>CP is the only crime you are not allowed to own photos of.
I wonder why murder/death/kill vids are more legal.

You would think sites like Rotten would be taken down as often as other "legal" sites like 12chan

Because those pictures were not taken without consent, those children are traumatized. Imagine it happened to you and people shared it and fapped to it.

They only reason why anyone would own CP is if they have an interest in it. You're either humiliating children, sex slaves, or dead people.

I know the other side of the story for someone like you. It's not your fault you're born this way and I can't imagine what it would be like if i never got to look at grown woman pornography. I feel pity that you're cursed like this. Born to be hunted by the police

I'm not a pedo, but I think this should be treated like the war on drugs in the sense that the source should be punished with a felony and the mules should be slapped with a misdemeanor.

Like the war on drugs, you can't stop the German Amish from trying to make abortions illegal so they can have more under-aged kids to rape. I blame the Jews for allowing Germans to do sick things like this.

>>443841
Good point, I never thought of it that way.

>>443844
I am not a pedophile, but neckbeards on 4chan saving the pictures to their hard drives and fapping to them cannot add to the pain of being raped as a child.

>>443811

Yeah bro,totally.Why don't you post some cp pics in this thread.

>>443870
I think it would definitely add to it. But not all these pictures are pictures of people that were "let go"

>>443873
Because I don't own CP, nor do I have any desire to own CP, nor would I post it if I had it, for I came here to argue about politics, not share pornography.

>>443886
To own and look at pictures of adults being raped is legal. Why should it be illegal to own and look at pictures of children being raped?

>>443886
Even if it did, the guilty party is still 100% the abuser, as the viewers are not committing any intrusive harm whatsoever.
Consider: Someone beats someone up at school, and it gets videoed and put on youtube. This is additional humiliation for the victim, but the person responsible is still the initial attacker, not the viewers of the youtube video.

>>443907
I'm pretty sure pictures of "real" adult rape is not legal.

All child pornography is rape

>>443937
So you're saying. If you got beat up at school which is not such a big deal. But if people taped this and put it on youtube and 1,000,000s of people made fun of you. You'd like this?

You'd go to school next day and everyone's seen the video and starts to make fun of you. You'd like this?

You have aspergers if you cannot understand the social intricacies of life

>>443943
I don't know of any law against pictures of adult rape. Could you please show any evidence that owning pictures of adults being raped is illegal?

>>443943
By what mystical psychic mechanism could that possibly be the case? Suppose someone has child pornography of a child who has since died, is owning that pornography now magically raping the child from the future for when he was alive?

No. The whole thing's nonsense, and I'm with you totally OP. Child pornography that hasn't been paid for should be legal.

>>443954
You have aspergers if you think me blaming the attacker means I'd like it.

>>443956
They died because the person who took the pictures probably killed them. If you don't feel any guilt about this there is something wrong with u

Because implicit support of a crime is not wrong at all even though it's not as bad as express monetary support of a crime?

And you are aware that it is illegal to buy/own snuff and real rape videos, OP?

>>443960
>You have aspergers if you think me blaming the attacker means I'd like it.

no u do

>>443811

sounds good; bring that viewpoint up at a PTA meeting and see if you need life support afterwards

>>443965
Why should anyone but the murderer feel guilty for a murder he didn't commit?

>>443943
>All child pornography is rape
You can have conceptional sex when you are 13 in many countries.
Say a 14 year old falls in love with a 20 year old
Say that she is not a virgin, has had sex many times and wants to fuck him
That's not rape, even if they take pictures during the act.
In the US, it would be illegal though.

>>443965
The guilty people are those who actually caused the harm. You can watch "New York's Wildest Cop Chases" or whatever on TV, and see an act that is violent and has real victims, but you the viewer are not suddenly guilty of anything, nor is the TV station guilty of anything. The guilt lies entirely on the person who is actually causing the harm.

>>443980
because it's a human emotion called "empathy"

>>443943
>All child pornography is rape

That's a blatant lie.

Hell, kids photographing themselves naked are accused of producing child pornography nowadays.

>>443987
well its rape here because we're civilized

>>443978
Freedom of speech is a civil right. Civil rights oppression and intimidation is a crime punishable by death. Those people at the PTA could be lawfully put to death in a federal prison.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000241----000-.html

>>443973
>I blame the person who actually commits and act of violence.
>You say this means I enjoy violence

And I'm the one with aspergers? You have no logical thought ability whatsoever.

>>443993
empathy means you personally feel guilty for every crime that is ever committed? catholic fa­g detected.

>>443993
I feel sad if I look at Holocaust pictures or pictures of genocide all over the world.
But I still don't think the pictures should be banned, illegal and not allowed to be posted ANYWHERE online or otherwise because the victims might feel bad.

Logically speaking, I think the act should be banned, but not owning evidence of the act.

>>444006
Your country is filled with pregnant 10 year olds.
Not sure how civilized you think you are...

my university paper recently had an article about how viewing pornography leads to worse things like bestiality and rape. gotta love these christfags

>>443993
Empathy is sharing the feelings of another. Believing oneself responsible for a crime one knows himself NOT to have committed is not empathy but insanity.

>>444024
Guess you're a sociopath like most of the people that go to this board

>>444030
It's just not right to make it legal for people to own pictures of cp so they can fap to them. You talk about it as if you get knowledge about something by owning these pictures. The only reason someone that's not a pedophile would own any of these pictures would be because they're someone with a mental disorder that makes them archive everyhting they see, they didn't put it on their computer, or it's in their history from browsing 4chan.

There is no reason anyone should have pics of cp.

>>443811

Children cannot consent to sexual activity with adults. Child pornography presents children being abused. Such images are not legal because the images are harmful to the person portrayed. Even if the victim is dead or anonymous, the images are still harmful to the family of the victims, harmful to children who may view the material, harmful to adults that do not want to see children victimized. The images present human behaviors that have no societal value. It has nothing to do with "being paid for" or supplying financial support to a industry that victimizes.

We are getting to dangerous territory with what is CP and not.

Camwhoring is not CP nor is it rape.

Nor is anything animated, but despite that, people in Australia and Canada have been arrested for owning CP when they have shit like loli cartoons and Simpsons porn.

They banned some Japanese show from airing in Canada because one 1000 year old Vampire was bitten when she was 8 or something, so despite being very mature, she looked young, so the entire show was CP despite having no nudity and being exactly like the Twilight.

>>444050
you're fucking retarded

>hurr ddurr I fap to pictures of a girl that was chopped up later I'm totally normally and I have a conscience

Actually there's one other condition I'd put on the OP's suggestion. As well as paid-for child pornography being illegal, child pornography where the demand has been made known to the abuser should remain illegal.
I could well imagine an abuser uploading something, knowing that there have been 200 or whatever downloads, and this spurring him on to further abuse. You could argue that the downloader would have no way of knowing if demand was being passed on, but in a situation where this remained illegal, but other child pornography was legalized, I could imagine sites coming up to ensure legality in download.

>>444060
There is no reason anyone should be imprisoned for an act that does not harm or threaten the property or person of another.

>>444063
>harmful to children who may view the material
Then either ban the entire Internet or put an age-label on it.

>>444082
Good point, but I think that already falls under solicitation of crime. Downloading a picture from a site like 4chan without giving any feedback to the poster of CP does not encourage him to rape children.

>>444085
Well I never said you should be imprisoned. Did I? A pedo should only be imprisoned if they harm someone themselves

But I think you should look at the moral issue with owning CP

>>444063
Those are some pretty crappy arguments. In the vast majority of cases the victim or family of the victims wouldn't have a clue that someone had downloaded images of their child. And who cares if it has no societal value? Neither does mountain climbing. Some people find it fun, and if it's harmless (which it is) we shouldn't waste tax payers money and jail space locking them up.

Keeping child pornography illegal also distorts the judicial process massively. Suppose most people coming before a court have downloaded mountains of child pornography, but never done anything else, and then one person comes before the court having abused a child, but not downloaded any child pornography. Suddenly this last person doesn't seem as comparatively bad, even though he's the only one to have committed an actual crime out of all of them, and a very serious one at that.

>>444087

No need to ban the Internet. Destroy the child pornography instead.

>>444108
Owning CP is immoral, but it should not be punished with imprisonment. Under current U.S. law, owning CP is punishable by many years imprisonment. That is a moral outrage.

Im a humanitarian so we need to protect teh children and stop all cp
and send all pedos to jail
were they will be raped and hopefully murdered herp derp

>>444108
Everything harmless cannot be immoral.
Everything consensual cannot be immoral.
Everything unintrusive cannot be immoral.

Owning child pornography is a question mark on all three.

>>444120
>Don't ban the Internet. Just censor it instead!
Fuckyou

>>444133
Except owning a file on your computer is not hurting anyone.

just sayan

>>444151
I know. That's what I was saying. Child pornography can be defended on all levels. You can argue against the idea that it's harmful, you can argue against the idea that it's unconsensual, you can argue against the idea that it's intrusive.
The only things that should be illegal are harmful, intrusive, unconsensual activities, and child pornography is way way far off meeting those criteria.

One of the big problems with child porn is that its completely black and white. What I mean is that having a picture of a topless 17 year old is considered to be just as bad as having a picture of a young girl being molested.

>>444117

Saying that the argument is "crappy" is not a valid counter argument.

Your contention of some "vast majority of cases" has no basis in fact. It is your own personal supposition.

Your subsequent argument that "the victim or family of the victims wouldn't have a clue that someone had downloaded images of their child" is not relevant based on the fact that the child may know that he or she was abused and the event was recorded, and the family, likewise. Whether the material is downloaded or not, onto your computer, does not take away from the fact that the material was produced and the crime has already occurred.

Your rather foolish question: "And who cares if it has no societal value?" can be easily answered by "The people who live in society who contribute to determining the laws". This is why if you are found to have child pornography, you will be prosecuted; and perhaps killed in prison by people who vote in other ways.

Your argument that the sexual abuse of a child is somehow compatible with "mountain climbing" is ludicrous. You also counterargue your own point by stating that "Some people find it fun", so it does have societal value.

Finally, you equate child pornography with something that is "harmless (which it is)" and something that "we shouldn't waste tax payers money and jail space locking them up."

I would contend that jailing people who victimize children for sexual thrill and money is worthwhile to society, or at least, the society I choose to live in.

Maybe my taxpayer dollars will jail you up someday. I would support that.

>>444135

The actual statement was:

"No need to ban the Internet. Destroy the child pornography instead."

This is hard on you as a pedophile, but life is a series of compromises, and sometimes, for you, imprisonments.

>>444208
If I save some child pornography that is on 4chan, then how on earth do you suppose the victim and their family finds out about this? It's just an absurdly implausible suggestion.

You're exactly right with "the crime has already occured." Whether or not someone downloads it IS irrelevant. The blame is 100% on the abuser, and not the downloader.

People who download child pornography don't victimize children. The children have already been victimized. The people who download child pornography are as guilty of harming a child as someone who watches "cops" is guilty of driving through a cornfield.

>>444208
The last sentence gives away your pathetic, sickening childishness. You want me locked away just because I have a different view? Fuck you. Your only moral code is to harm people who happen to be different from you. You are a despicable individual for supporting such fascism.

>>444229
This is hard for you, a person without any logical thought, but you can not remove one item from the Internet. You can hope that people won't post it, but that's as far as your personal power over the Internet is.

UNLESS, you censor the Internet.

It would be great for those that hate getting spams of CP on 4chan every once in a while, but if start removing and censoring, it won't stop with the things that you don't like.

I'm not for owning guns and in fact I hope that we will live in a world without guns, but I would fight to the death the rights to bear arms. And you talking about removing CP from the Internet would probably cause more damage to your personal rights then aid in the rights of children that have been molested.

Hey guys, since we are banning offensive images...

Um, can we ban pictures that Scientologists and Muslims find offensive?

Calling someone out on their bullshit is clearly public rape and it's humiliating.

>>444133

Child pornography is not harmless. The child is harmed, by definition, and the event is recorded.

Child pornography is not consensual, by definition.

Child pornography is intrusive to the child.

Owning child pornography is not a question mark, but instead, it is illegal in most societies that value their children over the sexual needs of a subset of their adult population - adults who are pathologically narcissistic and have no concern but for their own needs, similar to the typical rapist persona.

>>444182
not true in UK courts theres a scale going from nude kid pic all the way up to hurtcore/bestiality CP. Anyone getting caught with CP of any type is screwed though as local papers will name them, they'll be mentioned in the national press/tv news, prison will segregate them with the rapists and grannybashers. once they're out theres little chance they'll get a job, their family will probably have disowned them and they now have contacts with other pedos and nothing to lose, bit of a problem those last two.

>>444151

Owning a file on your own computer that is child pornography is illegal in most countries.

Just sayin.

>>444281
Of course the child isn't harmed by child pornography. By what magical psychic process could that happen?

It also is consensual, as the only people involved are an inanimate server and a downloader (who has consented). It's as consensual as picking up rubbish that someone had dropped hours ago.

And obviously it isn't intrusive in any way. The child could be dead for christ's sake. The paedophile isn't intruding on the child from the future.

>kid seeing sexual image
>damaging

i started fapping when i was 8... and stayed up late to watch softcore porn in tv, thank god for the 90s!

>>444281
>it is illegal in most societies that value their children
This alone makes me think we should ban all unapproved memes.
The Star Wars Kid for example is an individual that was bullied and his life destroyed because his exploits became viral.
If we are thinking so much of the welfare of others, then why can't we criminalize non-CP pictures that have cost mental abuse to the people involved?

>>444281
The only thing I hear is appeal to emotion.

>>444275

"you can not remove one item from the Internet. You can hope that people won't post it, but that's as far as your personal power over the Internet is."

It's not "personal power." It's organizations like the FBI and Interpol removing items associated to the people who post them on the Internet by removing the people and putting them in cages, and then destroying their computers.

I expect that process continues until one side wins out over the other. Since pedophiles survive by hiding under a veil of anonymity, like roaches in under a garbage can, revealing identity is sometimes enough to stop the behavior.

No censorship is necessary.

It does not damage personal rights.

The pedophiles get beat up pretty bad in prison though.

>>444242

"If I save some child pornography that is on 4chan, then how on earth do you suppose the victim and their family finds out about this? It's just an absurdly implausible suggestion."

It has nothing to do with finding out. It is simply illegal, depending on the society.

>>444351
>the law is always just
Yeah...no

why is gore okay but not CP?

No-one is getting hurt, but you have obtained material which is illegal, you have not reported it to the police, you have stored it on your computer. There is no way to tell whether you paid for it or not since child pornography purchases aren't exactly on the record.

The reason the sale and distribution of child pornography is illegal is because children are generally hurt mentally and physically in the process of making it. Demanding videos / pictures of these things happening creates a market for the people who perform it. Whether you pay for it or not doesn't really matter, and there is no way to tell. So all child pornography is banned, regardless of the way you obtained it. Furthermore if you do find child pornography anywhere online you should consider it your civic duty to report it to the police.

>>444339
>It does not damage personal rights.
Yeah, except call a guy that's never raped anyone in his life a child rapist and destroying all of his chances at a normal life.

But that's what he deserves for saving pictures, I know.

But if you honestly think, that one day you will live in a world without CP, then you are wrong.
1) CP has been around since the dawn of modern-society
2) The age of consent is different in every country, what's legal one place will be illegal in other places
3) Like the War on Drugs, it will be an endless task locking up people that will never actually hurt anyone for as long as possible.

>>444267

Your odd statement of "You want me locked away just because I have a different view?" appears to disregard my explicit provision of "if you traffic in child pornography." Child pornography is illegal in most societies. People who traffic in it should be locked up.

Your statement that "Your only moral code is to harm people who happen to be different from you." is an over-generalization that is too abstract. It could be better stated: "Your society will imprison people who traffic in child pornography". This latter statement has more definition and clarity.

Your mention of "You are a despicable individual for supporting such fascism," also over-reacts based on your own generalization, which I presume, is some kind of ego defense against not having a bad attitude towards yourself.

>>444366
Gore in the sense of movies / pornography made with lots of blood etc. etc. is not illegal because there is nothing happening to anybody in it. Nobody has been hurt in the process of making it or will be hurt in the future. You may claim there is the same degree of depravity involved, but in the end you can't arrest people simply on the basis of their depravity (One reason why making animated child pornography illegal is silly).

Snuff pornography on the other hand, is illegal.

>>444387
>Furthermore if you do find child pornography anywhere online you should consider it your civic duty to report it to the police.
How do you report CP on 4chan without saving the pictures and putting yourself in mortal jeopardy.
I'd rather just ignore it and NOT get raped in jail for being a pedo when I'm not.

>>443844
Holy shit the moralfagging is strong with this one. I'm sorry to hear you were raised in a very orthodox christian family bro. Enjoy humping your bible and praying to god every evening.

Legalize stuff like LS Magazine, go after actual penetration pics. Yound vaginas aren't ready yet, but how could a pic be harmful so long as they aren't getting raped on the side?

Which, unfortunately, probably goes on behind the scenes of my beloved LS.

>>444444

>>444427
>Snuff pornography on the other hand, is illegal.
People that have no problem saving mpeg files of people being crushed under cars and Mr. Hands will not save CP knowing that it's illegal.

All of these moral rights are also fitting with bestiality.
The Animal has no consent over it and is being abused.

Yet, I can easily find Bestiality without even looking on mainstream video porno sites, like PornHub or YouPorn

Is this a moral oxymoron?

>>444467
Those are morbid videos / pictures of accidents, not intentional killings for the purpose of producing a video to sell to other people.

At the end of the day, opposition to owning child pornography is an emotional one, and not a logical one. Society will have to mature a lot more before it is legalized, because until that point, most people will just come out with the retarded assumption that owning a picture of something makes you guilty of whatever the picture depicts.

>>444397

>>except call a guy that's never raped anyone in his life a child rapist and destroying all of his chances at a normal life

If the accusations against the man have no basis in fact, then this contention is of course true.

>>But that's what he deserves for saving pictures, I know.

If the man is "saving pictures" of child pornography then he is entitled to being prosecuted and imprisoned for an illegal act. He, as an adult, would also be capable of understanding the ramifications of his actions, and the tendency for people in his society to react in a broadly negative way.

I'm more of a lolicon guy. There is no chance that anyone was harmed sexually in the making of drawn girls, and fapping to them means you aren't raping anyone.

It's the best thing ever!

But if you own it, aren't you encouraging its production?

Without demand for a product, there will not be a supply.

>>444483
Yes, it is. Bestiality is similarly illegal, and so supposedly are the videos of it. It is just that people don't REALLY care about animals the same way they do about people, and it gets considered just a fetish and is ignored.

If you ask me though, bestiality shouldn't be illegal :D

>>444541
yes, as I said in an earlier post, this is the main logic behind making child pornography illegal.