Bump. This merits investigation, and if true, merits wide-scale circulation. YOU have the power to act. USE IT.

WELP!

erm this is not about giving corporations powers. this is about taking them away.

typical socialist newspeak.

>>3630458

you didn't read the article did you

>>3630475
>>the Obama administration is backing an international court that would have the right to override national laws in favor of corporations.

what this means is the international governing body will override laws in countries, not necessarily in favor of corporations. So if a country has no minimum wage law, the international court could order the corporation to pay a minimum wage.

it is giving the UN the power to regulate all international corporations.

HOLYFUCK What?

>>3630537
This shit is like cyberpunk corps, soon we will have corporations killing inventors or patent holders to steal their property and they would be exonerated on some ridiculous fair use shit which only applies to multibillion dollar industries. Yup we are doomed to be a forsaken race.
I wonder how we will awaken from this kind of world...is there anything better? Will they get better? Or is this the best?

>he leaked document has been posted on the website of Public Citizen, a long-time critic of the administration's trade objectives. The new leak follows substantial controversy surrounding the secrecy of the talks, in which some members of Congress have complained they are not being given the same access to trade documents that corporate officials receive.

>"The outrageous stuff in this leaked text may well be why U.S. trade officials have been so extremely secretive about these past two years of [trade] negotiations," said Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch in a written statement.

>Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) has been so incensed by the lack of access as to introduce legislation requiring further disclosure. House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) has gone so far as to leak a separate document from the talks on his website. Other Senators are considering writing a letter to Ron Kirk, the top trade negotiator under Obama, demanding more disclosure.

"Bush was better than Obama on this," said Judit Rius, U.S. manager of Doctors Without Borders Access to Medicines Campaign, referring to the medication rules. "It's pathetic, but it is what it is. The world's upside-down."

lOlbama

I'm definitely voting Romney this year

>implying romney will be any better

So, obama is a pawn of the globalized multinational scum, is he?

There are no leftists in american politics, I swear.

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fucking lol

It's even better because of his corporations-are-evil hippie faggot fanbase

Oh no! The evil republicans say corporations are people! I don't want corporations to be entities! I'd so much rather not be able to tax or sue them!

But Obama F. Black Jesus Kennedy gives corporations sovereign powers and that's perfectly fine! Hope and change and hope and change and hope and change and yes we can!

Like this isn't going to backfire on him...

>corporations fucking up the US environment
>government tries to regulate them
>corporations legitimately disband the US government
>hurr we dystopia now

>>3630733

At least Romney isn't a nigger. That's a good enough reason for me.

This guys is such scum. I'm so fucking sick of people treating him like he's a man of the people. He's a fucking shill.

>the Obama administration is backing an international court that would have the right to override national laws in favor of corporations. The implications are staggering for the environment, financial oversight and unions, according to the Huffington Post.Even life-saving medicine could be monopolized and raised to a level that would make some vital medications unaffordable to all but those with wealth or top insurance policies.
>medication
>unaffordable

da fack? what's the point in selling that shit when there's no one who can buy it? to point your finger at an awesome mountain of viagra?

101 of cost calculations - make a price where the maximum number of people will buy your shit - and buy it again!

you know there are other perfectly fine candidates that arent romney nor obama

sorry i cant quote on a cellphone

>>3630537
If you honestly look around at the world and think about the direction we're progressing in and believe the court will be for the good of the people then you are a brainwashed fool with his head up his ass.

>>3630733

>implying he won't

Look, faggot, the simple fact is that if a white guy were pulling this shit he'd be crucified for it. Obama could rape a child on the white house lawn and minorities & college students would still line up to vote for him. Black people aren't held accountable for their shit when they're in positions of power because "racist!" has become the new "heretic!" or "witch!"

Fuck these 'free trade' agreements, seriously. Don't like a foreign country's labour laws?

Now you can whine to the courts, go MUH PROFIT and demand they act as pinkertons.

>>3630740
The entire left wing was always just a two-faced attempt by corporate interests to gain more power.

>>vital medications unaffordable to all but those with wealth or top insurance policies.

This makes no sense. Rather than make it a high fee but one which a lot of people can still acquire if they want to (thereby getting a lot of profit) you arbitrarily make it so high that only the elites can get it?

I'd think the whole "The elites want to wipe out 90% of humanity" is bullshit because they dont have robots yet, but then again there's this.

It was nice while it lasted.
Here's to you, America.

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>Bush so bad, will settle for anyone
>Elect someone else from the other party
>Believing things will be better or different
>Only in America

Obama is fucking lunatic.

He is out of control.

>>3630803

Not the entire left wing.

However, I'll grant you "New Labour", in the form of clinton and blair, when right wing standards were adopted by supposedly centre-left parties.

Historically though even america has had its share of leftists; look at the New Deal or the IWW.

>>3630803
>the entire left wing is a conspiracy by corporations

WHAT

you can't seriously believe this

>>3630791
...Are you fucking kidding me? Turned on Fox News lately? Gone to the book store and browsed the politics section? There are literally books featuring Obama on the cover with devil horns drawn on his head. I have literally seen nationally published books unironically claiming Obama to be the antichrist.

So some Obama supporters call some Obama detractors racist? And what? That somehow proves that Obama is immune from criticism? Remember the Bush years? I couldn't even critisize No Child Left Behind without being called a faggot commie Muslim terrorist If-You-Hate-America-So-Much-Move-To-North-Korea-Or-Saudi-Arabia pinko scum bastard.

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>>3630826
Cheers.

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>>3630804

This is done so that 90% of people have no choice but to buy their health insurance programs or use subsidized/socialized medicine. And they make billions.

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CENTER RIGHT REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO HAVE A TOUGH FUCKING CHOICE TO MAKE BETWEEN ROMNEY AND OBAMA

>>3630850
I disagree.

Socialism was used as a corporate tool to rob the people of their rights and freedoms as far back as WW1.

Look at the Bolshevik revolution in Russia and try to tell me that the left-wing wasn't entirely created upon this concept of manipulation.

Shit... look at the supposed "left" and "right" in the West (I'm of the opinion that they are both just masks of the elite). Republicans are no longer truly "right"... they are simply less "left" than the Democrats. This applies to almost every left/right paradigm in the West with regards to political parties.

The ideologies of the left-wing have seeped into every political party because it's a convenient tool of the elite for convincing people they are giving up their rights/liberties for something "good".

>>3630663

That already happens. You'd be shocked what pharm companies do to each others people.

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>>3630861
If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth programme, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs.

Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite.

/pol/:

>FUCKING LIBERALS ARE RUINING AMERICA, I CAN'T WAIT TO VOTE OUT THIS SOCIALIST LIBERAL SHITSKIN

/pol/ after Obama has carried out 0 Socialist or Liberal policies -

>FUCK OBAMA HE'S GONNA TURN AMERICA INTO A DYSTOPIA I CAN'T WAIT TO VOTE OUT THIS CORPORATE SHILL

>>3630910
what about the Makhnoists? The Ukraine was a pretty self-sufficient anarchist society that used socialist production until the Bolshevists invaded and conquered them

so clearly not all just intend to rule

This is pure spin. What this is really about, is giving the UN the power to regulate all international corporations.

So the UN will probably be MORE oppressive rule wise than the countries it is taking power away from.

They want to make it so it will be impossible for corporations to escape over-regulation and taxation by moving to a different country.

>>3630933

Yes but the USA can not into politics. So what you call socialism the rest of the world calls insanity

>>3630740
We've all basically checked out of electoral politics because it no longer makes sense for us to participate.

Some of us still vote Green, maybe a few vote for various socialist parties, like SPUSA. But overall, we're waiting for the shit to hit the fan.

>>3630942

I'm still not voting for your nigger messiah

nice try, though

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>>3630370
Finally! The Shiawassee decision is here!

Now, if we can only re-discover magic and get some elves and dragons running about.

...Why is it only the bad parts of the Shadowrun predictions come true?

Okay, maybe I can count my blessings that The Great Ghost Dance isn't going to kill my white ass.

...and if any of you understand this, I pitty you.

>>3630834

Its the First Past the Post voting you guys have. I swear, this is the cause of all your political shenanigans (okay, along with lobbyists).

You have two parties with major bases of support, yes? You get one vote, and winner takes all in each seat.

So in effect, you only vote for first or second place. Any party weaker than that has no chance.

In a preferential system (like in australia) you have multiple rounds of voting; so you could vote, say, Libertarian 1 Repub 2. If one of the major parties gets over 50% of the 1 votes, they still win. However if there is not enough, the voting enters a second round and the second preferences are added. You end up with the 'two party preferred' figure.

What is the upshot? Well, you can vote safely for parties in order of preference, without fear of wasting your vote and allowing the hated big party to win without fighting them.

In this way minor parties can gain much more support, far more representative of the actual opinion of the population.

Then there's proportional representation (which our senate uses) where each party is assigned seats in proportion to the popular vote. So if you win 15% of votes, you get 15% of seats.

>>3630952

The security council controls the UN. Guess which country is on the security council.

>>3630972
Hell, this is also like NeoTokyo as well.

>That terrible feeling when vidya games predicted the future more accurately than anyone else could

>>3630724
romney flat out supports this plan, and says it needs to be implemented faster.

anyone using this as a "vote obama out" piece of reasoning needs to realize that even in campaign mode, romney fully supports this.

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>Allow foreign firms to demand compensation for the costs of complying with U.S. financial or environmental regulations that apply equally to domestic and foreign firms.

Disillusioned Obama supporter says: Sure i'm disappointed with Obama, but i'm voting for him again because Romney would be way worse!

>>3630933
No, I'm sorry. That's stupid. The expropriation of private property out of the control of the wealthy and into the commons is not in the interests of the wealthy. They'd probably be killed in the process, too.

The ideas that communism, as in, the real historical movement to overthrow capitalism, is either A - not in the interest of the expropriated laboring masses or B - in the interests of the wealthy - are just populist fetishist myths. Mostly because they have absolutely no understanding of what capitalism is. They think it's a market economy, when in reality, the market is incidental to value production and wage labor.

Also, I make $8.00 an hour, so don't tell me I'm some upper class mook. I want them fucking dead.

>"Bush was better than Obama on this," said Judit Rius, U.S. manager of Doctors Without Borders Access to Medicines Campaign, referring to the medication rules as described in The HP. "It's pathetic, but it is what it is. The world's upside-down."

Bush should come back for a third term.

>>3631020
The only difference between Romney and Obama, is Romney comes from a religion that traditionally hates gays and blacks. And Romney's flipflopped on that first issue even more than Obama has.

Well, that, and Romney has that all-Jew/dual-Israeli foreign policy panel lined up.

...and enough experience liquidating to shift money from the public sector to his private sector friends even faster.

So, yeah, trapped between a shit and a turd, once again.

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>>3630974
Yeah, now if only we could have a constitutional amendment to make that happen - when the two parties in power are both dependant on the current system to stay in power...

Pic related. :...(

>>3630933

Leftist here. I know what you mean. I want to find a party with a platform of freedom, workers' self management and equality of opportunity.

The right wing is in favour of the bosses outright, and the left wing usually SEEMS in favour of workers' control, but has turned against it so much that its now impossible to tell who actually means it.

Probably the mutualists and anarcho-syndicalists are the most sincere, but their plans call for abolishing the state, which is far more ambitious than mere workers' self management, and thus a programme with far more possible points of failure.

*sigh* fuck this gay earth.

>>3631054

Question for the low income earner:

Are people around you in general conservative, liberal or leftist?

Kind of interested to see how ideologies split by demographic.

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ITT: overreaction

Lawyer here. American law already applies extra-territorially to many corporations.

This would simply extend that.

By the way that means regulations on the environmental, human rights, health & safety, etc. would be STRICTER not looser.

Fucking knee-jerk online media, mang.

an OWS protester is confused yet buttmad somewhere

>>3630942
I voted for Obama--twice. Once in the Democratic Primary and again in the Presidential election.

Fuck Obama. Fuck the Democrats. Vote third party.

>>3631138

the UK has a strong third party and they tried it, but people voted it down because they hate the Lib Dems for basically doing everything the tories told them, in contrast to their election promises.

Stupid, I think. multi party democracy is a better goal.

Look at greece; if they had america's system, they'd still have Pasok and ND making the country germany's bitch. Now the people are expressing their discontent through the system, and its working.

>>3631215

I'll bet OWS is far more leftist than obama, given the amount of trade unionists, anarchists and socialists involved.

Hell, they should start their own party.

>>3631192
Parents are Democratic voting liberals. My Dad called himself Libertarian when I was younger. I was very conservative until around 20 or 21. Many of friends are apolitical. Some of my closest friends are conservative. I'm not friends with any liberals. They don't like what I have to say about Democrats and capitalism. I've met a few communists at my school.

I don't know how this can inform you of anything.

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>>3631157
Welcome to the majority of America.

There's really no party that really represents the people's desires, just two that polarize the crap out of half of us, preventing any real change.

>>3631251
>anarchism
>leftist or rightist

Yay, maybe now someone will do something about American companies dumping millions of barrels of toxic waste into poor countries drinking water

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>>3631314
Wait... Wrong picture. ><

>>3631327
I thought the government was already doing that... ie. Taking the aluminum industry's fluoride waste and poisoning our water with it, under the guise of fixing our teeth.

hey leftists... still think this nignog knows what he's doing?

he's fucking shit up. i realize you invested your self-worth by voting for a nigger, but come on, face it. he needs to be a one term president.

>>3631334
>idiot cannot into statistics

>>3631326

Do you know who Proudhon, De Leon or Kropotkin were?

If not, you have no idea what anarchism is.

>>3630791
>minorities
please stop refering to non-whites as minorities.

It doesn't make any fucking sense to consider all whites "white" hence a "majority", yet break the non-whites into their various ethnicities.

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>>3631396
I don't think the left right shit can even cut it anymore.
Wait until the "right" goes back in!
The nig nog is an orator and as you illustrate, an agitator. Probably CIA asset and likely Freemason from the Prince Hall Lodge.

>>3631396

If I was american I'd have voted for obama in 2008 because:

a) his talk of fairness and help for the lower class
b) the fact that the american right is batshit insane

Now I see he's just another tool of the ruling class and the lobbyists, whether its because he cant make progressive policies or because he wont.

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>>3631334
That's not where the political parties themselves belong, moron

Just the people who did the test and called themselves supporters of said parties.

>>3631475
I did the test for Obama based on his official views at ontheissues, and I got far red

>>3631425
God, look at this.

I'm starting to get sick of having to explain everything to retarded americans on this board.

>>3631475
Point being, that the people in the parties have their ideologies shifted far from the reasonable average, and even the average of the independents, that make up nearly half the poll takers.

>>3631499
...

sure.

Post this to le reddit. I'm curious how they'll justify Obongo's motives for this.

>>3631499
If you did it based on his rhetoric - you'd be so far left that you'd be pinned against the edge of the chart.

If you do it on his voting record, however:
http://www.ontheissues.org/barack_obama.htm

>>3631499
How did you do the test?

I'm calling bullshit.

>>3631595
>based on his rhetoric - you'd be so far left that you'd be pinned against the edge of the chart.
>this is what americans actually believe

Maybe if the chart used fucking Pinochet as a center-point.

>>3631595

That's how they got so many liberals to vote for him, and why so many are bitter now.

>>3631623
Clearly we have either not been listening to the same speeches, or have vastly differing opinions on Pinochet . ;)

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Hoo boy, Congress is PISSED right now. When an Obummer aide said that they didn't have to go to Congress to use the military, congress passed a joint resolution which basically said "you use troops when you don't absolutely need to and we'll impeach you."

With this incident, they'll probably pass a law or resolution saying that the executive branch cannot negotiate trade agreements without the explicit approval of Congress.

My body is ready

>>3631334
There's no a political party that could represent my interest. Why should I care if the majority is appeased?

>>3630733
I really don't see Romney doing this.

>>3631653
Or maybe we have, but one of us has clearly no fucking idea what left/right is and what views actually constitute them

>protip lol it's you ;)))))))))

>>3631671
Are you on crack? Romney is calling Obama anti-business for not implementing this plan faster!

>>3631671
>Obama's Republican opponent in the 2012 presidential elections, Mitt Romney, has urged the U.S. to finalize the deal as soon as possible.

he's doing it already.

Obama is more of a Neocon than Bush.

Thanks, liberals.

>>3631710
If this is liberal, it makes me shudder to think what the McCain/Palin combo woulda been like. :|

>>3631671
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How can you still be this stupid?

Like honestly... it shouldn't be surprise buttsecks anymore. Every time you bend over the government fucks you in the ass... how can you STILL not expect it to be coming after it's happened so many times?

>>3631720
seriously.
the only possible better outcome would've been obama not winning the primary.

>>3631720
Weren't republicans back in 2000/2008 worried that McCain was a closet moderate/liberal and would try to "reform" the republican party? Sort of like Obama is doing with the democrats, being a neocon and all.

Maybe we should have voted for him, forget Palin vice-presidents don't have any power anyway

>>3631720
Obongo is only socially liberal.

Economically, he's 10x more conservative than Bush. Despite most moderate right-leaning people hating him for it, the left seems to be oblivious. Go figure.

>>3631756
>the left seems to be oblivious. Go figure.
you haven't had much contact with other humans outside 4chan for a while, it seems.

>>3631756
>the left seems to be oblivious
Actually, they seem pretty pissed.

...but the alternative, is a guy with the exact same economic views, and socially conservative views.

So... Not much choice for them there.

Why do the trade unions still support obama?

It boggles the mind. They've been domesticated, I tells ya.

>>3631756
Obama is in gridlock just like Clinton was. It isn't that he's conservative. He's just can't get anything through Congress that he wants. People say Clinton is the most conservative president in modern history but that's not the case the Republicans had total control of Congress.

>>3631796
Probably because the other side wants them all lined up against a wall and shot.