What about Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Hong Kong?

it's becoz o' da white oppressa!

>so technologically, culturally and financially inferior to Western nations?
>Asian

Dohoho.

>>442443
All occupied by white people at some point in their history which brought them up from being backwards idiots to developed status.

Japan occupied by the USA after WW2.
South Korea Occupied by USA as well.
Taiwan was a Dutch colony and Hong Kong belonged to the UK.

Need I say more?

Because they were robbed by the colonial empires. I think everyone knew it OP.
But today this gold is run out and both East, West and Africa are in the same situation.

Do you know who I blame? The Jews.

>>442469
That's bullshit an you know it. There are so many countries with no physical or material resources worth stealing but still managed to make it big time.

Australia was basically robbed of everything and was used as a useless prison colony. Yet they are doing so well in the modern world.

South Africa had nothing and the only African nation to be worth anytihng because it was run by white people.

the thing i like most about free speech is i don't even have to know shit about history in order to have an opinion on it

>>442461

>from being backwards idiots to developed status.

For western standards that is.

Give a hammer to a white, he'll build a civilisation
Give a hammer to an asian, he'll make other hammers.
Give a hammer to an arab, he'll beat his wife with it.
Give a hammer to a nigga, he'll kill a white with it.
Give a hammer to a j00, he'll sell it to the nigga.

>>442484

I don't think that Australia or South Africa are more advanced than China or India.

>>442484
literally anyone could have done the same thing if they had the extensive maritime trading empire of britain

>sack Rome
>build a civilization out of religion
>oppress everyone else

>why are white people so good?!

Only Sub-Saharan Africans are inferior. Of all the populations in the world, they are the only ones who have no traces of neanderthal DNA. Of all populations in the world, they have the lowest IQ's. DNA mapping shows all other races are fairly close together genetically, blacks are the only one way off the map, almost their own animal from the rest of the world.

Jews, Arabs, Asians, blah blah, don't care what we do together with them, but breeding with blacks is mental suicide. Accepting their DNA into the world gene pool is dooming future generations to a third world African nightmare.

>>442499
>China
>Advanced
>Pic related

Come on, they cant even build shit properly without it falling down.

>>442538
What are you talking about?

Clearly that's the new glorious communism inspired sideways mud condominiums. Mao himself would be proud.

>>442538

Are you joking me? Any European house after such a fall would become a pile of concrete.
Ancient Romans were the last Europeans who knew how to build things.

>>442538
>Still perfectly intact

The capitalist foundations ruined it.

The 2 major factors are technology and war.

1: Technology widens the gap, you have countries which are pretty much still medieval while the rest of the world surges ahead in the industrial revolution.

2: Hobbes was right pretty much, society is like a machine and a society in constant turmoil is broken down and economic progress will be stagnant.

>Why are Asian, African and Middle Eastern countries so technologically, culturally and financially inferior to Western nations?
Why are Americans so deluded and uneducated to imply shit like that?

Also
>anyone culturally inferior to USA
you didnt mean it seriously, did you?

>>442538
Is that some destroyed building? More resources they need to build another. +50 million to the Australian economy.

I think the real question is why did the renaissance happen in europe and nowhere else as before that we were just as simple as the rest of the world afterwards we shat greatness

>>442495
Give a tribe to a Turk, He'll make asians built a Great Wall, take arabs and niggers in his armies, save jews from whites, and destroy white one's so called great civilization.
Problem white boy?

>>442571
>you didnt mean it seriously, did you?

There's a reason America is the world's most powerful country.

>>442717

yes. because american soldiers are the most cultured.

>>442736
>Implying soldiers from other countries comprise of doctors, lawyers and intellectuals.

If not then your soldiers are just as shitty.

>>442602
You are ppoor stink turk! You live in a hovel HAHAHAHA you live in a yurt.

Historyfag here.
Really it comes down to Geography.

There is a reason the Middle East was essentially the birth place of civilization, easy tamable animals/beasts of burden and incredibly nutritious and easily manageable crops. When people spread out to the east and west, they followed pretty much the same latitude so the crops could be grown in the same climate, this is why you find most major civilizations just above or below The Tropic of Cancer.

In many other people didn't have access to the animals or the crops so they had to spend most of their time gathering food so they could survive, unlike in Europe or Central Asia or The Middle East where you had enough food to not only easily survive, but support people who did other things, like research technology.

You must also remember that many "poor" countries today were not so poor in the past and are only that way because of colonization. Take the Aztecs and Mayans for example, huge, powerful, rich and advanced civilizations wiped out by by a literal handful of Spanish, or the African Kingdoms wiped out by French, Dutch and British colonists.

If you want to see an example of this happening in the modern day, this is a picture of a school in Afghanistan in the 1970s.

I can't stand people like the op. Makes my blood boil. These nations have gone on for generations existing and living their lives as God intended them to do. Not invading other people's lands and robbing from them, polluting the waters or the earth, causing death and destruction amongst other nations all to build smog infested vehicles and Burger Kings on every corner.

And here we have over privileged fags like the op:
>HURRRRRR Y R NO OTHER NATIONS ADVANCING LIKE WE R?!?!???!
>UNCONTROLLABLE LANDFILLS? WHO CARES WHEN WE INVENTED IPODS WHY ARE YOU SO FAR BEHIND TECHNOLOGICALLY?!?!
>WHO CARES IF WE TORE DOWN THE RAINFOREST AND ARE FUCKING UP THE ECOSYSTEM, WE CARS AND EXPRESSWAYS NOW
>GREEN HOUSE EFFECT? WHO CARES WHEN WE INVENTED MCDONALD'S
>Y R OTHER COUNTRIES SO FAR BEHIND? WAIT A MINUTE I NEED MORE OF YOUR RESOURCES LET ME START A WAR WITH YOU AND STEAL THEM

You're like a god damned typical loud mouthed American who cares for no one but himself, regardless if it brings death and destruction for those around him. America is gonna be like the next Atlantis: what once was a thriving nation full of technological progress will soon be nothing more than a forgotten fairy tale. Meanwhile, those poor nations you speak of will continue to exist. Perhaps those poor nations aren't trying to be apart of the pointless dick waving contest that America casts itself in, but just simply want to continue to exist.

Totalitarian states. Military ones at that. When Saddam Hussein was ruling Iraq for example, no new schools were built because all the money was going to the military. Just look at the differences between North Korea and South Korea for Christ's sake

Debt. In the 1980's interest rates sky rocketed so now we have most of Africa spending half of their GDP on paying off interest instead of hospitals and schools.

The poverty cycle. Someone born in Somalia for example, there will be a 50% chance they will die before they reach 5, and if they survive, they will either spend there whole life farming their own food or forced to join some warlord as a child soldier. In the West, 99.9% of babies will live beyond 5 when they do 99.99% will receive a decent education.

The West. Europe colonised most of Africa for a good 400 years, stopping growth and any development, because they leached all they had to fuel their empires and Industrial Revolutions. They had pretty decent empires before they were invaded. Our fortune is on the back of slaves in one way or another. When they DID gain independence, the Europeans also had to take away all of their businesses which dominated pretty much ALL of their markets.

If we leave Africa alone, stop flooding their markets with cheap grain, giving out endless food aid and stop their debt, they can have their own space to develop.

Also:
>India
>China
>South Korea
>Japan
>Inferior
>lolwut

>>442804
>>Aztecs and Mayans
>>Advanced

See, that's retarded. They were organized, politically complex societies more sophisticated than anything you'd see south of Songhai. But in terms of material technology, they weren't even bronze age (which can be explained in a Diamondian fashion, etc.)

Also:
Intelligence differences: Real and relevant to the modern world. Not so relevant at explaining historical inequalities, as high intelligence is relatively easy to evolve given 1 or 2 thousand years, or lose given a day with Timur.

>>442855
That's a ridiculous excuse to say that western nations stole everything. Look at Hong Kong, Singapore and other nations that have little to no natural resources to take away and are as far as they are today because of Western intervention.

Sure colonization may be a convenient excuse 100 years ago, but seriously, the other countries spend over a century fucking about in porverty of their own making?

>>442856

Considering the incredible obstacles in their way, its frankly astounding that they even developed agriculture, much less complex urban societies, writing, mathematics and astronomy. Do you have any notion what a huge achievement that was for a society so completely isolated from the Old World, living in a fucking JUNGLE? Writing was invented all of about five times, this is not a trivial development.

>Asian, African and Middle Eastern countries so technologically, culturally and financially inferior to Western nations?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_empires

And read about each of them too.

>>442951
Are you butthurt enough you can't read people's full posts? I said it "can be explained in a Diamondian fashion." Care to hazard a guess as to what that means?

>>442971

That you're a racist who discounts their achievements because they aren't white? Even by the standards of the Old World, the Maya were extremely advanced (metallurgy notwithstanding)

>>442432

>when all the developed advanced nations in the world are run by white people, you can't really argue against the fact that there is something superior about that.

Pic related.

>>442852
>>442852

>Luddite faggot detected

Get out of the internet back to the cave and wait for the first asteroid to put you out of your misery. Technological progress is all that matters in the long run. We must spread to other planets and ensure survival of humanity.
Oh, and god does not exist.

>>442992

Half white. Also, you're dreaming if you think he runs anything.

Guns, Germs, and Steel. Also it depends on who quickly a nation adopts modern models of capitalism.

>>442852

>Meanwhile, those poor nations you speak of will continue to exist.

You mean the ones infested with niggers dying of AIDS?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4008293090480628280

Here you go OP, a documentary on why in some places Civilization failed and why it flourished in Europe, Asia and Central America.

>>442992
>>442992

>>442990
(Insert swear words)
Discounting their achievements? No, more like excusing their failures. Are you some kind of MECHA moron or something?

In any case, the most unusual thing they did was domesticate teosinte. That's god-tier. Everything else was humans being humans- ie. alternatively angelic and demonic, awesome and retarded.

>>442852

Atlantis never existed and the people you seem to think are so good for not advancing their technology would be more than happy if they could gain everything we have.

>>442999

Good book, but not without flaws. For one, Diamond is deeply committed to environmental determinism, meaning at best he presents only half of the picture. This leads him to some nonsensical conclusions, such as "India failed because it was disunited" and, simultaneously, "Europe succeeded because it was disunited".

>>run by white people
>>run by white people
>>white people

Is never about race, colonization of Asian nations were a big thing in the past, first world nations wanted to get all those resources from those countries where no government was involve. Look at India how Britain came and fucked them up, but look at them now.... is never about the race and what white, brown or yellow people have done.

>>443008

Many societies made the leap from savagery to barbarism, very few took the extra step and achieved civilization. And even fewer invented writing, let alone did so in isolation from other civilized and proto-civilized peoples: In fact, I can't think of a single other example other than Sumeria itself. For much of Mesoamerica's history, it had a higher culture than Europe, denying them the title of advanced is just baffling.

>>443013
I think the real explanation is more like: India failed because it was in the tropical disease zone. That's what causes all of the other things that put India behind China and Europe in the technology sweepstakes. Things like:

Caste system
Always losing to steppe barbarians.

>>442432
Asian ? No
Africa? OK maybe, but that is not saying much.
Middle East? No.

Fuck you European shit, I'm fucking disgusted I know this shitty ass language.
And no , I am not thankful, had my ancestors murdered yours , We would have an advanced civilization.

So fuck you you pretentious fucks.

>>443030
Yep, you're just butthurt.

Say somebody starts a one-mile race after everyone else has completed half a mile. Even if he runs faster than the others, he's still behind. Get it?

>>443042

Possible, but then you have to explain why Europe succeeded despite the feudal system, the Huns and Mongols, the Black Death etc etc. Also, why did China succeed, when it too has a largely inhospitable geography, to say nothing of the Mid East, which is both inhospitable and largely unsuitable for any kind of cultivation?

>>443054

I'm not claiming the Maya were the most advanced civilization ever to exist, but claiming they weren't advanced simply because there were societies that were MORE advanced is retarded. Name another society that invented as much as the Maya did (rather than simply learning of such advancements from neighbors and adopting them)? The Sumerians, arguably China, maybe Minoa if you're being generous.... and then nothing until the renaissance / industrial revolution. By any standards at all, the Maya were an advanced civilization.

>>443042
>Steppe Barbarians
example please?

>>443030

actually, the alphabet was only invented _once_ -- all existing alphabets are descended from it.

i think in Akkadia (near Sumer).

very close to today's Hebrew alphabet although it was the phonecian version that spread the most.

>>443091

He probably means the Aryans and Mughals.

>>443096

Yes I'm aware, which is why I said writing, not alphabet. Also, I understand current thinking attributes it to either the Canaanites or to the Minoans, most likely inspired by the Egyptian pseudo-alphabet, Akkadian / Sumerian was never alphabetic.

Watch and learn: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4008293090480628280

Also, ask read Max Webers work on rationalisation. And Habermas.

>>443056
>>Possible, but then you have to explain why Europe succeeded despite the feudal system, the Huns and Mongols, the Black Death etc etc. Also, why did China succeed, when it too has a largely inhospitable geography, to say nothing of the Mid East, which is both inhospitable and largely unsuitable for any kind of cultivation?
>>Inhospitable
I think you partially answered the question. Europe and some parts of China have a more durable ecology. It is harder to turn them into wastelands, like has clearly happened to much of the Middle East and some of the Med basin. Those lands were once green.

Also, you mention Mongols, the Black Death, etc. Just imagine that kind of shit, but more and worse shit happening on a regular basis, and you get India.

So really, the tech sweepstakes came down to Europe and China. It was just a matter of who colonized the Americas and got the potato first.

OP, here's the thing.

right now, european countries are on top. have been for about 300 years.

but for the previous 10,000 years of human history, there hasn't been any clear pattern.

if anything, china tended to have the most advanced civilization most of the time.

having said that, there _are_ more people on earth now than ever before.

so you could argue that Europeans (including the US ,Russia, Australia, etc) have been the most advanced cultures while most humans were alive.

But China is on the move, and India as well, and Japan's a first-world country, so I'm not even sure how long that argument will hold.

>>443108

ah, thank you ; )

>>443116

I'm not denying geography played a huge role, but let's be honest here, geography shapes more than our environment, it also shapes our genes. Living in an inhospitable wasteland, as for example Europe was before the later Iron Age, rewards tough, ingenious people, while living in a land of milk and honey rewards feckless high fertility people. I also dispute the assertion that India had it worse than Europe, certainly in terms of invasions but also in terms of disease. Yes, Europeans who go to India tend to die horribly of some tropical illness, but Indians themselves have high levels of immunity and tolerance to those illnesses, and India is certainly CAPABLE of sustaining high civilization, since it has done so for thousands of years.

It's a mixture of genetical and environmental reason.

Anyone who claim otherwise is shit tier.

Gypsys came from India, they have been in Europe for around a 1000 years yet they still do what they always did: robbing, stealing and leeching off of other people.

There was no adaptation whatsoever. This must have genetic background. All the European cultures changed majorly over a 1000 years yet gypsys culture couldn't. No gypsys cities, no gypsy schools, no government, no modern society.

Also lol who said Africa was rich before the colonization.

Let me tell you something, slavery was most likely developed in Africa, and its the only continent where en mass classic slavery still exists. That should tell you something.

>>443122
>Implying Western civilization is anywhere near on it's way out.

Just get ready for another 10,000 years of western dominance.

>>443122
Japan, China, India is growing because of western influence, nothing more.

>>443142
>It's a mixture of genetical and environmental reason.
>Anyone who claim otherwise is shit tier.

Exactly. Which is why Diamond's boo,k though interesting and often very persuasive, is ultimately lacking as a full explanation.

>>443152
The problem with Diamond's book is (besides him being a backstabbing kike serving the scientific establishment) that he wrote it just because he wanted to make a countrer point to the "genetics are everything" theories. So he didn't even conclude anything which doesn't fit into his theory even though science proved a lot of shit which makes the genetic theorists partly right.

>>443141
>>443142
Look, I agree with you folks that genetics and intelligence is important and that the environment shapes human genetics. I think, however, that it works differently than you're saying. It's not simply tough environment=superior people. Humans create their own cultural environment as well, a cultural environment that can be somewhat predicted from the physical environment and the technological level. This cultural environment will also shape evolution.

Chinese examination system, anyone? Pre-islamic Turkish taboo against literacy?

>>443160
>serving the scientific establishment)

What? Environmental determinism is strongly out of line with current scientific understanding. I think you meant ACADEMIC establishment.

>>443167

>>443141 here. I agree completely. Culture shapes us at least as much as genes, and environment shapes both and is in turn shaped by both. Its all a complex network, saying one thing is definitely THE reason for a regions success (as Diamond and Stromfags both do, in their own ways) is simply wrong.

>>443171
yeah, sorry I meant that

If someone has real interest on the topic, i recommend reading Guns, Germs and Steel, Jared Diamond 1998(Pulitzer for this shit) it pretty much explains OP's question

>>443182
>>Definitely hasn't read the thread.
You're late to the argument man.

>>443176
Good man! Now all we need to do is achieve absolute power in some country and manipulate it into a superior society. (Kidding only a little, I've often fantisized about how this could be done with a realistic grasp of human dynamics.)

>>443196
It could be done with eugenics in any country.

If we force only the intelligent people to have sex with each other (let's say 1 std over the median IQ) after only 20 or so generations prolly they'll be intelligent enough to build a prosperous nation.

The problem with backward places is that the environment prefer aggression over thinking/knowledge, thus aggression lifes while knowledge dies. Aggressive males get the women and make many children who will also be more aggressive etc.

>>443142
>Genetics are everything durrrr

Go get a PhD in genetics and then post.

>>443196

Yes, I've wondered the same myself. I think we need a mature science of memetics before we can do any kind of experimentation on what works 'best', until then its hard to isolate what exactly works from the unnecessary or even detrimental ideas its associated with (for instance, Chinese examination system ensured cultural continuity and high literacy in officials, but also worked against innovation and ultimately held back China when it came face-to-face with Europe).

Contrary to the Anon above, I wouldn't advocate eugenics, since inbreeding leads to all kinds of unforeseen problems. A well-designed society would encourage 'good' genes anyway.

>>443219

Did you miss the part where he said
>It's a mixture of genetical and environmental reason.

>>443219

>>443207
Well, yes, but how do you force a breeding system while retaining the freedom needed for innovation?

One possible dead-end is something like the Indian caste system, with

roid-raging warrior/noble castes (I've met them, they do this even when they're never worked out a day in their lives. They keep grudges and people die.)

Overintellectual priest/clerk castes who simultaneously run the organized crime and espionage (historically). In love with philosophy and math at the expense of technology.

Fairly clever merchant castes.

Butt-stupid peasants and other underclasses.


But if we're speaking of modern civilization, then it's a different game of course. You could have a fairly automated manufacturing base obviating the need for an unsophisticated lower class. We'll always need some people who like working with their hands, but no reason we couldn't make them smart too.

>Middle Eastern
Israel

>Asian
They're getting up there now. Communism and dictators are being thrown away.

>African
They don't respect private property rights.

It's all about leadership in the country.
Take a look at Zimbabwe. A couple of years ago they were exporting food and were not threatened by famine. Now they got a retard as president who thought it was a good idea to destroy the farms for black vs. white reasons and now they are all starving.

Or look at Botswana, that country got a black president 50 years ago who really had the goal to better the country and build a funtioning state. Now they are, despite no direct access to the sea and having one of the worst AIDS epidemics world wide relatively well off, comparable to Mexico.

TLDR:
It completely depends on the leadership of the country. If you got a bunch of retards running your country you can look forward to a famine. If you got decent leadership your country can do good.

The current state of African countries is not a result of colonialism and the people, especially western ones, who believe that are brain dead morons.

>>443501
>It completely depends on the leadership of the country.

And the leadership of your country depends on...? That's right, culture and genetics. Leaders arise from societies, they don't create them, no matter how hard they try to rewrite history to claim that they do.

>>443540

Bullshit, the president who laid the foundations for making Botswana successful was black, the government that is screwing up Greece is white.

>>443657
Were you paying attention to the man's post? Culture and Genetics.

In Botswana people have decided not to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. In Zimbabwe, culture was such that butthurt revanchists gained power.

>>443657
>attempting to use logic on Stormfags

>>443692
>>Implying he was arguing with a stormfag.
You did read the thread, right? Or do you just think in slogans?

>>443704
>Implying the stormfags aren't the only ones who shriek about race from the depths of their warrens