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they are talking about NDAA on c-span2

you fags are blowing this way out of proportion.

>>687241
No we are NOT! The moment this thing passes they will start rounding up dissidents for the FEMA camps! It won't be used at all to battle terrorism, both foreign and domestic. Because, you know, if the government wanted to establish totalitarian rule, they would codify it statutorily first.

>>687257

every single person speaking has been against it.

it won't pass in the senate.

Besides they made a good point; if the military can shoot you for being a suspected terrorist, whats wrong with jailing them instead?

>>687257

Pretty much. Grab your guns and spread the word as long as you're still allowed to.

OP tell an Eurofag what this is about.

I know about NDAA but I thought some part of your retarded government already passed it. so they're debating it again or what?

>>687293
Believe it passed senate, being debated in house.

>>687293

The bill has passed the House and Senate. They are now debating primarily to get their viewpoints on record and pimp the legislation that will make sure no one can possibly use the NDAA improperly.

Graham is just disgusting

>>687276
It's going to pass. The bill has to pass. The detainee provision is just one small part of a larger defense authorization bill. The Senate can't let funding for our military evaporate.

>>687293

Laws go throught the senate, then the house, then the president can either approve it or veto it.


It has gone through the senate and is now in the house

>>687293

It has to be passed all around.

>>687279

Are you a sand nigger?
Are you a terrorist?
Do you sympathetic with terrorists?

Answer is no? Then stop fucking talking.

So what does the NDAA do? Does this shut down 4chan and only allow you to view Jew-accepted media?

>>687310

>reason
>/pol/

Pick one.

Welp there you have it.
are you happy now you stupid faggots?

Nothing is going to happen, they aren't out to put you in FEMA.

Dumb assses.

Hey idiots: he just explained that you will not be arrested for going to a Tea Party, Move On, or OWS rally. You can only be arrested and detained if you are working with al Qaeda.

Are you working with al Qaeda? No? Then you have nothing to worry about.

Lindsey Graham literally just said
"If we can kill American citizens that we suspect are terrorists then why can't we detain them indefinitely? I mean killing them is pretty indefinite isn't it?"

sure is american badass in here

>>687319

It is INCREDIBLY naive and ignorant to believe that the power outlined in the bill won't be abused to arrest protesters or dissidents.

>>687312

if it's passed wtf are they talking about it for?

amendments to it?

I'm wrong, Graham is for it; everyone else was against it.

>>687300
>>687306

thanks. the speech is ridiculous though. he is trying to justify injustice.

>>687319
Do you like freedom?
Do you want to give up your freedom?
Do you trust your government with your liberty?

Answer is yes? Then start fucking revolting.

"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both. If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both. Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security." - Benjamin Franklin

>>687334

Uh, the bill is pretty clear on that not being possible. Have you read it?

now he's looking at the camera and threatening everybody.

>>687331
I liked the part where he argued in favor of the US internment camps, and compared WWII to the War on Terror.

Fucking Americans.

Thinking people care about deterrents.
It gives people something more to fight against. A sick nation of oppressive cowards.

Filth.

We reject the libertarian idea that if you get to America then it is no longer a war.

The perverse logic is that if you make it to America to attack us, whether you're a citizen or not, you get a free pass. That's crazy.

>>687361

I have, and it's incredibly unclear and self-contradictory.

>>687361

You apparently havent either.

The one thing this bill is is that it is NOT clear in any way or form.

>>687257

So you think that congress and Obama are scheming masterminds who want tens of millions of Americans rounded up and are trying to sneak this under the radar just so they can do that?

NDAA means that the executive arm can assassinate and detain anyone they please as long as they call them a terrorist first.

I do not think Obama is twirling his moustache. I think he is a wicked man, but I don't think he thinks of himself as one, and therefore isn't going to behave like a banana republic strongman.

I think Obama and this congress are the ones who will authorized and codify the tools for the strongman to use in one, two, or three administrations down the line of ever increasing government power. China has officially passed us and become the #1 economy, and as they develop further we're going to start feeling the effects of that, and usher in the America First crowd that will not hesitate to use these powers to end the last pretentious vestige of democracy in our country.

In the end that's a good thing, because a despot is far better than a false democracy. Despots are on the stage of the world for all to see, forever stuck with a come at me bro sign around their neck.


Some of us shall indeed come at them.

I changed my mind on you guys. It's not just your politicians. It's your whole country. This is what you have to offer the world. Damn you. They don't get away with representing you without your consent.

The law only applies to people associated with al Qaeda. It is impossible to apply this law to anyone not associated with al Qaeda. It is clearly and irrefutably false that the law could be used for anything else.

Typical fear mongering propaganda

9/11!! Al-Qaeda!! Terrorism!!

Oh my god, graham is taking full advantage of the fact we declared a piece meal war on terrorism. He has no respect for human life, moderation or common sense.

hurr durr murrica, there goes your "freedoms"... I'm out of this shithole.

Lindsey is making a good case with pretty clear reasoning.

Not sure why you're for terrorism /pol/

>>687394
What if they claim your business is funding Al Queda based on physical evidence? What if they believe Al Queda is funding you?

>>687394
what if you were framed?

>>687375
>>687383


With the Feinstein Amendment 1031(e)? Because that's unambiguous. It says nothing changes about detaining US citizens.

The question, of course, is if you can already detain US citizens as enemies. But that question existed before this bill and was just as murky.

>>687408

I'm trying to decide if I'm going to participate in the revolution or become an expat before the serious shit pops off.

>>687405
The legislation that authorized the war on terror has clear and specific language designating the enemy as al Qaeda. It is impossible to apply that to any other group. There is absolutely no justification for any argument that this could be applied to any other group.

>>687405
War on fat. Oh shit...

>>687413
not sure why you think terrorism is a person or country you can declare war on. oh no wait, you're just a troll.