Bush did a lot of good things.

We tend to focus on the things the president fail to deliver or screw up.

>--The Cash for Clunkers program that helped rejuvenate the auto industry.

BAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>--The Cash for Clunkers program that helped rejuvenate the auto industry.

All that bullshit did was distroy inexpensive good cars which left fewer for the poor to buy

>>442006
Apparently you've never heard of mass transit.

How are student loans going to be affordable? When?

Healthcare is not any better than the day he set foot into office, I believe insurance is more expensive.

Tobacco reform (make cloves illegal)

stimulus package; still got 7 million unemployed, it was 3-4 million max with Bush

tax credits for new home owners?! how many people are landing these careers where the housing market is booming?
And how come we subsidized the banks to keep the houses keep running and now subsidize homes for these people all over again?

Cash for clunkers gave a check to anyone with a junk car they had for a new car. Too bad the gas went up and now these people used to have inexpensive-to-replace parts on an old car and more difficult to work on new car.

Oh, killed a US-citizen and didn't even offer evidence to back up terror claims.

Thanks uncle Obama for all the Average this great country of america has pumped out because of you

>>442020
I still rather have a car.

>>441972
>--Stimulus package that saved the economy.
If you call blank checks to the financial giants who caused this mess so they could spend the money on bonuses and merging with rivals to get bigger, down-sizing the auto industry, bailing out mortgage companies while still leaving the American public on the hook for bad mortgages, spent so much money it inflated and devalued while other countries threatened to stop lending us money, etc. to be saving the economy then yeah

>--Financial reform that will help prevent another crisis.
With the financial giants even bigger and more of a threat while the government calls them "too big to fail" instead of cut down so they're not so big that each one threatens the economy, his actions help set up another financial crisis

>--Health care overhaul
that was so full of shit that it took zero time for the courts to declare it unconstitutional

>--Making college loans more affordable.
while still allowing the bullshit broken system of decades of student loan debt because you wanted to become a useful member of society to continue while the government allows banks to rape students

>--The Cash for Clunkers program that helped rejuvenate the auto industry.
Google. Most people used it to buy foreign cars, and Obama forcibly closed half the auto dealers in America anyway.

>--New consumer protections for credit card users.
Yet people are still squeezed to death on the fees and millions of Americans are still on the hook for credit cards from BOA and others designed to fail

>>442020
>mass transit
>government conspiracy to keep me trapped at their whim when they shut it down and open FEMA camps

pick 2

>>442110
>--Increasing federal regulation of tobacco products.
Good job since most of the carcinogens aren't in tobacco but in the FDA-required additives

>--Cracking down on waste in Pentagon weapons acquisition.
while doing nothing about his own waste (hint: most expensive inauguraiton in US history)

>--Making attacks based on sexual orientation a federal hate crime.
they already were

>--Giving businesses tax incentives to hire unemployed workers.
which did nothing to encourage them when considering Obama's high payroll taxes for health care that scared businesses from hiring anyone

>--Tax credits for first-time homeowners.
which did nothing and the housing market is still down thanks to Obama's economy

WORST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME

CLASS WARFARE

OBAMA HATES GOD

THE BAILOUT CREATED NO JOBS

OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST

GOVERNMENT TAKER OVER OF HEALTHCARE

SOCIALIST COMMIE MAOIST FASCIST MUSLIM ATHEIST

BIRTH CERTIFICATE

No matter how much good, Obama did.
A commie is a commie.

It's like, no matter how many good deeds you have done, and how much of a nice person you are, but if you are gay or a socialist, you are a sinner in the eyes of god and you will go to hell.

People mentioning God = Fucking sheep. Open your fucking eyes you ignorant, stubborn red necks. God doesn't exist. I respect you for believing in him, but don't be fucking extremists about it.

Obama and Bush are and were weak presidents, they are both corporate trash.

>--Stimulus package that saved the economy.

Stopped reading right there, honestly this is a massive troll thread.

black president hasn't been shot yet

>Stimulus package that saved the economy.
No it didn't

>Financial reform that will help prevent another crisis.
Financial reform that doesn't prevent anything that led to the crisis in the first place

>Health care overhaul, a giant step toward universal coverage that had eluded presidents back to Franklin Roosevelt if not Teddy Roosevelt
Health care overhaul that hands more money and power to the insurance companies instead of the people

>Making college loans more affordable.
College loans are a giant scam. All this reform did was make the federal government get more money out of the scam rather than just Sallie Mae. Basically gives the government even less incentive to actually fix it since their banking off the broken system now

>The Cash for Clunkers program that helped rejuvenate the auto industry.
No it didn't

>New consumer protections for credit card users.
This one might actually be good

>Making it easier for women to challenge pay discrimination.
Fake problem that never needed a solution

>Increasing federal regulation of tobacco products.
Who cares? Tobacco is already regulated out the ass and most of it is a stupid waste already

>Cracking down on waste in Pentagon weapons acquisition.
And defense spending is still 50% of the budget. "I took this pebble from mt everest, it's shorter now!"

>Making attacks based on sexual orientation a federal hate crime.
Oh boy thought crime

>Giving businesses tax incentives to hire unemployed workers.
Would matter more if taxes were the reason people werent hiring

>Tax credits for first-time homeowners.
Fucking stupid attempt to reinflate a bubble

No matter what side your on, Obama can't be making you happy

>>442957

QFT

None of you people have any idea what financial reform Obama signed. Dodd-Frank prevents banks from trading with your money. That's good for you and for the economy at large. Repeal financial reform and you can say hello to another American financial crisis worse than 2008.

>>443401
Didn't stop MF Global from doing it

>>443401
>Limiting economic activity is good for the economy at large

lolno. If people didn't want the banks doing risky investments with their money they would demand it. Government insuring the accounts means that nobody gives a shit. Socialism is the problem not capitalism.

>>442020
yes because most of the SUV's and trucks that were destroyed were owned by inner city and suburbanite commuters amirite?

-- Not having an independent thought not even once

-- Helping the rich get richer.

-- Ignoring the pleas and cries of the people he is suppose to lead.

-- Killing American citizens without trial.

-- The first War President of the 10's.

>2011

>still promoting Obama

Leave it to the banks

According to politifact, who assessed 400 of Obama's campaign promises, he's only broken 53 of them. In short, the dreadful situation we're in now is a direct result of what Obama said he was going to do. The left need to accept that their bullshit just doesn't work.

>>443737
no, you forget that its not a bad thing if a democrat does it.
Also, goldman sachs is immune from wrong doing. No matter what.

>>443777

>>443828
No, no and for crying out loud NO.

The nazis never got more than 43% in elections (1930) and were installed into government via the Reichstag fire and Hitler gaining the Chancellorship and a few ministers (choosing the important ones like police). Then he installed himself as fuehrer etc etc.

Nazis were NOT elected, although they were worryingly close

Always vote though. The only reason Bush got in in 2000 was because his brother stopped the Florida recount. Ideally we should just have had another election altogether because that election was fucking THIRD WORLD

>>443828
>2011
>still thinks obama's platform is somehow different than bush's

>>443867
"Oh, we're gonna win Florida.... you can.... write it down."
- George W. Bush, being nonchalant as fuck over his obvious criminal activities.

>>443867
Would you vote if it cost $10 and you knew your vote was going to be put in a box and only counted in the case of a tie?

>>443867
>Always vote though. The only reason Bush got in in 2000 was because his brother stopped the Florida recount. Ideally we should just have had another election altogether because that election was fucking THIRD WORLD
ya, and obama still hasnt produced a valid birth cirtificate

>>443906
>ya, and obama still hasnt produced a valid birth cirtificate
Because he was born in Somalia and went to an all-Muslim school.
And we are NOT suppose to know about that.

>>443898
I know the recount would have been legally hypocritical, but the democratic foundations of the country are sabotaged when the Supreme Court gets to play Kingmaker like that

We really should have acknowledged the whole election was full of shit and had another. At least both sides would have mostly respected the outcome and we would have at least tried to fix the stupid irregularities

>>443930
>the first election gave us irregular results
>we need to have another.. to fix it.

>--Financial reform that will help prevent another crisis.

>>441987
>Bush did a lot of good things.

Name one fucking thing. Be objective, but name just one beneficial/good thing Bush did.

>>443947
If he lost, he would have finally accepted it

Instead he gave up really easily and let Bush rape America for 2 terms

Not that Gore didn't have his own character flaws. I think instability in the middle east would have led to wars anyway, we still would have had the housing bubble etc. but some things would certainly have been better (energy research, environment, maybe education - no no child left behind, less hawkish foreign policy)

2000 was a disgrace and everyone internationally who knows about it is losing confidence in us as a result

>>443906
>The only reason Bush got in in 2000 was because his brother stopped the Florida recount.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html?gwh=92EEEB39995B678C63DAAC4DAD6F113B

Too bad New York Times put up a paywall so my refutation of this is partially blocked by ads but basically:

Several thousand doctorate holders in statistics, in conjunction with various media organizations around the nation pretty much debunked this shit a decade ago.

Bush won. No amount of recounting was going to help Gore. His case in front of the Florida Supremes was predicated on a violation of Ex Post Facto, a Constitutional principle which is basically inviolate and protects elections from fraud, and Bush won the count fair. and. square.

Deal with it

>>443972
Hard core lib speaking. Bush tried to revamp the American space program. I was all about that.

>>443930
my point was that voting is pointless, and everyone secretly knows it.

>>443982
I was in florida at the time. I watched the recount attempts on public access TV. They cancelled the recounts and restarted 2 times then never finished.

Also, no way thousands of old Jews voted for an anti-semite on the ballot. It came down to one county with a weird ballot. Don't talk about shit you don't have first hand knowledge about.

Because Bush won, we got fucked in the ass from 2008 onward. Why pretend like it was some proud legacy?

>>443972
No child left behind
Medicare part D
The temporary guest-worker program
The Patriot Act
TARP

Oh wait, im a conservative. I dont actually like anything bush did.

Ron Paul 2012

>>444034
Why?

Gore only needed ~500 votes to get over the line. That's tiny. Of course voting matters. It's just the American electoral system that's full of shit

Sometimes elections really do change everything. Like Spain in 1936. Communists (!) won by 0.1% of the seats despite losing the popular vote by quite a bit. Set up the Spanish Civil War. Just a handful of votes in a few electoral districts would have completely changed it.

>--Increasing federal regulation of tobacco products

>Implying this wasn't a tax on poor people.

>>443974
>I think instability in the middle east would have led to wars anyway
Well, Iraq was being bombed EVERY OTHER WEEKEND under both Bush Sr. and Clinton.

Despite that, Gore and Bush would never have actually needed to enter Iraq.

Maybe with Gore as President, the US would only enter Saudi Arabia?

>>444076
Yes. Gore needed 500 votes to get over the line. If you're capable of casting 500 votes, then voting matters. Oh no wait, your capable of casting 1. I would willingly place a bet that every single vote you've ever cast in your entire life could be changed without changing the result.
Campaigning is important, voting isn't worth shit.

>>444066
>several thousand doctorate holders recounted all the ballots in many different configurations, in fact even accounting for had the recount been allowed to continue as the left insists would have allowed Al Gore to win, and Al Gore still lost. Every single time.

What part of you're wrong don't you get?

ITT: butthurt conservatards

>>444146
If just 500 people felt that way (this is assuming all the other irregularities were A-OK btw) then it certainly would

That's not many people at all. As individuals, if a very small number of people simply showed up to vote, those 8 years would have been quite different

>>444187
we hate the fact that Obama's done a great job and his approval rating is so high?

>>444175
>But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots. This also assumes that county canvassing boards would have reached the same conclusions about the disputed ballots that the consortium's independent observers did. The findings indicate that Mr. Gore might have eked out a victory if he had pursued in court a course like the one he publicly advocated when he called on the state to "count all the votes."

You don't read your own shit?

>>444194
Yes, if the GROUP showed up to vote. That's why I say campaigning is important. Advertise your cause as much as you possibly can. Actually voting is just pissing in the wind though.

>>444146
>Implying I can't cast 500 votes in an American election

>>444067
NOBODY LIKES THOSE THINGS!

>>441972

Op, you forgot Obama killed Osama Bin Laden. He also pulled the economy out of recession. He also got a Boble Peace Prize.

>>444197
He's Bush in his third term.
Escapism is all you thrive for isn't it?

>You're not allowed to make arguments for how Obama's a bad president or I'll scream "FAUX NEWZ!" at you until you go away

Oh sure, it's clearly the conservatives that are butthurt here.

>>444187
you clearly have it backwards.
This whole thread is the typical "if al gore was president" and "he really won but I dont like the way the electoral college works" sob story

>>444200
Keep reading dumbfuck

Gore didn't ask for a statewide recount dipshit. His case was asking specifically and only for a recount in 5 or so districts.

Deal with it. The recount he asked for, he would have lost. That was the end of it. There was no statewide attempt to recount the ballots. The recounts that were stopped were the 5 or so county wide recounts he requested

>>444232

>make arguments
>Faux News
>areyouafuckingidiot.jpg

>>443989

Bush publicly "revamped" the space program and promptly under funded it.

Obama has increased NASA's budget and cut taxes.

Obama has done a good job.

He fucked your economy hard (dont kid yourself, faggot) and is a total warmonger.

If he gets a second term i can guarantee he we start a war with Iran which Israel is begging him to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV1sxq8mqvA&feature=player_embedded

Once a liar, always a liar.

>>444227
What are you on about "Bush in his third term"?
Obama made 400 promises in his campaign and has only broken 53 of them. What we have now is exactly what Obama wanted, and it's a mess.

>>444277
>What we have now is exactly what Obama wanted
Just like his healthcare bill and debt-ceiling proposals, huh? Just to name a couple of things that are "exactly what [he] wanted."

>>444252
Either way it was one fucked election

Literally NH would have changed it. GJ Electoral College

>>444213
well at least Medicare Part D was introduced by democrats led by pelosi. And I dont think obama has shown any interest in changing any of the above.

But if you think his next 4 years are going to be different, by all means vote for him again or mitt romney. I can give my personal assurances that "change" is not on the agenda.

>>444277

Obama's done a great job. The economy has grown for over two years straight. After a 2nd term Obama will have America back on track.

>>444284
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

Obama has done, or is doing, exactly what he said he was going to, and the country's in a mess.

>>444290
anything could have changed it but the point remains: Bush won it. He won it fair and square according to the rules of the game being played. It was Gore who was making errors all over the place, like predicating an entire lawsuit for a recount in those counties based on Florida law passed after the election by a majority Democrat led state government.

Frankly, and I really do mean this: If Gore had just accepted defeat like a man, George Bush's Presidency would have been less fucked up because the common Democrat wouldn't have had a trumped up bullshit reason to hate the guy right from the moment he took office.

The man won. Gore could have, should have, won. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd have a Christmas party. He didn't win. Democrats spent a decade calling Bush an illegitimate President, it undermined him during the wars, harmed his ability to conduct them, led to a massive amount of cost and stress the nation never had to go through.

Bush wasn't perfect, but from the moment he won he got fucked by that shit and it was wrong and libs should admit it since its a fact: Gore lost fair and square.

Guise, like him or not, he's gonna win
I mean, there is no one to beat him.

laughinggirls.jpg Romney, Perry, Paul

>>444314

The country isn't in a mess. It was in a mess before Obama took over. Obama will be recorded in history as one of America's great Presidents.

>>444305
>More wars than any time in American history
>Increased the national debt faster than any president in American history
>Fewer civil liberties than ever before
>Cracking down on drugs harder than ever before
>More corporatism and regulations than ever before
>"A great job"

>>444314
Which is surprising since the Republicans had vowed to stop Obama and been an obstructive block in Congress. However, your point that the results are what Obama wanted and promised is entirely off base. I made the points about healthcare and debt-ceiling proposals to highlight how compromise has undermined/countervened Obama's intentions and attempts.

>>444325
Obama has already beaten himself.

He won't win because its anyone but him at this point. He's lost the white, middle class crowd. He can't win. They've been gone for two years. They aren't coming back.

Even if he were to win re election, Repubs are taking House/Senate and he'll have no way to accomplish anything. At all.

But he won't win.

>>444338

>More wars than any time in American history
Bush
>Increased the national debt faster than any president in American history
Bush
>Fewer civil liberties than ever before
Bush
>Cracking down on drugs harder than ever before
Conservatives approve?
>More corporatism and regulations than ever before
A good thing. Unregulated finance caused the banking crisis.

>>444338
>More wars
Stopped reading here. If we totaled up all the men and resources used in all the "wars" since World War II they still wouldn't compare to it. I fear war but I don't fear military action.

>>444345
in fact if he's smart Obama would run exclusively as a counter to allowing Republicans to take over completely again.

>>444263
>Obama has increased NASA's budget
Is that why we will never go to space again?

>>444345

I've already dropped 1k on an Obama to win at the next election. Looking at the Republican field, I'm gonna win big.

>>444345
>He won't win because its anyone but him at this point

Yeah, and "Anybody but Bush!" worked out so well for the Democrats in 2004. Keep living in your Fox News fantasy world, cretin.

>>444353
you were probably right that bush was the superlative worst offender for all of these criteria.

...until obama.

>>444371
It wasn't anybody but Bush in 2004 bro. Sorry. I was there.

It was "We're in the middle of a war that looks really ugly right now, and one guy wants to literally walk away right now and the other guy wants to give a swing at fixing what we broke before we leave" and the American people chose the only option available in that context.

It WAS anybody but bush in 06 and 08 and, well, you saw what happened.

>>444371
also whenever a lib starts screaming Fox News, its basically the left wing Godwinning of the thread.

You admit defeat when you do that.

Thanks for playing.

>>444368

You mean like, "never go into space" like: just launched a 2 billion dollar rover mission to Mars?

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/index.html

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

>>444368

you do realize we still have a manned space shuttle capability? The pilots don't wear NASA insignia anymore, they wear Air Force shoulder flashes:

http://news.discovery.com/space/military-mini-shuttle-no-2-ready-to-fly-110303.html

>>444402
year out from the election without a republican actually chosen as a candidate is a sign of nothing

pay attention to Obama's actual approval ratings instead, bro. Much better indicator of the mood towards him

>>444405
step backwards, the space program was a part of the air force during world war 2

basically all you're doing is pointing out that NASA's mission has been utterly militarized, not usually a liberal's favorite thing

>>444224
>Obama killed Osama Bin Laden.
If Obama told you he captured Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, would you believe it?

>>444405
X-37B is not a piloted vehicle.
But we've got at least four new manned vehicles in the pipeline, one of which has already flown (Dragon) although without the crew accommodations/life support.

>>444332
Good one, was about to rage but realised I'd been trolled softly. 9/10, would rage again.

>>444425
The air force didn't exist during WW2.

>>444370

You're obviously gonna win. The "top" Republican contender fluctuates every other day. It's gonna be 2004 all over again... or every other reelection in which the current President wins its own reelection.

And Obama isn't Bush Sr. bad to not get reelected

>>444405
I find your article relevant, but not your comment.

There is a big difference between an active civilian program and an experimental military program.

>>444363
I wasn't talking about troops. America is in 5 wars, more than it has ever been in in history, and got involved in a 6th in Libya. We are more an empire than at any time.

>>444440
air force was part of the army during ww2 and space related programs were under that division

so we can argue the technical terminology till the sun sets or just readily admit that flight exploration technology and research and development was in the realm of the air force during ww2, including what became the space programs

whichever you prefer

>>444425

>the space program was a part of the air force during world war 2

You fucking idiot.

We didn't have a space program in World War Two. No one did.

NASA and the military are tightly bound, always have been. The Air Force now have their own shuttle and space program, thanks to Obama.

Vote Ron Paul and drag the USA back to Glory!


Obama.....the one word joke.

> Health care reform wasn't good enough and didn't benefit those who need it most, the bill was all filler and no substance.

> Wrong, Financial Reforms haven't occurred, it's same old same old, have you been sleeping under a rock...or did you not hear about OWS?

> Making college loans affordable is foolish, we already have a huge degreeflation crisis, we need more people who are technically aptitude for other sectors of the economy, we don't need more arts grads.

> Car Allowance Rebate System failed ever heard of parable of the broken window
the program actually cost Americans nearly $20,000 more per car than the maximum rebate
t produced a short-lived effect (360,000 additional cars sold in 2 months), but that the effect was almost completely reversed in the 7 following months due to fewer cars sold, = those are just a few reasons
> It's already protected, but codifying it again shows that Sexual Orientation hate crime will lead to the problem of race hate crime, "your honor i didn't know when i stole his wallet he was a faggot". One Law for All and stop giving into civil rights guilt.

> new home-owners tax credit = fail, we don't need that, we need real spending cuts and real tax relief.

>>444370
a fool and his money are soon parted

>betting on elections

haha retarded

>>444445
>people consider candidates during primaries

shocking I know

nice to see you easily and handily repeat media memes like a good little robot though

>And Obama isn't Bush Sr. bad to not get reelected

The economy is in significantly more trouble that it was under Bush Sr.

>>444455

The fucking article documents the 2nd military Space Shuttle.How is this not relevant?

>>444470
Ron Paul is nice, but he's not a serious contender. My vote (and your vote) is better spent voting out the worst serious contending Republicans by voting for the "best" serious contending Republican.

>>444468
>we didn't have a space program in WW2

We had planes in the upper limits of the atmosphere and people parachuting from that high, we were on our way there, most of it was top secret and related to attempting to develop more air superiority over the other parties involved in the conflict

it wasn't an official space program but it was full of all the types of technicians and researchers, physicists, etc who eventually became NASA and the Air Force.

>>444505

Oh, ok.

>>442819

This thread is attracting Obama-rama fags like horse flies on shit

>>444516

I deleted when you clarified.

>>444525
yeah I did too once the board let me

>>444504

It's thinking like this that makes sure we always end up with a useless government.

>>444353
Obama left America in more wars than Bush. He stepped up the effort in Afghanistan and Yemen, and bombed Libya.

Bush increased the national debt 4trillion in 8 years. Obama increased the national debt 4trillion in 2 years.

Obama maintained all civil liberty restrictions, and set a precedent by assassinating a US citizen.

>>444514

I'm voting Obama just to annoy conservatards on /pol/

>>444514
its okay it'll be fun to remind them of these sorts of conversations after the election next year

When Obama gets thrown out on his ass for being such a worthless nothing of a President

>>444538
thats okay I vote straight republican just to irritate the internet

I've been doing this for over a decade