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So, libfags, why do you only support the first amendment and not the second?
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>>5438343 (OP)
I support both
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I support free speech but the right to shout "Bomb!" in a crowded place

I support the right to bear arms but not own an automatic assault rifle.

It's a spectrum, not black and white.
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>>5438496
>not own an automatic assault rifle.
Why?
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I don't support a bad idea just because it's on an old piece of paper
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>>5438545
How is it a bad idea?
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>>5438529

>inb4 assault weapon
>inb4 Fail-R-15
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>>5438603
Shhh... go away

I want them to try and justify their opinions. When they do I have a whole folder of facts and evidence to tell them they are wrong.
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>>5438496
Automatic weapons have been banned for 30+ years, and the ones grandfathered in have been used in 2 crimes since the laws inception.

But the poinit persists, anyone with weapons training will tell you that a accurate, semi-auto weapon will do much, much more damage than a spray and pray attack.

Your objection has little merit .
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>>5438583
>dumb murrikans
>let them have guns
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>>5438641
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>>5438603

>Fail-R-15
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>implying liberals support the first amendment
>implying liberals didn't invent the concept of "hate speech" and make it illegal to question the holocaust
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>>5438637
No you have a whole folder of opinions.
Big difference.
Point is, you don't really need auto assault weapons.
And if you can't handle that, you don't deserve to own a gun in the first place.
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Why do people need to incorporate the bill of rights to the state?
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>>5438641
>let them have guns
>let

I'm not sure you fully understand how this country works.
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Because they're fucking ignorant.
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>>5438683
>states
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"Arms" includes, but is not limited to, firearms.
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>>5438529
There are 2 legitimate reasons to own a gun:

Hunting: There are specialized weapons for that, and besides, a fully automatic rifle is just unsporting.

Self defense or home defense: a pistol is just fine for that.

The only reason to choose a fully automatic rifle over a sporting gun or a pistol is if you want to go on a mass shooting.
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SOON POPULAR MEDIA SHALL INSPIRE THE OCCUPIERS AND OTHER REVOLUTIONISTS TO BECOME COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT.

WHILE THIS IS GOOD, THEY SHALL DO SO BEFORE THEY ARE FULLY PREPARED FOR WHAT SHALL RESULT FORM THEM BECOMING INDEPENDENT. THEY WILL BE KILLED FOR ATTEMPTING INDEPENDENCE. DO NOT BECOME INDEPENDENT TILL YOU ARE FULLY READY FOR WAR. WHEN YOU BECOME INDEPENDENT YOU ARE ENTERING INTO WAR. BE WARNED.
YOU MUST BECOME A PARAGON OF HUMAN CAPABILITY IF YOU HOPE TO SURVIVE.

SPREAD THE WORD TO YOUR FRIENDS AND ANONYMOUSLY OVER THE INTERNET.

tell it on the mountain
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>>5438707

As opposed to a semi-auto rifle like James Holmes used? Which is more accurate.
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I'm a liberal and I own a fuck ton of guns.

Don't generalize OP.
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>>5438678
>No you have a whole folder of opinions.
h-here we go!!! Let's start with violent crime rates in other countries where self defense is against the law.
>Point is, you don't really need auto assault weapons.
We have a bill of rights not a bill of needs.
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What? Your question assumes something that may not necessarily be true in all cases. Did you not watch the DNC when the Governor of Montana talked down Mitt Romney for making gun license fees more expensive? This should be indicative that trends are not absolute statements about all members of a group.
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>>5438678
Need is an incredibly relative term. I want an automatic weapon because i am a law-abiding citizen who pays taxes, and as per the constitution i should be allowed to own a fully automatic weapon.
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I LOVE GUNS! Greenparty here. nb4 hur dur hippy bullshit...fuck hippys...
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>>5438707
3: going to the range to enjoy the fruits of my labor by practicing my chosen hobby - guns
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>implying it don't support both
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>>5438683
This
It wasn't until the 1900s that it was incorporated
Don't like the gun obscenity laws in your state move
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But I support all the amendments of the constitution. I don't know what to call anti-gun advocates, but it's certainly not liberal. When gun laws are liberalized, it means they're eased up and it's easier to own one. The right to bear arms is a cornerstone of classical liberalism. Actual liberals aren't your enemy, gunfags.
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>>5438800
>he doesn't know about the federal mandates for gun control
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Because the 2nd amendment is bad and the 1st amendment is good.

So conervifags, why do you believe that the constitution is immutable and eternal, and then scream your support for things that are amendments to it, and not part of the original document?
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>>5438819
Then why do the most liberal states tend to have the highest levels of gun control?

And why is gun control literally on the party platform for the democrats?
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I live on a Native American Reservation...damn tribal goverment got a hard on for gun control. I can't even keep it in my car, unless its unloaded and a case with a lock. We have very simliar Gun laws to Kommiefornia. Hell, the moment I step off the Reservation and into NM I get brotier gun laws...tl;dr Nativefag we have shitty laws about guns...I love em...wish I had me a BABBYCOPKILLINASSULTRIFLE RIGHT NOW
Captcha: Roscoe's itiAlbb
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>>5438850

>forgetting about amendment process

Read a history book.
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>>5438678
Well, I guess you don't "need" those video games you enjoy playing either then...
>>5438707
You don't know jack shit about home defense. anyone who is knowledgeable in weaponry will tell you a shotgun is the best for home defense.
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>>5438819
>Doesn't know the difference between American and Classic liberalism
>Tries to talk about American politics and laws
Get out.
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>>5438684

>implying it actually works & isn't coming apart at the seams
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>>5438739
Are there any liberals in here that are still ignorant? I have a folder full of "lol opinions" that are ready to educate your ignorant asses. I need you guys to make a claim or else I am just posting random facts.
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>>5438982
see
>>5438654
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>>5438986
Correlation does not equal causation.
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>>5438982
>Babby's first troll.
the 100 million gun owners in america who have never committed a crime disagree.
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>Supporting a rule from over 300 years ago
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>>5439011
True, but like I said I need people to make claims to I can refute them with actual evidence.

Please don't waste my time with your feelings btw, and please backup your claims with legitimate sources.
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>>5438343 (OP)
>>5438343 (OP)
>Implying a libfag like me doesn't support the shit out of the second amendment.

If the government was only able to keep one it'd be my number 1 choice. Armed societies are polite societies.

If I didn't have my personal armament I'd shoot myself.
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>>5438833
I oppose those
I don't have a problem with states banning guns or speech
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>>5439079
I guess those silly concepts of due process and free speech should go too.

But the samefag trolling needs to go, faggot.
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>>5439084
Your claims are nothing more than a string of correlations which you mistakenly assume are causation. There are a thousand reasons why crime goes up and down, guns are not the cause of crime reduction.
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>>5439079
so using that same logic, the entire bill of rights is no longer valid, right?
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>cities ban guns altogether
>gun crimes continue
>crime as a whole rises
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>>5439133
Prove it bitch nigga

I haven't even posted anything since that first pic with violent crime rates, and you are already making claims about information I haven't posted. You aren't helping your side much.
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>>5439133
Then watch any prison interview about gun control, thieves admit they target areas with tight gun control because their dirty guns are immune to the laws.
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>>5439171
You are claiming guns reduce crime. You must prove that it was the guns reducing those crimes and not other variables. Or is this babbys first troll?
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>>5439128
Im fine with some rules being kept however these were made in the 18th century. They dont always have to be kept sacred

>Implying theres any freedom left in America
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>>5439205
>You are claiming guns reduce crime.
Sorry misunderstanding.

I claimed that lax gun laws do not cause an increase in crime. I did not claim that more guns means less crime.
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The Founding Fathers had guns that took 30 seconds between shots. I don't think they were thinking about crazy neighbor Bob with an Uzi.
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>>5439205

They're such an ideal crime deterrent that cops actually advocate the populace to be armed.

also vid related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGFZDhCjvj0

You think Tyrone's going to hold up a liquor store KNOWING the Koreans inside are armed to the teeth?

Lest we forget the L.A. riots.
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>>5439149

Right, it's long overdue revision
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>>5439257
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>>5439264

Guess we should revise the first amendment. That Mohammed video? Anything that can hurt someone's feelings must be banned, because people can die because of what someone says.
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>>5439284
Forgive me if this is a strawman, but is that image (and by extension you) advocating we NOT have free speech?
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>>5439312
No,
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>>5439257

And the 4th amendment was never meant for a post 9-11 world.

See how dumb you sound right now?
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>>5439284
women and blacks didn't have voting rights until we amended the Constitution.
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>>5439257

Wrong faggot. The Framers were smart. They knew humanity was going to advance technologically. That's why the document is written the way it was.

For before there were muskets there were swords and bows and arrows. Before those, sticks and stones.

I guess they didn't think we would have high speed communication in the future, we need to go back to the paper and quill.
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>>5439372
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>>5439285

Well given that incident occurred overseas in a foreign sovereign nation the arrogance of your implication that the US bill of rights is somehow global is quite simply staggering
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>>5439372

>we need to go back to the paper and quill.

B-B-BUT MUH OCCUPY WALL STREET PHOTOS
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>>5438869

>Then why do the most liberal states tend to have the highest levels of gun control?

Those aren't liberal states, those are Democratic partisan states, learn the difference; just like, red states aren't conservative states, they're Republican partisan states.
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>>5439410
I don't care what people in other countries think. This is how we do it in America, and if anyone has a problem they can suck on my machine gun.
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>>5439458
forgot pic
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>>5439285

If you're hiding behind the first amendment to deliberately inflame hatred (or indeed just maliciously attack someone to hurt there feelings) then you're not really fit to live in society.

You imagine the founding fathers stumbled upon the first amendment to allow people to deliberately incite hatred & stir up ethnic tension?

If you abuse & misuse something you should have it removed, just as you would with a child
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>>5439458
>>5439482
goddamn it
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>>5438879

No, we don't need Injuns with guns, you guys are dangerous enough with just the firewater. Now open a casino and get off the reservation.

OK, racism aside, I'm part Native, but my ancestors married up with whitey 120 years ago and never looked back. I suggest you dump the reservation and the tomahawk and assimilate, get you a white wife, and in a few generations you'll be one of us. That's where all the Natives went, btw, we weren't really all killed, most of us just had ancestors who saw which way the wind was blowing and shacked up with a honkey, and it's not too late for you to do the same.
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>>5439504
>If you abuse & misuse something you should have it removed, just as you would with a child

Except that's not how this country works retard.
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>>5439504

Are you suggesting they were inciting a riot?

Protip: you can look at someone cross-eyed and they'd get offended. People are already arrested in the UK for making "offensive" Twitter posts.

And it all comes down to double standards. it's not like evangelicals are rioting because of the Amazing Athiest.
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>>5439504

>Jew makes a stupid, shitty film
>Muslims get offended overseas after seeing Europoor news REPORTING on it

Guess we need to gag the media. They had a hand in this too you know.
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>>5438343 (OP)
Liberals hate most of the Constitution, including the First Amendment unless they are using it for their own purposes.
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>>5439410
>Well given that incident occurred overseas in a foreign sovereign nation the arrogance of your implication that the US bill of rights is somehow global is quite simply staggering

The US Bill of Rights are considered to be inalienable human rights, so they should apply to everybody everywhere.
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>>5438707
>a pistol is just fine for that

you done goofed

Also, you forgot one: nigger riots (ex: Rodney King riots). Automatic weapons would be perfect for those.
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>>5438707
Luckily I do not need a legitimate reason to own a gun.

And rightfully so.
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>>5439645

So America just thinks they're in charge of telling everyone what to do

Oh wait you do (& look at the fucking mess we're in)

PRO TIP - There is no such thing as an inalienable human right
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>>5438936
shotguns are not good for home defense.
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>>5439801
>So America just thinks they're in charge of telling everyone what to do

No, just in charge of what happens in this country. I will insult the prophet Mohammed, and I will own guns. If anyone has a problem with either they can suck my cock.


MURRIKA!!!!
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>>5438343 (OP)
>usp
>mahnigga.jpg
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>>5439840
Much like anything it depends on the scenario.

People in apartments frequently buy shotguns for home defense as it is less likely that shot will travel through a wall into a neighbor's residence.
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>>5438707

You forgot one key point. The case of WSHTF and the government declares martial law on your ass. What are you going to defend yourself with when you have a government militia armed with their own government issued M4s? Go ahead, use that little 'peashooter' you call a pistol, we'll see how long you live. As for me, I'm mowing them down with a .50 cal whether the government approves or not. This is why assault rifles should be allowed, to deter the government from thinking they can control us. The purpose of the second amendment is not "for hunting" and "home defense". The purpose is to protect yourself from a just as well armed government and to create a MAD within the very walls of the country itself. A civilian population that's just as well armed as its government can rest assured that neither will attempt to subjugate the other.

By the way, this goes for all forms of bombs as well. If I have the knowledge and resources to build a nuke, you're damn right I'm going to own one. Will I use it? Only if the government comes after me with intent to kill and I have no other means to defend myself. Therefore it would only be used as a last resort as I would know my life would be coming to an end at that point in time. What of the people nearby? Believe me, if I had the means to build and utilize a nuke, I'm not going to be living anywhere near a city, that's for damn sure.

>people thinking the government should own better weapons than its people and saying the second amendment is only for the purpose of hunting and home defense

You forgot to mention WHAT we were defending ourselves from, dipshit.
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>>5439801
>PRO TIP - There is no such thing as an inalienable human right

So you don't think there are certain rights that all humans should be afforded, among those life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? What a tyrannical monster you are, so people should be subject to the whims of whatever government whose territory they happen to be in?
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>>5439892
i am sorry man your wrong. youtube shotgun Dry wall test.
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Socialist librul here.

I always tell other liberals that if you don't support the 2nd amendment, you can't call yourself a liberal. The very word means freedom, and you want to take a basic freedom (self-defense) away?
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because niggers.
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In Japan, you dont have the right to bear ANY weapon. There are 200 times less homicides and murders there. Related?
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>>5439967

Truth hurts don't it bud
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>>5440172
You must be a sad, sad person.
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>>5440172

You'll eat those words later down the road. It's already too late for a creature like you to understand.
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but I do support the 2nd
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>>5440172

We weren't talking about the way things are, but the things we believe should be true. That's what ideology is, son. We know there aren't actually any inalienable human rights, but we believe there should be and do what we can to see that there are.
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>>5438343 (OP)

>Liberals
>Supporting the firs amendment

Choose one.
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>>5438739
You know, after 'Source:' should follow an actual source. Not necessarily saying your little graph there is wrong, but i'm saying it's wrong.

Filename only makes it so much worse

wait, is that a meme? am i being trolled
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We clearly deserve the right to bear nuclear arms as individual civilians.
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>>5440458

Why not?
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>>5440458
I don't have a problem with owning nuclear weapons.

I have a problem with using them to kill lots of people.
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I'm a leftist and I don't own guns but I suport the second amendment
If the government bans guns, then that will just create a black market for them same as drugs
I think guns will be more dangerous to society if they are illegal
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>>5440501
because it is taking away resources.
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>>5440565
how that? criminals are selling them anyways.
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>>5440604
then its better for law abiding citizens to own them as well
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I don't really care either way but the 2nd Amendment is useless unless the common folk manages to get their hands on tanks, planes, and artillery. Not to mention an extensive intelligence network.

And on the other hand, guns make it a lot easier to kill people.
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>>5440661
i meant the companies selling them are criminals.
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At most I think people should be permitted a handgun, and bolt action rifle. Otherwise it kind of takes out the sport of hunting, unless the deer are shooting back.
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>>5440732
ok you lost me
are you saying gun companies are selling weapons to criminals?
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>>5440815
no, sorry. Im saying, most gun manufacturing companies are involved in criminal activities. Fuck english grammar.
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>>5438343 (OP)
you are a fucking idiot to interpret the constitution word for word in the 21st century

the 2nd amendment means my local neighborhood watch can own nuclear weapons

no one is going to take away your guns you bible humping rednecks. i enjoy guns as much as the next person but you need to shut the fuck up if you try to bring the 2nd amendment into arguments on why california has 30 round magazine bans and similar things
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>>5440114

Japan doesn't have a large enough nigger population to justify it. They're also bound to their dear emperor and live in a bubble mostly segregated from the rest of the world. While there is SOME 'diverse' people there, it doesn't increase Japanese tensions amongst them. It may also have to do with decades of radiation exposure from the nukes we used on them. We've probably done enough mental damage to make the majority of them docile. You also forget that rape over there is simply another way of saying "herro" and is widely accepted.
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>>5440907
They're also a relatively homogenous society.
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>>5440907
I wonder, if your balls are small enough to justify that statement.
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>>5440952

>muh dick
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>But but you don't need x gun!

More people die in car accidents then in shootings, why don't we ban cars.

>BUT ANON WE NEED CARS TO DRIVE HUR

Then why are people allowed to own cars that can exceed the speed limit then? Isn't that more then what you would reasonably need? Lets just start banning everything.
/sarcasm

Liberals.
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>>5440898
>you are a fucking idiot to interpret the constitution word for word in the 21st century

Maybe it shouldn't be down to interpretation?

Maybe it would be better if it were a clearly written document?

Maybe a badly written 200 yr old document isn't relevant to 21st century life?

Maybe American society is too fractured to be able to deal with it so carries on wading out into the lake of shit instead of turning back?

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