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    45 KB Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:21 No.2845028  
    Who is or was the most intelligent person in history?
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:22 No.2845043
    Stupid question
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:22 No.2845048
    statistically, some no-name dude.

    Otherwise, Newton.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:23 No.2845056
    Probably a Jew or an Indian.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:23 No.2845069
    Ron Paul
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:23 No.2845074
    they say 0.5% of the world is descended from ghengis khan so biologically he was the most successful person in history
    offspring>intelligence
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:25 No.2845097
    >>2845069
    0/10
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:25 No.2845098
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    >>2845069
    >thumbs up
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:25 No.2845111
    >>2845097

    >butthurt
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:27 No.2845130
    Most people who study intelligence would say that Einstein was likely the most intelligent person to ever live (that we know of).


    And he was a Socialist.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:27 No.2845134
    >>2845111
    >community college student
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:27 No.2845142
    >>2845134

    >Butthurt virgin detected
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:28 No.2845148
    I'm pretty fond of Tesla, myself. I don't believe he was the most intelligent person in history though. The man was a genius in many things, but he had the worst business sense ever.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:28 No.2845149
    Gauss
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:29 No.2845161
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    Some Alien.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:29 No.2845162
    >>2845134
    >>2845142
    holy fuck you two are sperglords from hell
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:29 No.2845175
    >>2845130
    Not really. What Einstein did was take what Riemann did and apply it to the real world. And even if we only look at physicists, I'd say Witten is close to being as good as Einstein.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:30 No.2845191
    >>2845130

    Anyone with a brain is a socialist. We all saw the failure of capitalism during the financial crisis yet some people just love sucking the cocks of their corporate masters.

    Here's Einstein's views on socialism. Quite an interesting read.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:30 No.2845200
    >>2845149
    >Gauss
    >implying Riemann wasn't the greatest mathematician in history
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:30 No.2845207
    >>2845191

    forgot link: http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Einstein.htm
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:31 No.2845219
    >>2845130
    >"Why Socialism?"[1] is an article written by Albert Einstein in May 1949 which appeared in the first issue of the socialist journal Monthly Review and is one of Einstein's most important and well known political works.[2] It discusses capitalism's failure to meet the human potential for creativity and concludes with Einstein's analysis on how to solve these problems, namely through a non-bureaucratic planned economy

    Sounds dumb. Like marxist uni professors, very good at one thing, hopeless at everything else.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:31 No.2845221
    >>2845191
    I've already read it, and, interestingly, the arguments are very good despite it being a short article.
    >> sagan !!OTSa1urbR87 04/27/12(Fri)19:32 No.2845232
    Isaac Newton.

    By quite a distance.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:32 No.2845242
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    >>2845219

    Unlike you who is so brilliant and talented at anything right?
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:33 No.2845251
    >>2845191
    >Anyone with a brain is a socialist.

    >Apart from people who hate poverty and totalitarianism.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:33 No.2845259
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    A challenger appears
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:33 No.2845261
    >>2845219
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    It should be called the Paulfag Effect.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:34 No.2845264
    >>2845242
    Nope. Thanks for >implying though.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:34 No.2845265
    >>2845251

    So Einstein loved poverty and totalitarianism? GTFO.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:35 No.2845289
    >>2845259
    >refusing to make money through patents
    >not seeing that only money can support his future research
    >intelligent
    NOPE.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:35 No.2845291
    >>2845259
    Tesla is overrated, he was too autistic to actually accomplish anything meaningful
    Edison on the other hand was a real man of genius
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:35 No.2845293
    Leonardo Dav Vinci

    still the person to beat.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:35 No.2845294
    >>2845219
    Oh look an intellectual favors a system of central planning. Stop the presses.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:35 No.2845296
    >>2845264

    Good. Well now that we've established that you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, I'm going to go with Einstein rather than your views.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:36 No.2845299
    >>2845261
    It's a shame history proves you wrong while you insult yourself with your own post.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:36 No.2845314
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    >>2845259
    >>2845259
    >>2845259
    >>2845259
    >>2845259
    >>2845259
    >>2845259
    >>2845259
    >>2845259
    >>2845259
    >>2845259

    TTTHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:37 No.2845317
    Do mean who was the most intelligent person KNOWN in history?

    given the statistics, probably some working class nobody lost to war, famine, disease or exploitative labour. hurray.
    >> sagan !!OTSa1urbR87 04/27/12(Fri)19:37 No.2845322
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    >>2845259

    No.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:37 No.2845326
    >>2845069

    /thread
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:37 No.2845329
    >>2845299
    YFW I go to an elite college.
    YFW I have an IQ over 140.
    YFW your whole world is a lie because you're literally too stupid to even realize that you're stupid.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:38 No.2845340
    >>2845291
    0/10 too obvious
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:39 No.2845349
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    >>2845069

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    HA
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:39 No.2845353
    >>2845296
    >>2845294
    >>2845265

    But socialism has killed millions at the hands of it's oppressive regime.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:39 No.2845356
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    What's up guys?
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:39 No.2845362
    There was a page on Wikipedia, I was looking at it a few years back, of these super intelligent people. Like one of them could learn icelandic in less than a week, which is remarkable because just about every word in icelandic is irregular.

    I'll see if I can find it. It's some sort of rare genetic condition. Get back to you on that, OP.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:40 No.2845371
    Diogenes the cynic.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:40 No.2845379
    >>2845353

    How many people has capitalism killed and enslaved?

    Yeah... Still gonna go with Einstein's views. Stay dumb capitalist plebs.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:41 No.2845383
    >>2845329
    lol oh you

    Everyone knows if you have to post your social status and iq on 4chan it actually means you're a thick as fuck weeabo.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:41 No.2845386
    >>2845362
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet#Savantism

    This guy is particularly interesting.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:42 No.2845405
    >>2845379
    None, as it's never been an enforced system. You've always been free to leave and do your own thing such as coops or communes etc.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:42 No.2845409
    >>2845232

    This, you idiots.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S3uAgyNyrs
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:42 No.2845420
    someone that could understand themselves perfectly.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:43 No.2845421
    >>2845291
    So alternating current and radio mean nothing to the world? GOOD TO FUCKING KNOW! Unlike Edison, Tesla was an inventor, not someone who stole patents, sold them under his own name, and electrocuted elephants to discredit competitors.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:43 No.2845434
    >>2845405
    if nothing bad's happened because of capitalism, nothing good's happened because of it, either.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:44 No.2845442
    >>2845329
    Your IQ is clearly below 80. Please stop posting.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:45 No.2845465
    I don't know, I'm a math major, so I pay more attention to geniuses within math.

    -'Paul Erdős has passed on to us Hardy's personal ratings of mathematicians. Suppose that we rate mathematicians on the basis of pure talent on a scale from 0 to 100, Hardy gave himself a score of 25, J.E. Littlewood 30, David Hilbert 80 and Ramanujan 100.'
    -Gauss, as others have pointed out
    -Euler
    -Alexander Grothendieck is the greatest mathematician alive.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:45 No.2845477
    >>2845314
    Tesla pretty much.

    Hawking, Einstein, etc..

    those guys were just thinkers.. they came up with some bullshit and wrote it down. then let other people do the work

    Tesla was a fucking hard ass nigga who got shit done himself.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:46 No.2845480
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    >>2845405

    >You've always been free

    Stopped reading there. NOTHING is free under capitalism. You even have to pay for water.

    Also, conscription during the Vietnam war? God why is the US so FREE?
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:46 No.2845490
    >>2845291
    Edison was a hack who stole and patented other people's inventions. He was good at being a corporate vulture though so I can't say that he wasn't intelligent.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:46 No.2845496
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    >>2845465

    How can you not say Newton?!

    >>2845259
    >>2845314
    >>2845477

    Just...no! Idiots!
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:47 No.2845509
    >>2845490
    making the most money for the least work is obviously the height of intellect.

    so edison is better, and bill gates is bestest.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:48 No.2845515
    >>2845496
    Because Liebniz invented calculus at the same time, and he made better notation.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:49 No.2845528
    >>2845371
    The question asked about the most intellgent person in history, not the wisest.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:50 No.2845546
    >>2845465
    I'd have to say Euler.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:51 No.2845555
    >>2845130
    >Hurr durr Einstein was partial towards socialism, that means he must be right

    Physicists should keep themselves out of politics
    Biologists should keep themselves out of philosphy
    Lawyers should keep themselves out of chemistry
    Accountants should keep themselves out of psychology

    The fact that such a brilliant man supported such a moronic system proves that scientists of any kind should limit themselves to their own field of specialisation. If Einstein also had a degree in law, political sciences or philosophy of right/state it would be a completely different matter (but, if that were true, he probably wouldn't have supported socialism).
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:51 No.2845562
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    this huy was born in April 15, 1452

    Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci was an Italian Renaissance polymath: painter, sculptor, architect, musician, scientist, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, cartographer, botanist, and writer

    He is widely considered to be one of the greatest painters of all time and perhaps the most diversely talented person ever to have lived.[2] According to art historian Helen Gardner, the scope and depth of his interests were without precedent and "his mind and personality seem to us superhuman, the man himself mysterious and remote

    He conceptualised a helicopter, a tank, concentrated solar power, a calculator,[6] and the double hull, and he outlined a rudimentary theory of plate tectonics. Relatively few of his designs were constructed or were even feasible during his lifetime,[nb 3] but some of his smaller inventions, such as an automated bobbin winder and a machine for testing the tensile strength of wire, entered the world of manufacturing unheralded.[nb 4] He made important discoveries in anatomy, civil engineering, optics, and hydrodynamics, but he did not publish his findings and they had no direct influence on later science.[7]

    as well as plans for several flying machines, including a light hang glider and a machine resembling a helicopter.[17]

    just snippets from wiki.
    truly a god amongst men.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:52 No.2845571
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    Of billions of intelligent humans who have lived, you're just naming people who have lived around a few centuries ago.

    And you're dumb enough to snub people like Kharazmi. Because you're dumb.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:52 No.2845577
    Newton
    godel
    archimedes because his inventions were bad ass
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:52 No.2845590
    Probably Nicola Tesla, even though he was bat-shit crazy (especially because he was bat-shit crazy).
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:53 No.2845595
    >>2845496
    you only say Newton because everyone has stood on the shoulders of his work,

    but i can easily one up you and say that newton and all the dudes before him stood on Eratosthenes' shoulders.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:53 No.2845597
    >>2845555
    but the baby birthing doctor is secretly the brilliant economist.
    >> sagan !!OTSa1urbR87 04/27/12(Fri)19:53 No.2845598
    >>2845555
    >>2845555
    >Physicists should keep themselves out of politics

    What a fucking asinine thing to say.
    You can put *any* working group there instead of physicists to illustrate just how stupid what you said is. Jesus christ.

    Politics is *not* limited to political "experts".
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:54 No.2845605
    "The ancient oracle that said I was the wisest of all the Greeks. It is because I alone, of all the Greeks, know that I know nothing."

    -Socrates
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:54 No.2845607
    ITT: People who themselves don't know anything beyond basic math, physics, and engineering declaring who they think is the smartest ever purely on guesses that will make their own shitty nationalities look good.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:55 No.2845620
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    >>2845577

    Archimedes almost invented calculus in 200 B.C
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:55 No.2845625
    >>2845590
    whats scary is, everything he ever said he could do.. he did..

    which means that his "death ray" and "earthquake machine" are probably completely real.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:55 No.2845631
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    >not knowing any glorious Iranian scientists
    >snubbing them because filthy Arabs call them Muslim scientists

    >>2845607
    Calculus is not basic math and I took calculus in high school.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:55 No.2845634
    I'd go with Archimedes he'd figured out a lot of shit before he got stabbed
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:56 No.2845645
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    >>2845598
    >Politics is *not* limited to political "experts".
    >is

    You are correct. It is not limited to political experts but it ought to be.
    >> sagan !!OTSa1urbR87 04/27/12(Fri)19:56 No.2845648
    >>2845595
    >but i can easily one up you and say that newton and all the dudes before him stood on Eratosthenes' shoulders

    Well, that's just plain wrong.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:56 No.2845654
    >>2845291
    Edison is overrated. He didn't invent shit. He just hired a ton of people to invent shit for him that he didn't give credit for. He released inventions, not insanely genius mathematical or physics formulas.

    >>2845293
    YES
    >> sagan !!OTSa1urbR87 04/27/12(Fri)19:57 No.2845664
    >>2845645

    Enjoy your totalitarianism.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:57 No.2845665
    >>2845620
    in philosophy, art, literature, etc.. ALMOST is really good.

    unfortunately calculus is kind of black and white.. there really is no "almost" in calculus
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:57 No.2845668
    I don't really know who was the greatest of all time but Heidegger was the last real philosopher and probably one of the greatest
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:58 No.2845682
    It has to be an ancient man, maybe the guy that came up with the zero or newton he is pretty amazing.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:59 No.2845698
    >>2845664
    >Implying a technocracy leads to dictatorship
    >Implying democracy doesn't
    Somebody should read Plato's Republic and study the French Revolution and Weimar republic.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:59 No.2845699
    >>2845648
    Really?

    because the dude these two are talking about
    >>2845577
    >>2845620
    wrote a fucking book on him.. sooooo
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:59 No.2845703
    >>2845665
    >calculus is kind of black and white
    >there's not almost in calculus

    WHAT THE FUCK.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:59 No.2845706
    >>2845682
    >zero
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gupta_Empire
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)19:59 No.2845714
    >>2845665

    Sure there is. He used infinitesimals years before anyone else.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:01 No.2845742
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    >of all the Chinese, Indian, Iranian and Amid people who have existed in history, only a white man must have been the most intelligent.

    Fuck off.
    >> sagan !!OTSa1urbR87 04/27/12(Fri)20:02 No.2845754
    >>2845698

    There is no such thing as "political experts" in the same sense that there are experts at physics. A "political technocracy" is nonsensical.

    Besides, I never said anything about democracy. I have anarchist leanings anyway and I in no way think democracy is the best way to do shit.

    >>2845699

    Oh...they wrote books on him? Really? He must truly be great then.

    He figured out the circumference of the earth in an ingenious way and was in general a smart guy... but compared to Newton his scientific achievements are dwarfed incredibly.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:04 No.2845774
    >>2845742
    >implying poll isn't too ethnocentric to think about non-whites ever
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:05 No.2845811
    >>2845742
    Breaking news: America and Europe are Eurocentric.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:06 No.2845830
    >>2845742

    Name 5 geniuses from those cultures
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:07 No.2845833
    >>2845754
    >There is no such thing as "political experts" in the same sense that there are experts at physics.
    What makes you think that? There are two routes we can take to create Political experts.
    1. The Platonic Route. This creates experts in the same way as current universities create experts in physics, by giving them an education in which all the relevant fields are taught to them. They will learn about politics, law, sociology, philosophy and a few other relevant fields, then do internships under the wing of the current political leaders before eventually replacing those leaders.

    2. The technocrat route. The ministry of finance is full of economists, the ministry of justice full of expert lawyers and legal scholars etc. etc.

    A technocracy is very well possible.

    Also
    >Anarchism
    >Valid political system
    Ach, my sides.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:07 No.2845847
    >>2845754
    that wasn't my point. Newton is revered because modern physics and mathematics rely on his work.

    same way Newton relied on everyone else that came before him. shit, newtons 3 laws of motion are based off Galileo's and Copernicus' work. He just improved and expounded on it.

    Im judging Newton on his ability to come up with radical ideas where there was no pre-established academics.

    when judged by that metric, he did very little.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:07 No.2845849
    >>2845830
    There have already been two named in this thread, you idiot.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:08 No.2845851
    >>2845742
    What..the..fuck..am..I..looking..at...
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:10 No.2845891
    >>2845742
    >Implying Chinese, Indian, and Iranian history books won't do the same after those nations have taken over the world.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:11 No.2845904
    >>2845891
    >implying thats an actual justification
    >> sagan !!OTSa1urbR87 04/27/12(Fri)20:11 No.2845906
    >>2845833

    So then, who defines and decides what a political expert is? What sort of opinions does such a politial expert hold?

    A technocratic anarchist society with no central political institution of authority might work though.

    >>2845847
    >Im judging Newton on his ability to come up with radical ideas where there was no pre-established academics.

    Are you fucking kidding me?

    New radical ideas? Are you saying Newton didn't have new, radical ideas?

    >when judged by that metric, he did very little.
    Lolno.

    >Newton is revered because modern physics and mathematics rely on his work.
    PRECISELY. The guy pretty much instigated modern science.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:13 No.2845938
    >ctrl-f Vinci

    >only two posts

    You sicken me /pol/.
    >> Kurt !8bECH3UGVE 04/27/12(Fri)20:15 No.2845955
    >>2845938
    yeah id give it to Leonardo da vinci too, guy was just great at everything
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:15 No.2845960
    >>2845906
    and all of his ideas were spawned from the work of others. he did very little in the way of coming up with original shit.

    Newton was the catalyst for modern science, not the source. if not for those before him, he would have had absolutely zilch to go on.

    smart guy in the right place, at the right time is all Newton was.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:16 No.2845982
    Some poor sod that died on a farm somewhere during the middle ages.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:17 No.2845996
    von Neumann is the only acceptable answer.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:20 No.2846028
    >>2845906
    >So then, who defines and decides what a political expert is?
    That is, admittedly, the hardest part of this system. I guess the best thing to do is to make sure that there is some kind of ministry of education is this technocratic state, where pedagogical experts and other relevant professionals discuss what knowledge the future leaders will need. Of course, we can describe what knowledge they need in vague terms (legal knowledge, philosophical knowledge, economical knowledge) but what they'd need to know exactly is hard to pinpoint. Nevertheless, they need to be broadly educated and know far more than the average graduate in either of those fields (which is why Plato believed that one could only become a good politician at the age of 40 or higher).
    >Anarchic technocracy
    So there is no state, but the experts are in charge of the non-existant state?
    >> sagan !!OTSa1urbR87 04/27/12(Fri)20:20 No.2846039
    >>2845960
    >and all of his ideas were spawned from the work of others. he did very little in the way of coming up with original shit.

    >invent new mathematics almost on a whim to explain universal gravitation
    >write most important scientific book ever written
    >pretty much explain everything in optics possible at the time
    >get shit on an imageboard some hundred years later saying he "did very little in the way of coming up with original shit"

    >Newton was the catalyst for modern science, not the source. if not for those before him, he would have had absolutely zilch to go on.
    Well, of course. That's what science is. No other person could have done nor did what Newton did (apart from Leibniz and calculus)... and that is precisely the point.

    >>2845996
    This is a respectable answer.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:21 No.2846049
    >>2845774
    >>2845811
    Well that's wrong. This planet is not that big, we should embrace all cultures and their histories.

    >>2845830
    I don't know about Chinks and Indians, but as for Iranians:

    1- Zakariyae Razi: He was first an "alchemist" but then realized that the tools he's using to turn lead into gold can be utilized for more useful stuff. He can be named as the first true chemical scientist. His most notable discovery is ethanol (alcohol is actually the term he coined).

    2- Al-kharazmi: Author of "Al-jabr va Moghabele" that collected and unified all we knew about math. His book includes use of integers up until quadratic equations. Algebra is named after his use of the word, "Al-jabr". Algorithm is also attributed to his name.

    3- Avicenna: he utilized modern medicine techniques. I don't know much about him.

    4- Nasir-al Din Toosi: Iranians also turned astrology into astronomy. He was an advanced astronomer, who built a fully-functioning observatory a few decades after the Mongol Conquest. He's notable mostly for his books.

    5- Abu-Reihan Biruni: I don't know about his works, but I know that he wrote many books on many topis. Maths, astronomy, physics (Iranians called physics Elm-al-Tabiee or Science of Nature, but now they just call it physics) chemistry and other stuff. He's also notable for his books.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:21 No.2846055
    whoever's richest

    warren buffett was the smartest guy in the world, but then he gave away too much of his money, now he's just in the top ten
    >> sagan !!OTSa1urbR87 04/27/12(Fri)20:25 No.2846096
    >>2846028

    But there is no objective expert. Even if two people go through the exact same education, one might end up a commie and the other a fascist. What you're essentially asserting is that there is an objectively superior political position that people must understand and respect. This is, in a nutshell, totalitarianism, and I see very little way around it.

    >So there is no state, but the experts are in charge of the non-existant state?

    It was just a badly thought out thing that struck me as I typed. But I suppose there will still be institutions of science, say, and they would naturally be run by experts and be supervised by laymen.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:29 No.2846147
    >>2846039
    Universal gravitation is pretty much his one real original idea, ill give you that.

    His books? okay so he condensed the ideas of all the shit he read and put his smart guy spin on it..thats never been done before.

    Optics? Euclid, Democritus, Epicurus, Aristotle, and Galen would like to have a word with you.

    my point stands. he had one good original idea.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:31 No.2846180
    >Who is or was the most intelligent person in history?

    "Dink" Bakur, the world's most intelligent garbage man.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:32 No.2846186
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    da vinci was someone from the future.

    its just unheard of that someone born in 1452 could be conceptualising tanks, planes, parashoots, muskets etc

    While Leonardo was working in Venice, he drew a sketch for an early diving suit, to be used in the destruction of enemy ships entering Venetian waters.

    lol

    The viola organista was an experimental musical instrument invented by Leonardo da Vinci. It was the first bowed keyboard instrument (of which any record has survived) ever to be devised.

    One design that he produced shows a helicopter to be lifted by a rotor powered by four men. It would not have worked since the body of the craft itself would have rotated in the opposite direction to the rotor.[21]

    While he designed a number of man powered flying machines with mechanical wings that flapped, he also designed a parachute and a light hang glider which could have flown.

    Leonardo was a master of mechanical principles. He utilized leverage and cantilevering, pulleys, cranks, gears, including angle gears and rack and pinion gears; parallel linkage, lubrication systems and bearings. He understood the principles governing momentum, centripetal force, friction and the aerofoil and applied these to his inventions. His scientific studies remained unpublished with, for example, his manuscripts describing the processes governing friction predating the introduction of Amontons' Laws of Friction by 150 year
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:33 No.2846198
    >no niggers mentioned in this thread

    I knew /pol/ could get something right.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:34 No.2846208
    >>2846096
    >But there is no objective expert. Even if two people go through the exact same education, one might end up a commie and the other a fascist.
    And how is this a problem? If we have, for example, a council of 50 political experts with vastly different political leanings despite their education that aren't dependant on the votes of an uneducated mass, they can have an actual debate on certain objects (like, for example, whether their monetary unit should be devaluated or not), in which other members of the council must be convinced through reasonable arguments. Since those other experts are educated as well, they will know what the debate is about and not be won over by false promises.
    > What you're essentially asserting is that there is an objectively superior political position that people must understand and respect. This is, in a nutshell, totalitarianism
    Nope, this is totalitarianism:
    >Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.
    Technocracy and totalitarianism aren't mutually inclusive, nor are democracy and totalitarianism mutually exclusive (think of democratically elected theocrats like Ayatollah Khomeini). A possible deterrent against totalitarianism would be, among others
    >A clear constitution and a strong, constitutional tradition
    >Seperation of powers + checks and balances (by dividing the experts among different political organs in the staet)
    >> sagan !!OTSa1urbR87 04/27/12(Fri)20:35 No.2846222
    >>2846147

    Even disregarding all the other things he did, that "one good idea" revolutionised science to such a degree that just given that he'd still be the smartest man to have ever lived.

    >Optics? Euclid, Democritus, Epicurus, Aristotle, and Galen would like to have a word with you.

    You didn't understand me, did you? He solved pretty much everything that was unknown at the time about optics, and also started postulating as to the nature of light (i.e wave or particle) and hell, had he not indulged so badly in his fanatical religious studies, I bet he could have contributed a hell of a lot more to science.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:35 No.2846223
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    >>2846198
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:39 No.2846297
    >>2846222

    >You didn't understand me, did you? He solved pretty much everything that was unknown at the time about optics, and also started postulating as to the nature of light (i.e wave or particle) and hell, had he not indulged so badly in his fanatical religious studies, I bet he could have contributed a hell of a lot more to science.

    i understood perfectly. he "postulated" about the nature of light the same way all those greek bro's "postulated" about it, except he had a leg up because of the information at his disposal.

    his gravitational laws were impressive no doubt, but we are just going to have to agree to disagree on whether or not that puts him in the running for most intelligent man.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:39 No.2846301
    >People think a Physicists opinion on Economics matters

    While Einstein, or whoever else may have been quite intelligent, they still lack the knowledge on Economic theory to even begin to speak on it. A Physicist speaking on matters relating to Economics would be like an Economist speaking on matters relating to Physics, they will be quite uninformed.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:41 No.2846329
    Euler definitely
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_things_named_after_Leonhard_Euler
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:41 No.2846330
    >>2846222
    >and hell, had he not (insert weird eccentricity here) I bet he could have contributed a hell of a lot more to science.

    to be fair you could say that about most great minds.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:41 No.2846333
    Mohammad was the most intelligent person ever lived.

    He was a goat hoarder who got to become God and idol of 1.8 billion people today.
    >> sagan !!OTSa1urbR87 04/27/12(Fri)20:42 No.2846349
    >A clear constitution and a strong, constitutional tradition
    >Seperation of powers + checks and balances (by dividing the experts among different political organs in the staet)

    That's what we're doing in democracies and that sure isn't working perfectly either. What leads you to believe it will in a technocratic state?

    >And how is this a problem? If we have, for example, a council of 50 political experts with vastly different political leanings despite their education that aren't dependant on the votes of an uneducated mass, they can have an actual debate on certain objects (like, for example, whether their monetary unit should be devaluated or not), in which other members of the council must be convinced through reasonable arguments. Since those other experts are educated as well, they will know what the debate is about and not be won over by false promises.

    Well, you called anarchism an invalid political stance earlier, and I have to call you out for this as well: this sounds incredibly far-fetched to me. If anarchism can be attacked for being utopic then this is no better in my opinion.

    A technocracy can far too easily fall into totalitarianism though, and I think you're aware of that danger. Besides, having 50 "political experts" decide like that sure doesn't like much else than totalitarianism to me. In the very least it's more of an oligarchy.

    >>2846330

    Yeah, that's true.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:42 No.2846355
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    thom yorke is the most intelligent person in history.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:43 No.2846359
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    >> The Slavic Caligula !O.N1d/WL9c 04/27/12(Fri)20:43 No.2846363
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    >>2845148
    Yes... Tesla was awesome and best yet, Serbian (/pol/'s favorite Slavs for removing Kebab).
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:44 No.2846381
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    Marie Curie
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:45 No.2846394
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    thinking humans are clever...

    2012...
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:46 No.2846407
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    Tesla.

    He inspired me to become an electrical engineer.

    One day I will achieve wizard status just like him. One day.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:48 No.2846430
    >>2846333
    That just makes him a good salesman.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:48 No.2846431
    >>2846349
    >That's what we're doing in democracies and that sure isn't working perfectly either.
    Not perfectly, but it works. If you can come up with a system that has no flaws whatsoever, I will gladly call you the most intelligent person in human history (thus ending this thread once and for all)
    >Well, you called anarchism an invalid political stance earlier, and I have to call you out for this as well: this sounds incredibly far-fetched to me.
    The idea of a group of broadly educated people having an intelligent debate about subjects relating to the common good sounds farfetched to you? You may be right about this, but that says more about the deranged state of our modern society than about the (in)validity of a technocracy.
    >Totalitarian and oligocracy
    Yes, you could certainly call it an oligocracy, meritocracy or aristocracy. However, just because there's no democratic legitimation doesn't mean the system is suddenly totalitarian. Not even the rule of Louis XIV, the most powerful monarch in European history, could be described as totalitarian. Only once the states starts meddling in the private affairs of its citizens and wants to decide every single aspect of it, does it become totalitarian.
    >> The Slavic Caligula !O.N1d/WL9c 04/27/12(Fri)20:51 No.2846471
    >>2846394
    I take that as a hint to buy Catapiller stock.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:51 No.2846481
    >>2846407

    well I was inspired by Da Vinci.

    Art is never finished, only abandoned.
    Leonardo da Vinci

    Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!
    Leonardo da Vinci

    For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return.
    Leonardo da Vinci
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:52 No.2846483
    Imposible to determine.
    certantly not OP
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:54 No.2846525
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    It really depends on what fields you are looking at

    Newton/Leibniz are probably the smartest mathematicians

    Some of the smartest people today would have to be Austrian economists since they don't just analyze markets, but incorporate understandings of ethics, morality and a philosophical understanding of human nature and complex social systems within society.

    But the most objectively difficult science would have to be linguistics.
    >> Anteater !!VyIROBcMkwf 04/27/12(Fri)20:56 No.2846548
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    Newton. Undoubtedly Newton.

    "Hey, maybe planets orbit in an elliptical rather than circular manner."

    "Prove it."

    "Brb. Inventing integral and differential Calculus.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)20:57 No.2846572
    a scheming woman.
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)21:01 No.2846621
    Why must we try to label everything as "the best" at something?
    It's such an arbitrary title.
    Time would be better spent solidifying theories of your own and making discoveries and stepping stones for further progress in your fields.

    I see this titling of people as subconsciously defeatist, an excuse to say "well I'll never be as intelligent as this person, so why try".
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)21:03 No.2846655
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    no love for Maxwell
    >> Anonymous 04/27/12(Fri)21:07 No.2846705
    Easily William James Sidis, look him up, he was exceptionally gifted

    Some will say Marilyn vos Savant, but personally I think she was a clever con artist (surely intelligent, but not the super genius she is purported to be)

    Anyone with that level of intelligence would be absolutely crippled socially, so I don't think it's something we should be particularly envious of - in fact, most of the smartest people who ever lived died poor and alone, riddled with personality defects


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