>Miss me yet?
We need his predecessor minus the dementia instead.

>>3443958

The President of the USA also has to do most of the head of state stuff that he Queen does in the UK though.

BTW John Major never got a degree.

John Major was a good prime minister who was let down by the infighting of the Conservative party.

>Back to basics.
>We need to go back to traditional values.
>Key members of party involved in sex scandals.
>Cash for questions
>Affair with Edwina Currie.

>>3444437

He barely passed his O Levels.

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>>3443987
She'll die soon and there will be a celebratory holiday in the North.

>>3444437
How does having a degree help a Prime Minister

An economics one might help, there is no degrees in being a politician, only experience as a politician can ready yourself for political leadership

besides experience all you really need is:
>Leadership quality
>Can trust your party so that you don't micromanage
>Have good people skills
>Good public speaking skills
>Be reasonably smart

I will always remember John Major from his Spitting Image puppet. As a grey, boring man who liked peas.

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>>3444512
You mean that wasn't really John Major?

>>3443958
Thatcherism without the bitch.
No thanks.

>>3443958
>Bill Clinton's staff once proudly told mine that they were limiting him to a maximum of 60 hours' work a week.

Good for him. A good leader delegates authority to his people because he knows they can do the job. If they can't, then he fires them and hires someone who can.

A bad leader micromanages everything.

>>3444499
>Waah! Fucking southern cunt bastards wouldn't pay me fuckloads of money to pay for my shitty inefficient mines during a recession that I've helped along by repeated strike action over the preceeding decade! Waah!

Personally I wanted Douglas Hurd to be PM.

When will Boris be PM?

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>>3444608

Every single Prime Minister for the past 60 years has been a giant cunt, the least cunty of which was Tony Blair.

>>3444586
>Waah! Fucking northern cunt bastards wouldn't pay me fuckloads of money to pay for my shitty inefficient banks during a recession that I've helped along by repeated corruption over the preceeding decade! Waah!

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>>3444614

>>3444586
maybe i can excuse it

but then abandoning the north was foolish. now no industry or business is attracted to the north. thatcher solved the problem for the south and created a new one in the north, and it's a problem that has lasted for decades

>>3444618

>least cunty
>Tony Blair

>>>/israel/

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>>3444618
>the least cunty of which was Tony Blair

>>3444638
He would be if it wasn't for the Iraq war

>>3444627
the north developed as it did historically around manufacturing, iron/steel production and coal mining.
Manufacturing and steel production is no longer competitive due largely to wage costs - so you either invest billions rebuilding the skill base (which we haven't got) or force people to accept even lower wages than the peanuts you get on minimum wage (not doable - inb4 daily heil rants on dem poor people)

>President
>Prime Minister

These are two different jobs.

>>3444683
congratulations on pointing out the fucking obvious

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>>3444644

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What do people think about MPs and degrees?

As a merito-technocrat I'd like to see MPs having degrees in or near the department they are in, PMs could have a PPE degree or something alike.

>>3444727
fuck degree's, what about MP's from a range of social and economic backgrounds.
Your know, actually experiencing having earned a living in this country so giving them an insight into how crap laws fuck people up

>>3444692
>congratulations on pointing out the fucking obvious

Seems to be necessary with the retards around here.

>>3444754
>fuck degrees
wat.

A range of socio-economic backgrounds is a lovely idea but if no-one has a grasp of how there department is applied then they'll make guesswork changes and fuck shit up.

Look at our Education Secretary, Michael Gove, knows his shit - making badass changes.

>>3444586

at least we have a water coming out our taps. How's that drought?

Oh yeah, enjoy all the immigration while you're at it.

>>3444778
>but if no-one has a grasp of how there department is applied then they'll make guesswork changes and fuck shit up.

I'm not saying elect retards, but intelligent people with insight into how life works in this country, the majority of MP's at the moment come from comparatively well off families which tends to shelter them from the realities of modern life in the UK. Also most are privately educated which tends to open doors in a way the normal education system does not.
Anyway its not that difficult to get a degree these days with coached education - why should someone with a bullshit media studies degree have an automatic advantage

You need a degree and to have been schooled at Eton to become PM now

Fools don't understand what the civil service do

>>3444866
>Fools don't understand what the civil service do

Consume shit loads of money, employe twice the number of people it should do, manufacture 'problems' which can only be 'solved' by legislation written by these bullshit artists who then bamboozle MP's into believing their shit whereupon it becomes legislation and promptly fucks people up even more
Is that some what accurate?

>>3444829
I didn't say just a degree, I said a degree near or in the department they stand for. BA in media studies won't get you in government lol.

I think I understand where you're comming from - we're just looking from two different angles, I think the core of a good government is education and you think it is class-variance.

It's kind of like i'm going for analytical apriori changes and you're going for empirical aposteriori.

>>3444897
You couldn't be more wrong. Such is the life of daily mail reading Tories

>>3444897

There is a good sign in that the Civil service has been losing its influence. This is largely due to the growth of the Kitchen Cabinet and Special advisers. However, having special advisers brings a whole new array of problems.


As for John Major, I like him. I consider him to be one of the few honest politicians. He couldn't run his party for shit though, he was also struck by "EVENTS MY DEAR BOY EVENTS" he couldn't control his cabinet from sleeping around.

>>3444909
enlighten me
I work in the motor trade and from where I'm metaphorically sitting thats exactly what it looks like.
And I'm politically a fence sitter and treat the Mail as the comic it is

>>3444932
The Civil service is there to advice minster. They do the research, of a department, they do the admin, they do the meeting, they write reports which are then sent to the minster or PM to read. Then from that they point what they want to do

The minster or PM will go right find we a way to do this. The civil service will find 3-4 ways

Special advisers are more political in their thinking and fall along party lines

>>3444930
Major might have been honest but like you say he inherited a party riddled with infighting (didnt he get elected party leader because he was the one hated the least) and a party which had been in power for over a decade which was increasingly out of touch with the country at the time.

>>3444962
I was under the impression the cluster fuck proposed 'continues insurance' scheme was largely dreamed up by the CS along with insurance co's having wet dreams.
The whole SORN trade exemption fuck up, which has lead to traders having stock lifted by enforcement agents, was as far as I know written by these knobers in such a way its so ambiguous no one can definitely say what is legal or not

lel

>>3445025
Nothing to do with the civil service

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>>3444618
> the least cunty of which was Tony Blair

>be the north
>amazing industry, platform for biggest empire in human history
>heart of world domination for centuries
>prop up the south, and by extension nearly all of the civilised world
>require assistance in reforming some industry after south fucks everything up and loses empire
>south stabs north in the heart
>uk becomes largely irrelevant as southern agenda is persued

Nice job you cunts did.

>>3445025

Just plain old insurance cuntpanies lobbying to get laws made to screw people out of money.

Civil service involvement would be just following orders from their political masters

>>3444962

Yes, minister.

>>3445159
>oh I'm not so naive as to assume the insurance cunts didn't try and influence the decision process.
I think this is going to degrade into definitions, matey boy above claims it wasn't the CS proposing this, and strictly speaking it wasn't it was the DVLA, but I view anyone employed by the state in a powerful position over peoples lives as the civil service
Put another way -
Guy who pushes a trolley around a hospital - employee of the state
Someone who works for the DVLA, NHS etc in a position to draft proposals and even proposed laws - civil service

>>3444618
>the least cunty of which was Tony Blair.

Are you trolling or retarded? Blair wrecked this country.

>>3445139
Unless you're willing to work for 3p per hour, it's very hard to see how the industrial north can compete with the Far East and India in terms of raw manufacturing.

What you need to do is either develop new high-tech industries or develop a service-centred economy.

But the north didn't do either of those things. The north sat back and whined, went on strike (which is, of course, a great way to convince people to build factories there), collected their benefits and are now onto their third generation of people who just don't feel like working.

>>3445290

people who make the law = politicians
politicians != Civil Service
Politicians = whores for sale

>hurr public sector commie orwellian authoritarian fisuhgsogij