A society that makes you pay the consequences of your actions. Faggot.

It's a discrace that we live in such a society.

I don't think 99% of america are faggots who want to be girls.

what the fuck is a transman?

>>559184
Check your cis-gender privilege! We're here, we're queer, get used to it.

Why not use their money to lobby to congress?

Fuck this movement. It has so much potential but is run by childish assholes.

>>559194
Woman dressed as a man, I think.

what kind of world do we live in when disorders are considered "lifestyles"?

You know what?
I'm not even going to address any gay or trans hate on this.

Justifying such a backwards, antiquated view on human sexuality is only proof that captialism stifles human development.

I say all the gays go to better countries. Eventually America will just be Mississippi: The nation.

Transgender people should move to Thailand or any other country with a third gender.

>>559198
>>559188
>>559175
What does this have to do with OWS?

I'm so confused as to what they want.

>>559198
a gay guy so unattractive that other gay guys don't even want him so he has to try to turn into a woman in hopes that he'll get some dick

>>559175
>fuck up your home state after pushing for libtarded policies
>make it so it has become unlivable and you must leave
>get angry when your new home state doesn't
want to get destroyed by leftism

>>559175
>the government offers me no protection against discrimination
>but we should hand all power over to them

>BAWWWW I'M [enter abnormality] I SHOULD BE A PROTECTED MINORITY

maybe these people didn't get fired because of their sexuality but because they're whiny entitled faggots

>>559198

>cis-gender

Is this another faggot buzzword like "breeder" that is designed to make straights feel guilty about being normal? Try harder. I like the fact that I'm actually contributing to civilization unlike sodomite degenerates like you.

Believe me, I know all too well that you're "here". I wish you weren't. But if you are going to breathe the same air as me, why not keep your perversions to yourself instead of shoving them down my throat?

>>559175
>i argued in favor of higher taxes and then couldn't afford them myself
>i hold other people responsible for this
>i am the 99%

>>559188
Cool, so in 37 states I can kill this person and no one will care? Surely he's he can't be wrong.

>State liberal enough to allow gay marriage
>High cost of living that drives people out

SHOCKING.

>Homosexuals, lesbians, and bisexuals just want to be accepted by society and have their right to marry legally sanctioned.
>Transgendered faggots want society to pay for their useless operations to make them feel better about themselves
>Latch on to homosexuals, lesbians, and bisexuals, and pretend theyre the same thing
This is why I hate you, you worthless assholes.

>>559233
Yes, most OWS'ers believe in higher tax rates. For all classes.

Representative of the cost of living. Billionaires would have a higher tax bracket as they can afford to live, and have a lot more money left over. Certainly, I believe they should also have enough to afford yachts and all the luxuries, but if it stifles human development, it's wrong.

Don't like it? Go to Dubai.

>>559188
>i'm protesting banks over laws that even banks wouldn't bother influencing written by politicians
>banksters banksters banksters all the world's problems are banksters

>>559226
>Is this another faggot buzzword like "breeder" that is designed to make straights feel guilty about being normal?

Basically, yes. "Cis" is basically the equivalent of "fag" to be used against straight white people.

>>559242
>Yes, most OWS'ers believe in higher tax rates. For all classes.
so it's not weird at all to kick yourself out of your own home and then blame other people for it? okay, bizarro man

>Don't like it? Go to Dubai.
you're as bad as fox news, glad you aren't in control fascist

They're usually people who have been too weak to succeed throughout childhood. Never picked in sports, made fun of for ever reason and were too cowardly to defend themselves, etc. Then they grow up, flock to this little party of misfits known as "the Left" and attempt to basically destroy the normal and traditional parts of society that they weren't accepted into. It's a very bitter bunch. They're pretty good at destroying a functioning society but they'll never be capable of running one themselves. It simply can't work. Running and establishing a healthy society requires individuals of strength. An all-star cast of the societies weaklings aren't equipped to do this.

>>559254
>kick yourself out of your own home

Jeez, yeah, I think we should breed a society of hate-mongerers that derive moral value from systems of belief with 0 consistency written ~2000 years ago, and then it'll be the faggot's fault that he's kicked out. THAT'S PROGRESS.

>>559266

why is the modern woman bald and why does she have razor streaks across her face?

>>559242

Typical hippie retardation. We'll have higher human development if people manned up and put some effort into their lives instead of being needy emos.

>>559267
>Hey guys my parents made me go to church when I was little and the preacher said something that left me suuuuuper butthurt once I became a teenager and thought back on it
>Society needs to change to ease my anusache.

I think a lot of our disagreements come from far-too-strong language and a lack of mutual understanding.

Instead of assuming we somewhat understand eachother's viewpoints, let's start from square one:

Why should transgendered and/or gay people not deserve protection from discrimination, like women and blacks?

>>559273
Supposed to be a black man, I assume.

>>559267
>implying

>>559283
Because the basis of what caused the anusache comes from a completely unamerican principle: Christianity.

There is no scientific, logical, or factual basis on the idea that transgendered people are unequal to standard-gendered (actually I dunno what word would be used to describe it, I'll say "normal" next time.) people.

The only basis of these claims comes from sweeping generalizations, or from religion.

>>559289

Define "discrimination" and "protection from discrimination".

Do I believe that marriage between two people of the same sex should be legal? Certainly.

Do I believe in affirmative action? No.

Do I believe in laws forcing employers to pay everyone the same? No, too easily abused.

Do I believe that there should be laws saying "You cannot fire a person for being _____"? No, but only because those laws become "You cannot fire a person who is ______."

If you define discrimination as "singling someone out and telling them they cannot do something for no particularly good reason, just because it's different", then yes, I think discrimination is bad and we should avoid it wherever possible. If you define discrimination as "something bad happened to me and I've managed to define myself as a minority, make a law so that this never happens again", then no, fuck off with you.

>>559289
>Why should transgendered and/or gay people not deserve protection from discrimination, like women and blacks?
What kind of discrimination are you talking about?

>>559198
What the fuck does being a fucked up freak have to do with student debt?

>>559316
>Because the basis of what caused the anusache comes from a completely unamerican principle: Christianity.

Okay kid. Sure.

Make sure to tell the Hot Topic clerk how you schooled all those KKKrischuns on the internet when you visit this afternoon.

>>559316
Where has religion once been used in this thread? You're grasping, and it's hilarious.

>transgender
>part of the 99%

HAHAHAHA OH WOW MY SIDES
The gene pool needs to be rid of these freaks

>>559345
See? I'm glad we agree.

Meanwhile, in a good deal of these instances, it is, as a matter of fact, people being fired because they are different.

Handouts? Bullshit.


Something I would like to educate myself on more, is the concept of mental illness as a disability in reference to emotional state.
I've been through depression, and it's like your entire physiology changes. Food tastes different, I couldn't describe it unless you went through it too.
There's a good deal of misconception that one has to "just buck up and take it" when, as we know brain experience is operated by neurotransmitters, they literally cannot.

I think every side should learn more about this.

>>559316

Do you have evidence of "transgender" or third-gender individuals in pre-Christian European culture?

>>559364

This post:
>>559283

>>559382
>Meanwhile, in a good deal of these instances, it is, as a matter of fact, people being fired because they are different.

First of all, can they prove they were fired because they were different?

And if they can, while that is terrible and sucks... why would they want to work in a place where the only reason they don't fire you is that the law won't allow them to?

Seriously, you want to go to work every day at a place where the boss hates your guts just for existing? Why?

Why not find somewhere else to work where the company hires people smart enough to care more about whether you can do your job than who puts their thing in your stuff, rather than dealing with that hate every day?

>transman

Sorry, stopped reading here.
You are a natural born liberal, I can't feel compassion towards you.

>>559400

You mean the one that's in reply to this post?

>that derive moral value from systems of belief with 0 consistency written ~2000 years ago

Do tell, which non-religious system of moral beliefs written 2000 years ago were you referring to?

>>559377

heh, yeah no wonder ows failed.

>>559393
It's not about the origin of christianity or history, it's about current "fag-hating" christian culture that poisons our government, and fucks with guaranteed constitutional rights because of their ideology saying it's "morally wrong".

As well, the bible does principally state that there is only man and woman, which we now know to be factually untrue due to hermaphrodites.

>>559400
That was in response to you bringing up religion unprovoked, it's fucking greentext, and is a personal attack with nothing to do with the discussion at hand. No one but you has used religion in their argument.

I live in fucking Kentucky. 48th poorest state, full of rednecks

Transsexuals have legal protection in our state.

Its called fucking discrimination laws against discrimination based on gender

They cover transgenders

These photos are fucking lying. Its a federal fucking work law.

>>559428
>and fucks with guaranteed constitutional rights

Okay, this oughtta be good.

Which constitutional rights are those?

Keep in mind, I believe in gay marriage, but since you whipped out the "Not allowing it is unconstitutional!" penis, let's see if you can jack it, kid.

>>559422
Perhaps it was an assumption on my part. I figured the poster was referring to "kicking yourself out" into reference the vast majority of LGBT homeless that are homeless not because of financial reasons, but due to the parents' views causing the child to be removed. Often times, when they are under age.

>>559198
Holy shit, his dioptry must be -6 or more!

>>559453

People have shitty parents. Fact of life.

Plenty of kids get kicked out for a vast variety of reasons that have nothing to do with their orientation. I don't see you telling the government to stick up for kids whose parents kicked them out for smoking pot or getting a girl pregnant or being a juggalo.

I don't know what you guys are talking about, the guy in OP's pic has an easy case for suing the company that fired but he won't b/c he knows he was fired for something else too and not just that.

A guy at my office came out that he was transgender and going to become a woman, they had a fucking meeting with all the associates in the department and the transman actually got up and talked to everyone saying he was going to officially become a woman.

Then randomly one day about two weeks later he came in dressed and acting like a woman.

Point is, they have to accept transgender folk or they know they got a big suit on their hands

>>559436

they're protestors.

how can they be wrong?

>>559412
Because 9% unemployment rate isn't a result of a nationwide epidemic of laziness.
There just isn't enough jobs. Sometimes you have to work for the guy that hates you. This is the mental equivalent of working in a sawmill that requires you to test blades by stopping them with your teeth. Don't like stopping blades with your teeth? You're fired!

>faggot
>not realizing that liberals are supporting faggotry
>2011

>>559198

No, your elders (not your country) told you that going to college would provide you access to opportunities.

They told you "If you don't go to college, you won't get a good job."

You chose to hear, "If you go to college, you'll get a good job."

These are not, in fact, the same thing.

>>559463
Joining a gang or getting someone pregnant is a choice.
Your sexuality or gender is not.

>>559421
>implying

>>559488
That disgusting thing is considered a human being.

Why?

>>559485
sexuality is a choice

gender is...a choice thanks to surgery

there is no genetic component to homosexuality or transgender sexualism. Its purely cultural.

And if you think about it, that's a good thing, because if it was genetic, it would be technically considered a medical abnormality, and there would be no reason for society to pander to it at all

By reserving it in the realm of choice, we reserve it to the realm of individual liberty and thus protect the right to choose to be homosexual or transgender or whatever

>>559501
>sexuality is a choice
0/10, reported, called the cops, burned my computer, hiding in FEMA evacuation camp.

>>559485
>Joining a gang
>Juggalos
>gang

We got us a sheltered li'l suburban white boy here, fellaz! Hoooo-WEE!

Betchoo got a real purdy mouth an' a secret HONger for hillbilly cock, doncha now?

>>559499
not a human being, but he was mayor of new york and ran for republican nominee in 08

>>559505
you can choose to feel however you want about your sexuality

you can feel masculine, feminine, whatever, and you can reassign "gender" through surgery

the point being that people who claim that they're gay because of genetics simply don't have any fucking clue what the fuck they're talking about

>>559506
They're classified as a gang in several states.

>>559512
>Republicans aren't real people
>Stop dehumanizing gay people, bigots!

>>559512
>republican
>ultrafag

We are about to divide by zero here.

>>559522
So you chose to be straight/gay?
Really? I find myself completely incapable of that choice.

I mean, today I chose what clothes I war, and I chose what I had for breakfast.
But gosh darnit, I can't bring myself to say "I think I'll suck some dick today, that sounds mighty fine".

>>559527

The best kind of correct!

>>559428
> which we now know to be factually untrue due to hermaphrodites

>only states man and woman a specifically allegorical creation story which has been held as metaphor even by ancient Jewish priests

>implies hermaphrodite is third category

It's a fuck up you moron, that's why all human hermaphrodites are sterile. There has never been a fertile one in history because of the they are sex determining chromosomes work.

intersex=broken and sterile not a separate sex

>>559542
>But gosh darnit, I can't bring myself to say "I think I'll suck some dick today, that sounds mighty fine".

Maybe you just haven't found the right dick.

I mean, spaghetti's really straight until you heat it up.

>>559546
My argument is, regardless of whatever you decide to call them: A subculture, a groupie, a "ICP army" (think KISS army.) it's still a choice to associate, as you have the freedom to associate, as it is a choice to associate.

>>559548

So? We don't gas retards, ugly people that will never get laid, or anyone that's sterile. Sterility happens often. We don't go up to a man, take a sperm sample, and if he's shooting blanks, we say he can't work somewhere. I fail to see your point.

>>559540
calm down... Guilani dressed up in drag as a joke. but he did it willingly and had a bit too much fun with it so.. you make the conclusion.

he's also had many broken marriages... my guess is b/c of his ravaging homosexuality

>>559542
It is a personal choice based upon personal experiences and culture, in a way its a form of survival strategy.

For instance, most of the "trannies" in porn only look that way...for the period of time they're doing porn. After they move past mid 20s, most of them get the fake tits taken out, cut their hair, etc. and go back to living as "normal" gay men.

In cultures where there are third genders, its virtually always a survival strategy, as well. Native Americans had them, Hindu culture recognizes third genders. Generally speaking, it was a way that someone who felt outside their society in their "birth" gender could find a way to survive within their community as a "third" gender.

So yes, you choose to be whatever your sexuality and gender is, but its heavily based upon cultural impressions and mostly a subconscious choice, many times foistered upon you from birth by family.

And that's fine. Some transgendered people rail against it, but when you think about it, it makes sense that people inculcate their child's gender on them through the way they refer to them, dress them, interact with them, etc while they are babies.

Then their sexuality is formulated through their experiences as they grow up through adolescence

For a second I thought Transman was an occupation.

>>559564

So because it's a choice about their identity or their association, even though that's really who they want to be or what they want to do, they should suppress it until they move out and lead their own lives? But because you feel who you are was predetermined, the law should protect you but not them?

Wow. You're quite the bigot.

wtf is a transman?

like a transportation job?

>>559588
Studies also associate rates of homosexuality with hormonal levels in the womb.

You know what we've concluded?

No scientific study has given consistent results on what causes homosexuality.

You know what this means?
Drawing a conclusion at this moment is bigoted and uneducated.

This is the whole nature/nurture thing you learn about in psychology 1. This is just such a huge issue, solving it on a political forum with absolutely zero scientific insight is going to result in the same type of debate people have over what scientific practices should be allowed.

>>559501
Gender Identity as a descriptor for the sex someone presents themselves as (rather than are) didn't even exist until 1966, when it was specifically coined in reference to transexuals.

As far as the rest of the world was concerned, sex was all there was.

It's only because transexuals wanted to have a more "user friendly" term that we started using gender in that way.

The term Gender role had been established a few years earlier, as a specific social function. As in "there's the masculine role, and the feminine role" just like gender was used in language. It was not a descriptor for the sex being presented until 1966.

So I say fuck you to gender. We need to discard it from our vocabulary.

>>559621

Transexual... uh...

... Okay, I'm not entirely up on my "We're totally a unique subculture with our own slang that you have to know but only we can use it" words.

Is a transman becoming a man or becoming a woman?

The movement to make every single aspect of someone's personality a classification ("fat genderqueer potheaddyke" sexuality represent!) has left me confused. I can't even imagine how confused the people who actually take quizzes that say "Look over the following list of thirty sexualities, check all that apply" seriously must feel.

>>559594
You're born gay (possibly.) You become a juggalo because your friends are juggalos. Nobody is born a juggalo.

Parents have a responsibility to keep you away from harmful groups. Gays are not a harmful group. The only "morally wrong" thing they stand for is acceptance of sexuality, which is being condemned through antiquated world views and a misunderstanding of human sexuality.

Juggalos, or any other gang, however, stand for a lifestyle of crime.

There is a difference between WHO YOU ARE and WHO YOU ASSOCIATE WITH.

>>559627
the problem is that even if they do influence the way you perceive things, there is nothing that says because X propensity exists that Y result must occur.

You may have a tendency to be vulnerable to heart disease, but you may never develop it, similar situation. You have a phenomena that is, at best, pleiotropic, and the POTENTIAL that some hormonal imbalances in the womb may give some influence to propensity, but ultimately, to become a bioreductivist and say X gene or gene cluster or X amount of hormonal imbalance in the womb equates to Y level of homosexuality or transgenderism is a two fold mistake

First its a mistake of science. Genes don't work that way. Its complicated but they just don't. This isn't some sort of Mendelian trait we're talking about here.

Secondly its a mistake of philosophy and law, because if you declare that homosexuals or transgenders are people who are basically errors of genetics or hormonal imbalances in pregnancy, then you create a very unteneable situation where the anti homosexual crusaders (of which I am NOT one) can say "Well if its genetic, its a disorder and therefore these people are freaks" ergo justifying discrimination.

Its a choice that is influenced by a variety of factors and is uniquely individual in nature, but it is a choice, and that's the best way to preserve the RIGHT to CHOOSE to be or live life as a homosexual or transgender person

I'm not for discrimination against anyone for any reason at any time by the way

>>559585
the IDIOCY of the whole damn argument is that these people think they get fired for WHAT they are, not HOW they act.

If you're gay, and you work at law firm, and some important client comes in and you go "Why hellllooo there! Nice to MEET you. How ARE you today. WOW you look SUPER SHARP"

Guess what, you're probably not going to keep your job.

If you're trying to "transition" and as a result you come to work looking drugged out, trying poorly to pass yourself off as another gender, and instead just looking like a man wearing a dress, and introduce yourself to customers as "Alex" when your name is "susan" guess what, you're probably going to be fired.

Because you don't know how to act professional.

>>559651
>You're born gay (possibly.) You become a juggalo because your friends are juggalos. Nobody is born a juggalo.

So?

>Parents have a responsibility to keep you away from harmful groups. Gays are not a harmful group.

What is a "harmful group" is generally a matter of opinion and perception, outside of concrete action. While some groups have unsavory elements, that's just certain representatives.

Parents don't like gay people, so they define gay people as harmful. ("NOT COOL, DUDE! NOT COOL!")

You don't like juggalos, so you define them as harmful. ("But you see, that's different. Because I'm -right-.")

>Juggalos, or any other gang, however, stand for a lifestyle of crime.

You are so darling and sheltered, girlfriend.

>There is a difference between WHO YOU ARE and WHO YOU ASSOCIATE WITH.

I think what you mean is "It's okay to make other people suppress their individual identity until they move out. It's not okay to make me do it. Let me justify why."

See, really, what it comes down to is that you only care about yourself, and other members of your group by association. You don't think parents kicking their children out of the house is wrong, you think parents kicking their GAY TRANSGENDER NON-CIS kids out of the house is wrong. Anyone else getting kicked out is just horning in on your angst and discrimination cred, so fuck them. Fuck them to Hell. (Which exists so that people you don't like can go there, but God doesn't because he's an asshole.)

Get over yourself. You're not even going to turn into your parents someday... you already are them.

>>559678
Man, I wish I took a bio route in sciences nowadays. I'm just too squeamish, so I never could actually educate myself because classes always discussed things like "blood flow!" and dissecting hearts.

The philosophical viewpoint of this is interesting, though. I probably can't develop quite a viewpoint at this moment due to my lack of understanding of genetic process.

>>559635
>Gender Identity as a descriptor for the sex someone presents themselves as (rather than are) didn't even exist until 1966, when it was specifically coined in reference to transexuals.

It wasn't MEDICALLY RECOGNIZED until 1966. Neither were lots of diseases. Which leads us to this assertion

>It's only because transexuals wanted to have a more "user friendly" term that we started using gender in that way.

Look. From this perspective, basically any disease not recognized before 1966 doesn't exist and is just made up to make people feel good about themselves

But the claim the rest of the world didn't have third genders is simply untrue. Eskimos, Native Americas, Hindus, African tribes and Asian cultures have all recognized third genders for thousands of years.

Many were held up as spiritual people, or close to god hood, or were treated respectfully as midwives, etc

Its just way too complicated to boil down to simply "Leftist homosexuals and crossdressers wanted to make themselves more acceptable so they invented a term"

Beyond that it was originally categorized as a mental disorder in the big thick book of illnesses the doctors put out every couple years

Now, you see a whole lot MORE "Transgendered people" today than ever before. I would argue that's an example of the culture both tolerating them more, and making more people aware of the culture or lifestyle, and thus attracting a larger audience.

>>559727
what? No, the term was introduced in 1966.

It's not like people used the term, and later it became medically recognized.

Literally the first recorded use was when a journal made it up to describe a recent transexual hospital/treatment center that opened.

>>559723
For me the most interesting parts of biological and social sciences are stuff like this because you have to start to really think about where environment and genetics end and where culture and personal choice begin, and that is where you begin to garner real insight into what goes behind each person's choices, identity, etc.

>>559750
but before that they were called transsexuals or cross dressers

and whatever the actual term used to denote them, people who felt uncomfortable in their social settings as the gender/sexuality they were "born" or perceived to have impressed upon them have existed in many cultures.

But they're weren't like super common. People need to realize that.

A lot of times when a female was doing the transgender thing in primitive cultures it was to feed children or, for instance, the woman's husband dies and she inherits his shit but has no children, so she'll "marry" another woman, who will bear her "children" by some other man.

Shit gets pretty complicated when you're talking about gender/sexuality and history

>>559727
also, Gender Identity Disorder wasn't recognized by the medical community until the 80s.

>>559720
So, your parents shouldn't have the right to abandon you because you're short, because you're tall, because you have blonde hair. Get what I'm saying? Psychology is just pushed under the rug and treated as a "choice" because you can't see what's going on. People focus on the physical aspects of this.

And this goes back to that asshole who was complaining about religion. Give me one non-religious argument that says homosexuality is morally disagreeable.

Group identification is not who you are. A juggalo is not literally a clown who raps, he just dresses it. A gay man is literally a guy who is attracted to other men. It's impossible for him to suppress it without severe mental anguish. You're pushing psychology under the rug because you don't understand it.

I absolutely think it's wrong for parents to kick their children out for any mental, or physical trait. Kicking your kid out because he has severe cerebral palsy, because he has cerebral palsy is just deplorable, and should be a crime. Kicking your gay kid out because he is gay is also wrong.

>>559727

>Many were held up as spiritual people, or close to god hood, or were treated respectfully as midwives, etc

That has a lot to do with the fact that they were abnormal. Functioning abnormality in the ancient world was usually treated with undue respect. Their positions too weren't sexual in nature.

Third gendered people did not have sex or were culturally prohibited from having sex. This ties back to their positions, given their inherent chastity

>>559783
it wasn't identified AS gender identity disorder

But again, that's irrelevant. By that logic ANY psychological illness that wasn't discovered by X point would, by this logic, be not a real disease.

Its more like until this century, people who cross dressed were just viewed as absolute freaks and not worthy of medical attention

not to mention psychology prior to the 60s was basically just Freud and Freud was wrong on everything.

In fact psychology back then was pretty much trash. These people were giving people frontal lobotomies and shock therapy treatments and shit

What makes the lack of diagnosis prior to the 60s and 80s more credible than the modern ones, with modern technology and research techniques?

The very premise of your argument is unsound bro. Its making the assumptions named and fails to live up to intellectual snuff

>>559778
actually, it often gets more simplistic.

A gay friend of mine got into an argument with someone about "gay greeks" or gay romans, I forget which (I wasn't part of the convo)

He scolded the other guy for thinking that they approved of homosexuals, citing that they saw pairbonding with the same sex as a huge taboo, but having sex was just recreational, and hedonistic, and not related to who you want to pairbond with, which is why it was considered okay.

However, if you didn't settle down with a woman and have children, there was something seriously wrong with you.

nearly every culture around the world has gone through similar bouts.

It's only very recently that any culture has been openly welcoming to homosexuals as a lifestyle

>>559788
This is just an insulting post.

They weren't viewed as abnormal at all in their cultures. This is a post hoc personal judgment dysphemism meant to blow off evidence contrary to your already unsupportable conclusion that just because they weren't medically recognized in the 60s or the 80s means their condition isn't "Real" or whatever.

I've already said its not genetically based and is a choice based on cultural issues. Time for you to come half way and recognize that they are in fact human beings and do deserve respect like all other human beings.

>>559785
>Give me one non-religious argument that says homosexuality is morally disagreeable.

Why would I? I don't care about religion.

I just think you're being a self-centered cockbite, who decided to focus on one particular aspect of what I said ("JUGGALOS JUGGALOS JUGGALOS!") and run with it to the exclusion of all else. (Notice that you didn't try to justify parents kicking their kids out of the house for smoking pot.)

I think you've got a complex where the world is against you and rather than bad things happening to you (or, far more likely, people kind of like you) because bad things happen to a lot of people, it's got to be Bad Things Happened To Me Because Something Is Wrong With The World.

You're no different than the guys that think surely the world will end within their lifetimes, or surely the Rapture will occur within their lifetimes, or surely the government is out to suppress the truth they're spreading and that's why no one listens to them. You can't see outside yourself enough to realize that the world just works that way sometimes, so you imagine a society-wide conspiracy that's targeting your group specifically.

>>559800
Because modern psychology derives actual scientific principles, such as chemistry. This is why you can now be medicated for a mental disorder like schizophrenia, instead of assuming there's literal voices in their head that need to be let out.

Freud wasn't the worst guy. He came in a time when discussion of mental state was culturally unacceptable, and crazy people were treated to alternating boiling and freezing baths. They never scientifically concluded this was the best course of action, this was brought up by "hey let's see if this works!".

>>559808
Actually pederasty was institutionalized in the Greek culture bro. The saying "Women are for babies, boys are for love" started there.

>>559808
What's wrong with change?
Are gays bad for America, somehow?

>>559800
of course the premise of "my argument" is unsound.

You have completely gone on some other tangent and don't understand at all my point.

My point was that gender is used incorrectly now. It was originally used purely for social labeling by the media, and particularly gender identity has gone on to describe a particular psychological disorder.

So we shouldn't fuckin use gender when we're talking about men and women.

Are you genetically female? Then you're a woman. Are you Genetically male? then you're a man.

You can present yourself as whatever you want, but no one has to adhere to it.

I could present myself as a chimpanzee. It would be no less accurate than a man calling themselves a woman.

>>559834
right so why would the field not recognizing homosexuality/transgenderism prior to the 60s or whatever matter then, in that context?

They weren't really "trying" to heal people they didn't know what they were doing and not recognizing something prior to that date is meaningless to the conversation as to whether they have a legitimate whatever you want to call it.

I don't think gay people are sick. I think they felt compelled towards their sexuality based on a collusion of life experiences, personal perception and cultural values impressed upon them as a child.

>>559826
If you re-read the base of my post, it's actually mostly about the differentiation between the mental and the physical, which is greatly misunderstood. It's become socially acceptable that a kid cannot be kicked out for having no limbs, or because he's ugly, or different looking, but it's totally OK to kick your kid out because he's a dude that likes dudes.