because of corporate money and government corruption

It's not that easy. Each education system in each country has it's own style of learning and structure of learning due to their culture and needs. The United States has already adopted the teach to the test methods from Asian countries such as Japan, South Korea, and Thailand, and it's made our schools worse for the wear.

The right wing is consciously attempting to roll back education and educational opportunity, believing that a population that is less educated is more easily controlled and manipulated.

Because it will be un-American, OP.

Jesus Christ, OP, where is your pride?

>>442503

Whatever you do, don't copy Canada. Take it from someone who worked in their education system.

>>442533
Please, tell me about it.

I dropped out

America refuses to look at the successes of other nations and copy them to improve its own standard of living.

It's some sort of huge cultural taboo.

>>442587
What do you need to hear about?

Indoctrination of viewpoint that firearms are terrible?
Germans are hardcore racists who only live to destroy cultures?
Russians are evil communists?
How white people oppressed natives/women/blacks and owe them more?
How unfair laws are to natives/women/blacks?
How Canada needs more multiculturalism?
How "green" and "environmentalist" views are considered okay to teach?
How we censor the shit out of what we show students?
Or if its post secondary how foreign students are favored over domestic?
How we persecuted the Japanese but no one else?
Teachers can frequently get away with teaching "morality"
New immigrants can get away with almost anything within the school system.
How playing most cardgames are banned?
How some schools SUSPEND students for playing cops and robbers/using fingerguns?


There is just a giant shit-ton of topics wrong with our system.

>>442648

So that's why every Canadian youth I've ever met is a raging leftist moralfag?

>>442658

Pretty much. Hell it starts early too. Like I had to work with a student in grade 4 and walked into the music teacher giving her class a lecture on "morality".

We can't try teaching morality in American schools without someone getting butthurt that the system is being infiltrated by Christfags.

WHY IS THAT LADY CRYING THAT PICTURE?

DOES THE THOUGHT OF ALL THOSE PEOPLE JERKING OFF MAKE HER SAID?

>>442702
>someone getting butthurt that the system is being infiltrated by Christfags.

Some probably would here, but quite frankly things are kept hush-hush. Very political game field education is.

>>442648
>here

Forgot to mention one thing pol might love:

MANDATORY VOLUNTEERING.

No seriously. If you wish to graduate grade 12 in some areas, there is a mandatory number of hours that MUST be spent volunteering. If I recall it was 80 when I finished but may have gone up since my brother left.

>>442386
Because discipline is an anathema to the Dewey and Rousseau worshiping assholes who control the education Colleges. I've worked with them, I should know.

>>442386
I'd like sauce on OPs pic. Pretty please.

>>442932
I found it on /a/, I don't know anything else about it.

The business community owns the American government and thought processes in the general pop.
All they want is some dumbass to run the machines, not smart people.

Why do you think in life everyone is masterbaiting over money.

>>442869
>mandatory volunteering
>volunteering
>mandatory
i don't even

>>442869
That requirement was also there in some school districts in the US.

http://www.vdare.com/articles/pisa-scores-show-demography-is-destiny-in-education-too-but-washington
-doesnt-want-you-to-k
>Every three years, the Organization of Economic Co-operation and Development [OECD], the rich country's club, announces the results of its Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA). These are tests of school achievement for 15-year-olds in the 34 OECD countries, plus 31 other countries or regions.

>And, following the announcement, there is always wailing and gnashing of teeth about how the U.S. is doomed by the failures of the U.S. educational system relative to the rest of the world.

[...]

>It took me two days of looking through the voluminous PISA results to create the simple graph below. It shows what the Great and Good don't want you to know about the 2009 PISA results: When broken down by ethnicity, American students did reasonably well compared to the countries from which their ancestors came.

>In this chart, I've depicted American ethnic groups in red to show where they fall relative to other countries, which are colored to reflect their dominant populations.

>>442932
[Orimoto Mimana] 10 Things to Do While I'm Still a Boy

http://www.newgeography.com/content/001543-is-sweden-a-false-utopia
>A Scandinavian economist once stated to Milton Friedman: "In Scandinavia we have no poverty." Milton Friedman replied, "That's interesting, because in America among Scandinavians, we have no poverty either." Indeed, the poverty rate for Americans with Swedish ancestry is only 6.7%, half the U.S average. Economists Geranda Notten and Chris de Neubourg have calculated the poverty rate in Sweden using the American poverty threshold, finding it to be an identical 6.7%.

>>442386
They would rather keep failing, and then claim that the failure is due to underfunding. So, they demand more money, but curiously, the more we spend, the worse the product gets. All it would take is a bit more money.......Never blame incompetent teachers and poor parenting, the main problem is a shortage of other people's money. Which explains why we sepnd the most, but are nowhere near the top in results.

>>442648

Utter bullshit, we were told essentially to be objective in every case

American schooling is not a "failure." There is definitely room for improvement, but it's not like the whole population is illiterate or something.

>>442974

nice graph. but i'm thinking it maybe reflects income/economic status, not genetics

>>442932
10 Things to Do While I'm Still a Boy

It's a transgender manga or something. If you can't find it, i'm sure /d/ can help you out.

>>443332
Bullshit

When I was student in Canada, they actually took us to see a short video about the evils of capitalism and industrialism.

It wasn't completely sponsored by the school, but the group that did it was a school sponsored group, and it counted for graduation credits.

The education system is fine, but there's so much leftism infiltrating the schools, both the teachers and the students, its infuriating

>>442648

Having gone through the Canadian system I really can't say I experienced the majority of those points. I had some awful teachers that tried to indoctrinate students but they were really the exception, not the rule. The teachers I had, especially in High School would always make us research both sides of issues and come to our own conclusions. And the volunteering thing was probably just some bullshit your school created, whereas you're making it sound like its everywhere. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but its the fault of the individual teachers, not the schooling system itself.

The points you're bringing up also only really have to do with English and social studies classes. Science and math classes in Canada are considered some of the best in the world (5th place in both last year, as opposed to the US, which was 17th and 25th).

However you do bring up some serious issues as well. Schools here tend to have ridiculous rules regarding violence. I was nearly suspended at one point for defending myself. And I seem to remember trading card games being banned in most elementary schools as well because "Pokemans are violent".

The US adopting an education system similar to Canada wouldn't carry the problems you mentioned anyway, because those problems aren't caused by the system, they're caused by teachers.

> mfw 99% of the problem in the public school system in the US is niggers and their liberal enablers that do nothing but make excuses and dumb it down because even they know the niggers just can't keep up or stop acting like animals.

Pic related.

>>442386

Because we don't want to do that, science is evil. We want to preach Jesus in the classroom as the answer to everything.

So what's the secret to a prosperous educational system?

>>444422

Paying teachers enough that teaching is an attractive career for more intelligent people who have other options, and being able to fire bad teachers would be a good place to start.

You mean how countries with voucher systems are doing FAAARRR better and have smarter kids?
The market works.

>>444422

Drop kicking the niggers/mexicans out of what used to be all-white SUCCESSFUL schools and segregating them to their own schools.

At minimum that would fix 90% of the problems with the public school system in the US.

And white kids could finally go to a public school and not feel like they're at a fucking zoo or a juvenile detention facility.

"Bussing" was the absolute WORST possible thing that could've happened to the public schools in the US.....and you can thank liberals/dems for it.

Privatize high schools.

Especially helpful for those with long term college plans like doctors and lawyers

>>444522
Why not promote school choice within public schools? Let people choose which schools in the public school system to attend instead of being zoned by arbitrary areas within the school district.

>implying the real problem isn't hispanics who can barely speak English and blacks who don't give a fuck about learning

>>444474

As a hispanic mixedfag, I would hate going to a school with all black people, I graduated with a 3.7gpa and I'm getting my degree in mechanical engineering.

get rid of black people. thats the one and only answer and you know it.

>>444602

btw, not saying that going to a school with all whites would be any better.

You don't want smart slaves

The teacher's union would have a fit.

>>444522
>absurd bureaucratic fees everywhere!
>teachers have cash incentive to fail borderline passing students
>teachers rated on how much money they make the company
>school lunch sponsored by mcdonalds fridays...
>can't transfer schools since the nearest one is 10 miles away

>>444629
>implying "privatizing schools" and "vouchers" are about private companies making profits and not about brainwashing schoolchildren into believing the world is 6000 years old and flat

>>444595
any statistics or proof?

>>444595
>don't give a fuck about learning
>implying blacks have the cognitive ability to learn in the first place

It's so bad because we dumb down standardized tests so NIGGERS can pass them.

>>444646

Um....have you stepped foot in a public school in the US in the past 20 years?

> proof

LMAO.....

>>444583
Most importantly you did not offer a reasonable alternative, as with some respect to quality and funding, all public schools teach the same subjects and teach them the same way.

Now to answer your question specifically:
You can not offer this choice.

Schools, like roads, are public goods subject to a congestive demand (The more people using a road at once, the less efficient individual utility).
The same can be said for schools, except they are at a point, not a line; this makes geographical distribution most efficient.

Now for your hypothetical: Choice. Every decent parent would wish to choose the best school within feasible distance.
Since the school is incapable of supporting the massive number of applicants, a pecking order must be established, which will generally be done based on........ geographical location.

TL;DR your solution will displace a very very small number of students with no "fair" way to distribute this privilege.

>>444822
Meant to clarify, the small number of students would only be moving up "one tier" on the school ladder, as noone would choose to sacrifice public transportation for a longer commute to a lesser school.

The end game is that the very best school becomes like the most busy road, congested and less efficient than before.


>>444644
Actually you got it all backwards. Granted, there are more private schools than public schools teaching that theory, but the implications of your point SUPPORT private education.

>private schools can FAIL.
If your curriculum is not
sufficient to prepare your students for life then your
school will be passed over for other options.

>Public schools are INDOCTRINATED.
Perhaps we can agree that public is better than
religious education, but we can not ignore there are
already secular private schools of great renown.

Public schools all push the same standardized
education, and the standard stays wherever it is
arbitrarily set.

Private schools will always be in the process of
improving, the "standard" in a private education
system is your competitor, and you strive to
out-compete them.

>>444629
>absurd bureaucratic fees everywhere!
Less bureaucracy than public school
>teachers have cash incentive to fail borderline passing students
No. Noone is forced to pay to go to their school, if
their educational means are not met they will
purchase a better teacher.
>teachers rated on how much money they make the company
And the only way for them to make money is to
provide quality education. You have made the best
argument FOR privatized school.
>school lunch sponsored by mcdonalds fridays...
Better or worse than Pizza = Vegetable?
>can't transfer schools since the nearest one is 10 miles away
That sounds like a local problem that could ONLY be solved by private education.
Gubbamint has no competition, and there is obvious
room for (and your demand for) more education
choices.


And Finally:
>you seem to disregard that I only suggest private High School. Free public education is still available

>MY DISCOURSE IS PALPABLE

Another thing to consider is that public schools are already run like a business, but bottom up instead of top down, ruining efficiency.

School's are funded directly proportional to attendance.
>THIS IS HUGE! why is truancy a CRIME?!

so a public school system has vested interest in failing a student at the bottom level (more personal funding) but from the government level this spending is inefficiently allocated.

A privatized system only rewards results, not attendence, bolstering programs that push the bounderies of conventional education.

>>444981
you seem to misunderstand what "privatize schools" means
Private schooling is already legal.

>>444981
>no ones forcing you to go to school
heh, right. my alternative is... stay at home and learn nothing? that'll be great for my future. really your post reeks of naive spoilt child.

America's schools were found to be the best schools in the entire world. The idea that American Schools suck was just bullshit made by Bush Senior so he could cut education funding. Now American schools DO suck, but only because of poor funding and overworked, underpaid teachers.

>>445123
And totally uninvolved parents

>>445048
He meant sell public schools to private companies or charter them off.

>>445127
That too.

That's simply NOT true, ALL of what you said.
If you look at the history of public schooling, the decline goes back to collective bargaining and the increase in the power of the teacher's unions, about 1964....it all goes down hill from there.

You DON'T need to collective bargain an industry that already has about 90% market share!

>>445048
>>445082
Ohai, you must be new here.

This began with the privatizing of high school, not all
school. Public education should be available for all
people, but high school allows a disproportionate drain
of wealth through terrible quality urban schools.

Over simplifying a bit but 4/12 years removed means
1/3 less taxes for education, or better yet, a much
better yield from the same input.

Just barely over 50 percent of Americans even pay
taxes, and those that don't are most likely to have
been high school dropouts or "career-students."

Quite personally I do not feel like high school better
prepared me for any jobs available than middle
school, but it did prepare me for college; why waste
resources preparing everyone for something only a
minority actually desire to go through with?


Of worthy note, GED programs would of course still
be a cheap alternative to private schooling (and could
even be offered BY private high schools or colleges).

>>445155
Yes, believe what the GOP says. Because they ALWAYS tell the TRUTH. No matter what. The reason why American schools LOOK like they suck is because we don't have testing brackets. We lump in geniuses and retards into the same boat as the average kids. The retards (future GOP members) are the ones who drag down the other, higher scoring students. Places like Japan, Germany, France, etc. only test their top students. The ones that get into High School.

Ever notice how America has almost all the best Universities? Ever notice how America has the highest graduation rate when you cut out all the retards? No, you don't, because watching fox news makes you dumber. http://www.alternet.org/story/149193/study_confirms_that_fox_news_makes_you_stupid/

>>445155
Since when the fuck has teaching been an industry? Teaching is supposed to educate future generations. Not make money.

inb4 moralfag

I've been the proponent of private high school for this
discussion and just to respond to the ad-homs:

I come from a family of teachers, have made many
great connections with teachers, and seen many new
teachers leave learning to begin teaching. The
system is rotten.

One example would be my aunt, who has to videotape
her "children" (some are 23 years old!) breaking the
law to take them to court, because she is not allowed
to send them to the principles office or have class
disrupted by arrest (nonviolent crime)

>>445250
>Places like Japan, Germany, France, etc. only test their top students. The ones that get into High School.
>The ones that get into High School.
privatize
>high school

>>445289
>principles office
Orwellian as fuck!
FACIST!

The reason public schools suck here is because nobody is responsible. Kids can get straight F's and still pass onto the next grade, teacher's only have to avoid getting fired for about 5 - 10 years before their tenure automatically kicks in and then its almost impossible to fire them, not to mention that teachers are usually fired based on seniority (last one hired, first one fired), and then there is just all the corruption and power that exists in the Teacher's Union which prevents any real positive changes to occur in our schools.

If you really want schools to improve, weaken or remove the Teacher's Union. You do that and I would guarantee that our education system would fix itself in no time.

>>445341
>implying teachers unions have too much power or are involved with your complaints.

Kids can only get straight F's and pass if they are in a
special needs program. Many private schools do not
even assign grades.

>Tenure is bad and teachers are dealt with as FILO commodities.
Treating any commodity dropping in price as FILO is
economically sound. If this is the system in place,
then Tenure is meaningless. Pick one.

>implying new teachers change the education system.
It is still a system of standardized tests (the ones you
are upset about people getting F's on) and the new
teachers will merely be less adept at teaching a
broken system.

Necroing just to proclaim myself is champion of the privatized education debate