Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:09
No.7684992

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:09 No.7684992

bumping

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:09
No.7685000

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:09 No.7685000

Replies: >>7685427

There's no debate, you're either a commie nigger lover or you ain't.

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:09
No.7685005

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:09 No.7685005

Replies: >>7685077 >>7685117 >>7685199 >>7685334

Having a nationalized health service gives people a greater incentive to invest in society.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:10
No.7685026

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:10 No.7685026

>implying it matters

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:10
No.7685042

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:10 No.7685042

Replies: >>7685079

>>7684932 (OP)
no.

socialist healthcare is bad in many ways.
privatized healthcare is a better from an economist's perspective. it is just being implemented poorly atm. it is scheduled to get a big mod. in 2014 though

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:12
No.7685077

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:12 No.7685077

>>7685005

>Government
>Creates good incentives

Choose one.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:12
No.7685079

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:12 No.7685079

>>7685042
go on

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:12
No.7685090

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:12 No.7685090

NHS is a good idea, but when a goverment decides to increase it's budget in real terms 12 years on the trot it gets a tad bloated.

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:12
No.7685111

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:12 No.7685111

Replies: >>7685174 >>7685179 >>7685190

Oh, and by the way OP - here in the UK, we actually have both privatized AND "socialist" healthcare.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:13
No.7685117

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:13 No.7685117

Replies: >>7685216

>>7685005
I don't disagree, but elaborate.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:13
No.7685142

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:13 No.7685142

Replies: >>7685316 >>7685321 >>7685890 >>7686455

File: 1353888823492.jpg-(27 KB, 315x354, Cancer_Survival_Rates.jpg)

if you honestly think the NHS is anything to emulate you're a retard.

>dat complete shit cancer survival rate.

America just needs to deregulate healthcare, remove the AMA monopoly on med schools and doctors and allow doctors to compete with eachother.

the clusterfuck of govt and regulation, subsidies and "private practices" is better than some but not sustainable. also obamacare is going to be a disaster.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:14
No.7685174

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:14 No.7685174

>>7685111
You still have to pay NI if you go private though.

OP
11/25/12(Sun)19:14
No.7685179

OP 11/25/12(Sun)19:14 No.7685179

Replies: >>7685277

>>7685111
so would you say that privatized is better in the UK or is the NHS?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:15
No.7685190

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:15 No.7685190

>>7685111
You also have tons of non-whites. Good luck.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:15
No.7685199

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:15 No.7685199

Replies: >>7686016

>>7685005
it also gives people justification to enforce what you put in your body.

if i'm paying for your healthcare with my taxes, you don't get to eat fatty foods or candy, because that is bad for your health, you have to work out a couple times a week to stay healthy and definitely no smoking drinking or doing drugs.

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:15
No.7685216

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:15 No.7685216

Replies: >>7685245

>>7685117

Reasonably speaking, if you give people all the help they need in order to compete on equal footing, if they fail then it's their own damn fault.

So by promoting welfare, you can turn to people and say "Your background doesn't matter, shove it up your ass you little bitch" if they can't pull their weight.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:16
No.7685245

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:16 No.7685245

Replies: >>7685301

>>7685216
>if you give people all the help they need in order to compete on equal footing
I love how you've co-opted a meritocracy from socialism.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:17
No.7685266

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:17 No.7685266

The NHS is all well and good, being a Brit I feel that you should have it too, you can still have private healthcare aswell.
Problem is though, The size of your public sector would massively expand, and thus you will have to spend more money and cut other things to balance it.

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:17
No.7685277

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:17 No.7685277

Replies: >>7685384 >>7685447

>>7685179

That's not important, what's important is that the alternative does exist if treatments on the NHS are unavailable.

> tfw idiots in my country act like the NHS is the ultimate in healthcare.

Don't get me wrong, if you can pay for it then you should be able to get the treatments you need.

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:18
No.7685301

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:18 No.7685301

>>7685245

Every cloud has a silver lining, anonbro.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:18
No.7685316

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:18 No.7685316

Replies: >>7685459

>>7685142
Just pointing this out but that chart, I think, only covers people who went to hospitals and got treatment. It ignores those who were uninsured and couldn't seek treatment. The reason that the NHS is lower is because those that would be uninsured here are insured there and die within the system, because cancer, thus causing the number to lessen.

In other words: The NHS survival rate looks lower because it covers more people while the US system only covers those who can afford it and this chart neglects those, within the US system, who didn't seek treatment because of money issues.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:18
No.7685321

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:18 No.7685321

Replies: >>7685589

>>7685142
The big difference being that you don't go into huge amounts of debt with the NHS and no matter who you are you can get treatment without worrying about finances if you have Cancer. That's the survival rate for people who undergo treatment, how many Americans die of cancer because they can't even afford the doctor in the first place.

You're a retard if you think our system is better than the NHS for the majority of the population.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:19
No.7685334

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:19 No.7685334

>>7685005
I don't know about that, but a nationalized healthcare serves the same purpose as welfare.

It allows people to exist, which means that people that supply jobs have to make the jobs more tempting for people to work for them.


So you don't get situations where people are stuck living paycheck to paycheck and can't risk doing anything that could get them fired because they'd starve to death without that job. Instead a person that loses their job for whatever reason, can exist, for a while until they can get a new job. This diverts a lot of power from businesses that are supplying jobs to the people that actually fill those jobs.

It also just ensures that everyone is getting basic healthcare which puts pressure off of businesses to provide insurance, which means businesses can enjoy the benefits of workers not letting illnesses/injuries go untreated for long periods of time due to the cost of treatment. Which harms businesses quite a bit since any diseases the person has can then be passed onto coworkers slowing down the business dramatically.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:20
No.7685384

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:20 No.7685384

Replies: >>7685428 >>7685472

>>7685277
how is the quality of care not important?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:21
No.7685427

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:21 No.7685427

Replies: >>7685554

>>7684932 (OP)
It's a no brainier that the current system is enriching the health insurance industry. Not even obamacare will cover everyone. So it makes perfect sense to adopt at least single-payer health care along with supplemental private insurance.

>>7685000
>I love paying through the nose for my health care or waiting 'till it's too late to get medical health.

Do you actually have health insurance? How much does it cost you?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:22
No.7685428

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:22 No.7685428

Replies: >>7685647

>>7685384

He's probably thinking "better than nothing" which is the amount of healthcare most people operate with in America.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:22
No.7685447

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:22 No.7685447

Replies: >>7685512

>>7685277
>tfw idiots in my country act like the NHS is the ultimate in healthcare.

It's pretty damn good though.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:22
No.7685457

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:22 No.7685457

Replies: >>7685537

>NHS

muh debts
muh austerity
muh unbalanced budget

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:22
No.7685459

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:22 No.7685459

Replies: >>7685608

>>7685316
>Just pointing this out but that chart, I think, only covers people who went to hospitals and got treatment. It ignores those who were uninsured and couldn't seek treatment. The reason that the NHS is lower is because those that would be uninsured here are insured there and die within the system, because cancer, thus causing the number to lessen.
any nigger can go to a free clinic etc. when an old black lady dies uninsured you don't think they know she died of cancer?

our healthcare is so expensive because we are forced to treat the uninsured.

not to mention govt subsidies

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:23
No.7685472

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:23 No.7685472

Replies: >>7685583

>>7685384

Because healthcare of some form or other should be available to everyone regardless of background.

What irritates me though is that people have started to expect from the NHS a high quality of service when that was never the intention, which in turn has led to the thing becoming a massive, bulbous cancer on the british economy.

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:24
No.7685512

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:24 No.7685512

Replies: >>7685803

>>7685447

Should it be, though?

It's not public sector.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:24
No.7685516

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:24 No.7685516

Replies: >>7685561

File: 1353889470747.gif-(66 KB, 500x830, 1352609766916.gif)

Anyone that actually defends private healthcare as the only option should be drawn and quartered.

You are literally holding people ransom to corporations.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:24
No.7685518

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:24 No.7685518

Replies: >>7685648

How much does insurance normally cost in the US?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:25
No.7685537

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:25 No.7685537

File: 1353889515398.jpg-(9 KB, 426x640, 324830.jpg)

>>7685457

Do you have a point?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:25
No.7685554

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:25 No.7685554

>>7685427
>Do you actually have health insurance? How much does it cost you?
It's free, I'm 20 years old and my dad wasn't a failure. You'd have to ask his employer.
>inb4 I'm the bad guy because I come from a successful family

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:26
No.7685561

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:26 No.7685561

Replies: >>7685584 >>7685592

>>7685516
As opposed to being held to ransom by the government

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:27
No.7685583

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:27 No.7685583

>>7685472
>expect from the NHS a high quality of service when that was never the intention

citation?

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:27
No.7685584

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:27 No.7685584

Replies: >>7685610 >>7685626

>>7685561

Precisely what is the difference?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:27
No.7685589

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:27 No.7685589

>>7685321
>You're a retard if you think our system is better than the NHS for the majority of the population.
85% of the population is insured. the rest get free treatment just for being nigger trash.

>The big difference being that you don't go into huge amounts of debt with the NHS and no matter who you are you can get treatment without worrying about finances if you have Cancer.
Is it better to be broke or dead?

>That's the survival rate for people who undergo treatment, how many Americans die of cancer because they can't even afford the doctor in the first place.
actually its anyone who gets diagnosed. and anybody can go into the doctors office and get diagnosed. also anyone with a job can get insurance.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:27
No.7685590

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:27 No.7685590

Replies: >>7685629

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2236675/Hundreds-girls-aged-14-having-designer-vagina-surg
ery-NHS.html

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:27
No.7685592

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:27 No.7685592

>>7685561
Would rather work with an entity that wishes to provide me with services for lower costs, than one that wishes to fuck me over for profit.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:27
No.7685608

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:27 No.7685608

Replies: >>7685737

>>7685459
>any nigger can go to a free clinic etc. when an old black lady dies uninsured you don't think they know she died of cancer?


This actually kinda reminds me of my sister.

When she was younger she had a problem with her hearing in her right ear. Which required treatment or else she'd be deaf in the ear. The insurance company knew of the simple treatment, but refused to pay anything for it "because she had another ear" so she wouldn't be totally deaf without the treatment. My mom was able to pay for the treatment out of pocket, but if she hadn't been making a decent amount of money in order to pay for that treatment, my sister would be deaf in that ear today.

I would doubt a free clinic would bother looking that much into what is afflicting people. As well I doubt that they'd be tracking the illnesses of the people they're refusing to treat due to cost.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:27
No.7685610

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:27 No.7685610

>>7685584
Clearly you can see from the graph.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:28
No.7685626

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:28 No.7685626

>>7685584
You can chose what plan to buy
The government will take you money and then just give you a shitty plan

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:28
No.7685629

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:28 No.7685629

Replies: >>7685642

>>7685590
>citing the daily mail

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:29
No.7685642

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:29 No.7685642

Replies: >>7685709 >>7685734

>>7685629
Back to reddit

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:29
No.7685647

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:29 No.7685647

Replies: >>7685670 >>7685730 >>7685738

>>7685428
>He's probably thinking "better than nothing" which is the amount of healthcare most people operate with in America.
except thats complete bullshit considering 85% of americans are insured and the rest get free care at the expense of everyone else.

Is this an "i'm a retarded europoor who doesn't know shit about american healthcare" thread?

i'm not saying american healthcare is perfect, far from it. but at least know what your'e talking about. Most of this threads arguments just sound like butthurt nationalism from Europoors disguised as fact

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:29
No.7685648

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:29 No.7685648

Replies: >>7685793 >>7685800

>>7685518
Anywhere from $200-$1000 a per person a month depending on the quality and get this they still don't cover everything and you still have to pay out of pocket for a portion of everything. It blows my mind that Americans support what is basically slavery if you want to be healthy.

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:30
No.7685670

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:30 No.7685670

Replies: >>7685849

>>7685647

Clearly it's the other way round, americunt.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:31
No.7685709

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:31 No.7685709

>>7685642
Not the guy you replied to but everyone know the Daily Mail is shit.

OP
11/25/12(Sun)19:31
No.7685717

OP 11/25/12(Sun)19:31 No.7685717

Replies: >>7685808

So far this is what I'm getting:

Have nationalized healthcare but have it cover basic things like broken bones, cancer treatments (nothing crazy fancy but at least have some form of treatment), etc

Have private sector healthcare for those that want it so they may seek more extensive and more personalized care.

Have the government handle the nationalized healthcare
Pay through it via taxes (watched a Youtube video while monitoring this thread)

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:32
No.7685730

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:32 No.7685730

Replies: >>7685829

>>7685647
>85% of americans are insured and the rest get free care at the expense of everyone else.

That's such fucking bullshit, you've never heard of people with medical bills they're struggling to pay? how the fuck are you paying for those people trying their hardest to be responsible and pay for their treatment

You're just making up numbers faggot.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:32
No.7685734

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:32 No.7685734

>>7685642
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/11November/Pages/Designer-vagina-ops-for-kids-on-the-NHS.aspx
>believing tabloids

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:32
No.7685737

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:32 No.7685737

Replies: >>7685820

>>7685608
your story sounds like bullshit especially the supposed excuse of the insurance company.

I"m not defending insurance companies, theyre some of the most corrupt fucks on the planet, thanks libs for enslaving to them btw.

but this ridiculous story smacks of nonsense.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:32
No.7685738

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:32 No.7685738

Replies: >>7685886

>>7685647
>except thats complete bullshit considering 85% of americans are insured and the rest get free care at the expense of everyone else.
Do you even live in America?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:33
No.7685775

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:33 No.7685775

I believe the quality of healthcare is more important than the cost.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:34
No.7685793

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:34 No.7685793

>>7685648

Dude, what? On a decent plan, out of pocket limits are not very high.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:34
No.7685800

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:34 No.7685800

>>7685648
$99 a month

http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/ifp/plan-details?planKey=9051:329&productLine=IFP&ifpUIS
tate.planDetailsBackUrl=/ifp/best-sellers

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:34
No.7685803

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:34 No.7685803

Replies: >>7685875 >>7685930

>>7685512
Why shouldn't the NHS strive to be the best since it is accountable to the taxpayer.

OP is a gigantic faggot (AKA OP)
11/25/12(Sun)19:34
No.7685808

OP is a gigantic faggot (AKA OP) 11/25/12(Sun)19:34 No.7685808

>>7685717
oh and have private sector cover things like cosemetic cause the people shouldn't pay for some girls tit job

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:35
No.7685820

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:35 No.7685820

Replies: >>7686026 >>7686221

>>7685737

I suppose it is hard to believe. But it is the truth.

Basically the insurance was fairly bare bones (I imagine) so they would only do treatment if it was to prevent her from losing her hearing, since her hearing loss was only occurring in one ear they just considered the risk of deafness to be non-existent.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:35
No.7685829

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:35 No.7685829

Replies: >>7685886 >>7686111

>>7685730
>hurr durr
liberals are the most retarded people that ever existed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_coverage_in_the_United_States

>The number of persons without health insurance coverage in the United States is one of the primary concerns raised by advocates of health care reform. A person without health insurance is commonly termed uninsured (regardless of insurance of objects unrelated to health), and this article uses the term in this sense as well. According to the United States Census Bureau, in 2009 there were 50.7 million people in the US (16.7% of the population) who were without health insurance.[2] The percentage of the non-elderly population who are uninsured has been generally increasing since the year 2000.[3]

and excuse me 83%

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:36
No.7685843

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:36 No.7685843

>shitty over-regulated healthcare
>or slightly less shitty over-regulated healthcare

How about real free market care, something we haven't had since the early 1900's when healthcare was affordable for everyone of the time?

>http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:36
No.7685849

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:36 No.7685849

Replies: >>7685923 >>7685952 >>7686455

File: 1353890175491.jpg-(32 KB, 734x549, cancer-survival-rates.jpg)

>>7685670
then why do Europoors get extra butthurt when you question their shit healthcare system?

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:36
No.7685875

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:36 No.7685875

Replies: >>7685935

>>7685803

Because the NHS needs more and more funding every year in order to keep providing those high quality services to the taxpayer?

You can't tell me other services haven't taken hits while the NHS has mysteriously been going from strength to strength.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:37
No.7685886

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:37 No.7685886

Replies: >>7686455

File: 1353890241936.png-(23 KB, 572x350, elderly healthcare.png)

>>7685738
>hurr durr
>>7685829
any more ridiculous ignorance i can enlighten in this thread?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:37
No.7685890

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:37 No.7685890

Replies: >>7686000

>>7685142
Your idea is terrible.
Too expensive. USA already has the most expensive healthcare in the world.
Leave it at that.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:37
No.7685902

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:37 No.7685902

> be living in Australia
> fall break my arm
> get free healthcare
feelsgoodman.jpg

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:38
No.7685923

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:38 No.7685923

>>7685849

Do they?

My perspective was that americunts were just being flippant towards everyone because of internal politicking.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:38
No.7685930

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:38 No.7685930

Replies: >>7686046

>>7685803
because it has no reason to be the best. the taxpayer is forced to give money to it, and it knows that. so they can do the bare minimum to keep the money coming.

meanwhile the private companies have to compete to stay in business.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:38
No.7685935

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:38 No.7685935

Replies: >>7685989

>>7685875
>Because the NHS needs more and more funding every year in order to keep providing those high quality services to the taxpayer?

That kinda makes sense considering things cost money.

The alternative is basically telling people they get to die or live disfigured because they didn't have enough money.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:39
No.7685952

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:39 No.7685952

Replies: >>7686061

>>7685849
>Taking figures at face value

Christ, it's the assault crime rates all over again.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:39
No.7685962

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:39 No.7685962

File: 1353890381416.png-(1002 KB, 1324x4000, 1353000954120.png)

I'll just leave this here.

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:40
No.7685989

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:40 No.7685989

Replies: >>7686045 >>7686142

>>7685935

To be fair mate, i'd be perfectly happy with a typical service as long as it got the job done.

People expect far too much of the NHS, I feel.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:41
No.7686000

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:41 No.7686000

>>7685890
its expensive because the govt subsidizes it and then doesn't allow any form of competition between hospitals and doctors etc.

the govt promises to give more money, so you up your prices, and they up their subsidies.

Real Liberal !!9HixxlQIM2g
11/25/12(Sun)19:41
No.7686016

Real Liberal !!9HixxlQIM2g 11/25/12(Sun)19:41 No.7686016

Replies: >>7686145

>>7685199
>it also gives people justification to enforce what you put in your body.
No more so than with private insurance. Even if you don't do something that ends up costing the insurance company more, they'll still put up your fees to cover those people.

>if i'm paying for your healthcare with my taxes, you don't get to eat fatty foods or candy, because that is bad for your health, you have to work out a couple times a week to stay healthy and definitely no smoking drinking or doing drugs.
These "lifestyle problems" tend to cause people to die earlier.

People dying earlier is GOOD for a healthcare system. It reduces the number of years you have to pay for their healthcare, and it stops them becoming elderly. Healthcare for the elderly is the biggest single expense in health everywhere in the western world. It would actually be better if people died earlier, statistically speaking.

Shit, I think I'd prefer to die from lung cancer or a heart attack when I'm older, and enjoy a life of debauchery, than live for ten or fifteen more years as an Alzheimer's-riddled zombie pissing myself in a care home.

So, as a Briton who loves the NHS, I demand we stop trying to prevent non-infectious diseases caused by lifestyle. We should be passive towards poor diets, binge drinking and smoking, and hope people continue to indulge. We need some people to die a little younger – it's the only hope.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:42
No.7686026

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:42 No.7686026

>>7685820

I had forgotten what exactly had to be done. What it was is a skin transplant from her arm to her ear drum.

Had remembered hearing about how she had to get it "shaved" in the past year or two.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:43
No.7686045

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:43 No.7686045

Replies: >>7686130

>>7685989
>a typical service as long as it got the job done.

Could you describe one of these with respect to emergency medical care?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:43
No.7686046

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:43 No.7686046

Replies: >>7686075

>>7685930

Do you somehow think private companies do not do the bare minimum?

Their purpose is to deliver profit. They do this by selling healthcare

The NHSs purpose is to provide healthcare

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:43
No.7686061

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:43 No.7686061

Replies: >>7686147 >>7686571

File: 1353890592276.jpg-(214 KB, 949x609, wait times.jpg)

>>7685952
whats the problem?

post some sources leftists don't like and they curl up in a ball.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:43
No.7686075

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:43 No.7686075

Replies: >>7686154

>>7686046
people can buy another plan

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:44
No.7686090

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:44 No.7686090

Replies: >>7686148 >>7686202 >>7686264

Can anyone in the US say what would happen to them if they were in this situation in the US.

> I have a bad back for some weeks but in the last week it's developed into stabbing pain
> I'm at work when it's particularly bad, there is a hospital over the road so I decide to drop in
> They don't take any details, ask for no ID and I see a doctor in 20 minutes
> He diagnoses a probable herniated disk, writes me up a prescription for some pain killers, and advises I go to the hospital to get an MRI to confirm.
> Take my script to the pharmacy and obtain my free pain killers
> Just looking to get some time of work where I can go get an MRI now. I would just have to pop into the hospital and request one, they wouldn't try and take any details or mess around with insurance.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:45
No.7686111

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:45 No.7686111

Replies: >>7686277

>>7685829
This doesn't mean the rest get free care you fucking idiot. You realize these people receive bills for their treatments right? If you don't think 17% of the country (50 million people!) not being able to afford basic treatment is a problem then you are beyond help.

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:45
No.7686130

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:45 No.7686130

Replies: >>7686328

>>7686045

> emergency medical care.

Define the extent of injury.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:46
No.7686142

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:46 No.7686142

Replies: >>7686211

>>7685989

Well really I don't know what all your referring to in regards to "typical service". Because for some people that means the difference between doctors being comfortable performing a variety of tests to diagnose patients and going through with procedures to save limbs despite cost, and for other people "typical service" really just means having tech support outsourced and skimping on waiting area chairs and similar things in that vein.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:46
No.7686145

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:46 No.7686145

Replies: >>7686466

>>7686016
>No more so than with private insurance. Even if you don't do something that ends up costing the insurance company more, they'll still put up your fees to cover those people.
its my choice just as its theirs. i can choose to give them money for insurance. if i don't like how they try to control my diet i can go to another company. there are options, under your system there is no choice.

also this preventative care nonsense is bull, i'd love to see the healthcare that prevents cancer or prevents heart disase.

life expectancy is 99% about lifestyle and diet.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:46
No.7686147

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:46 No.7686147

>>7686061

> USA
> Pay through the nose for healthcare
> Having to wait any amount of days

That's pretty shitty.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:46
No.7686148

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:46 No.7686148

Replies: >>7686224

>>7686090
> They don't take any details, ask for no ID and I see a doctor in 20 minutes

Stopped you right there, you would never be able to see a doctor without putting down a credit card first.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:46
No.7686154

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:46 No.7686154

>>7686075

what does that achieve?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:48
No.7686202

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:48 No.7686202

Replies: >>7686249 >>7686282

>>7686090

What country are you in?

>don't ask for any ID or take any details
>prescribe drugs
>you turn blue & die in writhing agony following a fatal contraindication

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:49
No.7686211

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:49 No.7686211

Replies: >>7686638

>>7686142

Hey man, so long as they can sew me back together if bits get seperated and make sure i'm not dying of some chronic disease I couldn't give a fuck.

Everything else is just an added and greatly appreciated extra.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:49
No.7686221

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:49 No.7686221

Replies: >>7686290

>>7685820
>Basically the insurance was fairly bare bones (I imagine) so they would only do treatment if it was to prevent her from losing her hearing, since her hearing loss was only occurring in one ear they just considered the risk of deafness to be non-existent.
thats not how insurance companies calculate.

They don't say "well she's got the other ear" thats just a silly story you made up.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:49
No.7686224

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:49 No.7686224

>>7686148

They'd probably let you see a doctor if you showed an insurance card, or an ID since with the ID they'd have your address to be able to send the bill.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:50
No.7686249

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:50 No.7686249

>>7686202
>See the doctor
>Implying the doctor doesn't take a history

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:51
No.7686264

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:51 No.7686264

Replies: >>7686352

>>7686090

> Go to doctor
> Have to pay $100 for consultation
> Get diagnosed with herniated disk
> Doctor checks if insurance covers pain killers and an MRI
> Insurance wont cover MRI because it's an exploratory procedure and advises me to "take pain killers and stop being a babby".
> Then my premiums go up

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:52
No.7686277

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:52 No.7686277

Replies: >>7686366

File: 1353891133042.jpg-(28 KB, 279x400, Cancer Survival Rates.jpg)

>>7686111
dumbass, i said American healthcare was far from perfect. but i'm not going to sacrfice the best quality care in the world for people willing to work for a living, to having third world quality just to be "fair"

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:52
No.7686282

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:52 No.7686282

Replies: >>7686327

>>7686202

When I said no details I meant like name, address, ID. They did ask if I had any medical conditions.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:52
No.7686290

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:52 No.7686290

Replies: >>7686318 >>7686417 >>7686469

>>7686221

The procedure was considered too costly for the benefit in the eyes of the insurance company.

Are you just a dumbass or is this the first time you've ever heard of an insurance company doing something like this? Though maybe you're just British and are unfamiliar with the current situation of healthcare in America.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:53
No.7686311

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:53 No.7686311

Replies: >>7686337

ITT: Europoors talk about american healthcare like they know what theyre talking about

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:53
No.7686318

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:53 No.7686318

Replies: >>7686426

>>7686290

If the current situation is retarded then it is logical it would seem nonsensical to outsiders.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:53
No.7686327

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:53 No.7686327

Replies: >>7686363

>>7686282

You still haven't answered what country you're in.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:54
No.7686328

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:54 No.7686328

>>7686130
Let's say a suspected C-Spine injury from a car crash, the victim is still in the car and the fire brigade have cut off the roof so the paras can gain access to them.

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:54
No.7686337

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:54 No.7686337

>>7686311

Point them out bro.

Personally i've just been doing as OP asked - talking about the british system.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:54
No.7686352

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:54 No.7686352

>>7686264

No insurance version:

>Drop in to walk in center
>It's full of niggers
>One is in the corner clutching a chest gunshot wound
>After 3 hours a doctor sees me
>He's moonlighting to pay off medical school and has already worked 15 hours today
>Diagnoses condition
>Prescribes meds I can't afford

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:55
No.7686363

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:55 No.7686363

Replies: >>7686409 >>7686719

>>7686327

Britain

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:55
No.7686366

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:55 No.7686366

Replies: >>7686495

>>7686277

>muh skewed figures

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:56
No.7686387

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:56 No.7686387

Replies: >>7686440 >>7686444 >>7686464

Universal Healthcare is bankrupting every country that practices it. Say what you will about the immorality of having to pay for healthcare but at least Americans understand that things cost money still.

Telling hospitals that the government will cover all medical costs doesn't strike me as an effective way to reduce costs.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:57
No.7686404

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:57 No.7686404

>2012
>still believing in democracy
enjoy being exploited

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:57
No.7686409

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:57 No.7686409

Replies: >>7686463

>>7686363

Oh, I see, you're lying. Fair enough.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:57
No.7686417

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:57 No.7686417

>>7686290
>The procedure was considered too costly for the benefit in the eyes of the insurance company.
that is also not how insurance works.

they want to see if theyre liable or not or that you're covered or not.

if she was covered, she gets treatment, unless its not covered by her plan, and in that case you have a shit plan. it sounds like your parents fucked up and are making up a story to cover their asses from looking like retards either because they lied on her application, or it was considered cosmetic and not covered etc. they can't tell you "hey thats too expensive we're not going to cover you" they can try to weasel their way out of being liable which they do, but not what you're talking about liar.

jesus christ.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:57
No.7686426

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:57 No.7686426

File: 1353891465968.jpg-(938 KB, 1200x1850, Bigger Fish to Fry.jpg)

>>7686318

I suppose so. It is still a bit depressing how alien these stories are to people though (I didn't even think it would sound all that terrible a story to people that visit /pol/), since it just shows what sort of disconnect our society experiences where people just are this unfamiliar with how much of the country lives.

Anyhow, I'm off to bed a little bit more cynical about the young people that visit 4chan's /pol/.

Nighty!

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:58
No.7686440

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:58 No.7686440

File: 1353891498118.png-(3 KB, 196x171, 1350232558059.png)

>>7686387

> America talking about other countries being bankrupt

Your country doesn't have universal healthcare because it spends trillions on coming up with new ways to defend Israel.

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)19:58
No.7686444

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)19:58 No.7686444

>>7686387

People act like everyone can have the best stuff, be the best, etc when in reality society simply doesn't work like that.

For modernized society to operate successful there must always be the big man and the little man, unless you kill one of them and force the other one to do your bidding.

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0
11/25/12(Sun)19:58
No.7686455

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0 11/25/12(Sun)19:58 No.7686455

Replies: >>7686555 >>7686662 >>7686850

File: 1353891523330.png-(406 KB, 1808x2032, Screen Shot 2012-11-25 at(...).png)

>>7685886
>>7685849
>>7685142
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy#List_by_the_CIA_World_Factbook_.28
2011_estimates.29

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:59
No.7686463

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:59 No.7686463

Replies: >>7686532

>>7686409

> His narrative doesn't fit in with my world view, he must be lying.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:59
No.7686464

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:59 No.7686464

>>7686387

Having a corrupt system motivated by generating profit rather than providing care doesn't strike me as a way to address health problems

Real Liberal !!9HixxlQIM2g
11/25/12(Sun)19:59
No.7686466

Real Liberal !!9HixxlQIM2g 11/25/12(Sun)19:59 No.7686466

Replies: >>7686613

>>7686145
>its my choice just as its theirs. i can choose to give them money for insurance. if i don't like how they try to control my diet i can go to another company. there are options, under your system there is no choice.
It isn't the insurance company that causes problems here – its generally governments that introduce public health campaigns.

Besides, if you don't like the NHS for some reason, you can take out private insurance. It's actually far, far cheaper in the UK than in the US.

In America, you don't have a free market for insurance. What you have is a cartel of awful companies who sell a product most people can't refuse to buy. I don't know what you think is so good about this. In theory it should provide choice, and competition to keep prices down, but that's only theory.

In practice, the whole system is a mess, and average Americans lose out the most from it. Why you support such a system is beyond me entirely.

>also this preventative care nonsense is bull, i'd love to see the healthcare that prevents cancer or prevents heart disase.
It is, really. I don't think government should actively be encouraging healthier living. It's not their job and it makes no sense if a country has universal healthcare, as I explained earlier. States are doing this regardless of how their healthcare is provided so I don't know why you're claiming this doesn't happen in 'murrika too, as it does.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:59
No.7686469

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:59 No.7686469

Replies: >>7686558

>>7686290
>Are you just a dumbass or is this the first time you've ever heard of an insurance company doing something like this? Though maybe you're just British and are unfamiliar with the current situation of healthcare in America.
obviously insurance companies are shiesty fucks who the liberals enslaved us to, thanks for that btw.

but thats not how theyre shiesty. You don't even know how insurance works. I'm guessing you were far too young to appreciate the situation and thats the story that fits your leftist agenda so its the one you use.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:00
No.7686495

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:00 No.7686495

Replies: >>7686513

>>7686366
>muh nationalized shitcare

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI
11/25/12(Sun)20:00
No.7686513

OuterHeaven !!yDmP7j3NIWI 11/25/12(Sun)20:00 No.7686513

>>7686495

But it's not shit, it's so awesome the country can't cope with it anymore.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:01
No.7686530

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:01 No.7686530

Replies: >>7686577 >>7686640 >>7686655 >>7686657

If the British system is superior why is it that every single chav who gets so much as a flu requests a government paid plane trip to America to be treated there and foot the bill to David Cameron?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:01
No.7686532

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:01 No.7686532

Replies: >>7686551

>>7686463

Nope, I just live in the same country so know how things are.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:01
No.7686537

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:01 No.7686537

Replies: >>7686662 >>7686720

File: 1353891698148.jpg-(31 KB, 313x286, 1351370970463.jpg)

> Cancer survival rates
> Only counts people that got treatment and later died
> Forgetting about the thousands dying in America with no access to treatment

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:02
No.7686551

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:02 No.7686551

Replies: >>7686636

>>7686532

>I'll just say I'm British that will work

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:02
No.7686555

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:02 No.7686555

Replies: >>7686699

>>7686455
>implying life expectancy isn't 99% lifestyle and diet.

congratulations you eat better than fatass niggers who smoke all day drink and then work more hours you work in a week

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:02
No.7686558

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:02 No.7686558

Replies: >>7686646

>>7686469
>obviously insurance companies are shiesty fucks who the liberals enslaved us to, thanks for that btw.

I thought liberals wanted socialised medicine.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:02
No.7686571

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:02 No.7686571

>>7686061
the solution to this would be increasing the amount of doctors, medical professionals etc. This would be done by ridding the tyranny of the AMA

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:02
No.7686577

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:02 No.7686577

>>7686530
>Citation needed

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:03
No.7686599

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:03 No.7686599

File: 1353891824967.png-(90 KB, 645x512, 1341185418756.png)

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/insurance-24-year-dies-toothache/story?id=14438171#.ULK_u4d0kbg

> US health system

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:04
No.7686613

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:04 No.7686613

Replies: >>7686690

>>7686466
your'e still forced to pay NHS.

i know the problems with American healthcare, there are a shit ton of them. but national healtchare is the last thing we need.

also, without the US having a semblance of a free market, you can kiss all those new medications and treatments good by

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:05
No.7686636

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:05 No.7686636

Replies: >>7686675

>>7686551

You are of course free to prove me wrong

>but you'll just continue with your "pithy" greentext replies

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:05
No.7686637

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:05 No.7686637

File: 1353891906014.png-(325 KB, 500x375, 1304376955947.png)

Why is it that Americans think that the NHS is the only universal healthcare system in the world.

It's ALL they talk about.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:05
No.7686638

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:05 No.7686638

>>7686211
so you wouldn't want them to try to PREVENT any other complications that could happen that could save A LOT of money??

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:05
No.7686640

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:05 No.7686640

>>7686530
How come when a girl from Pakistan needed treatment after being shot by the Taliban they decided to transport her to Britain?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:05
No.7686646

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:05 No.7686646

Replies: >>7686765

>>7686558
they figured enslaving us to massive corporations with a history of sheistiness was the next best things.

but what do i know i'm just a corporatist conservative, who believes i should be able to choose or not to choose to support these corporations rather than be enslaved to them

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:05
No.7686655

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:05 No.7686655

>>7686530
We sent one, once.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:05
No.7686657

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:05 No.7686657

>>7686530

[citation needed]

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0
11/25/12(Sun)20:05
No.7686662

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0 11/25/12(Sun)20:05 No.7686662

>>7686537
also, this
>>7686455

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:06
No.7686675

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:06 No.7686675

Replies: >>7686706 >>7686733 >>7686807

>>7686636

How the fuck am I gonna prove it? Show my meds?

It's a fucking anecdote of my experience last Friday.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:06
No.7686690

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:06 No.7686690

Replies: >>7686780

>>7686613
>your'e still forced to pay NHS.

& how much would that be then?

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0
11/25/12(Sun)20:07
No.7686699

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0 11/25/12(Sun)20:07 No.7686699

Replies: >>7686751

>>7686555
Oh, so it's all lifestyle and diet and not healthcare when the numbers are against you?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:07
No.7686706

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:07 No.7686706

Replies: >>7686835

>>7686675
>Show my meds
well yeah

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0
11/25/12(Sun)20:07
No.7686719

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0 11/25/12(Sun)20:07 No.7686719

Replies: >>7686835

>>7686363
Your anecdotal evidence isn't worth that much, laddie.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:07
No.7686720

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:07 No.7686720

Replies: >>7686770 >>7686862

>>7686537
even if the poorest black person couldn't get basic treatment, which they can

NHS still has over 20% lower cancer survival rates. and luckily i'm one of the 83% of working ie worthwhile Americans i get the best treatment in the world. you can sacrifice your own lives for worthless welfare leeches if you want.

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0
11/25/12(Sun)20:08
No.7686733

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0 11/25/12(Sun)20:08 No.7686733

>>7686675
>anecdotal evidence is best evidence

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:09
No.7686751

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:09 No.7686751

Replies: >>7686815

>>7686699
actually any intelligent person knows your diet and lifestyle has vastly more to do with your life expectancy rather than the few times you visit the hospital. what magic livelong drugs do you have over there in europe? do you have magic cancer prevention drugs over there?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:09
No.7686765

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:09 No.7686765

Replies: >>7686863

>>7686646
>i should be able to choose or not to choose to support these corporations rather than be enslaved to them

Well that would be fine if you never needed healthcare. Sadly at some point everyone will. Yes, I;m sure you'll ignore that or argue that you won't. You're wrong.

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0
11/25/12(Sun)20:09
No.7686770

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0 11/25/12(Sun)20:09 No.7686770

Replies: >>7686850 >>7686887

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>>7686720
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:10
No.7686780

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:10 No.7686780

Replies: >>7686989

>>7686690
well considering the high taxes in the UK, high enough

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:11
No.7686807

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:11 No.7686807

Replies: >>7686877

>>7686675

No it's not, it's a tissue of lies. That is simply not how the UK system works.

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0
11/25/12(Sun)20:11
No.7686815

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0 11/25/12(Sun)20:11 No.7686815

Replies: >>7686887 >>7686923

>>7686751
Life expectancy is the real metric.
And preventive care is also part of the health care equation.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:12
No.7686835

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:12 No.7686835

Replies: >>7686850 >>7686929

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>>7686706

Well here I guess

>>7686719

> Implying every argument on /pol/ isn't "my anecdotal evidence is better than your anecdotal evidence".

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0
11/25/12(Sun)20:12
No.7686850

JIDF Chief Bloomenbergensteinenthal !!j18DqSlVlV0 11/25/12(Sun)20:12 No.7686850

>>7686835
Mine isn't.
>>7686770
>>7686455

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:13
No.7686862

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:13 No.7686862

Replies: >>7686894 >>7686973

>>7686720
>NHS still has over 20% lower cancer survival rates

Does everyone in the US get treatment when they develop cancer?

Is every case recorded by the system?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:13
No.7686863

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:13 No.7686863

>>7686765
>Well that would be fine if you never needed healthcare. Sadly at some point everyone will. Yes, I;m sure you'll ignore that or argue that you won't. You're wrong.

I don't expect others to finance my own bad decisions. if hospitals want to treat some people they deem worthy out of their own charities which they did long before they were forced to treat everyone, that is fine.

you just made the problem worse and infringed our rights even more. the insurance companies are now more powerful, our insurance will become more expensive and the quality will dip.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:13
No.7686877

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:13 No.7686877

>>7686807

>Don't even live there
>Think you know how the system works

/pol/ in a nutshell

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:14
No.7686887

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:14 No.7686887

Replies: >>7687026

>>7686770
>>7686815
fucking this
is this not enough proof for you?
you can argue that wait time will increase but that can be combated by increasing the amount of doctors by making it easier to make it into medical school. I'm trying to get in and most of the time anything short of a 4.0 will not likely get you in. I'm working my ass off. Also, the whole health care system is based on number of patients seen and not quality of care. That is the way a capitalistic approach to care goes.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:14
No.7686893

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:14 No.7686893

The NHS is great. Yes its budget is a joke. Yes it fucks up. Providing healthcare should be a fundemental right, same as education. Our private healthcare is also pretty good too.

I really don't see the arguments against it when most of the developed world provides healthcare. I don't see why you should have to pay ridiculous amounts for basic operations.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:14
No.7686894

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:14 No.7686894

>>7686862
>Does everyone in the US get treatment when they develop cancer?

If they're not a millionaire they're not

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:15
No.7686923

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:15 No.7686923

>>7686815
jesus you're a broken record.

lol, yeah what magic preventative care medicine do you have that makes people live longer?

face it the only reason you prefer your system that you really have no idea about unless you're very sickly, is what the media tells you which is just butthurt nationalism

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:15
No.7686929

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:15 No.7686929

>>7686835
Hello fellow midlander.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:17
No.7686973

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:17 No.7686973

>>7686862
83% at least do, more considering every person who goes to the hospital is forced to be given basic care. even the poorest person knows they have cancer. the idea that we have all these people who just die without being diagnosed by a doctor is just whining by people who don't like the source because they disagree with it.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:17
No.7686989

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:17 No.7686989

Replies: >>7687069

>>7686780

So, you don't know.

>it's about £700 p/a Good luck getting health insurance in the US with equivalent cover for that

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:19
No.7687026

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:19 No.7687026

>>7686887
does anyone honestly believe healthcare has anymore than 1% to do with life expectancy?

you think the american diet or lifestyle may not have more to do with the life expectancy than the week or so of time spent in hospitals throughout your entire life?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:19
No.7687030

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:19 No.7687030

I pay £60 ($96) a month in National Insurance for healthcare and it's like having the best level of private cover in the US.

For example if I ever get shot in the head like that guy at the batman premier the NHS wont be trying to argue a gunshot wound is a preexisting condition and demand $2,000,000 off me like what happened to that guy.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:20
No.7687069

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:20 No.7687069

>>7686989
at least i am less likely to do of cancer.

also i have my own solutions to fix american healthcare, lower price etc that don't require more socialism or infringing on the rights of citizens