Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)16:47
No.7681171

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)16:47 No.7681171

Replies: >>7686449

You get lucky. Or join the military and get experience in whatever field you are in. If your lucky enough to have the military have a job in your occupation. In this economy experience is 100x more valueable than a bachelors degree.

But then you still run into the aspect that people will pay you less because you don't have a piece of paper. Personally i plan on doing both. Ill have 4 years experience, and a degree to boot. Employers are going to be camping out on my front lawn to hire me.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)16:57
No.7681428

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)16:57 No.7681428

Replies: >>7681488 >>7681538 >>7686169

It's pretty hard, you basically have to have an "in". When I lived in Philadelphia, I heard that dockworkers made upwards of $100k, but it's impossible to get hired unless you know someone already in the union. There is an oil boom going on in North Dakota and laborers are making really good money. But the cost of living there is so high that a lot of your take home pay will get eaten. Truck drivers can make like $60k, but the lifestyle is rough. Without a college education, your best bet is to learn a building trade and go into business for yourself. There is a shortage of machinists in this country, or so I here.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:00
No.7681488

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:00 No.7681488

>>7681428
No we just have no use for a abundance of machinists.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:01
No.7681538

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:01 No.7681538

File: 1353880919904.jpg-(33 KB, 400x448, 1348713378821.jpg)

>>7681428
>There is a shortage of machinists in this country, or so I here.
>or so I here
>here

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:02
No.7681550

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:02 No.7681550

Replies: >>7681603 >>7682008

but higher education is free for everyone in my country

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:04
No.7681603

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:04 No.7681603

Replies: >>7683973

File: 1353881065573.jpg-(21 KB, 459x303, homer-faceplam-63457838843.jpg)

>>7681550
>free
implying you don't pay for it with your taxes
>mfw people think the same thing about the affordable care act being "free"

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:20
No.7682008

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:20 No.7682008

Replies: >>7682096 >>7682150

>>7681550
Then it is also worth less. I see so many people begging for college to be free. Because they can't get a job without an education. *blink* Ok now college is free. So you should be able to go out and get a job and be successful correct? Wrong because your degree is worth less. Because now everyone has one.

And that's the problem with American youth today. The loan system hands out loans to everyone and there grandmother. So everyone go's to college. But now the bachelors is the like the highschool diploma in the 50s.

Everyone used to be a have or have not. But with this education system the levels are more equal. The rich can't get a job after college and the poor can't get a job after college. The only difference is the rich don't graduate with 150k debt. Everyone is equally fucked.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:20
No.7682025

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:20 No.7682025

DANCE PARTY!

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:22
No.7682058

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:22 No.7682058

Scholarships? That's how I'm getting through school. I have one semester left for my AA and zero debt so far.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:22
No.7682059

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:22 No.7682059

>>7681007 (OP)

you enlist in the military

ThatOneBro
11/25/12(Sun)17:23
No.7682096

ThatOneBro 11/25/12(Sun)17:23 No.7682096

Replies: >>7682600

>>7682008

So the only way to not be fucked is to know someone who's in there. Kind of a weird bind we've put ourselves in. Wonder why it didn't occur to anyone that the more widely available something is, the less worth it has.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:25
No.7682150

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:25 No.7682150

Replies: >>7682789

File: 1353882329821.png-(18 KB, 379x214, okwiththis.png)

>>7682008

It's not that hard to get through college without debt.
>Pell grant
>Scholarships, which not enough people apply for (Although I think they're tailored to minorities first)
>work-study programs
>going to community college and getting as many hours as possible
>don't live on campus if you have any other choice

I'm 5 classes from my associate's degree (61 hours) and I plan on taking another 5 classes before I transfer to a four-year college. I don't have a single dime in debt. My friend is pursuing a shitty graphic design / video game degree and already has something like 10k in debt within 1-2 years. What the fuck?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:40
No.7682600

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:40 No.7682600

Replies: >>7682645

>>7682096
Kinda of. But not really.
Under the traditional American system there are no haves, and no have nots.

The way to not be fucked is to deviate from the plan. To step off the American "Yellow Brick Road".
Everyone has a chance to do this. Some take it and fall into the college debt trap and some don't. There are many ways to do this. Number one is to academically destroy everyone under you. The earliest this can occur in is 7th grade public schooling. Do well in 7th grade and you get into advanced 8th grade classes. And so on and so on until you get a scholarship or take out loans to go to a top school. Just because you have college debt does not mean that you have fallen into the trap. These people will go to top schools. Get a degree.. And a job right out of college. Now not everyone is a prodigy academically. Im not so in this case im a "have not'. But the people who are gifted with the ability to do well in school are the haves.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:42
No.7682645

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:42 No.7682645

Replies: >>7682666

>>7682600
Continued from my earlier post.

The second way is through experience. Remember experience is always worth more than a piece of paper saying your educated. That's why a "Insert job here" guy will get the job over someone else even if there only job experience was outside there field, back in high school working at McDonalds. We have an upcoming generation of people that in a few years time will enter the workforce with no previous work experience in anything what so ever. If you can get experience so how without falling into the "Can't get job because no experience, and can't get experience because no job loop". Thats why im joining the Air force to work on becoming a computer programmer. Ill have a good chunk of work experience.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:42
No.7682666

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:42 No.7682666

Replies: >>7683909

>>7682645
Continued from earlier post.


The third way is to stay in school longer. A masters degree is like the bachelors back in the 50s. Most people have bachelors so a masters puts your application to the top of the pile. A doctorate even more so and it will let you earning power sky rocket. I want to get a PhD one day. Just not all together. I want to go to school on and off. Since the GI Bill will be paying for my education i don't mind going back to school to pursue.

The trick is to make yourself unique. Im joining the military even though there is a chance i might get killed. Death is kiss compared to a lifetime of poverty.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:44
No.7682711

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:44 No.7682711

Replies: >>7682888 >>7683450 >>7683619 >>7684267 >>7686525

File: 1353883474035.jpg-(25 KB, 490x301, 1295303341932.jpg)

Major in STEM, and you will never have a problem.

>inb4 people with zero experience in STEM pull up in the shitmobile with the hurr durr outsourcing hurr durr china hurr durr india bawwww

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:47
No.7682789

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:47 No.7682789

Replies: >>7682820 >>7683612

>>7682150
That's what i explained in my earlier post. If you go to a community college your degree IS worth less. Yes your still educated. But prestige matters quite a bit when everyone that wants to be successful has a bachelors from "Insert community college they went to so they would have less debt."

Like i said its all about separating yourself from the generic American college circle jerk. Weather its a top school, Work/Military experience. Or a better degree you need to do something.

But then again. Nothing is a guarantee. You can still do everything write and still get fucked.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:48
No.7682820

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:48 No.7682820

Replies: >>7682928

>>7682789
English better not be your first language

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:51
No.7682888

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:51 No.7682888

Replies: >>7683099 >>7683198 >>7683828

>>7682711

Only degree's that are worth going for these days. Im trying to learn Computer Programming because i have wanted to do it for years but never knew how until recently. I hope i love Programming and im good in it. Because Computers are the fucken tits to be in right now. And since there never going away. It will always be a good career. My goals in life are.
1. To be happy in my field of work.
2. To make enough money to stay out of poverty and enjoy myself.

I feel bad for those who's life long dream is to be an artist or anything in humanities these days.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:52
No.7682928

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:52 No.7682928

>>7682820
Ya i know i saw the "Weather". Sorry typing quite fast. And don't care about every little mistake. Its 4chan. Not a term paper.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:57
No.7683062

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:57 No.7683062

Replies: >>7683152

Get rid of this manufactured need for college and go back to an apprenticeship system where you actually learn your trade through hands-on experience rather than through a text book.

Most of the STEM professions would be better off in the long run using this method. So many of the older engineers I see at my place of employment spend half the day fixing the things the new engineers fucked up because they have no practical experience.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)17:59
No.7683099

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)17:59 No.7683099

File: 1353884355364.jpg-(128 KB, 640x427, 1352587072692.jpg)

>>7682888
Unbeknownst to those ignoramuses, you can easily be an artist WHILE having a real job.

I am a computer engineer, and I make music. I have also spent some time drawing when I used to be into that, and I could take up dancing if I were interested in that.

Art, being one of the easiest wastes of time ever conceived by man, should not even be considered the kind of thing one lives their life for.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:01
No.7683152

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:01 No.7683152

Replies: >>7683212

>>7683062
If you do apprenticeship, the only thing you miss out on (assuming you do at least get a real STEM degree from a non-bullshit University) is the breadth of knowledge in OTHER disciplines you acquire by being in college.

I got a minor in poli sci while I was doing my STEM degree, and my job is in STEM, but I know a lot about foreign relations, and I do believe it will help me out on the business side of things in the long run. My company is a multinational one.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:03
No.7683198

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:03 No.7683198

Replies: >>7683302 >>7683339 >>7683373

>>7682888
>Implying your computer "science" degree is worth anything
>implying it's a real science of any sort
>implying your're not competing with hindus for jobs
Natural science master graduate student race here. Get on my level.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:03
No.7683212

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:03 No.7683212

Replies: >>7683267

>>7683152
That's all well and good, but through an apprenticeship you can learn all that stuff on the job as well while earning a living instead of going into debt.

And if there were something you wanted to learn (foreign language, etc) you could take a night class at the local college and probably get help from your company to pay the costs

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:04
No.7683226

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:04 No.7683226

The internet will eventually change the education system completely, autodidacticism is the way of the future.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:06
No.7683267

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:06 No.7683267

>>7683212
It probably wouldn't be the worst idea ever, but still, recognize that the majority of people are NOT proactive, and a very real concern in the industry not too long ago was that all engineers would ever be are a bunch of robots who are not capable of interacting with others.

If all you ever had was high school, then getting picked up by GE or Boeing to be an engineer for the rest of your life, it's not honestly likely that you would "pick up" things not related to engineering. Those that did would be exemplary indeed.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:07
No.7683302

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:07 No.7683302

Replies: >>7683388

>>7683198
Anyone in industry knows that indians and chinese suck ass. They are the least creative people of all time.

Almost any company that outsourced a design job wants it back (and most have pulled them back already).

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:08
No.7683339

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:08 No.7683339

Replies: >>7683461

>>7683198
>Aka Expert in Chinese Catfish testes and ovaries.
>Enjoy your 40k a year job with the department of ish and wildlife.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:09
No.7683373

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:09 No.7683373

>>7683198
Considering the unemployment rate for those with a Computer Science degree is 3.5%. With the lowest national average being 3%. Ya the degree is worth something.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:09
No.7683383

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:09 No.7683383

Replies: >>7684918

File: 1353884997061.jpg-(14 KB, 300x234, word_to_ya_motha.jpg)

I'm deadly serious, OP. If you don't major in engineering (civil doesn't count), you are not going to accomplish what was in the original post.

Law school is a fraud. Economics/Finance is just asking to work in The Office. The rest of liberal arts is asking to work at Publix. Science degrees require a masters or PhD to be relevant.

Engineering is the way.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:10
No.7683388

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:10 No.7683388

Replies: >>7683450

>>7683302
>Supposed "knowledge jobs" are now all going to Chinese and Indians...

>muh western knowledge economy

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:12
No.7683450

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:12 No.7683450

File: 1353885176233.jpg-(86 KB, 676x669, jimmiebehringbreivik.jpg)

>>7683388
You are doing exactly what this guy said. >>7682711

You know nothing about how the technology/manufacturing/aerospace/engineering industries work, you are literally SPEWING shit that has been told to you by who fucking knows, while myself and other engineers in this thread can tell you that the US is hiring, engineering is a guaranteed "you won't be poor" stamp on your diploma, and you will actually be making a difference in the world, unlike everyone else.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:13
No.7683461

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:13 No.7683461

Replies: >>7683509

>>7683339
My jimmies were very rustled.

Fucking underfunding of science is the disease killing murikkka today.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:15
No.7683509

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:15 No.7683509

Replies: >>7683607

>>7683461
It's one of them.

>btw you scientist scum, don't forget that you're only the S in STEM

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:15
No.7683529

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:15 No.7683529

Replies: >>7683590 >>7683619

Computer science = dominated by hindus, at our own universities or in the workplace

Engineering = Dominated by the chinese, at our own universities or in the workplace

These two degrees are basically dead ends, unless you're a chink or hindu and then you have a pretty good chance.

in after butthurt neckbeards lamenting their dead-end careers.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:18
No.7683590

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:18 No.7683590

Replies: >>7683649

>>7683529
A lot of engineering jobs require US citizenship for security reasons.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:18
No.7683607

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:18 No.7683607

Replies: >>7683706

>>7683509
>yfw S is the only important part in STEM
>substandard applied trash everywhere
Except we all probabily should defer to Math, being the purist of the "pure sciences" after all.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:19
No.7683612

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:19 No.7683612

Replies: >>7683695

File: 1353885542411.gif-(554 KB, 295x221, 2lawm89.gif)

>>7682789

After you go to a four-year college, you don't even have to list that you have an associate's degree. It's only to lower the overall cost of college and transfer as many credits as possible while still being able to claim I have a college degree if I'm not able to finish my bachelor's.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:19
No.7683619

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:19 No.7683619

>>7683529

Take your uninformed opinion to >>7682711, because I have a job, there are no indians or chinese in the workplace at all, we outsource to mexico, not china, and there's nothing stopping white people from getting a degree in engineering and getting a job just like the asians - other than how fucking incompetent you are.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:20
No.7683649

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:20 No.7683649

Replies: >>7683692

>>7683590
chinks, hindus, and such also hold green cards, citizenship, are naturally born, etc.

You can thank immigration for that.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:22
No.7683692

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:22 No.7683692

Replies: >>7683735

>>7683649
Your run of the mill college Indian is just on a student visa, they aren't going to be able to get jobs in the defense industry.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:22
No.7683695

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:22 No.7683695

>>7683612
He didn't say anything about crossing over to a better school. Just getting the degree at some second rate college.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:22
No.7683706

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:22 No.7683706

Replies: >>7683831

>>7683607
>yfw scientists today are so retarded that if computer guys didn't build matlab or aspen plus, you'd be crushed under the weight of our technological development

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:23
No.7683735

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:23 No.7683735

>>7683692
And in reality, the only places that actually hire them are Google and Microsoft, which is not all that remarkable, nor is it an industry-wide phenomenon.

Fact is, there are jobs for engineers, and if you major in it, you will get one. A higher percentage of asians in the field than other fields means nothing other than that white people are pussies.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:23
No.7683745

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:23 No.7683745

>>7681007 (OP)
Formal education doesn't mean useful education. Most people get shit degrees and wonder why they are still in debt ten years later. If your degree can't be expected to pay for itself in a reasonable time then don't get it or don't bitch.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:25
No.7683797

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:25 No.7683797

Replies: >>7683818 >>7683906

>2012
>not going into finance and doing blow off strippers asses while being a hedgefund manager

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:25
No.7683806

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:25 No.7683806

Replies: >>7684223

File: 1353885946941.jpg-(14 KB, 354x352, 1341643333927.jpg)

God didn't put you on this earth to be a faggot. If you want a job, don't major in gender studies.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:26
No.7683818

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:26 No.7683818

>>7683797
Finance degree: the fastpass to being Angela in The Office

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:26
No.7683828

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:26 No.7683828

>>7682888
You will be obsolete less than five years into the market. All CS majors learn this phrase: "Welcome to Wal-mart".

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:26
No.7683831

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:26 No.7683831

Replies: >>7683916 >>7683917

>>7683706
How does it make you feel computer related bullshit will forever be a support service amounting to little more then the cost of doing business?

Any idiot paid below minimum wage (most of >>>/g/) can make software and manage IT type crap. It takes a scientist to discover and quantify real knowledge.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:29
No.7683906

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:29 No.7683906

>>7683797
>studying finance in order to become a hedge fund manager

your time would be better spent blowing jewish cock for four years

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:29
No.7683909

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:29 No.7683909

Replies: >>7683983

>>7682666
>Im joining the military even though there is a chance i might get killed. Death is kiss compared to a lifetime of poverty.

And what if you'll get injured? It's actually far more common these days (due to IEDs etc.).
Life is even more harsh for disabled people, poor at least have their health more or less intact.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:30
No.7683916

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:30 No.7683916

>>7683831
>It takes a scientist to discover and quantify real knowledge.
No, we have computers for that now. Your job is to masterbate in front of your TV and wait for your check.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:30
No.7683917

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:30 No.7683917

Replies: >>7684207 >>7684401

>>7683831
Which is why all of us know the names of so many relevant contemporary scientists, as opposed to the names of relevant contemporary technologists.

I've got my Steve Jobs, who have you got?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:31
No.7683940

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:31 No.7683940

Replies: >>7683962

I hear Jews have money. Why not study to become a Jew?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:31
No.7683962

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:31 No.7683962

>>7683940
Just marry one.

Except that only a disowned jew would marry outside the cult

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:31
No.7683967

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:31 No.7683967

You can go here for free and learn a trade.
http://www.jobcorps.gov/home.aspx

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:31
No.7683973

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:31 No.7683973

>>7681603
>hurr durr semantics

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:32
No.7683983

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:32 No.7683983

>>7683909
the guy is talking about the chairforce man.
the only guys that ever really see action in that branch are the PJ's.
>IED
my sides

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:33
No.7684013

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:33 No.7684013

Replies: >>7684041

>>7681007 (OP)
>only wanting 30k a year
>being a pleb

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:34
No.7684041

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:34 No.7684041

Replies: >>7684289

>>7684013
He said not 30k a year.

30k a year is poor.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:40
No.7684207

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:40 No.7684207

Replies: >>7684288 >>7684401

>>7683917
Let me count the ways...
Bill Gates - Do i even need to say?
Bjarne Soustroup - Creator of C++
Larry Wall - Inventor of Perl
Richard Stallman/Linus Torvald - Creators of Linux
John Backus - Creator of FORTRAN ie the computer language used to programming mostly everything in modern society. Such as Street lights, Microwaves, Cars, Calculators, Most medical equipment.

The list goes on.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:41
No.7684223

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:41 No.7684223

Replies: >>7684272

>>7683806
>major in gender studies

What is Gender studies?
Liberal arts?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:42
No.7684267

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:42 No.7684267

Replies: >>7684307 >>7684356 >>7684830

>>7682711

But even half the STEM majors are shit. Degrees in things like Biology, Archaeology, and Math are about as useful as History or English. Not to mention every neckbeard in America is taking fucking Computer Science.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:42
No.7684272

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:42 No.7684272

Replies: >>7684445

>>7684223
Uh, no, cis scum. It is a major in which you study gender.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:43
No.7684288

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:43 No.7684288

Replies: >>7684356

>>7684207
So either you're not the scientist I was talking to, or you're agreeing with me that technologists are way more important than scientists in 2012

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:43
No.7684289

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:43 No.7684289

>>7684041

If you lived off 22k a year which is very much possible. And put away 8k a year. And retired at 65. You would have nearly 50k a year for 20 years retirement.

Not really that poor.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:43
No.7684295

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:43 No.7684295

Replies: >>7684345 >>7686625

>get degree in almost any engineering field
>50-60k starting

There you go, you would think that more people would go into engineering in this economy, but for some reason more youth choose arts or something.

Are Americans retarded or are they just retarded?

>inb4 haha you aspie STEM major, I'm going to be making bank at wallstreet with my philosophy degree

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:44
No.7684307

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:44 No.7684307

>>7684267
Correction, every neckbeard in America is taking graphic design or video game design.

Trust me, only ballers actually DO computer science (as in, with the mathematics part).

You are right, though, the S in STEM is pretty shitty.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:45
No.7684345

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:45 No.7684345

Replies: >>7684405

>>7684295
Americans are reeeetarded.

And that is why the indians and chinese are so prevalent in Engineering today. Not because they're smart, but because ENGINEERING IS TOO HARD BAWWWWW I JUST WANT TO PARTY AND DRINK IN COLLEGE BAWWWW WHY DON'T I GET A JOB WITH MY BUSINESS DEGREE

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:46
No.7684356

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:46 No.7684356

Replies: >>7684392

>>7684288
No im not the scientist. And yes technologists are the First estate of the modern world.

>>7684267
Yes there are WAAAY to many people majoring in CS. But most of them fail out of college freshman year. Or somehow graduate and find out that they can't do shit. Like programming. There are alot of failed wanna be programmers that go into college saying they want to make games or make alot of money.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:47
No.7684392

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:47 No.7684392

>>7684356
Well, again, it's only because "CS" includes bullshit like digital art.

Shit like that really IS liberal arts for neckbeards who can't get along with real liberal arts majors.

They did comp sci because they wanted to make AssCreed 4, but then they realize it's tooooo hard, and they end up becoming little queers who cry a lot and get their careers stolen by Sandeep and Ping Po.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:48
No.7684401

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:48 No.7684401

Replies: >>7684512

>>7683917
>>7684207
>implying any of these faggots mean shit
>what are they except support services for the main function of any entity?
Enjoy your pleb "popular publications". And I bet you think the more popular something is, the better, right?

>obviously never read an academic journal or met the amazing people that is at the frontier of discoveries today

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:48
No.7684405

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:48 No.7684405

Replies: >>7684456 >>7686670

>>7684345
This is where the baby boomers are at fault. They told all of us to go to college so we wouldn't have to flip burgers. They said we could go to college. Have fun and enjoy our youth while we were there. And have a spot in the job market waiting for us right out of college.

Now they call us entitled assholes for not wanting to flip burgers with a masters in law.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:49
No.7684445

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:49 No.7684445

Replies: >>7684534

>>7684272
>you study gender

So it must be medicine then, like Gynecology?
(yes, i'm new here)

>cis scum
But i'm not from Commonwealth of Independent States.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:50
No.7684456

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:50 No.7684456

>>7684405
>masters in law

Maybe you should of gotten a degree that actually exists.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:52
No.7684512

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:52 No.7684512

Replies: >>7684545 >>7684704

File: 1353887541433.png-(117 KB, 277x273, lolol.png)

>>7684401
You are such a dick in balls, calling "technology" as a whole a "support service" for "real science."

Cry more, kid. Science had its day, but you wouldn't be anywhere without computers these days.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:53
No.7684534

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:53 No.7684534

>>7684445
Check your cis privilege, scum.

You learn about how *gendered people are oppressed by our society, and how straight white men are to blame. Just because I have a penis doesn't mean I can't be a lesbian.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:53
No.7684545

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:53 No.7684545

Replies: >>7684600

>>7684512
Bump mainly. But i hear Biology is doing pretty well these days. Then again i haven't looked into it because i don't give a fuck about a bunch of neck beards injecting sugar water into rats.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:55
No.7684600

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:55 No.7684600

Replies: >>7684766

>>7684545
I wouldn't say strictly biology. Medical research fields are booming, but that's going to take more than just biology.

>may I suggest chemical engineering or biological engineering

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)18:59
No.7684704

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)18:59 No.7684704

Replies: >>7684752

>>7684512
>Implying technology has ever been more then a support service
Lets use an example.

Why does a company have an IT dept? it support their main function and business lines. Maybe they sell shit, provide a service, or what have you.

The company's main goal is to make money. IT helps them do it better then without. No one give a fuck about what IT is as long as it works and dosent cause trouble.

Science is no different. U MAD? You remind me of the IT scum from undergrad who think the tail wags the dog and they somehow are an important part of the organization.

IT is no different than HR, except its full of people why cant speak english and have no social skills. You can at least carry on a pleasent conversation with people in the HR dept.

Deal with it.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:00
No.7684725

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:00 No.7684725

I took a class in gender studies, it was awesome.

We had a private discussion board and were required to make at least one post per week about a relevant subject.

I ended up getting multiple talking-tos from the teacher's assistant about my posts.

I made one saying that no one watches the WNBA because it is bad.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:00
No.7684752

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:00 No.7684752

Replies: >>7684855

>>7684704
But I'm not IT, and technology on the whole is not "IT". We are Intel, we are Microsoft, we are the Defense Industry.

And even WE make fun of IT people.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:01
No.7684766

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:01 No.7684766

Replies: >>7684828

>>7684600
>You mean to say "applied chemistry" and "applied biology"

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:03
No.7684828

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:03 No.7684828

Replies: >>7685273 >>7685408

File: 1353888234329.jpg-(25 KB, 576x324, johnlsmith.jpg)

>>7684766
Look bitch, chemical engineers have to take ALL OF YOUR SHITTY CHEMISTRY CLASSES, and MORE, and that's why THEY get jobs with a bachelor's degree, while an actual Chemist needs a Master's or a PhD

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:03
No.7684829

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:03 No.7684829

Replies: >>7686740

File: 1353888234732.jpg-(108 KB, 720x720, 264840_10150698932175545_(...).jpg)

Obligatory Chart

Also engineers shit on technicians for fun and fuck their wives.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:03
No.7684830

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:03 No.7684830

Replies: >>7684876

>>7684267
>But even half the STEM majors are shit. Degrees in things like Biology, Archaeology, and Math are about as useful as History or English.

If everyone will follow this trend then there will be overproduction of SC specialists. Which in future can lead to very unpleasant consequences. Nobody remembers dotcom bubble anymore?
Everyone just thinks about high (starting) wage, right here and right now. Maybe someone, who is a good biologist or other "shitty" scientist should choose a different path. If he will be seduced by a "good money" in IT industry, then he will probably become just an average programmer, maybe a Project manager.
Instead he can pursue his dream job, which doesn't offer such lucrative salary straight sway, but if he has a passion for his job he can achieve (and consequently earn) far more than just being an average programmer.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:04
No.7684855

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:04 No.7684855

Replies: >>7685007

>>7684752
This should explain everything.

Computer Engineering - How to build computer systems.

Computer Science - How to program computers from a theoretical perspective.

Information Systems - How to take advantage of computers in a business environment.

Information Technology - "My email isn't working. How do I make that 'a' with a circle around it?"

Software Engineering - How to build complex software systems.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:05
No.7684876

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:05 No.7684876

>>7684830
That is why I call engineering or technology a "guarantee that you wont' be poor".

I didn't guarantee you will be rich, much less 1% rich, but you will NOT be in bad shape (ever)

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:06
No.7684918

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:06 No.7684918

Replies: >>7685418

>>7683383
>Science degrees require or PhD to be relevant
So you rather be lazy than work for success?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:08
No.7684962

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:08 No.7684962

Unlesd you get scholarship, go to local community college and get 2 yr degree with high GPA, go to a shit entry level job, move up, get job with good company, have that company pay for university

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:09
No.7685007

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:09 No.7685007

>>7684855
Spoiler warning, if it has "information" in it, it's for dummies

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:10
No.7685043

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:10 No.7685043

File: 1353888650265.png-(258 KB, 304x439, scooby.png)

Hey scientist guy, are you the 30 year old with the MS wife who was going on about right wing shit yesterday?

Because if so, you are crazy.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:13
No.7685122

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:13 No.7685122

STEM is dying in the US because everyone in STEM thinks everyone else in STEM is a piece of shit

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:14
No.7685181

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:14 No.7685181

Replies: >>7685222

File: 1353888885652.jpg-(116 KB, 500x375, 14juj9f.jpg)

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies
>Gender studies is a field of interdisciplinary study and academic field devoted to gender identity and gendered representation as central categories of analysis. This field includes Women's studies (concerning women, feminism, gender, and politics), Men's studies, and LGBT studies.
>Men's studies, and LGBT studies.

aww shiit, you guys weren't trolling me after all.
I thought it's just a local meme for Liberal Arts or something.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:16
No.7685222

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:16 No.7685222

Replies: >>7685275

>>7685181
Hell no, man.

It is a major, and I took a class in it, and people take it VERY SERIOUSLY

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:17
No.7685273

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:17 No.7685273

Replies: >>7685311

>>7684828
>scum who want jurbs instead of real scientific discovery
sums up every engineering scum there is

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:17
No.7685275

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:17 No.7685275

>>7685222
I took the class because I was required to by the state of Florida, by the way.

>Bush's America

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:18
No.7685311

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:18 No.7685311

File: 1353889106049.png-(7 KB, 360x279, a1HPA.png)

>>7685273
WHAT SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?

Engineers and their ilk have invented everything relevant in the past 10 years. You're welcome, iPad user.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:21
No.7685408

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:21 No.7685408

>>7684828
>chemstry
you mean applied physics?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:21
No.7685418

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:21 No.7685418

Replies: >>7685484

>>7684918
>Implying most masters and PhD is sciences don't have engineering bachelors

You do realizes you can take a Chemical Engineering Bachelor (much more valuable than a Chemisty BoS) and then go on to a masters in plain old Chemistry right? Same thing for most other fields (CS and Math, Bio, probably something like mechanical engineering for physics)

Engineering degrees are just much more versatile than BoS

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:23
No.7685484

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:23 No.7685484

Replies: >>7685521 >>7685666

>>7685418
Please explain this more in relation to Computer Science.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:24
No.7685521

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:24 No.7685521

Replies: >>7685666

>>7685484
There is no "higher" science you translate computer science into, if that's what you're asking about.

You can get a PhD in computer science, and that is what tends to happen.

Computer science is honestly more of a mathematics discipline.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:27
No.7685582

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:27 No.7685582

Replies: >>7685870

File: 1353889633992.png-(467 KB, 625x587, nopeitsjustme_jackblack.png)

You could have a engineering degree (non-medical) from a top notch school but it wouldn't matter for shit unless you market your skills and are personable.

The stories you hear from people in humanities and liberal arts being crushed by debt are the bottom of the barrel, they never took the initiative to market themselves or their degree to an optimal level.

Also computer science and engineering (again non medical leaning) majors in America are over saturating the the job market for STEM's. If you want to make a shit ton of money in the next decade I suggest majoring in geriatric medicine or bio medical engineering.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:28
No.7685617

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:28 No.7685617

Replies: >>7685786 >>7685848 >>7686072

File: 1353889700903.jpg-(25 KB, 584x439, elzhi.jpg)

For anyone who is curious about what you have to do to make it into the millionaire+ range, you have two options:

1. Get a Masters from an Ivy League School and connect your way to a senior position in whatever you've specialized in.

2. Start your own company, get lucky, take a buyout

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:30
No.7685666

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:30 No.7685666

>>7685484
what this >>7685521 guy said. Computer Science means you can go on to get a degree in mathematics, and at the bachelors level is probably infinitely more useful than a Math BoS

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:34
No.7685786

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:34 No.7685786

Replies: >>7685908 >>7686072

>>7685617
Ivy league Master here. It's not going to make you a millionaire. You'll enjoy many of the comforts of a millionaire, such as status, especially when away on research conferences, but you'll never actually be a millionaire. Not that it matters, since for most of us it's about the science and not the money.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:34
No.7685790

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:34 No.7685790

bump

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:36
No.7685848

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:36 No.7685848

Replies: >>7685994

>>7685617
Most people who do upper middle class work can become millionaires if they live outside of the cities.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:36
No.7685870

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:36 No.7685870

>>7685582
There are some true and some not-so-true things in this post.

It is true that engineers do have to market themselves somewhat in order to get a job (we all have to go through interviews, after all), but marketing an engineer is WAY easier than marketing an anthropology major, to be frank.

I wouldn't say the computer engineering/science market is saturated UNLESS you take the caveat I noted earlier in this thread, where computer science includes the /retards/ who do Digital Arts/Graphic Design/Video Game design.

What you have in that case is a grossly oversaturated field of useless skillsets. Actual, honest-to-goodness engineering and computer science requires a less common set of skills that requires dedication and discipline to learn, and I don't find the market to be oversaturated at all.

I went to the flagship university of my state, and we almost CANNED our computer science department due to lack of enrollment.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:37
No.7685908

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:37 No.7685908

Replies: >>7686072

>>7685786
Perhaps you should have gotten a Masters of Business instead of a Masters of Science.

MBA from Harvard goes a long way. I feel like half the execs I resume-check have one (or similar).

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:40
No.7685994

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:40 No.7685994

>>7685848
I'm not quite sure about that. I mean, if I saved up my salary for some years, I'd have a million dollars, but I don't view that as "being a millionaire."

If they are upper-middle class business owners, it's certainly likely, but my post was more directed to younger people. Younger people who want to get rich fast, not over the course of 20-30 years of working their way up.

If you want it fast, starting your own business and getting big investments is the way to go. But that takes luck more than it takes skill.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:42
No.7686023

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:42 No.7686023

Replies: >>7686036 >>7686126

File: 1353890520116.jpg-(72 KB, 512x384, image.jpg)

Good luck with your service sector economy, Romans.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:42
No.7686036

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:42 No.7686036

Replies: >>7686135

>>7686023
And what do YOU do?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:43
No.7686072

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:43 No.7686072

Replies: >>7686182

>>7685617
>>7685786
Continuing on the only real ways to become a millionaire are:

Get lucky with marketing an new invention or service: see Facebook/Velcro/etc.

play the stock market: either with one lucky investment in a new technology, or a steady stream of good investments in commodities. See anyone who invested in major IT services and an example of the former, and Warren Buffet as an example of the latter.

Get a law degree and become a slimy politician. I.e. Barrack Obama and nearly everyone in congress today

So to sum it up to become a millionaire you have to either:
predict the future
or game the system

>>7685908
Possibly, I'm not interested in being rich though, and I enjoy the science. Besides I think there are more MBA from Harvard who failed trying to be execs than there are MoS from MIT who failed to get a respectable research or industry job with most of the comforts one expects.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:45
No.7686126

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:45 No.7686126

Replies: >>7686196

>>7686023
good luck with your products in a post scarcity economy spongebob

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:45
No.7686135

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:45 No.7686135

Replies: >>7686158

File: 1353890759759.jpg-(69 KB, 512x384, image.jpg)

>>7686036
Farmer. I grow food. And you eat it. My job is garunteed unless of course you evolve past food.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:46
No.7686158

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:46 No.7686158

Replies: >>7686258 >>7686356

>>7686135
>implying Monsanto is not going to wipe. you. out.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:47
No.7686169

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:47 No.7686169

>>7681428
>treads all day about how manufacturing jobs like machinists only get paid just barely over minimum wage
>OH SHIT GUYS THERE'S A SHORTAGE
They just don't want to work for something that amounts to under a living wage and I don't blame them

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:47
No.7686182

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:47 No.7686182

>>7686072
You've got the problem laid out correctly.

No matter how you play it, getting rich is a chance game. You only hear about the success stories, and not the huge percentage of failures.

Making a living is good enough.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:48
No.7686196

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:48 No.7686196

>>7686126
>post scarcity
You believe that post industrial shuck and jive? Lel

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:51
No.7686258

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:51 No.7686258

Replies: >>7686333

File: 1353891067349.jpg-(46 KB, 512x384, image.jpg)

>>7686158
No I have the market cornered for naturally grown produce at my farmers market. Some people don't like govt monopolies.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:51
No.7686263

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:51 No.7686263

Replies: >>7686364 >>7686384 >>7686680

I'm a business intelligence analyst for IBM. I work as a SQL developer for a subsidiary in the finance/mortgaging sector. I make $75,000 a year, base/gross pay .. plus about $5000 a year in bonuses and $2-3000 a year in various investments.

I have a lousy associates of arts degree in music from a shitty eastern Oregon community college.

I have climbed my way to where I am by raising my hand and volunteering. It's astounded me how much my coworkers, across all my past and current places of work, refuse to do this.

They say they don't want to do more work and not get paid for it. I say, you're getting paid to get educated.

My VP sat me down at a recent one on one and explained that we have to get off of SQL and .NET, and move toward IBM products, like Informatica, Java and DB2. Would I be interested in taking some of these assignments on she said.

All my colleagues have refused. I eagerly accepted. Once I get 6-18 months in, I'll be exponentially more marketable, able to seek out senior positions for firms like JP Morgan or John Deere.

Get a job.
Work your ass off.
Raise your hand and do more.

This is how you get ahead without a formal education.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:54
No.7686333

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:54 No.7686333

>>7686258
You don't get to "not like" government monopolies.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:55
No.7686356

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:55 No.7686356

>>7686158
>not licencing monsanto IP and growing their shit

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:55
No.7686364

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:55 No.7686364

Replies: >>7686573

File: 1353891335509.png-(233 KB, 476x353, joey.png)

>>7686263
>My VP sat me down at a recent one on one and explained that we have to get off of SQL and .NET, and move toward IBM products, like Informatica, Java and DB2. Would I be interested in taking some of these assignments on she said.

You have unwittingly clued us in to the future downfall of IBM (btw, all of your products are shit).

Everyone fade IBM in the stock market! They are the next HP!

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:56
No.7686384

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:56 No.7686384

Replies: >>7686573

>>7686263
How old are you?

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:57
No.7686412

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:57 No.7686412

Only in America does tertiary education cost that much, and for that I am deeply sorry on behalf of you intelligent Americans who wish to either study things, or get into post-graduate careers. You really do deserve better.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)19:58
No.7686449

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)19:58 No.7686449

>>7681171

>Employers are going to be camping out on my front lawn to hire me.

Oh man you really believe this, don't you?

It's who you know, buddy. If you don't have connections, you'd have a hard time getting a decent job even if our economy wasn't in the shitter. Thanks to Obamacare businesses aren't going to be able to afford to hire as many employees either.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:01
No.7686525

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:01 No.7686525

Replies: >>7686600

>>7682711

>STEM

6/10, I giggled.

Enjoy making steady pay and never getting rich.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:02
No.7686573

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:02 No.7686573

Replies: >>7686645

>>7686364
IBM is already moving out of products like servers and software, and into services. GPS and GBS grew from 15% of total revenue in 2009, to 40% in 2010. We intend to make servicing account for 70% of our revenue by 2020.

This isn't secret insider shit.

They would just prefer we use enterprise products for enterprise clients. DB2 makes more sense for Cisco or Banco Mexico contracts, than a shitty MS SQL data farm.

Drop the stock I don't give a fuck. The ten year trend is, has always been, and will continue to be, upward.

(NB4 someone points out a 2 point Q32012 decline)

***
>>7686384
38. I'm fuckin old I know.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:03
No.7686600

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:03 No.7686600

>>7686525
Read more of the thread if you want to know the real probability of ever "getting rich."

99% of this country WANTS steady pay, jackass.

Steady pay means I have a car, apartment, stupid shit like TVs and computers, any food I want, and FREE TIME.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:04
No.7686625

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:04 No.7686625

Replies: >>7686668

>>7684295

>50-60k
>worth shit

Oh man enjoy a life of mediocrity.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:05
No.7686645

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:05 No.7686645

Replies: >>7686914

>>7686573
>That's what they said about the housing market

But seriously, the Rational Suite is the worst thing I have ever used, thank you, IBM.

I don't actually know anything about your DB solutions. I'm sure my undisclosed company probably uses them, but I don't work in that area.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:06
No.7686668

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:06 No.7686668

>>7686625
>thinks you need 6 figures to be happy

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:06
No.7686670

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:06 No.7686670

>>7684405

>masters in law

If you paid for this degree you might want to get your money back.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:06
No.7686680

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:06 No.7686680

>>7686263
"This is how you get ahead without a formal education"
"I have a lousy associates of arts degree" HI-HI-HI-HI-Hypocrite.

"Get a job.
Work you ass off.
Raise your hand and do more."
Tell that to everyone who wasn't given the chance to do that like you did.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:08
No.7686740

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:08 No.7686740

Replies: >>7686916 >>7686939

>>7684829

>finance
>accounting
>business
>law
>not god tier

Confirmed for having no real world experience. If you want to make fucking bank and you're a STEM major you're doing it wrong.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:15
No.7686914

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:15 No.7686914

>>7686645
> But seriously, the Rational Suite is the worst thing I have ever used

Fair enough. Same could be said for Lotus.

Informatica and SPSS rock though. Everyone swears by java. And DB2 sounds kind of god like in terms of data management, migration, and documentation.

Anyway, OP asked a question. How do you get a decent salary without a decent education. I answered him.

You work your ass off.
You raise your hand and volunteer.
You become more marketable this way.

It's worked for me. Started out as a bumbling desktop support tech years ago, today I manage a bunch of products for a major loan servicer.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:15
No.7686916

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:15 No.7686916

>>7686740
Uhhhh, actually, unless you are a lucky finance guy or an entrepreneur who gets a buyout, none of those professions are going to guarantee shit but a rough time in an oversaturated job market.

Not everyone is smart enough to be an engineer. EVERYONE is smart enough to do those 4 four fields, and that is what you see as the most common majors in any university.

Even women major in that shit, come on man.

Anonymous
11/25/12(Sun)20:16
No.7686939

Anonymous 11/25/12(Sun)20:16 No.7686939

>>7686740
You will never get rich having a boss. And by rich i mean the 1% like 340k-380k a year. And that's entry level.
You want to be rich? Either start a business and get lucky. Or pull off a Mitt Romney.