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  • File: 1336788456.jpg-(44 KB, 300x225, solarenergy.jpg)
    44 KB Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:07 No.3092633  
    Hey /pol/, a few days ago I talked to a friend about solar energy and when I mentioned that it isn't very efficient, at the moment, he got really butthurt.
    >BUT, BUT, YOU ONLY HAVE TO INSTALL IT ONCE
    >BUT BUT SOME PEOPLE SELL POWER BACK TO THE ELECTRIC COMPANIES
    >BUT BUT IT'S GREEN!

    So is solar energy actually a productive future for America's energy needs or is it just gimmicky bullshit?
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:09 No.3092660
    gimmicky bullshit
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:10 No.3092674
    >>3092660
    Do you have some support or what?
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:11 No.3092693
    Small solar panels aren't very good. Huge solar towers are more efficient.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:13 No.3092707
    >>3092693
    I mentioned to my friend that some factories rely only on solar energy because their factories have such a large area, and when I mentioned that it isn't efficient enough for individual or a family cases he kept saying:
    >BUT THEY SELL POWER BACK TO THE GRID!
    Do you have a citation why solar panels aren't very good?
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:13 No.3092715
    >>3092633
    Your friend is an idiot and a blowhard who speaks opinions not his own and ideas not of his adoption.

    Solar power has a place, a very important place, in providing energy on the small scale to the point of extreme savings on logistics on that scale. Beyond that, it won't be enough.

    >>3092693
    I have a better idea:
    http://www.stratosolar.com/
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:13 No.3092717
    They say the same thing about wind farms, even though wind farms warm the local climate and kill wildlife.

    They'll defend it because it's "clean" and "green"
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:14 No.3092731
    >>3092717
    >>3092715
    >BUT BUT SOME PEOPLE SELL POWER BACK TO THE ELECTRIC COMPANIES
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:15 No.3092734
    >>3092717
    Who gives a shit about wildlife?
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:15 No.3092743
    Depending on the type of solar panel, some last 20 - 50 years, but the real cost is in the inverters. Liberals should study chemistry and electrical engineering, rather than liberal arts.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:15 No.3092745
    I have a solar panel/water heater. I could tell you this my meter almost stops during the summer
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:15 No.3092747
    >BUT, BUT, YOU ONLY HAVE TO INSTALL IT ONCE

    Except that solar panels degrade within a couple decades so that isn't really true.
    >> The Slavic Caligula !O.N1d/WL9c 05/11/12(Fri)22:15 No.3092750
    >>3092717
    And nuclear isn't green enough.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:16 No.3092760
    sure they help but will never be a primary source as the tech isn't efficient enough to keep up with a normal households electrical needs without spending a small fortune.

    Currently your looking at 30+ years to even break even with the cost of the initial installation.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:16 No.3092762
    >>3092745I have a solar panel/water heater.

    That isn't the same thing, those actually make sense.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:16 No.3092767
    >>3092743
    What costs so much about the inverters?
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:16 No.3092769
    >>3092717
    Oh look over here we have some liberal bird lover here, can't save all the animals faggot.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:18 No.3092796
    >>3092734

    green environmentalists who claim things like wind farms are good forms of alternate energy.

    Little energy output mixed with negative warming effects on local climate and kills wildlife isn't something they can shove in peoples' faces, so they ignore it.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:20 No.3092809
    >>3092762
    ment to say both
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:20 No.3092823
    >>3092796
    I support wind power and couldn't give a fuck about birds, except when I'm hunting them.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:20 No.3092825
    In deserts, where it's sunny all day, everyday. It's worth it. Everywhere else, not so much.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:21 No.3092837
    >>3092796
    >isn't something they can shove in peoples' faces, so they ignore it.
    It's all about the attention.
    If it's something that won't get other people to pay attention to them, they consider it less than worthless, and anything that takes detracts from the attention is to be burned at the stake.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:21 No.3092838
    don't worry guys, it's just alec

    http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/312-16/11368-alec-steps-up-attacks-against-obamas-clean
    -energy-strategy
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:21 No.3092842
    Plants have a photosynthetic efficiency of <10%.

    If, after all this time, nature hasn't been able to do better than that, how well do you think WE can do?
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:22 No.3092848
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    look at how much power solar puts into the grid

    [spoiler]then laugh[/spoiler]
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:22 No.3092859
    >>3092848
    I didn't even see it at first.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:23 No.3092862
    It isn't a panacea, but it could definitely have a place in our energy generation in the future. Technology is improving and costs have decreased significantly in recent years, thanks largely I think to China heavily subsidizing their solar panel industry (which kind of sucks for the US because it's driven companies like Solyndra out of business, but oh well, humanity as a whole will benefit from cheaper solar panels). Think nuclear (LFTR especially) is still the best option in the long run, though.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:23 No.3092863
    are you aussie op? there was a report once about how sellbacks with solar were raising prises for everyone and not cost effective
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:23 No.3092869
    >>3092769

    >implying I care

    I understand this is /pol/ and reading comprehension is something most people don't seem to possess; but, seriously, don't even type if you can't fucking differentiate between list of negatives/drawbacks and personal positions.

    Death of wildlife is a drawback whether someone gives a shit about them or not.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:24 No.3092875
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    >>3092715
    Even better idea:

    Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactors.
    >> Joseph Chamberlain !iB/oZWEbQI 05/11/12(Fri)22:24 No.3092881
    guiz guiz guiz.... like... bear with me guys...

    i have the best idea ever!

    like you know how murrica has a large prison population?

    and you know how niggers are always gonna nig and get arrested right?

    what if... like... we get them to spin turbines manually?

    INFINITE ENERGY!
    >> PlatformistFag !!JuB1MCnwvsO 05/11/12(Fri)22:25 No.3092887
    It can be useful if applied in a way that makes sense. Obviously, solar panels won't save the world, but the technology is still being perfected.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:25 No.3092889
    The math doesnt work out.

    Wind is more efficient.

    And wind is shit.

    Dams and nuclear are where its at.

    Geothermal seems promising as well.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:25 No.3092892
    >>3092869
    How is killing some birds bad? Seriously, I shoot turkey in hunting season all of the time.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:25 No.3092894
    >>3092863
    No, I'm just a rural Virginian. Haden (my friend) doesn't speak so much and when he does it's usually a "yeah" or "oh that's it" that doesn't correspond well with the context of the conversation, but he spoke up about this. "Jacob, they sell power back to the grid." So I just stopped with that.
    >> PlatformistFag !!JuB1MCnwvsO 05/11/12(Fri)22:26 No.3092907
    >>3092892
    It disrupts the local ecosystem.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:26 No.3092911
    My girlfriend's father had these 3 solar panels on the roof of her house. They didn't consumed any electricity from the electric companies but it when the sun went down (about 8) light only lasted till 10.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:26 No.3092913
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    >>3092875

    Oh boy, here come the armchair thorium ambassadors
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:26 No.3092914
    >>3092881
    Better idea--have them grow and harvest switchgrass for biofuel.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:27 No.3092924
    >>3092907
    And...?
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:27 No.3092927
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    >>3092907

    >ecosystems
    >important
    >> The Slavic Caligula !O.N1d/WL9c 05/11/12(Fri)22:27 No.3092935
    >>3092912
    But the wackos do... Thank god, they're wising up on oil being superior to all but nuclear and ethanol (if they used non-corn sources).
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:27 No.3092938
    ITT: people repeating that solar panels are "not efficient enough" just because they heard it somewhere else and it sounds cool to say
    >> PlatformistFag !!JuB1MCnwvsO 05/11/12(Fri)22:28 No.3092939
    >>3092924
    Ecosystem collapse is a bad thing. There's a reason why people want to preserve the rainforests.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:28 No.3092941
    OP is a fag. Pic related.

    No one complains about the "inefficiencies" of tar sands or shale oil.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:28 No.3092948
    >>3092717
    I love it when liberals argue with liberals
    >> PlatformistFag !!JuB1MCnwvsO 05/11/12(Fri)22:28 No.3092950
    >>3092941
    >>3092912
    Strike 2.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:29 No.3092955
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    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:29 No.3092961
    >>3092941
    Yes they do.
    But at least they still turn a profit.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:29 No.3092963
    >>3092875
    based thorium is BASED
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:29 No.3092969
    >>3092938

    Better than people claiming Nuclear reactors are unsafe things that are prone to meltdown and citing Chernobyl as an example.

    Only reason Chernobyl happened was because the fucking retards disabled their already in place fail-safe systems to try a NEW one.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:29 No.3092975
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    >>3092939
    They're building wind turbines in ecosystems, they're building them in shitty areas with wide open spaces, like Texas.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:29 No.3092976
    >>3092924
    >>3092927

    Are you shitting me?
    >Fucking with nature won't come back to bite us in the ass
    Nature covers the quality of the air, water, and soil and how they impact the quality of life for all of earth's inhabitants.

    Are people really this stupid?
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:30 No.3092980
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    >>3092881

    Seems feasible.

    Why aren't we doing this?
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:30 No.3092983
    >>3092950
    >>3092941
    Fuck 4chan x sometimes, you know?

    this shit here:
    >>3092955
    >> PlatformistFag !!JuB1MCnwvsO 05/11/12(Fri)22:30 No.3092984
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    >>3092955
    >Hydro
    >~100%

    Fuck yeah.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:31 No.3093005
    >>3092976
    Are you shitting ME?

    With the sole exception of weather patterns in the troposphere and mesosphere, nature is a localized system, and global nature is a highly redundant system.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:32 No.3093013
    >>3092892

    >How is killing some birds bad?

    It's bad because liberals claim that wind farms are environmentally friendly, yet kill animals in the environment.

    They also claim that things like wind farms would lessen "global warming", yet wind farms have been shown to warm local temperatures.


    How can you claim that this alternative energy is environmentally friendly and lessens the effect of "global warming" when it does the exact opposite?

    You can't; because they are full of shit.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:32 No.3093016
    >>3092969

    Even then, Chernobyl shouldn't have gone up in smoke if they hadn't designed the structure so horribly, the reactor itself was fucking flawed.

    Honestly Chernobyl was such a massive clusterfuck of bad ideas.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:33 No.3093018
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    >cloudy day
    >city out for a day

    >cloudy season
    >city out for a season

    Yeah what could possibly go wrong...
    >> Joseph Chamberlain !iB/oZWEbQI 05/11/12(Fri)22:33 No.3093025
    >>3092914
    >>3092914
    >>3092914

    we could do BOTH! and still have niggers to spare
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:33 No.3093026
    >>3092913
    Yeah, wouldn't want to look into a proven system that ran for 5 years and provided $20,000,000 worth of electricity in 1995 dollars.

    Better "DRILL BABY DRILL!!1!!"
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:33 No.3093030
    >>3092881what if... like... we get them to spin turbines manually?

    Someone in really top physical condition can maintain 250 watts of output for hours at a time on a recumbent bicycle.

    In 2010 the United States consumed 28,714 trillion watt-hours of electricity.

    At the end of 2010 the United States had 2,266,800 people in jails and prisons.

    Assuming a 66 hour work week, and every person in prison is in the same physical condition as Lance Armstrong (after a few months they'd be in pretty damn good shape...), America's prison population could generate 1.945 trillion watt-hours or 0.0067% of our domestic electricity usage.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:34 No.3093036
    >>3092969
    >implying I'm not a fan of nukes

    I just think it is funny when people bash "green energy" just because it is "green" or whatever
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:34 No.3093039
    solar panels are not an efficient way to harness solar energy.

    Tell him we already use solar energy. Solar energy controls weather, powers hydroelectric dams, waters our crops, and provides us with fresh water by evaporating ocean water.. Sunlight enables plants to grow, which feed us and give us building materials and all sorts of other products. We are experts at harnessing solar power efficiently.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:34 No.3093044
    Sure go spend $22,960 after tax rebates to save $35 dollars a month. You might recoup the investment in about 60 years. That doesn’t include stuff breaking, or what happens if you get less than the optimal amount of sun. In reality it’s probably twice as much.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:35 No.3093054
    >nuclear power
    >not 'green'
    IT GLOWS GREEN
    I CALL THAT GREEN ENERGY
    FIND A NEW CATCHPHRASE, COCKSUCKERS
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:35 No.3093055
    >>3093013
    > It's bad because liberals claim that wind farms are environmentally friendly, yet kill animals in the environment.

    I'm a liberal that supports wind power and I say, fuck the animals.

    > They also claim that things like wind farms would lessen "global warming", yet wind farms have been shown to warm local temperatures.

    I don't think that makes any sense. Who gives a shit if they make a 110 degree desert into 130 degree desert? Nothing of value there anyway...
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:37 No.3093082
    >>3093013
    >They also claim that things like wind farms would lessen "global warming", yet wind farms have been shown to warm local temperatures

    >yet

    >implying local and global are the same thing
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:37 No.3093087
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    >people actually believe hundreds of solar farms powering one city (for half a day) is better than one nuclear power plant powering a hundred cities

    Speaking off NPPs, why haven't they ever considered of building them underground? Isn't that safer? Or am I talking nonsense right now?
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:37 No.3093088
    >>3093055
    >Who gives a shit if they make a 110 degree desert into 130 degree desert?
    As a meteorologist, I do.
    I would also like to personally thank you for managing to fuck over global weather patterns and inducing massive drought/monsoon cycles with your shitty windfarms.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:37 No.3093089
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    >>3093026

    Most Thorium-kiddies don't realize that Thorium has to be Irradiated and reprocessed before you can actually use it for energy reactors, thus making it more expensive than uranium.
    If it's more expensive, people wouldn't want to pursue it. So I don't think the U.S. will have Thorium reactors anytime soon.
    >> The Slavic Caligula !O.N1d/WL9c 05/11/12(Fri)22:37 No.3093092
    >>3093055
    People live in Mexicali where it gets on occasion up to 130.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:38 No.3093101
    >>3093092
    If you really want to call those people...
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:39 No.3093116
    >>3093088
    >As a meteorologist, I do.
    I would also like to personally thank you for managing to fuck over global weather patterns and inducing massive drought/monsoon cycles with your shitty windfarms.

    >meterologist

    >thinking windfarms can affect weather on a global scale.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:39 No.3093121
    >>3093055

    Unfortunately you have to deal with the tree huggers, who will oppose anything.

    http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/battle-brewing-over-giant-desert-solar-farm/
    >> The Slavic Caligula !O.N1d/WL9c 05/11/12(Fri)22:39 No.3093129
    >>3093087
    Brilliant idea. Limits nuclear power to places like the salt mines under Detroit.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:40 No.3093135
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    Oh yeah because there's absolutely no chance we'll ever need electricity AT NIGHT.

    Do you libtards ever think anything through?
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:40 No.3093136
    >>3093089
    I hate you with ten minutes of suppressed piss.
    My bladder's frustration will be translated into assembly code, transmitted over TCP/IP into your modem,, and then will be wirelessly broadcasted into your kidneys.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:40 No.3093137
    >>3093089

    I'd like to agree with you, I really do, but then we'd both be wrong.

    http://atomicinsights.com/1995/10/light-water-breeder-reactor-adapting-proven-system.html
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:40 No.3093138
    An onshore windfarm can produce 5 gigawatts of power. We need to invest in wind power to stave off the sand niggers.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:40 No.3093140
    >>3093089
    wtf are you talking about?
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:40 No.3093142
    >>3093015

    No we think that its retarded to blindly allocate money into gimmicky bullshit.

    A meteaor is going to hit earth and kill us all some day. Why arent we investing in a meteor defense system?
    >> PlatformistFag !!JuB1MCnwvsO 05/11/12(Fri)22:41 No.3093146
    >>3093135
    >Energy storage.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:41 No.3093149
    >>3093087
    >Nuclear accidents never happen

    Actually, most people in this thread are retarded. There's absolutely no reason to discount any single source of energy, as no single source of energy can totally fulfil our needs. A diversified energy portfolio is really the only way forward.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:41 No.3093151
    >>3093087

    It probably would be safer to construct them underground.

    Thing is, melt-down's are basically a non-issue on the semi-modern reactors, and are BECOMING a non-issue on the older reactors as they are repaired / fail-safes are updated.

    As some people have pointed out, major meltdowns like Chernobyl only happen because of blatant retardation and horrible design choices.

    MOST of the complexes we build for NR's today are actually capable of containing most of the horrible shit a melt-down, if it occurs despite the large amount of shit designed to prevent one, puts out.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:42 No.3093166
    There's no "good" solution to our energy problems, but solar, wind, geothermal, some types of nuclear, and some types of hydroelectric power are a lot better than what we're currently doing (coal, oil, natural gas). Solar panels are actually pretty efficient IF you install and maintain them correctly. I know some people who make money by selling electricity back to power companies, and their net energy usage is sometimes negative. You also have to live in the right area to get the maximum efficiency out of solar. They also require special rare metals to make, so there's strip mining involved sometimes.

    Wind turbines kill birds and bats, yes, but engineers are constantly working on how to improve the safety of turbines. Mortality rates for birds have been going down for a while because turbine placement is looked at carefully now so as not to cause too much damage to ecosystems.

    The best thing we can do is to build new homes facing south, with built in passive solar heating (look it up) to reduce our energy use in the first place. There are all kinds of fairly simple things people can do do lower costs and usage. Industry also has to lower its energy use and improve efficiency, and then we won't have as much need for solar panels and wind farms.

    If you're a full retard and can't look these things up for yourself, I'll provide sauce if asked.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:42 No.3093171
    >>3092633
    as a general rule the farther you are removed form a power grid the more economical solar power is, solar power has four key factors

    #1 in mass its greatly more efficient than piecemeal

    #2 each year it becomes slightly more efficient / economical / cheaper to the point where it can surpass coal powered electricity including the distribution costs in around 10-15 years on a mass universal scale

    #3 Some parts of the country have an order of magnitude more usable sunlight than others, some geographic areas are ripe for solar, others just are not and will probably see little if any solar

    #4 Despite what anyone rages over, it is a green technology and that has its own benefits separate form cost
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:42 No.3093176
    >>3093121
    "“There are several endangered species, plant and animal, that would be affected by this project,” Ms. Sall said, adding that the “the side-blotched lizard” might also affected."

    Oh no! The side-blotched lizard?! What will the world do without side-blotched lizards?

    Fucking greenpeace peta motherfuckers...
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:43 No.3093182
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    >>3093149
    >diversity in power management
    >> PlatformistFag !!JuB1MCnwvsO 05/11/12(Fri)22:44 No.3093196
    >>3093176
    >Oh no! The side-blotched lizard?! What will the world do without side-blotched lizards?

    >Doesn't know what an ecological niche is.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:44 No.3093199
    >>3093135
    Conservatives are such simple, loud, offensive trolls.

    Always offering simple solutions to complex problems.

    Illegal immigration? JUST BUILD THE WALL HIGHER!!!

    duh lol conservitards....
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:44 No.3093204
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    Pelamis niggers

    Tidal FTW
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:45 No.3093209
    >>3093166There's no "good" solution to our energy problems,

    Eliminating wastage by putting modern insulation in all buildings and replacing those space heaters that happen to be able to light rooms with LEDs would be a good place to start.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:46 No.3093217
    I think the best panels get about 30% efficiency in terms of energy output. Cheaper ones shoot for around 15-20.

    Considering energy and material cost of production and assembly, they're not very great except as a supplementary energy generator to a pre-existing infrastructure.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:46 No.3093219
    >>3093196
    Fuck the niches, too.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:46 No.3093225
    >>3093182
    Hehehe! Soon these goys will have nothing but COLORED energy hehe...

    Green energy, blue energy, yellow energy, but not that evil hazardous white energy!

    You're gonna be electrically enriched, goys, hehe!
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:46 No.3093226
    >>3093176
    Humanity is going to have to accept that if we are to continue to grow in population and consumption we are going to drive more species extinct as humans and human dependent species become an ever increasing portion of the earth's biomass.
    >> The Slavic Caligula !O.N1d/WL9c 05/11/12(Fri)22:46 No.3093227
    >>3093176
    Who cares about a snake that hasn't lost it's legs yet.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:47 No.3093228
    Make every treadmill and workout bike in America in to a energy source.

    Americans are obese, but want to lose weight – they will power the bikes for free.

    Prisoners have to exercise to stay in shape so they won't get raped in jail - they will work for free.

    Energy problem solved, global warming solved, space travel now a realistic option.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:47 No.3093234
    I live in west texas. We have wind farms on top of cotton farms with oil wells and natural gas wells everywhere.

    Shits so cash.
    >> PlatformistFag !!JuB1MCnwvsO 05/11/12(Fri)22:47 No.3093236
    >>3093228
    See
    >>3093030
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:48 No.3093240
    >>3093030
    How much energy could they produce if we forced them to work in coal mines?
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:48 No.3093246
    >>3093234

    Rest of the US, are you even trying?! Get on Texas level!
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:48 No.3093248
    >>3092767

    Grid tie inverters are expensive because they have to sync with the power grid. There are regulations varying from state that define how "dirty" the waveform can be, and the testing/certification adds more cost as well. Due to inflation, manufacturing cost have gone up. PCB, components, etc are more expensive then they were several years ago (you know the good old days before that nigger and those people).

    Inverters have historically been the leading cause of PV system failures. Most people buy Chinese electronics, which are unreliable. A good quality one will last about 10 year, but China quality ones usually blow up before that to the tune of several hundred dollars, and take out other componets. I'M NOT KIDDING ABOUT THEM BLOWING THE FUCK UP (CHINA QUALITY ONES).
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:49 No.3093254
    >>3093176

    Well, it does secrete a hormone from a unique gland that does lead to the cure for human cancer in 2028, but other than that, and if you can get your electricity for $.0000045/kw cheaper, not much.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:50 No.3093266
    >>3093209

    Read the rest of my post.

    You do have a good point though. I agree with you in that reducing energy usage in the first place is the best way to go, but even doing that comes at either an economic cost, an environmental cost, or both.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:50 No.3093270
    >>3093236
    Then we just need to enlist more people, like Mexicans and Arabs in Guantanamo bay
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:52 No.3093284
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    >>3093254

    Too bad we'd never find the hormone anyway since PETAfags strongly oppose allowing the side-blotched lizard to be used in medical research.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:53 No.3093290
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    Here's a fun fact to tell your friend OP (try it on environmentalists at home!)

    Solar energy has been invested in by oil companies since the 70s. It didn't become somewhat profitable until the mid-90s. Many offshore rigs use solar panels to supply their power. How do you reconcile the supposed animosity between petroleum and "clean" power with the fact that oil companies have invested in solar power and other alternate energy sources for decades at a loss?
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:53 No.3093292
    >>3092875
    Engineering problems make it presently unfeasable
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:53 No.3093302
    >>3093254
    Incorrect. It secretes a poison that causes penile cancer.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:53 No.3093306
    >>3093284

    PETA kills more animals than any pharma company out there.

    No really, only about 5% of the Animals they "save" manage to survive.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:54 No.3093308
    >>3093284

    >hermoine
    >> The Slavic Caligula !O.N1d/WL9c 05/11/12(Fri)22:54 No.3093315
    >>3093254
    The FDA won't let that happen anyways.
    >> Anonymous 05/11/12(Fri)22:55 No.3093320
    Build huge turbines in space that get spun by the earth's rotation. Free energy.

    Build a solar panel shield over the melting ice caps. Free energy, and solves global warming

    Build hydro plants on every waterfall and river with a sufficient incline. Free energy.

    Are America engineers even trying?


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