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    84 KB Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:12 No.2810584  
    Hey /pol/.

    I'm curious, why is it that Republicans and Democrats are so divided on the issue of global warming. I understand that many Republicans are Christians which is why they don't accept evolution, but what about global warming is so divisive? I haven't really looked into the issue either way, but I'm fairly certain that whether it's the Dems or the Reps that are wrong, it's not because they don't accept the science.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:16 No.2810638
    because nothing is ever my fault / america's fault
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:16 No.2810642
    Again, It's all about money. We all know it's real, but some say US can't afford to protect the earth while the country is very close to a bankruptcy so they deny the entire global warming theory to justify themselves, nothing more than that.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:17 No.2810657
    Because the Republican stance is "Whatever Democrats think is bad and we should think the opposite."

    That's really all there is to it.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:18 No.2810682
    Because of all the money the oil companies dump onto lobbyists and politicians.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:20 No.2810710
    >>2810584
    Because human intervention won't stop it. And global warming is a good thing.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:24 No.2810759
    Because the entire global warming issue is a scam.

    Remember when we were gonna have holes in the Ozone? Well... I doubt anybody on /pol/ is old enough to remember that, actually.

    Same with before that, when we were going to have an ice age. That was back in the 1970s.

    Now it's global warming? If it's true, then why does all evidence point to the fact that there is no such thing, and the Earth is just going through it's usual cycles? That Icelandic volcano pumped out more CO2 in one eruption than all the CO2 made by humans in our entire history.

    Planet's not boiling right now, is it?

    It's a scam. When it's chief proponent still lives by the very same actions he derides the rest of humanity for, actions that 'contribute to global warming', you've gotta fucking question the validity of his message.

    Also, OP. It's Climate Change now.

    Global Warming was hard to sell when global temperatures were on a decline for the past 6 years.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:25 No.2810784
    Are humans causing it?

    One side says yes, one side says no, evidence suggests one side lied a bit to get their "science" to support their side, so the other side is suspicious of them.

    That's pretty much it.
    >> michaelscott !!ugnBoyz0Ga4 04/25/12(Wed)20:25 No.2810785
    well for one pretty much every respectable scientist says hat global warming is in fact man made (the fact that it is happening is not even debate worthy)

    now to fight it the governments raise taxes on harmful things, and raising taxes is always a bad thing (according to the people)

    but you see thats only a small part of the issue, the biggest losers in all this would be the oil companies, the top earning companies according to Forbes, so logically they will do anything they can to survive

    an interesting link:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial#Connections_to_the_tobacco_lobby
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:28 No.2810822
    The science: global warming is happening, it's not good, we have the power to fix it now without cutting back on our way of life.

    In answer to your question OP. I think "green" democrats are eager to use global warming as a platorm for their political views, I've noticed the trend of political activity from socialists whole heartedly embracing climate change over the past decade.

    Through green issues they can advance conservationism, management of economic growth (MUH EARTH RESOURCES) and continue a pervading sense of white guilt.

    That's my two cents anyway, can't speak for the republicans.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:29 No.2810834
    >>2810759

    And that's why I don't use the term climate change any more. It's still scientific fact, but it's too hard to prove to the uninitiated.

    What I do instead is point out the environmental damage caused by smog, oil spills, and the dangers with everything else. I still use climate change as an argument, but the more obvious example of what I oppose oil use is to avoid the inevitable side effects of spills and other pollution.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:29 No.2810842
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    >>2810759
    >Area of holes in the Ozone are getting wider ever since 1979
    >Still believing the global warming is a scam

    guys, it's already scientifically proven fact.
    >> michaelscott !!ugnBoyz0Ga4 04/25/12(Wed)20:30 No.2810859
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    considering the fact that oil companies are to lose millions i am extremely skeptic of anybody that denies global warming

    >>2810759
    whats the purpose of the scam though, who benefits?
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:31 No.2810878
    >>2810842
    ozone depletion != global warming
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:33 No.2810903
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    >>2810859
    planned by sekrit communists to corrupt our precious bodily fluids

    why?

    because reasons
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:33 No.2810907
    Didn't another major former climate alarmist just come out against the man made global warming crowds claims and science?
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:34 No.2810928
    >>2810859
    Depends on who you blame it on. If you blame it on oil companies:

    Green technologies.

    If you embrace it as natural for climate to change:

    No one.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:35 No.2810934
    >>2810907
    He said he still believed man-made warming was occurring but not as fast as the worst case scenarios he'd previously supported, & apologized for being alarmist.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:35 No.2810943
    Can people please stop weighing in their own opinions on whether or not the science is right or not. It is because there is not a single respected scientist against the idea. Just listen to the scientists, would you ignore the advice of your doctor?
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:36 No.2810956
    >>2810878
    >Anon suggests that we supposed to have a hole in the ozone, but we don't, thus the global warming is a hoax.
    >I just proved he was wrong on the ozone.

    I didn't say the evidences of global warming is only the ozone hole. It's a part of the overwhelming evidences.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:37 No.2810965
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    Climate change denial was made by companies just in time to stop any work on stoping it

    Republicans and oil going fuck us all it will be easy to prove in 30years by then it will be to late and your all going ask scientist to fix shit and the scientist are going be like we told you so it to late now.
    >> michaelscott !!ugnBoyz0Ga4 04/25/12(Wed)20:37 No.2810969
    >>2810928
    but you have to be retarded to think that green technologies have the power to put on such a big scam, oil companies have far more power and money at stake
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:38 No.2810982
    >>2810759

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion

    Educate yourself. We STILL have fucking holes in the ozone layer. It's gonna take years for it to recover.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:39 No.2810991
    >believing in man made climate change

    He He He yes goyim buy our carbon shekels!
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:39 No.2810994
    who cares anymore. it doesn't matter
    picking sides are for baby boomers. both are corrupt and made up of old rich assholes so whatever
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:40 No.2811009
    >>2810584

    Penn and Teller: Atheists. Don't believe in it.

    Bringing up religion is retarded. I don't believe 'it' since its now Global Climate 'change', the emails, the fear mongering and overt propaganda used to manipulate instead of educate.

    Had it not been an idea endorsed by celebrity, media, mindless zombies and such I might feel more inclined to listen. I went from a 'this sounds reasonable' in the late 90's to 'this is seriously bullshit' by 2007.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:42 No.2811045
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    The republican party gets large contributions from energy companies. The energy companies pay for "scientists" to question the validity of research done on global warming. The media likes issues that are two sided. Because global warming is two sided, they enjoy portraying the issue constantly, which makes it into a bigger issue than it needs to be.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:43 No.2811065
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    >>2810991
    >Implying Jews are controlling the majority of oil companies
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:44 No.2811076
    >>2811009
    >Penn and Teller: Atheists. Don't believe in it.

    Bringing up religion is retarded. I don't believe 'it' since its now Global Climate 'change', the emails, the fear mongering and overt propaganda used to manipulate instead of educate.

    Had it not been an idea endorsed by celebrity, media, mindless zombies and such I might feel more inclined to listen. I went from a 'this sounds reasonable' in the late 90's to 'this is seriously bullshit' by 2007.

    FFS WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS BASE THEIR OPINIONS ON THE MEDIA AND THEIR EMOTIONS THAN ON THE FUCKING EVIDENCE.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:44 No.2811077
    global warming = international socialism.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:44 No.2811088
    >>2810934
    second one in like a week, right?
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:46 No.2811117
    >>2810943
    >Politics- global warming caused by humans
    >science
    pick one
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-glo
    bal-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:46 No.2811120
    >>2810982

    >Finds growing hole in Ozone, assumes hole is new and is most definitely caused by hairspray made by evil corporations.

    Correlation does not imply causation. Growth means nothing. If a tsetse fly is born on a rainy day it will only believe in rain. You have a fleeting existence in the great cogs. This earth has killed 99.9% of everything ever to have graced its surface. It will kill you one day.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:46 No.2811126
    >>2811077
    I agree, it's socialism by the back door. They've also no interest in solutions to global warming that would mean we could continue our greedy capitalist lifestyle. There is total silence among the left about artificial trees.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:47 No.2811129
    Ex-republican Christian here.

    My thoughts.

    1.Man kind may CONTRIBUTE to global warm, but our impact is small compared to the big picture of why it's happening.

    2.Not enough facts.

    3. It cost way to much to fix it....more than that is needed to curtail.
    It would be far more benefiting to spend the money we use on global warming...on space.


    4.Hypocrisy and lies everywhere about it.
    Global cooling->Global Warming->Climate change.
    False data

    5.We would do more harm to the earth with all of the crazy ideas that we would use to fix it...

    Like using giant space mirrors.... to reflect sunlight....
    Which could fuck up the so called..."fragile Environment"...far worse than what global warming could.

    6. EPA is a joke. They restrict High MPG cars from entering the USA, over smog restrictions.
    Which is a joke, as high MPG would use far less fuel which would be good for the planet...
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:48 No.2811148
    Why are conservatives suspicious OP...well there's the gut reaction then there's the rational reasons.

    The gut reaction is from how incredibly convenient it is that some phenomenon comes along whose proponents claim that the only way to combat imminent world destruction is if we effectively give all economic and political power over to a cadre of far left global technocrats. And considering that a huge number of environmentalists are openly misanthropic we get this odd feeling giving them absolute power would be a Bad Thing.

    As to the rational reasons...well it turns out that the East Anglia Institute and a number of researchers at NOAA were fudging their numbers and coordinating smear campaigns against anyone that disagreed with them.

    Thus all that "science is settled" only was happening because of what turned out to be the next thing to a vast world wide conspiracy.

    Also the fact that the vast majority of temperature monitoring stations are located in or near cities, and it's been observed that temperatures within metro areas can be 10 degrees higher than surrounding rural areas. Cities have grown over the decades, what used to be rural or suburban temp stations are now in the middle of cities, apparent temperatures skyrocket. viola.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:49 No.2811157
    >>2810965

    GM supports Climate Change 'Science' moron. The biggest green company is a fucking defense contractor you dolt. You might have heard of them? GE.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:49 No.2811164
    OP here

    >>2811009

    I'm not saying religion has anything to do with denial or acceptance of climate change, I'm just saying in a specific, unrelated (to climate change) case, it's a serious factor.

    And to others, what do opponents of belief in climate change propose we do? Is it like, well since pollution doesn't cause this one bad thing it doesn't cause any, so just let it continue? It's not like if global warming isn't true spouting pollution and waste into the environment suddenly becomes okay.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:52 No.2811203
    >>2810759
    >Hurr durr guise where is the hole in the sky, which scientists warned us last 30 years? Global warming is scam!

    Eventually, debunked by scientific evidences. There is a hole in the ozone layer and it's growing.

    >>2811120
    >Hurr durr Correlation does not imply causation. Growth means nothing.

    Oh, now they are denying a fact that hole in the ozone layer is related to the man made global warming.

    stupid assholes.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:53 No.2811222
    Because the Feds and EPA can falsify global warming statistics in order to tax corporations they don't like. (I.E. ones that are aligned with their political opponents on either side.)

    It's about the degree to which actions that may or may not prevent global warming are necessary.

    /thread
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:53 No.2811230
    >>2811164

    You seem open minded. Maybe you're actually not a liberal. Maybe you can converse.

    I want an end to sewage in the water. I want clean rivers. I want cleaner forms of energy than nuclear (waste water is WAY worse than anything coal has). I want nuclear weapons dismantled and an end to radioactive testing. I want Gmod foods separated and listed in the grocery stores. I want lots of environmentally sound and restorative actions.

    Fixing a NON problem is fucking stupid.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:54 No.2811237
    >>2810969
    >to think green technologies can put on that scam

    No. Their proponents in world governments.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:56 No.2811279
    >>2811203

    Nope. I denied the evidence as showing causation. Show me causation. Or GTFO.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:57 No.2811294
    >>2811230
    >Fixing a NON problem is fucking stupid.
    IF global warming is true (which it is), it would quite literally be the biggest and costliest problem humanity has ever faced.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:58 No.2811305
    >>2811164

    Generally speaking the more advanced an economy becomes the cleaner it gets. When you think about it most pollution is unused byproducts from manufacturing, pure waste. As technology improves, margins get slimmer, and less pollution is produced.

    It's not like it's a good thing, but it's not about to end life on Earth either. I remember when I was a kid in science class we were shown films claiming that unless we changed our ways we'd run out of room because all the land would be taken up by landfills.

    Well I'm 30 now and I can still drive for 2 hours in any direction before I see a landfill way off the interstate. Doesn't even look like much of anything, just an unnaturally tall hill in a state that has no business having tall hills around.

    Also I work in a water testing lab which reports or the DOH and EPA, honestly their contaminant limits are bullshit, it's not based on monitoring and evaluation but just a random number they made up. And every few years they restrict it. Except they never take into account whether there's A.) Any REASON to reduce limits further. or B.) Whether it's even POSSIBLE to reduce it further.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)20:59 No.2811321
    >>2811294

    Hah ha, oh wow. If its the SUN causing the 'problem' (like it is on Mars) what can we 'do' about it bro? You are one religious mother fucker.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:03 No.2811385
    Politics and science should stay separate.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:04 No.2811406
    >>2811321
    What? Mars is frigidly cold and barely has an atmosphere. That's the first time I've seen Mars being brought into a climate change debate.

    And if air pollution is the problem, the obvious solution is to clean up the air. Obviously, preventative actions right now cost far far less than cleaning up the damage later on, especially since third-world countries will be affected first and some ecosystems could suffer irreversible damage.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:05 No.2811419
    >>2811385
    That'd be like taking nudity out of porn.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:05 No.2811424
    >global warming is only one effect of climate change.

    it's an outdated term, no one should use it
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:05 No.2811434
    >>2811385
    This. Politicians are professional liars and and if they said grass is green I'd have to double check. Science shouldn't be politicized.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:06 No.2811440
    It's probably because Republicans are generally fucking retards.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:07 No.2811458
    >>2811406

    Mars' temperature increased slightly on its global average numbskull. You talk about 'the whole picture' and deny that the Sun is part of the environment. The 'system' is more than the Earth.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:09 No.2811494
    >>2810584
    Couple of factors:

    Republicans typically cater to big business whereas democrats like big government (generally). That's why democrats have no problem with discussions like carbon taxes. This is anathema to Republicans, so they deny Global Warming.

    And secondly, Republicans tend to be anti-science. They hate and don't understand science and so they fall for shitty arguments against anthropogenic climate change when a consensus has already been reached and anyone who is reasonable can see that it is a real problem and we are contributing to it with our activities. Republicans have never displayed aptitude toward comprehending science. This is why they favor creationism in public schooling and why they do not accept evolution.

    Thirdly, Al Gore introduced climate change to the political world and since he's a Democrat, anything that comes out of his mouth must be considered wrong by Republicans.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:09 No.2811503
    >>2811434
    >>2811385
    Because climate change is a serious issue.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:09 No.2811505
    >>2811458
    well, there's really no debate in the science world that climate change has already happened (fun fact: effects were noticed around 40 years ago).

    politics are usually behind science, nothing to fret about.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:09 No.2811511
    >>2811385
    I don't know how you separate the two when we have to make our best decisions based on what the science shows.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:10 No.2811524
    do we have any BLM or air quality monitors in this thread?
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:10 No.2811527
    >>2811458
    >You talk about 'the whole picture' and deny that the Sun is part of the environment. The 'system' is more than the Earth.
    Are you just trolling me now? Have you ever heard the term "greenhouse gas"? Do you KNOW what a greenhouse IS?

    YES, I KNOW THAT THE SUN HEATS THE EARTH.

    And anyway you still haven't explained the Mars thing. How does that disprove global climate change?
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:11 No.2811542
    The global warming scare was a hoax to create a world financial system. It flopped.

    The only people who still believe in it a wackos who have turned it into a doomsday cult.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:11 No.2811544
    >>2811503
    I don't see how bringing in ideologues is going to help anything. They'll do nothing but tarnish the argument on both sides. Science and politics simply don't mix.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:11 No.2811550
    People say climate change because that is the effect of global warming. The climate changes. This doesnt mean everything gets warm uniformly, it means that the factors that drive weather are altered. This can even mean dips in temperature in areas.

    And of course the end result IS an ice age due to defoliation causing the earth to deflect heat that it currently absorbs.

    It is opposed in part due to arbitarily partisan politics and in part due to a concerted effort of various industry that fears the cost of regulations and such.
    >> Ash Crimson !!gAyq5lzi952 04/25/12(Wed)21:12 No.2811554
    >>2810584
    >issue of global warming.

    I'd love to know this too. But from what I understand, it's a combination of two things:

    1: gore is a democrat, so his theories are wrong by default.

    2: global warming implies that we had an ice age at one point, which is not in the bible and goes against the christian young earth theory.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:12 No.2811556
    >>2811494

    Idiot. I'm not a republican and I hate Repubs as much as Demmys.

    Always deflecting or moving the goal posts.

    Get your collective heads out of your asses.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:12 No.2811561
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    Big Oil is terrified of global warming because it will hurt fossil fuel profits. As always with the Right it's all about GREED.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:13 No.2811567
    >>2811550
    >muh nigga
    hi there, fellow env studies dude. frankly, you're not gonna get through to anyone who already doesn't think it's an issue, but i appreciate it.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:13 No.2811569
    >>2811440
    >It's probably because Republicans are generally fucking retards.

    What an eloquent and articulate point. You seem very well informed and intelligent.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:13 No.2811574
    >>2811542
    Because co2 totally doesnt trap deflected heat and elementary physics is wrong, you're a genuis to see through the plot...other people just arent in the know like you man, they're all sheeple.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:14 No.2811581
    mong many deceptions—too many to deal with here—one is particularly blatant. For more than a decade, the public has been bombarded by claims that the planet was not just warming but experiencing “accelerated”, “unequivocal,” “unprecedented” and “dangerous” warming. Yet the actual temperature record shows that during the past decade, on average, there has been little or no warming.

    Only recently, faced with a gap between the climate reality and alarmist theory that was too great to ignore, has official climate science begun to admit the facts to the public.

    And so, in June, the prestigious journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) published a peer-reviewed article that began: “Data for global surface temperature indicate little warming between 1998 and 2008. Furthermore, global surface temperature declines 0.2 °C between 2005 and 2008.”(3) (As we will see below, the cooling trend has continued past 2008 despite a warm, El Nino-influenced 2010.)

    Early in August, a press release from the British Meteorological Office admitted there had been no warming—the Met delicately called it “a pause in the warming”—in the upper 700 metres of the world’s oceans since, get this, 2003.(4) Yet, for the past eight years, the Met has warned the public about a dangerous heating up of the oceans.
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    >>2811561
    The big oil conspiracy is why I am a loser!
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:15 No.2811607
    >>2811581
    THAT IS NOT TRUE!!!!

    YOU ARE A SCIENCE HATING GLOBAL WARMING DENIER AND YOU WILL BURN FOR YOUR HERESY!!!
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:16 No.2811613
    >>2811581
    > Yet the actual temperature record shows that during the past decade, on average, there has been little or no warming.
    http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/indicators/global-temp-and-co2-1880-2009.gif

    >nope, try again

    if you care, i'll post graphs with a larger timeframe.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:16 No.2811619
    >>2811550

    This is what I mean right here. This is a definition which describes EVERYTHING as proof of the theory. It violates the principle of observation (everything proves my theory!).

    They don't take into account solar activity.
    They seem to think the Earth is a closed system when IT IS NOT.
    As an open system it is subject to chaotic patterns. Observation can only be conducted when a closed system under control can be observed. I would recommend stepping outside the bounds of the physical universe to find the first cause.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:17 No.2811632
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CZ-4gnNz0vc

    If I wanted America to fail, I'd vote for Obama.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:17 No.2811636
    The ocean is responsible for 90 times the about of Carbon Dioxide humans are. Methane from cows farting has a greater impact on the atmosphere than humans do.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:18 No.2811648
    >>2811636
    ah, CO2 level are the ONLY greehouse gas increasing in our atmosphere over the past century, correlating with an increase in avg temperature.

    methane!=problem.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:19 No.2811657
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    >>2811613
    Deal with it libfag
    >> Ash Crimson !!gAyq5lzi952 04/25/12(Wed)21:19 No.2811661
    >>2811632
    >If I wanted America to fail, I'd vote for Obama.

    Or for the guy who makes a living out of making businesses nosedive.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:20 No.2811689
    >>2811657
    first, you don't bring a stats test graph without explaining it.

    second, your ref frame is 2012-1998=14 years. 14 years. that's statistically insignificant considering the amount of time we're talking about when we say "dramatic increase in mean temperature."

    >try again
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:21 No.2811692
    >>2811657
    It seems that almost every point on those lines are above the 0 line...
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    >>2811657
    Decade ends with cooling trend liberal faggot
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:23 No.2811723
    >>2811694
    trololo, you think one decade suggests a global pattern!

    hahahahaha! everyone point and laugh at him!
    (16 or 17 of the past 20 years have been global record highs. global)
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:24 No.2811743
    >>2811632
    >I'd tell kids that their factories will cause an ice age
    >then I'd muster a straight face and tell the next generation that their factories are causing global warming
    >and when it's cold out I'd call it climate change

    Confirmed for not knowing jack diddly shit about science or the real theories about climate change. This video is fucking infuriating. It was like an attempt to throw out the highest number of fallacies in the shortest possible amount of time.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:26 No.2811761
    >>2811723
    You are clearly a teenager.

    The point is you have no evidence for your theory "THE EARTH IS HEATING UP AT RECORD LEVELS WAAAHH"

    read original post.

    It's actually not heating up at all.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:26 No.2811774
    1) Global warming.

    >Oops, not warming.

    2) Global Climate Change.

    > If the weather is unpredictable we win!

    3) Smear Deniers.

    > Say they are republicans who think the Earth is a hundred years old!

    Seriously, I don't call these people 'liberals.' I call them Environmentalist. They are far beyond bleeding heart liberalism. They are far beyond the outer limits of the human imagination for their anthropomorphic perspective.

    > The earth hurts!

    The Earth is going to make you extinct. Deal with it. Its killed everything else.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:27 No.2811794
    >>2811774
    >i'm a faggot
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:28 No.2811806
    >>2811774
    What the weather looks like on a certain day has nothing to do with climate change.

    Again, you seem to have done zero actual research on what the real theories are, how they work, how that relates to weather patterns and climate, etc.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:30 No.2811830
    >>2811774
    Bravo. These idiots will always try to spin it and change it to suit their needs. They say, "You haven't seen the facts!" But when you actually start to point out obvious things like you do, they just shout you down with insults as evidenced in this thread.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:30 No.2811833
    because MUH PICK UP TRUCK
    >> Ash Crimson !!gAyq5lzi952 04/25/12(Wed)21:30 No.2811836
    >>2811794
    you too?
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:31 No.2811845
    >>2811806

    No, you.

    Here's the problem, when I was younger I believed it. You are looking at the EARTH as a closed system. You first principle is wrong. Anything based off of it is wrong. All the information you analyze is subject to causative activity outside your area of observation. You seem to IGNORE that the solar system is an open system.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:32 No.2811862
    >>2811806
    That's funny because your fellow "Climate Change/Global Warming Enthusiasts" disagree. http://news.yahoo.com/already-very-record-breaking-hot-070315035.html

    You can't even keep your fucking "facts" straight amongst your own cabal.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:34 No.2811893
    Wtf are you talking about the issue of global warming is already being fix, by gioengineering, they spray aluminium into the atmosphere to block run rays, this has being going on for quite a while
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Hi_akvd6s
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:34 No.2811902
    seriously anyone who denies global warming should be sterilized. We need to clean our gene pool from that filth.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:35 No.2811916
    >>2811830
    >These idiots will always try to spin it and change it to suit their needs.
    Right, and cherry picking a decade's span of weather records isn't spinning anything?

    >>2811845
    >You are looking at the EARTH as a closed system.
    >You seem to IGNORE that the solar system is an open system.
    WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. Solar flares? Meteorites? Phases of the moon?
    The whole goddamn point of global warming is that the SUN is heating up the EARTH. What is he supposedly ignoring?

    Sorry for the caps, my jimmies are starting to get rustled.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:37 No.2811942
    Temperatures in NY are RAPIDLY INCREASING.

    It's much warmer than it was a mere SIX MONTHS AGO!!!

    BAN OIL!!!
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:37 No.2811952
    Climate Change hysterics are the same people that freak out and systemically try to purge every "invasive" species they find. I hate their fucking guts. They find out that 400 years ago the Spanish brought a number of species to the new world, since then they've expanded over 2 continents and have been integrated into the ecosystem for centuries. EPA official: "OMG!!!! Invasive Species are going to annihilate indigenous wildlife, we have to hunt down every last one and kill them as quickly as possible and DAMN the consequences or ethics of it!"

    Not every invasive species is the Bullfrog in Australia or Kudzu in the South.

    Ecologists in general seem unable or unwilling to admit the planet can and does change constantly and trying to preserve it in one state forever (which seems to be their goal) is beyond insanity.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:39 No.2811998
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    >>2811902
    >liberals.... "lets tone down the rhetoric"
    >you are a bunch of right wing crazies that scare me!

    >Liberals:kill everyone that does not believe in global warming
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:39 No.2812014
    >>2811845
    >when I was younger I believed it. You are looking at the EARTH as a closed system. You first principle is wrong. Anything based off of it is wrong. All the information you analyze is subject to causative activity outside your area of observation. You seem to IGNORE that the solar system is an open system.


    Full retard, never go full retard.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:39 No.2812015
    >>2811916

    Do you have a mental disorder? We aren't talking about Anthropogenic Climate Change? Are you retarded? Were you dropped? Did you live under telephone wires? My whole point is that you CAN'T fight the fucking SUN. There is no legislation, no tax and no goddamn hippie prayer to stop it. Loving trees and in general fagging it up for the earth will LOSE against big hot mister SUN.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:39 No.2812016
    >>2811952
    Congratulations, you contributed absolutely nothing to the debate! No counter-arguments, no facts, no problem!
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:41 No.2812044
    >>2811916
    I'm a historian. You know why I don't believe in global warming? Because fucking morons like you and the climate change alarmists have been screaming "the sky is falling" since the days of the Greeks. You have no real science to back up your claims and you blackball scientists who actually refute your claims. Sounds VERY similar to what happened in the inquisition.

    The Arctic ice cap has actually been growing. 30% alone from 2007 to 2008 (NASA Marshall Space Flight Center and the University of Illinois).

    Even all your precious alarmists are now coming out and saying they don't know what the fuck they are talking about: http://climatedepot.com/a/15621/Alert-Gaia-scientist-James-Lovelock-reverses-himself-I-was-alarmist-
    about-climate-change--so-was-Gore-The-problem-is-we-dont-know-what-the-climate-is-doing-We-thought-w
    e-knew-20-years-ago
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:42 No.2812051
    >>2812044
    >I'm a historian. You know why I don't believe in global warming? Because fucking morons like you and the climate change alarmists have been screaming "the sky is falling" since the days of the Greeks. You have no real science to back up your claims and you blackball scientists who actually refute your claims. Sounds VERY similar to what happened in the inquisition.
    >
    >The Arctic ice cap has actually been growing. 30% alone from 2007 to 2008 (NASA Marshall Space Flight Center and the University of Illinois).


    Full retard.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:43 No.2812078
    >>2812014
    >>2812051

    Oops, looks like you lost an argument on the internet!
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:45 No.2812104
    >>2812044
    >I'm a historian

    ahahahahahahahahaha.owowowwow ahahahahahahaha

    >You know why I don't believe in global >warming? Because fucking morons like you and >the climate change alarmists have been >screaming "the sky is falling" since the days of >the Greeks.

    HAHahahaHAhahahahaahahahah...wow...haHAhahhahaha i am dying of laughter... hashahahhhahahahaha wow keep on posting moron, this is comedy gold.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:45 No.2812115
    >>2812051
    Let me fix your post for you..

    >hurr durr i cant argue with facts hurr durr
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:45 No.2812120
    >Republicans are Christians so they don't accept evolution

    This is what morons actually believe.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:46 No.2812145
    >>2812104

    Yep, confirmed for being a butthurt environmentalist backed into a corner ideologically, scientifically and philosophically.

    I guess the mind conditioning hit a glitch and you reverted to primitive defense.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:47 No.2812154
    >>2812115
    >Let me fix your post for you..

    oh wait you are serious... hahahaahhHAhahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That is your argument. HAHAHAha
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:48 No.2812166
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    >>2812104
    >>2812104
    >>2812104
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:48 No.2812170
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    >>2812015
    Maybe you weren't talking about anthropogenic climate change, but the funny thing is, that's what the ENTIRE FUCKING DEBATE IS ABOUT. Climate change denial. Greenhouse gases. Cap and Trade.

    Or is the sun about to explode and no one told me?

    >>2812044
    You're cherry picking numbers and articles again.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:48 No.2812179
    >So the guy who's laughing like a manic mind control victim is who we should all aspire to be?
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:48 No.2812180
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    HEY GUISE WATSGOINON ITT
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:49 No.2812185
    >>2812145
    >Yep, confirmed for being a butthurt environmentalist backed into a corner ideologically, scientifically and philosophically.
    >

    Confirmed for being a butthurt fundy with no science just a simple primitive conservative mind.

    >I guess the mind conditioning hit a glitch and you reverted to primitive defense.

    Hahahaha it is you conservatives with the primitive brains. hahhaahah
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:49 No.2812202
    >>2812170

    ???

    Are you trolling?
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:51 No.2812242
    >>2810759
    >>2810759
    >>2810759
    >>2810759
    >>2810759

    THIS.

    It's a fucking political trick. They tried the same shit decades ago more than once.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:52 No.2812257
    >>2812242
    >>2810759

    Nice same fag, your argument is still shit.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:54 No.2812276
    >>2812242

    >science
    >scam

    What's the motivation, pray tell. To kill the oil companies... because... why exactly would they want to kill the oil companies if they're not a problem?
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:55 No.2812298
    >>2812185

    So me being irreligious and an Independent must not be true.

    I love how intensely butt raped you feel. I just want you to know that I would lick the tears off of your butthurt face and then hold you down and let it dribble into your butthurt mouth while you gag and cough from the lingering buttrape you just experienced.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:56 No.2812312
    It's actually very clear.

    The influential Oil industry bribed 5% of climate scientists to find for them, and the powerful bicycle industry bribed 95% of climate scientists to find for them.

    Damn you Schwinn... GOD DAMN YOU TO HELL!!
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:57 No.2812334
    >>2812202
    I feel we're talking about 2 different things now. Here, let me spell out my argument for you:
    1. The sun is producing about the same amount of energy it always has been. It is not roasting our planet or any other planet more than usual.
    2. Earth's temperature is rising.
    3. Pollution emitted by our industries is causing #2.

    Ergo, I'm a tree-hugging liberal hippy because I want some more regulation on what smog is being shat into our air.

    >>2812185
    Fuck it, I'm with you. Pass that shit, nigga.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:58 No.2812349
    >>2812044
    This is what Fundy Christian Conservatards actually believe!!

    Look at it! Point, look and laugh at it!!
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)21:59 No.2812377
    >>2812334

    No. The Sun's solar activity had an exponential increase in the last 50 years.

    Your 'facts' are full of fail. One Volcano puts out more 'pollution' then all the factories combined in the history of industry up til now.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)22:00 No.2812385
    >>2812312
    The powerful jew-owned BICYCLE industry...

    Sneaky Schlomo... oh so sneaky...
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)22:00 No.2812395
    >>2810584

    Liberals want to use "global warming" scare tactics as a method for punishing businesses via carbon-restricting laws, because liberals hate big successful businesses.

    Republicans see through this bullshit and call them on it.

    Simple as that.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)22:01 No.2812406
    >>2812377
    >No. The Sun's solar activity had an exponential increase in the last 50 years.
    >
    >Your 'facts' are full of fail. One Volcano puts out more 'pollution' then all the factories combined in the history of industry up til now.
    hahahaHAhaHAHAAHahhAHAhaHHhAHHAAHAHahhaahAHAHAHHAHAhahAHAHHAahHAHAah

    So global warming is real now? Except its not man made?

    HahahHHAHahAHAa
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)22:01 No.2812408
    >>2812377
    >One Volcano puts out more 'pollution' then all the factories combined in the history of industry up til now

    The scientific community would like a word with you outside.
    >> Ash Crimson !!gAyq5lzi952 04/25/12(Wed)22:02 No.2812420
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    >>2812349
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)22:02 No.2812432
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    >>2812377
    Yeah, okay. Sure.

    http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/archive/2007/07_02_15.html
    >Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually.
    >This seems like a huge amount of CO2, but a visit to the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC) website (http://cdiac.ornl.gov/) helps anyone armed with a handheld calculator and a high school chemistry text put the volcanic CO2 tally into perspective. Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value.
    >> Ash Crimson !!gAyq5lzi952 04/25/12(Wed)22:04 No.2812453
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    >>2812395
    >Liberals want to use "global warming" scare tactics as a method for punishing businesses via carbon-restricting laws

    Because success is directly measured in carbon, right? Don't make me laugh.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)22:04 No.2812461
    >>2812432
    For the record, I meant to copy/paste the URL of the graph WITHOUT the garish comic sans title at the top, but it's slightly larger than the other one I had so what-the-fuck-ever.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)22:06 No.2812487
    >>2812406

    No. Had you not been rapid firing your responses and assuming I was a right wing republican getting paid by big oil you would have noticed that I said MAN MADE global warming is bullshit. There was warming. The trend is over. It followed an increase in solar activity. Maybe you butthurt raped faggots can tell me why it was so much hotter in times like the Mesozoic and Jurassic without all this man made bullshit.

    Global warming (cooling for now) is natural. Go fight the tide or something else.

    And you're the manic laughter nut. Ever been drowned out by someone who had an obvious loss by the person who just laughs as loud as they can? Yep, you're that guy. Except on the internet it doesn't work quite as well.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)22:09 No.2812534
    >>2812432

    Learn to read. I didn't say they caused warming. Typical. if you can't put things into context then go to bed.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)22:09 No.2812538
    whoa, this thread is still going.

    http://www.ltrr.arizona.edu/webhome/aprilc/data/my%20stuff/MBH1999.pdf

    the chart on the second page shows avg hemisphere temperature from the past millenium. most temps are gotten from ice cores, which are highly accurate as basically time capsules.

    questions?
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)22:09 No.2812543
    >>2812487
    >No. Had you not been rapid firing your responses and assuming I was a right wing republican getting paid by big oil you would have noticed that I said MAN MADE global warming is bullshit. There was warming. The trend is over. It followed an increase in solar activity. Maybe you butthurt raped faggots can tell me why it was so much hotter in times like the Mesozoic and Jurassic without all this man made bullshit.
    >
    >Global warming (cooling for now) is natural. Go fight the tide or something else.
    >
    >And you're the manic laughter nut. Ever been drowned out by someone who had an obvious loss by the person who just laughs as loud as they can? Yep, you're that guy. Except on the internet it doesn't work quite as well.


    Look at me I'm the conservative underdog fighting the evil liberals with no evidence or science at all! It's real tho because my simple conservative brain computes it in a simple way for me! Nothing we say can cure your stupid.

    Sometimes I wish this was the soviet union and people like you would be sent to work camps.
    >> Anonymous 04/25/12(Wed)22:11 No.2812566
    >>2812543

    >Sometimes I wish this was the soviet union and people like you would be sent to work camps.

    Well, that did it for me. I was a fence sitter. Not anymore.


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