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Ancient Aztecs > Modern Mexicans
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its only because of europeans that we have modern mexicans so what is your point?
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lol, Mexicans then were murderous assholes, brutally killing off hunderds of-oh wait..
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>>6862438
Aztecs should be thought as equals. They had an advanced society, a calendar more accurate then ANY European civilization at the time, and were the first to utilize roads. Also a kick-ass religion and they invented soccer (or was it the Mayans?)

Pic fucking related.
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Agreed

>Tfw you will never be a Jaguar Warrior, taking slave bitches back to your city like an alpha male
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>>6862441
whites have never brutally murdered anyone oh wait......
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>>6862419 (OP)
Aztecs were monsters who worshipped demons and committed sacrifices daily to appease the appetites of the very demonic "deities" they were worshipping. Just because they knew more maths and calendars than the Europeans doesn't negate their barbaric cruelty.
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>implying primitive
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>>6862519
>>6862519

English invented Soccer [Association Football]

Mayans invented what is essencially a hands-free basketball with a fifteen foot horizontal hoop and a three pound solid rubber ball.

Both were equally grizzly in their own way.

Soccer started off as two teams trying to kick an enemy's severed head or sealed/inflated stomach across a pitch into a goal on the other end.

The mayan sport [I forget the name, sadly] had the losing team sacrificed at the end, not to mention the nasty contusions and broken bones from being nailed by a THREE POUND BALL OF SOLID RUBBER.
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>>6862558
hey man the sun was going to fall out of the sky!!
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>>6862574

A couple of well-laid out cities does not negate their barbaric culture. They sacrificed humans daily in an attempt to appease their "deities" (more like demons).

Mexicans should be thankful the Europeans arrived. Without them, they would still be sacrificing humans today. Heck, they were so barbaric they did this up to the 16th century.
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>>6862558
>implying whites never sacrificed anyone
Celts, Germanics, Romans, et cetera. If the Aztecs/Mayans had a religion that sweeped the area that demoted sacrifice and polytheism, then they wouldn't be thought of like that.
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>>6862601
>traces descent back to vikings
>insults Aztecs for having a "barbaric culture"
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>>6862601
>Europeans
>Arriving anywhere
>Not committing genocide in the name of their undead carpenter
Not even once
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>>6862603
>implying human sacrifice didn't stop with the spread of Christianity.
That stopped with the advent of Christianity. Even though Rome fell after the barbarian attacks, they advanced their culture and laid out the foundation of modern society.

Without Christian influence, there is no doubt whites would still be human-sacrificing barbarians.
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>>6862550

>implying we sacrificed our own population to some rain gods
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Thanks a lot spain for ruining latin America
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>>6862647
>implying this wasn't God's punishment for their degeneracy
There is no excuse for human sacrifice bro. Your argument is basically just Tu Quoque. Just because Europeans curbstomped the Aztec Empire because they were far more advanced doesn't make all the horrid practices of the natives go away. They were so degenerate that they also cannibalized the very humans they were sacrificing.
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I wish us spics still practiced human sacrifice, oh wait the cartel does.
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>>6862664
I still consider almost all religions savage,
Christianity still has sacrifice as its main doctrine whether it is symbolic or not its still reeks of desert shit hole backwardness. I think Jesus is a lie about an affair that got way out of hand
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>>6862704
"Evidence of Germanic practices of human sacrifice predating the Viking Age depend on archaeology and on a few scattered accounts in Greco-Roman ethnography. For example, Tacitus reports Germanic human sacrifice to (what he interprets as) Mercury, and to Isis specifically among the Suebians. Jordanes reports how the Goths sacrificed prisoners of war to Mars, suspending the severed arms of the victims from the branches of trees."
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>>6862719
and thank god for that!
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>>6862732
>by their fruits you shall know them
>Christianity still has sacrifice as its main doctrine
Christianity stopped human sacrifice even if you don't agree with it. It advanced European culture and is now the basis of our modern society. Your edgy atheist delusions won't ever make this go away just because you hate it because it doesn't enable your degenerate lifestyle like the despicable sociopath that you are.
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>that awesome feel when you and your Mayan bros kick the evil spanish out and preserve the continent
>mayan allies forget to assassinate the remaining missionaries, and end up with religious unrest

Dumb AI
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>>6862718
Christianity back then = Islam
They would have killed them now matter what religion they practiced, whether they sacrificed humans or not.
"Christianity is a religion of peace"
"Islam is a religion of peace"
"MY GODS DICK IS BIGGER THAN YOUR GODS DICK"
"I shall kill you now in the name of my peaceful all loving god!"
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>>6862814
>"MY GODS DICK IS BIGGER THAN YOUR GODS DICK"
lost it
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>>6862814
>They would have killed them now matter what religion they practiced, whether they sacrificed humans or not.
>implying the crusades wasn't a defensive war

I guess atheists and anti-christians just refuse to understand history because they are so against Christianity. But it's not surprising since you degenerates are desperate to cling at straws.
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>>6862814
>>6862834
Samefag.
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>>6862898
Actually not. I'm the OP.
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>>6862766
>implying i am an atheist
I still see religion as a way to bullshit taking other peoples land and resources just like the Jews did when this Abrahamic religion bullshit sprung up in the middle east
"this land is now ours"
"no its not!"
"it is so!"
"why?"
"Because god said it was ours!"
"Which one?"
"The one that had that guy ALMOST sacrifice that kid"
"That one sucks!"
"Does not!"
"Does too!"
"I shall kill for this land, and this ok for me to do because GOD told me so!"
"Bring it on cutfag!"
Proceeds to get his ass kicked and wanders the desert for decades
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Sup, Aztecs.
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>>6862766

What?

Human sacrifice was banned in the Roman Republic a century before Christ was born. The conquests of the early Empire stamped it out wherever they could as a barbaric practice.

Early Christianity substituted an obscurantist mystery religion for a rapidly advancing Helleno-Roman science and set Europe back eons. The suppression of paganism meant torching whole libraries and breaking up schools of thought that were developing into a working physics, chemistry, and even industry. The Arabs, with access to no more than the tatters of the old philosophy that survived in the east, brought the Near East to the brink of an industrial revolution. Europe didn't catch up until the 16th century when it started to dechristianize in the hands of Renaissance skepticism.

You really need to learn some history Anon.
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>>6862997
Hello dark ages!
>mfw when we would be exploring space now
fucking christians man
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>killing people in war.
civilized, clean, proper.
>capturing people in war so you can sacrifice them
disgusting, brutal, primitive.

they should thank us for freeing them from their deplorable, barbaric lives by killing them all.
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>>6863046
didnt the aztecs kill people in battle?
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>>6862718
>They were so degenerate that they also cannibalized the very humans they were sacrificing.

Anon, in the 16th century, Europe suffered from systematic famines every few years. Vast numbers would starve, dying in horrible pain, watching their children cry and die off before them. Most people in Europe experienced crop failure and mass hunger at least once in their lives. This state of affairs continued, more or less unchanged, until the French Revolution. Terrible wars ravaged the continent every two or three decades, with the worst of them - the 30 years war - killing two-thirds of the civilian population through mass atrocities. Disease outbreaks were a regular occurrence from the 13th century until the 19h, the worst of them killing 80% of the population in affected areas in horrible outbursts of suffering and misery.

The Aztecs brought in a regular crop, due to a sustainable, advanced agriculture and food processing technology far beyond any available in Europe. Famines and mass hunger were so rare they didn't have a word for it. Mass disease played no role in their lives until the Spanish brought them smallpox in 1521. Wars were fought with almost no civilian casualties, as rituals, almost games, with the defeated enemy's soldiers entering combat knowing they would be sacrificed and possibly eaten if they lost, and in some documented cases, demanding that they be ritually murdered when offered mercy by their enemies because to accept life after defeat was a great dishonor. Civilians were left unmolested, in their homes, allowed to honor their dead.

Which sounds better to you?
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>>6862885
>Crusades
>defensive war
>Constantinople attacked by Seljuk Turks
>"hey, let's go conquer the Holy Land for some reason"
>"oh hey, let's just ransack the city we're supposed to be protecting from the Muslims anyway"
>"Novgorod's style of Christianity is not the sort we will tolerate"
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aztec guro ritual:
>bring 14 year old virgin girl to temple
>gang rape her
>cut her open
>cut out organs, eat & burn some
>onlookers should be masturbating the entire time

pic is of Xochipilli, the patron god of butt fucking little boys. seriously, i am not making this up.
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>>6863159
>implying there was only one crusade
>implying the pope did not denounce the attack against fellow Christians
>implying the pope didn't excommunicate anyone who participated in the crusade
>singles out one single crusade which was a stain on the Roman Catholic Church to make the whole of Christianity look bad

Do you even into history? Getting desperate there buddy. Must be tough when some religion doesn't enable an atheist's degenerate lifestyle.
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>>6863165
>Implying most whites do not do this alone in their basements.
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>>6863165
Hey see we are not so different after all!
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>>6863141
>thinks advanced agricultural practices justify murdering humans and eating them in sacrifices

Atheists and degenerates in a nutshell.
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>>6863159
Did you never pay attention in history class?
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>>6863141
See >>6863165

You'd be an idiot if you think stuff like this excuses the atrocities committed by the aztecs.
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Thank the ancient aliens.
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>>6863200
here is a better one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Crusade
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>>6863165
it was an honor if your son was selected to be a prostitute at the temple.
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>>6863228

>thinks human sacrifice justifies a violent, brutal, pig-ignorant foreign society that was too primitive to successfully feed themselves committing genocide

Narrow minded God-botherers in a nutshell.
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>>6863165
No wonder anything american south of US is a complete pisshole
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>>6863236
>excuses the atrocities

Who said anything about excusing anyone? I just don't see that human sacrifice excuses Europeans from the charge of genocide, especially when Europe was a place where things worse than human sacrifice happened all the time.
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>>6863277
>Implying the U.S is not a pisshole with the niggers and spics moving in.
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>>6863277
>American south
>not a pisshole
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>>6863248
>Children in their zeal go to the holy land
>OH NOES DEM CHRISTIANS MUST BE EVIL!
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>>6863248

GOD WILLS IT
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>>6863269
>aztecs mutilate humans and eat them
>gang rape 14 year old boys and girls
>mutilate them also
>those watching must masturbate
>somehow, European Christians are more evil because Aztecs have advanced agricultural practices

You're not really doing yourself any favors when you defend degenerates, especially if you claim the moral high ground for your atheism which pretty much is an oxymoron in the first place.
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>Tfw you will never visit Tenochtitlan, the temples, the causeways, the plazas ;_;

Thanks a lot Spanish assholes
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>>6863346
Is there even a source for this gang raping boys and girls and watching them while masturbating? I mean a legit source
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>>6863165
"Xochipilli was also the patron of both homosexuals and male prostitutes, a role possibly resulting from his being absorbed from the Toltec civilisation"
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>>6863358
Aztecs made their cities in mincraft and used them as blueprints
Imokwiththis.jpg
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>>6863301
>>6863312
>Implying the South is a part of America

Anything south of virginia-nevada is complete shit and shouldn't count
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The Aztecs where weak and were defeated in battle even before plagues fucked with them. They also had really shitty metallurgy, didn't us wheels for transport, didn't have crop rotation, didn't have the heavy plow or draft animals, you are just nostalgically elevating them.
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>>6863377
>Toltecs confirmed for Ultra-Homo
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>>6863346

0/10.

A real Euro-Christian apologist would deny that his conquering ancestors were violent scum lacking the competence to provide themselves with food security. I see through your insistence on rectitude through repitition and failure to respond to contrary arguments. It's the kind of faggy non-argument only people who know better make.

I bet you're some Cal-Mex grad student in sociology trolling the /pol/esuckers.
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>>6863412
shh shh let them vent their inferiority complex
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>>6863398
People like them and the Maya, because they're the only culture that central America has ever had. Now they're gone and that region is worthless.
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>>6863398

>defeated in battle even before plagues fucked

The Aztecs had no contact with Spain before the 1521 smallpox plague that started in Panama, far from the Aztecs.

>really shitty metallurgy

Advanced gold and copper extraction technologies, combined with a better knowledge of alloying methods than Europe had.

>wheels for transport

True. No one in the Americas did, and no one knows why. But it still makes no difference.

>didn't have crop rotation

Didn't need it. They used multicropping and green fertilizers to replace minerals so they didn't have to.

>didn't have the heavy plow or draft animals

Didn't need to. Crop areas were carefully engineered to not require turning over. There is convincing evidence that the labor productivity of Aztec agriculture was higher than in Europe at the time.

>you are just nostalgically elevating them

No. Life under the Aztecs sucked ass. But life in Europe sucked ass too at that time. If you want to make comparisons, that's the one to make.
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>>6862419 (OP)
>Ancient Aztecs > Modern Mexicans

>Warrior race
>Beheaded people and took their heart out
>Figured out Gregorian calendar instinctively
>Walked up the Sun pyramid like shit was nothing just to pray
>Would carry people UP the steps of that same Sun Pyramid to sacrifice them at the top
>The people could fight back (and were encouraged to do so)
>Historically had no record of viral diseases
>Played soccer with a ball made out of rock was set on fire
>The "court" was twenty feet up the air
>It was actually just a ring not much bigger than the piece of rock itself
>Their king had a hand-made spring water sauna
>It over-looked his city
>He always had bitches in there
>He'd sing free-style poetry to them
>He'd fight alongside his army and was a top warrior
>There was no jail needed
>If anyone upset you or was unfair to you, you could kill them
>Currency was cocoa beans
>Showered daily

>Better than modern Mexicans
>Descendants of slaves
>Not even like nigger slaves, who were bred down to be stronger
>Just beat down slaves
>Who were conquered and raped by sickly Spaniard criminals
>And used for forced labor for centuries
>Who now have a shitty education system
>Who have a ridiculous amount of corruption in their government
>All government officials are corrupt
>Going to the police to report a crime is generally seen as a waste of time
>Have water shortage

Yeah, no shit they were better OP.
Anything else you'd like to clarify, Captain Obvious?
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>>6863141
>he Aztecs brought in a regular crop, due to a sustainable, advanced agriculture and food processing technology far beyond any available in Europe.
Yeah no, they had famines like every other fucking civilization because most famines had nothing to do with "sustainable" agriculture but with pests spoiling crops as they grew or in granaries, drought, and hail battering the crops. Aztec's must have had DDT and weather control technology right?

>Wars were fought with almost no civilian casualties
A flower war is nothing but civilian casualties, you go raid pissant villages for slaves and sacrifices then move in to the depopulated villages. Why do you think the Conquistadors had so many native allies. The Triple Alliance was not well liked in the region.

Because these weaklings sacrificed captives. A proper sacrifice must be made during the din of battle. The Astec warriors were pathetic and undisciplined rather than mercenary automata that killed for coin like the European armies of the data.

The modern professional army is based on the souless mercenary army of Europe, the most effective army structure ever devised. They break less often and win more battles.
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>>6863359

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaying#Examples_of_flayings
>In Aztec mythology, Xipe Totec is the flayed god of death and rebirth. Slaves were flayed annually as sacrifices to him.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mass-Child-Sacrifice-Executed-by-the-Aztecs-039-Predecessors-57263.sh
tml
>"All but one of the children were between 5 to 15 years of age, and they were likely killed as an offering to the Toltec rain god Tlaloc," Gamboa said."

http://ambergriscaye.com/pages/mayan/azteclife.html
>Walking to the public market on any given day you might witness public sacrifices, or have to dodge a rolling head falling from the steps of a temple. Children being carried on litters up to the mountains for sacrifice. Warriors and priests wearing the rotting skins of their victims was another common public sight.

Maybe you should study more rather than being HURR DURR CHRISTIANS EVIL BCUZ THEY WOPED OUT AZTECS!
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>>6863480
how did the aztecs farm on lakes?
I just want to know because i am too lazy to look it up
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>>6863480
They had wheeled toys. Some figure they had no strong animal to do the pushing like oxen. The mountainous areas would also destroy wheels. Reason there are pack mules.
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>>6863509
They made floating dirt things with straw or something
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>>6863509
They basically weaved floating gardens and would farm directly on them.
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>>6863503
>no source for rape
Still, Whites also sacrificed children.
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>>6863412
>A real Euro-Christian apologist would deny that his conquering ancestors were violent scum

>implying I'm European
>implying I'm even American
>implying I'm not an Asian who sees things for what it is

lel gotta love libtards assuming things.

No, I do not deny the conquistadores were violent but you'd be pretty retarded if you think the Aztecs weren't degenerates whom God probably punished because of their evil ways. The fact that you atheists defend degeneracy speaks a lot for your degeneracy.

>inb4 hurr durr Christians approve genocide
>inb4 butthurt liberals who are raging because they are degenerates
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>>6863503
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I wonder who would win between Vikings and Aztec warriors?
I guess it would depend on the weather. Anyone here's seen Apocalypto? Those niggers run through a thick jungle like joggers at the park.
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>>6863480

>The Aztecs had no contact with Spain before the 1521 smallpox plague that started in Panama, far from the Aztecs.
A blatant lie, they got invited to a city before the plague hit it in full 4 months later.

>Advanced gold and copper extraction technologies, combined with a better knowledge of alloying methods than Europe had.
LOL. They had good ore, hence why the Spanish mined so much of it. Also they just beat things into shape without forging. Those soft metals are useless for armor or weapon smithing.


>True. No one in the Americas did, and no one knows why. But it still makes no difference.
They had wheels in their stone astronomical clocks, but not the wit to put one on an axle.

>Didn't need it. They used multicropping and green fertilizers to replace minerals so they didn't have to.
No it doesn't shithead I'm a geologist and I took pedogenic courses that is hippy bullshit.

>Didn't need to. Crop areas were carefully engineered to not require turning over. There is convincing evidence that the labor productivity of Aztec agriculture was higher than in Europe at the time.
I have never seen it.

I value strength alone, the Astecs where weak as was everyone else. Europe had become more advanced in all the arts of war because they were exposed to more strife. Strife breeds strength. I wouldn't want to live in a society where it was absent.
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liberal atheist here, the Conquistadors were monsters but holy shit did the Aztecs ever deserve to be crushed by them.
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If Aztec civilization were any good then why 2 million of them were defeat by 500 spaniards?
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>>6863541
>implying any book delving into Meso-American culture won't study this in depth more clearly.

Oh look, tu quoque again. And even if I was wrong about the rape part, that doesn't negate the other twisted things they have done. You liberals are so out of touch with reality that you you defend human sacrifice, child sacrifice, flaying and cannibalism just because the conquistadores were Christian. You libturds are a waste of space and the worst of all human beings. Defending degeneracy speaks a lot of your degeneracy.

Aztecs and atheists confirmed for degenerates.
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>You will never behead a Conquistador with a macuahuitl ;_;
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>>6863580
>If Aztec civilization were any good then why 2 million of them were defeat by 500 spaniards?

Their neighbors all hated them so goddamn much, that's why.
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>>6863580
Guns and syphilis.
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>>6863584
Tall tales. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf9JlxSgCT0
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>>6863312
Странно, почему-то я отображаюсь как Europoor, а не коммунист
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>>6863589
Those guns sucked, if 2000 aztecs had the balls and discipline to charge the 500 spaniards the aztecs would won even with those shitty weapons they had.
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>>6863550
>has no answer for the atrocities done by the Aztecs so posts JIDF

Classy. Keep it up atheists, show them how mentally insane you are for defending flaying, human sacrifice, child sacrifice, mutilation and cannibalism.
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>>6863613
It's true lol. The Aztecs were little bitches when it came to war. War was too much of a game. Total war which Europe had for so many years with the other cultures there gave them the edge. Plus the diseases for letting the Euros walk around.
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>>6863589
Syphilis was a disease native to the Americas. Guns though were a big factor. Retarded barbs with stone weapons could do little to a pike and shot square.
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>>6863581
This. The edgy teenagers are somehow eerily silent.
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>>6863628
Those guns took over a minute to reload, 2 million aztects with balls and discipline could have easly deafeted those 500 spaniards. The reality is that Aztects were pussies.
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>>6863607
using a club like as sword...
>quick use the sword to parry dont block with your shield
also lolled at random Mexican guy
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>>6863613
You forget they still had pikes, halberds, and swords was well a breast plates that were immune to stone headed weapons and sling stones. And they had steel helms. Charging a pike square is suicide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_(weapon)
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>>6863580
They were murderous assholes.
Before the Aztecs settled in Tenochtitlan, there was another tribe and they told the king of that tribe that if he were to forsake his only daughter, she'd be venerated by them as a queen/goddess.
The king agreed and the day of the ceremony, they skinned her alive in front of the main temple and the Aztec high priest wore her skin as a "holy attire", and then proceeded to kill off the king and the remaining members of the tribe.
>Aztec's face when
The second conquerors infiltrated their city and attacked of their main council, word got around that there was a coup d'État on these assholes and basically every nearby tribe rounded up to gang-rape them.
Their mistake, because this only enabled every conqueror from then on to basically fuck the race into oblivion.
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>>6863644
But it also shows that being accepting of others is not good. Basically, they exploited divisions within the Aztec and Incan empires, along with manipulating the influence of nearby native states. Then they just backstabbed them all. Something white people are good at.
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>>6863644
The conquistadores didn't use guns alone though. They also had armor and swords the Aztecs couldn't match with their weaponry.
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>>6863615
>see every culture be murdering dicks because that is the only way to survive
>think religion makes people murdering dicks
>antireligious states also turn out to be murdering dicks
>still think it is religion causing the problem rather than humans being humans
Atheist logic.
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>>6863613
>>6863644
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Noche_Triste
>Implying
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>>6863603
Holy shit. Those things would take a head clean off.
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>>6863692
why?
>muh religion
why
>because we can..
>well hey at least we are honest
Humans confirmed for murderous dicks
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>>6863679
A city of 2 million people deafeted by 500 spaniards means those 2 millions sucked. A true civilization would have no problem making it's citizens charge even if it mean certain death, and if 50.000 strong aztec males had the discipline to charge they would definitely win, sqaure pike can't defend from all sides and can't defend against big numbers, the pikes are hard to extract from a body after you kill so they can't kill again that fast, and you need a lot of space to manuver the pikes.
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>>6863629
No we like culture so we don't like seeing it destroyed. Doesn't matter if the destroyer are catholic conquistadors or atheist chinese. The destruction of precious human culture is abhorrent because culture cannot be replaced once destroyed.
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>>6863740
... Well, yeah. Surprise.
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>>6863740
>well hey at least we are honest
>implying honesty excuses murder
>implying atheists weren't singlehandedly manhandled by Christians in this thread, inspired by the wisdom of God.

No, atheists simply are just now doing damage control.
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>>6863676
>Mexicans 30% native even after plagues the Spaniards didn't plan in the first place
>stabbed in the back

You're one of those fags that think the US stabbed all the Indians in the back right? Well as a Briton let me tell you they didn't. Back when they were still British we were allied with the Iroquois which as an Indian empire against the French and Algonquins which was an empire the Iroquois had genocided and drove west of the Mississippi. The Iroquois had a civil war during the Revolutionary War. Half sided with the Americans and interbred with them the other half was exiled west. This continued beyond that point, you joined or you got exiled.

Everybody stabs everybody in the back, it's nothing personal.
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I would not mind it so much if people did not hide behind religion all the time. Look at the insect world, similar ants always fk each other over just because. Is it religion? Nope. Territory and because you are not from where I came from and I want every resource for myself. That is human nature. Right now it cannot be seen. But look at people going nuts for gas in New York. Now take away food, electricity, gas and water. Then see how humanity will be at each others throats for resources with the weak getting pushed aside.
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Was hard ridding these treasonous spanish-supporting natives
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>>6863753
>The destruction of precious human culture is abhorrent because culture cannot be replaced once destroyed.
>implying the culture of systematic murder, mutilation, and human sacrifices is worth keeping

Keep it up atheists and libturds. Show people how much of a waste of space degenerates you really are.
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>>6863501
I've read the accounts of Spanish conquistadors. In fact I read a bit of Garcilaso de la Vega, El Inca's work. One native who got a hold of a European Axe took down three armored Spanish soldiers before being struck clean in half by one particular Spanish badass. The native said to him "Peace be with you" before he fell apart and died.

Yeah, Europe had its extraordinary men like that guy but most of the conquistadores were useless little shits trying to make a quick buck. What better way to further the family name than to conquer another land, plunder it's riches and bring them back home to the family?
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>>6863359
You won't find much on the interbutts, but there are books.

"City of Sacrifice: The Aztec Empire and the Role of Violence in Civilization"

"Aztec homosexuality: the textual evidence"

"The Florentine Codex". which contains accounts of ritual rape, cannibalism, sodomy, & eating human shit.

Hernán Cortés himself wrote that aztec sodomy involving young boys was common.

pic is of Tlazolteotl, the patron god of shit eating.
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>>6863766
>honesty doesn't excuse murder
>Muh God
Sheet I think we should give a full pardon to the Taliban, their actions where inspired by "GODS WISDOM" , hell they even shout "GOD IS GREAT" at every mundane action they do, so I guess all their actions are part of "GODS WISDOM"
>I killed my children!!!
Why?
>God told me so
I respect your decision brought on to you by GODS WISDOM
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>>6863808
>One native who got a hold of a European Axe took down three armored Spanish soldiers before being struck clean in half by one particular Spanish badass. The native said to him "Peace be with you" before he fell apart and died.

Holy shit thats awesome but sounds a bit implausible. How can you speak if cut in half?
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>>6863824
I still dont know if these accounts are correct or if the conquistadors were making up a bunch of fantastical shit to justify their actions
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>>6863787
What game is that from? Mexico: Total War?
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>>6863787
Total war game FTW!!I always loved killing the natives....Never once have i took any prisoners.Still play Medieval 2 kingdoms.
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>>6863848
liveleak had a video of a man cut in half that was alive & talking
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>>6863740
Yeah everyone has always known that. Literally every single religion and philosophy other than secular humanism understands this fundamental verifiable truth. And yet the holds of the ancient ways are the ones that get called deluded.

"Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind."
- God (According to the Bible) in Genesis 9:6 (NIV)
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>>6863827
>Muslims murder people
>OH LOOK THEY ALSO BELIEVE IN A GOD. CHRISTIANS MUST BE THE SAME!

EL OH EL!

This must be how you reason when you are losing
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>>6863848
if only your intestines are severed and not your lungs/diaphragm, you may be able to speak for a short amount of time before you bleed to death
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>>6863848
Maybe I'm remembering wrong and he said it right before he was struck in two. Like instead of begging for mercy he said that. Just look it up and read it if you're interested.
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>>6863868
Medieval Total War 2 with the Kingdoms expansion

It has a crusades, americas, teutonic and britannia campaign
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>>6863824
At least they didn't sacrafice cats like christians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_burning
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>>6863728
Not really, remember the stone would shatter against the bone. That cut in to a big chunk of meat but it wouldn't cut a head of. It's hard to cut a head of with a sword or anything but the heaviest axe or halberd. The axe crushes its way through buy shear mass.
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spoilers: hindus have ritual rape, and they still practice it today.
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>>6863882
>Genesis
>Everyone originated came from two people
Shit no wonder earth is full of retards
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>>6863827
>atheists defend child sacrifice, mutilation, cannibalism and flaying
>gets called out on it
>embarrassed that they are degenerates
>Somehow thinks citing Muslims affects Christians

Atheists confirmed for not only being degenerates but also stupid.

>"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good." --Psalm 14:1

How's it feel being a fool atheist?
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>>6863808
Most likely a tall tale or he got lucky with Spanish that were not wearing their breastplates of jack of mail armor. Assuming he didn't turn on them and get them by surprise which is more likley.
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>yfw this thread was started by a dirty mexican that probably has a picture of an aztec warrior painted on his truck.
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>>6863972
Better than a christfag mexican, at least he's trying to have some culture
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>>6863936
Yes they totally originated from two people, it's completely not a parable about the human condition and was stated be such even by the ancients.

Also when Cain kills Abel and is exiled to the land of Nod, there are already people living there. Even within the narrative Adam and Eve where just the first created not the only ones created.

So even if you wanted to hold the parable has having no value you're still not getting the story right.
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>>6864020
Who cares about your inbred Kike mythology
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>>6863889
Christians aren't the same
Christians are pussified muslims
But they still pull some shit from time to time
>Also in the internet no one wins
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>>6863854
We'll just have to take their word for it since whatever the natives wrote doesn't seem to have survived as far as I know.
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>>6864078
Actually I heard monks burned them because they thought the hieroglyphs were satanic
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>>6864017
>200AD Roman technologically stagnant for 400 years to the point that barbs surrounding them had invented plows while they used hoes, and had steel while they used shitty iron and even bronze
>300AD Roman philosophy gets aggrandized by the Catholic Church
>400AD the divide states of Europe are far more technologically advanced than Rome every was they just don't have money to build useless monuments and instead focus on war, fortifications, mechanical engineering, astronomy
>1492 Europe is the most advanced culture the world has ever seen
>1880 Europe has conquered most of the world
>1907 A series of wars begins the ruination of Europe
>1977 "Wah it's all Christianities fault we should abandon it!"
>2012 Europe inundated by other cultures and bending over backwards

Yeah Christianity totally fucked them over didn't it. Not saying it was the reason for their success but it was a factor.
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>>6864115
This is completely historically inaccurate. Where are you getting this from?
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>>6864078
their artwork survived...
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>>6864114
>Actually I heard monks burned them because they thought the hieroglyphs were satanic

>Christians
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>>6864115
Skips 1000 years of darkness
Yeah ok pal
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>>6864114
Wouldn't be surprised.
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>>6864043
I don't care for what the Jews have become either buddy. But they were not always like that. They used to be more direct and properly warlike instead of sniveling manipulators.

Also nice use of Critical Theory, criticism has value in of itself even if that criticism is based on a demonstrably false premise.

You know who came up with critical theory? Modern Jews in the Frankfurt school. Dead serious. You don't even have to have a boner for Christianity or anything. Just understand that the anti-Christian anti-European position is a bunch of critical theory bullshit that is critical of success and lauds failure and weakness.
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>>6864140
Liberty University Presents: A Christian History of Europe (Rev. Jethro Hicks)
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>>6864150
You do realize that human flesh tastes like pork, right?
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>>6864077
We slaughter people. We just don't kill randomly. We destroy those directly in our path. The issue with the Muslims is not that they kill, its that they are sloppy.
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>>6864150
Holy shit the Grinch is making them eat people!
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i'm always a bit confused by the claim that the south americans didn't invent wheels. what the fuck are you going to do with a wheel when you don't even have any pack animals to drag your carts? push a wheelbarrow straight through the jungle by yourself? Lol.
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>>6864114
Misnomer. They burned many because they wanted to destroy the language so people could not use it as an unbreakable code to form resistance movements with. They actually gave the language a little too much credit, it was pretty shitty language that was hard as fuck to use.

Though when certain codexes were translated and gave rights for human sacrifice to gods they probably thought those ones were Satanic or Molochic.
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>>6864181
Please tell me people don't actually believe this
;_;
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>>6864156
There weren't actual dark ages dumbass. And the armies of say 800AD were far more powerful than the Roman Legions. Mostly because the legions kinda sucked, their advantage was logistics and reinforcement.

The funny thing is that metallurgy, fortifications, siegecraft, mechanisms were actually way more advanced by 500AD than they'd been before the fall of the Western Roman Empire in 300AD or any time prior. The Romans didn't even use bows except for mercenaries or have steel, they bought steel from Spanish Barbarians, most of their swords were iron as was their articulated armor. The reason for Rome's success was their building practices, and their understanding of logistics and finance. And the astronomical clocks they had were built by a bunch of Egyptian cultists. And the astronomical clocks they had like the antikythera mechanism were built by a bunch of Egyptian cultists.

And nothing was actually lost when the western empire fell, they didn't forget how to build stuff they just didn't have the money or the incentive to do so. And labor had dried up since slaves were no longer being brought to the former Roman provinces. And what is really hilarious to me is when people use Northern European art from the middle ages, made by people with no formal training and no historic exposure to Greco-Roman art as a way to prove that artistic knowledge was lost. Northern Europe never had that knowledge and Byzantium and Italy were making that same art throughout the middle ages.
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>>6864115
the romans had the steam engine, basic calculus, electricity & chemistry.

euros lost everything until they invaded the middle east and re-learned the lost knowledge. this is why we use ARABIC numerals & AL-JEBRA.

pic is a USSR stamp of Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, the creator of al-gorithms.
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>>6864151
>Book advocating human sacrifice.
Monk thinks it is evil and wishes to obliterate the culture of human sacrifice, burns book.

>Book by Muslim astronomer 400 years eariler captured by Monk of the same order during war
Kept as cherished relic.

Notice the difference.

That's why we know so much about Aztec prophecy, finance, farming, and political structure. Those codexes were preserved. The religious ones where mostly destroyed or discarded.
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>>6864230
Welcome to murrika
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Hey guys it's op and I--
HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHAT THE FUCKING COCK ASS NIGGER CUNT HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD
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>>6864292
Thank you based Muhammad
It all makes sense now
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>>6864323
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>>6864323
Some redneck christfag keeps shitposting off topic
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The Aztecs were only one tribe. People in this thread are crediting them for all their achievements, which they stole and assimilated from other Mesoamerican cultures. It's a nonsense to accredit the Aztecs for the calendar, which was appropriated from the Maya, and then say they were barbarians for human sacrifice. Almost all of their cultural and technological advances came from prior tribes. It's worth remembering that the Aztecs had only existed since the early 14th century. They were considered savage and brutal by all other tribes, including those in the Triple Alliance. They, as a tribe, insisted on human sacrifice, whereas more "civilised" groups with a longer history, such as Texcoco, deplored it.
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>>6863676
>Basically, they exploited divisions within the Aztec and Incan empires, along with manipulating the influence of nearby native states.
>implying they didn't deserve it with all the degeneracy and madness happening around them.

Face it, the Spaniards were far tamer than the Aztecs you despise.
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>>6864344
Yes hello what is this
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>>6864349
>Tamer
>Destroyed all the culture in Central/South America

No. Tamer in practice maybe, but not tame in the overall consequences. Now there's no more culture in Latin/South America thanks to the Spanish ruining it.
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>>6863744
And you think the Spaniards would just sit in the middle of the field allowing themselves to be sitting ducks? Do you even grasp what military tactics mean?
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>>6864181
>Electricity is a mystery
Well, shit.
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>>6864292
>steam engine
A ball with a hole in it that could spin because steam was shot out the hole. The Egyptians in 9000 BC had the same thing.

The Romans also had a totally useless steam cannon that took 30 minutes to fire and wasn't as strong as torque powered seige machines. Real practical right?

>euros lost everything until they invaded the middle east
No they didn't. Why do you think the Crusanders came in with mail mad of fine steel rings that would have been impossible for Romans to make? The Romans had mail but it was very coarse iron ring shit.

>basic calculus
Only if you extend calculus to geometic counting which means that everyone had fucking Calculus

>chemistry
No not even close Chemistry was not even started until Galileo

>electricity
You fucking retard. Catode Anode batteries have existed since 1300BC the Jew and Egyptians both had them and Babylon likely did was well.


The Romans elevation is a nostalgia trip on the part of the Catholic Church and later the Enlightenment. And you are perpetuating this misconception.
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>>6864349
the problem is moral relativism which is an extreme form of political correctness. it's basically that ALL cultures are equal no matter what they do. and because of that, you have no right to stop them from cannibalism & baby rape.
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If only Columbus waited longer but oh well. Its hard to imagine what they could have been since they got diseasified and converted.

I think having any kind of organized sport like they did was a good sign.
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>>6864346
This, jesus

The fall of the Aztec regime was good. Everything else the Spanish did was bad.
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>>6864151
>codixes for on how to sacrifice humans, flaying them and eating them.
>justify by keeping it around

Just admit it. You will GLADLY preserve such a corrupt culture simply because you're anti-Christian. Are all liberals and atheists really like you?
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>>6864349
Nah they deserved it for not working together. I mean look at South America today. Still split as fuck. Oh wells modern life is better in the U.S so I give no fucks.
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>>6864391
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel
>India
I did not know this
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>>6864400
Hnnng, imagining a modern day Tenochtitlan with modern advancements gives me an architecture boner. Mesoamerican-modern fusion architecture looks so cool
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>>6864077
>But they still pull some shit from time to time
And that somehow justifies Aztecs eating humans, flaying them and mutilating children after sodomizing them, yes?
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>>6864452
I personally think it would look something like that scene from Blade Runner.
You know?
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>>6864455
>>6864414
Religion is poison to the mind
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To put it another way, the Aztecs arrived in the 14th century as a bunch of savages in the eyes of everyone around them. They established a base in the toughest conditions, and then went about marrying their way into culture. They were essentially the thuggish mobsters who pretend to be upper-class and cultured simply because they've married somebody with a history, stolen all the fine art, and murdered anyone who questioned them.

That's also not to say that what they achieved in Tenochtitlan, in merely 200 years, isn't impressive. I'm simply saying that it's not fair to say all Mesoamerican cultures practised human sacrifice, the Aztecs were a brutal exception.

Refs: The Aztecs - Nigel Davies
The Aztecs - Smith.
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>>6864253
You're wrong, for the most part. The Early Middle Ages represent a low point of civilization after the Classical Age. The Romans and Greeks were far more advanced, generally speaking, than the Europeans of the Early and High Middle Ages. It wasn't until ~1500 that the Europeans began to match the heights of Classical knowledge and culture, or basically a little more than 1000 years after the fall of the Western Roman Empire.

>>6864292
Actually, it was the Muslim conquest of the southern portions of the Iberian peninsula and the subsequent exchange of manuscripts and translations that brought a lot of the Classical knowledge into the European world. Most of the knowledge that the Europeans got was from trading, and from Muslim conquests of Christian lands, not the other way around.

>>6864391
>steam engine
>9000 BC
Ya dun goofed, buddy.

>The Romans elevation is a nostalgia trip on the part of the Catholic Church and later the Enlightenment. And you are perpetuating this misconception.
Wrong again.

You seem to be focusing overly much on weaponry and armor as signs of advancement. Aqueducts, architecture, social and political structures, etc. were all far more advanced under the Romans and Greeks than they were in Europe (and almost everywhere else for that matter) until around the 15th and 16th centuries. The Islamic Golden Age was fleeting, and ended up with a rejection of foreign culture and ideas, which basically resulted in the stagnation of Islamic culture and advancement.
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>>6864455
No, see
>>6864346

Inhumane practices should be removed through internal reform. not cultural/ethnic genocide. You cant solve one evil with another evil.
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>>6864452
I wish, Mexico city looks like your average European capital
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>>6864452
If only
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>>6864344
>atheist gets owned
>GAIZ CHRISTFAG MUST BE THE ONE WHO RUINS THREAD

Admit it, you are simply degenerate scum who secretly wishes he sodomizes little boys and flay them later.
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>>6864520
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>>6864391
i don't know where you got this idea that the romans didn't know how to make steel.

http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/amat/def_en/articles/steel_greece_rome/steel_in_ancient_greece_an.h
tml

>mail armor
pic is Roman Lorica hamata

>implying the vikings had geometry

The viking elevation is a nostalgia trip on the part of the nazis and later the neo-nazis. And you are perpetuating this misconception.
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>>6864362
>Destroyed all the culture in Central/South America
>implying that culture was worth keeping

You do realize that advanced agriculture is not enough reason to preserve child rape, human sacrifice, cannibalism and the practice of flaying human skin then later wearing them for religious rituals, right?
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>>6864499
>Inhumane practices should be removed through internal reform. not cultural/ethnic genocide. You cant solve one evil with another evil.

What? I didn't realise historical currents needed to be "solved". As I said, the Aztecs hadn't been top dog for very long by the time the Spaniards had arrived, and they'd managed to fuck everybody off in the process because of their brutality. Reform would've come with time, with influence from other tribes that had been there far longer than the formerly nomadic Aztecs.
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>>6864520
im not even the guy

no here wants to flay or eat people, you seem so eager you are practically cumming in your pants
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>>6864488
I should also say that it was in the Late Middle Ages that the Europeans began to match and even in some cases outdo the Romans as far as grand monuments and buildings (e.g. cathedrals) but you have to realize that this was some seven centuries after the Roman Empire had fallen. It took seven hundred years after Rome burned until the Europeans could match Rome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Roman_architecture

And, there is a reason that Classical texts and knowledge was a huge part of the education of the landed aristocracy after the Enlightenment. Rich people wanted their children tutored in Latin and Greek, and reading the philosophers, dramatists, historians, etc. of antiquity (e.g. Plato, Aristotle, etc.) because those works were of a higher quality and more enduring than the works of the Middle Ages and the Renaissance.
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>Aztecs
>Spanish
Yeah, I don't really have a dog in that fight.
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>>6864586
but but muh straw hut with complex geometric patterns
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>>6864544
>Architecture
>Music
>Dress
>Food
>Festivals/Holidays
>Language
>Art

There's more to mesoAmerican culture than what the Aztecs did to scare people. Now all that is gone, the baby with the bathwater etc.
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>>6864395
Liberals and atheists really have no problem with other cultures. They will have a problem with the Christian one however, because they never liked the fact that it is the one which is morally superior. They also have a problem with Christianity since it isn't an enabler of their sick ways.

>OH LOOK GAIZ SPANIARDS BROUGHT WIPED OUT AZTECS! CHRISTIANS MUST BE EVIL!

Yeah, because child rape, human sacrifice and flaying people alive so priest can use their skin for religious rituals is something to aspire to.

Liberals and atheists are simply degenerates.
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>>6864586
>because those works were of a higher quality and more enduring than the works of the Middle Ages and the Renaissance.
But the Renaissance refers to the time when Europeans started to do what you described. How could they determine what would be of more enduring quality when they would never live to see it?
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>>6864395
That's not political correctness, political correctness is when a government forces its own people to adhere to strict sensitivity guidelines
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>>6863644
Not to mention the spanish sided with enemy neighboring tribes, conveniently forgotten due to
>muh aryan race
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>>6864612
>straw huts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_bridges
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>>6864615
Exactly. It's like saying "Slavery is bad, so FUCK ROME, IT DESERVED TO BE SACKED, AND DISREGARD ALL THEIR DISCOVERIES."
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>>6864499
>Inhumane practices should be removed through internal reform
Right guy, that will ever work in an empire which holds all the lives of dissidents. Remember that the Aztec Empire is nowhere near close to the Christian Europe values where righteousness and justice was upheld to the highest standard. You were in freaking South America where if you dissent, you will be flayed alive the most painful way possible.

Stop dreaming libtard. People like you sicken me with your hippy trash.
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>>6864620
Are you implying the spaniards were motivated by holy rage and not gold? Because that is stupid.

Also the reasons you are giving for the dislike of christians are stupid and are jumping all to all kinds of conclusion.
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>>6864564
>im not the guy

Too obvious anon.
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>Late Middle Ages
>not calling it the Byzantine Empire
at that point, the italian romans were ruling europe with the pope & Florentine banking.
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>>6864677
>Christian Europe values where righteousness and justice was upheld to the highest standard
I chuckled a bit there
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>>6864677
>Christian Europe values where righteousness and justice was upheld to the highest standard

Hehe well they did like to say it.
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>>6864677
he is actually serious
AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
oh thank fuck i was actually educated.
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>>6864642
What do you mean? I was talking specifically about people during the Enlightenment, which followed the Renaissance. The Renaissance was in many ways a revival of Classical knowledge and culture. There are plenty of statesmen and famous people from the 18th century who were educated in Greek, Latin and French from a young age, e.g. Thomas Jefferson. Overall though, I would argue that they were impacted more by Classical and Enlightenment philosophies and knowledge than that of the Renaissance.

The Renaissance was in many ways a neoclassical revival period that had a good deal of influence leading up to the Enlightenment, and although there was a lot of original artistic and architectural developments in particular, it doesn't match either the Classical age or the Enlightenment. Of course, this is all clear to us in hindsight. Maybe a few hundred years from now people will see it differently.
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>>6864677
>Christian Europe values where righteousness and justice was upheld to the highest standard.

Cortez sinking his ships, forcing his soldiers who were supposed to only be on an exploratory expedition, to stay and fight for his glory. Funnily enough, while there was a warrant for his arrest for a boat he had stolen.

Both righteous and just.
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>>6864615
>implying those things discoveries weren't stolen by Aztecs
>implying the Aztec Empire had anything of value to offer other than advanced agriculture and mathematics.
>implying the things you mentioned are worth keeping

Only advanced agriculture was of value to the European. You think art depicting human sacrifice and festivals honoring bloodthirsty gods demanding they eat their own dung is valuable to you? Really? You must be one hell of a liberal to justify trash culture like that.

Oh wait, you are a moral subjectivist, a liberal and an atheist all in one. I am not surprised you are hating on Spaniards simply because they were Christian.
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>>6864655
I like how the Catholics just threw a cross on the front of most of the Roman buildings and monuments, as if to say, "This is ours, we built it."
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>>6864677
When you would get broken on the wheel you could always quickly get absolved, it was very nice of them
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testing
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>>6864765
>hating Spaniards because they were christian
>not hating them because they a dirty rapists
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>>6864814
>*a bunch of dirty rapists
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>>6864700
>inquisitions: 5000 dead
>Aztec yearly human sacrifices: 20000 people a year dead
>atheistic regimes: 100,000,000 dead

Yep, very comparable. Justice sure is the norm among atheists and "MUH AZTEC HERITAGE" anti-Christians.
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>>6864814
>not hating them because they a dirty rapists
>implying /pol/ doesn't like rape

Just because you are an anti christian doesn't mean you have to shift gears just because you are losing badly.
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sorry I forgot
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>>6864814
>hating Spaniards because they were christian
>not hating them because they a dirty rapists

In other news, liberals will allow blacks and muslims to rape white women and call people who cite statistics and facts as "racists" because it doesn't adhere to their multiculture ideology.

Typical libtard hypocrisy.
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The Judas Cradle:

The victim is raised up by the rope or chain and then lowered until the vagina, anus or the coccyx rests on the point. The torturer could vary the pressure by hanging weights from the victim or rocking or raising and dropping the victim from various heights.


The Pope's Pears:

The vaginal pear was used on woman who had sex with the Devil or his familiars. The rectal pear was used on passive male homosexuals and the oral pear was used on heretical preachers or lay persons found guilty of unorthodox practices. Inserted into the mouth, anus or vagina of the victim, the pear was expanded by use of the screw until the insides are ripped, stretched and mutilated, almost always causing death. The pointed ends of the 'leaves' were good for ripping the throat, intestines or cervix open.

Slow Burn

A 16th century device to lift the victim in and out of the fire, roasting him alive slowly instead of burning him all at once.

Crushed. Squeezing heresy out of the foolish

Extreme Makeover

The rack – everybody's favourite. Well, perhaps only of Inquisitors for whom it was the instrument of choice after the pulley had failed. For the helpless victim dislocation of every joint in the body and elongations up to 12" were possible. 'Surgeons' might reset joints to allow the torture to be repeated. Severe lacerations and loss of blood would result from racking even without the additional use of red hot pincers to tear off nipples, tongues, ears, noses, and genitals.
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>>6864499
The reform was internal, it wasn't some five hundred guys versus all of South America, tens of thousands of mesoamericans sided with the spanish to crush the Aztecs.
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>>6863848

Have you never seen Signs??
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n terms of frequency used, the wheel was second only to hanging as the most common form of execution in Germany during the Middle Ages. First, the victim (usually naked) had each of his limbs spread apart and tied to the ground. However, wooden crosspieces were placed under each major joint such as the wrists, ankles, knees, hips and shoulders. The torturer would then smash each limb and joint with the heavy, iron-enhanced wheel. But that was just the beginning of the nightmare. Once the limbs were reduced to gelatinous appendages of mashed bones, blood and flesh, each arm and leg was braided into the spokes of the wheel and then hoisted upright for display. The agonizing victim would remain in this position for days as crows and insects feasted on him or her until death
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>>6864974

The saw may represent human ingenuity’s darkest hour. The idea here is that when the victim is suspended upside down, most of the blood will go to the head. That is an important part of the process, you see, because as the torturers saw into the victim’s crotch, all of the blood in the head will oxygenate the brain so that the victim will not pass out as one normally would under such excruciating pain. Typically, the saw would reach the victim’s navel before unconsciousness would take hold — sometimes as far as the midriff.
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>>6864946
>implying the Spanish inquisition wasn't Jews killing other Jews.
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>>6864700
The inquisition was justified, it was essentially a secret service rooting out dissidents that threatened social cohesion.
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>>6864946
>>6864971
>implying atheists are any better

>"It has been established that the NKVD and RB [sic UB, Urzad Bezpieczenstwa, Polish secret police] torture their prisoners terribly at the Chopin Street [police headquarters] in Lublin, at the Strzelecka Street [facility] in Warsaw, and in Włochy. The most popular methods of extracting confessions include slowly ripping off fingernails, [and] applying “temple screws” [i.e., clamps that crush the victim’s skull], and putting on “American handcuffs.” The last named method causes the skin on one’s hands to burst and the blood to flow from underneath one’s fingernails.

>The torture is applied passionlessly in a premeditated manner. Those who faint are revived with a morphine shot. Before the torture session [ensue] some receive booster shots [Pol. zastrzyki wzmacniające]. The torturers strictly observe the opinion of the supervising interrogating officer whether it is acceptable to allow [those] interrogated to die [….] At the infamous Lublin Castle [prison], because of the injuries inflicted during interrogation, mortality among the political prisoners reaches 20 persons per week."
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once the lengthy spike entered the victim’s posterior and exited their mouth or throat, the victim might live for more than a day in this state and was left to crawl in the dirt for all to watch
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>>6865002
are you that dense?
do athiests have a church? no
the tortures i described were sanctioned by the church, they are your figure head, your government, your representatives, are they representative of atheists?
dont be so incredibly dense.
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Fucking shit
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>>6865002

Burning:
1. of the eye and lip area with a glowing cigarette (Chimczak),
2. of each hand's fingers with a burning torch (Dusza, Kaskiewicz, Chimczak),
3. Crushing each hand's fingers placed between two pencils (Dusza, Kaskiewicz),
4. Crushing each foot's toes (jumping on my feet) - (Dusza, Kaskiewicz, Chimczak),
5. Kicking legs and torso (Dusza, Kaskiewicz and Sgt Stanislaw Wardynski),
6. Kicking shin area in particular (Dusza, Kaskiewicz, Chimczak),
7. Stabbing with pins and nibs, etc. (Dusza, Chimczak),
8. Face and ears pinching with a hand and key (Chimczak),
9. Forcing me to sit on the edge of the stool (Dusza, Chimczak),
10. Forcing me to sit on a bolt hurting my rectum (Dusza),
11. Cuffing my hands with American automatic handcuffs (pol. amerykanka) which was followed by tearing them off my wrists (Dusza with a platoon Sgt Tadeusz Szymanski),
12. Physical exercises - forcing me to do knee bends until I swooned (Dusza),
13. Forcing me to run up and down the stairs for about 20-30 minutes - with the ward supervising at Lt Col Dusza's command),
14. Solitary confinement for indefinite time (also naked) - (Dusza),
15. Sleep deprivation for the period of 7-9 days through waking me (I was standing in a freezing cell) with continuous slaps on my face performed by the guarding officer of the former MBP. The method called Beach or Zakopane pushed me into semi-dementia and resulted in mental health problems - visual and auditory hallucinations - their symptoms resembled the body's condition after taking mescaline or peyote (Dusza with wards),
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>>6865032
>>6865038

>implying I'm Catholic.

Cry some more liberal. This was done in atheistic regimes wanting to destroy religion in adherence to "religion is the opium of the masses." There more:

16. Standing to attention in a prison cell for indefinite time (Dusza with inspecting officers and wards of Mokotow Unit 11 and later (after 11th Nov 1950) Mokotow Block A,
17. Standing to attention in a prison cell and interrogation room with my hands raised above my head for indefinite time (Dusza with inspecting officers and wards of Mokotow Units 10 and 11),
18. I was not allowed to receive parcels from my family (every week my sister would send parcels with food, although - according to the regulations at that time - I was allowed to collect merely 10 - 15 out of 70 parcels. The remaining number on Dusza's orders was not returned to my sister.),
19. Reduction in food rations (during the peak period of my investigation I would be given only 0,5 of coffee, about 350 grams of bread and a litre of thin soup daily). Furthermore, there were times when I would not be allowed to have anything to drink - the torture of thirst on Dusza's orders,
20. Security checks in my cell, at nights when - after waking - I was forced to stand to attention, unclothed and in a freezing draught for up to an hour (the torture was supervised on Dusza's orders by an inspecting officer - called Hiszpan or Gruby - of Unit 10 and wards.),
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>>6865038
>>6865083

21. Removing windows from my cell (October 1949) for 24 hours while I was sleeping under 1 blanket, partly touching the concrete floor (1 pallet shared between 3 prisoners). The torture was supervised by an inspecting officer of Unit 11 with Mazurkiewicz, a ward, all that at Dusza's orders,
22. Pouring buckets of water in to the cell regularly. The torture was supervised by an inspecting officer of Unit 11 and the wards - Mazurkiewicz and Stanislaw Wardeski. All of that on Dusza's orders,
23. Medical help deprivation, although I was ill (urinating blood for 1,5 month). I was suffering at Dusza's orders until dr Kaminska's medical attention (very caring attitude) to all prisoners from Block A.
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>>6865038
>>6865083
>>6865097

24. I was not allowed to have open air [outside] walks and [was] prohibited from leaving the building for the period of 6 years and 3 months on Dusza's orders until 22nd September 1952 when I had my first walk in cell 22 of Mokotow Block A. In addition, I could not have showers for the period of 2 years and 10 months,
25. Moral abuse. Vulgar and elaborate verbal insult aimed at me and my family members. The abusers included Lt Col Dusza, Maj Kaskiewicz, Capt Chimczak and inspecting officers of Mokotow Unit 11 (Mazurkiewicz, Wardynski and others). While in Unit 11 I was continually bullied by the inspecting officers and wards on Dusza's orders,
26. I was deprived of any contact with the family (not a single letter or a piece of news from my mother, wife and sister for the period of 4 years) or the outside world (no newspapers etc.) or books (from 30th Nov 1949 to 6th Nov 1952 I did not read a single printed word). All of those on Dusza's orders,


a) Maj Kaskiewicz who, similarly to other investigating officers, called me a Nazi and wrote the word in bold on my forehead with an acrylic pencil. Furthermore, he would not allow me to wash it off and I was forced to wear it in my cell and during the interrogation,
b) Lt Col Dusza who - in order to humiliate me - ordered to place me in one cell with Nazis (the executioner of the Warsaw Ghetto - SS Gen. J. Stroop among others

Atheists shouldn't be throwing stones when they live in glass houses.
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>>6865083
>implying im athiest.
honestly how thick are you, you attack me instead of my points?
firstly
>the torture methods you are describing arent as horrific as those i decribed
secondly
>how is that representative of athiests when they have no church, like i previously said, the church is representative of christians, all tortures were condoned by the church, parallels cant be drawn.
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The vaginal pear was used on woman who had sex with the Devil or his familiars. The rectal pear was used on passive male homosexuals and the oral pear was used on heretical preachers or lay persons found guilty of unorthodox practices. Inserted into the mouth, anus or vagina of the victim, the pear was expanded by use of the screw until the insides are ripped, stretched and mutilated, almost always causing death. The pointed ends of the 'leaves' were good for ripping the throat, intestines or cervix open.

>THE POPES PEARS
its fucking called the pope
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ron Spider

The iron would usually be heated to red-hot and then used to slowly rip the breasts from the body. It would be used for such crimes as heresy, adultery, self-induced abortions, blasphemy and other "hideous" crimes.
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Slow Burn
This pivoted pole was a 16th century device calculated to lift the victim in and out of the fire, roasting him alive slowly instead of burning him all at once.
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The Holy Trinity

When a sinner had 'blasphemed the holy name of god', or when he had perhaps told some truth about the local priest, it was customary to apply the holy trinity.

The Iron mask was heated in an open fire until red hot, then put upon his head. The scourge, also red hot, was then applied to his back. After the mask had cooled, it was removed from the sinner, taking skin (and usually eyeballs) with it. The prisoner's mouth was then opened and red hot pincers were used to remove the prisoner's tongue.

It is interesting to note that the Holy Trinity was designed not to cause death, so that the maimed, blinded and mute prisoner could live out his days as a burden to his family and as a testimony to what happens when one lets his tongue wag too freely.
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>>6865119
>the torture methods you are describing arent as horrific as those i decribed

>burning eye and lips with a glowing cigarette
>ripping off fingernails
>applying temple screws that crush the victim's skull
>putting on handcuffs that causes the skin of one's hands to burst and the blood to flow from underneath one's fingernails
>those who faint are revived with a morphine shot and the process begins again

>not horrific

LEL!
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White Europeans confirmed for barbarians.
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Breaking on the Wheel

The naked heretic had each limb and joint broken precisely to avoid any fatal blows. He was then 'braided' into the spokes of the wheel and hoisted on to a post. There he was exposed to the elements – or left to be twirled by passers by who wanted to join in the fun.
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Mexico, Brazil and Peru would enjoy the delights of the auto-da-fé long after it lost its charm in Europe. Mexico witnessed its last auto-da-fé as late as 1850.

mmm smells like christianity

Did wonders for the conversion of the natives.
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>mfw both atheists and the catholic church commit gruesome tortures
>mfw the problem is not religion. The problem is White People.
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John XII (955-964).

Born from an incestuous relationship between Pope Sergio III and his 13-year-old daughter Marozie. John, in turn, took his mother as his own mistress.

Pope at 18, he turned the Lateran into a brothel. He was accused by a synod of "sacrilege, simony, perjury, murder, adultery and incest" and was temporarily deposed.

He took his revenge on opponents by hacking off limbs. He was murdered by an enraged husband who caught him having sex with his wife.
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>>6865312
lol
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Reminder what liberals are defending
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1095 - Pope Urban II calls upon the Franks to invade the more civilized Muslim world. Begins five centuries of warfare.
"Let those who have hitherto been robbers now become soldiers."
– Urban II addresses his gangsters.
1009: Rivalry from Islam prompts eastern churches to break with idolatry. This 'iconoclasm' begins breach with idol-worshipping Catholic west. Centuries of bloodshed ensue.
Warrior Monks" - Muslim heads catapulted into the besieged city of Antioch by Christian Knights (Illumination from Les Histoires d'Outremer by William of Tyre 12th century, Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris).
1118: Christian fanatics captured Saragossa; the beginning of the decline of Muslim civilization in Spain.
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>>6865350
i find it hilarious that liberals think all cultures are somehow equal and its impossible to judge them objectively.
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1600 After a seven year trail before the Inquisition, Giordano Bruno, who had the audacity to suggest that space was boundless and that the sun and its planets were not unique, is condemned and burned at the stake.

1633 Galileo is brought before the Inquisition. Under threat of torture and death, he is forced from his knees to renounce all belief in Copernican theories. He is sentenced to life imprisonment. He dies in 1642 and the charges against him stand for another 350 years.
>>6865350
>>6865350

im not a liberal, i just find your ignorance to be highly repulsive.
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>>6865243
You're right. White people are guilty for humanity being generally nasty.
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1300s. Glowing eyes and nocturnal behaviour of the cat interpreted by the Church as clear proof of the hapless moggy's diabolic affinity. Wholesale trapping and burning of cats allowed free rein to the spread of the flee-carrying rat. Subsequently, Europe's population was decimated by the plague.

>I AM NOT A LIBERAL
>I DONT DEFEND THE AZTECS, I DONT CARE, JUST POINTING OUT SOME FACTS.
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sure is samefag in here
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>>6865392
>cites Catholic Church
>thinks all Christianity is the Catholic Church

lol liberals! Cognitive dissonance, how does it work?

You have the audacity to claim Christianity is at fault and yet all this time you confuse the Catholic Church with the whole of Christianity. How you manage through the day claiming intellectual superiority amazes me.
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>>6865390
>stabbed in belly
Clearly not as creative
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serious case of self hating libtard samefagging here. Or butthurt mexishit
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being a rape victim but not crying out loud enough

"If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city." – Deuteronomy 22.23,24.
anyway im finished, bored now.
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>>6862788
>total war

muh niggah
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>>6865443
>"hey, just because the largest and most powerful Christian denomination does something bad, that doesn't mean they represent Christianity!"
>"don't judge all by actions of some"
>proceeds to denigrate all "liberals"

Hypocritical dumbass, or just trolling
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>>6865443
changed my mind, lets continue.

Romans 2:11- For there is no respect of persons with God.

2 Chronicles 19:7- Wherefore now let the fear of the LORD be upon you; take heed and do it: for there is no iniquity with the LORD our God, nor respect of persons, nor taking of gifts.

Acts 10:34- Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Ephesians 6:9- And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

Colossians 3:25- But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

1 Peter 1:17- And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Or does he?

Genesis 4:4 - And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

Exodus 2:25- And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them.

Leviticus 26:9- For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.

2 Kings 13:23- And the LORD was gracious unto them, and had compassion on them, and had respect unto them, because of his covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and would not destroy them, neither cast he them from his presence as yet.

Psalms 138:6- Though the LORD be high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly: but the proud he knoweth afar off.
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>>6865482
>"hey, just because the largest and most powerful Christian denomination does something bad, that doesn't mean they represent Christianity!"
Because it doesn't. That's saying all Americans are evil because their armies bombed Iraq.

>proceeds to denigrate all "liberals"
>implying most liberals don't have cognitive dissonance and blames all the ills of the world through men or Christianity

I bet you're a liberal and live in Europe.
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Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)
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>>6865514
I love that image.
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Whatever you do, don't make graven images

Exodus 20:4- Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Deuteronomy 4:23- Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee.

But let me tell you the proper way to make some graven images.

Exodus 25:18- And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.

Exodus 25:19- And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.

Exodus 25:20- And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
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>>6865482
>"hey, just because the largest and most powerful Christian denomination does something bad, that doesn't mean they represent Christianity!"
>cannot even into logic

>"don't judge all by actions of some"
>proceeds to denigrate all "liberals"
>calls out hypocrisy
>does it anyway and brand all Christians as evil because of conquistadores

lel

Like I said, cognitive dissonance.
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>>6865516
i bet your fat and live in america.
the CHURCH IS:
>REPRESENTATIVE
>FIGURE HEAD
>MAIN AUTHORITY
>THE GOVERNMENT
>THE LEADERS
>THE HOLY MEN
of christianity,and so of course it represents christians because the church represents christians, the church is the figure had for most christians, is the MOST powerfdul denomination of christianity.
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>>6865606
the CHURCH IS:
>REPRESENTATIVE
>FIGURE HEAD
>MAIN AUTHORITY
>THE GOVERNMENT
>THE LEADERS
>THE HOLY MEN

I could claim the same thing Europoor:
My brand of Islam is:
>REPRESENTATIVE
>FIGURE HEAD
>MAIN AUTHORITY
>THE GOVERNMENT
>THE LEADERS
>THE HOLY MEN

Then you would proceed to bash the wahhabi sect then claim that you have made a victory against Islam. You're not too bright, are you atheist?
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Isaiah 40:28- Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the Lord, the creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? There is no searching of his understanding.

Exodus 31:17- It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
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>>6865606
>the church is the figure had for most christians
There are many sects in Christianity. You must not be very updated with the times.
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>>6865641
well actually islam dosent have a church, or a pope, or a priest (imams and priests dont have similar.."power" imams have much less.
also im thiest and not a liberal, for the 4th time.
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>>6865649
>being christian
>criticizing anyone for being behind the times
ISHYGDDT

>>NO CONDOMS
>NO BIRTH CONTROL
>NO FAGS (BUT WE CAN STILL FUCK KIDS)


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