Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)12:57
No.7449475

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)12:57 No.7449475

Replies: >>7453049

>>7449437 (OP)
cont'd

>“Hostess was looking for wage concessions of only eight percent,” continued Confer. “Even after the cuts, Hostess still would have been paying their workers handsomely, 24 percent more than the industry norm. Mind you, this one-year cut would have been followed by guaranteed wage increases of three percent in each of the three years that followed, capped off by one percent in the fourth year. So, the pain would have been only temporary and cancelled out in just three years.”

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:00
No.7449583

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:00 No.7449583

Hahaha don't bite the hand that feeds.
>Democrats
>muh Union

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:00
No.7449586

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:00 No.7449586

Replies: >>7449681 >>7449737

Whatever, its all a feint. Hostess is still a profitable brand with a loyal and ready base of consumers. They'll get bought during liquidation and Hostess products will be back on the shelves within a year. All thats going to happen is that the union workers won't be working there anymore. Same thing happened with Maurice Lennel cookies and Fannie Mae and neither of them were half as well known as Wonderbread or Twinkies.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:03
No.7449681

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:03 No.7449681

Replies: >>7449822

>>7449586
meanwhile we've lost almost 20,000 jobs, and a shit ton of niggers on the street.

I would kill for 20 dollars an hour sorting twinkies and pushing carts around.

People don't seem to recognize that unions don't stop asking for more money. Theyre never satisfied, they'll keep asking for more and more. and somehow people think that just because theyre striking theyre somehow desperate, when really theyre just greedy.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:05
No.7449737

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:05 No.7449737

>>7449586

Why won't Obama bail them out?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:07
No.7449778

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:07 No.7449778

Replies: >>7450094 >>7450840

>>7449437 (OP)
It was a poorly managed company that declared bankruptcy in 2004, yet the execs of the company got annual raises.
A poorly managed and run company dies. Thats just capitalism at work. I see nothing wrong here.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:08
No.7449821

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:08 No.7449821

Replies: >>7450078

Q: How would you proportion responsibility for the failure?

Management / Unions

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:08
No.7449822

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:08 No.7449822

Replies: >>7449948 >>7450015 >>7450481 >>7454237 >>7454341

>>7449681
Yes, but those "lost" jobs will come back under different management. The comment about niggers is neither rational nor productive. In the long run this event is good for labor relations because it provides a cautionary tale for both sides: come to terms or you'll both lose and someone else will do better.

Also, where do you get off whinging about black folks when you think that $20/hr in exchange for mindless labor is an attractive offer?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:10
No.7449865

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:10 No.7449865

Replies: >>7450519

hostess couldn't compete with unionized labor, in particular those that use illegal immigrants and migrant workers

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:11
No.7449880

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:11 No.7449880

Replies: >>7449938

>>7449437 (OP)

I don't support these fucks. Everything you said I've been saying for days. Fuck the niggers. You reap what you sew.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:12
No.7449935

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:12 No.7449935

I'm going to miss Wonderbread.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:13
No.7449938

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:13 No.7449938

Replies: >>7450676 >>7452927

>>7449880
>You reap what you sew.

Hostess makes baked goods, not garments.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:13
No.7449948

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:13 No.7449948

Replies: >>7449999 >>7450031 >>7450481

>>7449822

>Also, where do you get off whinging about black folks when you think that $20/hr in exchange for mindless labor is an attractive offer?

$20 an hour for a high school dropout is good money. People in similar positions that are non-unionized make considerably less. $20 an hour is good pay now a days

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:15
No.7449999

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:15 No.7449999

Replies: >>7450101 >>7450135 >>7450339 >>7450625

>>7449948
I don't disagree that its good money for the kind of work but saying "I would kill for 20 dollars an hour sorting twinkies and pushing carts around" just reeks of jealousy. Its still a shit job with shit pay, its just slightly less shit pay than similar shit jobs.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:15
No.7450015

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:15 No.7450015

Replies: >>7450104

>>7449822
settle down white knight. i call them niggers because someone complaining about being poor while making 20 dollars an hour IS a nigger.

and you're right it is a cautionary tale. its a cautionary tale for how unions never stop asking for more they just keep asking for more and more until the company goes bankrupt. Unions are cancer.

and i don't mean workers can't get together and complain or strike. i'm saying the govt should have no business mediating worker and management disputes

anon
11/18/12(Sun)13:15
No.7450018

anon 11/18/12(Sun)13:15 No.7450018

Replies: >>7454701

I hate to admit how naive and innocent I am, but I never imagined that my beloved twinkies were made by these savage negro beasts. It makes me want to vomit just thinking about it.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:16
No.7450031

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:16 No.7450031

Replies: >>7450144 >>7450151 >>7451463

>>7449948
20 dollars an hour is more than I make as an EMT, and roughly what an associates degree RN makes coming straight out of college. Likewise the factory (I'm guessing) is in a low cost of living area.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:17
No.7450078

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:17 No.7450078

>>7449821
i pay what theyre worth.

i want an educated CEO with knowledge in accounting and business management something that is very high skilled with lots of education required. unlike hiring a monkey to sort twinkies and push carts around.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:18
No.7450094

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:18 No.7450094

Replies: >>7450311

>>7449778
you attract high skilled ceos with high wages.

people like you seem to think anyone can be a ceo.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:18
No.7450101

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:18 No.7450101

Replies: >>7450701

>>7449999

Having a shit job isn't an excuse for wanting more money. If you don't want to work a shit job, go to school, go to college, work hard and get a non shit job that pays more. You think people cleaning toilets should make $35k a year?? If so, you're dumb.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:18
No.7450104

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:18 No.7450104

Replies: >>7450228

>>7450015
You...don't really understand what a union is, do you?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:19
No.7450135

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:19 No.7450135

Replies: >>7450197

>>7449999
if people are jealous of your wage and you're still complaining so much that you put another company out of business and make near 20 thousand people out of work, you're a disgusting fuck. simple as that.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:20
No.7450144

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:20 No.7450144

Replies: >>7450258

>>7450031
The factory is in Chicagoland and the cost of living is pretty high. $20/hr is going to come out to about 2 grand a month after taxes, thats not a lot of money in Chicago.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:20
No.7450151

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:20 No.7450151

>>7450031

Yes. You should be making more and thank you for you work. These monkeys should be lucky to make $12 an hour much less $16-$18 an hour plus awesome benefits.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:20
No.7450166

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:20 No.7450166

Replies: >>7450260

I'm a consultant with an engineering degree and I make just over $20/hr. Not only is 20/hr a very livable salary it's also way more than what their mindless factory labor deserves.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:21
No.7450187

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:21 No.7450187

Replies: >>7453988

I'm getting sick of these posts.

Yes, the unions were greedy and assholes. But so were the people running Hostess. Read this article for starters:

http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/26/hostess-twinkies-bankrupt/

This is the second time Hostess has declared bankruptcy. They kept bringing in supposedly "amazing" CEOs and other execs who were supposed to turn things around. But they didn't. The point being that everyone deserves some of the blame for Hostess' downfall, not just the unions, who, by the way, have actually made concessions in the past. It's not like the unions sat there and refused to compromise.

Honestly, I don't think there was much hope of saving Hostess in the first place. They took on too much debt. Even if the unions agreed that wages should be dropped to minimum wage, I doubt that would have saved the company.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:21
No.7450197

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:21 No.7450197

Replies: >>7450279

>>7450135
Except the "near 20,000 people out of work" are mostly the people in the union...they made their bed, let them lay in it. Welcome to the market, sometimes it sucks.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:22
No.7450215

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:22 No.7450215

lower wages are fine if they are accompanied by lower prices.

outside electronics has anyone seen the price of shit go down as wages are being cut and jobs being shipped abroad?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:22
No.7450228

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:22 No.7450228

Replies: >>7450422

>>7450104
would you like to contribute to the discussion or make retarded arguments about what is or isn't a union like people who argue what is or isn't socialism?

grow up and explain how you support people who make a very acceptable wage, and yet are still unhappy and so unhappy they put thousands of people out of work.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:23
No.7450244

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:23 No.7450244

If I was getting paid 16 an hour to perform a job a trained monkey would do while the unemployment is where it's at, I wouldn't be complaining.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:23
No.7450258

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:23 No.7450258

>>7450144

>implying they must live in Chicago

They can move to a neighboring city and drive to work everyday. I know people that make less and drive an hour or more to work. Quit making excuses for these fucks.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:23
No.7450259

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:23 No.7450259

Well fuck, man. Now theyre all unemployed.

Shame that is.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:23
No.7450260

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:23 No.7450260

Replies: >>7450380

>>7450166

But you're line of work actually has significant know-how, not making yellow snacks

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:24
No.7450279

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:24 No.7450279

Replies: >>7450570

>>7450197
i agree. however govt protected unions are not free market. the govt gives artificial powers to labor that they use to weaken the power of management which inevitably destroys the company.

we wouldn't have right to work states and non right to work states if it was free market

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:25
No.7450311

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:25 No.7450311

Replies: >>7450436 >>7451963

>>7450094
Fair enough, but they paid high wages to the CEO and execs at Hostess (even giving them huge raises in the past year despite a failing business), and they were still too incompetent to turn the company around. Yes, not everyone can be a CEO. It takes a very specific skill-set and experience level. However, I still think people overestimate the value of CEOs. Even if you put the best CEO on the planet at Hostess, I doubt they could have saved it.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:26
No.7450332

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:26 No.7450332

Replies: >>7450451 >>7450455 >>7450497

>HOW DARE YOU IMPLY MANAGEMENT IS OVERPAID WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE WHAT IS FAIR COMPENSATION
>LOOK AT THESE OVERPAID FACTORY WORKERS HOW DARE THEY GET PAID SO MUCH

and then people wonder why the middle class is dying.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:26
No.7450339

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:26 No.7450339

Replies: >>7450457

>>7449999

How much do you airhead liberals think people should be paid to do this mindless, skill-less labor?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:27
No.7450380

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:27 No.7450380

Replies: >>7450479

>>7450260
thats what he's saying.

theyre fucking mindless monkeys. he's a skilled person and makes the same amount

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:28
No.7450400

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:28 No.7450400

>wahh I'm not getting paid enough to pull a lever

Now you're unemployed and the fat cats will get a pretty shekel for their band name.

Once again they won and the union got you to lose. You deserve it.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:29
No.7450422

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:29 No.7450422

Replies: >>7450531

>>7450228
I support it because thats the goddamn market. Everyone is out for themselves. You don't get to cry when your Twinkie supply drys up for a year because management and labor couldn't come to terms. Too bad, so sad, buy a helmet. This is the adult world, sometimes people get hurt.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:29
No.7450436

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:29 No.7450436

Replies: >>7450701

>>7450311
the contracts with the unions are near impossible to break. no ceo in the world can make a business model work when you're forced to pay your workers exorbitant wages and can't fire them for incompetency.

the ceos come in with their hands immediately tied behind their back.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:30
No.7450451

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:30 No.7450451

Replies: >>7450548 >>7450555

>>7450332
the middle class is dying because people aren't happy with earning 20 dollars an hour for mindless labor and then bite the hand that feeds them.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:30
No.7450455

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:30 No.7450455

>>7450332

>factory workers doing a monkeys job
>not expendable

I can't wait till their unemployment runs out.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:30
No.7450457

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:30 No.7450457

Replies: >>7450706

>>7450339
Whatever the market will bear. And if they push too hard, they end up unemployed and something better will come along to replace them.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:30
No.7450479

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:30 No.7450479

Replies: >>7450656

>>7450380
I don't suppose it ever occured to you that maybe he's the one that's getting UNDERpaid? That maybe instead of dragging other people down he should be seeking to raise himself up?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:31
No.7450481

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:31 No.7450481

Replies: >>7450547 >>7451578 >>7451609

>>7449822
>>7449948
Justin Bieber makes 400 thousand dollars per concert.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:31
No.7450497

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:31 No.7450497

>>7450332
On the bottom we've got gibs me dat niggers and spics gnawing at our ankles. And on the top we've got Jews hammering us down.
There is no winning.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:32
No.7450519

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:32 No.7450519

Replies: >>7450549

>>7449865
But, their competitors are ALSO unionized. General Mills? Kellog? Bimbo?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:32
No.7450531

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:32 No.7450531

Replies: >>7450560

>>7450422
labor laws are anything but the free market.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:33
No.7450547

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:33 No.7450547

>>7450481
so what?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:33
No.7450548

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:33 No.7450548

Replies: >>7454815

>>7450451

Yep. Once upon a time people were happy to have a job like that. Now everyone (if they even agree to work and not dole it up) want to work 20 hours a week, get paid ridiculous sums for basic labor, have no accountability, and get tons of vacation time.

Socialism at its finest.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:33
No.7450549

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:33 No.7450549

Replies: >>7450586 >>7450684

>>7450519
And lets not forget that this is a company that couldn't manage to turn a profit selling Twinkies in the United States. Its like a distillery going bust in Ireland.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:33
No.7450555

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:33 No.7450555

Replies: >>7450697

>>7450451
>aren't happy with earning $20 an hour
but that's not what happened here.
They didn't go on strike to get more pay, they went on strike to keep their pay the same.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:33
No.7450557

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:33 No.7450557

>Unions
Absolutely disgusting. The world used to look up to you, America.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:34
No.7450560

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:34 No.7450560

>>7450531
What labor laws came into play here?

Duck
11/18/12(Sun)13:34
No.7450568

Duck 11/18/12(Sun)13:34 No.7450568

Replies: >>7450611 >>7450618 >>7450634 >>7450761

Isn't hostess a huge brand name? Did people stop eating crap??

I am just surprised the company wasnt making money hand over fist. If you can't make money off twinkees I dot think any salary cut would help

Anonymous
Vulgar leftists exposed 11/18/12(Sun)13:34
No.7450570

Vulgar leftists exposed Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:34 No.7450570

>>7450279
What always peeves me is that "left-libertarians" always blindly support muh unions even if they're coercive state unions. Then they pay so much lip service about "vulgar libertarianism" which conveniently only ever applies to capitalist libertarians.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:34
No.7450581

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:34 No.7450581

>yfw the current Hostess CEO dropped his salary to $1 until the bankruptcy proceedings were over

http://americablog.com/2012/11/hostess-twinkie-ceo-salary.html

The Grain Millers union fucked up IMO. Yeah previous CEOs were shitbags but seemed like the current one was a decent enough guy actually trying to turn the company around, not just loot it and get his salary before it went under. I think the Teamsters realized this and that's why they worked with the management and eventually accepted more cuts in the hope that this time it would allow the company to become sustainable again. But the Grain Millers union refused to play ball and now not only are their 5,000 members out of a job but also the other 13,000 hostess employees represented by the Teamsters union as well.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:35
No.7450586

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:35 No.7450586

>>7450549

People like justin beiber and will pay to see him and he offers a service that can't be outsourced. Deal w/it.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:36
No.7450611

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:36 No.7450611

Replies: >>7450674

>>7450568
Thats the bigger problem here. The company was run by retards who couldn't turn a profit, so they asked the workers to take a pay cut. The workers decided to say "fuck you, we want our inflated wage. Management responded "No, fuck you, we want OUR inflated wage." Neither party blinked, now someone is going to buy them at auction and make a profit.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:36
No.7450614

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:36 No.7450614

Replies: >>7450780

being a highly paid CEO at a failing company creates perverse incentives.

The CEO knows on day one the company is going to fail but as CEO you want the company to continue even though it is losing money, just so you can get that next bonus. An honest CEO at a public company would liquidate assets while they still held value. This NEVER fucking happens.

Economists seem to apply sports analogies to CEO pay and don't even consider the negatives. By the time a CEO is brought in to "save" a dying company it is already too late, paying them 10x more is just a wealth transfer to the already wealthy. They'd be better off hiring a dozen accountants who could do better job of counting assets and divvying it up to maximize the resale value of those assets.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:36
No.7450618

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:36 No.7450618

>>7450568

It's a low profit margin business apparently. And sounded like legacy costs (pensions) were what was really hurting them.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:36
No.7450625

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:36 No.7450625

Replies: >>7450636 >>7450701

>>7449999
20 dollars an hour is not shit pay.

Minimum wage in America is an astounding amount of wealth.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:37
No.7450634

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:37 No.7450634

>>7450568

How are you supposed to turn a profit paying people $20 an hour to do what some Chinamen would do for 20 cents an hour?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:37
No.7450636

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:37 No.7450636

Replies: >>7450723

>>7450625
Not really. Are you familiar with the big mac index?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:37
No.7450656

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:37 No.7450656

>>7450479
the point is that these people had no right to strike. they should've been fired immediately. but they can't be fired because of retarded labor laws

>"Unfair labor practice strikers" can't be replaced: If your strike is to protest unfair labor practices by your employer, such as retaliating against workers who discuss or protest working conditions, then you must be reinstated to your job when it's over and cannot be permanently replaced.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:38
No.7450674

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:38 No.7450674

Replies: >>7450752

>>7450611
Management's wages were not comparable to the total wages of the workers.

You can sure try to run a company by limiting executive pay to that of a worker, but you won't for very long.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:38
No.7450676

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:38 No.7450676

>>7449938
5 star post

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:38
No.7450684

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:38 No.7450684

Replies: >>7450712 >>7450831

>>7450549
It blows my mind that fucking HOSTESS managed to find a way to fuck up. Every corner store and 7-Eleven in America has an entire shelf DEDICATED to selling Hostess products.

The Twinkie is a goddamn culture icon! Yet they somehow found a way to go bankrupt.

It's like whatever country that makes Slim-Jims going out of business.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:38
No.7450689

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:38 No.7450689

You all realize every single side in this is bullshit, right? It's an entire bullshit industry!

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:38
No.7450697

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:38 No.7450697

>>7450555
and their pay was already exorbitantly high. a pay cut would have still allowed them to live comfortably and they would have kept their jobs.

you have no right to demand that you not get a pay cut ever.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:39
No.7450701

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:39 No.7450701

Replies: >>7450794 >>7450819 >>7450849 >>7450857 >>7450915 >>7450996 >>7451062 >>7451083

File: 1353263945693.jpg-(74 KB, 704x579, 5302012wage-jumbo.jpg)

>>7450101
>You think people cleaning toilets should make $35k a year?? If so, you're dumb.

A consumer based economy such as the US benefits from having more people in the middle class. People with lower levels of income generate less economic activity than those with higher levels of income. You do reach a point near the 7 figure mark where the additional income is saved/invested rather than spent. A person making 1000 times the average salary does not buy 1000 times as many goods and services.

>>7450436
Ford was able to do it with the UAW back in 2007-08 and they are now profitable. Bad management at the top put hostess out of business.

>>7450625
Pic related

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:39
No.7450706

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:39 No.7450706

>>7450457
I think you don't understand what a market is...

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:39
No.7450712

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:39 No.7450712

>>7450684
Slim Jims are made in spurdo land as well. It's all on us.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:39
No.7450723

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:39 No.7450723

>>7450636
That index that measures the price of McDonalds, but in no way measures standard of living. Sure.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:40
No.7450752

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:40 No.7450752

Replies: >>7450898

>>7450674
The point is that no one was willing to blink and no one was doing a good job. Hostess deserved to fail. This outcome is a good thing. Now someone else, someone who has been successful enough to have the money to bid, will buy Hostess at an auction and run the company like adults. They'll also do it without the existing workforce.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:41
No.7450758

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:41 No.7450758

This wouldn't have been an issue if companies could fire workers.

Someone is always willing to work for less than you, remember that.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:41
No.7450761

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:41 No.7450761

Replies: >>7450876

>>7450568
With Atkins and low carb, people were eating LESS crap, but there was still space for high fiber shit. Hostess was the WORST at adjusting to this 30 year trend.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:41
No.7450774

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:41 No.7450774

Muh biased media

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/337154

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:41
No.7450780

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:41 No.7450780

Replies: >>7450802 >>7450865 >>7450904

>>7450614
bullshit. the ceo has no desire to see a company fail. a successful company will always be worth more than an bankrupt one. especially for the ceos wage.

the ceos couldn't fix hostess because the union contracts that were impossible to break were strangling the company. no ceo in the world could've fixed it.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:42
No.7450794

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:42 No.7450794

Replies: >>7450852 >>7450898 >>7450957

>>7450701
>saved/invested

Oh you mean hoarded, ok

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:42
No.7450802

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:42 No.7450802

>>7450780
Except by going to auction...

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:43
No.7450819

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:43 No.7450819

Replies: >>7450898 >>7450989

>>7450701
What kind of bullshit infographic is this? I was living off minimum wage just fine for a while. You dont fucking rent a two bedroom apartment and be the only person in it. You get a roommate, split the costs and it becomes much more affordable.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:43
No.7450824

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:43 No.7450824

Replies: >>7450918

>making no nutrition snacks
>no profit margin

Those $1-$2 snacks you eat have like 10c of food value and can be produced en masse for a few dollars per tonne. Think about how many billions people eat every year vs 18,000 laborers. Shipping is probably as big an expense as production.

Stop blaming the chefs for poor management.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:43
No.7450831

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:43 No.7450831

Replies: >>7450909

>>7450684
twinkies also cost near twice as much as the snacks around it.

and poor white trash and niggers frequent gas station snacks.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:43
No.7450840

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:43 No.7450840

>>7449778
the CEO salary has been $1 a year since the new management

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:44
No.7450849

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:44 No.7450849

>>7450701
>two-bedroom apartment
>only assuming a single income

Deceptive chart is deceptive.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:44
No.7450852

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:44 No.7450852

>>7450794
>invested
>hoarded

lol, liberals

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:44
No.7450857

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:44 No.7450857

>>7450701
>2-bedroom

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:44
No.7450865

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:44 No.7450865

>>7450780
>no ceo in the world could've fixed it.
then they should have liquidated ages ago.

oh I forgot the executives had to keep taking their cut as long as possible.

Duck
11/18/12(Sun)13:44
No.7450871

Duck 11/18/12(Sun)13:44 No.7450871

Replies: >>7450940

>sell junk food to Americans
>go out of business

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:45
No.7450876

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:45 No.7450876

Replies: >>7450967

>>7450761
The target demographic of Hostess baked goods are school kids and people that buy cheap snacks. Do you really think either of those groups cares about Atkins diets?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:45
No.7450898

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:45 No.7450898

Replies: >>7450991 >>7452011

>>7450752
Only 5000 of the 18,000 workers were on strike. The teamsters which represented 8000 workers did not strike and told the bakers union to go back to the barging table. I can see many of these facilities being brought back by another company with the same employees minus the bakers.

>>7450794
Basically.

>>7450819
What about those people with families who don't have children that are not of working age?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:46
No.7450904

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:46 No.7450904

>>7450780
I gotta tell you bro, there comes a point in time when the CEO's made their money and it literally becomes more trouble than its worth to run a company makin 100 million + a year

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:46
No.7450909

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:46 No.7450909

Replies: >>7451352

>>7450831
>Twinkies cost twice as much as other snacks

I find that very hard to believe.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:46
No.7450915

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:46 No.7450915

Replies: >>7450981

>>7450701
I asked someone on /pol/ about that map,
it assumes you're renting a two bedroom apartment downtown with no more than 1/5 of your income

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:46
No.7450918

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:46 No.7450918

Replies: >>7450998

>>7450824

Yeah. It's comical how companies the the us can turn maybe 10 cents of grain and sugar into a $5 box of cereal.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:47
No.7450940

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:47 No.7450940

>>7450871
Truly we are in the End Times

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:47
No.7450957

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:47 No.7450957

Replies: >>7450981

>>7450794
investment is always good for an economy. Literally no negative to it

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:48
No.7450967

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:48 No.7450967

Replies: >>7451008

>>7450876
Bottom line is that sugary snacks have been declining. Sales of lower sugar, lower carb, higher fiber shit has been increasing.

Less Twinkies, more Granola.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:49
No.7450981

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:49 No.7450981

Replies: >>7451161

>>7450915
>WV/ND/SD/AR/AK
>downtown
>60+ hrs needed to afford rent

>>7450957
Investments do not create demand.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:49
No.7450989

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:49 No.7450989

Replies: >>7451025

>>7450819
FUCKING THIS

i have friends working on minimum wage. they share a house a nice three bedroom house with a big back yard and a deck. they have a large flat screen tv, 3 cars, xbox, internet, cable with hbo, all the food they could want, cellphones. and plenty of money left over for cigarettes booze and weed.

one is line cook, one works at macys in retail, and the other works at a dog kennel. all at or near minimum wage.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:49
No.7450991

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:49 No.7450991

>>7450898
>What about those people with families who don't have children that are not of working age?

We live in a welfare state

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:50
No.7450996

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:50 No.7450996

Replies: >>7451115 >>7452283

>>7450701

Thats not an argument for people cleaning toilets to make $35k a year. Like another anon said, he makes $20 an hour as an EMT. A person with no H.S. diploma or just a GED or an untrained H.S. grad should kiss whoever's ass everyday if he/she were lucky enough to get a mindless job making decent money. The fact that a toilet cleaner making the same or more for someone who actually has a worthy job and the training to back it up, is ridiculous.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:50
No.7450998

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:50 No.7450998

>>7450918
It's why I stopped buying prepackaged garbage.

One day a month I buy a big bag of flour and sugar and make all the wheat products I figure I will eat for a month or two and save a few hundred bucks. Totally worth the time, and the smell is divine.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:50
No.7451008

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:50 No.7451008

>>7450967

People do stop eating sugary shit snacks once they've either A. Made themselves fat by their early 20's B. Put themselves on the road to becoming diabetic or C. Both and actually care about their health. I honestly hope this is a sign people are being less retarded about their food(shoving tons of sugar down their throats) in spite of the shock it might cause to our heavily foodservice filled economy.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:51
No.7451025

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:51 No.7451025

Replies: >>7451095

>>7450989
How many hours a week and what is their exact wage?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:51
No.7451028

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:51 No.7451028

Replies: >>7451092

>WV/ND/SD/AR/AK
>downtown
>60+ hrs needed to afford rent
what is your point. This chart makes insane assumptions, when in reality in much of the country you only need to work 10 hours a week or so to pay for rent assuming you're not retarded.
>Investments do not create demand.
investment increases production. Investment increases efficiency. Investment does not consume, it produces.

>stilling thinking consumption = prosperity
lel

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:52
No.7451048

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:52 No.7451048

granola bars aren't that much better for you.

that's like graduating from meth whore ot regular whore.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:53
No.7451062

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:53 No.7451062

>>7450701
jesus
>dat pic

liberals will go to any lengths to push their bullshit agenda.

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)13:54
No.7451072

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)13:54 No.7451072

Replies: >>7451149 >>7451204

this is a bad article that cherry picks it's facts to single out the union as the sole proprietor of hostess' demise and you should feel bad for linking it

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:54
No.7451083

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:54 No.7451083

>>7450701

>absolutely no citations

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:55
No.7451089

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:55 No.7451089

Maybe declining profits are a sign Amerifats don't care as much for sugary white flour/corn syrup pastries as they used to

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:55
No.7451092

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:55 No.7451092

Replies: >>7451122

>>7451028
>Investment does not consume, it produces.

Production is fine and dandy as long as their is consumption.

>A person with no H.S. diploma or just a GED or an untrained H.S. grad should kiss whoever's ass everyday if he/she were lucky enough to get a mindless job making decent money. The fact that a toilet cleaner making the same or more for someone who actually has a worthy job and the training to back it up, is ridiculous.

Try telling that to any of the retired mill workers who bought their own house car without going into debt, and raised a family with an 8th grade education.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:55
No.7451095

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:55 No.7451095

Replies: >>7452267

>>7451025
i don't know their exact wage but i know the line cook makes less than 10 dollars an hour. i know for a fact theyre all comparable to that. and they all work 30 to 40 hours a week.

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)13:56
No.7451115

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)13:56 No.7451115

Replies: >>7451152 >>7451160 >>7451181 >>7451227 >>7451293

File: 1353264979598.gif-(999 KB, 500x207, 1353116278322.gif)

>>7450996
>A person with no H.S. diploma or just a GED or an untrained H.S. grad should kiss whoever's ass everyday if he/she were lucky enough to get a mindless job making decent money

reminder that this is how people here actually think. this guy isn't trolling, he's serious.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:56
No.7451122

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:56 No.7451122

>>7451092
investment creates the capacity to meet demand.

investment makes companies more efficient, and products cheaper to get to more people.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:57
No.7451147

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:57 No.7451147

Replies: >>7451165 >>7451222

wow, the CEO gave himself a 300% raise and then asked the workers to take a 8% wage cut?

what a dickhead

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:57
No.7451149

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:57 No.7451149

Replies: >>7451283

>>7451072
Nice individual refutation there champ.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:58
No.7451152

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:58 No.7451152

Replies: >>7451222

>>7451115
Every logical thinking person thinks the same way. You're the only idiot here.

Let me guess, you're all for $100 minimum wage too.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:58
No.7451159

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:58 No.7451159

inb4 unions get slashed

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:58
No.7451160

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:58 No.7451160

>>7451115
a person with no skills, no education and no training should be happy with minimum wage. let alone 20 dollars an hour.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:58
No.7451161

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:58 No.7451161

Replies: >>7451315

>>7450981
>Investments do not create demand.
Red herring

Demand is unlimited. Supply isn't. Investment helps increase supply.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:58
No.7451165

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:58 No.7451165

Replies: >>7451273

>>7451147

Hostess got sunk by noprofits, bad management and shitty union conflicts all at once.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)13:59
No.7451181

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)13:59 No.7451181

Replies: >>7451226

>>7451115
Kinda funny how you devalue your education by mindlessly sticking to your party line.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:00
No.7451204

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:00 No.7451204

Replies: >>7451254

>>7451072
even if you wanted to blame the ceos or america's new emphasis on health. you have to recognize that striking when your pay is far above industry average and a very acceptable is not right and shows that unions make retarded demands and don't stop asking for more when they are perfectly well compensated.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:00
No.7451216

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:00 No.7451216

Oh no Amerifats, what will you do?

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)14:00
No.7451222

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)14:00 No.7451222

Replies: >>7451294 >>7451341 >>7451342

>>7451147
>and then asked the workers to take a 8% wage cut?

after two 8-10% wage cuts in previous years

>>7451152
>Every logical thinking person thinks the same way. You're the only idiot here.

no anon. only autistic retards like you think that people should literally grovel at the feet of their employers to be so lucky as to make a wage they can live off of after graduating from highschool. you are the outlier, no one, not a single person i know in real life thinks this way.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:00
No.7451226

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:00 No.7451226

>>7451181

Education has become inflated by piles of flesh in HR departments using it as an arbitrary filter.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:00
No.7451227

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:00 No.7451227

>>7451115
Keep thinking that, then after you graduate from college don't be upset that someone with a HS diploma is hired for a job you applied for, because they're a PoC.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:02
No.7451254

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:02 No.7451254

Replies: >>7451370

>>7451204
no, they should always demand more.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:02
No.7451273

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:02 No.7451273

>>7451165
regardless of what you think of the ceos etc. the strike that DID eventually push hostess into bankruptcy was over bullshit, and the strikers were way WAY out of line to complain about a modest pay cut when theyre already far above the industry average.

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)14:03
No.7451283

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)14:03 No.7451283

>>7451149
i've "refuted" this garbage in five other threads. if you're too dumb to do your own research and instead believe what's effectively a shit tier blog post on businessinsider, that's fine.

does the article even mention that only roughly half of hostess employees are unionized? nah, lol.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:03
No.7451293

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:03 No.7451293

Replies: >>7451317

>>7451115
All of my grandparents had an 8th grade education. One owned a muti-million dollar company that employed 25 people. The other worked as a forman in a mill. According to your logic neither should have made more than minimum wage at any time in their live.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:03
No.7451294

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:03 No.7451294

Replies: >>7451335 >>7451347

>>7451222
>literally grovel at the feet of their employers
Putting words in my mouth. They should consider themselves lucky. You and your poor friends are idiots.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:04
No.7451315

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:04 No.7451315

Replies: >>7451368

>>7451161
>demand is unlimited
Has anyone seen my shit?
I seem to have lost it.

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)14:04
No.7451317

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)14:04 No.7451317

>>7451293
>According to your logic neither should have made more than minimum wage at any time in their live.

you mean the logic of the guy i quoted, right?

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)14:05
No.7451335

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)14:05 No.7451335

Replies: >>7451372

>>7451294
>You and your poor friends are idiots.

thanks for telling us how you really feel, your previous statement makes a lot more sense now

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:05
No.7451341

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:05 No.7451341

Replies: >>7451413

>>7451222
>after two 8-10% wage cuts in previous years
stop trying to pretend this matters.

before the latest strike they were making 16-18 dollars an hour.

if you want to say they took 2 previous pay cuts fine. that means they were making MORE than 16-18 dollars an hour before those 2 pay cuts.

So these overpaid nigger union monkeys weren't happy with their what? 30 dollars an hour? but they stomached a pay cut to perhaps 25 dollars and hour? and then they took another to 18 dollars an hour? and then the management asked them to take another and they drew the line at 18 dollars and hour?

those poor poor workers

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:05
No.7451342

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:05 No.7451342

>>7451222
Not the guy you replied to, but seriously, take Marx's cock out of your mouth for a few minutes and take a look around.

This is your Obama paradise: the country's economy falling apart day by day.

>This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face.
>The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown.
>The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No."
>They had a choice, all of them.
>They could have followed in the footsteps of good men like my father or President Truman.
>Decent men who believed in a day's work for a day's pay.
>Instead they followed the droppings of lechers and communists and didn't realize that the trail led over a precipice until it was too late.
>Don't tell me they didn't have a choice.
>Now the whole world stands on the brink, staring down into bloody Hell, all those liberals and intellectuals and smooth-talkers... and all of a sudden nobody can think of anything to say.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:05
No.7451347

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:05 No.7451347

Replies: >>7451405

>>7451294
>They should consider themselves lucky
>Putting words in my mouth

You are putting the words in your own mouth

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:05
No.7451352

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:05 No.7451352

>>7450909

The hostess products usually sell in the $1.79 and above range. Competing brands usually sell for $0.50 - $1.29 and often taste better, as well. Compare a hostess fruit pie to a tastykake brand. the tastykake is cheaper and bigger and fresher.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:06
No.7451368

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:06 No.7451368

Replies: >>7451455

>>7451315
Nice argument, statist.

Keep pumping in all that corporate welfare in the name of "stimulating demand" goy!

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:06
No.7451370

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:06 No.7451370

>>7451254
even if it means you're going to put everyone out of work?

why should you demand more if you're content?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:06
No.7451372

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:06 No.7451372

Replies: >>7451393

>>7451335
It's so easy to detect one of you unskilled and entitled losers.

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)14:07
No.7451393

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)14:07 No.7451393

Replies: >>7451434 >>7451463

>>7451372
ahah

tell me more about how much you hate poor people anon

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:08
No.7451405

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:08 No.7451405

Replies: >>7451465

>>7451347
Considering yourself lucky/fortunate is different than "literally groveling at their feet".

Do you even English?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:08
No.7451409

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:08 No.7451409

Replies: >>7451458

>the new american

Right wing rag. Hostess is being eviscerated by a Bain-like wall street firm. The union is being blamed for a corporate hack job. Anyone with more than two braincells has looked into it and already discovered the truth.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:08
No.7451413

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:08 No.7451413

Replies: >>7451467

>>7451341
>then the management asked them to take another and they drew the line at 18 dollars and hour?

Fool me once shame on you
Fool me twice shame on me

The union gave in twice while upper managment did nothing to right the ship.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:09
No.7451434

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:09 No.7451434

Replies: >>7451465

>>7451393
I don't hate poor people, everyone should own a few. Also, it will always be me that has the last laugh, as I take home my bloated salary and drive in my new BMW. Stay envious, friend.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:10
No.7451455

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:10 No.7451455

>>7451368
laughing in the face of someone that claims ANYTHING in this world is unlimited is common sense and does not require a supporting argument, anarchist scum

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:10
No.7451458

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:10 No.7451458

Replies: >>7451496

>>7451409

I guess that's why the Teamsters union approved the most recent cuts and only the smaller baker's union refused to go along with them...

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:10
No.7451463

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:10 No.7451463

Replies: >>7451497

>>7451393
Poor person here, I think 20 dollars per hour is being overpaid, as I stated here>>7450031
but I know you ennui. You're a rich trust fund babby liberal who doesn't now anything beyond what he reads. Go back to /fit/.

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)14:10
No.7451465

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)14:10 No.7451465

Replies: >>7451526

>>7451405
>Considering yourself lucky/fortunate
>should kiss whoever's ass everyday

why are you leaving that out?

how much ass should one kiss? how far should people who only have a g.e.d. have to debase themselves to be so lucky as to have a job?

>>7451434
>I don't hate poor people, everyone should own a few.

k

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:10
No.7451467

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:10 No.7451467

>>7451413
the point is that the entire time they were taking these cuts they were far FAR above the industry average.

you stomach the pay cuts because without them you don't have a job. you stomach them because you're lucky to be getting paid that much.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:10
No.7451471

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:10 No.7451471

wages should be equal. But if they were all these companies and factories will cease to exist and there will just be government jobs. Ya it does suck working 24/7 on the assembly line for 8 dollars. While some skinny fag just walking around most of his day for 26 dollars.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:12
No.7451495

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:12 No.7451495

Replies: >>7451543 >>7451559 >>7451872

You Amerifats are literary the most reactionary people on the northern hemisphere. It's like you WANT to get fucked in the ass by corporations

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:12
No.7451496

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:12 No.7451496

>>7451458
So you honestly believe that a 2 week bakers union strike is the reason Hostess is closing down?

Lel, the truth is the owners see more money if they sell their brands and shirk their responsibilities to meet the pension. They will hand off that liability to the tax payer.

Yay for upper class welfare.

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)14:12
No.7451497

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)14:12 No.7451497

Replies: >>7451576

>>7451463
>You're a rich trust fund babby liberal who doesn't now anything beyond what he reads. Go back to /fit/.

it's cute how everyone on /fit/ thinks i'm filthy rich

a few anons even suggested i was a member of the elite awhile back

i wonder where you kids come up with that shit considering i've never talked about money, education, or employment on any boards i post on.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:12
No.7451514

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:12 No.7451514

>"We did everything we could to save the company," said Joseph Ortuso, a Teamster and sales route driver from New Jersey who'd been with Hostess or its acquisitions for more than two decades. "We never gave up during bankruptcy. We fought in the marketplace to retain our business. In the end, somebody else made the decision."

>"They're losing [5,000] jobs," Ortuso said of the bakers' union, "but they're costing 18,900 people their jobs."

>"I think it's obvious there was no bluff," said Hall. "Our financial advisers had looked at their books, they had total access. We pushed them in negotiations to where we thought it was the absolute limit, that we would get the most for our members and [still] have a pathway back to prosperity for the company. The bakers' union disagreed with that."

>"Frankly, I feel sick about what's going on here," Hall added. "It's a tragic day for 18,000 workers."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/16/hostess-liquidation-teamsters-bakers-union_n_2145851.html

Teamsters aren't too happy with the baker's union

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:12
No.7451526

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:12 No.7451526

Replies: >>7451562

>>7451465
earning 18 dollars an hour for mindless labor isn't kissing anyone's ass. management is kissing labor's ass by not firing every single one of these faggots. and hiring scabs. there are plenty of people who would kill for those jobs.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:13
No.7451543

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:13 No.7451543

>>7451495
yeah cause being more like europe is really working out for you poorfags. enjoy your double dip recession

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:14
No.7451552

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:14 No.7451552

Replies: >>7451574

Doesnt matter. Those that make good money are often working lazy jobs. Will likely get sick and die from cancer in 20 years. So have fun being weak beta fags your entire lives.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:14
No.7451559

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:14 No.7451559

>>7451495
Don't you have some taxes you could be paying, europoor?

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)14:14
No.7451562

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)14:14 No.7451562

Replies: >>7451713

>>7451526
>there are plenty of people who would kill for those jobs.

probably

where are people getting the $16-18/hour figure from. is that for workers with 20+ years seniority, new hires, or what? i see a lot of numbers being thrown around but no real sources.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:15
No.7451574

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:15 No.7451574

Replies: >>7451645

>>7451552
someone's mad they dont have an office job

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:15
No.7451576

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:15 No.7451576

Replies: >>7451595 >>7451632

>>7451497
but its true right? you're rich aren't you.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:15
No.7451578

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:15 No.7451578

File: 1353266112251.jpg-(67 KB, 323x315, 2498301902.jpg)

>>7450481
Every time.

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)14:16
No.7451595

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)14:16 No.7451595

>>7451576
>i've never talked about money, education, or employment on any boards i post on.

this isn't gonna change any time soon

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:16
No.7451609

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:16 No.7451609

>>7450481
But he still can't buy a set of testicles.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:17
No.7451632

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:17 No.7451632

>>7451576
I plan on releasing his dox shortly.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:17
No.7451633

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:17 No.7451633

Replies: >>7451692

>unions get mad when ceos are paid 30% more than they should be
>unions demand to be paid 30% more than they should be

get fucked.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:18
No.7451645

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:18 No.7451645

Replies: >>7451674

>>7451574
No I seen people working office Jobs. Here I'll describe 2 men for you. One was fat pale and probably has a limp dick. The other looked like a weak bitch. All the women in the office looked like bitches that had their fill with birth control drugs,unhealthy. Woosh enjoy your liberal dream fag. Dead in 20 years.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:19
No.7451674

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:19 No.7451674

Replies: >>7451753

>>7451645
>I am so anti-social I literally cannot interact with people in a civil manner.

lol, you got fired didn't you?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:20
No.7451692

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:20 No.7451692

>>7451633
how is it 30% more than what a ceo should be paid?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:20
No.7451713

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:20 No.7451713

Replies: >>7451748 >>7451763

>>7451562
>where are people getting the $16-$18/hour

OP source

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:22
No.7451748

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:22 No.7451748

>>7451713
>“The union’s demands had plagued Hostess for years, forcing — through the legalized monopolization of labor supply — wages that the market wouldn’t bear,” writes Bob Confer in a column for The New American. “The striking line workers were paid healthy salaries, $16 to $18 per hour. In a low-profit, low-selling-price business such as baked goods, those wages aren’t sustainable, especially considering that baking and distribution involve a lot of manpower.”

It's in the fucking article.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:22
No.7451753

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:22 No.7451753

Replies: >>7451793

>>7451674
No I'm just saying all these dumbass liberal young adults are too busy fucking dogs and cats not having kids that their lives are worthless. And it is just funny that they are getting paid sucking on their respective corporations dick.

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)14:22
No.7451763

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)14:22 No.7451763

Replies: >>7451891

>>7451713
i'd prefer a source that didn't leave out nearly every important detail about hostess' bankruptcy, or at least one that's more specific about wage rates based on seniority of workers, or union rates vs non union rates at hostess in right to work states.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:23
No.7451786

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:23 No.7451786

O well cultural latino socialist revolution in 20 years after all the whites die from being fags.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:24
No.7451793

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:24 No.7451793

>>7451753
I get paid 6 figures to work from home full-time for my corporation. If I gotta suck a dick once in awhile to maintain that, I will.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:24
No.7451797

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:24 No.7451797

Replies: >>7451995

>The primary issues cited by owner Rayburn was the looming cost of healthcare, union wages, and pension plans. The company already had issues at their production plants which were not operating at optimal levels. The cost per product was increasing with slow production. Union operations complicated production, pay, management. 83 percent of Hostess Brand's 18,500 employees were subject to 360 collective bargaining agreements with 12 separate unions.

lol, Obamacare contributing to the death of hostess

Anonymous
Putting statists i(...) 11/18/12(Sun)14:27
No.7451872

Putting statists in their place Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:27 No.7451872

Replies: >>7452408 >>7452456

>>7451495
Corporations are a statist construct. Who's the "reactionary" idiot now?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:28
No.7451891

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:28 No.7451891

>>7451763
>The average annual wage for Hostess Brand bakers in Emporia, Kansas is $30,000 ($14.42 ph). Emporia has a median household income of $31,372, and is located 100 miles from Kansas City and Witchita with a small population of 25,000.

>An Alexandria, LA employee with username Hard working Southerner posted, "I just want to thank all of you [ ] union hands. You have taken food out of my family's mouth and more than likely the roof over their head. We were working at 100% in our plant. There are no jobs in our area and we knew our best chance was to see this out. But thanks to a bunch of dam Yankees and west coast [ ] we will never get that chance now. Unbelievable that 2-3 thousand can so easily toss the future away of 18 thousand. I hope you are proud of what you have done to countless families."

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:31
No.7451963

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:31 No.7451963

Replies: >>7452013 >>7452025

>>7450311
CEO's should lower their pay when profit is low in order to keep the company running. That's what the Japs do.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:32
No.7451995

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:32 No.7451995

Replies: >>7452108

>>7451797
>83 percent of Hostess Brand's 18,500 employees were subject to 360 collective bargaining agreements with 12 separate unions.
There's your free market, libertarians.
Enjoy.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:33
No.7452011

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:33 No.7452011

>>7450898
Welfare retard.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:33
No.7452013

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:33 No.7452013

>>7451963
if you want to attract the best ceos you have to offer the juiciest wages etc.

why do you think America has the best doctors?

because we pay them the most. the problem with you people is that you think anyone can do a ceos job.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:34
No.7452025

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:34 No.7452025

>>7451963
CEOs should do whatever they want, as long as they don't break the law. Consequences of their actions will be judged, rewarded, or penalized by market forces.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:36
No.7452076

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:36 No.7452076

Honestly go to a any store and try to find a Hostess twinkie.

You can't.

All you find is Little debbie stuff, because they out buisnessed hostess.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:37
No.7452108

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:37 No.7452108

Replies: >>7452275

>>7451995
>implying this is free market

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLRA

>The National Labor Relations Act, NLRA, or Wagner Act (after its sponsor, New York Senator Robert F. Wagner) (Pub.L. 74-198, 49 Stat. 449, codified as amended at 29 U.S.C. § 151–169), is a 1935 United States federal law that protects the rights of employees in the private sector to engage in concerted activity. This may include creating labor unions (also known as trade unions), discussing organizing and workplace issues among coworkers, engaging in collective bargaining, and taking part in strikes and other forms of protected concerted activity in support of their demands. The Act does not apply to workers who are covered by the Railway Labor Act, agricultural employees, domestic employees, supervisors, federal, state or local government workers, independent contractors and some close relatives of individual employers.[1]

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:44
No.7452267

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:44 No.7452267

Replies: >>7452364

File: 1353267842856.png-(157 KB, 363x307, 1331771981783.png)

>>7451095
If you split the costs of living and have 3-4 wage earners in a house, it's pretty easy to live on minimum wage

However, earning enough to sustain a wife and kids on your own requires a much better job

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:44
No.7452275

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:44 No.7452275

Replies: >>7452495

>>7452108
we can never have a complete free market in america until workers rights are completely crushed

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:44
No.7452283

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:44 No.7452283

Replies: >>7452443

>>7450996
>A person with no H.S. diploma or just a GED or an untrained H.S. grad should kiss whoever's ass everyday if he/she were lucky enough to get a mindless job making decent money

This seems to be antithetical to a central premise of the republican and libertarian logic in regards to lessening social programs and regulation.
>The market is able to regulate itself because individuals are able to choose the transactions they desire. They have the means and information to choose actions that are to their best interest.
>Those without a certain level of training have done so because of their own actions and should not be accommodated by the state and should seek a source of income as to better their own lives.

I believe what you have said shows that employers have a much more powerful stance within this relationship and a deregulated market serves to further the interests of business be them to the detriment of our community, be it local or global.

I believe wage laws, social programs, and regulations are needed in our ever complex world.
In regards to the individual I see that government makes investments into individuals by means such as education, training, and upkeep through bad times. Such are allocations of funded by the constituents of the state accrued through revenue streams such as taxation. The ends of such investments are to allow people to pursue their individual ends with the outcome that these individuals will contribute funds exceeding their initial investment. By this mechanism people are afforded their pursuits of happiness, an economic freedom of sorts as not could be afforded if government was defined by a non-interventionist liberty. The government serves to provide resources in ways private interests could not be solvent, with these bounds being arbitrary and changing with time.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:45
No.7452306

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:45 No.7452306

Replies: >>7452404

That's the problem with utopias

someone has to clean the toilets

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:47
No.7452364

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:47 No.7452364

>>7452267
2 wage earners could cover a couple kids though. especially considering all the luxuries they have.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:49
No.7452404

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:49 No.7452404

File: 1353268142121.gif-(997 KB, 500x277, 1346787684964.gif)

>>7452306
What of automation?
However, a bottom/ shit tier will always be perceived.
Everything is comparative, interpretations of one's life are based on the perceived lives of others and the perceptions others have of what comprises a worthwhile life.
Maybe we will get beyond that....

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:49
No.7452408

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:49 No.7452408

File: 1353268152915.png-(181 KB, 635x720, 1337879907786.png)

>>7451872
elaborate

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:50
No.7452443

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:50 No.7452443

Replies: >>7452710

>>7452283
employers are restricted in how much they demand to make employees work by how much the worker needs to work.

nobody needs to work the long grueling hours people did in the past in order to live in some workhouse, or shanty.

nowadays we all have enough wealth that we don't have to work as much. if employers try to make people work more people strike or refuse to work there.

as the wealth of the average citizen grew and the the wealth of the united states grew workers didn't have to work as much.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:51
No.7452456

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:51 No.7452456

>>7451872
Their both dynamic systems that could are bureaucracies by definition.
Resting your logic on semantics seems weak.
Could you elaborate?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)14:52
No.7452495

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)14:52 No.7452495

Replies: >>7454546

>>7452275
workers have the right to strike. employers have the right to fire them for striking. workers have the right to try to negotiate higher wages. employers have the right to say fuck off.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:00
No.7452710

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:00 No.7452710

Replies: >>7452844 >>7454659

>>7452443
Could you give me a working citation?
Do you believe people are afforded the opportunity to choose the hours they desire or their place of employment?
I would like to frame this question for those working manufacturing, service industry, or any work set by the rigor of opening and closing hours.
Would you consider people have a dependence on work as their sole or major source of income while businesses have multiple streams of labor?
How do you perceive wealth?
At what level of income does your wealth become dispensable or you may perceive financial security?
Do you believe there to be a difference in the bargaining process between private and public organizations?

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:06
No.7452844

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:06 No.7452844

Replies: >>7452875 >>7452885 >>7454447 >>7454513

File: 1353269195524.gif-(38 KB, 600x581, poverty in the US stat.gif)

>>7452710
>Would you consider people have a dependence on work as their sole or major source of income while businesses have multiple streams of labor?
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. people need jobs to live yes. or they can create their own, or live out in the wilderness.
>How do you perceive wealth?
wealth is about "stuff" what you can buy and how much free time you can afford to spend doing whatever
>At what level of income does your wealth become dispensable or you may perceive financial security?
when you start wasting money on luxuries you have disposable income
>Do you believe there to be a difference in the bargaining process between private and public organizations?
absolutely. in the private sector management and workers are always on opposing sides. in the public sector the govt is the employer and the workers are the voters. a labor friendly politician will be on the same side of labor. and give them everything they want in exchange for votes.

and what do you want a source on?

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)15:07
No.7452875

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)15:07 No.7452875

Replies: >>7452885 >>7452956 >>7452979 >>7452988 >>7453014 >>7454178

File: 1353269248614.png-(41 KB, 608x517, poverty_amenities_limbaugh.png)

>>7452844
can we stop posting this image

really

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)15:07
No.7452885

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)15:07 No.7452885

Replies: >>7452956 >>7452988 >>7453014

File: 1353269279665.png-(56 KB, 600x874, poverty_amenities.png)

>>7452844
>>7452875

sage
11/18/12(Sun)15:09
No.7452927

sage 11/18/12(Sun)15:09 No.7452927

Replies: >>7452999 >>7453015 >>7453032

>>7449938

Such a fail post I had to respond.

Sewing in this sense means sewing seeds, just so you know. Not sewing clothes.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:10
No.7452956

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:10 No.7452956

Replies: >>7453027

>>7452875
>>7452885
what you don't seem to realize is a refrigerator is not valuable in how much it costs, its valuable in what it does. same with microwaves etc.

it makes your life easier, it means you have to spend less time doing shit like shopping or cooking. the less time you spend doing this shit is more time you can be building your wealth

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:12
No.7452979

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:12 No.7452979

Replies: >>7453229

>>7452875
okay, stove, fridge I'll give you as household basics?

but TV? that says a lot about our society that people consider TV a basic

pig disgusting

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:12
No.7452988

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:12 No.7452988

>>7452885
>>7452875
how does the lower cost of something useful make it less useful?

if something valuable costs less that doesn't mean its any less valuable in a utilitarian sense.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:12
No.7452999

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:12 No.7452999

>>7452927
>sowing

lol

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:13
No.7453014

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:13 No.7453014

Replies: >>7453056

>>7452885
>>7452875
>cheap luxury products are now available for everyone

somehow liberals try to paint this as a bad thing.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:13
No.7453015

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:13 No.7453015

>>7452927
you should have spelled it correctly then
it's spelled "sow" in this instance

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)15:13
No.7453027

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)15:13 No.7453027

>>7452956
...that's the point of the images i posted bro. their dollar value is small, and you can't sell them if you're renting anyway.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:13
No.7453028

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:13 No.7453028

Replies: >>7453085 >>7453172 >>7454159

File: 1353269633852.png-(776 KB, 800x600, manlet pls go.png)

manlet pls go

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:14
No.7453032

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:14 No.7453032

>>7452927
Also, the proper spelling in that context is "sowing", not "sewing".

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:15
No.7453049

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:15 No.7453049

>>7449475
The union already made 30% wage concessions in 2004 during Hostess' first bankruptcy. But I guess you didn't consider that did you.

ennui
11/18/12(Sun)15:15
No.7453052

ennui 11/18/12(Sun)15:15 No.7453052

Replies: >>7453172

File: 1353269730369.png-(62 KB, 583x259, Dawkins_giraffe_2.png)

Daily reminder I am retarded

Pipe Bomb! !GRG1IWogTk
11/18/12(Sun)15:15
No.7453054

Pipe Bomb! !GRG1IWogTk 11/18/12(Sun)15:15 No.7453054

this is why you hire mexicans who are happy to work for the change you find in your couch.

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)15:15
No.7453056

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)15:15 No.7453056

Replies: >>7453086 >>7453171 >>7454271

>>7453014
who said it was bad?

it's just a refutation of the chart he posted that suggests people are no longer poor because they have a place to store or cook their food.

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)15:16
No.7453085

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)15:16 No.7453085

>>7453028
why are you posting pictures of me bro

i look pretty great though heh

ennui
11/18/12(Sun)15:16
No.7453086

ennui 11/18/12(Sun)15:16 No.7453086

Replies: >>7453172

File: 1353269796006.jpg-(10 KB, 225x225, index.jpg)

>>7453056

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)15:20
No.7453160

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)15:20 No.7453160

Replies: >>7453218

>>7453110
i don't have a single one of those traits though

lol

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:20
No.7453171

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:20 No.7453171

Replies: >>7453256 >>7453317

>>7453056
having wealth means you can buy things. if you can buy more things for less money you're wealthy because you can buy those things.

if i can buy a house and a car for 100 dollars am i any poorer than someone who paid for those things for 100,000 dollars? and i'm not talking about resale value.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:20
No.7453172

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:20 No.7453172

Replies: >>7453218

>>7453028
>>7453052
>>7453086
>>7453110
xD epic ween

ennui
11/18/12(Sun)15:22
No.7453218

ennui 11/18/12(Sun)15:22 No.7453218

Replies: >>7453325

File: 1353270147948.jpg-(26 KB, 337x422, average date for ennui.jpg)

>>7453172
>>7453160
>samefagging

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:22
No.7453229

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:22 No.7453229

Replies: >>7453256

>>7452979
dude tvs are dirt cheap
low quality ones that is

they dont own 72 inch flat screens...

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)15:24
No.7453256

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)15:24 No.7453256

Replies: >>7453296 >>7453355

>>7453171
yeah but poor people can't sell most of their appliances because they rent, or likely can't sell their house because of their mortgage.

i'm not really seeing what kinda point you're trying to make here bro, it's great having a fridge and a microwave or whatever else, but it doesn't mean fuck all if it's empty all the time, or if the only way you can fill it up is with government assistance.

you're still poor, you're still struggling, you're still living paycheck to paycheck, you still don't have health insurance, and you're still one car accident or fuck up at work away from homelessness.

>>7453229
people give them away on craigslist when they move for fucks sake

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:25
No.7453270

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:25 No.7453270

Replies: >>7453383

two bankruptcies in the last 8 years. something else was going on. enough of these threads, theres a shit ton of them every day now.

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU
11/18/12(Sun)15:26
No.7453293

ennui !!r1XrQP07hRU 11/18/12(Sun)15:26 No.7453293

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/ele/3418175705.html

took me two minutes to find this

ennui
11/18/12(Sun)15:26
No.7453296

ennui 11/18/12(Sun)15:26 No.7453296

Replies: >>7453332

File: 1353270382815.jpg-(596 KB, 1131x1600, how short is ennui.jpg)

>>7453256

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:27
No.7453317

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:27 No.7453317

Replies: >>7453346 >>7453406

>>7453171
yeah, but thats because of technology boosts
sure, tvs from the 80s are dirt cheap because they're no longer cutting edge technology

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:27
No.7453325

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:27 No.7453325

>>7453218
>being autistic
Check the times, sport.

Anonymous
11/18/12(Sun)15:27
No.7453332

Anonymous 11/18/12(Sun)15:27 No.7453332

Replies: >>7453346

>>7453296
>not putting tinytrip instead of ennui
he looks more like tinytrip anyway