i agree but it will never happen, there are too many homosexuals now and they would protest against any changes, it would cost too much money and votes to try to fight against them

Who are they hurting?

>children can't give informed consent

>therefore it's seen as morally wrong.
therefore it "is" morally wrong

>>3073118
No, that's just your opinion.

>>3073117
There own ass

>>3073117
The vast majority of mental illnesses do not harm people. That doesn't mean we have a national autistic pride day or anything like that.

Instead we try to find explanations for the disorder and try our best to cure these people and get them functioning as normally as we can.

>>3073130
no, it is objectively true

>>3073145
So? They aren't a threat to anyone else.

>>3073079

>talking shit
OP you're such a dumbass

>Pierce Brosnan
fully agree w/ you man

Do people actually hold this opinion or are they just trolls? Seriously, it's 2012 for fuck's sake.

>>3073079
I agree with the sentiment of this. I don't hate gay people but I don't think we should encourage it. It's a type of disorder. And when people say "It's not a life choice" they only cement that position even more. I don't think we should be trying to cure them though, as that would cost money.

I just think we should ignore them completely. Having gay pride etc. is bullshit.

>>3073149
What is "normal"?

0/10
See me after class

>>3073079
because we have better things to worry about than minimizing instances of harmless "illnesses"

especially when any effort to fight against a child becoming gay tends to take the form of child abuse.

its not an illness if it does no harm, but even if we thought of it an an illness, there would be no treatment.

>>3073145
Their own asses.
>pic related
>it's you

>>3073151
I'd like to see you scientifically prove it.

'Morality' doesn't even exist. It's just a man-made concept to help keep order. The reality is that everything is neutral matter which simply exists.

>>3073176
Are you denying the existence of mental disorders?

Because that's the road you're going down.

As I've said before, the only reason it's not officially classified as a mental illness is the fact society doesn't want to call it such. They don't want to upset the homosexuals as it would cause unnecessary conflict.

>>3073207
Actually, it's not classified as a mental disorder because it doesn't meet the definition. It doesn't cause them duress and it doesn't make them a threat to themselves or others. Homophobia fits that definition better.

>>3073194
this is why we have "values" rather than relying on a single concept of morality.

the religious values that ban homosexuality cannot be codified into law under the separation of church and state, because our value of freedom is more important to us.

in turn, our value of protecting children from abuse is MUCH higher than the value of being able to fuck whoever you want.

>>3073221
Actually, you just made that up.
As it's been mentioned several times already ITT, many, many mental disorders do not actually harm the person or others.

>>3073221
aids
yeast infections
persecution

oh yeah, harmless

>>3073207
the reason its not an illness is because it isn't harmful.

the only harm caused by homosexuality is caused by the prejudices of the society which surrounds it.

so ironically, while being gay in not an illness, homophobia is.

>>3073171
>2012
>you still don't know it's a mental disorder

Ignorant

>>3073246
Yes, those mental illnesses severely impede social functioning and cause their sufferers duress. Note that I mentioned that at the start.

>>3073246
not true.

if someone called such a psychological element an "illness", they were wrong.

Homosexuals are gay. There, I said it.

Pierce Brosnan was my first sexual fantasy.

>>3073233
But your values may be different to mine. And the values of one culture or country may be different to that of another.

You can't prove shit. It's all opinions.

>>3073251
see: >>3073246

>>3073221
>gay kids kill themselves over being gay
>trans kids kill themselves over being trans
>not harmful to themselves

>>3073267
Son, I've written papers on the subject. Don't try to tell me what's what.

>>3073247
>AIDS
>Yeast infections

Both happen to straight people, and both are easily avoided by wearing a damn condom.

>Persecution

"People act like an asshole to you for no valid reason, clearly you're mentally ill."

>>3073274
already refuted (by myself and others)

try again.

>>3073283
That has to be the weakest appeal to authority I've ever seen. "Son, I had an opinion and I put it on paper, don't try to argue with me"

>>3073276
yeah, that's how it works when its a society driving you to suicide rather than your own mental condition.

2/10.

Try harder faggot.

i believe i am the queen of england

im not harming myself, im not harming others

therefore, its not a mental disorder according to the logic ITT......

yeah, no

>>3073079
>Homosexuality is a mental illness
Even if you could provide a solid definition of mental illness, and there exists none, it would be incredibly difficult to justify banning homosexuality on that ground. Even if you have some moral opposition to it, it is of no harm to you.

There aren't that many gay people around. You aren't likely to meet a lot of gay people, especially if you run in a more conservative crowd (and you sound like you do).

Regardless of your own views, and even though I know you're trolling, I really don't know why you care.

>PEOPLE DO THINGS I DON'T LIKE
I don't like people putting sugar in their coffee. It annoys me when house guests ask for sugar – they're ruining a nice cup of coffee, as far as I'm concerned.

I'll call them out for being party to such morally reprehensible behaviour, but I'm not going to protest about it. I'm not going to demand sugar be banned from Starbucks, or whatever coffee-hole they prefer. They're not trying to fuck up my coffee, as I have my own cup. Why should I really care what they're doing to their cup?

>>3073276
The suicidal urge that comes from social ostracism is already its own mental problem. They're no more mentally ill than a fat person that kills themselves after being harassed is.

>>3073283
ooooo, look out for this guy, chaps. he's written PAPERS.

>>3073294
You can't have an opinion on a fact.
You can argue whether it's 'right or wrong' if you want but you can't argue something which actually has a correct factual answer.

tl;dr I'm not debating this with you, I'm telling you

>>3073308
>implying you can function normally in society if you think you're the queen of england

>>3073304
>>3073315
Yeah because black suicide rates pre civil rights era where high.

>>3073317
And I didn't have to in order to tell you what I did.

I learned it when I was 16 doing a psychology class.

But yeah, writing books on the subject doesn't hurt your understanding.

>>3073320
>I'm not debating this

You do understand that the concept of mental illness is incredibly poorly defined and entirely subjective, right? There are more credible arguments for mental illness not actually existing than there are for homosexuality being one.

>>3073311
Because they're gonna make it so there's only coffee with sugar in it.
And then they'll make your sugarless coffee really expensive.

>>3073304
more like they have an illness where their mental functioning and body do not match - this is due to one or more circumstances, genetic, prenatal, etc where chemistry, hormones, or dna fucks up development. The irreconcilable mental dissonance is what causes them to kill themselves

0 reason to celebrate it.

>I don't like what grown people do in their private time
>It should be banned

>>3073332
>Implying all blacks don't have a mental illness

They talk to themselves all the time, singin' and shit.

>>3073332
blacks have always been surrounded by black culture, gay people have no such luxury.

I agree with OP to an extent.
I don't think we should be trying to 'cure' them though. Why bother? There are more serious issues to deal with.

>>3073375
what like child molesters?

We are. Science is working right now to make things which can effect people's orientation. It will never be perfect, at least not anytime soon, but once the time comes that people can at least turn them bisexual, which gives them the option to live normally, a lot of people will be freed from thinking that living homosexual is something they have no choice but to do.

Our only hope is to hold off the influence of people who DON"T WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THIS ABILITY (Which strangely enough is the people who claim to be the most tolerant) until it becomes more widespread, and people understand that there's now more options open to them.

>>3073428
so you're saying gay sex is automatically rape?

>>3073194

>I'd like to see you scientifically prove it.

id like to see you scientifically prove that a raging case of smallpox is unhealthy, whatever answer you give i canl simply say "thats not how I choose to think about health"

if you cant even prove that smallpox is unhealthy why should anyone ever care what you have to say

>>3073339
>and entirely subjective
What? No it's not. The-
>credible arguments for mental illness not actually existing
Oh you were just trolling.
Sneaky fucker.

4/10

>>3073375
>I don't care if an old man walks with his junk out and sits on the bus seat next to me, naked, because it's his own time
>HURRRRRR.

Yeah, I don't like faggots fagging about. If they did it at home, sure, whatever. I don't want this shit in my society, though. It's a mental illness, or at the very least, if it isn't, then pedophilia isn't either. It's the same damn level of "sick".

Why is this troll getting so much attention? Fine, I'll feed you, but just this once.

You have no right to tell people what they can or cannot get a boner over

You have no right to tell anybody who they can have sex with

You have no right to tell anybody what sexual preference they must be

There. And don't bother arguing this you fucking moron because this is common fucking sense. It's not the 1950s, we've progressed since then. Just listen to what you are saying here, you are literally telling people they cannot find something attractive because you dont like it. Just...think about that. No ad hominems in reply, no strawman, i dont want this shit, just consider how fucking retarded that sounds please.

>>3073453
what? no im saying i have a problem with 'what people get up to in their private time'

>>3073079
Legalization isn't encouragement.

The government has no place telling what I can and cannot do, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

If it is considered a mental illness for the sole sake that they cannot expressly pro-create, then a whole slew of other mental illnesses that interfere with procreation (a-sexuality, social anxiety, depression) should be considered illegal as well.

It is a fundamental over-stepping of government boundaries that runs contrary to the basic principles of a western humanist society that's based on the concept of equality to legislate subjugation of a subculture whose views (which harm no one but themselves) you don't agree with.

That right there son, is irrefutable. They're gay, it doesn't matter in the same way my neighbor being a jewish hipster doesn't matter

>>3073380
thats not what i was implying
>>3073412
but there was time when society hated them as well

both homosex and heterosex are mental illnesses.

humans should run on pure reason and logic.

>>3073448
at the end of the day, even if homosexuality was a choice, there wouldn't be anything wrong with it.

so yeah, the notion of curing such a thing is pure, stupid, subjective, sexual morality.

protip: sexual morality has one important factor. consent.

>>3073459
THIS

They are both unacceptable and shouldn't be allowed or encouraged in public.

>>3073459
>raping children is equal to two consenting adults doing something you don't like

You're a fucking psychopath, you know that?

>>3073474
but the reason pedophilia is wrong is because it isn't consensual, which is why its rape.

All thoughts that deviate from the norm are forms mental illness. Atheism and other 'free thinkers' are one subset of disorders, similar to radical Islamists. People who suffer from these problems are a danger to society and, if left to fester freely, civilisation. Only institutionalizing them in facilities equipped to handle their special needs, and preventing them from misguidedly passing their genes to the next generation, is Western Civilization to survive.

>>3073458
Actually, they are entirely subjective. What's considered a mental illness varies greatly from society to society. What's considered crazy in one society may be considered a desirable or lauded trait in another.

Gentlemen, we don't want to ban homosexuality, we want it to be recognised as a mental disorder and not to be promoted as something "normal", being unnatural.

>>3073493
Mentally ill people i.e. homosexuals are unable to give proper consent.

Do you think it's fair that I seduce an Alzheimer's patient and convince them I love them in order to have sex with them?

But if they give consent.....

No, it's wrong. Because the mentally ill are in no position to make such a call.

>>3073526
>Homosexuals are incapable of rational thought.

Yep, you're either a troll or a bigot.

>>3073518
>What's considered a mental illness varies greatly from society to society

Yeah, but we'll use the one with decades of psychological science behind it rather than some 'opinion' created by some hippy faggot.

>>3073481
Autism isnt illegal. But we dont try to make autism seem to be healthy or normal. Which is what gay marriage does. I dont care that they are gay. I dont want them to think its normal.

>>3073539
>psychological science

Psychology isn't a science.

>>3073532
>Have sex with men
>Goes against the vast majority of population
>No evolutionary benefits
>Completely irrational behaviour
>Cannot be explained by logic

And you think they are capable of rational thought? You must be trolling...

>homosexuality harmless
>pretty much the main catalyst for the AIDS epidemic in the Western World
>harmless

>>3073541
> I dont want them to think its normal.

but it is,

>>3073557
>implying that the trash that's popping out millions of children while being economically incapable of caring for them is making a rational decision

>>3073541
Autistic people can get married.

>>3073541
this
what are children going to think? they will be confused "daddy is marrying another daddy?"

i believe IT IS harmful to others, it's harmful to society as a whole

>>3073569
about as normal as a tumor. yes its 'natural' but that doesnt mean its good

>>3073583
Thats not the point.

>>3073557
>Goes against the vast majority of population
>No evolutionary benefits
>Completely irrational behaviour
>Cannot be explained by logic

Actually, homosexuality is present throughout nature, and DOES serve a purpose. Usually as a form of population control, by increasing the number of creatures that can gather food / look after young without increasing the breeding population.

By your logic, bee stings shouldn't happen, since they kill the bee. What's the evolutionary advantage of that, right, if it kills the individual stopping them from passing on their genes?

>>3073557
>No evolutionary benefits
you know nothing about evolution
>Completely irrational behaviour
you know nothing about rationality
>Cannot be explained by logic
you know nothing about logic

>pretty much the main catalyst for the AIDS epidemic in the Western World
no it isnt

>>3073587
It's about as natural as red hair. A variant in brain functioning that isn't going to be cured and can't be prevented. It doesn't prevent them functioning in society and causes absolutely no harm to anyone else.

>>3073526
so gay people are sick because they rape people and its rape because they're fucking the mentally ill.

cool story bro.

I can't wait until time leaves you guys behind.
I feel stupider just sharing a planet with you.

>>3073583
The point is we don't have a fucking Autism pride day, do we?
We don't say how great it is when you find out somebody is Autistic, do we? We say "Fuck, that sucks, I feel sorry for him"

When it comes to homosexuality we're at the point where people actually are given credit for coming out. The media is full of homosexuals and lesbians. It's a thing which is celebrated.

That's the point.

>>3073587
>that doesnt mean its good
but it is

>>3073616
>you dnt kno anything

Can you please go and sit at the kids table now? The adults are speaking.

>>3073583
LOL. HE CANT HELP IT, HONEY. HE HAS TEH AUTISM. AUTISM. AUTISM. HURR DURR.

Homosexuality was some what explained by science

It's when the brain thinks the body is the opposite sex because of weird genetic mix

It often occurs when the mother was stressed while carrying the baby

>>3073601
except, thats not how bees work.

they have a queen, all the workers and stinging ones are female.
they only have a few males which is all they do....fuck the queen.

so that doesnt work, because the insect world is WEIRD.

>>3073630
>That's the point.
no it isnt

ITT

>I don't like it, so I demand that the rest of society acquiesce to my bigotry and ostracize these perfectly functional individuals.

>>3073601
The world isnt even close to over population. Evolution isnt a light switch either. I cant 'turn gay off and on' like you say.

>>3073468
>You have no right to tell people what they can or cannot get a boner over

Child pornography laws.

>You have no right to tell anybody who they can have sex with

Age of consent laws.

>You have no right to tell anybody what sexual preference they must be

Bestiality.

>>3073622
This is another thing that annoys me about homosexuals.
When you bring up discussions about it supporters take the "YOU MUST BE FUCKING RETARDED IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT FAGS"

And it's them who preach about 'tolerance' laughably ironic...

>>3073675
you seem to confuse tolerance for moral reletavism

that is why you fail

>>3073569
>Cancer is good for you!

>>3073672
>Child pornography laws

I wouldn't support throwing someone in jail for kiddie porn any more than I'd support throwing someone in jail for having a video of an execution.

>age of consent laws

Children can't be considered to consent, end of story.

>Bestiality

I see no reason it should be illegal while we continue to support the meat and fur industries.

>>3073666
Sorry, if you don't elaborate I'm going to have to assume you are at the least a simpleton.

Is the pedophile movement next?

>>3073692
>attack people with signs who disagree
>tolerant

>>3073630
Autism spectrum disorders can be incredibly debilitating. Being gay isn't. However, some autistic people show extreme talents in memorisation, maths, languages etc. If whatever mutation that caused these benefits altered to allow for fairly normal social functioning they'd be at a huge advantage, and it would be us who would be looked down upon.

Being gay is a complete wash. It only affects your chances of reproduction.

>>3073692
>moral reletavism
Confirmed for 14 year old doing an introduction to philosophy at school.

Fuck off.

I love how conservitards can't into analogies.

you keep hearing these santorum-esque comparisons between homosexuality, pedophilia, bestiality, ect.

but by god they'll ENDLESSLY deny that the gay marrage debate bears ANY resemblance to previous efforts to keep inter-racial marriage outlawed.

>>3073698
autism isnt homosexuality

pretty simple bro

after gay rights, they'll be pedo rights.

Pedo rights is good, because they wont have to keep it a secret, or kidnap anymore.

>>3073707
Autism is just one example of a mental disorder.
Nobody is comparing it to homosexuality. We are merely using another mental disorder as an analogy.

As mentioned hundreds of times already ITT, there are MANY, MANY illnesses which do not debilitate anyone.

>>3073720

autism is a mental disorder, like homosexuality.

>>3073720
see
>>3073727
Also, your argument does not address my own. That's called a strawman argument.

>>3073692
what about all the people who's religion is against it, yet they are called backwards bigots?

or maby some people just think it isnt a good idea in the grand scheme of things, both people would be slammed and called bigots, even though its their own personal reason and it may not even be originated in hate.


so yeah, gays can be intolerant bastards too.....in fact id argue the left is the most bigoted and racist side of the political system.

Homosexuality isn't a mental illness, it's sexual deviancy. Anything that doesn't involve reproductive sex between a man and a woman is sexually deviant. It's not in anyone's interests to punish such behaviour if it occurs between consenting parties.

Oral sex is sexually deviant (and in fact used to be covered by sodomy laws in many places), as is anal sex, as are handjobs... Threesomes are sexually deviant, masturbation is sexually deviant... Scatological sex acts, sado-masochistic sex acts as well... I don't understand the point of cracking down on any of these things. Yes, they're deviant, yes, you can point to them as manifestations of sexual disorders... but having the government interfere in these things is simply unnecessary. I can't think of a bigger waste of my tax money than a crackdown on such things.

>>3073727
Name one.

Bonus points: name one that isn't heavily contested in its status as a mental illness, such as paraphilia. Do this while keeping in mind that psychology IS NOT A SCIENCE.

>>3073738
>mental disorder
words have meanings.
learn english.

>Homosexuality
>Cause of the AIDS epidemic
>Causes many families to be torn apart
>Ruins society
>Not debilitating

I lol'd hard. Pretty sure AIDS is one of the worst killers of all time.

>>3073499
Who said rape?
Nobody was talking about rape.
Being attracted to children is at the same level as being gay. They're both a sexual preference error that you are born with.

That said, if the child itself approaches you and is curious, why not, if you're a pedophile? Because society decided that one is right and the other one isn't? Right.

Be consistent, and stop your bullshit strawmanning. Nobody said rape. Only consensual sex, and not even that, just the idea that liking children is no more morally wrong than being gay, and no "sicker".

>>3073742
Both of those are valid reasons to hate someone. Willing ideological choices are willing ideological choices. I'd no sooner look down on someone for hating on religious grounds than I would look down on someone for hating a neo-nazi.

>>3073755
You're a fucking idiot.
Psychology is clearly a science, one of the more important ones.
You don't know shit about shit.

>>3073764
Children cannot consent. You sick fuck.

>>3073703
>>3073710
>complain about homos not being tolerant of your irrational bigotry

tolerance doesn't mean your're entitled to your own opinions since your opinions are wrong,

>>3073755
>psychology IS NOT A SCIENCE
really faggot?

Psychology is the study of the mind, occurring partly via the study of behavior.[1][2] Grounded in scientific method,[1][2] psychology has the immediate goal of understanding individuals and groups by both establishing general principles and researching specific cases,[3][4] and for many it ultimately aims to benefit society.[5][6] In this field, a professional practitioner or researcher is called a psychologist, and can be classified as a social scientist, behavioral scientist, or cognitive scientist. Psychologists attempt to understand the role of mental functions in individual and social behavior, while also exploring the physiological and neurobiological processes that underlie certain cognitive functions and behaviors.

>>3073773
So, subjective, non-repeatable results that can't be effectively and empirically reviewed are science now? Gotcha.

>>3073762
>cause of aids
oh wow, we've got one of those "gay plague" guys.
be trolling please.

>>3073773
>>3073787
I believe he probably meant "exact science", but whether or not it's science won't stop homosexuality from being a mental deficiency.

>>3073775
So?
You're missing the point.

They are BOTH mental illnesses. What part of that don't you understand?

They are both errors in sexual preference.

Apparently OP is a heterosexual that assumes that everyone is heterosexual and every heterosexual is expected to procreate.

The real reason why some heterosexuals hate gays because a) They do not procreate and b) They do not participate in the peer manhood culture.

If everyone is heterosexual, the population of the Earth will be a lot larger than 6 billion.

If you don't like gays, heterosexual marriage is still available to you.

>>3073738
>autism is a mental disorder,
yes
>like homosexuality.
no

do you see where you are going wrong?

>>3073775
"Are you hungry, do you want food?"
<Nod>
"NOPE SORRY LOL CAN'T TRUST YOU, YOU'RE A CHILD. BETTER JUST FORCEFEED YOU WHENEVER IT'S CONVENIENT FOR ME."

God damn it, this shit is not a fucking choice or at the very fucking least a consciousnesses choice.

Making something legal is not encouraging something, nor is it discouraging it, it is merely removing an unnecessary and immoral barrier.

I will say this flat out now: No activity which does not involve force, fraud, coercion, or the violation of one's inalienable rights (life, liberty, property), should be illegal. No matter how bad it is for one's self, no matter how sick and disgusting the majority of society thinks it is, if it does not harm, it should by default be legal.

Homosexuality should not be illegal. Should we actively encourage it? Obviously not, as it does not result in reproduction. Should we discourage it by making people feel horrible for what they're born with? Not unless we want to increase the suicide rate of people who can still contribute to society, even if they don't contribute to the population increase.

>>3073775

babies cant but kids 8 and up can consent.

>>3073769
wow, you missed the point and failed to answer.

reread that you retard.

if you have a traditional or religious reason to not allow gay marriage, yet have no problems with gays, you are not a bigot. you have a view point. but to turn around and insult these people who do not actually hate, is in fact bigotry.

plus its a double standard.

>>3073079
> homosexuality is present throughout nature
So is slavery, incest, cannibalism, necrophilia and murder.

>>3073790
Psychology uses objective statistics from a variety of complicated statistical tests including ANOVAs, MANOVAs correlations, multiple regression, linear regression and a huge range of corrections.

No result which is not replicated is taken seriously. When has this ever happened? All the work is reviewed multiple times over a period of years before it's even taken seriously as a theory let alone applying it to practise.

You are really embarrassing yourself here with your lack of understanding of what Psychology really is.

Pro-tip: It's not 1890 anymore, we now have PET and MRI scans we can accurately track and trace EEG signals. Its probably the most progressive science that exists today and it's only going to improve from enhanced technology.

tl;dr you're a dumb cunt

>>3073839
>at the very fucking least a consciousnesses choice.
>consciousnesses
>this is the actual intelligence of faggots

>>3073802
>They are both errors in sexual preference.
no, sexual orientation is not

>>3073630
>we don't have a fucking autism pride day, do we?
Absolutely correct. We have an Autism pride month. It's April.

>>3073847
No, they actually are intellectually incapable of processing the information necessary for consent. What they can do is put on the facade of being one who consents through agreeable language, though in their mind they had not the actual ability to consent.

>>3073859
I am mildly drunk right now, I am a connoisseur not an alcoholic, and I am sorry I can't spell right now.

>>3073884
If psychology is not an exact science, how do you know this?

>>3073820

It doesn't take a genius to work out that children are impressionable in their relationships with older people. Paedo laws are there to protect kids from being manipulated and used at an age when they have poor judgement and are vulnerable. Indeed, Paedo laws in most jurisdictions emerged as a reaction to child prostitution... this is because it's so much easier to manipulate a child into that life than it is a full-grown adult.

>>3073859
look asshole,unfortunately i am an ego dystonic faggot and i assure you i did not want to be a fucking faggot.psychotherapy doesn't work and unless big pharma comes up with something i'll just have to a)kill myself b)deal with it.But i assure you it is not a choice,it is a fucking tragedy.

>>3073874
>if I ignore everything else and just say this one line again and again it becomes truth

>>3073879
No, it's Autism AWARENESS month.
i.e. let's all band together and help provide support and care for sufferers of this illness whilst aiming to find cures or relief for them.

I seriously hope there are no libertarians here arguing against homosexual rights.
If so, stop calling yourself libertarian.

>>3073079
>Homosexuality is a mental illness
APA says NOOOOOPE

>>3073890
But neurology is and it proves transsexualism is biological, not mental. I do not know about gays though. Just Google bsct transsexualism.

>>3073850

>slavery
Infringes upon the rights of others
>incest
Should be legal between adult family members, infringes upon the rights of others otherwise
>cannibalism
infringes upon the rights of others
>necrophilia
infringes upon the rights of others
>murder
infringes upon the rights of others

>>3073890
Psychology isn't a science but neuroscience, psychiatry and the study of the development human brain is very much an exact science.

>>3073917
>you
missing the point and changing the argument

>>3073917
>dead people have rights

Figures, since they're also allowed to vote.

>>3073903
What am I if I believe in the main American Conservative main line save for gay marriage, trans-rights, separation of church and state?

>>3073946
You

>>3073748
we arent cracking down on handjobs

we are telling the gov to bust down the doors of gays either

>>3073918
Psychology is all of those things.

Psychiatry is a profession within the field of psychology. All psychiatrists are psychologists. Not all psychologists become psychiatrists.

Neuroscience is a field of study which draws on psychology and the anatomy of the human brain. It's a 50-50 split between biology and psychology.

The development of the human brain is 100% psychology.

>>3073928

You have the right for your remains to be treated in the way you want them to be. Necrophilia should only be allowed where you have explicitly given consent for your corpse to be fucked.

>>3073928
If you lived in the south before the mid 60s, white people could vote despite being dead.

Who gives a fuck. We SHOULD encourage it because:

>more available chicks
>reduction in population
>more orphans find homes with loving parents
>increased competition, and therefore lower prices for interior decoration
>they are good to score drugs off
>if your chick has a gay friend, he will take her shopping so you have more free time
>if you have a gay friend, he makes a good wingman cos u know he isn't going to cut your grass

I fucking love fags, no homo

Op is a closet fag /thread

>>3073971
but muh bible

>>3073966
List of personal things anyone should care about after own death(discarding welfare of loved ones, inheritances, etc):
>...

>>3073968
What the actual fuck

>>3073079
Yet, they all occur in "nature", just like homosexuality.

>>3073983
He believes what a bunch of sheep herders wrote over 2000 years ago in some middle east shit hole.

>>3073957

I was responding to OP, who thinks all sexual deviancy should be fought. If you're coming at it from a 'homosexuality isn't natural' perspective, you're hypocritical if you want homosexuality to be fought but are ok with sexual deviancy between a man and a woman being permitted.

I was pointing out the logical inconsistency to that position.

>>3073079
>more available chicks
True
>reduction in population
Not reduction, but limits the growth
>more orphans find homes with loving parents
Indeed. However, mentally ill people should hold responsibility of children
>increased competition, and therefore lower prices for interior decoration
wat?
>they are good to score drugs off
wat?
>if your chick has a gay friend, he will take her shopping so you have more free time
err nope
>if you have a gay friend, he makes a good wingman cos u know he isn't going to cut your grass
meh

>>3073914
Not the guy.
But yeah, of course it's biological. Was anyone arguing against that? Being a fag is most likely biological, or you could change it, which you don't seem to be able to. The way our species survives is by fucking and having children, though.

Gays can not have children, and so, gays are a biological dead end. They lead nowhere.
Organisms that lead nowhere are not working as intended, as the only way for life not to die out is to produce new life.

>>3074015
What a man and woman do is nothing to do with it though. As long as they are attracted to each other it's ok.

When a man is attracted to another man. It isn't ok as it deviates the norms of society. Not just in one culture but it happens independent of culture suggesting it is indeed a cognitive or neurological illness.

>>3074038
> It isn't ok as it deviates the norms of society.

So did rock music.

>>3074002

>implying that society's norms are even remotely worth protecting

Only authoritarian swine think so.

>>3074045
If you can't see the difference, I'm not continuing this with you.

And rock music wasn't culturally independent.

>>3074036
>working as intended

What intention is there to an organism's existence. Is there a concious will directing the evolution of life?

>>3073079
I am bi and I agree with you.

>>3074083
>I'm an uncle tom, and I agree with you.

>>3074038
>It isn't ok as it deviates the norms of society.

Define "norms of society"

>>3073991

If you had a wife you were deeply in love with and she died, I doubt you'd be careless about her being fucked daily, nightly and ever so rightly by necrophiliacs. And if she loved you back I'm sure she wouldn't be so careless about putting you through that if she had the choice.

Ultimately it doesn't harm anyone in a physical sense, but emotionally it's quite damaging to deprive people of that right.

>>3074098
>your rights end where my feelings begin

>>3074076
>culturally independent.
?

>>3074090
>I'm an aunt jemima and would you like some pancakes?

>>3074081
Actually yes there is. Maybe not conscious but unconsciously people make evolutionary based decisions every day.

>>3074062
I am never going to be able to run from this am I? At least no one would fap to it. In a few more months my tits will round out and look normal.!

>>3074107
>your rights end where MUH BIBBEL begins

>>3074115
>>3074093

If a mental or cognitive behaviour or set/pattern of behaviours

Statistically infrequent
and Occurs independently of culture

Then it's pretty much a nailed on mental illness.

Hope this helps.

>>3074124
BITCH, WHERE ARE MY PANCAKES AND MAPLE SYRUP!!!!!?????

GIMME THEM PANCAKES AND PLAY WITH MY BALLS WHILE I ENJOY THEM!!!!

I'm gay, and I leave life perfectly fine.

You mad?

>>3074170
No, faggot.

>>3074124

Dunno why, but this made me lol hard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistic_Pride_Day

I thought you guys said there wasn't an autistic pride day?

I'm also gay and I'm perfectly happy.

How does it feel to be forever alone status OP?

>>3074170
you dont leave a mess killing your self?

well thats very considerate for the maids.

>>3074193
Like shit. Would a gay guy like someone like me by chance? It seems like no to me.

>>3074038

If a man wants his girlfriend to peg him that is fundamentally deviant and psychologically unnatural. But because it's between a man and a woman it's ok in your book... this seems an entirely arbitrary line to draw between deviant, unnatural acts. In short, you're using the sexual disorder argument when it suits you to weed out the sex acts you personally object to.

Gay guy here. Guess who doesn't give a fuck what you feel OP

This guy, that's stroking some dik

>>3074191
1. That's not a very well known day. In fact, I'd never heard of it before today
2. "Just as society learned to accept homosexuality, organisations such as the Autism Assembly and Aspies for Freedom say it should accept “neurodiversity” as something to celebrate rather than cure. In June, the organisations launched the first annual Autistic Pride Day, with events around the world, to persuade the rest of us — the “neuro-typicals” — that autistic people are “unique individuals” who should not be seen as cases for treatment."

For all those faggots complaining about comparing Autism to Homosexuality.

>>3074226
I jellly. I wish I could have settled on being game.

So, i'm gay. But, the thing is you would never know that i was.

I'm actually pretty normal. It's not like I haven't dated chicks. But, I just happen to fall in love with a guy. So there you go.

>>3074226
how do you feel about the log cabin folk?

>>3074217
>If a man wants his girlfriend to peg him
But he would be embarrassed about anyone else finding out about it.

And if he wasn't embarrassed, yes he'd have some sort of mental illness.

>>3074270
Would you date a chick like me?

>OP

>Muh feelings.


Seriously though, homo sex is pretty awesome

>>3074270
>tfw straight til 17 then became gay but you still fall in love with chicks.

I hate being a goddamn faggot.Fuck my life

>>3074284

Maybe if I knew you were, and we had the same interest.

>>3074282

You'd only be embarassed if you have a stigma against it. I'm sure you have sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation.

>>3074170
Enjoy your AIDS.

>>3074341
enjoy your clap.

>>3074318

It's not like your preference is set in stone.

Have you ever consider that you're just bi?

>>3073247
>AIDs
So a few Africans fucking a monkey is a correlation to homosexuals? True there are large amounts of homosexuals with AIDs it's because anal sex is more likely than any other. Does that mean only gays get it? No I've met guys with AIDs who got it from women
>Yeast infections
Women can naturally get yeast infections from not cleaning. What does that have to do with being gay?
>Persecution
By that logic I should kill myself because someone called me a white devil

You were really grasping for straws at this one huh?

>>3074318
You're either bi or pan.

>homosexuality is a mental illness

So is autism, but we still allow people to be autistic. It's not like mental illness is always a bad thing. Hell, name one genius that wasn't a little bit nutters.

>>3074341

>aids

Being a slut in general will give you aids.

>>3074360
well i am still slightly attracted to women but it would be really hard for me to have a relationship with a woman especially if she wants to fuck a lot.I mean i could go probably 5 times a week under my conditions but i would definitely be exposed to embarassing moments.This stuff is killing me.I'm actually seeing a therapist now.

>>3074424
Find a tranny then. Best of both worlds

So why do girls get so mad at homos how are somewhat normal.

But, befriend the ones that are complete and utter flammers.

>>3074457
>how are somewhat normal.

What?

>>3074457

who*

derp

gay people like tennis and gave birth to MMA which is just brazilian jujutsu which is sweaty dudes rolling on the ground.

they must be exterminated.

>>3074549
muh feelings

>>3073671
>what is epigenetics

>>3074549

>hurr tennis and mma are gay

Well I can see that the summerfags are out.

See you in fall /pol/, I'm out.

>>3073742

Here's the difference, chuckles: the gays may not tolerate the religious people's beliefs, but they don't ACTIVELY CAMPAIGN EN MASSE TO MAKE THOSE BELIEFS ILLEGAL.

Religious fucks gonna religious fuck, and I'm happy to let them do it, as long as they don't try to codify their beliefs into discriminatory law.

Religious fucks just pushed through a constitutional amendment in NC that doesn't just hurt gays, it hurts any unmarried longtime couple, all in the name of their precious beliefs. That shit is WRONG.

It's not a human only thing, its quite natural

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

who doesent like railing a sweet ass? my wife acts like a man all day makes alpha males grevel at her mastergender feet. So at the end of a long day of being a man she likes to be submissive. Am i gay for fucking that sweet ass of a male acting dude. Am i gay for going down on her? is it the act or the mens rea thats the gay part?

>>3074780
so is rape, murder, theft, infanticide, genocide (chimps do all of this btw) and even pedophilia

>>3074953

>Deciding what two grown should do with their genitalia.

So far you just proof you're the bigger faggot.

i think you're responding to the wrong guy.....

>>3074780
schizophrenia and autism are found in the animal kingdom as well. Its natural

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality in and of itself; that being said, it IS a disorder because you can't pass on your genes. Instead of being attracted to a proper mate, you're attracted to someone who can't give birth or father your child.

so its wrong to fuck with birthcontrol?