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I support Herman Cain's plan to harass 999 women.

Regressive tax, new types of federal taxes for it to abuse, etc.

I feel like the 9 9 9 plan is a form of regressive taxation:

>Compared with current tax rates, 84 percent of taxpayers would pay more under 9-9-9 if it were fully implemented in 2013. Just 14 percent — the wealthiest — would see their tax bills drop.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cains-9-9-9-plan-doesnt-add-up/2011/10/18/gIQArk0gvL_story.ht
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I like what I'm reading!!

Googled what the 999 plan was, this is what i got on the first link. I lol'd

I can't even hear the words "nine nine nine" spoken in succession anymore without thinking about this scumbag.

>>301453

Batshit insane. It raises taxes on the people with the least ability to pay and lowers it on the ones with the most. The ultimate effect would be a sharp drop in public consumption and spending that would, immediately, kill any prospect of recovery from the current recession for a generation or more. The long run effect would be to make the US poorer than Mexico.

>>301477
But that's good.

A full half of Americans pay no federal taxes whatsoever. I don't care who you are, but if you live in this country, you need to be responsible for some of its expenses.

A country where half the country pays nothing and gets all the government benefits, while the other half pays everything and gets nothing, cannot be sustained.

It's an awful plan, but as a candidate, at least he is presenting a plan. Perry can't even remember what he would cut.

I'm inclined to question the wisdom of creating a federal sales tax without eliminating the income tax.

It seems like it would just create a whole other layer of red tape. I mean, having to report each and every sale in the country would require a massive bureaucracy to enforce.

>>301511
this nigga

Nein! Nein! Nein!

Call it whatever the numbers will change.The heart of the 9-9-9 is what matters a Balanced Budget Admendment.When congress is kept from over psending we will get a true set of numbers.Stop liberals the country will right itself

>I support Herman Cain's plan to harass 999 women.
I'm pretty sure it's 99.9% of women.

Adding a new kind of federal tax is just asking for an overreach of government power down the road.

It may start out as 9-9-9, but what's keeping that from becoming 20-20-20 in a few years?

>>301523
Slapping new taxes on people who are barely making it as it is, that's a good thing?
Hey poor family struggling to put food on the table, you're now paying 9% more for everything you have to buy. Good luck feeding your kids pet kibble.
Hey lower-middle class family, you're now paying 9% more for everything you have to buy PLUS 9% income tax because all your exemptions have been eliminated by Herman Cain.

>>301561

"Liberals"?

Republican presidents run record debts under every administration since Nixon, and even bigger ones in the years when they have both the White House and Congress. The US has exactly one president since WWII who runs a surplus and he's a Democrat. And somehow this is *Democrats* fault?

GFTO, you lazy worthless, illiterate twit!

>>301561
>what matters a Balanced Budget Admendment.
>Stop liberals the country will right itself

yeah except it was that bad old liberal Clinton who balanced the budget and good ol' conservatives like Reagan and the 2 Bushes who blew up the deficit

It's bullshit, we shouldn't have any income tax or corporate tax at all. We didn't need them until 1913, so let's just get rid of them and slash all the pointless, retarded government spending that they fund.

>>301580 Clinton balanced the budget, Reagan didn't
FUNFACT: ALL spending is at the whim of Congress, and ALL spending bills MUST start in the House of Representatives.
Clinton's Congress was largely Republican, hence the balanced budgets. Reagan's Congress was largely Democratic, hence the deficits.

I AM AMERICA, ONE VOICE UNITED WE STAND!!

>>301605
Actually, Clinton balanced the budget because the Cold War had ended, but the War on Terror hadn't started yet.

Our budget is crippled by wasteful military spending.

>>301605

So, Congressional Republicans are responsible for all the debts of the Bush and Obama administration? (Of course, being the scholar you are of the US Constitution, you will of course be aware that budget proposals must originate in the Executive, since it does 100% of the spending...)

>>301543

This plan is new to me, but I thought he was planning on eliminating the federal income tax. I thought he said something about scrapping all federal taxes altogether and replacing it with the 9 9 9

Awful. It's going to benefit the wealthy more than the working or middle class.

The worst part of the 9 9 9 plan is that it implements a federal tax on goods like food, and clothing on top of a state tax. The only thing that the plan will not go after is second hand goods, but that's only good if you're going to a thrift store. And most American's do not go to thrift stories for their needs.

>>301605
Cool story bro.
So I suppose that means that every time there's been a Republican congress they've passed balanced budgets?
And that also means Reagan and the Bushes didn't ask for spending programs that blew up the budgets?
Poor Mister Reagan, completely at the mercy of the Democratic congress, they were the ones who pioneered massive unpaid tax cuts for the wealthy.

>>301639
Not that Cain will ever get elected and be able to implement his awful, evil 9-9-9, but if he did, the run on untaxed clothes from thrift shops would clean them out in days.

>>301655
How is that?

I'm not sure how I feel about the 9-9-9

America's tax system does need to be simplified. Right now there's too much corruption and loopholes.

The system also raises more revenue compared to our current system.

But at the same time - flat tax is just a nice way of saying regressive taxation.

Also, there's no telling how a sales tax might affect the economy. And a federal sales tax seems to be a huge expansion of federal power. Plus it's almost certain to go up over the years.

>>301673
Thrift stores are already a lot more picked over since the recession.
Now make all new clothes 9% more expensive.
More people go to thrift stores, donations to thrift stores don't increase, thrift stores get cleaned out.

>http://c3244172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/RestoreAmericaPlan.pdf

Admit it /pol/, Ron Paul is the only candidate with a spending plan that makes sense.

i'm defintely for a flat tax but the 999 plan is a little too regressive for me.

I think a much more fair plan is a flat tax of 15%-20% for anyone who makes over 100,000 dollars.

>>301692
>implying the term "regressive taxation," as opposed to "progressive taxation" isn't leftist double-speak
So, taxing the rich is progress, while taxing the poor is backwards policy?

You know that the so-called 1% would still be paying substantially more money than the poor with a flat tax, right?

>>301770

that's a fair point, i didn't think of that.

>>301770
>taxing the poor is backwards policy?
yes.
it's also backwards, amoral, and doomed to failure
"I know, let's take the people who are barely clinging onto a roof over their heads and feeding their family, and push em right over the edge. That'll be great for the country!"

Everything this man says is insane.

I want to know what exactly would be taxed under Cain's federal sales tax.

I would support it if food is excepted from the tax, so that the poor would not be taxed into starvation.

>>301770
>the so-called 1% would still be paying substantially more money than the poor with a flat tax
Source?

>>301523

I used to pay close to 10% of my income in taxes. I make just above minimum wage.

Then I stopped letting the IRS take money out of my paycheck every week. Now I pay around $650 a year in taxes.

And before some snide fucker comes by and says that I used to get most of that 10% back, I did not.

Taxes are not a rich/poor issue. It's a smart/stupid issue.

>>301869

Taxes are not a zero sum game. Jesus Christ, this is why you faggots cannot grasp a flat tax. You are so goddamn stupid.

>National sales tax
>Good idea
Nope. I think we can all agree sales tax is bullshit. It's a tax period, so righties should hate it, and it's a regressive tax so lefties should hate it too.

9-9-9 is Phase 1 for Cain. The Fair Tax Act is Phase 2.

The Fair Tax Act is supported by Nobel winners, prized economists, research institutes, and anyone else with half a brain. Herman Cain should get your vote because he is the only candidate that supports the Fair Tax, which would:

>>Americans For Fair Taxation states the FairTax would boost the United States economy and offers a letter signed by eighty economists, including Nobel Laureate Vernon L. Smith, that have endorsed the plan.[13] The Beacon Hill Institute estimated that within five years real GDP would increase 10.7% over the current system, domestic investment by 86.3%, capital stock by 9.3%, employment by 9.9%, real wages by 10.2%, and consumption by 1.8%.[49] Arduin, Laffer & Moore Econometrics projected the economy as measured by GDP would be 2.4% higher in the first year and 11.3% higher by the 10th year than it would otherwise be.[47] Economists Laurence Kotlikoff and Sabine Jokisch reported the incentive to work and save would increase; by 2030, the economy’s capital stock would increase by 43.7% over the current system, output by 9.4%, and real wages by 11.5%.[11] Economist John Golob estimates a consumption tax, like the FairTax, would bring long-term interest rates down by 25–35%.[60] An analysis in 2008 by the Baker Institute For Public Policy indicated that the plan would generate significant overall macroeconomic improvement in both the short and long-term, but warned of transitional issues.[51]

-Wiki

What liberals don't grasp is the idea that regressive taxation is actually a good thing. Nay, a VERY GOOD thing. It makes people actually WANT to do better for themselves, to be more productive, to make more money.

I know that individual success is loathsome to the Statist, but for people living breathing and dying in the real world, individualism is the best thing.

>>301574

"Economic policies don't raise taxes, politicians raise taxes."

- Herman Cain

Again, 9-9-9 is Phase 1. Fair Tax Act is Phase 2.

>>301902

France switched their tax system to a consumption based tax earlier this century. The result? They started having traffic jams at 8 and 9 PM at night because everyone was working more - it wasn't punished after all.

Why do you think France is doing well compared to the rest of Europe right now?

>>301896
Paul Krugman:
>A flat tax would either (a) be much higher for most people than the tax they currently pay or (b) raise much less revenue than the current system. Given the level of inequality, there’s a lot of money coming from people in the top two brackets.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/ask/2010/02/questions-for-macfarquhar.html

>>301933

Herp Derp.

The Fair Tax Act issues prebates to offset any tax burdens created on necessity items. Anyone below, at, or near the Poverty line pays virtually no taxes at all.

Did I just blow your fucking mind? Poor people don't pay taxes under the Fair Tax Act - even on what they spend.

Next bullshit notion, please.

>>301902
>individual success is loathsome to the statist
>Statists are the ones who want individual power to the states

>>301933
>implying Paul Krugman is an unbiased source of information
How about I start quoting Sean Hannity to support my arguments?

>>301933

the fair tax guy just posted evidence created by vernon smith, the beacon hill institute, john golob, etc. and your response is paul krugman? really, bro?

>>301860
The source is the very nature of percentages.

Paying a 9% tax on a million dollars will be $90,000.
Paying a 9% tax on thirty grand would be $2,700.

The rich man is still paying more money.

>>301972
I'd accept Hannity quotes provided they were backed up with some kind of evidence

>>301453

READ MY LIPS: NO NEW TAXES!

I bet THIS Republican is trustworthy about his tax idea, right? Just like George H.W. Bush.

I'll never understand why people advocate that the rich should pay more. Do the rich utilize government programs more? Roads more? Fuck no. Who do you think is more likely to use welfare or social security - the people who have no money and don't pay taxes OR the people that have money and already pay their taxes?

Everyone has an equal interest and equal share and we should all contribute the same amount. Punishing hard work and value to protect those who haven't achieved, for one reason or another, is fucking retarded

>>301987
The fair tax guy just posted quoted Americans For Fair Taxation™ propaganda.

Still, fuck Krugman, read the Washington Post article earlier ITT. :>301477

>>302026

Would you like a cite for each research institute/economist findings? Oh wait, it's all in the Wikipedia article.

Didn't Pizza Hut come up with the "89, 99, 99" plan first?

Nigger was playin Sim City over a bucket of fried chicken and decided to run for president when they erected a statue of him... "9.9.9 Dat's Incredulous!!!"

>>302025
>I'll never understand why people advocate that the rich should pay more.
They have more money.
They do.
Ask them.
That's why they're referred to as "Rich".

>>302023
the problem is that the conservative economic policy is not defined by its politicians. many so called conservative polticians aren't actually conservatives.

liberals don't have an ideology except govt is good and can help society to varying degrees. this is why liberals don't understand conservatism

>>301958

see

>>301869

A herpa, derpa, derpa. Still spreading that lie-a.

>>302040

Who gives a fuck if they have more money? Unless they utilize the government more than poor people (and they don't), they don't have an obligation to pay more. They shouldn't pay more.

I pay 31% in taxes on my income. It fucking sucks. I don't use Medicaid/care, SS, or any other government programs but by god, I lose hundreds a paycheck to pay for this shit for poor fucks that can't - I didn't fucking bust ass to get my job just so I could lose money on shit I don't use and will never use. For fucks sake, fuck off with that nonsense.

>>302061

Again, taxes are not zero-sum. Please research and then come back. Just, please. You're making yourself looking incredibly ignorant to anyone that has half an idea of what I'm referring to.

>>302025
Government provides the infrastructure for people to become rich.

Infrastructure requires money.

The wealthy have become rich because previous generations of wealthy people paid for the infrastructure required.

If we want future generations to become wealthy we need to update and create infrastructure.

The wealthy have benefited from government more so they owe more.

It`s fairly simple, and I seriously hope that you are wealthy, because if you aren`t you must truly be retarded. There is no other excuse to hold your position.

>>302025
>Do the rich utilize government programs more?

Yes, they do actually.

Especially the police is mainly there to protect the rich.
But the rich also benefit more from roads because almost every luxury item they buy has to be transported over roads to their mansions.

>Who do you think is more likely to use welfare or social security - the people who have no money and don't pay taxes OR the people that have money and already pay their taxes?

Nobody who pays taxes uses welfare.
The two are mutually exclusive.

Why should people working a minimum wage job carry a heavier burden than people who can more easily miss it?

>>302071

Research what? Propaganda?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMMPBLEhVeA

Say amen yall.

>>302025
How is it punishing hard work? A rich person who is taxed more is still making far more money. The fact of the matter is someone who makes $15,000 a year needs every penny far more than someone who makes $15,000,000.

>>302065
I agree social programs like medicare and SS should be abolished.

Instead they should pay working people enough to afford decent healthcare and a pension.

Of course this means companies will have to hugely increase their spending on wages.
Buy business owners can easily afford that out of their own pocket.

>>302106

The person making $15,000 will pay close to $1,500-$1,700 in his total annual salary in taxes.

The person making $15,000,000 will probably pay around $300,000.

I'm just pointing this out.

>>302124
Which is clearly unbalanced. He should pay 3 million.

>>302124
That's still not PUNISHING hard work.

It's just less slightly smaller reward.

>>302140

Actually, it's punishing the guy making $15,000 by taking a greater percentage of his wages in taxes.

>>302148
I would say that is unfair, but I don't see either as "punishment". I don't understand why people throw that word around. It seems like just another buzzword in this context.

>>302124
>>302136
>>302140
>Implying the person making $15,000,000 wouldn't hire accountants and attorneys to hide/shelter most of that income and pay very little in tax.

>>302170

That's what's happening under the current tax situation. Under the 999 system, it would be harder because there would be less loopholes.

wait, why is everyone condescending on the person who makes 15K a year?

Chances are they're doing more laborious work that in the long run does more to help humanity than a businessman who makes calls and works on a computer and makes 15 million.

stop saying "punishing" hard work. Just because someone doesn't make millions of dollars doesn't mean that they're not working hard.

Interesting facts:

The vast majority of people who oppose a more progressive tax system are themselves poor.

This is because most poor people are very worried to be overtaken by the few people still poorer than them.

Most rich people have no problem with contributing more of their wealth to help the poorest people in society.
For proof just look at the huge amounts they spend in charity.

>>302170
>>302163

Poor guy pays more of his earnings in taxes than the rich guy?

I dunno man... Somebody's getting the short end of something here.

>>302170

Correct. And the poor guy could easily just stop letting the IRS remove money from his paycheck, and would pay next to nothing just like the rich guy does.

Taxes aren't the answer. Anybody with half a brain will find a way to pay less in taxes. Government spending needs to be addressed more than taxes.

I think it's just another decoy dangled in front of us to keep us distracted from seeing "the man behind the curtain" so to speak so we don't see what's really going on behind the scenes and catch the real criminals red handed in their treasonous acts that serve no purpose but to consolidate their power and screw the American people even more!

>>302188
True that.

Society should value actual "blue collar" work more, instead of just worshiping the white collars and suits.

I think the mere fact that someones get a bigger paycheck tricks people into believing he must have somehow earned it.

>>302218
inb4 pull the wool out of you eyes, sheeple.

>>302219

So we can have Blue Collar workers behaving like the current 20 something military faggots do, and act like they should be treated like hot shit just because they filled out a job application?

I just think this man is a masterful troll considering he he quoted a pokemon movie in a debate and the first reply said his tax plan is the same as is used in sim city for calculating city income.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/herman-cain-pok-mon