The teabaggers worked with in the system like grown ups and changed the landscape of Washington in 2010
OWS are a bunch of marxists faggots and are throwing a temper tantrum because no one agrees with them and fuck shit up

you can't compare the two

If I was forced to choose, Occupy Wall Street, because despite all of the hippies and the women's studies people it does have at least some form of a point.

They're both obnoxious morons without a clear ideology or understanding of what they hate. Teabaggers did actually change the political landscape, but if was for the worse.

>>2937889

>changed the landscape of Washington

lol. no

They are both horrible.

>>2937917
Ugh, they helped get 80 people elected, Scott Brown being the biggest name

>>2937893
>some form of a point
>form of a point
>point
still waitin, bra

>>2937917
you weren't born before 2010 then right?
fucking idiot

Tea Party has the right message but they are constantly being portrayed poorly by the media. OWS has good intentions, but their ways of dealing with the issue is misguided.

Tea Party is honestly a much better movement. They also tend to not fuck up shit and act like escaped zoo animals.

>>2937929
The main thing that got Scott Brown elected was his opponent being an evil hateful bitch even most liberal Democrats hate.

>>2937917

he's right

they just made it much fucking worse and more partisan than ever

>Which is a better movement?
Tea Party.
>Which is more right?
Tea Party.
>Which would you rather be a part of?
Tea Party.
>And which is least obnoxious?
Tea Party.

They aren't even the same as movements, really. I understand the comparison, but one of them has been writing to congressmen, getting their voices out in lawful, orderly protests (actually leaving areas cleaner than when they came in some cases) and messaging. The other has been destroying private property, costing taxpayers millions of dollars, raping, overdosing, murdering, shitting and pissing in public, and leaving so much waste behind them whole teams have to go out with biohazard protections to clean up after them.

Both may be borne of anger with the status quo, but the tea party is far superior, rational, patriotic, and actually respectable.

>>2937893
what point does OWS have?
rich people are BAD, we need more government to punish rich people and banks!!!

fuck off marxist usefull idiot

>>2937959
Except for the fact that they got duped into voting in a bunch of Koch-worshipping ALEC douchebags and furthering the partisan shitstorm in Washington.

>>2937966
Exactly, it was a Tea Party conspiracy

>>2937974

>patriotic

...lol

>>2937968
It's just as bad as ever

>>2937889
>The teabaggers worked with in the system like grown ups and changed the landscape of Washington in 2010

Holy shit is that funny. Are you a comedian, becuase I thought only liberal fag with english degrees would be comedians.

They both seem to be the same to me, they even seem to be saying alot of the same things -

it just seems like they just happen to be on opposite ends of the political spectrum so they don't seem to want to chill out togehter

>>2937929

Ok, and did those people change the culture of Washington in any meaningful way?

In 08 the Democrats took both houses and the presidency, was there an epic landscape change or the same old corruption, infighting, and incompetence.

The corporate backers and plutocrat king makers remain the same. Nothing has changed. Nothing will change.

The Tea Party is just a corporate marketing ploy now, which is mostly all it was after 6 months anyhow. OWS is dead. It's hippy consensus shit is not at all well attended. They draw crowds because hopeless people feel like rioting.

I expect lots more riots but no political change to come out of the left.

I expect lots more derp coming out of butthurt old whites railing about "Obama socialism," but their votes are going towards the same old ends. Lol, their big deficit hawk Ryan is going to fix the debt by giving the rich 4 trillion in tax cuts and balancing the budget in, by his own admission 20 fucking years, and by non-partisan analysts in 30 years. Way to fucking go, you shifted the landscape a whole lot there.

The early Tea party was good, but then Sarah Palin. Fucking Sarah Palin who makes a rock look smart.

>>2937968
worse?
MORE partisan?
no you idiot they stopped the democrats, which is what people voted for them to do
the incumbent Republicans who were moderates got run out by the tea party

>>2937998
Even though that is one retard, OWS greatly outweighs the Tea Party with retards

>implying the tea party movement isn't just part of the mainstream republican party.

OWS for all questions

>>2937980
>>2937893
>what point does OWS have?
>rich people are BAD, we need more government to punish rich people and banks!!!
So lets go smash property belonging to the regular little people, and block roads/subways/bridges/trains they need to get to work.

...

tea party gets my support,
Don't like everything about them but socialism must be opposed.
I would rather live around the tea party than occupoopers.

>>2937998
>man of faith
>niggar

why am I not surprised

OWS is right for the wrong reasons. Tea Party is wrong for the right reasons.

To be honest, the media is so effective at getting people to demonize and hate the other side, nothing is ever going to be fixed.

>>2938008

>liberals
>funny
>pick one

>>2937893
The tea party has a point too, and a much better formed one than Occupy.

And they don't vow to shut down huge metropolitan areas on top of having that superior message too, so they've got that going for them.

>>2937998

yeah teaparty is anti-black and OWS is anti-semite

there are racit shits in both the movements

>>2938067
parroting the "teaparty and GOP are racists" nonsense?
do you have anything new?
trying getting your news from a source other than the daily show

retard

>>2938067
>tea party
>anti-black
>regularly inviting logical blacks and hispanics to speak at their events
>support the shit out of Herman Cain, Allen West, etc.

Yeah, you keep writing that false narrative guy, not that the media needs your help with it anyway.

>>2938059
What's the point?

>DURR GOVARMENT TOO BIG

I agree with that, but I also agree with occutards that there is far too much corporate influence in government, something that teabaggers seem to think goes along with being a "hard working patriot" or some shit.

Both sides look at the same problem in black and white, and both sides are absolutely retarded.

>>2938027

so they didn't like the moderate republicans yet they call the liberals extremists constantly? its just the opposite side of the same coin and yes, its worse now than it ever has been

>>2938056

All major US media is bought and paid for. This is to be expected.

The police clashes and violence have nothing to do with retards, both sides have plenty of retards.

Police don't attack middle class whites. Shit, in the town halls you had people screaming at, puffing up at, and touching Senators and Congressmen, if that happened at an OWS event there would be a baton blow to the skull instantly.

That's not a conspiracy, that's culture. Elderly whites get way more leeway than a bunch of kids and OWS is also far more racially diverse (still mostly white).

Old people don't riot, look at Tea Party crowds, most are greying old, and those who aren't at least are in their 30's. Simple social dynamics.

>>2938105
see there you fail to see the point
If the federal government wasn't so large and powerful they would not be able TO MAKE LIGHT BULBS ILLEGAL to help out their pals at GE

>>2938041

Yeah, that's my stance, basically. I liked the original 2009 tea party, before Beck and Palin invited the God Squad to hijack the whole movement and turn it into a religious right group. I'm still with them on cutting a fuckton of spending and taxes, and the ease of regulations to promote growth and startup of new companies, but their "return to the Bible" shit is annoying. They get my vote, mostly of all, because they display understanding of due process of law and legislation, and actually unite around their issues and help pass the legislation, rather than look around finding the right thin-glassed window to throw molotov cocktails into.

Pic related, tea party wants to get rid of these thugs.

>>2938132

oh god here we fuckin go

>>2938105

This guy has the right idea.

Tea-baggers and Occupiers are only looking at half of the problem on both sides. If they joined together then maybe they'd actually get their message across the country but that isn't going to happen.

>>2938115
only the losing side says partisan ism is bad
they were not voted in to work with the democrats they were voted in to STOP the democrats
and they did just that

Both are filled with equally dumb people, but there was an article that proved that the people who back the Teabaggers are generally smarter. I think it was in the NY Times, but I can't find it.

>>2938169
teaparty conservatives/libertarians

OWS Marxist/faggots

>join forces

ARE YOU A FUCKING RETARD?

>>2938139

lol economist fail, if the recovery is stalled due to too high taxes and too much regulation why are businesses sitting on record amounts of capital?

Why are banks fully capitalized with interest rates at historic lows?

There is no supply side crises, people have more than enough capital to invest, the problem is that there is no demand. US factories and offices are actually below capacity right now. Building vacancies are still way up from 2007 so why would anyone build new buildings?

The problem is demand. Fix 1/6th of Americans living in poverty and 1/2 living at less than twice the poverty line and that'll get demand up.

All this "cut taxes on the rich, it'll spur growth" betrays deep cynicism from the elite and retardation on the part of the public.

Yet teabaggers are happy to go on about how the government "bullies" oil and gas companies.

Bottom line is, both groups are seeing the same problem. but are too stupid to come up with anything but a half-solution.

>>2938105
You know what the point is, and it's not just "GUBMINT BAD" at all.

The tea party has no set platforms, being so decentralized, but the main themes are fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government, business-friendly markets to lower unemployment, and secure borders (like every nation needs to have, nothing racist about it, so in b4 that lie).

>>2938120
>Police don't attack middle class whites.
According to you they do, since they've had to crack down on OWS.
>Elderly whites get way more leeway than a bunch of kids
"More leeway?" Seriously? The fact is they haven't needed any "leeway" whatsoever, since they are law abiding, peaceful, and respectful. If OWS had been, kids and hippies or not, then they would have gotten the same treatment as the Tea Party rallies.

Do you like rioting and polluting or peaceful assemblies with goofy signs?

>>2938067
>>2938100

the tea party is anti black for the same reason OWS is anti-semite and that is:

what they hell are these people doing at your rallies holding up those racist signs. You see it in OWS and the tea party and how do they get away with it? Why don't people tell them to fuck off?

Never seen or herd any racism from the tea party, OWS numerous news accounts and pictures of blatant racism.
Keep repeating tea party is racist.
we won't even mention how the liberals are intrinsically racist in their views regarding negro social ability.

>>2938215

I see, so I could run around a cop, touching him, scream in a senators face, touch him, and not get batoned if I wasn't white and over 50?

Bullshit.

>>2938172

oh yes, stop them - from what exactly

i hope their temporary stop for the democrats was well worth making complete fools out of themselves and the party they support. all but a select few reps have distanced themselves from their bullshit and rightfully so, if repubs have any chance of salvaging their party, ditching the tea party is the first step

If the government wasn't so obscenely powerful and capable of affecting everyone's lives then massive corporations (which are, themselves, government chartered entities) wouldn't be able to use money to purchase that obscene level of power.

>>2938243
>Never seen or herd any racism from the tea party
>0/10
Next time kid, actually look at the Tea Party political movement, not the tea party your big sister is having in the other room.

>>2938262

which is in effect what both sides want, their path to getting there is far different though

>>2937849

Neither's totally right, neither are totally wrong. Both of them are a reaction to the greed, corruption and incompetence of corporatations and the Government.

>>2938200


>Why are banks fully capitalized with interest rates at historic lows

But that's wrong, banks aren't even on course to hold 5% of their assets as proper capital i.e - cash within years

Have you even tried to set up a business and hire someone? Do you realize the ridiculous amount of hoops business owners have to jump through to hire one person?

>>2938243

hey I'm not saying OWS is not racist, and you're right, I see alot more racism coming from OWS than I see from the tea party

but at the same time, I do see a little racism from some segments of the tea party and I don't see the rest of the tea party doing or saying anything to condem it or stop it

Good time for some 99%.

>>2938242
>Why don't people tell them to fuck off?
They do, actually, and even more so when the media was hell-bent on accusing them of it.

>>2938244
Lol, I would love to see video or pictures of Tea Partiers running around and touching a cop. And no one screamed in any senators' faces or touched them as far as I'm aware either. They yelled at some while they walked past, and they got testy during town hall meetings. You really would have made a decent point if it had any basis in reality.

>>2938265
see how they lie.
they think you are dumb enough to buy their bigoted elitist bullshit.
I know what racism is and the left is guilty.

Tea Party, they actually got results without people getting injured or arrested.

Tea Party. Even though they got hijacked badly later on, at least they didn't have the lolProgressiveStack.

>>2937849
I'm a socialist European.

IMO the tea party is better than the "occupiers".
I disagree with everything they stand for...but at least they stand for something.
"occupiers" don't do anything, and they steal public space from the people.

Also "occupiers" in my county (Netherlands) are mostly Eastern-European thieves and rapists.
But I realize the American "occupiers" aren't like them so I didn't add that into my comparison.

>>2938357

it's weird how international the occupy movement is

with groups in different countries advocating totally different things

>I've lived in America for 30 years. During that time I couldn't be bothered learning English and I'm now surprised I'm poor.

ows supporter

>>2938374
>cause getting a group of stoned students and the unemployable is hard.
no wonder they are failing.

the tea party they're fucking over their own family, friends and neighbors

Tea Party doesn't make any sense. "Temporarily embarrassed millionaires" the lot of them.

>>2938437
Yeah, advocating a smaller, leaner, more efficient, and non-intrusive government really fucked me over.

>>2938374
Yes.

And if the American OWS crowd wants European style socialism then what the fuck do the European "occupiers" want which they don't already have?

I think the real reason Europeans are "occupying" is because they read about it on twitter/facebook and want to be a part of the hype.

Both groups have some flaws, in terms of their tactics and beliefs. But that's not the important part, the important part is that they both understand that big government and big business have become fused at the hip and are both out to get us.

>>2938437
>the tea party they're fucking over their own family, friends and neighbors

all of my family, friends and neighbors support the tea party but none of us dislike the country of the constitution.

OWS just another leftest manufactured problem.

>>2938353
>Tea Party. Even though they got hijacked badly later on,at least they didn't have the lolProgressiveStack.

Just think, if OWS ran the country like they wanted to they'd probably replace the government with the Progressive Stack.

*shudder*

I prefer actual democracy over "hey, I'm a black jewish woman therefore my opinion is worth several times more than yours white man. Because muh oppression." Fuck you OWS.

both were supposed to be non partisan groups that were subverted into a left vs right paradigm within a week.

both failed.

>>2938249
is that the DNC disinformation campaign's latest?
distance yourself from the people who gave you a crushing victory over your opponents?

>>2938459
Oh, and for those interested how it went down in Amsterdam:

Stage one: bunch of hippies set up camp
Stage two: tourist sleep at the camp so they don't have to pay for a hotel. (it was right next to the red light district so very convenient)
Stage three: when it got colder, they squatted inside a big monumental building that happened to be empty (how the fuck are you going to "protest" indoors.
Stage four: building gets stripped from copper and any other valuables, human feces everywhere, two girls get raped, one guy dies from a drug OD.

Occupy Amsterdam - fuck yeah!

>>2938459
>And if the American OWS crowd wants European style socialism

They don't. They want what they imagine European style socialism to be. Because "lol Europe is left of America and a socialist paradise" which isn't remotely true.

the orignal movements of each are far better than what they've become. OWS is now hippy bullshit and TEA is now just a bunch of right wing nut jobs.

whats sad is that both messages were eerily similar, effectively "please put yourself to a higher moral standard bankers and government." You could argue that the teaparty and OWS just placed more blame on one side than the other.

I also find it funny that people complain about OWS getting arrested and not working in the box. It almost proves the democrates are right when it comes to government expansion. With changing government there is a built it way to change it, a system to work within. In private business (the banks) there is no channel for OWS to move through to effectively change banking.

>>2938519
who told you that?

>>2938519
the teaparty was always a conservative movement from the begining
and yes there were many moderate democrats Involved ( they switched parties in the 2010 elections)

>>2938353
>Tea Party. Even though they got hijacked badly later on

They were astroturfed by FOXnews from the start, nothing got "hijacked".

I disliked both, but I preferred the Tea Party, because they followed the rules and didn't pick fights with the police. The Tea Party also had the most unintentionally hilarious signs too.

>>2938573
conservative isn't equal to right wing though, they turned it into a "LOOK HOW STUPID THE RIGHT IS LOL" just like OWS turned into "LOOK HOW ENTITLED AND FAGGY THE LEFT IS LOL"

as soon as a movement is turned into left vs right, you automatically divide the population almost 50/50 on the issue

>>2938574
If you were paying attention, they were not always foxnews turf. It started with some pissed off economist who hated the bailouts and how some banks were treated with special rules.

Ows started out of Adbusters i believe.

>>2938552

that's one thing - a movement like the Tea party or OWS is exactly what we need right now.

But we just can't seem to get our shit together and pull it off in any meaningful way.

>>2938616
Because you dumb asses polarize everything to "HURR LIBRULS" or "HURR REPUBLITARDS"

Start trying to find common ground instead of looking to prove how right you are all the time.

>>2938616
because we can't see past abortion and medicare.

>OWS

>>2937849

I would say the disappointing mayday protest turn out lets us know how it's going for the campus socialists.
You Mad.

>>2938605
But it only became a "movement" when FOXnews made it so.

As opposed to OWS which is a real grassroots movement.

>>2937849
10 reasons why OWS is a waste of time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2fxUvbHzoo

The Tea Party is made of whiny entitled oldfags and Occupy Wall Street is made of whiny entitled newfags

Both sucks, but the people that believe the Tea Party faggotry is in any way better than OWS are mentally ill

>>2938678
LOL, he really believes that.
If that is true,so what?
are you one of those democrats who want more government censorship?

>>2938741
>so what?

So the statement "it got hijacked" is false.

I'm not passing any judgement, it's just good to know the "teaparty" was never an independent movement but carefully engineered.

>"oh OWS and the TEA Party need to come together!"
>go to OWS protest, "socialist worker's party" and "american communist party" banners everywhere
>communist symbols on homemade signs everwhere

Haha, yeah no. Not going to happen. The hipster faggot communist revolution can die in a fire.

>>2938790
>communist groups show up to places with large amounts of young voters and students
>FUCKIN COMMIES

Holy shit, I can't believe you're this stupid.

>>2938678
OWS only became a movement after olbermann picked it up.

>>2938788
As opposed to OWS which is a real grassroots movement.

>As opposed to OWS which is a real grassroots movement.

How is this even a question?

Tea party actually got congressman elected, OWS will continue to be a supremely retarded and irrelevant shitfest.

>>2938829
Yeah, sure, twitterbook had nothing to do with it, it's all Olbermann and his infinite power.

>>2938678
>But it only became a "movement" when FOXnews made it so.
Lol, and how did they do that? By actually giving a big wave of protests coverage? But they were already having the protests, and so were already a movement without Fox. You're fucking stupid.

>>2938788
I know you desperately want to be right about this, but the facts prove otherwise.

>So the statement "it got hijacked" is false.
It's not.

>I'm not passing any judgement, it's just good to know the "teaparty" was never an independent movement but carefully engineered.
Except it very much was one at the start, and I actually know and spoke to people that took the initiative to start them in cities my area. They had no directive to do so, and received no funding from anyone. You're lying.

> OWS which is a real grassroots movement.

OWS is more right, but they're poorly-run. I understand their points and I agree, but they have no clue what they're doing.

The Tea Party is crazy, but they're effective. They have clear opinions stated clearly.

OWS is right but ineffective.
Tea Party is wrong but effective.

OWS = spontaneous grassroots movement organized through social media

Tea Party = funded by rich guys from the very beginning and organized by Fox News

fox news and tea have been at odds from the beginning, but they don't ignore them like the state run media does.
Reporting events equates to support to a socialist.

Occupy are a bunch of Marxist cunts.

>>2938920
>Wanting lower taxes and less goverment: wrong and crazy

>Shouting for class warfare and vandalizing cities: right

At least you can realize that they're retarded and innefective

OWS is obviously the better movement. While there are a lot of faggot hipsters, I'd take those over old slightly racist fat bible belters who want "government out of my medicare"

OWS started as an anarchist movement to take power away from corporations, specifically overturn the citizens united ruling. Who actually likes the outcome of that decision?

inb4 inbred stormfags call me a marxist because they are ignorant fucks

which is objectively better? Tea Party, it actually did something. Got several people elected including IT'S HAPPENING 2.0

>>2938897
>and how did they do that?

By first telling their audience to attend, then exaggerate the number of attendants by a factor 20 to give it weight, and finally by continuously reporting on their own movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

>>2938959
>MARXISTS

>Do you know what a marxists is?
>a marxists likes niggers!!!11!!

stay uneducated, faggot

>>2938454
smaller, leaner, more efficient, and non-intrusive
smaller like DHS
leaner like no bid contracts
efficient like letting the lobbyist write the laws
non-intrusive except the 50% that are women

>Tea party
>Old faggots moaning about shit

>OWS
>Maxist hipster faggots moaning about shit

Same thing, different age groups. Neither is better than the other

Tea Party easy!

>>2938897
>I actually know and spoke to people that took the initiative to start them in cities my area. They had no directive to do so

Sure, they didn't watch FOXnews at all.....and certainly wouldn't be inspired by anything FOXnews told them they could do.

>OWS which is a real grassroots movement.
OWS has been pretty well exposed to the people and particapents as a socialist plot started on city college campuses and funded by unions and foreign provocateurs who will profit from the disruptive activities.
It was and is a lie exposed.
your masters have failed.

>>2938979
>By first telling their audience to attend
Maybe Hannity did, but that isn't the news part of Fox News. They never told their audience to attend anything, and they didn't even need to do so since the rallies were already being planned and there was lots of momentum among the people. Grassroots.

>then exaggerate the number of attendants by a factor 20 to give it weight,
I remember them posting a picture with a lot of people as if there were at some even where there were not, but not doing what you just said at all.
>by continuously reporting on their own movement.
1. Not their movement. That is a fact, and again, I'm intimately aware of cities in which people started them of their own accord and local funding.
2. So reporting on a huge protest movement is somehow "making it a movement." Circular and retarded, since that would mean they also supported Occupy since they continued to cover it too.

You're not right. At all. Say what you want about them now, but you can't rewrite what happened.

>>2937989

that brainwashed huffington propaganda

itt: retards sling their propaganda from left vs right at each other

>>2938992
Because the tea party does/did all of that, and hates women, which comprise much of the tea party organizers. Pure idiocy.

Neither, both movements have been turned into useful idiots by the extremists of their respective philosophies. Whatever was good about them is gone now.

teaparty is illiterate white trash. They may kill the GOP at this rate.

Either way no one they like survived the primaries.

>>2938990
>OWS protests feature Marxist slogans, Marxist logos, signs declaring sponsorship by Marxist political groups.
>herp derp those racist teabaggers only call us OWSers Marxist because we are pro-nigger.

Stay classy.

I'll take lower taxes and limited government over muh socialism

>>2939079

bigot

the OWS people are too hateful and violent in their rhetoric for my tastes. I can sympathize with some of their claims but they just act like fucking angry edgy teens.

>>2938928
>Tea Party = funded by rich guys from the very beginning and organized by Fox News

actually a bunch of oldfags that started to hate the fact Chanology got over run with leftists along with a few libertarian groups started the whole tea party thing

and /b/tards of all people outed Adbusters and the dailyKOS using the willing idiots over at whyweprotest to start the whole OWS crap using "Gregg Housh's chanology as a template"

and now you know

>>2939087
Government so small, it fits in your uterus.

>>2939099
holy shit, what fucking planet does the guy who made that cartoon live on?

I fucking hate both movements, but that cartoon is literally the opposite of reality

>>2939154
How so?

>>2939154
Since when? Except for Fox News, the media has absolutely shit all over the tea party since day one.

Shit, even our fucking President literally calls them "teabaggers" on camera. It fucking terrifies me that a president can not only ignore that kind of protest, but actually stand there and mock it on camera.

>>2938928
OWS
>astroturfing
>paid protestors
>formed and organized by Adbusters

"spontaneous grassroots movement" my fucking ass.

>>2939072
they want that stuff and advocate for it

>>2939256
you know its funny when their SEEKRIT PLANS get outed by /b/ of all people

>>2938970
>Who actually likes the outcome of that decision?

You mean the one that reaffirms the First Amendment even when it's unpopular? Me, for one.

It's easy to defend free speech when people you like are saying things you like. It's harder to defend free speech when people you don't like are saying things you don't like. And those unconstitutional rules the government tries to get away with having on who can and can't say what, when, will only grow and eventually be used on me, too.

>>2939263
No, they don't. Hence why I made my other post pointing that out.

>>2939072
>and hates women
commie talking point detected, the truth squads have arrived.

>>2939229
>It fucking terrifies me that a president can not only ignore that kind of protest, but actually stand there and mock it on camera.

Finally, someone who gets it. You don't have to be a tea partier to be worried about a president who acts like that to his political opponents. He's the president of the United States, not hte president of the Democratic party. He should at least be respectful to any significant group of Americans and respectful of the issues they have, regardless of his personal politics.

>>2939303
he was being sarcastic

I think

>>2939303
I think your sarcasm detector dun broke.

The Occupy protestors do untold amounts of damage and commit violent crimes wherever they show up. Tea partiers do not.

>>2939283
yes they do
they are repulsive slimy cowards that wanna mind every womans cunt

>>2939277
Money=/=speech
it's that fucking simple.

>>2939305
Pretty much this

>>2939337
lol, you are delusional and completely pathetic.

>>2939348
what the blue fuck are you talking about retard?

>>2939348
>he thinks "speech" means literally the act of talking

Money = publication, broadcasting, printing, hosting information, travel, airtime, hosting public forums, otherwise spreading your message

those all = speech

therefore, using the transitive property we are forced to conclude that
money = speech

>>2939365
superpacs you ignorant fuck

>>2939348
fuck you
free speech is free speech regardless of class or money
ignorant whore

>Obama opposes Citizen's United and the idea of SuperPACs
>but he forms his own SuperPAC anyway and is the wealthiest president in history and spends more on campaigning than any president in history

Liberal hypocrisy at its finest.

>>2937788

we should raise corporate taxes!!!! XD

>>2939383
sorry people pooling there resources to campaign for the candidate of their choice is exactly the type of thing the founding father were trying to protect in the 1st amendment

fucking retard go occupy something faggot

>>2939403
Has also spends more time campaigning than any other one, partially because of >>2939305's point, that even after being newly elected, everything he does is politics, and also he's held the most fundraisers during this time, iirc.

The Tea Party wins everyday.
>Scott Walker Wisconsin, defeated the fucking public sector unions when they spent countless millions (draining them of cash for 2012)
>Scott Walker Wisconsin balancing the budget and passing a budget.
>Scott Brown taking Ted Kennedy's seat!
>Rick Scott FL, slapping down Elite Rail saving the state millions if not billions
Chris Christie New Jersey, balancing the budget and passing a budget.
Bobby Jindal Louisiana, M.Night is encouraging people to invest in New Orleans again.

and so on

every progressive state is in the hole

>>2939383
>people shouldn't have the right to come together in their shared political ideas and support their cause!

>Corporations aren't people! No First Amendment protections for Corporations! Money =/= speech!
>Oh hey, why is the government suddenly censoring all my news, and my websites, and my books, and my...

Dumbasses.

>>2939383
union money laundering.

>>2939386
yeah because allowing people and private entities give millions in untraceable money to politicians is giving us great results.

I'm for democracy, not a plutocracy where those with the most money can silence those with the least.

>>2939478
Honest question. My understanding of economics is fairly elementary.

Why is that a result of corporations losing the status of personhood?

I don't understand the hatred of corporate personhood.

"Corporations aren't people", they say. But who do you think run corporations? Robots? Of course corporations are people. They're groups of people. Just like any other group of people.

Corporate personhood is a legal fiction intended to protect people's rights and provide for conveniences in legal matters, such as the ability to sue a corporation rather than attempting to sue every single member of that corporation individually.

>>2939519
Because if corporations (which are, it's important to note, just groups of people) don't have the rights that people have individually, then they have no legal recourse for the government doing that.

>>2939478
except you just make everything transparent, including donations the political candidates

you people are sensationalist, jesus christ

>>2939478
That's the usual difference between us. Someone who pays attention to the facts, rather than swallows bullshit talking points. And even if they didn't support it anyway, they could recognize that it's simply constitutional anyway and try to elect those who would change it, rather than claim it's an "activist court" to simply uphold the first amendment.

>>2939533
ah. I'm not sure I entirely agree... but I understand.
thanks.

>>2939534
Except then that would leave them open for some retaliation or intimidation for their views, as has just recently happened to some Romney contributors.

Everything is better than the Teabaggers.
Even though that's a hard choice.

>Corporations are bad herp derp.
vote 0bama 2012.

The Tea Party accomplished more, but both are fucking retarded.

>>2939519
>Why is that a result of corporations losing the status of personhood?

Because, all modern media and communications is provided by corporate entities. The only thing ensuring any person's right to freely speak or publish without government interference is the first amendment. If corporations are not people to whom the first amendment applies, then they have zero rights to freedom of speech or press. At all.

Without those protections the government can literally dictate anything any corporate entity publishes in any form of media, or order any such opinions removed. Which in this modern world means all forms of media become open to government control.

Are we going off of the ideas or the people?

Both OWS and the Tea Party have great ideas, but a lot of stupid people.

OWS I see as attacking corporate subsidies, but then a bunch of retards showed up and started saying they just want to get subsidized too.

The Tea Party is about government in general. Cutting subsidies and taxes, but then a bunch of regular retard republicans showed up and made it nothing more than a term to describe republicans the establishment really likes.

So I'd probably agree with the Tea parties ideas more, but I'd rather be around OWS so I can argue with them.

>>2939577

Anybody knows the name of this macro? You know, the variations of this guy with both hands on his chin and stuff.

>>2939615
It mostly came down to the one very important question when they admitted that ruling against CU would mean they can outright ban books and movies.

OWS is an unoragnized mess of hippie scum but with legit discussion points.

Tea Party has the opposite problem, they're organized but are lead by the Republicans and are effectively neutered when it comes to actualizing positive changes for this country.

Overall the Supreme Court is surprisingly bro-tier, at least in comparison to Congress or the President.

Most of their controversial choices have been of the "tough, but necessary" vein of reasoning and Citizen's United is no exception.

Worth noting is what the Citizen's United case was originally about. This group was told they couldn't air a video critical of Hilary Clinton near an election (i.e. the very time one would be interested in being critical of a politicial you oppose).

If CU was overturned, then just wait until Congress says that /pol/ can't talk shit about politicians in a campaign season and see how long your opinion lasts.

>>2939636

Yep, that was what the supreme court said. It was either rule the way they had, or give the government unlimited free reign to censor everything, neutering the first amendment.


But no, of course they're the evil villains trying to ruin America by selling out to corporate power...

A four-year old boy was shot to death by his common-law father, a religious leader who thought the boy was gay, because he had slapped another boy’s behind.

>>2939696
And yet Fahrenheit 911 was completely legit and made some money. Pretty fucked up.

>>2939632

no idea,

but I think that one was the first

>>2939720
...so?

>>2939571
Finally someone replies to what I say without ad hominem

They should be held accountable. You should know which companies/people support which candidate so that if you don't agree you can stop supporting them.
That's the free market, that's how it should work.

>>2939720

>>2939585
>implying Obama isn't a corporate whore like the rest of them

PAUL 2012, corporations are not people

>>2939720
niggers gonna nig

If the government didn't have the control over the economy that liberals voted them into, then it wouldn't matter how much money corporations threw at them.

as it is, you have the insane running the asylum. But I can choose not to be a corporation's customer, but I can't choose to not pay my taxes, and THAT is the difference between the two.

The answer to rampant government power is not giving the government more power.

>>2939753
>You should know which companies
But that's already the case. People found out about Target's contributions and boycotted.

>and people
Nah. As I said, there has already been intimidation of contributors. And if no one has to reveal what they do in the voting booth to avoid intimidation, why would you force them to reveal it when they contribute? That's not how it works.

>complain about big government but not big business that owns them
>complain about big business but expand government because clearly the government is an incorruptable institution (as long as a DEMOCRAT is in charge!)

sane people meet in the middle and know that it's true that the government is full of nepotistic plutocrat scumbags that are only interested in their own gain while in a "civil service" position and that Wall Street is are run by greedy jew con-men who only care about how much they can steal from people who actually work for a living and they can always jump ship and become the CEO of another big business even after their shit-tier business mismanagement and corruption killed their current infected host

>>2939827
>wall street steals from TEH PEOPLES

You don't know shit about how investment works. Kill yourself.

>>2939739
christians are the main supporters of the republicans

>>2939857
...And?

>>2939857
What's your point? Are you
>implying
that this was in some way politically motivated, or that this says something about republicans in general?

>>2939852

morning JIDF, how many billions you stolen today?

>>2939857
The majority of dem supporters claim to be Christian too. Damn, you people just fire off whatever nonsense talking points without thinking at all. A good thing in a small way, since then /pol/ is reflective of the country in general, with some rational people and the majority being partisan jackasses.

>>2939857
Christians are so much of the population that they're the main supporters of everyone.

>>2939857
the republican base is insane / nuts /delusional /stupid

>>2939933
ya..

>>2939808
>Nah. As I said, there has already been intimidation of contributors. And if no one has to reveal what they do in the voting booth to avoid intimidation, why would you force them to reveal it when they contribute? That's not how it works

Because campaign contributions affect everyone and correlates with the outcome of elections. Just look at the republican primaries, no one besides Romney had a chance of winning because he had tens of millions more than the other candidates.
Like it or not, politics is a public business. You have the right to keep your vote private, but when you are significantly changing the public's views with ads people deserve the right to know who is paying for those ads. Political intimidation is illegal, the people involved should be dealt with accordingly. But that doesn't mean the public doesn't deserve to know when special interests are involved just because some people may resort to intimidation. That's the price of freedom.

>being threatened in person because you differ from someone else politically
It saddens me that people act this way.

>thisiswhyicarryagun.jpg

>>2939857
>christians are the main supporters of the republicans

And of the democrats.

>>2940018
I strongly disagree, political intimidation still happens and just did, and an individual contributing or putting their voice out to the public is not a "special interest."

>>2940078
idk don't remember ever seeing a christian advocating for democrats

>>2940018
>putting out an ad saying why you disagree with a politician and why you think they are bad for the country
>intimidation

This is why we can't have nice things.