Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)18:59
No.4801777

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)18:59 No.4801777

Forced redistribution is theft.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)18:59
No.4801781

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)18:59 No.4801781

hurr fuck the gubment everything should be free to everyone karl marx was right !!!11

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)18:59
No.4801782

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)18:59 No.4801782

OCCUPY is the Modern Hippy Movement.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:00
No.4801792

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:00 No.4801792

Modern Politics
>Liberals who want a social safety net and fair distribution of wealth vote for corrupt Illinois politician who implements a mandate to purchase from corporations
>Libertarians who want a free market vote for corrupt mormon businessman who wants protectionist measures and border control

Sometimes I look at America and weep

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:00
No.4801800

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:00 No.4801800

>>4801782
Except the hippy movement actually accomplished something

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:00
No.4801801

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:00 No.4801801

>>4801777

Theft is not always wrong or unjustified. The more you know.

They want to steal back what was stolen from them to begin with.

OBAMA 2012 BITCHES
08/12/12(Sun)19:01
No.4801804

OBAMA 2012 BITCHES 08/12/12(Sun)19:01 No.4801804

>>4801781

Hurr durrr FUCK THE POOR

OBAMA 2012 BITCHES!
08/12/12(Sun)19:02
No.4801823

OBAMA 2012 BITCHES! 08/12/12(Sun)19:02 No.4801823

File: 1344812524394.png-(52 KB, 500x370, guns1.png)

REMEMBER GUYS,GUNS DONT KILL

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:02
No.4801834

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:02 No.4801834

obvious fag. Look up Voluntaryism.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:03
No.4801846

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:03 No.4801846

>>4801777

>[I]t would […] be highly questionable whether [Robinson Crusoe] has a right to keep the full produce of his labor when some shipwrecked mariner needs his surplus food to keep from starving.

>In actual society no one ever thinks it unjust that a wealthy old bachelor should have part of his presumably just earnings taken away in the form of a tax for the benefit of other people's children, or that one immune to certain diseases, should be taxed to support hospitals, etc.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:03
No.4801848

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:03 No.4801848

People who dislike capitalism are fucking retarded. I make no exception for this.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:03
No.4801849

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:03 No.4801849

>>4801754
Country with the 8th highest gun-related homicides per population. Jamaica being number 1.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:04
No.4801855

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:04 No.4801855

File: 1344812655326.jpg-(115 KB, 960x600, ron paul starve the poor.jpg)

According to conservative logic, the more money the rich have, the more there is to trickle down to the rest of us. But the more money that trickles down to the rest of us, the less money the rich will have. So for trickle-down economics to work optimally, the rich should get all the money and then just keep it

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:04
No.4801859

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:04 No.4801859

>>4801738
OP doesn't know jack shit about economics if he thinks capitalism is bad.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:04
No.4801861

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:04 No.4801861

The only respectable part of the Occupy movement within the U.S. is Occupy Oakland; and that's because their idea of protesting is not sitting in a park, sipping Starbucks and browsing a Mac laptop.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:04
No.4801867

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:04 No.4801867

>>4801823
If hammers aren't tools, then why do so many workers bring them to work.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:05
No.4801872

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:05 No.4801872

>>4801823
Technically speaking artillery and aircraft are by far the biggest killers in warfare. Infantry only really exists to capture ground and support the other assets nowadays. Has been that way since the end of WW1.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:05
No.4801877

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:05 No.4801877

File: 1344812715747.jpg-(14 KB, 180x246, 1343174836023.jpg)

Does this mean occutards are obama supporters?

The hypocrisy is killing me

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:05
No.4801878

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:05 No.4801878

>>4801855
Criticizing an isolationist is like calling you neighbor a hermit because he doesnt camp out on your lawn and break your windows.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:05
No.4801886

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:05 No.4801886

File: 1344812730001.jpg-(186 KB, 1067x612, Fuckn ron paul.jpg)

>>4801859

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:05
No.4801890

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:05 No.4801890

File: 1344812752392.jpg-(4 KB, 125x106, deal with it.jpg)

I got a great idea! What if all of the rich people occupied the buildings where poor people congregated?
And then shit all over the parks?
Then called the police on themselves and had fox news film it all? It would be hilarious. The police would be in on the prank as they pretend to taze the rich. When in reality, they are all actors eating in front of those starving scumbags.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:08
No.4801898

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:08 No.4801898

>>4801878
>hurf durf EVUL IMPERIALISTS RON PAWLLLL 2012!
That's not even a remotely correct analysis on the criticism of isolationism.
i.e. You have no real substance to your argument.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:08
No.4801906

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:08 No.4801906

File: 1344812911244.jpg-(6 KB, 193x135, index.jpg)

>>4801890

Democrats would be so outraged, they would vote for a Republican candidate out of spite. Have covert dis-info agent Michael Moore direct this shitstorm.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:08
No.4801908

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:08 No.4801908

>>4801886

>this is what people who aren't libertarians actually believe

Thanks for helping me reaffirm my positions.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:10
No.4801929

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:10 No.4801929

File: 1344813019465.png-(280 KB, 400x389, 13100679.png)

>>4801886
>Racism is a business' right.

But it is. It's called freedom of association, you self-entitled failure at life nigger.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:11
No.4801953

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:11 No.4801953

>>4801929
>You
>Stormfag
Pick both.
MUH FREEDOM M-MUH RIGHTS HOW DARE YOU NOT LET ME DISCRIMINATE

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:12
No.4801966

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:12 No.4801966

>>4801886
To think that artificial regulation is better than market regulation is the pretense of knowledge.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:12
No.4801980

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:12 No.4801980

OWS in a nutshell

OWS was started by Adbusters, a Canadian magazine that really hates Nike and similar companies. They have been doing these protests for years and only a few hundred people ever turned out for them.

The original OWS message was asking "Wallstreet got their bailout, which they used for executive bonuses and $60,000 office renovations. Where is the bailout for the other 99%".

-This was the same question asked in the early tea party protests. It was a fair question asked by both the right and the left.

-When the media spotlight hit, the entire thing turned to shit and it became "The 99% hate the 1% because they are rich and stuff".

-It turned into a massive street party as it spread across north America. No leader emerged and no real message was embraced besides "being poor is suffering. Give us money!" The real protesters bailed after the first week, leaving behind bored college kids with their iPads and recreational drugs.

-Somehow topics like slavery emancipation and women's rights got mixed into these misguided gatherings. None of them really knew why they were there anymore.

-Winter came and most of them went home, ending the nationwide protests because their toes were cold and they ran out of places to charge their laptops.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:13
No.4801990

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:13 No.4801990

>>4801966

Market regulation? Decentralised order? WHAT IS THIS SORCERY? THEY DIDN'T TELL ME ABOUT THIS IN SCHOOL.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:13
No.4801994

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:13 No.4801994

>>4801953

When a wild nigger starts prowling your lawn at night with the intent to rape and maraud your family, you better believe you're going to desperately want the right to discriminate you so bitterly deny others.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:13
No.4802000

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:13 No.4802000

>>4801966
MARKET IS INFALLIBLE
Explain the great depression please.
>Inb4 not a free market or central bank failure
Just because Freedman said it doesn't make it true.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:15
No.4802022

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:15 No.4802022

>>4801994
>Nigger prowling your lawn with the intent to rape.
Just because a black person walks across your lawn doesn't mean he's gonna rape you.
Also, if you attempts to enter your property, you are allowed to ask him to leave you know, that applies for ALL races. See, equal.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:15
No.4802025

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:15 No.4802025

File: 1344813333805.jpg-(45 KB, 500x328, free market fascism.jpg)

MUH FREE MARKET

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:16
No.4802041

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:16 No.4802041

>>4802000
Friedman knows a lot more about economy than you do.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:16
No.4802049

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:16 No.4802049

File: 1344813394617.jpg-(38 KB, 500x425, a.jpg)

>>4802025

>thinking America free market

How dumb can you be?

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:16
No.4802051

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:16 No.4802051

>>4802000
debating is very easy when facts are dismissed. Explain the rapid growth during the Industrial Revolution.
>inb4 wage slavery and shitty working conditions
Just because Marks said it doesn't make it true.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:16
No.4802055

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:16 No.4802055

>>4802000

You're right, it doesn't mean it is true, but that is true. Government intervention in the market is what causes market instability. The market is self-correcting, I'm really sorry that you don't understand this.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:17
No.4802061

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:17 No.4802061

>>4802041
That's why his economic policies failed right?

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:17
No.4802065

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:17 No.4802065

>>4802022

>Just because a black person walks across your lawn doesn't mean he's gonna rape you.

Certainly. But it is statistically more likely, and so a presumption in favour of it is a reasonable precaution to take.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:17
No.4802067

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:17 No.4802067

>>4802025
Free market capitalism wouldn't have let those houses be built without a demand or expected demand.

Democrats created the housing bubble by championing a false affordable housing crisis. Same thing with rent controls, good intentions, bad consequences.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:17
No.4802075

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:17 No.4802075

>>4802025

But that's not free market capitalism.

Please, please, please, tell me, I have to know, are you really this retarded? Do you actually believe things like this?

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:18
No.4802088

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:18 No.4802088

>>4802061
Just shut up. The Great Depression was a result of an artificial increase in the money supply. Hoover started a series of policies that prolonged the recession. The roaring twenties was nothing more than a bubble of prosperity and the great depression the bust to the boom.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:18
No.4802089

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:18 No.4802089

>>4802055
Uh no, the market was incapable of recovering due to all of the capital being unavailable for the re-investment in business.
Waiting for the market to fix it resulted in nothing but worsening of the situation.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:19
No.4802104

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:19 No.4802104

>>4802088

It was a decrease in the money supply

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:20
No.4802125

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:20 No.4802125

>>4802088
Actually Hoover was an incompetent moron who did next to nothing, then when it was in a full depression, attempted a few useless stop gap measures.
Had he acted sooner and with much greater commitment, could have avoided the depression all together.

OBAMA 2012 BITCHES!
08/12/12(Sun)19:20
No.4802128

OBAMA 2012 BITCHES! 08/12/12(Sun)19:20 No.4802128

File: 1344813641609.png-(185 KB, 500x454, hate speech.png)

since when is hate speech free speech? Why do republicans feels so compelled to defend bigots,racists,and homophobes?

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:20
No.4802133

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:20 No.4802133

>>4802089
The unemployment rate was down by 2 percent from peak before the new Deal.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:21
No.4802136

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:21 No.4802136

>>4802089
>Uh no, the market was incapable of recovering due to all of the capital being unavailable for the re-investment in business.

What are you even talking about? You have to realize why there wasn't capital to be available. We had/have low interest rates which discourages savings and productions, or "investment."

>Waiting for the market to fix it resulted in nothing but worsening of the situation.

Medicine tastes bad but you have to drink it.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:21
No.4802139

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:21 No.4802139

>>4802065
No sense in arguing with those of which have no reason.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:21
No.4802144

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:21 No.4802144

>>4802128
Because bigots a 100 years ago are conservatives now. Free speech = progress.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:21
No.4802145

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:21 No.4802145

>>4802128

Because you don't have a right not to have your feelings hurt. Cry more, whiny libtard.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:22
No.4802147

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:22 No.4802147

>>4802125
Republicans shunned him for all of his anti-laissez faire policies.

Roosevelt completed destroyed the US economy with his policies. Roosevelt's policies contributed to our financial collapse today.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:22
No.4802148

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:22 No.4802148

>>4802128
Why do you want to defend niggers, kikes faggots and muslims ?

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:22
No.4802158

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:22 No.4802158

>>4802104
I hope you're not serious.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:23
No.4802159

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:23 No.4802159

The cops killed off the occupy movement so that election-related news wouldn't have to compete with occupy-related news for mindshare.

After the protestors were forcibly removed, legislation was passed to prevent people from freely congregating in public places, preventing the movement from coming back.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:23
No.4802160

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:23 No.4802160

>>4802088
Then he got stonewalled by congress, and FDR continued his policies. Now the US think FDR is some sort of hero.

Also, the contraction of the money supply, and the over extension of credit characterized by a complete lack of savings. (the same thing that preceded 2007-2009)

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:23
No.4802161

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:23 No.4802161

>>4802147
>Roosevelt completely destroyed the US economy with his policies.
I also assume that you want to go back to the gold standard and eliminate the central bank too don't you?

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:23
No.4802167

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:23 No.4802167

File: 1344813818636.jpg-(37 KB, 609x480, trayvon1.jpg)

GUNS DO NOT KILL,GUNS SAVE LIVES. DEPP DERP! I WANT TO FUCK AYN RANDS CORPSE

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:23
No.4802169

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:23 No.4802169

>>4802160
yeah my bad.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:23
No.4802171

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:23 No.4802171

>>4802158
But that's what it is you half-wit.
It's not even debatable, do you even know what a depression is?

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:24
No.4802182

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:24 No.4802182

>>4802167
trayvon attacked george zimmerman. listen to the full phone call.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:24
No.4802189

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:24 No.4802189

what ows started out as and should have stayed
>holy fuck, guys, look at all of the corruption in our government and the incestuous relationship between finance, corporations, and government.

what ows became
>hurr capitalism is evil smash the patriarchy check your privilege white man you don't get to speak

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:25
No.4802202

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:25 No.4802202

>>4802171
thought you meant that the current depression was. I got confused. I made the mistake of typing increase instead of decrease, and then when you commented, I thought you mean the current depression was caused by a decrease.

STRAWMAN THREAD! !pnHWMHMZ1A
08/12/12(Sun)19:26
No.4802212

STRAWMAN THREAD! !pnHWMHMZ1A 08/12/12(Sun)19:26 No.4802212

File: 1344813987168.jpg-(42 KB, 450x252, occupy.jpg)

>Anti Capitalist (Pro Communist)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avG4LgTF0ho
>Pro Obama (aka His Excellency)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDgxHDgvos8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFVR9Nv43J4

Yep, nothing new here.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:26
No.4802213

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:26 No.4802213

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMGoB01qiA

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:27
No.4802227

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:27 No.4802227

>>4802213
it was only a matter of time

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:28
No.4802239

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:28 No.4802239

File: 1344814087496.jpg-(55 KB, 400x469, distribute fists.jpg)

>>4802167

trayvon committed suicide by cholo...

pic somewhat related

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:28
No.4802242

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:28 No.4802242

>>4802213
Peter Schiff is a moron.
>Muh gold standard
>Muh central bank
>Muh pseudo-science.
At least post Friedman, I disagree with him, but he at least is grounded in reality.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:29
No.4802269

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:29 No.4802269

>>4802242
you would be disregarding an entire school of economic thought, then.

Friedman was right in many instances, as is Schiff.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:31
No.4802293

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:31 No.4802293

>anti-capitalists
>WHY DO YOU HATE OTHER PEOPLE
>WAHH LOOK AT THESE BENT STATISTICS
>*HISTORICAL REVISIONISM*
>STRAWMANS, STRAWMANS EVERYWHERE

>pro-capitalists
>Deconstruct the opposing argument
>Consistently disclose the facts
>Remain calm in the face of unwavering and unreasonable antagonism

Nothing new to see here folks.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:31
No.4802303

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:31 No.4802303

>>4802227

It is merely the daily reminder on how clueless OWSers are.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:32
No.4802314

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:32 No.4802314

Not a biased irrational image at all OP! You seem like an open minded free thinking individual!

STRAWMAN THREAD! !pnHWMHMZ1A
08/12/12(Sun)19:34
No.4802338

STRAWMAN THREAD! !pnHWMHMZ1A 08/12/12(Sun)19:34 No.4802338

File: 1344814445155.jpg-(53 KB, 482x599, 1305691816589.jpg)

>>4802293
You just hate the poor
>HUURR DUURRRR GO DIE POOR PEOPLE, I'D SAY DIE IN A DITCH BUT I AIN'T FUNDING NO DITCH SO JUST DIE ANYWHERE!
You monster.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:34
No.4802342

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:34 No.4802342

Can any of the OWS people actually express their views logically? Like, what do you want the government to do to solve the problems this country has? Are you unaware that we don't have any money? The government is broke, and taxing people in order to pay for social programs will just exacerbate every problem we have.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:34
No.4802344

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:34 No.4802344

>>4802269
I don't disregard Friedman, I just disagree with him.
>Austrian
>School of economic thought
How about no?
Schiff is about as right as a broken clock, he gets it eventually.
As for Friedman his theory succeeds where Keynesism would, in that good economic times are well... good and you shouldn't be spending then. His attitude of letting the market settle things like the Housing Crisis would have resulted in a depression by almost any accepted standard.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:35
No.4802361

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:35 No.4802361

>>4802338
why would lower income families die?

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:36
No.4802371

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:36 No.4802371

>>4802344
I said you're disregarding the Austrian school. It shows how much you comprehend.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:37
No.4802391

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:37 No.4802391

>>4802371
I'm saying that Austrian isn't a school
Chicago and Keynesian schools are the only schools that bring something to the table in terms of actual economic thought.

STRAWMAN THREAD! !pnHWMHMZ1A
08/12/12(Sun)19:37
No.4802396

STRAWMAN THREAD! !pnHWMHMZ1A 08/12/12(Sun)19:37 No.4802396

File: 1344814648911.png-(188 KB, 512x512, 1305690865515.png)

>>4802361
Sarcasm my friend, I was being facetious.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:39
No.4802422

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:39 No.4802422

>>4802391
what about historical?

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:39
No.4802434

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:39 No.4802434

>>4802361
But in the land of reality the rest of the world lives in, they would die with no assistance.
I'm not sure that's what you're saying, but if it is, that's dumb.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:40
No.4802443

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:40 No.4802443

>>4802344
You do realize why the housing crisis happened in the first place, right?

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:40
No.4802459

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:40 No.4802459

>>4802434
why would they die prematurely without government assistance?

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:42
No.4802479

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:42 No.4802479

>>4802443
That is completely and utterly irrelevant to the situation to be honest.
I mean, who cares how it started, its about how you allow it to end.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:44
No.4802519

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:44 No.4802519

>>4802479
deflation and the gold standard.

STRAWMAN THREAD! !pnHWMHMZ1A
08/12/12(Sun)19:44
No.4802521

STRAWMAN THREAD! !pnHWMHMZ1A 08/12/12(Sun)19:44 No.4802521

File: 1344815084555.jpg-(39 KB, 458x458, 1289442176043.jpg)

>>4802479
>That is completely and utterly irrelevant to the situation to be honest. I mean, who cares how it started
Tthose who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:45
No.4802539

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:45 No.4802539

>>4802459
If you really want me to, I'll go find all the statistics, but it comes out that America, the worlds most charitable nation on the face of the planet, with ALL charity going to helping the poor would only be able to foot the bill for somewhere around 1/3 of all State Assistance.
Remember that a lot of the current charity goes overseas and to other causes, so this is taking it all and applying it to this.
There is no way as to which people would be able to cover the costs of social safety nets.
>inb4 they would donate more without the taxes
There are also greedy fucks who wouldn't, betting odds are the donations would stay the same as they are now.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:48
No.4802591

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:48 No.4802591

>>4802521
I'm not saying that you can't go back post-fact and address it, however, in a choice between depression or recession, that is irrelevant.
For instance, company reputations are still hurt (I refuse to deal with anyone except J.P. Morgan) Regulations can be put on, and fines can be issued, government policies on loans changed.
But at the time, none of that matters.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:50
No.4802628

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:50 No.4802628

>>4802539
red herring. you didn't answer the question. all you did was show that charity spending is less than government assistance.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:52
No.4802675

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:52 No.4802675

>>4802591
But it does. Why would you spend more money propping up a system that will continue to distort the market and cause even more problems down the line?

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:52
No.4802691

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:52 No.4802691

>>4802539

Do you ever consider why state assistance is necessary, or even exists? It's interesting because in the past people were generally able to pay for the shit they wanted and needed, but now, in the age of the ever-expanding government and overbearing interventionism, there are more people who 'need' public assistance.

But no, understanding all of that would be too inconvenient, let's just say poor people need more free shit and be done with the debate.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:53
No.4802703

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:53 No.4802703

>>4802628
Well correlation can't be that hard for you to establish right?
>Title 9 eliminated= Less housing available
>Medicaid eliminated= Less health care available
>Student Loans eliminated= Less economic opportunities available to low income students.
etc. etc.
These lead directly to circumstance that would shorten live-spans. (No medical care can do that to a person)

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:54
No.4802716

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:54 No.4802716

>>4802591

So you are acknowledging it's the government's fault? Which then justifies government intervention to solve the problem, causing the next problem, which then justifies government intervention to solve the problem, causing the next problem... you see where I'm going with this.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:54
No.4802726

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:54 No.4802726

>>4802703
so much fallacious things in one post.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:55
No.4802742

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:55 No.4802742

>>4802691
>Oversimplify argument and put words in my mouth.
Its almost like when liberals scream Racist to end an argument

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:56
No.4802748

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:56 No.4802748

>>4802726
Prove me wrong faggot.
>inb4 burden of proof on me
You called me the liar.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:57
No.4802776

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:57 No.4802776

>>4802742

But that is the implication of your argument, and that is the inevitable result of a welfare state.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:57
No.4802778

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:57 No.4802778

>>4802748
you're not looking at the cause of these things. The cause it debt, consumer overconfidence, inflation, taxes, state-reliance, etc.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)19:58
No.4802817

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)19:58 No.4802817

>>4802716
I'm saying it CAN be government's fault, it isn't infallible, it would be stupid to think so.
The problem could be government intervention that was the problem, meaning that is removed.
There is also government intervention that is needed i.e. deregulation under Reagan that lead to a recession.
See the point now?

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)20:00
No.4802852

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)20:00 No.4802852

>>4802817

I see your point, but you're wrong, government intervention is not needed, the market self-regulates.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)20:01
No.4802873

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)20:01 No.4802873

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You whiny marxist faggots can't even into economics, just leave the internet forever please.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)20:04
No.4802917

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)20:04 No.4802917

>>4802675
Here's where YOUR magical market comes in.
A business that is on the brink of going under has probably already lost a decent sized market share and reputation. With the competition now being restored as well, they are again forced to compete at a much higher level, as well as allowing for it to go under, seeing as the other sectors of the industry will continue right along, without the crushing consequences of them all going under. This affords the time for say a new business to take its place.
Keynesism is not the control of the market, rather the accommodation of one.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)20:06
No.4802942

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)20:06 No.4802942

>OP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v0Zh1i7X0I
/thread

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)20:06
No.4802946

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)20:06 No.4802946

>>4802917
Keynesianism is the steering of markets . . .

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)20:07
No.4802974

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)20:07 No.4802974

>>4801792
>>Libertarians who want a free market vote for corrupt mormon businessman

I weep because of idiots like you who are completely ignorant of opposing views and thus perpetuate my enslavement through ignorance.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)20:07
No.4802976

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)20:07 No.4802976

>>4802852
Except when it doesn't.
I don't advocate constant government interference, and as it stands 9/10 business's still go out of business even in this current age of "not a real free market"
There are times when government interference is necessary, when capital has reached the point where it is in the great depression, you can't just sit back and pray to the god of free markets to fix it, that didn't work then, and wouldn't of worked today.

Anonymous
08/12/12(Sun)20:07
No.4802980

Anonymous 08/12/12(Sun)20:07 No.4802980

>>4802128
>hate speech is not free speech
Yes it is
I'm not going to allow the feeling police declare what people can and can't say