Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)03:11
No.7350282

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)03:11 No.7350282

Replies: >>7358538

You're a faggot, OP. That's the answer.

If you have property in the US, protected by the US and its citizens, then you owe them some payment for their service.

You don't like taxes? Go off the grid, or to some other part of the world.

And in the meantime, fuck yourself.


Faggot.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)03:12
No.7350310

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)03:12 No.7350310

Replies: >>7357415

http://lesswrong.com/lw/e95/the_noncentral_fallacy_the_worst_argument_in_the/

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)03:12
No.7350317

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)03:12 No.7350317

It's both, ya dummy. It's used to provide services to YOU. So it's an enforced fee. At the same time it's used to provide services you don't need or object to. So it's theft.

The question is wear is the appropriate lines. You can't only pay for exactly what roads you use. The smartest move is the smallest government practical with no non-essential services being funded with taxes.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)03:13
No.7350334

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)03:13 No.7350334

Replies: >>7356804

File: 1353053624270.jpg-(120 KB, 540x498, buttanihilated.jpg)

Stop using paved roads.

BenSpurr !!Vp9lMh6KQfP
11/16/12(Fri)03:14
No.7350348

BenSpurr !!Vp9lMh6KQfP 11/16/12(Fri)03:14 No.7350348

Replies: >>7356162

Depends on the tax.

For example, being forced to pay for Employment Insurance even though less than 5% of people who qualify and apply for it get it is a fucking scam.

Making people pay income tax on top of all other taxes is a fucking scam.

Those are pretty much the only two I have an issue with. The rest are fine... and my province even has 14% sales tax.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)07:53
No.7356103

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)07:53 No.7356103

Replies: >>7356215 >>7357770

File: 1353070391419.jpg-(22 KB, 547x453, State or Market.jpg)

>>7350234 (OP)
>Is taxation theft? Or not?
>It's one or the other, which is it?

Yes Taxation is Theft.

When you point a gun in someone's face and steal their property that is theft.

When you actually shoot them that is murder.

Government is no more than a band of murdering thieves.

(Actually they are more, because they also enslave the people into servitude)

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)07:55
No.7356162

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)07:55 No.7356162

>>7350348

>being fine with regressive sales taxes

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)07:57
No.7356215

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)07:57 No.7356215

Replies: >>7356419 >>7356453 >>7357491

>>7356103

No guns are being pointed, you are free to leave the country if you wish.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)07:58
No.7356234

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)07:58 No.7356234

Replies: >>7356587 >>7356747

If taxation is theft then all wage labour is slavery

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)07:59
No.7356260

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)07:59 No.7356260

It's more like modern day slavery, because you're forced to work for a master, in this case the international bankers and the government industrial mafia

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:03
No.7356374

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:03 No.7356374

yes it is

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:05
No.7356414

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:05 No.7356414

Obviously

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:05
No.7356419

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:05 No.7356419

File: 1353071116729.jpg-(7 KB, 180x317, death from below.jpg)

>>7356215
>No guns are being pointed, you are free to leave the country if you wish.

I am leaving, and I'm taking Texas with me. Bye Jew.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:05
No.7356434

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:05 No.7356434

Replies: >>7356721

Taxation of land is theft of land since you can never truely own it due to a never-ending rent on it to government who can eminent domain it or homeowners association it away from you at any moment while being able to jail you and take everything from you for non-payment of said forever-rent to the government.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:06
No.7356453

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:06 No.7356453

Replies: >>7356479

>>7356215
Where does one go when all the earths land is own by governments with taxes?

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:07
No.7356479

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:07 No.7356479

>>7356453


Open ocean. It's the only thing government doesn't own.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:09
No.7356516

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:09 No.7356516

Replies: >>7358668

Sales tax is.

You pay tax on your income right? The government just got their cut (a significant portion I might add). Sales tax in my country is around 15% of the purchase, this money also goes directly to the government. Basically you're getting taxed twice.

The shop owner? They have to pay taxes on all their goods, as well as their profits. So the merchant is paying taxes twice as well.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:11
No.7356584

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:11 No.7356584

Inheritance tax is theft. You spend your whole life paying taxes on everything, then wheh you die, the government wants 50% of everything left.


Annual taxes on assets already taxed the previous year is theft, such as re-taxing assets as bank accounts and land.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:11
No.7356587

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:11 No.7356587

Replies: >>7356742 >>7357872

File: 1353071519823.jpg-(15 KB, 350x279, RP Laments the Loss.jpg)

>>7356234
>If taxation is theft then all wage labour is slavery

That is stupid and idiotic. You are under no obligation whatsoever to work. You only work if you want to. No "company" or organization will force you to work.

Now human needs and inner motivations might inspire you to work (like "hunger") but that is natural and this occurs with every animal and creatures from ants to elephants, and humans (except those in government, they force others to work for them, avoiding all productive endeavours)

>7356260
>It's more like modern day slavery, because you're forced to work for a master, in this case the international bankers and the government industrial mafia

Industry does not force anyone to work. Ford Motor company not only did not ever force me to work: But they would not even allow me to work for them, preferring to only employ their own legacy union employees over non-union non-connected human scum like me. Your comment is not only false, but wildly so.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:13
No.7356633

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:13 No.7356633

Replies: >>7356753

Government owns everything. They just allow you to use certain things and act as a caretaker

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:17
No.7356721

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:17 No.7356721

Replies: >>7356899

File: 1353071828184.jpg-(131 KB, 563x720, SeeItReportIt.jpg)

>>7356434
>Taxation of land is theft

Kind of. "Property tax" is not theft of the individual per se. But~~~~~ No you are right. I change my mind mid-post. Property tax is theft, becuase it is the corrupt government stealing the entire land and buildings of the whole United States, which are supposed to belong to the people.

By imposing rent, on persons who mistakenly believe they "own" property, and by evicting aand dispossessing those renters who fail to pay the rent (property tax) the government has both banished the right of private property in the USA< and stolen all the real estate in the USA outright

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:17
No.7356742

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:17 No.7356742

Replies: >>7356889 >>7357000

>>7356587
>Industry does not force anyone to work


But the government does. The very system is designed to prevent homesteading. You have to pay never-ending property taxes. To do that, you must have money to do so. You can either become someone's employee to get the money (paycheck taxed plus you need to buy clothing, possibly a car, and other things needed to work at a given company --- all which is taxed when you buy it), or you can open your own business to sell crap you produce (for which you'll need a government business license as well as a formal business to be taxed while you're taxed on the earnings of that business as well as all assets and tools you buy to help run said business.

The entire system is designed aorund forcing you to be a taxpayer while profiting companies along the way. Anything else is pretty much against the law.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:18
No.7356747

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:18 No.7356747

Replies: >>7357803

>>7356234
that doesn't follow

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:18
No.7356753

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:18 No.7356753

File: 1353071885540.jpg-(23 KB, 720x409, Neitshce on The Law.jpg)

>>7356633
>Government owns everything. They just allow you to use certain things and act as a caretaker

And make you pay for the privilege.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:20
No.7356804

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:20 No.7356804

Replies: >>7356835 >>7356913 >>7356954 >>7356958 >>7357365

File: 1353072009579.jpg-(119 KB, 960x777, government roads.jpg)

>>7350334
MUH ROADS

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:21
No.7356835

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:21 No.7356835

>>7356804

Except... taxpayers on average really aren't very good at dealing with companies.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:23
No.7356889

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:23 No.7356889

Replies: >>7357051 >>7357149

File: 1353072220516.jpg-(23 KB, 462x353, Scandals Not.jpg)

>>7356742
>The entire system is designed around forcing you to be a taxpayer while profiting companies along the way. Anything else is pretty much against the law.

I agree with everything you said, but like the other poster above, why did you toss in "and make companies money" in above quote?

I agree government gouges you at every step and plunders you from birth to death (unless you're black in which case you get free stuff) but if you're white like me, it's a lifetime of servitude with a gun pointed at your face.

But why the "company" comment? It does not follow at all. The government would not care if you literally ate dirt and worms so sustain yourself wearing the same clothing for 50 years, (thus not enriching any compnanies) , as long as you paid the blood money (property tax, income tax) on any income you made, and on your house and land.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:23
No.7356899

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:23 No.7356899

Replies: >>7356986

>>7356721


Now someone gets it.

Only the government owns land in America, where land ownership was considered one of the most basic rights in America when it was founded.

There are other countries where only the government owns land -- China, cold-war Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela............

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:24
No.7356913

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:24 No.7356913

>>7356804
conservatives in a nutshell
They don't get movie scenes. Engineers are not good dealing with customers.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:26
No.7356954

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:26 No.7356954

Replies: >>7357011 >>7357181

>>7356804
>Why don't the taxpayers pay for the roads directly instead of via the government

I agree. They could pool their money together, and elect a representative who would go to the construction companies on their behalf to negotiate to build the road.
This would be much more efficient than the current system.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:26
No.7356958

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:26 No.7356958

Replies: >>7357064 >>7357103 >>7357365

>>7356804
Enjoy no police force, fire protection, dog catchers, military protection, any form of environmental regulation, any type of utility regulation.

In other words enjoy hell.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:27
No.7356986

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:27 No.7356986

File: 1353072443260.jpg-(36 KB, 600x429, north_korean_military.jpg)

>>7356899
>China, cold-war Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela............

Comrades! Now I know why life feels like this in America!

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:27
No.7357000

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:27 No.7357000

>>7356742
>you can open your own business to sell crap you produce (for which you'll need a government business license as well as a formal business to be taxed while you're taxed on the earnings of that business as well as all assets and tools you buy to help run said business.

Are you sure? I do business tax in the EU. If you buy any tools or assets for your business, you can get a refund of the tax element on those items. Maybe the US is different, of course.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:28
No.7357011

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:28 No.7357011

Replies: >>7357322 >>7357483

>>7356954
>I agree. They could pool their money together, and elect a representative who would go to the construction companies on their behalf to negotiate to build the road.
>This would be much more efficient than the current system.

That sounds pretty much like a government. Oh and what happens if some of the people refuse to pay their fair share of the pool but yet the road runs in front of the house. How will you enforce them not using the road? Wait, now you have a police force. Who's going to pay for that?

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:28
No.7357029

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:28 No.7357029

Replies: >>7357430

Only jews could come up with something so stupid as "tax is theft"

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:29
No.7357051

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:29 No.7357051

>>7356889
>But why the "company" comment? It does not follow at all. The government would not care if you literally ate dirt and worms so sustain yourself wearing the same clothing for 50 years, (thus not enriching any compnanies) , as long as you paid the blood money (property tax, income tax) on any income you made, and on your house and land.

Where would you get the hard currency to pay property tax, if not from registering a business or taking a salary? Hell, the IRS would probably want to know where the fuck you got the money to pay property tax if you weren't declaring any income.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:30
No.7357064

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:30 No.7357064

>>7356958

>In other words enjoy Somalia.

FTFY

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:30
No.7357075

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:30 No.7357075

Replies: >>7357132 >>7357137 >>7357156

File: 1353072624820.gif-(1.43 MB, 200x200, Harbaugh rage.gif)

>retards still believing that wanting smaller government with lower taxes means no government at all

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:30
No.7357090

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:30 No.7357090

File: 1353072649258.png-(123 KB, 520x415, 1352520864870.png)

>I steal 100 dollars out of your wallet.
>You get to keep some of the things I buy so it's all okay.
>I steal from everyone in a 1000 mile radius.
>If you don't like it, then move to the middle o the ocean.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:30
No.7357095

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:30 No.7357095

Replies: >>7357224 >>7357825

Taxation without transparency or fully disclosed explanation on the final destination and nature of tax is theft.
A government taking tax and not being controlled by third parties that it is spending all that tax correctly and accordingly is theft.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:31
No.7357103

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:31 No.7357103

Replies: >>7357807

>>7356958

HOW CAN I INTO MINARCHISM?

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:31
No.7357111

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:31 No.7357111

Taxation is rent.

Its more accurate, but less catchy.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:32
No.7357132

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:32 No.7357132

>>7357075
Retards not realizing that every single successful civilization in world history relied taxation of its subjects.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:32
No.7357137

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:32 No.7357137

File: 1353072757038.jpg-(26 KB, 400x267, saladhands.jpg)

>>7357075
>Taxation is theft! Government is slavery!

>Well, a little theft and a little slavery is okay.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:32
No.7357146

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:32 No.7357146

It's a deep issue.

Strictly speaking, yeah you can call it theft. More akin to a protection racket, but that's the jist of it.

The issue shouldn't be whether or not it's theft though. The issue should be, is the loss from tax worth the gain from tax? Tax can be set up so the loss of personal liberty is minimal while still providing a wide variety of benefits. Ideally, tax would be able to give more liberty then it takes away by offering options that would be otherwise denied.

Deeper issues come from enforcement of tax, distribution of funding and other such points. Whether or not tax is justified isn't something you can just brush away by going "Lol theft". A state can serve its people well, assuming it can be run properly.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:33
No.7357149

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:33 No.7357149

>>7356889


The government doesn't produce the goods and services you need to become a taxpaying worker. Companies do. Who makes those clothes or company uniforms for either private employment or even government and military employment? Who makes the tools and equipment you use to to whatever job you do? Who even makes the public infrastructure between your home and where you're employed? Private companies produce all of that shit.


So by being forced to be a taxpayer you're also forced into being a consumer

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:33
No.7357156

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:33 No.7357156

>>7357075
>>retards still believing that wanting smaller government with lower taxes means no government at all

Then they should drop the "taxation is theft" line, which implies that ANY level of taxation, and thus any level of government beyond a volunteer council system, is undesirable.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:33
No.7357170

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:33 No.7357170

Replies: >>7357253

File: 1353072827994.png-(270 KB, 1616x1413, worst-argument.png)

OH
LOOKS
IT'S
THIS
AGAIN

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:33
No.7357173

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:33 No.7357173

Replies: >>7357314

File: 1353072833824.jpg-(525 KB, 1218x696, anarchist unite.jpg)

Minarchism is retarded and self-contradictory.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:34
No.7357181

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:34 No.7357181

File: 1353072850901.jpg-(29 KB, 480x360, Greek Proverb.jpg)

>>7356954
>I agree. They could pool their money together, and elect a representative who would go to the construction companies on their behalf to negotiate to build the road.

Actually they wouldn't have to do anything. Companies like Walmart would fall all over each other competing to make the cheapest and most convenient roads for people, and I predict Walmart would win on low cost. Plus I have never been given a ticket in a Walmart parking lot, nor have I ever been tazered by Walmart security, so I can guess the Walmart roads would be a whole Hell of a lot more pleasant than the Gulag/Roads we currently suffer.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:35
No.7357224

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:35 No.7357224

Replies: >>7357301

File: 1353072942392.jpg-(38 KB, 700x476, cost of illegal immigration.jpg)

>>7357095
>Taxation without transparency or fully disclosed explanation on the final destination and nature of tax is theft.

This is what makes me so angry about taxes. I'll pay for the fucking roads and military, but I'll goddamned if my money is going to pay for welfare for some beaner who just crossed the border.

pic related

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:37
No.7357253

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:37 No.7357253

Replies: >>7357290 >>7357367

>>7357170
Do you even read what you post. Right there it says

>"Taxation is theft!" True if you define theft as "taking someone else's money regardless of their consent"

We define it as that so there we go.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:38
No.7357290

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:38 No.7357290

>>7357253
oh dear god

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:39
No.7357297

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:39 No.7357297

Replies: >>7357346 >>7357347

File: 1353073156976.jpg-(66 KB, 493x427, 3.jpg)

What is theft or not is determined by law.
Taxation is not considered theft by law, so it is no theft.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:39
No.7357301

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:39 No.7357301

Replies: >>7357371 >>7357399

>>7357224
>welfare
>for illegals
I don't think you know how welfare works.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:40
No.7357314

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:40 No.7357314

Replies: >>7357401

>>7357173
Yep, because its a form of statism.

Anarcho-capitalism all the way

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:40
No.7357322

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:40 No.7357322

>>7357011
The joke was that that would be a government like ours.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:41
No.7357328

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:41 No.7357328

Depends on context.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:41
No.7357343

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:41 No.7357343

Most taxes are legitimate.

Land tax is communism since it's a rent on land that can never be paid off to truely let you own it, giving government sole ownership of every square inch of the country because nothing says the opposite of "you own it" like cops with guns strapped on to take you down and remove you from THEIR property for failure to pay the rent to government.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:41
No.7357346

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:41 No.7357346

Replies: >>7357380

>>7357297
Goodie. We'll make rape legal, then it won't be illegal and everything will be okay :)

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:41
No.7357347

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:41 No.7357347

>>7357297
>government makes laws defining the things they do as not illegal

what a shocker

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:42
No.7357365

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:42 No.7357365

File: 1353073346941.jpg-(107 KB, 600x828, Trotsky Reposes upon a Mo(...).jpg)

>>7356958
>>7356804
>Enjoy no police force,

NO MORE TICKETS!!! NO MORE MOLESTING ME AT AIRPORTS!!!!! HALLELUJA I LOVE YOU ANON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>fire protection,

Me and my neighbors work together, we don't need your so called "protection" anon. Net win

>dog catchers,

I love dogs. Leave them alone you statist bastard. Pit Bulls running wild will recognize your evil nature and attack you endlessly providing me great pleasure. (while they naturally love me, a kind and pure heart they can feel)

>no military protection, (get it "protection" lol!!)

Good. Thank God the military is all fired!! The founding fathers warned against a standing army, and as you can see, they just go starting wars for Israel and making us enemies all over the world anyway. Thanks for the great idea anon. Your ideas are great!!

>any form of environmental regulation, any type of utility regulation.

No more Flouride in my water, no more mercury light bulbs. It's going to be a great day when government polluters are all fired!!! Safe light bulbs once again!!

>In other words enjoy hell.

Hell is living with you not only pointing a gun at me my whole life and plundering me, but also listening to your preaching how much I'm supposed to like it. You are a human plague and a disease.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:42
No.7357367

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:42 No.7357367

>>7357253
missed the point like a boss

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:42
No.7357371

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:42 No.7357371

Replies: >>7357426

>>7357301


They do get it thanks to "sanctuary cities" not giving a fuck about the laws as well as through their anchor babies.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:42
No.7357380

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:42 No.7357380

>>7357346
Except you wont.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:43
No.7357399

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:43 No.7357399

Replies: >>7357426 >>7357792 >>7357826

File: 1353073417074.png-(1.02 MB, 441x603, Mike Stoklasa ride.png)

>>7357301
Sir, I live in California. It's a known fact that illegals get welfare. They get free healthcare, free education, free driver's licenses, etc.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:43
No.7357401

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:43 No.7357401

>>7357314

The first states started because agriculture encouraged economic specialization, which meant some people spent their time practicing with weapons while other people were growing food.

This means disputes are settled in a biased way. Withholding food doesn't work as well as threatening with a skillfully-wielded sharp object for food.

Fucking Rothbard imbecile kike.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:43
No.7357402

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:43 No.7357402

Replies: >>7357443 >>7357654 >>7357696

If taxes are theft, then using public roads, schools, or being protected by police and the military without paying taxes is also theft.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:44
No.7357415

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:44 No.7357415

Replies: >>7357508

>>7350310
>http://lesswrong.com/lw/e95/the_noncentral_fallacy_the_worst_argument_in_the/


>Fabricate logical fallacy to defend against opinions you do not like.

>Win

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:44
No.7357426

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:44 No.7357426

Replies: >>7357499

File: 1353073488639.jpg-(42 KB, 414x425, 1350076022309.jpg)

>>7357371
>>7357399
Seriously? That's hilarious

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:45
No.7357430

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:45 No.7357430

File: 1353073504541.jpg-(27 KB, 607x431, No Change.jpg)

>>7357029
>Only jews could come up with something so evil as "tax"

I agree with you Rabbi. Finally you speak the truth. I doubt that will ever happen again

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:45
No.7357443

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:45 No.7357443

Replies: >>7357486

>>7357402
>doesn't know the actual breakdown of the percentage of tax money that goes to those things.

If you're lucky, it's 15%

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:46
No.7357483

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:46 No.7357483

Replies: >>7357676

>>7357011
>That sounds pretty much like a government.
But with the government you have to pay to build the roads, and 1,000 bureaucrats to deal with the companies

> Oh and what happens if some of the people refuse to pay their fair share
The point is it's voluntary, if the police enforces it it's tax. The road on your street is fucked up. Your neighbor says "Hey, wanna donate money to fix the road?". Either enough people do and it gets fixed, or not enough people do and it doesn't. It's in your interest to fix the road, so you donate.

> Wait, now you have a police force. Who's going to pay for that?
If your local council/government/community said that they needed donation for the LOCAL police force, you most honest people want to donate money? And the police force could be combined with local security to gain revenue that way (purely a suggestion, I don't know if I support this idea)

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:46
No.7357486

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:46 No.7357486

Replies: >>7357534

>>7357443
It is still paid for 100% by taxes. If you don't pay taxes and you use those things you are stealing.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:46
No.7357491

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:46 No.7357491

Replies: >>7357545

>>7356215
>No guns are being pointed, you are free to leave the country if you wish.

Must be nice living a sheltered life. I won't even begin to try and convince you of the psuedo police state hanging over everyone's heads 24/7, so let me ask you this, what does one need to leave the United States, to go anywhere, hmm?

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:46
No.7357499

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:46 No.7357499

File: 1353073618528.jpg-(48 KB, 578x594, Mike Stoklasa greasy.jpg)

>>7357426
Yes, and the people running the state (aka Democrats) think we shouldn't stop that shit. But God forbid you say you don't want to pay for illegals based purely from an economic point of view, you're still just a filthy racist and your argument is ignored.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:47
No.7357508

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:47 No.7357508

Replies: >>7357981

>>7357415
It's not fabricated. His point is completely accurate. Attaching a word with negative connotations to something you disagree with is not an argument, it's playing with semantics.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:48
No.7357534

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:48 No.7357534

>>7357486
Awesome so cut my taxes by 85% then.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:48
No.7357545

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:48 No.7357545

>>7357491
friends

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:49
No.7357595

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:49 No.7357595

Replies: >>7357644

>>7350234 (OP)
Not. It's the price we pay to not have to shit in our own drinking water.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:51
No.7357638

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:51 No.7357638

If your monetary, financial, and regulatory institutions systematically reward the less productive and the exploiters, then taxation targeting them--for example with a progressive tax system--is not theft, although it will probably involve some theft of actually productive people for difficulty in formulating the system right.

The idiotic idea that prices demonstrate value, without referencing the institutional structures and their impact, is idiotic.

There is also the issue that human are a species that requires investment over generations and to some extent if the amount of investment you received to make you at all functional, and to maintain a minimum social structure which is functional/ enables you to be functional, was reasonable, then it is hard to argue that you can't be expected to make that kind of minim investment in your nation.

All other instances, yes, taxation is theft.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:51
No.7357644

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:51 No.7357644

>>7357595
>just whatever shit corporations pay the government to put in the water.

Lel

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:51
No.7357654

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:51 No.7357654

Replies: >>7357701

File: 1353073910705.jpg-(24 KB, 545x506, 665098095.jpg)

>>7357402
>If taxes are theft,

Yes taxes are theft

>then using public roads,

Hmm. My parents paid for the roads, now I don't get to use them. Intertesing.

>public schools,

Public Schools are a prison. You force kids to go at gunpoint. Now you're saying they can't go?
Which is it Stalin?

>or being protected by police and the military

"protected!" Is that what you call getting ticketed tazered and molested for an entire lifetime!?!?

Where do I sign up to not be "protected" by you you God Damned thug!

As for the military "protecting" me. Why don't they all go join the Israeli military that's who they work for anyway I'm tired of paying to bomb Gaza children

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:52
No.7357676

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:52 No.7357676

Replies: >>7357749

>>7357483
>The point is it's voluntary, if the police enforces it it's tax. The road on your street is fucked up. Your neighbor says "Hey, wanna donate money to fix the road?". Either enough people do and it gets fixed, or not enough people do and it doesn't. It's in your interest to fix the road, so you donate.

Not enough money was donated to fix the road, now what?

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:53
No.7357696

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:53 No.7357696

>>7357402

And when government uses them without the government itself paying taxes, are they stealing from taxpayers with their exempt license plates while using services they did not pay for?

I think so.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:53
No.7357701

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:53 No.7357701

Replies: >>7357911 >>7358094

>>7357654
>My parents paid for the roads, now I don't get to use them.

Yes, because roads never need maintenance work. Once the construction is finished, they're good as new forever.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:55
No.7357735

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:55 No.7357735

Gay rights are a slippery slope that lead to checking everyone's cisprivilege.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:55
No.7357749

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:55 No.7357749

Replies: >>7357813

>>7357676
Then the road doesn't get fixed. It's in your best interest to donate to fix the road. I said that already

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:56
No.7357770

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:56 No.7357770

Replies: >>7357880 >>7357966

>>7356103

Oh, God, you are an idiot.

Markets require some sort of structure to happen, and that requires some sort of regulatory social structure.

Get rid of the kike econ (mises was an idiot's take on Smith, Hayek was a non-Jew who stupidly chose to build on Hayek--and was wrong about everything--and Rothbard and Ayn Rand and Greenspan were all fucknuts) and stick to Lindblom to start:

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1955120?uid=3738032&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21101302733343

http://www.scribd.com/doc/51152831/Lindblom-The-Market-System-Yale-2001

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:57
No.7357792

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:57 No.7357792

Replies: >>7357819

>>7357399
Really, and how would that work?
I want you to explain to me how somebody without a legal identity, without a social security number, without any form of legal ID, without a birth certificate etc. would be eligible for any kind of government assistance.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:57
No.7357803

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:57 No.7357803

>>7356747

Yes it does. One idiotic oversimplification deserves another.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:57
No.7357807

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:57 No.7357807

Replies: >>7357889

File: 1353074251914.jpg-(8 KB, 300x189, Monaco_Lifestyle_.jpg)

>>7357103

"minarchism" is it what you want anon?

Enjoy glorious benevolent dictatorship no tax all freedom all the time Monaco!!
(no wars no conscription no tax all freedom)

It's such a glorious system that all the richest elite of all Europe have already stormed in, and thus the real estate costs are highest in the world unfortunately.

Seems rich people love freedom and hate taxes and they all ran to Monaco.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:57
No.7357813

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:57 No.7357813

Replies: >>7357914

>>7357749
>It's in your best interest to donate to fix the road.
Nah man, because other people will donate, because it's in their best interest to do so. No need for me to donate too.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:57
No.7357819

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:57 No.7357819

Replies: >>7357898

>>7357792
Seriously dude?

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:58
No.7357825

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:58 No.7357825

>>7357095
>Taxation without transparency or fully disclosed explanation on the final destination and nature of tax is theft.

Too bad THAT won't fit on a bumper sticker. Oh well, at least you're right.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:58
No.7357826

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:58 No.7357826

>>7357399


It's also the main reason why the state is fucking broke and has been on the edge of bankruptcy since long before the recession even began and why California has had more cities and towns file for bankruptcy than any other state.


But the lefttards there won't do shit about it because they don't want to piss off the Mexicans, so they just tell the federal goverment "GIBE ME MORE MONEY" while telling the people "COME HERE AS TOURISTS AND BRING YOUR MONEY BUT DON'T MOVE HERE BECAUSE IT'LL PISS OFF THE MEXICANS TO HAVE WHITES FLOODING IN"

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:58
No.7357834

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:58 No.7357834

Taxation is the greatest invention in the last 2000 years

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:59
No.7357872

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:59 No.7357872

Replies: >>7358111

>>7356587

The fact that human beings experience hunger means that realistic threat of starvation can be used to enslave people just as readily as kidnappings at knifepoint.

Start thinking in terms of regulatory structure and national goals for the betterment of humans instead of necessity for the benefit of structures within the current regulatory system.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1955120?uid=3738032&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21101302733343

http://www.scribd.com/doc/51152831/Lindblom-The-Market-System-Yale-2001

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)08:59
No.7357880

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)08:59 No.7357880

>>7357770
>trade apples for oranges
>markets without a regulatory structure

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:00
No.7357889

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:00 No.7357889

>>7357807

>I will never have the money to live in Monaco
>I will continue to watch my country support crony capitalism under the guise of 'progressivism'

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:00
No.7357898

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:00 No.7357898

Replies: >>7358109 >>7358201

>>7357819
Yes, seriously. I've had enough of the bullshit people throw around, I want them to actually explain how they think this happens.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:00
No.7357911

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:00 No.7357911

File: 1353074444562.jpg-(32 KB, 700x376, habana0721kNOW.jpg)

>>7357701

My parents paid for the roads, now I don't get to use them.

>Yes, because roads never need maintenance work. Once the construction is finished, they're good as new forever.

Your fired.
Leave my roads alone. I would rather pay for a massive suspension 4 wheeler and bash over potholes than pay your bloated salary and pension. Not to mention you ticketing me to death and stealing my money (on top of stealing my money in tax form)

Go fix the roads in Cuba if you think governmentworks so well

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:00
No.7357914

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:00 No.7357914

Replies: >>7358002

>>7357813
If they were to say "Hey, we've worked out how much it'll cost x money divided by x households on the street, if you don't contribute, it won't get fixed"

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:02
No.7357966

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:02 No.7357966

File: 1353074534017.jpg-(28 KB, 500x667, Cuba Now 234334.jpg)

>>7357770
>Oh, God, you are an idiot.
>Markets require some sort of structure to happen, and that requires some sort of regulatory social structure.

Yes you have convinced me Che'

Please by all means keep that gun pointed at my face.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:02
No.7357981

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:02 No.7357981

Replies: >>7358221

>>7357508

If it's true, it's true. Martin Luther King was a criminal and a womanizer. Taxation IS indeed theft. What he is ACTUALLY doing is, inadvertently I hope, defending the "lesser evil" in each of these cases so long as the end goal is good, even if only well intention'd.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:03
No.7358002

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:03 No.7358002

Replies: >>7358054

>>7357914
You don't realize how reality works, do you?

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:04
No.7358054

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:04 No.7358054

Replies: >>7358081

>>7358002
>muh reality
That's not an argument unless he said something that defies the laws of physics.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:05
No.7358081

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:05 No.7358081

Replies: >>7358119

>>7358054
The reality of the human race

80%+ of people won't pay for shit unless they're forced

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:06
No.7358094

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:06 No.7358094

>>7357701


What about when taxpayer money is used to build roads, then government lets for-profit corporations either turn them into toll roads or slap speed-trap cameras all over them?


Or when government uses taxpayer money to build public venues, then turns them over to private sports teams and corporations who name them after other corporations and give the public only insane ticket prices with fuckloads of fees and additional taxes to use said public space?

Or when government uses eminent domain to steal your lawful property then turns it over to private corporations for economic develop (read as they'll make more profits and revenue for government than you do)?

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:06
No.7358109

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:06 No.7358109

Replies: >>7358525

File: 1353074808576.jpg-(117 KB, 1124x521, Capture.jpg)

>>7357898
I'm not even American and this took me two minuets to find.
You only need one person in the household to claim they immigrated for 'humanitarian reasons" and they're eligible

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:06
No.7358111

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:06 No.7358111

File: 1353074815433.jpg-(22 KB, 450x592, Cuba Grocery Shopping.jpg)

>>7357872

So wrong on so many levels. Please stop stealing my money and either get a productive job on the free market or kill yourself. You could protest "slavery" by refusing to eat and die for your beliefs!!

pic related: Cuba No free market or corporation slavery in Cuba Comrades!! Only benevolent government and taxes to provide you with all your needs! Everything controlled by wonderful government!!!

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:07
No.7358119

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:07 No.7358119

Replies: >>7358198 >>7358262

>>7358081
And you're just pulling numbers out your ass now.

Last time I checked, people often purchase products and services they like voluntarily.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:10
No.7358198

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:10 No.7358198

Replies: >>7358280

>>7358119
It was an estimation.

>people often purchase products and services they like voluntarily.

A select few people buy icecream, pools, cars, flowers because they like them. Buying what you "like" doesn't work for infrastructure.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:10
No.7358201

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:10 No.7358201

Replies: >>7358425

File: 1353075009569.png-(105 KB, 292x265, 1352786909691.png)

>>7357898
Hospitals are required to take in all patients, insured or uninsured, legal or illegal. The taxpayers get stuck with the bill when the hospital sends the bill to the government.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/obama-partners-with-mexico-to-boost-us-food-stamp-use/
>“USDA and the government of Mexico have entered into a partnership to help educate eligible Mexican nationals living in the United States about available nutrition assistance,” the USDA explains in a brief paragraph on their “Reaching Low-Income Hispanics With Nutrition Assistance” web page. “Mexico will help disseminate this information through its embassy and network of approximately 50 consular offices.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-brown-bills-20121001,0,4581699.story
>Gov. Jerry Brown signed a new law that will allow hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses and vetoed another that would have restricted sheriffs from helping federal authorities detain undocumented Californians for potential deportation.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:10
No.7358221

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:10 No.7358221

Replies: >>7358349 >>7358380

>>7357981
It's not a matter of lesser evils.
It's a matter of where the hell the evils come from. Break a claim down into it's components. The central is not every case, and talking about every case as if it's the central is being silly. Martin Luther King may have been a criminal, but what's wrong with being a criminal? Do those traits actually apply to Marin Luther King? Then why are you even talking with the label criminal? Why not just state what you're trying to say? Saying "He's a criminal!" is a purely emotional appeal. There's also the question of weight, whether or not the evil of a thing can be made up for by the merit of the thing. This would be the case for tax, just calling it theft and thus wrong is ignoring every single argument to be made about tax and jump straight to an emotional appeal.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:11
No.7358262

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:11 No.7358262

>>7358119
>Last time I checked, people often purchase products and services they like voluntarily.
But they won't if they think other people will do it for them e.g. when people start asking for voluntary donations to build roads.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:12
No.7358270

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:12 No.7358270

>>7350234 (OP)
Yeah, OP, it's theft. But what are you going to do about it, nigger?

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:12
No.7358280

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:12 No.7358280

Replies: >>7358310 >>7358399

>>7358198
People also spend money on things they NEED.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:13
No.7358306

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:13 No.7358306

If somebody takes something that is yours without your consent, that is theft.

If you accept that you own the money you earn and not the government, tax is theft.

>but muh roads and police
If you provide a service for me without me having agreed to pay for it, you don't get to charge me. I don't have to give the government money because it offers me services.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:13
No.7358310

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:13 No.7358310

Replies: >>7358430

>>7358280
So only people who own motor vehicles should pay for HW construction?

Brilliant, anon

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:15
No.7358349

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:15 No.7358349

Replies: >>7358548 >>7358600

>>7358221
There is nothing inherently wrong about being a criminal, because it depends entirely on the justice of the laws that they are guilty of breaking and the legitimacy of the system that has branded you a criminal.

Theft, on the other hand, can be considered objectively and unconditionally wrong according to a large number of moral systems.

Your allegory doesn't work at all.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:17
No.7358380

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:17 No.7358380

Replies: >>7358548

>>7358221

Saying he's a criminal isn't an emotional appeal, it's a fact. He's a criminal. Do we venerate criminals in our society? Yes, yes we do. So, I don't see the problem.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:18
No.7358399

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:18 No.7358399

Replies: >>7358430

>>7358280
> Implying that not owning a vehicle means you're never in a vehicle that uses roads.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:19
No.7358425

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:19 No.7358425

Replies: >>7358525

>>7358201
>Hospitals are required to take in all patients, insured or uninsured, legal or illegal
That's a problem with being uninsured, not with being illegal.
>http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-brown-bills-20121001,0,4581699.story
>The driver's license measure will make illegal immigrants eligible to drive legally in California if they qualify for a new federal work permit program. That Obama administration protocol allows illegal immigrants who came to the United States before they were 16, and who are now 30 or younger and meet certain other criteria, to obtain work permits.
Not quite what you made it out to be, is it?
>http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/obama-partners-with-mexico-to-boost-us-food-stamp-use/
>gatewaypundit
lol really? Okay. Notice how the article they cite says NOTHING about illegals! (Which makes sense, because illegals aren't eligible to receive food stamps in the first place.)

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:19
No.7358430

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:19 No.7358430

>>7358310
This was meant for you
>>7358399

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:19
No.7358447

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:19 No.7358447

>>7350234 (OP)

Decentralize the tax structure. Make communities, states, and federal government liable for their own bills, and require that in order for money to leave its current circulation at the local, state, federal level and move up (tax) or back down (grants), require a mandate from the people.

Toll roads are fun. Property taxes are nice (basically paying rent to the state), ooh and let's not forget taxes on those pesky goods everyone needs like toilet paper or food.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:22
No.7358525

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:22 No.7358525

Replies: >>7358559

>>7358109
> That's a problem with being uninsured, not with being illegal.
Implying it's possible for illegals to get health insurance

Still no response for this though>>7358425

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:22
No.7358538

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:22 No.7358538

>>7350282
/thread

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:23
No.7358548

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:23 No.7358548

Replies: >>7358720

>>7358349
Then what are the objectively and unconditionally wrong things with theft?
Why even bring theft into it, if it's just a stepping stone to those points?
Theft is usually worse then tax. Tax may be bad, but it's not as bad as most theft as it gives something back, and arguably benefits society. Lumping the two together, as if tax is central to theft is a fallacy as it's not. This is not to defend tax, mind you, but raise the point that simply identifying it as theft isn't an argument. You have to show what's wrong with it.
>>7358380
It depends a lot on use. It can just be statement of fact, but people try to derive arguments from "Martin Luther King is a criminal" as was shown in the original article.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:23
No.7358559

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:23 No.7358559

>>7358525
The links got mixed up.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:25
No.7358600

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:25 No.7358600

Replies: >>7359038 >>7359051

>>7358349
>Theft, on the other hand, can be considered objectively and unconditionally wrong according to a large number of moral systems.

Breaking the law (and defying authority in general) has been considered inherently wrong for most of human history. But I'm guessing libertarians don't find that as agreeable?

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:28
No.7358668

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:28 No.7358668

Replies: >>7359058

>>7356516
They're paying two different types of taxes, not paying the "same" taxes twice.

For that matter, not all states have taxes on things like food, which is a cash cow. You pay wholesale, that's it - the rest is working out how to keep the lights on and people staffed.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:30
No.7358720

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:30 No.7358720

Replies: >>7358822 >>7358842

>>7358548
Theft gives you back too. That money you got stolen or that tv is going to estimulate the economy!
Remember kids! taxes are good for you! But we need to make sure you pay for them if not you go to prison.

Statist tard logic

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:34
No.7358822

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:34 No.7358822

>>7358720
I just said I wasn't trying to defend tax.
You can't just call one thing another, raise no points, and then expect that to be a coherent argument.
Whether or not tax is worse then Hitler doesn't address the fact that it's not the central case of theft, and does not share the properties of the central case of theft.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:35
No.7358842

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:35 No.7358842

Replies: >>7359126

>>7358720
When people throw around 'statist' I can just imagine how much of a pain in the ass Social Security / Social Net sucking vampire they're going to be at age 60, falling the way of the hippy.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:43
No.7359038

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:43 No.7359038

>>7358600
Of not. Why are you so insistent on believing that having authority is good? Most of the laws that we have on the books are for victimless crimes.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:44
No.7359051

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:44 No.7359051

File: 1353077046312.jpg-(31 KB, 423x288, Khmer Rouge Skulls of Victims.jpg)

>>7358600

Theft, on the other hand, can be considered objectively and unconditionally wrong according to a large number of moral systems.

>Breaking the law has been considered inherently wrong for most of human history. Wars, Genocides and massive crimes against humanity has been recognized as the unique realm of governments or "the state" But I'm guessing statists don't really like talking about that?

No you're right they don't. They mostly attack Libertarians for loving freedom and they try to not mention the great crimes committed by the state.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:44
No.7359058

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:44 No.7359058

>>7358668
>not paying the "same" taxes twice.

1. earn income
2. pay payroll taxes on it
3. put in bank to save
4. IRS taxes bank account during yearly taxes
5. keep saving anyway in spite of being taxed yearly for money already taxed when it was earned
6. die
7. government takes half in estate taxes


Looks like triple-taxing to me. The only way to avoid it is to spend it, for which everything you spend it on will also be taxed.

Anonymous
11/16/12(Fri)09:46
No.7359126

Anonymous 11/16/12(Fri)09:46 No.7359126

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>>7358842
>When people throw around 'statist' I can just imagine how much of a pain in the ass Social Security / Social Net sucking vampire they're going to be at age 60, falling the way of the hippy.

You are so right Che!!

Why don't you simply kick us out of the program!! We don't deserve your benevolence!!!

Simply shut us off from all "benefits" and don't take any more tax money from us. Let us just suffer!!