If you look long enough at that picture the lanes move

>and what will happen to American cities and suburbs that can not get around any other way except the car on the freeway?

>>779709

would a military style mobilization of industry to construct and manufacture get it done in a just a couple years/a decade?
or would you all be bogged down in your usual squabbling and turning it into a political hatchet job

>the Free Market can not deny thermodynamics
fucking statist and your regulations

America has an incredible amount of natural gas that would propel electrical productions and new transportation systems. They have the richest known supplies in the world. Also, tar-sand oil is quite plentiful in man areas and is becoming more and more cost effective to extract.

America is sitting better than the rest of the world when it comes to variety and amounts of energy options. They'll be fine until the next wave of travel technologies come along.

>>779763
>tar-sand
>cost effective

that's bullshit, it only seems that way because the prime reserves are all gone, and only now do the oil companies want to go after shit that nobody would have touched 30 years ago.

and then there's also the fact that its extremely environmentally damaging. If you have been paying attention to the debates its clear where our environmental protection will go once oil gets expensive

pointless conjecture

>>779763
>natural gas
only ~50 years of reserves
yes, lets burn it all in cars
tar sands is plentiful
but in difficult to reach and work in terrain and bring back to market
and it requires a lot of refining
all this means greater cost
I covered this
>As we turn increasingly to difficult to access and refine oil reserves as the easily accessible can no longer meet demand prices will slowly and inexorably rise
>As we turn increasingly to difficult to access and refine oil reserves
>They'll be fine until the next wave of travel technologies come along.
train was invented over a century ago bro, most everyone knows about them and how they work

>>779787
its not if you live there

Yeah, its called peak oil among resource geologists OP, but the uber globalist elites like to call it "globalular warmings", or "climates changing".
Either way, there is going to be serious hydro carbon control in your lifetime, its a tough call, got milk? I am saving up for a cow or 2 myself.
Seriously, how are the armies of minimum wage service sector employees going to make it to work when gas hits even $10 a gallon?

>>779778

Yes it is clearly more and more cost effective. The depletion and location of standard reserves has driven the technological advancements and driven the price of extraction down exponentially versus where it was a decade ago. The environmental impacts are overblown if you pay any attention to the actual science. Same with fracking for shale gas. The US is entering a boom-time of self sufficient energy production. Visit western Pennsylvania, for example, and you'll see the effects firsthand.

>>779720
at least the individuals have the power to resist criminals. in an authoritarian heaven, the law abiding citizen would be helpless against his attackers, and his attackers often would be police

>>779814
Fucking live near your place of work and walk.

I've never understood suburbia, you spend 4 hours of each working day of your life commuting for a garden, a few extra rooms you rarely use and a huge mortgage.

>>779837
That won't work in America though because our rural and non-inner city transit infrastructures suck fucking cock. We are the embarrassment of the modern world in that respect.

>>779815
>technological advancements

if that is true, then we would be finished with oil. there have been no significant advancements in the past 80 years in terms of energy and propulsion.

the drive or demand for advancement has not been recognized yet, and we are nearing the point when it may be too late. america's entire economic system functions primarily by diesel freight trucks, and if there is no plans for infrastructure and technology to replace that (which there aren't), the entire system is going to come to a grinding hault.

this whole "oil sands" business and every other oil based alternative is not a solution, it is just a means to delay the inevitable

>>779792

>only 50 years of reserves.

Way outdated. Every single time the sites are surveyed more potential reserves are discovered. For example, a 2002 survey of the Marcellus Shale in the eastern US showed 2 trillion cubic feet of possible extractable gas. A 2011 survey of the same area showed an estimated 84 trillion cubic feet of gas reserves.

>>779816
The low military effectiveness of criminal gangs is offset by the fact you have no control over them. Police are subjected to lawsuits and internal investigations every day of the week, every youtube video you've seen of bad apples in the police force causes no end of trouble for them and they strive to cut down on shit like that. Police often grass on officers who misbehave in the same way criminals grass on each other, so they don't get dragged into the quagmire.

Of course you're scared and that's just your opinion based on paranoid fears, objectively and logically though they are the victims and we need to be more tolerant of excessive violence by police. Just look up the statistics on google.

>>779892
yes, but they're called reserves for a reason, they will run out eventually

>>779878

>no significant advancements in energy and propulsion in the past 80 years.

Confirmed for 14 years old. There is no way anyone else can think that. Efficiency of extraction and combustion has increased by orders of magnitude. Thermal, solar, wind, etc are being eased in, as they should be.

RaptorJesus fucking christ. Where is that freeway in OP's pic?

Reminds me of Brazil, only they have 8 lanes both ways (16) and almost no cars on them.

>>779915
>Thermal, solar, wind, etc are being eased in
Can you cite any funding worth a fuck in any of these?

>>779837

The cost of living and rent in major cities is ridiculous.

>>779900
doesn't change the fact that total authoritarianism is virtually a form of slavery at its highest level. every day we lose more of our right to self defense.

a libertarian's heaven is not anarchy, its the absence of a police state, less federal power and more local governance is a tried and true method to long term stability and prosperity

>>779904
You will die eventually

Just kill yourself now imo

>>779904

Of course they will run out eventually, centuries in the future. They will allow us to continue to slowly transition to more sustainable options without hampering advancement (I.e. there is no readily apparent heir to jet fuel currently).

>>779915
>Efficiency of extraction and combustion has increased by orders of magnitude

except they're not, have you seen our gas prices? did you hear about the oil spill in the gulf?

>>779944

Are you kidding me? Oil prices were artificially low in the us for a long time. They are still incredibly low when you factor in inflation and comparable pricing in other countries.

The gulf oil spill is an outlier (extraction accidents are at lowest points). Terrible, yes, but it has shown not to be the calamity that the media hyped it up to be.

>>779923

You're seriously denying the existence of solar energy, hydroelectric, and wind farms? Private companies are doing a good job currently. Private innovation trumps government funding and monopolies.

>>779904

The sun will explode eventually. Why not strip this one and move on to another planet?

>>780019
I said funding worth a damn man. Is it able to replace oil? At all? In time? I know it exists. I know the research is ongoing, and I know it will be there eventually.

>>780031
Those time scales are so readily comparable. Ah yes. The replacement of a cheap energy source that runs that world is akin to migrating to another star system. That's a derp.

Can anyone explain to me why Hydrogen is being almost completely forgotten/ignored in the US?

Seems like the single best option for replacing fossil fuels and there was a lot of talk a few years ago, but now it's just gone.

You are aware that this is exactly how the war started between the US and china in Fallout? The US-Sino war actually followed a limited nuclear exchange between the EU and Middle eastern countries over gas.

>>780164
Right now it takes more energy to get the hydrogen than it produces.

>>780164
Well if you genuinely don't know, its because hydrogen (H2) is only obtainable through electrolysis of water an..wow.

>>780195
A fucking ninja.

>>780201
inb4 cold fusion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMFvzohuVew

>>780201
>>780195

I do know this and it's the standard argument against, but the question is, how much loss of energy happens in the creation and use of hydrogen? Is it greater than the energy wasted by having 600lbs of battery in a vehicle?

I've read different figures for electric vs oil that range from 1/6 to 1/4 the cost per mile, so even if hydrogen's energy deficit was 100% it would still be 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of oil.

>>780292
>I do know this now that I've spent 15 minutes researching the subject

>>780164
The only cheap way of getting hydrogen is from fossil fuels.

The most effective of other methods require splitting water (usually by electrolysis or thermolysis). The energy you get from hydrogen fuel is produced by the same water reforming, so AT MOST (assuming absolutely no losses) you're getting back the energy you put into production. Obviously this is impossible - you're operating at a net energy loss.

So hydrogen is not really a "source" of energy, it's a means of storing it, seemingly good because of the high energy density. There are however various practical problems that remain hard to fix, mostly about storing the hydrogen. The energy density (in terms of energy per unit of mass) is high, but that's mitigated by the fact you must take on additional mass to be able to contain it.

>>780164
>there was a lot of talk a few years ago, but now it's just gone

That's because the talks followed the FreedomCAR Partnership's announcements of hydrogen storage efficiency targets back in 2002. The figures predicted for 2005 and later years showed much promise.

Spoiler warning: We haven't reached ANY of those targets yet.

What you need to produce hydrogen somewhat economically is electricity for the electrolysis.
If you have a lot of hydro-power, nuclear power or renewable generated electricity, you could possibly create hydrogen somewhat economically.
Transport, storage and combustion are another matter, but they could be solved.
All in all it is a possible way, but very expensive.
And expensive means it's not going to happen in the next years.

Public transportation is communism!! I prefer to be stuck in a traffic jam in my own car.

EUROPEANS OWN MORE CARS PER CAPITA THAN THE USA

EUROPEAN GOODS TRAVEL BY ROAD NOT RAIL MORE THAN THE USA

ENJOY YOUR BUTTHURT ANTI-US FANTASIES