>>666529
>unemployment is a price worth paying
for what?

>>666531
For George Osborne and the tories

>>666531
For everyone who isn't unemployed silly.

We all knew it was going to be difficult times.

Keep calm and carry on.

>>666550
By why should the youth have to pay for it

that 1million out of work, and another 1million + in education

But you don't see all those private schooled Oxford kids out of work, oh no they walk right into a bank no matter what degree

>Remove every immigrant holding a job that can be taken by a native
>???
>Much less unemployment

>>666536
still dont see why more people unemployed is a price worth paying
not sure what will be achieved by lowering the standard of living for the country.

>>666558

Have you just arrived in this country?

The young and the poor will always be trod on in Britain. Get used to it.

>>666560
Immigrants from where. Within the EU or from outside?
I like our EU bros them fuckers work hard and do a good job.
The fucking dune coon muslims can fuck off though.

I have a job interview tomorrow, gonna have to spend £100 on train tickets that they won't compensate me for and travel 4 hours each way on a train just for a 1 hour interview for a job I probably won't get

Fuck this economic climate. I have a 2:1 in a science-based degree from a Russell Group University and no-one wants to employ me because I don't already have 3 years of experience

>>666560
The reason immigrants were needed in the first place is because the natives thought they were too good for lower paid positions.

>>666560

You missed some bits:

>Every employer expects natives to work for the pittance the immigrants were getting paid
>Say unemployed are lazy instead of admit they were fucking the system
>Happily agree for the Job Centre to send people to work for their dole
>Slave circle continues
>Employers get richer
>Workers get poorer
>God save the Queen

>>666584
Actually no. The reason we needed immigrants was because of WWI and WWII

>>666584

They weren't needed. They were encouraged to come by Thatcher's Tory government, and were embraced by greedy employers who could pay them a slave wage.

There was never a shortage of workers in the UK, just an excess amount of greed.

>>666584

>I believe everything in the Daily Mail comments section.

>prevent youth from employment
>a good chunk of them use some of their free time to become informed
>socially liberal, fiscally conservative libertarians on the rise

What's the problem again?

>>666597
>encouraged to come by Thatcher's Tory government

Nope, HMS Windrush (which heralded the beginning of the influx of immigrants) came to Britain in the late 40's

dicks

>>666564

Society faces a short run trade off between inflation and unemployment or something...

>>666597
>does not know about enoch powell and his rivers of blood.

They were needed after the war there was a shortage of workers.

>>666631
sounds like political bullshit to me.

As a young student (18) doing Business, Accounting and Economics and Computing, I can gladly tell you guys that you don't understand how hard this is.

Most teenagers either have a choice of
>Getting a job
or
>Becoming involved in crime
In order to make some kind of funding.

>>666566

That statement is bogus. The uneducated or simply 'unlucky' (read: Tramps & people on the dole) will be poor. I've seen some poor people escape the cycle, its just near enough impossible. The impossibility makes them feel its unachievable yet they keep being told they will achieve it if they keep being productive.

A glass ceiling.

I hate being unemployed. I hate living in this shitty part of London being trapped in poverty.


And this 'Youth Contract' is complete bollocks. The problem is we're too uneducated (Can you blame them if all young people want to do is drink and have unprotected sex?). I left with a decent amount of GCSE's and I'm doing my A-Levels. I'm a working class kid, without anyone to support me...So yes, the unemployment is bad. Guess I'll have to wait for a revolution.

>Pic related

>>666650
That statement is not bogus and you have proved it.

>mfw 9 out of every 10 jobs in Britain go to immigrants
>mfw these immigrants are from within the EU
>mfw we can do nothing about it

Some one remind me again, why are we in the EU? We signed up for a common market, not this bullshit. David Cameron promised a referendum before the election and oh look, now he's broke his promise because he knows what the UK will vote for.

>>666650

>This statement is bogus
>Repeat it using 3x as many words and a patronizing tone

And you're in education? No wonder you young 'uns are having such a hard time finding work.

>>666662
Coalition.
Lib Dems are pro-EU whether the populace wants it or not.

Besides, out of the EU we'd still have the ECHR to deal with.

>>666662

>Tory politician
>Keeping promises to normal people

HAHAHAHA! Are you a millionaire or banker? If the answer is no, then those 'promises' aren't worth the steam off my dog's turds.

I can't believe people thought Cameron could fix the economy.

Him or his shadow cabinet never once came up with an original policy that was shown to work. They just listened to the tabloids and opposed whatever Labour policy they opposed.

As John Major himself said, "politics of convenience over politics of conviction"

Him and George haven't got a clue.

>>666662

Because Cameron is all about businessmen and profits for the rich.

If he grew some balls and clamped down on immigration, all the cheap labour would dry up. And we can't have businesses compromising the profit-god and actually paying a proper wage, that's simply out of the question.

>>666699
>all the cheap labour would dry up.
We have a minimum wage and all EU migrants would be entitled to it. I fail to see how paying someone from the EU would be cheaper than paying a brit.

Someone just brought this up and Cameron decided to talk about that oh so important 16-18 year old job market and how its improving.

He hasn't got a fucking clue.

>>666735
16-18 year olds should not be at work.
they are fucking useless.

you guys need to consider work outside the UK. I graduated from Imperial last year after doing two internships, and couldn't find shit. Luckily I managed to secure a position in Dubai. £40k, tax free. Planning on working there a year before trying for positions here in the City when things have improved

>>666650
>I've seen some poor people escape the cycle, its just near enough impossible

Its not that hard really, just not in London (or other highly priced areas) for someone who is prepared to accept a less than an ideal position and just keep the money coming in and dont blow it all on crap.

>>666735
Expects another 'work program' for the 16-18 yo job seekers consisting largely of manipulating the statistics so they dont show up on the unemployed list

>>666803
>>666744
>>666735
Under 18 can't register as unemployed anyway

>>666803
They have been doing this for ever.
People not on the unemployment list
16-18 year olds in apprentiships or part time at college
anyone on disability
any student
anyone on income support not JSA (this may be changing though)
anyone claiming child benefit
anyone claiming refugee status
anyone claiming asylum

actiually the unemployment statistics is derived purely from people on JSA while not at any government scheme including Back to work and new deal schemes.

>>666790
But that's it. People don't like hearing that they can't have nice things and may actually have to save money for a change. I can't find work so often actually means I can't find work in my specific field, for the money I want and maintaining a certain standard of frivolous living.

>>666811
i would go as far to say that people under 21 should not be allowed to work.
All of them should be in training or education.

>>666829
oh I know that, my bullshit detector registers maximum when a politician starts mentioning the youth job market.
It's a lot easier to re-shuffle the benefit system slightly, then claim success to the electorate than admit the job market is fucked at the moment

>>666835
While I no slavering right winger, who is going to pay for mandatory training/education til 21. The UK could only just afford the uni student bill pre crash, your idea would massively increase that bill.

I swear to god the Tories cannot into employment.

EVERY TORY GOVERNMENT CAUSES UNEMPLOYMENT TO SKYROCKET

I MEAN FUCK

WHY

>>666858
If you cannot pay for the mewling watermelon headed baby yourself you should not have fucking had it in the first place.

talking about job and the pain of people having no money to spend

People are still crying about the 50p tax rate

>>666747
>Planning on working there a year before trying for positions here in the City when things have improved

>things have improved

he believes economy will improve.

I wish they would just lower the minimum wage, there are barely any jobs in my area, I would be happy to work for as low as £3 an hour if it just meant I had a job.

I even did some volunteering at a charity shop just to get some experience but I could only work there for 6 weeks because they had to cycle staff due to so many young people wanting to volunteer just to get some experience.

Inb4 benefits, I may be struggling but i'm not scum.

>>666894
Businesses don't hire workers workers based on whether they can or can't afford them. They hire workers based on how much labor they need to get the job done.

>>666894
lowering the minimum wage would not increase the amount of jobs just the amount of impoverished people.

>>666871
Back to the DM
1/10 for getting me to respond.
Disclaimer - yes I've seen career benefit parents popping out brats to increase there benefits, but thats a world away from expecting responsible parents to fund an adult's education between the ages of 16-21

>>666894

>I may be struggling but i'm not scum.

But you are proposing a drop in minimum wage just to ease your boredom and get you some pocket money for videogames and Wotsits? Do you know the absolute destruction lowering the minimum wage would wreak on people across the country?

You're not scum, but you're great idea is to plunge a massive chunk of the country into complete poverty? Cool fucking story bro.

>>666910
>Is old enough to remember a time before kids weren't bribed to go to school post-16 and did it because they new it was what they needed to do.

>>666894

Take benefits, be one more damning statistic around Cameron's greasy neck.

By 'not being scum' you're enabling the Tories to continue this merry-go-round of fucking horseshit. You're lucky you don't have to take benefits, some people don't have as cushy a life as you to make such ignorant, retarded statements.

>>666927
>*when kids weren't bribed

Is /pol/ ageist?
Fucking (old) twats.

>>666927
So am I
Your point being? Was it you who posted the mandatory 16-21 thing?

>>666950
There's nothing really ageist in this thread.

>>666966
Nope, just throwing in my quidsworth and pointing out that people from working class backgrounds managed to get into further and higher education without the need for government bribery and are now comfortably middle class because of it.

>>666910
if you have 3 you are better off not working in the UK
This is 100% fact

The whole system is wrong because we have to justify spending money on educating 16-21 year olds.
Companies who want good workers should be funding the education from 16-21 so they get a workforce that can think and develop well and not just have attitude and be lazy.

>>666966
that was me
I have worked with people 16-21 and non of them are any use.
they dont want to work, dont understand work ethics, skive off all the time, laze about, have no concept of customer care, I would rather they were out of the work loop until they have learnt this.
I suppose that a good work ethic cannot be taught outside a work environment though.

>>666983

It's not the same now though. You have to be well-connected or extremely lucky these days to drag yourself out of poverty. The boomer and boomer-lite days are long behind us.

>>666942

>Labour voter

Lolz

Vote BNP or get out. At least then we can rebuild after the inevitable race war.

>>667020
Really because I was in further education in the early 2000s, has it really changed that much?

>>667059

Were you working class? Were you poor? Were you middle class with two parents in national average wage?

>>667037

Roughly 5% of the British population is non-white, that's including all the mixed race kids..

Nice fantasy you have there about anything like that happening, or the upper classes actually letting you have any kind of real power and giving a shit about you..

>>667077
Working class. Father was a warehouse laborer (still is) and mother was unemployed.

>>667018

>Want young people to be better at work
>Treat them like scum and insist they be trained outside of work

This is the problem with business in the UK. Companies used to train people, invest in them a bit, sculpt them into great workers and adults. Now business owners want drones fresh from school, people willing to take shit all day long for shit pay, pre-trained but willing to degrade themselves for minimum wage while the boss slacks off looking at BMW prices online.

Look at Germany, most employers there train their staff in recognized programs. It gives them worth, and they have a recognized skill. Here in the UK it's just about abusing the staff until they give up, then bringing in another fool to drain and toss away. All for the amazing minimum wage.

And people wonder why worker morale is at an all time low. Look in the fucking mirror, business owners. Your precious profits and love of soul-destroying employment agencies have raped the work ethic of the country. Not dole, not benefits, just good old fashioned greed and laziness on behalf of employers.

>>667087

and what are you now? Doctor? Lawyer? Solicitor?

>>667037
>BNP

They've got a bad reputation even among racists.

>>667037

>Don't like Cameron
>LULZ LABOUR VOTER

Go be 13 elsewhere, retard.

>>667095
Neither. I was a developer and now, after having saved up for it, I've returned to uni to take a PhD.

>blame austerity and no overbearing regulation and social programs

It's either this or we turn into Greece.

>graduate Uni with a degree in history
>realise what a horrible mistake I made
>now work for minimum wage in a Spar-like 'independent' chain
>no breaks
>no bonuses
>illegal working hours
>treated like utter shit by a borderline retarded manager who only knows anger

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go and work until gone 9pm, and then be back for a new shift tomorrow morning at 10 to 6.

>>667168
If it's illegal, report them.

Also, try to get into skill based training. It's a godsend.

>>666870
>WHY

Because the previous government borrows huge amounts to employ people in public sector jobs, thus unemployment goes down and they look good. It's never sustainable though.

>>667091
>Want young people to be better at work
>Treat them like scum and insist they be trained outside of work

I treat them as they deserve to be treated. Respect is a privilege not a right.

I Do agree with you though companies abuse youth workers because they can get away with it.
which is another reason to keep them out of the workforce.
They should be taught work ethics from a young age,

>>667184
Go back to PMQs Dave, they seem to love the "FAULT OF THE PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT" talk there.

>>667195
It's a fact, sorry if you can't accept it. You can't have huge swathes of the country where over a quarter of the population are employed in the public sector.

>>667184
The last Tory government caused more public debt than Labour ever did

It was only due to the bail out in 2008 that cause debt levels to rise

Of course the Tories where against the bail out

>>667195
The problem is, with so many people working in the public sector, the private sector had no room to expand, thus the problems we are seeing now are due to an undersized private sector compared with the economy. And that was all due to the Labour government vastly expanding the public sector to help their figures. You cannot deny this since it is a fact.

>>667221
>blatant lies
>"you can't deny this since it is a fact."

>>667216
Paying off war debt to an all time low in 1990?

>>667242
>Everything Labour did was amazing because I got muh benefits

>>667253
You don't even try to make up proof for your lies now, and resort to ad hominems instead? Right what i'd expect from tory scum.

>>667195
Sorry Ed, are we cutting your public services too far and too fast?

>MFW Im self employed and only put half of my earings through the books and employ people who sign on and pay them cash in hand. Also I have a dodgy accountant that minimises the amount of tax I do bother paying

>>667271

Yes. The employment figures show this.

>>667264
>lies
>this is why retards shouldn't be allowed to vote

Next you'll be blaming the bankers for the cuts and slow growth while forgetting that all the growth and ability to spend money on you cretins came from financial services over the last 10 years.

>>667295
If we followed labours plan, good luck keeping our low bond yields, which would mean the goverment would have to cut just as fast anyway.

Labour had the best plan

This country would be great if we only had a labour government

Tories only care about their friends in the city

>>667345
Softly. Gently.

>scrap ID cards
>cut EMA
>lead UK on the way out of the european union
>destroy the lib dems voter base forever
>cut back on wasteful spending to local councils
>take steps to balance the budget

>big dave
>GOAT PM

pick two

>>667386
>GOAT PM

Huh?

>>667397
If you got comprehension problems I feel bad for you son,
I got 99 problems but being dumb aint' one

>>667416

>implying GOAT is a well known phrase outside of the Mirror.

Not everyone is a blithering working class Tory hater y'know.

>>667467
>implying GOAT isn't one of the most well known sayings on 4chan

I'm sorry, we should be more welcoming to newfriends

>>667472

>implying it is when having been on /new/, /pol/ and /int/ for 2 years

Sorry but it must be something that never gets used like those 4 year old memes that /b/ likes to think are daily but aren't.

Argghhh stop bickering, you really think petty UK politics really mean that much at the moment.
We are skint - arguing if Dave is Maggie 2.0 or ZANUlabour etc is not helping.
There is a shit load of jobless, there isnt jobs for perhaps even half of them and its doubtful we can continue to pay the benefits bill
Discuss

>>667532
discuss practical methods for reducing unemployment and boosting the economy leaving out entrenched political positions, lets face it both Labour and Tory's have got it wrong numerous times over the last 30 years

>>667532
You think this is bad now, wait for our parents to start retiring along with the rest of the boomers, and then consider people aren't dying till well into their 80's.

>get a 2.2
>can't get a job