>there is a large chance they are a skillless loser with no work experience that is of use to no one.

Story of my life.

This is the story of my life too. I'm sick of being treated like someone disposable, and I'm sick of being told "apply online faggot, and maybe we'll get back to you."

This is why we need a youth movement. Oust the boomers. Seize their assets and pensions to pay their debts.
Then we work together. We emulate things like the nazi work programs and the new deal. Put the people to work, help fix what went wrong.
The free market must be tamed. Bent to the will of man rather than permitting it to consume men.

But above all. Ideology must be slain. Results must be valued over belief.
We must combine the approach of fascism with the social conscience of the hippy movement.

>>3018624
>apply online faggot, and maybe we'll get back to you

that's code for "you're not getting hired unless you know someone in charge"

or, for hourly work, it's code for "you're not getting hired unless you are a mexican"

Since /pol is full of Gen Y, this really should ring true with almost everyone herr. i know it did for me

>>3018678
I'm so sick of being outright lied to by the Baby Boomer generation, they say "we'll call you back at 4:00 on Thursday." I clear my schedule and wait by the phone like a dog on Thursday, and don't get a call, I call and email them, and still no callback.

>>3018677
>>3018730

Stop blaming individual boomers, blame culture.

It's horrendous for my youngest brother. He's been hired by 3 large chains long enough to be let go just shy of his benefits kicking in. But of course the fucking unions didn't hesitate to take his money and fight for nothing.

Now he can't get a loan to go to college even if he wanted to. He can't find a job because apparently high school isn't enough. He's a fucking security guard for 3 months now and he's of the opinion he'll be let go 5months 3 weeks and 6 days into it right before his benefits kick in.

Honestly don't know what to suggest he do. I lucked out and am technically a Gen X'er I imagine since I graduated highschool in 98. I work for the fed. But I can't get him in. Can't get placement for myself even.

Haven't a clue what to do about it

>>3018757

Their culture is a product of them.
We have to accept that they have to pay for it. We can't afford to pay for them. So they have to pay.

>>3018515
>Going to school starts you off with debt
I work part time now. I will work less part time when school starts back up. I earn enough that I won't have to worry about my schooling. My scholarships are icing on the cake. I can buy anything I want or need without worrying. I also go to an in-state public school.

Why are so many college kids in debt

>>3018515
>The world situation is not understand

"UNDERSTOOD", NOT "UNDERSTAND".

I THINK THAT YOU ARE "GENERALLY" ACCURATE.

ANARCHOFASCISM IS THE FUTURE.

>>3018815
because most people in college don't deserve to be there, but society has gotten to the point where being a manager at a McDonalds requires a bachelor's degree in liberal arts

>>3018815

I think I finally understand why people label people as "privileged"

>>3018870
I'm not privileged. I worked hard to get my job, I work hard in college now. I worked harder than most of the drones in high school so I could get scholarships. The only privilege I've been afforded is that I understand that things take hard work.

>>3018815
Because boomer parents aren't happy with their kids going to a local school, how do you brag about your kid doing two years in a community college to save money or getting a accounting degree from state U?

>>3018893

Lots of unemployed people worked and still work hard to find work, but come up short.

Ill accept that you are legitimate when it comes to finding scholarships and being able to net them. That is your merit, but when it comes to work I cannot settle for anything over winning the "resume lottery"

>>3018893
It is still zero sum, if all the drones worked harder, you would have to work even harder to stand out and get a scholarship.

>>3018851

The problem here in the UK is we had the last few governments pushing this idea that everyone can work in an office and everyone should get a degree.
The New Labour/Thatcherite dream was for everyone to be middle class. But obviously this is impossible. Society needs people at every level. It's a pyramid. Overload one part of the pyramid and it becomes unbalanced.

Right now the pyramid is thus:

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Shit just can't work especially when resources aren't split in the right proportions.

>student debt
>mfw gen x also bought into the top of the housing market

>>3018925
i think you guys in england are bros and all, but i thank my lucky stars i'm not over there right now, seems like a real shit show

but thank god neither of us is in europe, right?

Apparently one of the prostitutes picked up by the Secret Service is now going on TV and calling them idiots. Now I'm not denying that the agents were idiots for doing this, but when your shitty life choices force you to take a job that involves a procession of random men ejaculating in your asshole for 20 pesos, are you really in a position to call someone else an idiot because they don't give a fuck about their non-getting-fucked-in-the-ass job?

>>3018989

Derp.

>>3018895
>People living to please their parents
There's the problem. I went to the state university closest to me. It's also one of the top 50 schools in the country (Public or private). If someone is living the way that lets their parents brag the most, you can't blame the parent.
>>3018906
Okay, maybe I got lucky in finding my job. I applied just as someone was getting ready to leave. My resume before then had absolutely no work experience on it, and yet when I took my current job, I turned down 3 other part time jobs
>>3018922
But they didn't work harder. I knew what I needed to do and I did it. But I'm not blaming the boomers for anyone else not being able to get scholarships, I'm blaming them for choosing not to try and earn them. I'd prefer if everyone worked harder. I'd get less scholarships, but there'd be a lot less complaining

>>3018677
I could nuremburg-rally this

about that whole "student debt" thing.

are there no scholarships where these people are?
if anyone here gets a good enough grade (2Bs and 5Cs or better for the courses in demand) you don't have to pay fees to go the collage at all. though you do have to pay to repeat or to carry on in the year if you fail any exams at the end of the year
it's UCC by the way.

I also lucked out, kinda. I wasn't good enough at math to get into college or University but instead got to go to trade school and become a welder. I still only make minimum wage with my $4k ticket though.

open up a completely free market, the employers who don't hire the best will be weined out and the lazy older Union workers who waste job spaces will be fucked. Generation Y will be able to smarten up and succeed or fail as individuals, instead of fail as a collective, in time.

>>3018954

Well each nation has its own problems. But unfortunately the older generations and the USA share the blame for most if not all of them.

Here we have massive US cultural pollution that has caused a lot of damage. Our modern inner city gangs unfortunately are influenced by American gang culture. Then there is the greed focused ethics of the Americans which have become far too accepted.

>>3018925
Most of the population could be middle class, just not everyone can't be boss. Partially though, the problem is today manual labour is undervalued considering only about 20% of the population is physically fit for it.

>>3018999

I worked my ass off to find a job. The moment I got one EVERYONE wanted to hire me. The job market explodes when you are employed because there is a sea of unemployed losers that are just too risky to hire. Businesses hire and promote from within and from other businesses.

It's a really fucked up system. It's like the massive lay offs made them realize they don't need the majority of people anymore.

Not big on the whole OWS thing but "banks got bailed out, we got sold out," seems pretty apt.

Trillions in loans, almost a trillion in shit mortgage buy outs, 13 trillion in a credit line, no questions asked for the banks. No real jobs program yet 4 years on an youth unemployment at 16% and youth joblessness at 24%. WTF?

>>3018999
Boomers are supposed to guide their young into adulthood, considering most college decisions are made even before the person is 18.

Be 24, 3 years out of undergrad. Get laid off 4 times in 3 years.'

Fuckin sucks

>>3018515
>>12+ years of ineffective authoritarian schooling with constant barrages of promises and expectations and high hoops for them when they get out of school

So the root of the problem was when feminists took all the useful stuff out of schools because it gave girls bad results?

>>3019047
It wasn't like that. In the span of two days, I applied to 6 places. 4 days later, I got a call from my current place of work. I accepted the job. Over the next couple of days, 3 of the other places called me in for an interview, when I told them I just accepted another job. Before applying to the 6 total places, I had no work experience on my resume. This isn't a case of "Get hired, and everyone wants you," it's "Most people wanted you even without prior experience."

>>3019027
there's nothing wrong with greed when you're playing the capitalism game, but i'll give you the gang culture point

shit's gotta go

hopefully now that "hipsterdom" has overtaken wigger hip-hop culture in popularity, we'll see it finally die

>>3019007

Unlikely. /pol/ is far too lolbertarian.
We have to accept the social contract. Our goal in life is to leave society better for our having lived. When we pass on society to the next generation they must be in a better position than we were. We must have conquered some new horizon for them to build on. Or built the groundwork for them to conquer a new horizon.

But just as importantly. We need to know when it's time to pass the world on. Clinging onto power for too long just wrecks shit like we're seeing now in law and government thanks to them not knowing shit about modern tech or the world. We need to know when to say "Right kid. Spent the last ten or so years showing you the ropes. Now its your turn. I'll hang around on the side to help you out"

>>3018906
While this isn't something that's a result of hard work, it still should be said that if your family saved money for you (i.e. bought savings bonds when you were born, etc.) you should have at least one year worth of state school tuition available. And don't underestimate the effect of scholarships. Between the two of them a good student should be able to get at a minimum 2 years worth of tuition to a state university. I realize state universities aren't as respected as a private school but the education is nearly the same and for a major that is still in demand (STEM fields) it's enough to get your foot in the door for a job.

School tuition is absolutely absurd, for reasons that have been stated on this board enough times for me not to bother repeating, but it still boggles my mind that kids graduate with as much debt as they do. I mean, for most people a small loan is nearly mandatory, but kids taking a loan for the entire $200k private university tuition makes no sense at all.

Any Gen Y with a strong back, good work ethic, and some willingness to tolerate cold winters should seriously consider coming up to Canada to work in the oil patch. Plenty of work, good pay, decent people. I've got friends who already have their own houses and a truck, and they're just apprentices. Only reason i'm not in the thick of it is because I'm going to uni for engineering, but I've already been picked up by a firm with a job guaranteed the moment I step foot in the door with a diploma.

I honestly feel pity for you Ameribros and Eurobros, you've really been fucked over, your retiree age generation isn't retiring because they haven't saved up enough yet, Gen X is being forced to stay in mid to entry level employment because they can't yet take over cause the Boomers don't yet wanna let go, and Y is the largest generation since the Boomers, but came of age during a recession where entry level jobs are scarce and so much of your country has gotten rid of your industry which was alwayls a good source of money for young people. Not to mention entire countries realizing that they've spent the next generation's money and lent each other IOU's that they can't possibly ever pay back.

Seriously, it's like witnessing a disaster on TV. You're safe and comfy, but god help those poor souls caught in that mess.

>>3018515
>MFW Im a gen x'er and we really fucked shit up for gen y faggots

>>3019113

I think when people came to the horrible conclusion that elementary and high school are meant to get people into university is when schools turned into shit.

>>3019092
I've been graduated for 2 years. I was employed for a total of 6.5 hours during that time. 3.5 hours were during the opening day of a Chinese restaurant- Owner promised to call me back, I kept bugging her, but she never called me and eventually fled to China. 3 hours were working as a sign waver for Liberty Tax. I got paid for 4 hours though. Apparently, I wasn't "excited" enough for the job.

>>3019124

No. Greed is not a good thing.
There is a reason it was called one of the seven deadly sins. Yes it is an essential part of humanity but you can not surrender yourself to it like the Americans advocate.

To them greed is a virtue. What audacity, what hubris to elevate greed to a virtue. It's sickening.

I'm so fucking sick of arm chair critics and politicians alike doing nothing but argue over ideology and "COMMUNISM VS LIBERTARIANISM ONLY, THE FATE OF THE WORLD!!!"

From where I'm standing all of the seem to be failing, in part because people want to trumpet their pet thought project and not get down on pragmatism.

Ten year 1-notes are at what, 1.3% and our target inflation is 2%? Let's get a fucking works project, seriously.

>>3019065
No one in my family guided me. I made my own decision. Granted, for some kids, they could have more dick-headed parents, but it's not hard to say "Nah, I want to go here"

>>3019136
Sorry, I didn't mean to reply to a post, it was just something general pertaining to the thread.

>>3019146
I'm a welder who lives in Canada and I tried but there are a bunch of hoops to jump through. (because I'm not from Alberta)

>"follow your heart and dreams"
QFT, I'm easily doing the best financially of my siblings and I'm still going to drop a full rung on the social ladder from the professional career my father had. Yay for downward mobility.

Honestly, though, I can't help but think this is just the tide coming in. Globalization and all, the boomers held it off for their earning years and now they're taking advantage of cheap nursing contracts from the Phillipines. It's not really their fault though, barring massive protectionist policies or (even more) foreign policy boots on necks it was just a matter of time before the white middle class bubble burst, there's always been a whole rest of the world out there jockeying for a bigger piece of the pie. I just hope where I live (Canada) takes its decline gracefully.

>>3019173
Hey now boy, that done sound an awful lot like dat dere Communism to me

>>3019185
Ya I heard about that. Shit's gotta go. They gotta get on with standardizing that stuff to allow freedom of movement.

Did you know you can't even legally carry booze across a provincial border yet? And I live on a border city, I pretty much do that shit every day.

>>3019222

It works. History shows that when you stop fucking around, whip the beast of capitalism and saddle it then you can ride it to a better future.

>>3019185
then go to saskatchewan. Or Newfoundland.

>>3019173
they aren't failing, the middle ground is. Time to make the choice, just as every civilization before us has.

The problem with Gen Y is that they think the Boomers are the rule instead of the exception.

Things have been difficult for most generations. Gen Y just whines a lot more.

>>3019010
Not the case here at all. No matter what your grades, you have to pay for college. Scholarships are ridiculously competitive. Not only do you need go grades, you need a ton of extracurricular activities and volunteer hours just to apply for most of them.

Shit sucks.

>>3019007
you can't do that. the media would turn everyone against you.

what you should do is pass two (maybe more) laws;
1. make it illegal to own more than 12 times the amount of public property (or anything intended for public consumption) which would be allotted to you if the resources(or items) were divided according to population makeup. if anyone does hoard resources they must make ample effort to disperse them.

2. any person receiving unemployment benefit must work (caring for one's own children counts so long as it is done soberly and properly)
to provide jobs simple labor may be set, such as canal building, land clearing for farming, laying cables or pipes and other services. skills related to this industry are taught on the job.

>>3019297
when the boomers and early Xers had it bad they were Rioting, as opposed to whining and getting arrested for speech crimes.

Generation x are a bunch of fat retards who blame many societal ills on generation y. There, I said it.

>>3019339
you mean the ones who still use this board.

>>3019269
Is that not essentially the opposite of the argumentum ad populum?

>>3019339

>Generation y are a bunch of fat retards who blame many societal ills on boomers. There, I said it.

This is exactly why you should be renamed Generation Fail

>>3019369
*argument to moderation
Derrrrp

>>3019309

One the second point I agree.
Work programs would do wonders on this front. Replace the disparate system of benefits here in the UK with a single minimum wage system. You are guaranteed a minimum wage but you are a state employee. You will work in whatever capacity you can. Refuse and you lose that wage.

Even a cripple can make themselves useful in some way.

Another thing that must be set about is the bureaucracy. The boomers created this huge system of certificates and pointless qualifications. This must be burnt to the ground and rebuilt simpler, leaner and useful.

As for the media. They are in the pocket of those who benefit from the status quo. Fuck them. Spread the word the old fashioned way with a bit of new world help. Hold rallies in every town up and down the country. Political speeches, get the men out into the community. There is a reason the communists always presented a strong opposition everywhere they were found. They exploited the old way of spreading.

>>3019305
fuck. no though on going to another country to study?
the one I mentioned has a system where they allow a certain number of foreign students in every year.
though if I could I'd just try to find some way to get said qualification from a reputable place online as all the same lectures are available on the internet.

>>3019372

gen y inherited fat retard habits from gen x that made them fat retards.

You pretty much nailed it OP.

Honestly my life currently depends on my father getting a lucrative job, then him investing that money etc..., and then me getting a slice of the pie (thru work of course!) and using that money for my own projects.

Fingers crossed.

>>3019386
>Spread the word the old fashioned way with a bit of new world help.
This so much. There's literally no need for paid news sources anymore. Social networking could completely replace today's media if people would just use it for that purpose.

>>3019478

I would say no. There is always going to be a place for media. Not like in the USA which is a group of conflicted biased interests.
But there will always be a place for an organisation like the BBC which is publicly financed and controlled with a strong commitment to providing an unbiased news source.

Remember social media as a news source makes it very easy for lies and fake info to get around.

>education
>debt

Why do American youths continue to put up with having to pay huge sums of money for higher education?
I'm currently paying ~600€ per semester and even that's considered a lot (only two states here still even have tuition costs). You can't tell me that a Bachelor or Masters degree is so enormously more valuable in the US that you actually have to spend tens of thousands of dollars on something that might(!) give you a chance to land a job.

Why aren't people up in arms about this?

>>3019519

It's the whole "deal with it work hard" mentality.

>>3019505
Ok, good points. I might have used a bit too much hyperbole in my post.

>>3019519
The cost is that high because universities figured out that some retards would pay that much, and that the rest of the retards would get the federal government to help them pay that much.

>>3019519
There's "working hard towards something" and there's "working hard towards something only for someone to move your goal another 100 feet away every time you get close, then come back and expect you to pay them for the effort" ...

>>3019580

Is no foul. You admit the mistake. Is more than a boomer would do.
But yeah there'll always be a load of news outlets around because freedom of speech. And the majority of them will be biased. I mean come come on, would you take the Morning Star as an unbiased news source?

For those of you who don't live in the UK. The Morning Star is the local branch of the communist party's newsletter. Well one of them.

>>3019584
But that's just substituting personal debt with collective debt (tax money). Who profits from all this?

>>3019637

The people providing the watered-down uselessducation

>>3019519

unlimited and easy to access student loans given by the US Gov't is what makes US education expensive.

>>3019637

Not everyone should go to university.
Not everyone needs to go.

But the boomers insisted on it. Because they profit from it. Plus it gave them more time before Gen Y became active

>>3019519
Education bubble? Lawd knows the Americans can't keep their manias in check.

Seriously though, most post secondary is shit and everyone knows it. I'd love it to be good, but it's not. Its just that gen Y knows that now they're competing with China and India and if they don't want to live like a migrant worker they need to be as competitive as possible, even if that means jumping through ridiculous hoops, wasting years of their lives and... living like a migrant worker but hey it's good debt rite?

a lot of the older workers who are in Unions get away with doing as little as possible because regulations protect them. They make over $25/hour. I bust my ass every day and I can't find a job that pays more than minimum wage. I'm a Certified Tradesman and I make minimum wage...

pic related, I am very buthurt about this...

>>3019660
But shouldn't this be completely obvious to everyone then? I mean, in Germany we had nation-wide protests when they tried to raise costs in some states (okay, bad example since most people only came because it was 'babby's first demonstration').
Shouldn't the debt-slavery system be regarded as the biggest rip-off in history?

>>3019386
I don't think the wage system would be received well.
if you treated the work like a learning exercise more might do it. like the FÁS system in Ireland.

but even so, in the modern day it's hard change anything because it's quite simple to write off anything done to protesters as just "maintaining order". spreading the goals of a politician peer to peer and have them fix stuff.
>>3019505
the BBC has little bias because of broadcasting laws. though they stick within what people will put up with. for example, there is no way they would allow a balanced view of some other side in some cases.
>>3019635
freedom of speech can't be applied to print of TV media.
there are laws stating anything damaging public safety or opinion is illegal. and hence you can sue if they put anything at all which may cause negative effects.

>>3019146
>Seriously, it's like witnessing a disaster on TV. You're safe and comfy, but god help those poor souls caught in that mess.

Remember watching the Indian or Jap Tsunamis on television? Remember all those idiots staring out at the ocean before it hit? Remember wondering how they don't know whats coming and that they need to move, to run? Wondering why they just stand there till the last min and then die in droves? Or even surviving the first wave hit... coming down/out before the water is even out.... and another one come in and they do the same exact thing again.... except this time it is even bigger?

Not, replace water with economy. Replace all those people with those arguing the same tired ignorant propaganda back and forth with each other as the wave gets closer. And if you think you're 'safe' keep in mind, if you are posting here, your house is made of cheap wood and paper products held together with small nails and glue, even weaker than the jap houses.

Then keep in mind, there are no places high enough to escape what is coming unless everyone moves together to fix it now, to join hands and climb a fucking cliff since nobody can get up there alone. And keep in mind, our first wave was back at the end of 06 to early 08, and the next one is vastly bigger.

You might watch this one on tv too, but it will hit your house, it will break open your windows and doors. You do not have a roof high enough, or even a tree capable of withstanding this one.

Keep that tsunami in mind when this next one breaks kids. The visual might make you understand exactly what happened, assuming you get to survive it.

>>3019010
Sorry I don't live in fucking magic land.
And as far as the 'normal' scholarships go, I'm white and didn't play sports. So, no.

>>3019717

And now you start to see.

The boomers are using this to finance their lifestyle. They were handed a rebuilt world. Instead of building on that they spent their days wallowing in decadence and dissolution. Now their time is up but they don't want the good times to end. But there is no money to keep it going. They've spent everything the past generations left for them. So they're bleeding the young dry to keep them comfortable.

The best way to think of humanity is as a ladder. Each generation is a part of this ladder. We each stand on the shoulders of the previous generation to reach a new height. They can't join us there. We're going where they can not same as our children will go where we can't.
The boomers weren't satisfied with this. So they tried climbing up the ladder over Gen X and Gen Y. The result? Two generations crippled and the world on the brink of a war that could end us all.

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>>3019149
You could have changed it, or at least set us up to finish it, but instead you sucked Boomerdick.

>>3019717
It absolutely should be, but believe it or not most people don't know about it. They treat it as one of those things that "just is that way" and nobody tries to change anything.

It's worse than you probably think. This infographic gets posted here all the time but here's a link to the original document (with sources):
http://www.collegescholarships.org/research/student-loans/

On one hand, I'd love to start a movement where students just take a year off and not pay tuition. But I know that nobody would buy into that because it would be too risky to their education that they've been working so hard for. It's a damn shame.

>>3019742

So? The point is not to punish people for being jobless. It is to keep them moving, stop them becoming houseplants and also to provide training. They can learn skills on the job.
And the public can benefit massively from this influx of municipal works.

The Nazis had the right idea on this. You don't promote class warfare. You encourage everyone to do their bit. Don't go "tax the rich to save us!" you go "People of Germany, save yourselves!"
Encourage people to put their effort and money into society.

>>3019780
you should. it's great. (we have leprechauns)
low taxes, good benefits, fantastic pension scheme, limited costs in hospitals (charge capped at €360) and decent sane policing

>>3019519
Because what is one person going to do about it?
If I say, 'Hey, fuck you, I'm not paying' some other faggot'll come along, take my place, pay his money, and get my job.
It's hard to think any other way when it's how you're going to make money.

>>3019717
It is, but here in the States its the way it is. Because ~150 years ago we fought a civil war because we thought the only options were wage slavery or chain slavery and we've rationalized and jutified that decision ever sense. But the fact of the matter is, it is the way it is. Maybe we can change it maybe we can't, what does it matter, if we can't get a family, pay the bills and have some dignity.

>>3019836
I don't want them to be punished.
I just think it would work out much better if you tried to train the population as well as having them find work.

though a system of "find something to do" while you are on benefits could work brilliantly, as it would keep people motivated and have them fancy stuff up. it already is recommended and is used for some criminals (community service)

>>3019929

That is effectively what I am proposing. Just worded in a much softer and kinder way.

You work for your benefits. Some days? You're digging a ditch for some new infrastructure project. Other days you're on a construction site. Some days you're learning a new skill.

You keep working until a long term/permanent job placement is found. Whether by the state or by you is irrelevant.
The point is to prevent the problem we have in the UK of people living on benefits and just sitting around, then getting used to it and seeing no reason to change.

>>3019929
>though a system of "find something to do" while you are on benefits could work brilliantly
Unfortunately we live in a society where that's "not fair". Kids who got their B.A. in Art History want a job doing art history. Nobody wants to do work that is "beneath" them.

Our generation has to CREATE our own jobs, and SUPPORT our own businesses. Our generation is WAY too reliant on this "get a job" attitude. Go to college, and a job will just be waiting for you when you get out. Some of us actually DO have to make jobs in order for this to work.

>>3019987

And this is where the "don't do the work, don't get your benefits" part of it comes in.

>>3019987
From who I've talked to/read, this school of thought is fading out. I know I don't give a shit about 'working beneath me'.

But, so long as we're playing the blame game, who can we thank for instilling that notion in ourselves and the culture at large? Right, the fucking Boomers.

OP blames his parents for a situation created by the banking aristocracy. Good goy.

>>3019992
with what capital genius?

Doesn't understand we are at the forefront of the end of capitalism.

Gen Y needs to realize that they should just CREATE their own jerb.


INNOVATION IS KEY

>>3020018
I haven't read anything recent about it to see if it actually is fading out, but I know last year sometime they were discussing a welfare-to-work program in the UK that a lot of recent grads were protesting. I really hope that mindset is changing, but at one point people definitely believed that.

>>3020003
Thing is, they did do the work. They merely chose to study a field that is not considered valuable to society, and Gen Y has trained poor, impressionable kids to think that effort always correlates to success, and that you can just go to college and pop out with a job.

>Or you are born rich and your family has 10000 contacts and you don't worry about shit.

Feels good, man.

>>3020035

I agree fully.

>>3020049
Mike Rowe Asks Congress To Support More "Dirty Jobs
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NwEFVUb-u0

>>3020050

So? I'm Gen Y myself. I know all about that shit.
What I am pointing out is that we need to accept that we were lied to and dealt a shitty hand courtesy of the older generations.

Now we have to put our backs into retaking and rebuilding the world they fucked up.

>>3019968
now I see your point. fine logic.

though I think government aid should still be given to those working unsustainable jobs such as dairy farming.
>>3020032
you could either seize unused land and create a farm using tools provided by the workers themselves.
many legal systems have laws supporting this (at least in the EU. I haven't studied US law much)

or you could destroy rich people's houses and the people employed fixing it would ber a job you created

>>3020056
I am envious, but I don't blame you for being born into the position you were born into.

If you try to screw any of the rest of us over in the future, though, we'll kill you.

>>3020035

>Need money to create jobs
>Banks won't lend out loans to create business
>Most Gen Y is already in debt
>Does not have any landed property to mortgage against.

Sounds easy faggot.

You know what I think is going on? We need money from our parents and grandparents in order to actually succeed in the market now. The american dream of going out into the world and being your own man on your own merit is dying.

You need connections, you need money. Welcome to pre-revolutionary France.

>>3020049
>>3020049

Unfortunately much like the modern apprenticeships this whole thing was a huge scam.

>>3020035
i would happily.

to bad there is 1 million different statutes, an utter mind fuck of a tax code and fees to be taken care of before you can legally start a profitable business.

whereas before you could buy a car, slap a taxi sticker on it and you were in business.

>>3020102
>Welcome to pre-revolutionary France.

So I'm not the only person who thinks this? Interesting.
When do we get to break out our Beloved Lady? La Guillotine would love another opportunity to dance with the enemies of the people.

>>3020093

On the point of unsustainable work I am divided. You have to leverage the public good against efficient allocation of resources.
It would be a case by case thing. Probably with experimental periods of five or more years with each option being put into practice.

>>3020078
I agree wholeheartedly: being fucked over means that it's your duty to flip the table and start building again, and with that comes some great benefits. The problem is that the nation is run by old fucks that would rather steer the country too deep into the hole, as long as they remain in power.

>>3020102

It's not easy faggot.

But, your not entitled to shit either, except the horrible advice your parents gave you.

Be your own man.

>>3020032
Not ALL of us Gen Y'ers can create our own jobs, but SOME of us definitely can and need to in order for this to work.

There has to be a balance in employer to employee ratio in order for our economy to work. The problem is, that for every 5000 graduates who have this "get a job" attitude, there are probably only a handful who are willing to create jobs.

I think well connected and wealthier college graduates need to use their wealth to create jobs for their fellow graduates. It really is the only right thing to do.

>>3020133
>La Guillotine would love another opportunity to dance with the enemies of the people.
Dude, it's 2012, not the Victorian era. We need to decide on much more awesome methods of killing assholes.

>>3020174
I'm of the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality, but if you can convince me otherwise you'll hear no complaints.

>>3020149

This is why youth movements are needed. We must cast aside ideology. We must throw the old banners into the bin of history and say to ourselves "Never again."

The communist must take up arms with the nationalist socialist. The American democrat must shake hands with the British liberal democrat.
We must all unite as one and demand a future. We must all stand together and demand that results are what we want. That ideology must no longer dominate the halls of power and instead demand only facts.

It is time for the renaissance of politics.

>>3020103
That's a shame. I'm not from the UK so it wouldn't have affected me anyway but it would have been great if it had passed.

>>3020035
You don't consciously decide to be like Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerburg, etc. Dropping out of college and creating a successful business requires a certain amount of serendipity.

>>3020152
in his defense, growing out of a mentality that you were taught throughout the most impressionable years of your life can be extremely difficult; it's basic developmental psychology at work

>>3020152


Btw when i create a start up. Who do you think i will employ

Baby boomers?

Gen X's?

Gen Z's?

LOL, I'm going to employ you babe.


So just chill, we got this.

>>3020192

As I recall it did pass. Not too recently the company handling it all was discovered to be engaging in massive corrupt practices and got shut down.

>>3020133

yeah, but the problem we have to avoid is the movement being appropriated by the older generation and the wealthy class. I wonder what our Bastille is going to be? A firebombing of a bank is most likely.

>>3020174
Making them eat money/stock options until they died?

>>3020073

Thank you so much for posting this. That was a good video.

Hi, /pol/, 18yo GenYfag here. What the hell do I do to actually succeed in the current economic conditions? I'm intelligent enough, smarter than 99.9% of the slack-jawed idiots at my high school, but my GPA is only 3.5. I'm graduating in 18 days and I plan on going to the main in-state university (Penn State). What majors are still competitive? I know if I don't bust my ass and get a good job out of college I'll end up paying for it, but I have no fucking clue what to do.
/requestforadvice

>>3020190
To use a previous poster's analogy: flipping the table is hard when they have it nailed down to the floor.

>>3020192

All it takes is a good idea, and a gamble.

But it's hard enough with these mega coporations bossing the little guys around, then the government slapping senseless taxes on the smaller businesses. Why do you think everyone is out sourcing over seas and moving to Canada.

>>3020246

My advice? Learn a trade. Plumber, electrician, etc. Something like that.

>>3020190
We tried that. And this is what we got.
It's horrifying, but the elites did plan this ahead: I'm worried that Americans are too dumb, uninformed, and above all--distracted. Just like Huxley said we would be.
Horseshit like the No Child Left Behind Act, unbelievably vapid television programming that directly rewards the most loathed individuals of society for existing, privately controlled media that regularly doctors current events to let people know what they want them to know, rapid evolutions in entertainment that bombard people with an endless stream of information that forces them to adapt and destroy their own attention spans.

the blame goes all around, but the lion's share goes to the intentionally dumbed down public school system. it's cheaper to have a society of entitlement brats than to provide careers for them. the future belongs to the east, for now.

>>3020246
Go to community first. I really wish I had.
The way my loans are, I have to start paying as soon as I'm not a full time student, which means I'm pretty much trapped there.
If I wanted to take a year off and go to CCC to take my gen eds, I can't.

>>3020246
Engineering. Geology. Business.

Then get your ass up to Canada or down to Australia. Unless you feel you can make a go of it on your own and start your own shit out of your mom's garage.

It's good to see /pol/ talk about level headed and logical problems with a logical mindset for once.

>>3020257

And that is where fire comes into it.

But I see your point. It won't be easy. We won't all survive.
It's no secret that the boomers want us dead. Why? Because we are their greatest fear. An entire generation they can't control.
Oh they try and it is an impressive effort. But there is no room for us in the system they created. They leech off us every day while hoping we don't sit up and pay attention.

Look at the crap they spew at us. The "culture" they push. They prey on our divisions and try to make us think like they do.
We are human.
What does that mean? It means we are part of an unbroken chain stretching back further than we will ever really know. Millions if not billions have lived and died to put you where you are now. They put everything they had into creating a future. The boomers in their greed shat all over that.

So listen anon. Listen to screams of rage you hear in the background. Those are every human who has worked so hard to make a better world, all of them having the proof of their existence torn apart for the sake of greed leaving just you.
You are the last sign these people ever existed and if the boomers had their way even that would be gone. They don't care about the future, they never have.

So we must care.

Ok, this shit pisses me off. OP is a fag.

>Born and raised in good economic conditions
Great.
>12+ years of ineffective authoritarian schooling with constant barrages of promises and expectations and high hoops for them when they get out of school
Hurr Durr I don't need to pay attention or do my work. DOWN WITH THE MAN!
>Graduate high school, economy goes into the shitter
True.
>Youth unemployment a huge problem, cant find work and even if work is found, it is shit, they are viewed as expendable and no room for promotion.
Oh no, I have to do ACTUAL work. Woe is me.
>Since they've been in an ineffective school for 12+ years with no marketable skills, there is a large chance they are a skillless loser with no work experience that is of use to no one.
Schools aren't ineffective just because YOU didn't do the work or pay attention doesn't mean the 'system' sucks.
>Two paths for the average Gen Y'er, go to school or keep looking for a job (aka stay unemployed).
Woe is me the only jobs out there are labor, trade jobs, retail sales jobs those aren't good enough for me, I graduated from the authoritarian high school!

>If you go to school, you just started off your adult life with DEBT.
Because no other generation ever had any debt ever before you. Also maybe if you actually cared about school you could get a scholarship or grant.
>Going to school is a hit or miss and it largely depends on the people they are around, and the world knowledge they have (good luck with that with the 12 years of mind numbing shit you grew up with). At best they are around people who know how wealth is created and will tell you to figure out where they want to work and if it is feasible to find an actual job in that field. At worst people tell them to "follow your heart and dreams"
No it isn't hit or miss. You either get a degree in a solid subject with good career choices or you get a shitty degree because you are immature and entitled.
>So they either graduate school with a decent job or unemployed.
WHOA WHOA WHOA. HOLD THE PHONE! PEOPLE THAT DO WELL IN SCHOOL AND WORK HARDER GET THE BETTER OUTCOME! NO FUCKING WAY BRO! THAT'S LIKE... TOTALLY UNFAIR!
>Or you are born rich and your family has 10000 contacts and you don't worry about shit.
Or you learn to meet people that matter instead of hippies.

Occupy a job you stupid fuck.

>>3020267

That isn't the political renaissance. That is just the same old banners being woven around to the same old cries.

>>3020369
>>3020362

>I'm a boomer I is!

>>3020278
I think I could make it in business. I'm an all-out history guy, mainly. I never got a good grasp of science and math classes, which was my biggest blunder. My high school had a lot of electives in the Social Studies department, and I took mainly economics, sociology, and other history classes, and just scraped by on STEM stuff. My plan was to double major in Political Science and International Business - is this a viable option?

>>3020362
>Hurr Durr I don't need to pay attention or do my work. DOWN WITH THE MAN!
Paying attention to useless drivel will help.... how?
Public schools are so incredibly dumbed down that nobody actually reaps any valuable knowledge from them.
>Oh no, I have to do ACTUAL work. Woe is me.
We're talking about jobs at fucking McDonald's. College degrees are commonplace that they no longer carry the weight they do in years past, and a fresh high school graduate isn't going to do well compared to the guy with a bachelor's.

>>3020412

Not really. That's a contacts based world. Unless you come from the right family you won't make it.

>>3020400

No, I'm 22 fucking years old. I work 45 hours a week at a $9 an hour labor job in a warehouse to pay for school and my single bedroom. I also have to pay for my own internet, phone, gas, and food. But you know what? I know that I'm within my means as I stand right now. So no. Fuck you and get a job you cunt. Some of us actually understand the concept of hard work.

>>3020427

>Pull up your bootstraps you whippersnapper

>>3020422

You're right. You are just too good for McDonald's. Better to have no money than some money. Duh. How silly of me. Fuck you.

It's always been about ideology, we have to realize that. We need something new, fuck capitalism, fuck socialism. Both have proven to be failures. At this point it's not about class warfare, it's generational warfare. Our livelihood depends on it. We must uproot the Baby Boomers from their privileged position before we can create a better life for ourselves and our children.

>>3020246
Computer engineering or better Electrical Engineering. They are jobs that aren't going away until computers go away and unlike a Computer Science or Information Technologies degree they won't be outsourced to someone else on the other side of the planet with an internet connection and barely enough knowledge to do the job.

>>3020427
I'm 25 and work at a major software company. Do I go around telling people how much better I am than them because some jerkoff pays me to write code? No.
Suck up your precious fucking pride and accept the fact that you have it better off than others.

>>3020439
No one in this thread said that they were too good for McDonalds.
McDonalds doesn't want us.

>>3020462

Yeah if they offered I'd take it. Not like I eat there anyways.

>>3020439
>You're right. You are just too good for McDonald's.
You are missing the point.
Decades ago, McDonald's and similar establishments were where you went to get a job if you were at the bottom of the economic ladder and were not far beyond the years of high school, and now, there are people working minimum wage jobs to pay off $60000 of debt, because without that college degree, they would be unemployed like so many others.
Tell me with a straight face that this is not a horrible thing.

I can't believe no one in this thread has said nigger yet

>>3020455
>$9 an hour doing hard physical labor.
>better off.

Nigga, you just went full retard. I don't even know when the last time I had a beer was because I don't want to risk not being able to pay another bill. I'm 100% at means right now with a little money saved up for if something happens to my car.

>>3020412
Don't waste your time with Poli Sci.

>>3020362
>Woe is me the only jobs out there are labor, trade jobs, retail sales jobs those aren't good enough for me
>labor
Done by Mexicans, not available to me
>trade jobs
Requires more school and more money, and I'm already in debt because everyone (my family and teachers) told me that college was a better idea than going to a trade school
>retail sales jobs
I worked those jobs for 6 years before and during college. Have you ever worked at one of these jobs?
Anyway, those places won't hire me because I have a degree and am considered a flight risk

Let me guess, you worked hard and had zero help and are in a good job with no luck required

>>3020381
Has it ever been on this scale, though?
To me, it's a depressing reflection of how badly the previous generation fucked our skulls in.

>>3020425
So am I looking at forcing myself to take a STEM major outside my area of expertise? I'm willing to do this, of course, it's not an insurmountable task. Are there any viable majors within the area of a history/politics expert, where I have some natural talent, or do I kick ass for four years and major in geology?

>>3020488

Because, when its about babby boomers.

Logic kicks in.

>>3020488
And you ruined it!

>>3019146
>
I honestly feel pity for you Ameribros and Eurobros, you've really been fucked over, your retiree age generation isn't retiring because they haven't saved up enough yet, Gen X is being forced to stay in mid to entry level employment because they can't yet take over cause the Boomers don't yet wanna let go, and Y is the largest generation since the Boomers, but came of age during a recession where entry level jobs are scarce and so much of your country has gotten rid of your industry which was alwayls a good source of money for young people. Not to mention entire countries realizing that they've spent the next generation's money and lent each other IOU's that they can't possibly ever pay back.

>mfw I realize that this is exactly where the Soviets were in the 1970s-1980s

>>3020504

I'm
>>3020427

>>3020427
>I work 45 hours a week
So, you take three classes a semester and plan to graduate in 6 years?

>>3020496
And guess what? You're eating. You're sleeping in a warm bed. You're driving. You're dicking around on the Internet. And there are families out there struggling just to get by, with an occasional death in a hospital from failure to pay for medical bills.

>>3020518
>Logic kicks in.

More like unbridled hatred which overcomes the more ignorant parts of the brain so as to focus on the true problems of this world.

When given a choice, watch some old fuck die of starvation or watch a child die of starvation. Old fucking boomer can jump off the cliff every time.

EVERY FUCKING TIME.
If any of you (on 4chan? wtf) are a boomer, you need to die. Simple as that. We cannot afford to carry you anymore.

It is either live in the future or the past. And frankly the past is gone, so bury it.

Has anyone ever actually gotten an interview or call by putting in an online application. Does it even work, or are they just shitting on me?

>>3020496
Congratulations. You are in fact better off. Problem is you don't even realize it and you think that others that aren't doing as well as you are are too lazy to get what you have. Here why don't you trade with me.

>>3020427
Oh no, you have to pay bills! You have it so rough!

I make $7.25 per hour. I also have to pay bills.

>>3020511

What do you expect of profligates?

>>3020518

It is because this matters. We all know it. We all feel it deep down. We feel something the boomers do not. That basic human obligation. Our obligations as members of the human race.
We feel them pulling at us every day dragging us deeper into despair as we are unable to fulfill them.
We yearn for a future. To build, to conquer a new horizon. To work as part of a society that is doing something worthwhile.

The boomers don't feel this or if they ever did they have long since smothered those feelings. The world they have created is like a blanket thrown over a fire. It cuts off the air mankind needs to live. But there's also a chance that blanket will set ablaze and revive mankind.

>>3020568
Plenty, but they were responding to online ads for job vancancies rather than just a blind application to a chain.

>>3020512
>>3020512
>>3020512
Any advice?

>>3020568

I actually just got a call from one I put in like a month and a half ago. When I called them after a couple days they said they weren't hiring til may, I was like, welp on to the next one. But I guess I got lucky, interview tomorrow

This thread has been somewhat interesting. I'm generally not one for generational analyses about history society and politics. But I do think that my generation (20 yo fag here) should not be afraid of the fact that if things continue like this truly historic events will happen in our lifetime, and you have to understand that this places a certain obligation on you. Our society is creating a lot of perma-children. I intend this as some sort of aspie rant against pop culture things I don't like or girls who won't pay attention to me. But you know it's true. And these people will have a very hard time doing the important things that it's looking like are going to need to be done.

>pic sort of related

>>3020609

Learn a trade man. Trust me that will do you much better.

>>3020581
God forgive us if the blanket fire sets the whole world ablaze.

>>3020568

One trick is to call later on to ask them if they have received your resume and if they have anything they'd like to ask you about it.

This usually prompts a real person to take your resume out of the pile and actually give it a proper look.

Remember: a lot time they won't even see it to reject it. They get 10,000 people. Scan bunch they find on the top. Hire the ones out of those that are likely to show up to work.

>>3020559
Three years because I've been going to school for awhile now. But yes. I work 45 hours a week then go to school for anywhere between 7-13 depending on which semester were talking. The rest of the time? I'm either doing homework or dicking on the internet because I can't do much else.

>>3020560

Yeah and guess what? None of them are anyone in this thread because you are all entitled shitheads.

>>3020577

Good for you? You make basically minimum wage and I also make just above minimum wage because I've been with my company a couple years and am the hardest worker. We both have jobs and support ourselves.

>>3020572

If I have it better off it's because I put myself into a position to be better off. If someone is dying of hunger because they can't feed themselves they aren't trying hard enough.

Fucking scum.

>>3020619
>>3020619
> I intend this as some sort of aspie rant against pop culture things I don't like or girls who won't pay attention to me.

*Don't intend this

goddamnit

>>3020627

That's a risk. We're at the point where it is do or die for humanity. When the time comes we must be incorruptible and uncompromising. Our fight for the future must be righteous and without even the slightest hint of mercy or doubt.

>>3020560
>And there are families out there struggling just to get by
How can some have a family or attract a woman when they are unemployed/barely able to take care of themselves?
>while you're dicking around on the internet
So, how many hours per week should I work until I am allowed to complain?

Let's break this down:
>someone somewhere has a worse life than you, so you should shut up until you are as miserable as they are
Which would make sense if it were justified. But it's not -- a system of deregulatory economic policies and corporate practicies are designed to make sure that I stay in my shit job forever while they reap the benefits of increasing productivity from innovation.

And just because someone else somewhere is having a worse life does not mean that I should be silent in the face of injustice. It's right before your eyes. I'm sorry you're angry at people for not being as miserable as you are; if we were all quiet, we'd all be as unhappy as you, and even worse than those families or starving Africans

>>3020049


because that is so easy in the era of wal-mart and box stores and amazon.com hurrr duurrr i'll just start my own business. Not like those ever fail these days.

>>3020659
Angry guy here.

I'm not really sure if you are with me or against me.

>>3020369
I'm aware that this is a troll but come on now. The idea that you can just get a job is absurd. There are simply too many people and too few positions. If you get the chance to talk to any old people ask them how long it took them to find a job after they quit one. Now compare that with what we see today. We're seeing a decrease in the number of full time liveable jobs to be replaced with 0 hour contracts where you can be drafted in whenever you're needed and removed when you're not. How are people supposed to have a life on that?

>>3020584
Do you know any good jobs boards? I try to use indeed.com sometimes, but I'm entirely unsuccessful, I'm assuming because I have no experience.

>>3020568
When I was trying to get a part time job, I sent at least 100 online applications, got ONE response for a shitty retail job, and they picked a less qualified but pretty girl.

That's how it works.

>>3020648
>Three years because I've been going to school for awhile now. But yes. I work 45 hours a week then go to school for anywhere between 7-13
Let's go back to 2004. Your parents went to college for four years, working a part-time job and taking care of the rest of their expenses with loans or help from their parents. A time when any college degree was expected to have such a good return in terms of a salary increase that taking out a loan and not working, so as to study well and get out in a reasonable amount of time, was considered a rational idea.

Why would you sneer at people who followed what was thought to be prudent and good advice at the time (from their parents! What good child doesn't listen to their parents?) and are now a victim of unexpected systemic changes which are beyond their control?

That's like laughing at people whose homes were destroyed by a tornado for having purchased houses.