Addicts of any sort should be exempt from free healthcare.

Fuck them.

>drinking alcohol of any kind.
That excludes most people. Don't go that far

Entirely falls apart when you look at how you would monitor such a system.

You do realise that smokers save nationalised healthcare service's money?

>>442714
> must not participate in smoking or drinking alcohol of any kind

So no one will be eligible? Besides, when Perry decided to drug test welfare recipients, it stirred up a shitstorm. Intruding on peoples' lives on mundane stuff like this is a no-go.

>>442729

Government overseen exercise sessions. The alcohol shit is excessive though.

>>442741

Poor welfare recipients don't like being drug tested because a large portion of them do drugs.

>...and must not participate in smoking or drinking alcohol of any kind.
The tobacco and alcohol lobbies just killed your bill.

I pay for my "free" healthcare with taxes. I will get any treatment I wish from being completely reckless. I've paid for it so I will use it.

>>442789

Tobacco lobby can probably be defeated. Alcohol, not so much especially since it's (rightly) still not viewed by the public and by politicians to be as dangerous as cigarettes or drugs.

>>442795
But you haven't paid the full amount. Someone who looks after their health perfectly and avoids as much risk as is humanly possible is paying more than their fair share... they're paying their cost plus your recklessness that increases the average cost.

If you weren't as reckless then the other person's premium would be lower, through no change in behaviour of their own.

>must partake in at least three one-hour exercise sessions per week
>hambeasts will find a way to have exercise defined as "walking around a track very slowly"
>then they go to McDonalds right after and have two Big Mac meals

>>442814
>especially since it's (rightly) still not viewed by the public and by politicians to be as dangerous as cigarettes or drugs.
...except alcohol is objectively one of the more dangerous drugs out there, recreationally or not. Your average frat boy can easily hit the LD50 in one sitting and die. In comparison, you can smoke as much marijuana as you want in one sitting, and the worst thing that will happen are unsatisfiable munchies. If you think alcohol is any different in terms of damage than cocaine, for instance, you've been misled.

Still, drinking is fun, and I'd be a liar if I said I don't like getting drunk.

>>442714
>People who exercise at least three hours a week for 40 weeks a year get an income tax credit and home gym equipment can be written off. Alcohol and tobacco products have additional sin taxes of 50% that go directly to the national health care slush fund. Fast food meals are required to be calorically appropriate and nutritionally complete, with no dumping of tons of HFCS, sodium, and grease into the products to make them more appealing.


ftfy.

>>442814
Alcohol less harmful than tobacco or drugs? Are you trolling or are you trolling?

Enjoy your systemic organ failure, morbid obesity, gross physical incoordination, and hypertension, drunky. Also, let me know how those seizures go when you try to quit.

>must not participate in smoking or drinking alcohol of any kind

Have fun with rising crime rates because people cant smoke or drink.

>>442780
> Poor welfare recipients don't like being drug tested because a large portion of them do drugs.

Surprise: they actually don't.

>>442897
Thanks

>>442740
No it doesn't, which is why the UK gives doctors incentives to get their patients to quit smoking. They might die sooner than the average non-smoker, but they end up costing them more.

Your argument is as retarded as saying that the death penalty saves more money than lifetime imprisonment.

>>442906
>>442890

Let me elaborate. Alcohol in moderation is less harmful than tobacco in moderation. It's certainly much better than meth or heroin.

Consider this:

Citizenship as a right to be earned

One obtains citizenship through some act that proves your efforts to help the nation state and society.

a) A number of years in the public sector (police, firefighter, bureaucrat, soldier etc...)
b) Making a number of pieces of art or entertainment that is enjoyed or appreciated by society
c) Create an invention or research paper that advances knowledge in some way
d) Creating a profitable business venture or community service or something

Only citizens can vote and run for office.

Citizens otherwise have the same rights and priviledges as civilians.

COME ON YOU APES YOU WANNA LIVE FOREVER!?

>>442933
Oh for fucks sake. Why do dipshits like you have to carry on promoting their bullshit when they clearly haven't seen any evidence to back it up. In February 2008, the UK Daily Telegraph looked into this exact phenomena, and the stats show that an average person of normal weight costs national healthcare funds £210,000, an obese person costs £187,000 and a smoker only costs £165,000.
Smoking and drinking alcohol and generally living a poor lifestyle saves the government healthcare programs money.

>>442954
From one study:
>the point estimates suggest that obesity increases health care costs 36 percent and medications costs 77 percent, compared with being in a normal weight range; twenty years’ aging increases service costs 20 percent and medications costs 105 percent; current or past smoking increases service costs 21 percent and medications costs 28–30 percent

From a study in the New England Journal of Medicine:
>Health care costs for smokers at a given age are as much as 40 percent higher than those for nonsmokers

But keep quoting the fucking Daily Telegraph if you want.

how about we don't restrict personal freedoms and instead restrict businesses ability to market things to us which will destroy our health? Ban tobacco, limits on sodium in food, tax breaks for low fat foods, tax breaks for gyms. We could also promote healthy grocery foods instead of fast food

>>443022
both those studied take for a given age. This is why they come to the wrong result, because smokers and obese people will die younger, which is where the money is saved. An average healthy 72 year old will cost a lot more than an average 72 year old smoker, because an average 72 year old smoker will already have died.

>>442913
source?

Poor people use the most drugs, thats a fact.

>>442913

You're honestly going to try and tell me that poor people on welfare aren't often drug abusers?

>>442714
This thread is vile in its stupid infancy, antidemocratic rethoric and intrusion of peoples right to privacy

I refuse to work out.Why should I have to? There is no reason I should have to go jogging to get my food stamps, this is an unconstitutional law and a massive violation of freedoms

>>443153
naaah,

middle and upper class use the most drugs,

the amount of coke getting smoked on wall street rivals the entire intake of most american ghettos

>>443178
> antidemocratic rhetoric
Thats because democracy has been shown to be an ineffective joke of a system. We would be better off with a junta of soldiers drawn from the common man instead of this disaster.

>>442789
>implying big tobacco has any influence/power these days

>>443153
>>443159
Google florida's welfare drug testing program and be awed by the result.

Hint: The program isn't catching enough people to pay for itself...

>>443193

Poor people choose easier to access drugs that are cheap, such as Meth, Weed or Prescription drugs.

I work in a Pharmacy, you wouldn't believe the overwhelming amount of people who come and pick up opiates that are on welfare. Always the same "hurr back pain" excuse too. And you bet your ass that if the meds ever don't completely cover the cost, they somehow scrounge up money for it.

>>443224
Haven't you seen the recent smoking regulations bill passed by Obama and co-written with Altria?

How about no? So you're going to take my money from me and only give it back to me in a form that I may or may not want if I change my life style Fuck off, statist scum.

>>443180

I don't think that the constitution guarantess you food stamps.

Feel free to quote the part of constitution (or an amendement) that proves me wrong.

>no physical contact sports allowed
>no "extreme sports" allowed
>no free treatment if you're in a car wreck and the on-board black box shows you weren't wearing your seat belt or were driving 1MPH over the speed limit

You want to control me? I'm going to make damn sure you're controlled too.

>>442949
>>b) Making a number of pieces of art or entertainment that is enjoyed or appreciated by society

I foresee a problem. Pic related.

>>443022
>>implying the NEJM isn't just as biased in the other direction

Fuck this. I have the perfect solution: Everyone dies at 30. Nobody has time to develop any bad diseases. Everybody wins.

>>443350
Logan's run?
I love that movie.

Impossible to monitor. How about judging eligibility by body fat percentage? Any man with over 25% or a woman with over 32% lose their healthcare benefits.

So, if I chose not to exercise I don't have to pay for your shitty government health insurance. I'll take that option.