Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:34
No.7478166

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:34 No.7478166

Replies: >>7479592

I'm as anti-union as they come but there was other issues here.

The more I read about this, the more it seems like the leadership is scapegoating the workers.

scenario 1
>company goes bankrupt
>CEO gets huge bonus
>the end

scenario 2
>workers strike
>company goes bankrupt
>CEO gets huge bonus
>the end

We can definitely talk about union busting because they are bad for a lot of reasons, but Hostess isn't really a great example (for people who look beyond what the news media reports).

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:35
No.7478169

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:35 No.7478169

Replies: >>7478585

They were, in the past. But the pendulum swings and now it's the Unions shitting on the Management. Guess all it shows is that people like ruining each other when they have the power.

I just prefer the Management having the reigns, because it's better for the economy.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:36
No.7478189

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:36 No.7478189

Replies: >>7479478

They've been in terminal decline and unprofitability, the unions were just the straw that broke the camels back. That said, I'd still be pissed as an employee, a few extra years on lower wages is better than what they get now.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:37
No.7478193

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:37 No.7478193

Replies: >>7478311 >>7479644

File: 1353321425152.png-(172 KB, 400x300, are you fucking kidding.png)

I never did understand the point of striking for better wages in times of crisis. It's been happening a lot in Britain, too.

>Country goes to shit, companies lose hella money
>Because of this, they can't afford to pay their workforce as much
>Workforce flips shit and refuses to work
>Company goes bust, workforce sacked, nobody wins

Seriously though, what happened to being in this shit together, and for the good of the country?

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:37
No.7478209

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:37 No.7478209

Replies: >>7478315 >>7479592

Unions were just the final nail in the coffin.

Hostess has been dead for almost a decade now. The union strike was the final blow.

No one buys the products anymore, they hire upper management now just to be scapegoats, the ceo just did a massive pump and dump with the companies remaining cash, and they gave out unrealistic and unsustainable pensions in their heyday.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:39
No.7478233

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:39 No.7478233

Because unions cause unemployment... Oh wait

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:40
No.7478249

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:40 No.7478249

Replies: >>7478315 >>7479592

Now for the part that doesn't fit the /pol/ narrative.

The company has had a half-dozen different CEOs in the past few years and management has been a revolving door of incompetence that couldn't fix a company whose products were simply no longer wanted in a modern more health-conscious market.

Just 3 years prior to this 8% wage cut, the workers already agreed to a similarly sized wage cut to help pay for a ridiculous pension plan that Hostess made during much better times and was entirely unsustainable when the recession hit.

Additionally, even during the hard times the owners and management gave themselves large bonuses - sometimes tripling their own pay while they were a billion dollars in the hole on their pension programs.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:42
No.7478276

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:42 No.7478276

File: 1353321754972.png-(204 KB, 259x374, chink.png)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iinU2fwcgo

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:45
No.7478311

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:45 No.7478311

>>7478193
>Seriously though, what happened to being in this shit together, and for the good of the country?

Fair enough. We can start by paying the executives the same wage as the workers.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:45
No.7478315

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:45 No.7478315

Replies: >>7479592

>>7478249

Hostess couldn't figure out how to sell fried sugar cakes to health conscious people and they didn't even try to make competitive products to those people.

As I said in >>7478209, it's just been one big investor scam to squeeze the remaining life out of the company.

The ceos they keep bringing in were never meant to fix anything. They were just scapegoats to point at when the investors wanted someone to blame.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:47
No.7478346

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:47 No.7478346

Replies: >>7479592

>people cant afford twinkies likes they used to anymore
>demand goes down
>blame the unions and not the low wages

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:47
No.7478350

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:47 No.7478350

Replies: >>7479592

>>7478111 (OP)
>>company is crippled as fuck because of this
>because of this

no. the company was bankrupt years ago. The company hired a liquidation expert, drained the business of all funds, gave the top 10 people 300% raises, and then blamed the issues on the unions wanting 8%.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:48
No.7478368

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:48 No.7478368

File: 1353322115222.jpg-(400 KB, 2550x1310, twinkie_famine__complete_(...).jpg)

>>7478111 (OP)
>twinkies are biggest news in USA

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:49
No.7478378

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:49 No.7478378

>Impying twinkies are better than cheeseburgers

>Communist detected

GTFO


GTFO
GTFOOO


GTFOOO

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:50
No.7478399

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:50 No.7478399

File: 1353322235733.jpg-(10 KB, 307x409, whitest_man_in_Argentina.jpg)

Daily reminder the CEO of Hostess couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_F._Rayburn

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:50
No.7478404

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:50 No.7478404

Replies: >>7478670 >>7479665 >>7479981 >>7480042

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2012/11/18/hostess-twinkie-defense-is-a-management-failure/

The CEO's wikipedia page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_F._Rayburn

Hostess executive pay raises as of July 2012

Brian Driscoll, CEO, around $750,000 to $2,550,000
Gary Wandschneider, EVP, $500,000 to $900,000
John Stewart, EVP, $400,000 to $700,000
David Loeser, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
Kent Magill, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
Richard Seban, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
John Akeson, SVP, $300,000 to $480,000
Steven Birgfeld, SVP, $240,000 to $360,000
Martha Ross, SVP, $240,000 to $360,000
Rob Kissick, SVP, $182,000 to $273,008

Source WSJ

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:50
No.7478405

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:50 No.7478405

Capitalists shouldn't have been so greedy and given their employees a decent wage and conditions if they didn't want their business to close down.

It seems they are so greedy they have bitten off their nose to spite their face. Now they have no business.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:52
No.7478419

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:52 No.7478419

Replies: >>7478808

I went to Walmart last Wednesday and there were so many people there trying to buy twinkies that they put them in the back and you had to take a number.

I didn't realize it at first, because I don't eat fucking twinkies, but there were at least 40 people in line because they thought they could buy boxes and flip them on ebay for $100 a box.

Blows my mind

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:55
No.7478473

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:55 No.7478473

Replies: >>7478482 >>7478520

>that feel when these shitbags get to leech off of unemployment because apparently no job > job.

Seriously, how fucking retarded can you be that you would throw away your job?

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:56
No.7478482

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:56 No.7478482

Replies: >>7478514 >>7478537

>>7478473

You answered your own question.

It's not retarded at all though.

Why work when you can keep the same quality of life just by living off the government tit.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:57
No.7478500

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:57 No.7478500

>>7478111 (OP)
>Tell me why worker unions are good?

tl;dr: Because without a union, the cumswallowing the Hostess stockholders and directors were planning to give the workers might have gone through. Now the workers get first claim on the assets and the stockholders and directors get the fuck-all they deserve.

Because the company tried to unilaterally push wage and benefit cuts on workers, without restricting management wages, self-dealing in subcontracting, or giving the workers and equity position proportionate to the cuts they were taking, the workers voted to not work. Good for them. The management could have hired new workers except... that would have cost more than they had left. Oh well. The workers get more money than they would have letting themselves get shafted. The owners and managers get nothing.

Next time the operators and owners of a Chapter 11 basket case try to milk a few more bucks out of a grossly mismanaged firm by fucking over its workers, maybe they'll think twice.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:58
No.7478514

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:58 No.7478514

Replies: >>7478595

>>7478482
>Why work when you can keep the same quality of life just by living off the government tit.

How seriously retarded can you be for thinking America's social safety net is anything but slow starvation?

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:58
No.7478520

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:58 No.7478520

Replies: >>7478581

>>7478473
How retard would you have to be to carry on working at a jib when you could get the same money fro doing nothing.

Some people really have no rational self interest. Their decision making process is corrupted by years of corporate propaganda and brainwashing. These people wouldn't last five minutes in a stateless society where they have to act and think for themselves.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)05:59
No.7478537

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)05:59 No.7478537

Replies: >>7478595

>>7478482

Unemployment isn't going to last long

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:02
No.7478581

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:02 No.7478581

>>7478520
>get the same money fro doing nothing.

Don't think so Tim

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:02
No.7478585

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:02 No.7478585

>>7478169

>I just prefer the Management having the reigns, because it's better for the the management's Cayman Island bank accounts.

FTFY.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:03
No.7478595

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:03 No.7478595

Replies: >>7478707

>>7478514

Those people don't think like that. They only live day to day for themselves.

Thanks to our "no hurt feelings" government, the federal government guarantees all those pensions, so there is literally no reason for the workers not to tank the business if they don't get their way.

I don't blame them for it either. Hostess tried to royally fuck all those workers over before the bankruptcy.

>>7478537
Unemployment lasts almost two years now.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:03
No.7478600

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:03 No.7478600

>>7478111 (OP)
> crippled because of the strike
still drinking this kool-aid, eh ol' chap?

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:07
No.7478670

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:07 No.7478670

Replies: >>7478677 >>7478705 >>7478736

>>7478404
Hot damn, that is pretty low pay for executives. Where the hell is that bitch ennui, I want to rub this in his face.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:07
No.7478677

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:07 No.7478677

Replies: >>7478783

>>7478670
> that's pretty low pay for executives
well the business was in bankruptcy you know

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:09
No.7478705

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:09 No.7478705

Replies: >>7478783

>>7478670

Bonuses?

But you're missing the point that they were still giving themselves these raises (however low the salaries) as the company was circling the drain.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:09
No.7478707

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:09 No.7478707

Replies: >>7478746 >>7478777

>>7478595
>Those people don't think like that. They only live day to day for themselves.
>Those people

WTF is this, 1955? "Those people"!

You, Anon, are a dickless wonder. Either own up to your racism, classism, and general douchebaggery or GTFO.

>the federal government guarantees all those pensions, so there is literally no reason for the workers not to tank the business if they don't get their way.

No, it guarantees a fairly small part of those pensions. It should have passed laws requiring businesses to set money aside for pensions in the form of paid annuities. But no... the businessmen didn't like that.

And do you really think this is about petulance? Those workers will suffer for their unemployment, just less than they would have being fucked over by Hostess for another year or two before being in exactly the same spot-

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:11
No.7478736

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:11 No.7478736

>>7478670

>Business is fucked, management gives themselves raises.
>Union workers destroyed Hostess

This is what capitalists believe.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:12
No.7478739

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:12 No.7478739

They had a place when they were first created, but the pendulum has swung way too far in the other direction. They're not good. I had a friend who was working for GM out of high school. He was making $30 an hour at 19. That'a way too much for unskilled labor. He's really stupid too. If you knew him, you'd understand. He can barely speak. His dad works for GM too. He's stupid and overpaid as well.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:12
No.7478746

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:12 No.7478746

>>7478707
>implying referencing a group ofyou other people as "those" had intended racist connotations
chill out librul

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:14
No.7478777

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:14 No.7478777

Replies: >>7478842

>>7478707

Back to reddit you nigger faggot

I was referring to union members, not niggers.

Hostess didn't owe those people anything. They paid them their wages, which is much higher than average for bakery workers.

The company was riddled with incompetence and bad business decisions. They had to pay 300% profits to lure ceos in as scapegoats so they could have someone to blame as the stock holder meetings. The company paid for these decisions because it is gone now.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:15
No.7478783

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:15 No.7478783

>>7478705
>>7478677
The senior VP's are making less than medical surgeons, various doctors, engineers, etc.
>less than 300k for running a company
Also that is a very small management team. Many companies have larger boards and upper management.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:17
No.7478808

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:17 No.7478808

Replies: >>7478850 >>7478879

>>7478419
but you can. check ebay. boxes of twinkies are selling for upwards of $50

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:17
No.7478810

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:17 No.7478810

All I see is junk food companies going out of business and fast "food" places increasing their prices. Unions seem to be increasing the overall health of America.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:20
No.7478842

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:20 No.7478842

>>7478777
>I was referring to union members, not niggers.

Okay, so you're just a douchebag. Really, wtf is wrong with you? Do you seriously think union members just say to themselves "whoa! we're set now! No need to save or think or aspire!"

>Hostess didn't owe those people anything.

Except the wages, pensions and benefits that their employment contracts specified. When Hostess used Ch. 11 to get out of it, the union said no.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:20
No.7478850

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:20 No.7478850

Replies: >>7478875

>>7478808
I didn't think ebay let you sell foodstuffs

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:22
No.7478875

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:22 No.7478875

>>7478850
apparently they do

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:22
No.7478879

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:22 No.7478879

Replies: >>7479248

>>7478808

People are stupid.

Hostess is bankrupt. Its name, brand names, and recipes will be for sale in the liquidation. Someone will buy the "Twinkie" brand and recipe and start making them again soon enough.

True, the age of the Twinkie is probably over, for some of the reasons Hostess is now dead. It's plastic food and its shit for you. But as long as there are people to pay, someone will make them.

If it was me, I'd buy Twinkies and sell it as a boutique, up-market form of retro hipster junk food rather than trying to get them on the shelves at Walmart.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:50
No.7479248

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:50 No.7479248

Replies: >>7479458

>>7478879
If it was me, I'd bend you over and jam twinkies up your butt, and then make you eat them. Then I'd kiss you.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:55
No.7479310

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:55 No.7479310

Replies: >>7479360 >>7479559

Haha unionized America. Look at you. First GM and Chrysler with their terribad product line, overpaid and overpensioned employees, and now Hostess. Where are you Dem saviours now?

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)06:59
No.7479360

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)06:59 No.7479360

>>7479310
Don't make me stick twinkies up your butt too.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:03
No.7479403

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:03 No.7479403

there good and bad... my job tried to change everyones shifts on us, they wanted to change our start and finish times and make us work saturdays and sundays... because of the union this was changed to volentary shift change instead... my company is a multi billion dollar company and they think they can do whatever they like.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:07
No.7479458

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:07 No.7479458

Replies: >>7479515

File: 1353326867748.jpg-(59 KB, 520x611, weird boner.jpg)

>>7479248

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:09
No.7479478

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:09 No.7479478

Replies: >>7479533

>>7478189
>few extra years on lower wages is better than what they get now.
THAT attitude is what's wrong with the economy. We're all willing to underbid each other, and the Mexicans, on the price of labor. "If only Americans would work cheaper than third-world slave-laborers, everything would work out OK".

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:09
No.7479479

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:09 No.7479479

don't shit a brick.
someone else will make twinkies.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:11
No.7479515

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:11 No.7479515

>>7479458
Let me see your boner

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:13
No.7479533

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:13 No.7479533

Replies: >>7479592

>>7479478
No, we're not. Considering unions are willing to destroy the industries they work in before they accept lower wages or benefits, it's pretty obvious you're full of shit.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:14
No.7479559

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:14 No.7479559

Replies: >>7479592

>>7479310
>Haha unionized America. Look at you. First GM and Chrysler
Adjusting for inflation, these people make less per hour than I did as a minimum-wage part-time cashier in the early eighties. Keep believing it's the greed of the working poor that's the problem.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:16
No.7479592

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:16 No.7479592

>>7479533
please see
>>7479559
and
>>7478166
>>7478209
>>7478249
>>7478315
>>7478346
>>7478350
etc

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:17
No.7479598

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:17 No.7479598

I used to do work as a contractor in their chicago plant. It was awesome. I could go anywhere and check out anything I wanted. In their lunch rooms they'd have hostess products just laid out for you to take. They'd usually give me a few boxes of shit whenever I had to do work there.

huh...maybe that's why they went out of business...

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:20
No.7479642

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:20 No.7479642

Replies: >>7479700

>advocates free market
>where workers can't sell their work freely
Lolbertarians in a nutshell

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:20
No.7479644

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:20 No.7479644

Replies: >>7479723

>>7478193

Well, that's the thing. The CEOs don't take a pay cut, the shareholders expect their dividends to stay high, so the cost-cutting is shifted entirely onto the back of the workforce. When the workforce realises we're not all in this together, they go on strike.

(That being said, most of the strikes in the UK haven't been about cuts in wages - they've been about redundancies.)

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:22
No.7479665

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:22 No.7479665

>>7478404
>Hostess executive pay raises as of July 2012
>Brian Driscoll, CEO, around $750,000 to $2,550,000

Holy fucking shit. In a sane country, that guy would be put up against a wall and shot.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:24
No.7479696

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:24 No.7479696

Why must unions carry the weight of the nation if company managements don't need to?

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:24
No.7479700

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:24 No.7479700

Replies: >>7479739 >>7479768 >>7479775 >>7479995

>>7479642
And libtards want unions to be able to force membership.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:26
No.7479723

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:26 No.7479723

Replies: >>7479788 >>7479814

>>7479644
And most have been in the Public Sector which does need cutting down in a lot of its areas; we've still got more people employed in the public sector then we did when we still had most of the empire AND nationalized utilities and rail.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:27
No.7479737

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:27 No.7479737

Replies: >>7479884

File: 1353328023487.gif-(608 KB, 150x113, FcnpJ.gif)

>doesn't know the importance of unions

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:27
No.7479739

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:27 No.7479739

>>7479700

I've NEVER heard anyone advocate that

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:29
No.7479768

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:29 No.7479768

>>7479700
>not forcing membership
You do realise that unions only work if everyone pitches in, right?

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:29
No.7479775

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:29 No.7479775

>>7479700
nope that is a stupid idea. I just want the ability to join a union without getting fired.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:30
No.7479788

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:30 No.7479788

Replies: >>7479855

>>7479723

But this is a 5-year cycle of idiocy that's been going on for decades. The government cuts the number of people in the public sector, then finds out the work isn't getting done, so not only has to re-hire them but hire extra staff to clear the backlogs.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:31
No.7479814

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:31 No.7479814

Replies: >>7480119

>>7479723
Libtard that believes this to be true.

The Civil Service could be slashed to hell and the NHS could be payed for with no problem.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:34
No.7479855

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:34 No.7479855

Replies: >>7479918

>>7479788
nope. No one get cut from the civil service ever. They just axe jobs. Jobs that are not filled. then five years later they bring back those vacancies.

Guess what. the bureaucrats are good at bureaucrating.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:35
No.7479884

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:35 No.7479884

>>7479737
>Union dues
>Political manuevering
>oh and the occasional assisting of the Union members

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:38
No.7479918

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:38 No.7479918

Replies: >>7479937

>>7479855
>No one get cut from the civil service ever.

Simply untrue

I know, I worked for the Civil Service & was made redundant

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:38
No.7479924

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:38 No.7479924

Replies: >>7479950 >>7479964

For all those who hate unions. You can ether have government control, or unions.

Choose

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/19/12(Mon)07:39
No.7479933

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/19/12(Mon)07:39 No.7479933

Replies: >>7479981

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2012/11/18/hostess-twinkie-defense-is-a-management-failure/

lol

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:39
No.7479937

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:39 No.7479937

Replies: >>7480007

>>7479918
the civil service or a broke away section that has gone out to private tender?

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:40
No.7479950

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:40 No.7479950

>>7479924
what's the difference, sheep?

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:41
No.7479964

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:41 No.7479964

Replies: >>7480421

>>7479924
We have government unions, your move.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:42
No.7479981

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:42 No.7479981

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>>7479933
>mfw ennui posts the same link I did hours ago >>7478404

I wish we could be friends

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:43
No.7479995

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:43 No.7479995

>>7479700
Nice strawman; I think you got 'em.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:44
No.7480007

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:44 No.7480007

>>7479937

HMRC

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:47
No.7480042

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:47 No.7480042

Replies: >>7480055

>>7478404
>Hurr da unions!

Pretty obvious this is another Bain style breakup. Don't be surprised when the pension fund is raided and bankrupted and the bill passed on to the American Taxpayer.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:48
No.7480055

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:48 No.7480055

>>7480042
The pension fund is already raided, the company owes the pension fund like $950m

Zero !tplNBhI1kI
11/19/12(Mon)07:50
No.7480076

Zero !tplNBhI1kI 11/19/12(Mon)07:50 No.7480076

Replies: >>7480100

>>7478111 (OP)

The free market at work, the company wasn't able to keep a profit incoming or able to keep their employee wages with the rate of inflation - so they failed (as businesses should sometimes do)

Just a pity GM and the banks didn't suffer the same and instead got American government bailouts.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:52
No.7480100

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:52 No.7480100

Replies: >>7480218

>>7480076
If free market is against Twinkies, then we need no free market at all

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:53
No.7480119

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:53 No.7480119

>>7479814
>The Civil Service could be slashed to hell and the NHS could be payed for with no problem.

The civil service employs less than half a million people, and has been running at bare bones for a long time. What are you going to slash? The bigget department is Work and Pensions and if you go into any Jobcentre you can see how woefully under-staffed they are. The second department is Revenue and Customs but any cut there reduces their ability to collect taxes so reduces revenue. Then you're down to Justice and Defence, so you have to pick between increasing the backlog in legal proceedings or reducing the logistical support for military organisation.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:55
No.7480149

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:55 No.7480149

Replies: >>7480256

Guys. Guys. Quit fighting.
It was the
>overbloated 1 billion dollar pension plan
>accrued debt from mismanagement
>failure to adjust to the changing market
It is BOTH management's and union's fault.
But look at the times, in a recession the first things cut usually are non-essentials. Who needs sugary cakes?
>tfw all I will buy from a convenience store snake wise are nuts, cliff bars, or beef jerky.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)07:58
No.7480189

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)07:58 No.7480189

Replies: >>7480401

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One bad example of union failure HURR DURR ALL UNIONS ARE BAD MMMKAYY
Funny how Germany and the Nordic countries have some of the highest union membership rates in the world and also great employee benefits, but those two can't possibly be connected of course not...

Zero !tplNBhI1kI
11/19/12(Mon)07:59
No.7480218

Zero !tplNBhI1kI 11/19/12(Mon)07:59 No.7480218

>>7480100

>If free market is against Twinkies, then we need no free market at all

No, the free market in this case is the consumer (you), who stopped buying Twinkies and the companies that supplied the ingredients to make the Twinkies who overcharged.

So the free market ideology is working just fine

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)08:01
No.7480256

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)08:01 No.7480256

>>7480149
I'm curious how there's so much interest in tablets and such.

Anonymous !!6pG3Q3Juceb
11/19/12(Mon)08:01
No.7480258

Anonymous !!6pG3Q3Juceb 11/19/12(Mon)08:01 No.7480258

Replies: >>7480332 >>7480442 >>7480452

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It's worth noting that the workers at Hostess had already accepted a 30% pay reduction around the time the Hostess executives gave themselves a hearty raise, and were being asked to take another pay cut when they went on strike for the final time.

Basically the company wanted to see how little they would make twinkies for.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)08:06
No.7480332

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)08:06 No.7480332

>>7480258
It sounds almost like a social experiment.

The Slavic Caligula !O.N1d/WL9c
11/19/12(Mon)08:11
No.7480401

The Slavic Caligula !O.N1d/WL9c 11/19/12(Mon)08:11 No.7480401

Replies: >>7480423

>>7480189
What works in a few countries won't work in others. The US is an at will country; most of the time you can just release someone and find a replacement in quick order at most taking a couple months.

The Slavic Caligula !O.N1d/WL9c
11/19/12(Mon)08:12
No.7480421

The Slavic Caligula !O.N1d/WL9c 11/19/12(Mon)08:12 No.7480421

>>7479964
And they vote themselves more benefits all the time.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)08:13
No.7480423

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)08:13 No.7480423

>>7480401
What a pathetic excuse, has it ever been tried? Nope, US union membership stands at a weak 13% if it were triple that I can assure you, workers would have a better quality of life and therefore be more productive.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)08:14
No.7480442

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)08:14 No.7480442

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>>7480258
Sounds like Greece.

Watch how much the private sector and the general public are willing to be humiliated (in this case the Hostess workers) while the public sector continues on as if nothing happened (in this case the executives and their pay rises)

And when shit hits the fan, the blame will be put on Europe (in this case, the union's pension fund that just wanted its money back)

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)08:15
No.7480452

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)08:15 No.7480452

Replies: >>7481019 >>7481226

>>7480258

It's almost like... making twinkies by pushing buttons on factory work isn't worth 48k a year? Yeah, let's go with that one Jim.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)08:24
No.7480618

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)08:24 No.7480618

Replies: >>7480640

Unions are becoming hated more and more.

i have lots of liberal friends and even they don't support union shit like this.

the unions killed hostess. to pretend otherwise is retarded.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)08:25
No.7480640

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)08:25 No.7480640

Replies: >>7480791

>>7480618
I find this funny
Unions killed a company that deserved to die
and people get angry because of it

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)08:32
No.7480791

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)08:32 No.7480791

Replies: >>7481233

>>7480640
why did it deserve to die?

how do we know it deserved to die if the unions didn't allow it to restructure itself to become more efficient?

if you can't even fire your workers who strike or lower their wages, your hands are pretty much tied.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)08:38
No.7480901

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)08:38 No.7480901

Replies: >>7481071

Implying hostess couldn't have just hired a bunch of mexicans or moved the factory to china.

H !h/sxmcRzt2
11/19/12(Mon)08:43
No.7481019

H !h/sxmcRzt2 11/19/12(Mon)08:43 No.7481019

>>7480452

Doesn't matter. Raising executive wages while lowering worker wages in this day and age is shooting yourself in the foot.

Rampant greed is going to have to come to an end soon, be it via market crash or some other force causing it. Executives make far too much in comparison to normal workers as is.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)08:45
No.7481063

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)08:45 No.7481063

I want to see someone's boner right meow.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)08:46
No.7481071

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)08:46 No.7481071

Replies: >>7481200

>>7480901
clearly you don't understand labor laws.

govt protected unions make it near impossible to fire the unions

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)08:52
No.7481200

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)08:52 No.7481200

>>7481071
Show me your genitals

Anonymous !!6pG3Q3Juceb
11/19/12(Mon)08:54
No.7481226

Anonymous !!6pG3Q3Juceb 11/19/12(Mon)08:54 No.7481226

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>>7480452
>It's almost like... making twinkies by pushing buttons on factory work isn't worth 48k a year? Yeah, let's go with that one Jim

I work 12 hour shifts myself making Fiber One bars, and there's quite a lot more to it than pushing buttons. I also make roughly 48k a year, and the Hostess workers were probably making 40-50k a year before they accepted a 30% pay cut.

$20 an hour plus benefits is decent pay for the work, but it's not excessive. Hostess could have easily survived if the company had used some of the savings from compensation cuts to try some new/healthier products, rather than pocketing it all while letting the company rot.

I'm prepared to be unsurprised when Hostess' brands and facilities are sold to a "new" company that conveniently hires the old executives and fills the factories with brand new workers making $10 an hour with no benefits.

Anonymous
11/19/12(Mon)08:54
No.7481233

Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)08:54 No.7481233

>>7480791
If you are unable to make profit even after cutting wages and needing to cut them again, you have a failed product or management and thus you deserve to die.
Unions were the killing blow that killed the failed business operation.