured somebody!

i wish I could bet on a future index.

The future index would be:

bank of america building in flames.

>>85287
I'm not him.

>>85280
Yeah right, try running straight at a pain ray machine that's turned on.

>>85269

> the people who went to HELP an injured man shouldn't have to expect a fucking flashbang landing right in front of them

You're acting as if their intentions changed the safety of the situation. It does not.

They were in the middle of a riot. They had just willingly retreated down the street because it was unsafe to remain where they were. I repeat: they had just willingly retreated down the street because it was unsafe to remain where they were. That is where Olson was injured. I'll repeat that, too: that is where Olson was injured.

In a situation where you have just vacated an area because it was unsafe AND a person has just been injured in that same area, is it not correct to at least TRY to ensure the safety of yourself and the person you're trying to aid before approaching?

Is it not a rash and evidently mistaken assumption to assume that your intention (to help) can magically and instantaneously change the unsafe area you just left into a safe area?

it's kind of lulzy because if a revolt does happen the majority of Americans will be on the side of the police

this is just a very vocal minority, not the majority


see the hippy movement

>>85319
i think dick boy fucked off cause he realised how much of a dick he looked... you know cause he was a dick and all

>>85346
>try to ensure the safety of the person you're trying to aid

They did that. And they had a flashbang thrown at them. I don't know where you live, but in my country "USA", our cops aren't allowed to throw flash bangs at the injured.

>>85346

>It's the woman's fault she was raped, she knowingly went into a high-crime area!!!

The law pushes because they think they are up against a bunch of smelly peace loving liberals who won't fight back. They are very wrong.

>>85385
someone got raped too.. Fuck what is wrong with the OPD

No. Americans are pussy, they love having guns to compensate their tiny dick, but cant do shit of their own.

The policeman probably thought the protestors were going to cannabalize the innocent U.S. Marine, so that's why they threw the grenade

>>85397
You are so retarded that you should probably consider killing yourself. I'm not even kidding. I hope you were trolling because that has got to be the stupidest response I have seen in a long time.

>>85403
Cool English, bro.

>usa citizens exercising the 1st amendment

FUCKING DIRTY HIPPIES!
I HOPE THE COPS MAKE THEM EXTINCT!

> stay classy americunts

there may come a time when you yourself will want to protest

>>85403
>>85415
>yuropoors are still awake
it's way past your bedtime

>>85346
They know that, but they were trying to help the guy! I'm a fucking volunteer lifesaver, I went to help a guy in 6 foot swell once (which is fucking massive) and I could have knocked myself out if I fucked up and then died, but I accepted the risk and went for it. Because he would have died without me going out there. They were trying to help him, and they get rewarded with a flashbang. What kind of a fucked up world are we living in when the guy who threw the fucking flashbang is being defended because the people he threw it at were "stupid"

>>85346
>They had just willingly retreated down the street because it was unsafe to remain where they were.

Gee wiz, why do you suppose that area had suddenly become unsafe? Could it have anything to do with the cops who started shooting rubber bullets, tear gas, and flashbangs?

I am a dictator. You don't like me. I start dropping bombs on your house. Your house is now an "unsafe" area that you "willingly" leave to avoid being murdered by me. Your child runs back towards the house to save the family dog, and gets hurt. You rush back to help your kid, and i drop a bomb on you. It's your fault for "willingly" returning to an "unsafe" area. Not my fault for causing the "unsafe" area in the first place.

DICTATOR LOGIC

>>85433
typical americunt, cant into timezones.

>>85433
It's early in the afternoon in europe.

Stay classy, USA.

>>85412
>>85412
why.. cause i love you blue anonamoose and want to have gay bum sex with your face

>>85438
>You rush back to help your kid

BUT WAIT, AM I A TRAINED PARAMEDIC?

Remember, if i'm not, then according to dictator logic i deserve to be bombed!

>>84426
Well aren't you just the worst kind of person.

>>85319

> How about the next time you walk down the street you get shot in the dick. It will be your fault for not checking to make sure it was safe enough!

Surely you can acknowledge that remaining in an area where police have begun deploying tear gas in an effort to get people to leave is a riskier choice than simply walking down a typical neighborhood street.

> First of all, the cops knew that guy was hurt.

I don't think you can assume that. Even the other protesters did not immediately recognize that he had fallen. There are several people right next to him that continue walking, oblivious. I don't think it's fair to assume the police knew he was injured, or if so, how injured.

> Second of all, even if they didn't know the guy was hurt, that doesn't make it the protester's fault that the cops decided to throw a flashbang.

You're confusing two issues.
- The guy throwing the flashbang is responsible for throwing the flashbang. To be entirely clear: the police are responsible for the situation being unsafe in the first place, but they were there lawfully.
- The protesters are responsible doing nothing to ensure the situation was safe. They could have tried to signal to the police. One did. The rest didn't.

>mfw get hit in the face with 40mm nade,
>fall down and go booboo
>evil hippies come to rob me of my soul
>nice cop helps by going into pocket for a flash bang nade.
>spagetti falls out of pocket onto floor.
>slip on spaghetti and fall further injuring my head
>evil hippies gather round me chanting and making drum circles
>hippys turn to spaghetti
>no sauce
>cranial swelling and coma so can not feel embarrassed.
>win
>cops through a flash bang

mfw it is my fault that cop threw flash bang.
mfw i have no face as it was blew off by a 40mm nade

>>85319

(continued)

> I live in a cool place called "reality" where we hold the guy who throws a flashbang responsible for where it lands and who is hurt by it.

In reality, many things are more complicated than that, and the blame lies with many different parties. For instance: had the police not even had flashbangs, that would have prevented it. But so too, had the protesters communicated their intentions to the police before rushing in, that would have prevented it.

> Then why hold the protesters responsible for a guy who was shot in the face and then had his unconscious body
flashbanged?

Again, let's be clear: they did not flashbang his body. They flashbanged a crowd that rushed in. And I am only holding the protesters responsible for not doing their part to ensure the situation was safe before attempting to give aid. (This is, in fact, a part of any first aid course.)

> Why not hold the individual who fired the shot and threw the grenade responsible? You claim to believe in personal responsibility, but you blame everybody except for the cop who actually injured somebody!

I am doing no such thing. I am only pointing out that the protesters made mistakes in their handling of the situation.

They are fucking tools, all these hippies, activists, vegans, fags, feminists serve one purpose, to tear down the institutions of society, then when revolution does come, they will be purged for being potential counter-revolutionaries.

They will be killed because once the regime they praise does come, it will eliminate any potential competition for its own monopoly on power.

Hell, even Stalin referred the the majority of the people as "the stuffing in the mattress."

Edit: When I was 14 years old I was a huge liberal and a big fan of Israel. The older I grew the more I realized that my positions regarding those matters were not based on careful consideration but on parroting whatever liberal opinion-leader was declaring. They just made me feel very smart about my opinion and superior to people who couldn't express their opinions properly or who had a different world-view.

>>85540
i'm glad you worked that out at 16

>>85521
> the police are responsible for the situation being unsafe in the first place, but they were there lawfully.

It's already been proven that the police were using unlawful tactics. Tactics that are banned in their own code of conduct. The police were being unlawful, and need to be held accountable for it.

>Surely you can acknowledge that remaining in an area where police have begun deploying tear gas in an effort to get people to leave is a riskier choice than simply walking down a typical neighborhood street.

But why did you go for a stroll down a dangerous street without wearing bulletproof underwear? Clearly it was your fault somebody shot you in the dick!

> I don't think it's fair to assume the police knew he was injured, or if so, how injured.

Therefore, it is fair for them to throw a flashbang into the crowd?

Oh hey murricans, you better support the corparatocracy, otherwise people will think you're a lazy welfare sponger or an idiot who can't borrow responsibly.

>stay classy murricans

>>85535
>>85521
the polices actions were unconstitutional and against the spirit of the declaration of independence

>>85576

youre not important foreign fag

>>85377

> They did that.

They did not. There is one guy who tries to signal to police. The others simply assumed that the situation was safe. Would you not agree that that one guy had a good idea?

>>85385

No. I am saying that if you run out of your house because it's burning down, you should not go back in until the fire is out.

>>85436

> They know that, but they were trying to help the guy!

> I accepted the risk and went for it.

This is personal responsibility in action.

> They were trying to help him, and they get rewarded with a flashbang.

This is not.

> What kind of a fucked up world are we living in when the guy who threw the fucking flashbang is being defended because the people he threw it at were "stupid"

I'm not "defending" anybody. I am saying:
- the protesters made mistakes that made the situation worse than it could have been, and that I think it would be good if people acknowledged that instead of always treating the protesters as helpless victims
- the guy that threw it does not appear (to me) to have intended to strike an injured person, but rather, to disperse a crowd (as evidence I cite the fact that he did no throw anything until the crowd had formed) -- I'm not "defending" him in saying that, I'm just saying that's what I see when I look at the video.

>>85634
>There is one guy who tries to signal to police

So how many fucking people are legally required to signal police that there's a bleeding unconscious marine lying in the street in order to not have flashbangs thrown at them? 2? 3? Please, enlighten me.

> if you run out of your house because it's burning down, you should not go back in until the fire is out.

And we're saying that we shouldn't have cops going around burning people's houses down in the first place.

2011 and still using the word hippie to describe protesters? This isn't 1967 anymore guys...

>>85717
Exactly. The word is "Hipsters." Learn to use it.

what can a person do that warrants a rubber bullet to the face?