You mean they're still denying it? I thought we got past this long ago. It's more a denial for the sake of politics, but everyone just subtly accepts it happened, even if they refuse to speak of it.

>having non-free speech laws in the first place

>2011
>Still upset over something completely irrelevant to today's problems

Pretty soon it will be blacks complaining that whites don't accept there was segregation in the 1900s

> Reverend Jackson

>>746382
>make it illegal to deny it
but turks have a point. why should law that basically denies the existance of revisionist history exist in the first place?

at least they're awknowledging a genocide other than the holohoax

>>746420
there is a lot of denial of the armenian genocide bro, not only from turks but other well established historians.
im with turks on this one

>>746392
No. Turkey goes to GREAT lengths to deny it.

>>746433
that's because attaturk was a jewish homosexual and it was jews who were the "young turks" who carried out this genocide.

>holocaust
>GUYS GUYS LISTEN. THE JEWS ARE COLLECTIVELY LYING TO US. THEY MADE THE WHOLE SHIT UP xD!!

>armenian genocide
>turks deny it
>HURR DURR ITS AN ACCEPTED HISTORICAL FACT

brotip: both "genocides" are not technically genocides. plus, from a lawyer's perspective, even if the armenian genocide did happen, whye should turkey answer for it if ottoman empire was the one who did it. retroactive laws are the cancer of the international legal system

>>746484
hint: Jews are victims of alleged holocaust
they are fucking lying

jews are PERPETRATORS of the armenian genocide
they LIE ABOUT IT

>>746433
>well established historians.

try again. Everyone knows the genocide the Ottomans committed helped inspire the Holocaust.

france is fucking retarded

>>746516
>Everyone
who?

holocaust, is an accepted fact according to many historians. why should you deny holocaust, and not deny armenian genocide?

its fucking retarded that some people question only things that benefit their ideological view,

>1 year prison sentence
>and 45,000 euro fine

Holy shit france, get your shit together. You were supposed to be the bastion of free speech

ITT: one mad kebab upset that israel killed a bunch of turks and got away with it

>france wants to recognize armenian genocide and make it illegal to deny it
>a good thing

>>746627
>a country accepts a historical fact which only one country and some paid historians deny
>a bad thing

Inb4 you compare it to holocaust. Its not the fucking same. Turks were barbaric childkillers and there no sane person would deny that shit bro.

If you country has laws against denying the holocaust, your country is shit and your have no fffreedums

legislating history is retarded

turkey has every right to rage since the ONLY reason France is going this is to shove a stick in Turkey's eye

>>746649
>paid historians
>bernard lewis

there will always be revisionist historical views. you can't fucking make it illegal. its like making free speech illegal.

what the fuck is wrong with you faggots?

Lol oh my god

And Europeans wonder why they're irrelevant.

let me guess france is going for election soon?

>denying the government's version of history is a crime

Holy fuck.

>>746706
holy shit you nailed that (no sarcasm)
>mfw i couldn't see it if it hit me in the face

>france wants to recognize armenian genocide and make it illegal to deny it

So then Turkey should be able to recognize the Palestinian genocide (that is taking place as we speak) and make it illegal for the Jews to deny it.

Seems fair to me.

>France
>not culpable in Rwandan genocide
>didn't brutally suppress North African independence movement
>didn't commit endless war crimes during colonial period
>didn't forcibly assimilate its own minorities (Bretons, Basques, Germans, etc)

i wonder who started this whole trend of making it illegal to deny the holocaust/armenian genocide...

>>746743

>didn't brutally suppress North African independence movement
hm? It was a communist movement you idiot and they never had any popular support.

>>746756
Gargamel?

>>746382
In turn does that mean we can label it illegal for any imperialist nation to deny their conquests as genocide?
I'm sure Algerians would be happy to hear that.

>>746756
pikachu?

>>746769
>>746766
>>746756
ITS PIKA[spoiler]JEW[/spoiler]

>>746756
God I laughed hard at that

>>746756
other way around. Jews want it illegal to question the holohoax and they would rather the armenian shit never comes up.
Because JEWS did the armenian genocide!

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/armeniangenocide.html

>>746433
>2011
>denying the armenian genocide
you angsty hipsters will hop onto any obscure belief

Turks argue the Armenians were a security threat because they were aligned with Russia.

Same argument the Israelis use for expelling Palestinians: where is France's condemnation of that?

Frenchfag here. there is a HUGE minority of armenians here.

its mainly done to get their votes. even though i don't like turks, i think its bullshit to have basicallly have a state's version of history

>look up armenian genocide denial on wikipedia
>see this

McCarthy's work has been the subject of criticism from book reviewers and genocide scholars.[8][22][23][24] According to Israeli historian Yair Auron, McCarthy, "with Heath Lowry, Lewis' successor in Princeton, leads the list of deniers of the Armenian Genocide."[5] Among other criticisms, he has been accused by Colin Imber of following a Turkish nationalistic agenda.[25] McCarthy is a member of, and has received grants from, the Institute of Turkish Studies.[26] According to Richard G. Hovannisian, Stanford Shaw, Heath Lowry and Justin McCarthy all use arguments similar to those found in Holocaust denial.[27] The historian Mark Mazower considers McCarthy's sources and, in particular, his statistics to be "less balanced" than those of other historians working in this area (Mazower fails to mention their names).[28]

>mfw the only criticisms of Mcarthy's work are from jews and armenians
>mfw they compare it to "holocaust denial"

what the fuck?

>>746895
holocaust denial is the holy sanctum of history man. revisionism in that area basically means an end to your career.

>>746743
Also:
>France
>didn't expel 200 thousand ethnic Germans from Alsace Lorraine after WW1
>didn't collaborate with the Nazis in the holocaust of France's Jews

>>746852
sarkozy is such a worm, he always plays these games for votes.
although to be fair the american presidents do the same over the cuban embargo and miami cubans

>>746852
>implying you will not be jailed in Germany for questioning the UK-US-USSR version of the events of World War II as of 1945

Pretty funny, actually, because scholarly inquiry here has revised a whole bunch of things about the war, but the Germans have to stick to the 1945 version or go to jail.

>>746910
>Denying the Great Flood happened in the 15th Century

What the fuck am i seeing? This thread is filled with turks...

there are some things which are historically established and agreed upon you fucking retards. armenian genocide is just one of them

>>746941
>whine whine whine sage

Armenians: Like Jews, but not as smart.

wait so Turkey is scum of the earth more or less for not doing what France wants?

Fucking good on them! Fuck having laws imposed on you by other countries.

Also Turkey does recognize the Armenian Genocide however
- It happened before Turkey itself was a nation.
- There was no official policy advocating the killing of Armenians
- around 300 Ottoman officers were executed for killing Armenians
- the whole ordeal happened as the ottoman empire was breaking up. People were grabbing for land and Armenians were a weak minority that was easy picking for said Ottoman officers. Another group who copped a lot of shit is the Roma. Where's their recognition?

>>746925
I'm pretty sure the US and Canada have pulled the same stunt to buy Armenian votes

p.s. anyone interested watch the very good Ararat (2002), which isn't the Armenian propaganda piece you'd expect / instead explores what we can actually know of history and whether it matters anyhow

>Yurope
>Free speech
Pick 1

>>746974

No, in the US and Canada the government can't jail you for questioning what it tells you happened.

>>746959
im not armenian bro but whatever you say. the evidence FOR the armenian genocide simply outweighs the evidence against, you filthy turk

deal w/ it

My girlfriend is Armenian. They (her family) don't even talk or care about turks.

time to move on.. who gives a shit.

>>france wants to recognize armenian genocide and make it illegal to deny it


Then France can go fuck themselves, they should have the right to deny that it ever happened.

>>746984
Not directly, both both will deport you to Europe where they will. Has happened to more than a few holocaust deniers.

>>746917
>didn't collaborate with the Nazis in the holocaust of France's Jews
they didn't, not at all, just go look at the goddamn population numbers.

>>746964
>Another group who copped a lot of shit is the Roma. Where's their recognition?
roma are subhuman criminals.

>>746964

>>746964
I'd also like to commend this post.

>>747003

>>747038
>>747016
>>746964
>Turks detected

>>747038
SOVIET UNION COMMUNIST DETECTED.

>>747051
even if they are turks what difference does it make? france is acting like a bunch of cunts

>>746986
>Armenian buttfrustration

Hey, not the world's fault you guys chose the losing side and got your asses kicked for it.

Lol Armenians. I hope you and the Kurds wipe each other out.

>>747012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_in_France#French_Jews_and_the_Holocaust

Antisemitism was particularly virulent in Vichy France during WWII. The Vichy government openly collaborated with the Nazi occupiers to identify Jews for deportation and transportation to the death camps (about 75.000 were killed). As early as October 1940, without any request from the Germans, the Vichy government began passing anti-Jewish measures (the Statute on Jews), prohibiting them from moving, and limiting their access to public places and most professional activities. In 1941, the Vichy government established a Commissariat général aux questions juives (1941-1944), which worked with the Gestapo to begin rounding up Jews for the concentration camps in 1942, including the notorious Vel' d'Hiv Roundup on 16 and 17 July of that year. Between 1942 and July 1944, nearly 76,000 Jews were deported to concentration camps from France, of which only 2,500 survived.

>>747081
>deny holocaust
>accept holocaust when it makes the french look bad

>>747078
>ad hominem

>>746994
>Time to move on

You must be new here.

>>747095
it just talks about anti semetism you dense fuckface

>>747047
>mfw I realized the simpsons is antisemitic

>Holy shit turks confirmed for the worst fucking scum of this earth

America... stop it.

PROTIP: it's entirely possible to have one opinion about the holocaust and another of the Armenian genocide.

Both were obviously terrible, the the holocaust was minutely orchestrated by the German state, while my reading of history suggests the Armenian 'genocide' occurred in the fog of war, and had (according to the values of the time) an element of military necessity to it totally lacking in the holocaust (the Nazis did it purely because they were racist dicks)

Equating the two just doesn't make sense, and serves to diminish the exceptional evil of the holocaust

tl;dr: JIDF copypasta

>>747174
HA, Turks are terrible, face it.

Keep crying Armenia.

lets ignore the figures for a moment

>armenians
>haven't contributed anything to greater society
>low IQ and predisposed to crime
>holds on to their outdated culture
>backwards and primitive
>name one famous armenian

>Jews
>responsible for numerous great civilisations throughout history
>controls most of the first world, indirectly or otherwise
>shown to be intellectually superior to other races
>most great thinkers have jewish ancestry

now which one is the greater loss
france wants to be "progressive" and "liberal" by giving equal recognition

I didn't realise there were so many shitskin Turks on /pol/.

>BAWWWWWWW SOME OF YOU ON /POL/ ARE OUTRIGHT DENYING THE HOLOCAUST, WHY CAN'T WE DENY OURS?

Stop bitching, you butthurt mongrel sand-niggers.

ITT: i don't have a genuine argument so post some racism instead.

>>747213
>Jews
>responsible for numerous great civilisations throughout history
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
NO. YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR HISTORY, YOU STUPID CUNT.

>controls most of the first world, indirectly or otherwise
AGREED. THEY ARE PARASITES WHO HELP THEIR OWN.

>shown to be intellectually superior to other races
IQ? OK.
>most great thinkers have jewish ancestry
"MOST'
NO.

CAPS TO GET YOUR ATTENTION.

>>747213
>Jews
>responsible for numerous great civilisations throughout history
NOPE

>>747264
>implying jews are not responsible for the western civilization

>>747276
>implying they are
>implying "western civilization" isn't just the new name for CHRISTENDOM

>>747297
>insinuating that christ was not a jew

>>747307
>implying that modern jews have anything to do with biblical judeans

>>747315
>implying they don't have anything to do with biblical judeans
>ignoring the fact that they have the same religion as the biblical Judeans

>>747263

you seem upset, sonny

thats okay, though. I understand.
Great Jewish scientists have proven that lesser races are prone to aggression.

>>747334
>doesn't know about khazars
>doesn't know the talmud was written in 500 AD

>>747297
>implying Armenia wasn't the first Christian nation
>therefore the progenitors of Christendom
>therefore the progenitors of Western civilisation
>therefore the progenitors of modernity

>>747360
>implies that jews are basically mogoloid turks
>has never probably seen a jew IRL

>>747360
This theory has no scientific or historical basis. Modern European Jews clearly descent from the Levant, although they've picked up other ancestry on the way.

>>747363
>implying armenia 9001 years ago = armenia today

>>747356
>doesn't refute anything I say
K.

>Great Jewish scientists have proven that lesser races are prone to aggression.

The superior race that has exploited other great countries for thousands of years instead of creating something of its own?
Your race is pathetic. Most of your ugly people live on European lands, and Israel survives off of Americas money (which is only sent to them because of such strong jewish influence in America)

>>747454
trolled hard bro

>>747529

>trolled

yes, indeed trolled. Lesser races do get upset when confronted with cold hard facts

goyim are so quaint

>>747220
not even a turk faggot, but just because France is getting upset over free speech doesn't mean Turks are assholes

>France
>Freedom of speech

Pick one.
Or pick two if you want to vomit on anything related to work.

>Makes revisionism illegal because you don't fuck with History
>DUUUR YPOU CANT
>As if Turkey interfering means shit for France. Their sovereignity

No free speech issue here.

>>749653


Turks ARE assholes. See what they're doing in Germany to see for yourself.

And they have no business telling another sovereign nation what to do, but that's so very Muslim to do that. They're hell-bent on erasing all the horrible things Muslims did in Islam's spread

This is why Turkey should never be allowed into the EU

I hate Turkey but

>Law that makes free speech illegal

lol fuck off

>>749837
>Implying going purposefully against History and lieing is a bad thing.

Fuck off. There is no true free speech in the world anyways.

>>749837

How does making it illegal to ignore the truth infringe on fgree speech? The Armenian genocide did happen no matter what Muslim nay-sayers want to pretend.

>>749837
This

/thread

French people can and do get prosecuted and sent to jail for even trying to talk about France's Muslim problem under ridiculous hate-crime laws
>not a single fuck given

Muslims can't deny the Armenian holocaust and other Islamic atrocities
>FUCK MAN FREE SPEECH IS UNDER ATTACK! WE CAN'T LET THIS HAPPEN!

>>749855
It is not only illegal to deny, it is illegal to question.

If you don't see how this is a bad thing, you are beyond help.

>>749855

No shit it happened, but I should be allowed to say it didn't if I want to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoOfRog1EM

>>749871
>not a single fuck given

What the actual fuck?

Are you new here?

Turkfag here. I'm not living in Turkey but seeing how retarded "my" country acts is fucking embarrassing. That Prime Minister Erdogan is doing nothing but shit and the government is corrupt. Poor Turkey.

>>749855
Free speech protects lying and being wrong you dumb cunt.

>make it illegal to deny it

That is where you have to draw the line, like fucking denial of holocaust laws.

Fuck you, stop trying to police the way people think.

>>749855
I'm going to kill the president, the holocaust didn't happen, the armenian genocide didn't happen, water isn't wet, 1+1=3.

It doesn't fucking matter if I'm wrong or not, the point is that the government has the power to put someone in jail just because they vibrated the air with their vocal chords in a certain manner. They're not yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre, they're not planning a crime, there is no logical basis for it, it is arbitrary government interference.

>making differing opinions illlegal

Fucking hell, Europe.

>>749910
Sadly, there are those out there that will deny the existence of "thought police", even though that is what is literally occuring right now.

Soon, questioning thought policing will be illegal as well.

We all know where the next stop is -
> "9/11 denial is now illegal"

>US Congress unanimously passes 9/11 denial law.

That'd be cool right?

>Journalist's Twitter account suspended without warning for tweeting too much about #NDAA and Occupy Wall Street.
.
businessinsider com/welcome-to-the-united-police-states-of-america-sponsored-by-twitter-2011-12

>Implying questioning something and outright going full revisionism is the same thing

ITT: Tards who can't into logic.

>>750010
>implying either should be illegal

>>750024
That's another point. Thank you for conceding.

Hey.

Hey /pol/, check this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen#Prosecution_concerning_historical_revisionism_and_Hol
ocaust_denial

Echoing his 1987 remarks in France, Le Pen stated: "If you take a 1,000-page book on World War II, the concentration camps take up only two pages and the gas chambers 10 to 15 lines. This is what one calls a detail." In June 1999, a Munich court found this statement to be "minimizing the Holocaust, which caused the deaths of six million Jews," and convicted and fined Le Pen for his remarks.[23]

This guy didn't even deny the holocaust. He "minimized" it.

TURKEY'S "GREY WOLVES".

THESE PEOPLE PRACTICALLY RUN THE TURKISH STATE.

GOOGLE "PAN-TURANISM" & "GREY WOLVES".

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.

On the Trail of Turkey's Terrorist Grey Wolves
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/story33.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/western-europe/67212-grey-wolves-turkish-danger-world.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EC25Ak03.html

Turkish extreme nationalist protest against Armenian genocide
http://afa.home.xs4all.nl/alert/engels/sl6_2005.html

Turks deny genocide on Armenians - Jeroen Bosch
http://afa.home.xs4all.nl/alert/engels/armenian.html

http://afa.home.xs4all.nl/comite/eng/index.html

Turkish Grey Wolves Hold Violent Rallies in Europe
http://www.huliq.com/39786/turkish-grey-wolves-hold-violent-rallies-in-europe

Turkish fascism organized pogroms in Brussels
http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Grey_Wolves

Islamist and Nationalist Radicalism Among German Turks
http://www.islamicpluralism.org/1850/islamist-and-nationalist-radicalism-among-german

Report about Turkish fascism
http://www.oocities.org/capitolhill/1131/turkish_fascism.html

Turkish Grey Wolves attack Kurdish targets in Amsterdam, France and Germany
http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=39361

...

PLEASE READ, RE-POST, SHARE.

>>750162

I believe that the Earth is flat.

There. I have just denied a truth that has been scientifically-validated several millennia ago.

Do I deserve to go to prison?

>>750216
wat
how is this relevant?

The Turks deny that they committed a Holocaust. That is insulting.
Can you imagine the Americans denying that they dropped two A-bombs on Japan?
Or the Germans denying they attacked and invaded France in WWII? Wouldn't you find these insulting to your intelligence (at least)?
These are all historical facts, and all civilized countries need to accept responsibility for their past transgressions.

>>750302
The relevancy is that there is freedom of speech. I can deny what I want. Is it insulting? Yes, probably - but there is no "freedom to never be insulted". You can't say, "you have the freedom to say what you want, as long as I agree with it and it doesn't make me sad, angry or uncomfortable".

If you disagree with the last statement, then by logic you must agree that the Danish cartoons are illegal - because why protect the feelings of one group, while allowing the feelings of another being trampled?

>Ottomans and Armenians were liing in peace and harmony for hundreds of years
>Armenians suddenly go batshit retarded and attack Turks and want their own country
>They start riots
>Rioters get killed, people who supported the rioters get exiled
>Armos fail to liberate themselves
>HURR TURKS GENOCIDED ARMENIANS OMG THEY KILLED BABBIEZ DURR DURF!

>France makes a law about imprisoning people who deny something
>TURKS ARE THE BAD GUYS!

>%90 of /pol/ denies The Holocaust
>BUT ARMEMIAN GENOCIDE DID HAPPEN CUZ I LISTEN TO SYSTEM OF A DOWN DERP!

/pol/, are you even trying?

>>750339
>>750339
see
>>750162
>>750162

Please STFU. You obviously don't know shit about the Turks. You have obviously never been to Turkey, and never witnessed the oppression and discrimination of minorities.

There are millions of crypto-Orthodox-Christians in Turkey that live in fear of losing their properties or even their lives.

>>750379
I live in Konya, Turkey. Whoever you ask they will point Konya as the most religious city in Turkey. And this city has a church in the middle of the city centre. Nobody attacks it. Even muslims sometimes visit it. You don't know a thing so shut the fuck up. Grey Wolwes are as dead as pan turkism. Turkish nationalis party was barely able to get into the parliament. Islamism is on the rise in Turkey, not nationalism you faggot.

>>750379

>Please STFU. You obviously don't know shit about the Turks. You have obviously never been to Turkey, and never witnessed the oppression and discrimination of minorities.

There are millions of crypto-Orthodox-Christians in Turkey that live in fear of losing their properties or even their lives.

I am Turkish.

I think this country is full of assholes and I'm going to leave soon. Yet, just because Turkey is full of assholes doesn't mean that killing of some rioters could be labeled as a genocide.

Also, even if it was a genocide(it's not), why the fuck should we be responsible, you fucking moron?!

>>750435
Germans today are still held culpable (they still have to pay reparations annually) for the Holocaust.

Therefore, Turks today should still be held liable for the Armenian Genocide.

And yes, this is a troll post. I don't believe what I just typed, I just want to see if I can elicit some sort of angry reaction.

>>750339
>ottomans
>living in peace with anyone

sure is historical revisionism here! Rampant oppression, rape, murder, etc are just how islam does it's "peace" !

>>750339
>He thinks Armenians has some sort of violent history and are aggressors in every war
>Turks are just peace lovin' nicks

Hard to buy your story.

basically it's like israel and palestine but instead turkey aren't as weak as palestine and kicked the shit out of armanians and told them to GTFO.

too bad palestine wasn't the same and israel took over.

>>750379
>>750379

Turkey - Christians Despised
http://www.persecution.com/public/newsroom.aspx?story_ID=MzU2

Turkey's Christians under Siege
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.9561/pub_detail.asp

Christians in Turkey Face Harassment
http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/news-old/30432-christians-in-turkey-face-harassment-murder-tria
l-stalls

A brief historical survey of Christians in Turkey
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/01/a-brief-historical-survey-of-christians-in-turkey.html

After four years of legal battle in a Turkish court, a judge acquitted two Christians of insulting Turkey and its people by spreading Christianity, but not without slapping them with a hefty fine for a spurious charge. {No freedom of speech or religion in Turkey.}
http://presenttruthmn.com/blog/turkey/christians-turkey-acquitted-insulting-turkishness/

Armenian Genocide Resource Library
http://www.teachgenocide.org/

Minority groups including Kurds, Armenians, Alevis, Ezidis, Assyrians, Laz, Caferis, Roma, Rum (Greek Orthodox) Christians, Caucasians and Jews still confront systematic repression in today’s Turkey. Officially, the government still only recognizes Armenians, Jews and Rum Christians as minorities, but, as used in Turkey, this term denotes clear second-class status. All other groups have faced intense pressure to assimilate.
>http://www.minorityrights.org/4387/turkey/turkey-overview.html

>>750450
>ottomans
>rape
>murder
You probably don't know the fact that Ottoman Empire was ruled by people which were taken from balkans and caucausas. Oh wait. you do right?

>>750447

>Germans today are still held culpable (they still have to pay reparations annually) for the Holocaust.

>Therefore, Turks today should still be held liable for the Armenian Genocide.

Armenian Genocide did not happen at all, you aren't even listening. And Germany shouldn't pay for what they did in the past either. No I'm not a troll, you are obviously a dumb, fat, retarded American who never visited Turkey. You also think that we're brown don't you?

>>750450

Umm, no. Armenians could easily live their lives and worship their religion in the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans gave the Armos the nickname "Irk-ı sadıka" which means "The loyal race/nation" in old Turkish.

>>750435
see
>>750508

Can you shut the fuck up now?
We have had enough of your lies and bullshit.

>>750513
And i guess the thousands of christian galley slaves in their ships is just anti-islam sorts making stuff up, right?

>>750525
>Umm, no. Armenians could easily live their lives and worship their religion in the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans gave the Armos the nickname "Irk-ı sadıka" which means "The loyal race/nation" in old Turkish.

Incorrect, Turks were treating the Armenians as second class citizens due to the Muslim dhimmi system. Basically if Armenians weren't converting to Islam, they were overtaxed and treated like shit with daily kidnappings. Do you think Armenains starting fighting back for no reason? Of course not, they wanted their own country because they were sick of the Muslims ruining any chance of a decent life. People don't leave their countries if they are treated well. Look at the French in Canada.

>>750484

>He thinks Armenians has some sort of violent history and are aggressors in every war
>every war

No, they were the aggressors during the World War I, as a matter of fact. And Turks aren't peace loving nicks, in fact we are extremely aggressive, yet the Ottoman Empire allowed Armenians to be free and didn't oppress them unlike the Byzantines.

>>750508


>Minority groups including Kurds, Armenians, Alevis, Ezidis, Assyrians, Laz, Caferis, Roma, Rum (Greek Orthodox) Christians, Caucasians and Jews still confront systematic repression in today’s Turkey. Officially, the government still only recognizes Armenians, Jews and Rum Christians as minorities, but, as used in Turkey, this term denotes clear second-class status. All other groups have faced intense pressure to assimilate

That's absolute, pure bullshit. Only Nationalist fucks do that.

>>750558
>an era where slavery is accepted practice
>HERP DERP HOW DARE THESE TURKS USE PRISONER OF WARS AS SLAVES

Full retard post? Full retard post.

>>750573
>yet the Ottoman Empire allowed Armenians to be free and didn't oppress them

Right...keep telling yourself that.

>they were overtaxed

Yes they were. But they didn't got kidnapped. And still, this isn't a reason to terrorize shit.

>>750603
which is why these formerly white areas are now non-white shitholes due to genetic pollution from these subhuman turkoid mongols?

Whats with France passing all these thought crime laws as of late? I thought they were all about liberté, égalité, fraternité?

Also, why do they hate Turkey so much? They couldnt stand the prospect of Turkey even being considered for joining the EU a few years backs as well.

I've been to Turkey before, it's no France or England but it's just as decent as some of the other Eastern European nations that have membership.

>>750603
It is a reason to terrorize shit when they being overtaxed based on their religion, and the fact that they were constantly pressured to convert to Islam with authority standing idling by.

The shit you are describing is exactly one of the reasons why the USA told Britian to fuck off. They were being overtaxed and had little representation, so they wanted to form their own shit.

If they were as free as a bird, as you claim to be, then Armenians wouldn't have done anything and simply lived side by side with the Turks.

>>750625
sarkozy is a jew, also he's pretending to be "right wing" so that people will vote for him.

>>750625
Yeah, that slogan was the remains of a bygone era where the guillotine is a negotiating tool.

>>750601

You're basically saying that someone can easily start a riot, terrorize and kill people just because they were getting over taxed.

Kurds can't broadcast and educate in their own language here in Turkey. Yes, that's something wrong and this needs to change. What do Kurds do in order to change that? Do they start a logical argument and protest like the civilized humans they are? No, they throw molotov cocktails at riot cops and they camp in mountains and assault villages and military camps and kill people. With your logic, Kurds who are terrorists should be justified right?

Human Rights of Minorities in Turkey
http://www.bianet.org/english/minorities/117419-human-rights-of-minorities-in-turkey---part-1
http://bianet.org/english/english/117420-human-rights-of-minorities-in-turkey---part-2

Endangered Species: Religious minorities in Turkey
http://www.groupsrv.com/religion/about337387.html

Greek community in Turkey fears for its survival
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12133163

I'm confused, how do we get from "France proposing a controversial hate crime law" to "human rights issues in Turkey"?

>If they were as free as a bird, as you claim to be

They weren't free as birds and I don't claim that. The Ottoman Empire was a Sharia state and I don't miss it. Yet, they didn't loot shops and threw stones at cops like what those niggers did in UK a few months ago, no they didn't, they attacked civilians and soldiers, during a fucking war.

>>750656
>Do they start a logical argument and protest like the civilized humans they are?

Considering how Turks/Muslims act towards opposition, that would be a death wish with no favorable result on their end.

Unlike you, the Kurds understand that Muslims only understand violence as a language since any sort of debate with them is meaningless. This is why you see Muslim-dominated countries to have some of the worst human rights violations IN THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD.

Kurds understand reality, you don't.

>>750648

I wouldn't be surprised at that, he's done it before with some other issues.

>>750655

Hardly, the very concept of liberté, égalité, fraternité has been adopted within the first article of the Universal Bill of Human Rights which states:

>All human being are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are enbowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights#Article_1

It's a concept that I hope NEVER dies.

>>750573
>>750573
>Only Nationalist fucks do that.

The Turkish state is controlled by the "Grey Wolves" which is an ultra-nationalist terrorist organization.

The Turkish state has sought to either destroy or assimilate all religious and ethnic minorities.

This is historical fact, you cannot deny it.

see
>>750162
>>750508
>>750673

>>750695
>conflating "Turk" and "Muslims"
>implying that there aren't significant portion of Kurds who are Muslims

Sometimes, I thought the denizens of /pol/ is educated. Most of the time, I am proven wrong.

>>750695

You're confirmed to be retarded if you aren't aware of the fact that most Kurds are Muslims.

>>750716

>The Turkish state is controlled by the "Grey Wolves" which is an ultra-nationalist terrorist organization.

Oh no, no, no! You can't be this dumb. Nationalists are almost going to disappear in Turkey, half of Turkey voted for the Islamist party here.

>>750695

>make blanket statement in order to justify the act of extreme public disorder
>possess no knowledge of Turkeys relationship with Islam.

Stay classy faggot.

it's impolite to bring up something that the fucking ottomans did after kemalism so violently and effectively distanced the modern state of turkey away from their sordid, imperial past that it's unthinkable and unconscionable to relate it to a mass murder by misguided turks almost 90 FUCKING YEARS AGO
jesus, turkey is set to become an secular, islamist state with a national political and religious philosophy that allows it to co-exist with the West, and it seems like a lot of people don't understand that pissing them off like this will just drive votes into the more conservative camps, and the Kemalist military-bureaucracy complex will be all the more harder to subdue or eradicate

goddamnit

france needs to leave it alone, lest some begrudged victims of their colonial past start speaking up too

>>750776
>Nationalists are almost going to disappear in Turkey
>Turkey's still has military presence in Cyprus

EXPLAIN THIS FAGGOT.

Did Allah order you to keep N.Cyprus? Or is it the Grey Wolves who run shit in Turkey and will not ever let go of N.Cyprus?

I hope my government just will say "fuck" to Turkey.

Turkey can eat a dick. Especially that dick Erdogan and Islamist cronies.

>>750820

>turkey is set to become an secular, islamist state with a national political and religious philosophy

>secular, islamist state with a national political and religious philosophy

>SECULAR ISLAM!!!

MY MIND IS FULL OF FUCK!!!.JPG

>>750824
well bring it on greece
you bitches can't even hold together your own country, let alone support an island
face it: we'll give the people of cyprus a better life with the lira, considering that your whole damn continental economy is fucking crashing around your collective heads, and you greeks are at the center of it, assholes that you are

>>750824

No, because Turks in Cyprus were massacred.

>>750820
>implying Islam can ever be secular.
>MFW

>>750862

Good job avoiding the question faggot.
Enjoy your nationalism and radical Islam.

Thousands of Turkish Cypriots protest wage cuts
http://web.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkish-cypriots-protest-wage-cuts-2011-01-28

Turkish Cypriots again defy Ankara
http://archive.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkish-cypriots-hold-new-anti-austerity-protest-2011-0
3-02

Turkish Cypriots unhappy with isolation, austerity measures
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2011/03/10/feature-01

Even the Turkish-Cypriots don't want you there.

Eat Shit.

>>750895

>Implying Islam and Christianity are not equally retarded

>>750869
>>750869

So you stay in Cyprus to this day because as you (falsely) claim Turks in Cyprus were massacred (in the past).

On the other hand you find it insulting that France wants to keep you accountable for the Armenian Holocaust that happened in the past.

Can you not see your faggotry here? Double standards much?

Your hypocrisy and extreme nationalism has been exposed, little "Grey Wolf".

>So you stay in Cyprus to this day because as you (falsely) claim Turks in Cyprus were massacred (in the past).

I justify the Turkish Republic for taking a military action against what happened in Cyprus and liberating the Turks. But I don't think that we should keep North Cyprus under our protection anymore, I mean they're a fucking country, why do they even need us?

And no, I am not a Nationalist, Nationalism is retarded.

>>750999

>So you stay in Cyprus to this day because as you (falsely)
>because as you (falsely)
>(falsely)

Hey faggot! original Turkish-Cypriot here. You don't have no idea what the fuck are you talking about you brainwashed retarted.

>>751090
>nationalism is retarded

how is it retarded, kind sir? Its not even an economic policy. Its just a belief that your nation should exist (afaik)

I think turkey is doing just fine the way it is. Been in Istanbul and it seriously one of the most beautiful cities in Europe, but never been to other cities.

>>751130
>Istanbul
>Europe

>>751127
>does not acknowledge Armenian Holocaust
>expects others to acknowledge killing of Turk-Cypriots

Stay classy.

>>751167

>Istanbul
>Not in Europe

You just went full retard.

>>751130

Ugh, if you are an unskilled, talentless faggot who didn't accomplish anything in his life and feels a need to be proud of the accomplishments of his ancestors, even though you didn't help them to accomplish the things they accomplished, you are a Nationalist. This is why Nationalism is retarded.

>Making it illegal to deny it

Truth doesn't need to be outlawed.

Yeah, Turkey sucks because they deny the genocide, but France is awful too for trying to make it illegal to do so.

>>751249
>Ugh, if you are an unskilled, talentless faggot who didn't accomplish anything in his life and feels a need to be proud of the accomplishments of his ancestors, even though you didn't help them to accomplish the things they accomplished, you are a Nationalist.

But that's wrong. Why shouldn't i be proud of my ancestors' accomplishments? You sound like a faggot liberal jew. Pic related

There is a reason why you were born who you are.

>2011
>Making thought crime laws

France confirmed for 3rd world.

>>751289
>memegenerator

argument discarded.

nationalism is retarded. just look in the mirror and tell me im wrong

>>751335
I pay taxes, I can be proud of my country. Just like I can be proud of the son who I have invested resources in.

>>751335
Yeah, it's just like being a fan of sports teams - you didn't do anything, you didn't win the game, why do you care?

>>751335
>truth discarded
>NAH NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU NAH NAH NAH NAH

>>751346
>invested resources
>child

what the fuck am i reading. you turks just reproduce because your children will earn you more?

>>751351
im not a sports fan so your argument is invalid

>>751366
>he doesn't want his child to rise above him and forge an even more glorious future
You should never have children, monster.

>But that's wrong. Why shouldn't i be proud of my ancestors' accomplishments? You sound like a faggot liberal jew. Pic related

I am a Liberal, but I'm certainly not a Jew.

And you shouldn't be proud of someone elses accomplishments if you didn't help them accomplish anything. Just because you share the same nation with someone doesn't mean that you can take credit for his accomplishments, faggot! No I don't think we should feel bad for what Whites did in the past either.

>>751385

Get the fuck off /pol/ and go back to Afghanistan.

>>751249
>Ugh, if you are an unskilled, talentless faggot who didn't accomplish anything in his life and feels a need to be proud of the accomplishments of his ancestors, even though you didn't help them to accomplish the things they accomplished, you are a Nationalist. This is why Nationalism is retarded.

0/10

>>751419
You're sounding agitated, you should look in the mirror and see the real monster.

>>751449

Are you referring to my penis?
If that is the case, I'm compelled to agree.

Personally I don't so much take pride as feel good about certain things.

I'm white, hell yeah
I'm male, hell yeah
I'm hetero, hell yeah

>enjoying being me

"but feeling good about being white is problematic!"

>doesn't even penetrate the cloud of enjoyment

>>751462

I don't know about Nationalism, but you gotta have strict criteria for people to meet before they're allowed into your country. After all, you gotta live in the country along with them. If demanding that people in the country live up to that criteria is nationalism then fair enough.

The difference is that France acknowledges that what the previous French governments did was wrong, and does qualify as a genocide. Another distinction is that MANY people in France opposed colonialism, even back in the 1700s. Robespierre wanted to end slavery and make blacks full citizens, and Condorcet was also a champion of rights for all.

>>746382

>turks confirmed for the worst fucking scum of this earth

Clearly has not studied zionists

La Turquie est un pays de pédophiles