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    72 KB Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:31 No.2663900 sticky  
    Breivik trial general. Please keep it in here.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:32 No.2663905
    Why not keep it in the dozen other threads that were started before this one?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:32 No.2663907
    >liberals would love to kill everyone who disagrees with them
    >pissed when someone kills everyone who disagrees with him
    Stay jelly, libfags.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:33 No.2663915
    Breivik is a hero. He fights for freedom. He fights for all our sakes.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:33 No.2663916
    >>2663900
    Someone post live feed.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:33 No.2663922
    Europe is under an invasion.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:34 No.2663926
    >>2663907
    >liberals
    >killing
    nope.avi
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:34 No.2663927
    >>2663905
    They've been moderated just now.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:34 No.2663928
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    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:34 No.2663929
    Vaginas.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:34 No.2663930
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    > Hurr durr lets make it all into one thread
    > Conversation points get lost in sea of posts
    > Thread loads really slowly and usually fails to load at all
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:34 No.2663931
    Hey /pol/ mod, auto ban interracial spamming and muh dick threads. It's getting fucking ridiculous.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:34 No.2663932
    is it starting now?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:34 No.2663933
    The AUF leader hid and used the kids as a meatshield.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:35 No.2663941
    >>2663900
    Why does this warrant a sticky? Who gives a fuck about that faggot.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:35 No.2663942
    >>2663931
    They do but they change IPs. I think the mods deserve some credit.
    >> HurrMulticulturalismDurr !Akf2M7D8ME 04/17/12(Tue)08:35 No.2663944
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    Welp, moving over here then.

    Current topic in Breivik's questioning: the companies he started and worked at after dropping out of High School.

    Apparently, his ~15 000 hours of independent studies did no good in the job hunt because he had no formal education besides his two years of High School
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:35 No.2663949
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    you know who did it
    >> ODE TO EUROPE'S LATEST HERO Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:35 No.2663950
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    Well, Sara does her best just to keep the faith
    But ever since he left, its hard to find the strength
    She wipes a tear from her eye as she puts the groceries on the shelf
    Cause after dinner, baths and homework, there's no time for herself
    Two jobs, two kids, too tired to fight
    No money, no romance, no end in sight
    Just when she thinks she can't go on
    She sees a painting on the fridge that says 'I love you Mom'
    Oh, it's amazing how love changes everything

    Na na na na
    Na na na na
    Na na na na, na na na
    Love changes everything
    Na na na na
    Na na na na
    Na na na na, na na na

    It can change the world, it can change your mind
    It can change your tire in the middle of the night
    It can change your name, it can change your heart
    It can change your tune, it can change your life

    Love changes everything
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:35 No.2663951
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    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:35 No.2663952
    >>2663941
    You must not have been here for the past couple days.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:36 No.2663955
    >>2663941
    So we'll hate him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Templar knight.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:36 No.2663956
    >>2663949
    Holy fucking crap.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:36 No.2663964
    Personally. I want to fuck the brains out of my mom, I've walked in on her masturbating, her just walking around naked, etc. She has perfect tits and she always has a bald pussy, and I know how tight she is, I should now I came out the motherfucking thing. Thing is I'm worried it will screw up our relationship,thought about when I come into her walking around naked I do too. And I would obviously get a hard on, so if she bent over to get something I would just ram the shit out of her.
    >> REMOVE KEBAB FROM PREMISES 04/17/12(Tue)08:37 No.2663965
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    obligatory
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:37 No.2663967
    >>2663944

    Making fertiliser bombs isn't a useful life skill
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:38 No.2663971
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    >mfw you retards actually think this guy's a good person
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:38 No.2663972
    What's currently going on right now is that he is being asked about parts of his life, he's explaining how he set up different companies with varying, but most often poor, success.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:38 No.2663974
    >>2663971
    It's all a matter of opinion.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:38 No.2663975
    >>2663964

    That's a quote from breviks manifesto?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:38 No.2663977
    >>2663944
    link? why the fuck did the mod make it a sticky without posting a link.

    useless cunt.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:38 No.2663979
    >>2663971
    The national hero in my country is Ned Kelly.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:39 No.2663984
    >mfw he made a joke and people in the room laughed with him
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:40 No.2663989
    >As for girlfriends; I do get the occasional lead, or the occasional girl making a move, especially now a day as I’m fit like hell and feel great. But I’m trying to avoid relationships as it would only complicate my plans and it may jeopardize my operation. And I don’t feel comfortable manipulating girls any more into one night stands
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:40 No.2663999
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    >>2663984
    > and people in the room laughed with him

    my sides
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:41 No.2664001
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    One thing we can thank Breivik for though:

    He's responsible for the biggest terrorist attack in Europe. The fact that it's done by a right winger and not a Muslim will forever fuck with the promotion of xenophobic parties and stormfags alike.

    So, thank you Breivik. I hope you grow old in prison and depressed as you watch EU continually moving towards liberal social democratism and multiculturalism.


    Great sticky mods
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:41 No.2664003
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    >>2663971
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jester

    >One may conceptualize fools in two camps: those of the natural fool type and those of the licensed fool type. Whereas the natural fool was seen as innately nit-witted, moronic, or mad, the licensed fool was given leeway by permission of the court.

    >Jesters could also give bad news to the King that no-one else would dare deliver.
    >> HurrMulticulturalismDurr !Akf2M7D8ME 04/17/12(Tue)08:41 No.2664005
    Talking about the various companies he was involved with, he mentions a company where he sold fake diplomas and certificates. He called it morally bankrupt project, but that it wasn't illegal because they technically sold decorational diplomas.

    The reason he started it was that he had contact with militant nationalists, and didn't want to pay taxes to a multiculturalist regime
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:41 No.2664006
    >>2663967
    >Making fertiliser bombs isn't a useful life skill

    You won't be saying that come the zombie apocalypse.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:42 No.2664010
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    posting fanart.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:42 No.2664014
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    >individuals who choose to become a Justiciar Knight cares little about image (the pursuit to project a desirable façade to impress friends and potential mating partners). Sure, some people will think you are a freak for living with your parents at the age of 31 but this is irrelevant for a Justiciar Knight
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:42 No.2664015
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17737085#TWEET127505

    A judge that said Breivik deserved the death penalty has been replaced.

    Seems speaking your mind is banned in noway.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:43 No.2664021
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    >>2663931

    >Warning for reporting spam

    Very mature of you.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:43 No.2664022
    >>2663949

    is this picture even real?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:43 No.2664023
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    That feel when the media makes you look evil for fighting Multikulti scum
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:43 No.2664024
    >>2664015

    For a judge who has to stay neutral until verdict it is - retard
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:43 No.2664025
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    >> HurrMulticulturalismDurr !Akf2M7D8ME 04/17/12(Tue)08:44 No.2664028
    He continues, saying that when there was a threat of someone exposing his company to the press, he closed it.

    He intended to keep as much as the money he made away from multiculturalist tax collectors as possible. He looked into whitewashing.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:44 No.2664032
    >>2664022
    it is, download the movie or check it out on youtube.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:44 No.2664035
    >>2664001
    Meanwhile it did the reverse due to the number of muslims criminal in the concerned countries.
    We're not getting leftist.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:44 No.2664036
    >>2664015
    >Seems like making illegal, idiotic statements about a hearing in progress that you are overseeing is doing your job right.

    FTFY
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:44 No.2664038
    >>2663984
    Breivik is national hero. Breivik is comedian. People laugh with him.
    REMOVE KEBAB FROM NORWAY
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:45 No.2664039
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    Bend the knee before your one, true King.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:45 No.2664043
    Where's the link to the court stream?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:45 No.2664044
    >>2663984
    Oooo, link?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:45 No.2664046
    >>2664001
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings
    >700 injured
    This is not the biggest terrorist attack ever in Europe, but the Jewish media is making it out to be.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:45 No.2664048
    I made my first million at 24.

    liek a bawws
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:46 No.2664051
    >>2663999
    >>2663984
    what was the joke?
    >> HurrMulticulturalismDurr !Akf2M7D8ME 04/17/12(Tue)08:46 No.2664052
    He says he made his first million kroner at 24, and at 26, he had made four million kroner
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:46 No.2664053
    >>2664015
    Yeah because that doesn't show the judge's prejudice or anything stating a sentence on the second day of the trial before any evidence has really been heard.

    The judge should be removed from office for being so foolish.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:46 No.2664055
    >>2664039

    The King of the North. He protects his realm from the invasion of savages and wildlings.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:47 No.2664062
    >>2664046

    So injuries > deaths

    U dumb.

    Tell me. Do rightwing terrorist scum normally condone killing children in order to further your causes?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:47 No.2664063
    >>2664038

    But I love kebab :(
    >> HurrMulticulturalismDurr !Akf2M7D8ME 04/17/12(Tue)08:47 No.2664065
    >>2664051
    He used to run a company making fake diplomas, so when he was asked wether he ever considered making his 15 000 hours of independent studies formal, he replied with "Well, I could have made a diploma for myself if I wanted to"
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:47 No.2664066
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    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:48 No.2664070
    You're all missing the basic point of what's going on.

    BREIVIK IS A POLITICAL PRISONER

    NORWAY IS A DEMOCRACY

    THEREFORE, BREIVIK MUST BE FREED
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:48 No.2664073
    >>2663944

    I suspect that a Muslim immigrant high school dropout would have a much easier time finding a job than Breivik did
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:48 No.2664077
    >I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it’s one of the hottest games this year. I played MW1 as well but I didn’t really like it as I’m generally more the fantasy RPG kind of person – Dragon Age Origins etc .and not so much into first person shooters. I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I’ve still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations.

    Fucking CoD kiddie
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:48 No.2664079
    >>2664046

    >56 deaths
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:49 No.2664082
    >>2664051
    He was asked about education, and amongst other things, he had 15.000 hours of studies which were "unofficial" The bitch then asked if he wished to formalize his knowledge, he then replied: "well I could have made a diploma for myself" - this was funny because he had run a company that manufactured fake diplomas and such, for people.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:49 No.2664083
    >>2664065
    Nice.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:49 No.2664085
    >>2664070
    I think he did more than just criticise the government bro.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:49 No.2664090
    >>2664065
    Hahahahahaha
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:49 No.2664091
    >>2664062
    Average age was 18.
    They were not children, they were adults; as well as the sons and daughters of the Norwegian socialist political elite, the enablers of cultural-marxism.
    >> Turkfag !!JvQYC6fQ2S0 04/17/12(Tue)08:50 No.2664096
    >>2664063

    Don't worry, kebab is here to stay.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:50 No.2664100
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    >>2664052

    But wasn't he reported to the authorities for shady business practices and closed the supposedly profitable company?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:50 No.2664104
    >>2664091

    This week they are children. Next week they are toddlers.
    And so on till he'll be accused of forced abortions.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:51 No.2664106
    >>2664079
    >Entire buildings destroyed
    >700 people injured
    >Massive explosions
    That was far more significant and perfidious than a fag killing Marxists on an island.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:51 No.2664112
    >>2664096
    But not the turk serving them.
    >> A SONG FOR EUROPE'S HERO Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:52 No.2664117
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    High in the jagged cliffs rarely blooms the flower type,
    And the people's hero still preserves its stripe.
    A Queen of the Alps, it is his loving heart that pays price.
    Anders Breivik's favorite flower is the simple Edelweiss.
    Anders Breivik's favorite flower is the simple Edelweiss.

    Carry the plant to all the districts, continue planting and remove the dearth
    Carrying a piece of the Norwegian soul for the whole round earth.
    Proclaim it in hard work for the leader despite the price
    Anders Breivik's favorite flower is the simple Edelweiss.
    Anders Breivik's favorite flower is the simple Edelweiss.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:52 No.2664118
    >>2664063
    Make your own kebab you don't need turkshit muslims to do it. Anyway they use little white girls they have raped as the meat.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:52 No.2664120
    INFOPOST - ESKIL PEDERSEN, THE HEAD OF LABOUr YOUTH WHO ESCAPED

    The head of Labour youth, Eskil Pedersen, a 27 years old man, was on the island when he heard shots. Someone called him from the island ferry and he immediately ran there. He got aboard with his personal advisor, the captain and 2-3 others and took off.

    During the 30 minute flight from the island, Pedersen received several text messages from teenagers: "I'm being shot at". He texted them back: "Start swimming to the mainland!". All the while going full speed ahead.

    At the same time, people on the mainland when they heard the shots got in their wooden boats and set out to the island to see if they could help anyone.

    The captain of the boat has stated in an interview that he knew the ferry would resist bullets and he wanted to turn around to pick up the teens. "Someone" convinced him to carry on.

    Pedersen at this point has stated he wanted to avoid the PST (the Norwegian Secret Service) because he believed they were part of a coup against the left-wing government. This is a crazy thing to believe. No sane person who saw the bombing thought the Secret Service were part of a coup. Pedersen has never expanded on this.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:52 No.2664124
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    yesterday he questioned the legitimacy of the judge because shes close friends with some Muslim activist women.

    She got visibly upset
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:52 No.2664125
    >>2664104
    >Forced abortions
    >Implying that wouldn't be condoned and celebrated by the liberal media
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:52 No.2664126
    This is way past petty racism, this about our culture surviving.

    Support Breivik.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:52 No.2664127
    (part 2)
    Post Utoya, Pedersen has been promoted by the left-wing media speaking about the threat from the terrible "in-human" "attitudes" from right-wingers and saying that speaking a right-wing view is just like pulling the trigger on a child personally. When people call him out for his flight this is consistently deleted by the same left-wing media.

    It was recently revealed that another Utoya youth and AUF secretary, Adrian Pracon, wanted to write a book about the events. AUF had tried to stop him using shitty excuses like "when we employ him we decide how he spends his time and we decide he won't write a book" (even though he's off sick and is using his own time).

    It soon became clear why: Pracon writes in the book that he saw Pedersen leave and felt betrayed. Pracon has hence broken an almost one-year total censorship by left-wing journalists of criticism of Pedersen. The media was hence forced to run a single article on the flight a few days ago, but Pedersen is since then back into the limelight with no questions asked.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:53 No.2664131
    >>2664106
    Get with the time, common people are worth way less than sons of politicians.
    Those 700 were worth 9 politicians children at best.
    And even then not healthy ones.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:53 No.2664132
    >>2664120

    Dat sneaky jew.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:53 No.2664134
    Link to live stream please.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:53 No.2664135
    >>2664126
    And by "our" culture you mean your Norwegian culture yes?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:53 No.2664138
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    >>2664125
    >>2664125

    This is a good thing.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:54 No.2664141
    >>2663999
    >>2663984
    what was the joke? . .. . .
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:54 No.2664148
    >>2664091

    The average age of the victims of the dunblane massacre was 7 and a half.
    15 Five year olds
    1 Six year old
    1 forty five year old.
    Include the killer who suicided and the average is 9

    Brevik was killing 14 year olds, your stupid average bullshit is full jew.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:55 No.2664152
    >>2664127

    Eskil Pedersen was also openly gay (hence a perfect Labour idol for teenage youth) and his name autocompletes on Google to 'eskil pedersen feig' (meaning 'coward').
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:55 No.2664156
    Anders got arrested for our sins.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:56 No.2664158
    Since 9/11

    Anti Muslim Attacks - 1

    Deadly Muslim Attacks - 18742

    Blanket media coverage on the Anti Muslim Attack.

    He had a point, he just lost the argument when he started shooting children.

    We are better than this. We should not stoop to the level of blaming the children for the sins of the parents or the believes of the parents.

    If we want to protect European civilisation, we must still remain civilised. Otherwise what is the point.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:56 No.2664161
    >>2664135
    I mean Scandinavian culture.
    I'm Swedish and I fully realize the dangers of multiculturalism.

    You probably don't even know what is happening over here.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:56 No.2664163
    >>2664135
    Breivik fights for all European cultures.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:57 No.2664165
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    Guaranteed replies.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:57 No.2664167
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    >>2664106

    Breivik will forever be EUs number one terrorist

    Thank him for forever changing our notion that only muslims commit acts of terrorism

    >maybe he's actually an extreme undercover liberal
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:57 No.2664168
    >>2664091
    >Average age was 18.
    >Average

    That could mean some fell below this age.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:57 No.2664171
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    You're smalltime, brovik!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:57 No.2664173
    Madrid bombings 2004;
    >The explosions killed 191 people and wounded 1,800.

    This board should be renamed Politically Immature.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:57 No.2664174
    >>2664158
    We are beyond that point now. He made a tactical decision which he knew he'd get a lot of shit for, but he did it anyway.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:57 No.2664175
    >ITT: MODS prove state intervention makes things worse

    Before over9000 posts make everything lost, Breivik's support for israel:

    >Arabs around israel, despite having massive amounts of wealth, live in squalor
    >Israelis invented nation, went from 0 to developed nation in under 60 years.
    >arabs with israeli citizenship behave exactly like breivik says they do in his manifesto. (also muslims in india, lebanon etc but thats something else)
    >Israelis treats them like what they are: domestic terrorists, rather than excusing their bullshit because of political correctness

    TL;DR Breivik supports israel because they are a model of dealing with muslim supremacy properly, zionism has nothign to do with it
    >> A YOUTUBE VIDEO TO ACCOMPANY A SONG FOR EUROPE'S HERO Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:58 No.2664180
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJFhGPhxEGA

    High in the jagged cliffs rarely blooms the flower type,
    And the people's hero still preserves its stripe.
    A Queen of the Alps, it is his loving heart that pays price.
    Anders Breivik's favorite flower is the simple Edelweiss.
    Anders Breivik's favorite flower is the simple Edelweiss.

    Carry the plant to all the districts, continue planting and remove the dearth
    Carrying a piece of the Norwegian soul for the whole round earth.
    Proclaim it in hard work for the leader despite the price
    Anders Breivik's favorite flower is the simple Edelweiss.
    Anders Breivik's favorite flower is the simple Edelweiss.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:58 No.2664181
    >>2664001

    Your problem is that your utopian vision might not work out.

    Breivik has popped the bubble of left-wing hegemony, made left-wingers seem not invincible any more, and forced people to think about immigration. If everything develops according to its current path, and there's no obvious way out, we'll see left-wing politicians being killed and violence break out maybe 5-10 years earlier than it otherwise would have.

    Of course, maybe you're right. Maybe multiculturalism will work out. Let's see. Pay no attention to the gun pointed towards left-winger's heads in case it seems like it doesn't'.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:59 No.2664188
    >>2664148
    Not enough adults died for your word to be correct.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:59 No.2664189
    The gods visit the sins of the fathers upon the children.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:59 No.2664190
    >>2664175

    I KNOW BREIVIK IS JUST LIKE THOSE MUDSLIME DOGS. THIS WAS A CAVE OF THE PATRIARCHS MASSACRE ALL OVER AGAIN. OY GEVALT!!!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:59 No.2664191
    >>2664161
    Does anyone ever give a shit about Sweden?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:59 No.2664194
    >>2664120
    >>2664127
    This Pedersen guy is a true liberal hero. Cowardly and hypocritical, utilising a tragedy to push his agenda.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:59 No.2664200
    >>2664189
    So now a retarded mass murderer is "the gods"? Stop being so incredibly retarded.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:59 No.2664202
    >>2664052
    Please continue.
    >> AWAKENING Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:59 No.2664203
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J5XRl6RKk0
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:00 No.2664206
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    >>2664171

    Righ wingers = Jihadists

    Hahahahaha oh the irony.

    I would pay thousands to watch these two groups kill each other on an secluded island. Could be Utoya for all I care.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:00 No.2664207
    >>2664191
    Yes, why the fuck do you think everyone wants to live here?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:00 No.2664213
    >>2664194
    He is LOKI
    Breivik is THOR
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:01 No.2664216
    OK GUYS SERIOUS QUESTION HERE:

    I spent the last 10 minutes thinking about the advantages of diversity and about what the liberal media calls "Strength of Diversity".
    I came up with no solid answer. Searching google yields no straight answers, justifications or explanations. Only propaganda.
    So, what are the possible pros of diversity?
    I can't believe it's technology, since only the developed country have this multiculti thing.
    And I think it's awkward for two persons of different cultures to coexist, since they don't fully know each other's customs or habits.

    tl;dr What is good about multiculturalism?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:01 No.2664217
    Anyone have those clips comparing Obama's reactions after this and after Fort Hood?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:01 No.2664219
    SOMEONE LINK THE FUCKING STREAM TO THE COURT CASE FOR WHEN IT COMES ON. YOU GUYS ARE SUCH FUCKING FUCKS I HOPE YOU ALL GET FISTED THROUGH THE DICKLHOLE.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:01 No.2664222
    >>2664194

    That's the thing. The Labour party has always been about sacrificing people.

    Sacrificing rather than backing up Norwegian youths to the "integration" process (I've seen the results myself)

    Sacrificing rather than backing up people on Utoya.

    Sacrificing rather than backing up a Christian newspaper editor (our foreign minister claimed in the Danish Cartoon row that he was the only one who had printed them, when in reality, there were others).
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:02 No.2664225
    >>2664216
    We are under an invasion and the government is too greedy to close the borders.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:02 No.2664228
    >>2664001
    You fucking delusional liberal piece of shit. The 2004 Madrid train bombing killed about 191 people. I bet you'd love it if everybody forgot about that, but the truth is that socialism/liberalism is responsible for the biggest atrocities in recent history. You let the mudslimes in and now we have this multicultural war being fought. And now you'd like to pretend that "the right wing" is the biggest terrorist organization ever? Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. And fuck you.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:02 No.2664229
    >>2664216
    crime and civil war!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:02 No.2664233
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    >>2664181
    >Maybe multiculturalism will work out.

    do you even into history?

    on another note, it would only take a sort of kristallnacht to 'deport' all non whites from a country, since most minorities fight amongst each other in their tribal mindset instead of uniting, whites will have the upper hand because of a common threat and inherit brotherhood of whites.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:03 No.2664239
    >>2664207
    People like who?
    >White people

    oh, probably better off if they all do.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:03 No.2664240
    >>2664229

    Not when the state supports immigrants more than the natives.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:03 No.2664243
    >>2664216
    >google benefits of multiculturalism
    >see this:
    >Benefits of Multiculturalism
    >1. Increases immigration
    >2. New ideas
    >3. Enhances national unity
    >4. Boosts creativity
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:04 No.2664245
    >>2664233
    we use net guns lots of net guns. Then we put them in big boat and send them to Africa.

    REMOVE KEBAB FROM EUROPE!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:04 No.2664249
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    Just stoking in a picky
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:04 No.2664250
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    >>2664181

    I see that my post made you think and therefore upset since you're actually trying to have a civilized conversation.

    But it just looks like paranoid fear, when you try to construct meaningful sentences and that really is al it is.

    Controlled immigration will be the solution to EUs age crisis and multiculturalism a worldwide event.

    So you either get use to it, kill yourself, kill kids or stay in your basement and be angry

    What do you chose?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:04 No.2664254
    >>2664216
    It makes evolutionary sense.

    Wider selection of genes in the pool means you'll get better-adapted outcomes with fewer genetic weaknesses.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:04 No.2664255
    >>2664243
    >Enhances national unity

    By dividing cultures and communities?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:04 No.2664256
    >>2664219

    In the OP of the old threaD it was stated that there would be no video streams for the trial today.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:05 No.2664257
    What is good about multiculturalism?

    You get to eat foreign foods, other than that your country gets invaded by the uninvited, look how the native Americans welcomed multiculti..!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:05 No.2664258
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    >>2664243
    >>2664243
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:06 No.2664264
    Diversity == less white people
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:06 No.2664266
    >>2664256
    Oh, ok then.

    Disregard rage.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:06 No.2664268
    >>2664243

    >1. Increases immigration

    Right off the bat this is questionable.

    >2. New ideas

    Only from a select, elite few. Those scientists, engineers and doctors are welcome everywhere. Hardly what's currently happening.

    >3. Enhances national unity

    Only if it means that the natives start banding together to drive out excess immigrants.

    >4. Boosts creativity

    This is bullshit and you know it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:06 No.2664273
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    >>2664228

    It will never gain as much attention

    Breivik's is the biggest because it's the most noticeable event.

    He really sabotaged your project didn't he
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:06 No.2664275
    >>2664222
    I honestly find that worse than the actions of Breivik, at least he's honest about what he did and why he did it.

    >>2664243
    >Enhances national unity
    Oh Jesus Christ, that's hilarious. I suppose there's peer-reviewed scientific articles backing all of this, seeing as liberals are self-described rational and logical people. They wouldn't make assumptions based in emotion now, would they?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:07 No.2664280
    >>2664243
    is this a joke?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:08 No.2664290
    >>2664268
    >1. Increases immigration
    Immigration increases immigration! Wow insightful
    >2. New ideas
    The third world has nothing that we already have and we have ideas they don't
    >3. Enhances national unity
    No, more ethnics means more division
    >4. Boosts creativity
    Creative ways to avoid rape, stabbings and being called a racist.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:08 No.2664291
    >>2664275
    >They wouldn't make assumptions based in emotion now, would they?

    Because people like you don't?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:08 No.2664295
    >>2664254

    Yeah, that's why swedes and danes and other european people are consistently taller and more aesthetic pleasing compared to other people.
    We don't need genetic impurities by bringing more middle-eastern people here.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:08 No.2664296
    >>2664254
    Nope, mismatching genes are never a good idea.
    Anyway muslims breed like rabbit between themselves to steal the country. They don't really race mix like american black do.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:09 No.2664302
    mfw in some decades people will look back upon Breivik as a great hero
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:09 No.2664304
    >>2664291
    Of course I do, but I'll admit it. How about yourself?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:09 No.2664309
    >>2664233
    >do you even into history?

    I kind of agree, it really looks like it won't.

    In my view as well, out of all the options out there there are no good ones (again, fuck you to fucking hell left-wingers for implement a sick and almost irreversible policy with no clue about why except it made your rainbow colored dick hard).

    But mass deportation is probably the only option out of all the bad ones, when it comes to. That's going to carry with it a lot of fighting. Alternatively, just simply segregation.

    My feeling is that before taking this action there needs to be more evidence. It will "probably" not work out, but it's such an extreme approach that I need to see it "certainly won't" before I feel it's justified.

    I do respect that other people weigh it differently and act more urgently.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:09 No.2664310
    So with all this complaining about multiculturalism, what are you guys going to do about it exactly?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:09 No.2664314
    Hero for Europe, it's culture, and race

    Only a faggot would not see his views and keep the mudslime floodgates open
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:10 No.2664316
    >>2664304
    I don't see it as a problem, so there's no real need for it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:11 No.2664328
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    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:11 No.2664330
    There are over 50 million Muslims in Europe.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:12 No.2664337
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    >>2664039
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:13 No.2664344
    >>2664310

    I've tried doing my part with the very limited means I have at my disposal. My vote is the one thing I can play to maybe change some things. But it's one vote.
    Also I celebrate MY culture in MY country, so the customs and habits of my people will not be lost.
    I always try to keep myself informed.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:13 No.2664346
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    >>2664250
    >Controlled immigration will be the solution to EUs age crisis a

    Hello, faggot.

    Look up "ponzi scheme based welfare".

    You CANNOT solve the 'aging population' problem by ponzi based population growth.

    A STABLE population, or one shrinking so slowly that it would only be noticeable in 1000 years, is the BEST option. Even from an environmental perspective. Less consumpton, less pollution.

    Ponzi based population "problem solutions" have been universally rejected. Getting the birth rate down is seen as an objective. But just because the birth rate is 1.98 instead of 2 - have mass immigration that explodes population growth rate? No.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:13 No.2664347
    >>2664328
    I'd cry too if my government saw the conquest of my country as "enrichment".
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:13 No.2664349
    So what about white people who are muslims.
    Would you guys want to do away with them too?

    What if they don't want to dump their religion?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:13 No.2664350
    You should have acted.
    They're already here.
    The history books told of their return.
    Their defeat was merely delay
    Til the time after the EU opened,
    When the sons of Norway would spill their own blood.
    But no-one wanted to believe.
    Believe they even existed.
    And when the truth finally dawns:
    It dawns in fire.
    But,
    There's one they fear.
    In their tongue, he's Breivik:
    A HERO!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:14 No.2664356
    >>2664310Promote mass deportation of non white, 0% work immigration, increase the burden and limit the political immigration, promote white childbirth by pushing for a system where it's better for a female to not work in her fertile year (they'll be paid more after/formed for free) and if all this fail, ill suicide bomb in mecca to start a war.
    uso
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:14 No.2664359
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    >>2664337

    Motivation.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:14 No.2664364
    >Claims to be highly educated
    >"Well, i have used wikipedia mostly. The english articles are highly educative"
    >Can't even remember one educational book that he read
    Jesus... My respect for this guy is dropping by the minute. He really is turning out to be some angry basement dwelling nerd.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:15 No.2664374
    >>2664344
    So basically you do what everyone else have been doing, even without disgust for multiculturalism.

    Facinating.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:16 No.2664381
    >>2664349
    They are dead to me, traitor to their culture, they are akin to nazi cock sucker, no pride nor worth.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:16 No.2664382
    >>2664364
    He does know his history, though.
    Gotta give him that.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:17 No.2664389
    >>2664356
    How do you promote it, assuming you do it outside /pol/

    Do you hold meetings, rallies?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:17 No.2664390
    >>2664364
    I love to say I fucking told you lot so.

    On the 23rd of July 2011.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:17 No.2664396
    They are attempting to test his consistency, over and over to see if he slips.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:17 No.2664397
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    >>2664364

    No, no he is a hero, you must fight the muslims.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:18 No.2664407
    >>2664374

    Way to misread. My point is I celebrate the traditional stuff of my country, in my country. I keep it contained. Also I vote for people that have the same mindset and limit immigration.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:18 No.2664408
    >>2664364
    And i forgot:
    >Haven't even finished basic highschool
    You people sure this faggot isn't just another Herostratus using a sensitive issue that have strong emotions attached to elevate himself into fame?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:18 No.2664413
    >>2664381
    So this whole thing is only for a specific kind of white person.

    What specifications are those?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:18 No.2664415
    >>2664396
    Are they trying to prove he is a liberal?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:18 No.2664418
    >>2664389
    Far right party, I am reasonably good at making people rethink their position since I am calm and moderate.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:19 No.2664420
    >>2664310
    >So with all this complaining about multiculturalism, what are you guys going to do about it exactly?

    Different people will react in different ways. Breivik chose one way.

    To present a quote by Goebbels (although not being a stormfag or nazifag myself):

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    The lie is that multiculturalism works and is beneficial. The "shield" is sympathetic media people and government "reports". The political and economic consequences are what people see on a day by day basis and read between the lines.

    The question is just: When does the reality become so pressing that the lie and shield is defeated? I think it'll be some time. I think the demographics in most European capitals is heavily in the direction of total immigrant demographic domination. At that point we will get sectarianism, these capitals will be social hell holes, white people will refuse to accept it and resent the immigrants. This might happen and it may not, but I can't see what would stop it. The outcome may be deportation, may be civil war, may be segregation, may be Balkanisation.

    But I'll keep a weapon handy for any former left-wing politicians I see.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:19 No.2664427
    >>2664364
    Cut him some slack, English would have to be his second language.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:19 No.2664428
    ITS HAPPENING
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:21 No.2664441
    >>2664364
    He was only asked to mention a book name regarding economics. Not all books in general.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:21 No.2664447
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    I had this framed and hangs up on my wall in a place of great praise and attention.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:22 No.2664448
    >>2664407
    > I celebrate the traditional stuff of my country, in my country. I keep it contained. Also I vote for people that have the same mindset and limit immigration

    But there's a lot of people in different countries who celebrate their country's customs in their respective countries. And people vote in their interests all the time.

    I just don't see how this is furthering a narrative of your cause when it's basically doing the same thing that any normal citizen would do.

    The only thing I see that you have a problem with is just immigration. So let's say a person who's white comes from another country into your country and practices his country's customs as appose to your's, would that be a problem then?
    >> Oslo, 2012: The Rape Wave Continues Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:23 No.2664453
    The incidence of rape is still rising in Oslo. There has been more than a two-thirds increase during the first quarter of this year compared with the same period last year. During the previous five years, in all stranger-rapes in Oslo in which the assailant could be identified, the perpetrator was a Muslim immigrant.

    Yet the state of denial continues. In the article below there is not even a hint of acknowledgement that cultural enrichment may play a significant part in the number of women being raped in the capital of Norway. If the media are to be believed, there are two contributing factors to the increased incidence of rape:

    1. More women are reporting the crime to the authorities, and
    2. Jens and Thorbjørn don’t take “no” seriously when the object of their lust is a wee bit drunk.

    Seriously. That’s the best they can come up with.

    Many thanks to our Norwegian correspondent The Observer for this translation from yesterday’s Aftenposten:
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    Breivik is a good man pushed over the edge by a broken society.
    >> Increase of 69% in the first quarter: Enormous hike in reported rapes in Oslo Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:24 No.2664461
    >>2664453

    “These are very ugly numbers,” police inspector Hanne Kristin Rohde says.

    Last year the number of reported rapes in the capital rose by 30 percent. Since the beginning of the New Year it has only gotten worse.

    “Overall there has been a 69 percent increase in cases of reported and attempted rapes in the first quarter this year. That’s an increase of 27 cases compared with this period last year.”

    Alarming statistics

    Police Inspector Hanne Kristin Rohde is not happy with the stats she has received from the vice section of the Oslo police.

    “These are very ugly numbers,” she says.

    “Is this a real increase, or is it simply because more victims are willing to report rape?”

    “We don’t know. But bearing in mind the huge focus that we’ve had on this type of crime lately, we believe that the increase is a result of an increased willingness to report rape.”
    >> JitteryFidget(IU) !!9XEiIQWkjP6 04/17/12(Tue)09:24 No.2664466
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    Typical Breivik supporter...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:25 No.2664470
    >>2664420
    That's fine quoting someone and all.

    But what are you yourself doing about it, assuming you have a problem with multiculturalism.

    If you're going to quote someone and not have any action to act upon, the quote has no weight to.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:25 No.2664473
    >>2664441
    That's the thing. he couldn't name one at all. Hell, he could have said fucking Adam Smiths "The Wealth of Nations" and that would have been satistfactory, a lie or not. That shows he at least know one of the most important game changers in economic theories.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:25 No.2664475
    >>2664453

    An amazing shield from political consequences, isn't it?
    "Rape rates going up? THIS IS A GOOD THING! IT MEANS MORE PEOPLE REPORT RAPES!".
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:25 No.2664476
    >>2664448

    >I just don't see how this is furthering a narrative of your cause when it's basically doing the same thing that any normal citizen would do.

    I think his idea is that we are being force fed some traditions that do not belong in our countries.
    Midsummer's Eve receives less attention than the Ramadan. One culture is devouring the other.
    >> 76 cases in 91 days Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:25 No.2664477
    >>2664461

    During the first 91 days of 2012 the police in Oslo have received 76 reports of rape, compared with 45 at the same time last year. Included in these numbers are the much-publicized assault rape cases.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:26 No.2664480
    >>2664473
    I'm sure he can heal like a muhfuggen on his paladin though.
    >> JitteryFidget(IU) !!9XEiIQWkjP6 04/17/12(Tue)09:26 No.2664488
    >>2664475

    Or conversely... Breivik logic:

    >Rapes going up? TIME TO KILL WHITE TEENAGERS.
    >> Islam in Norway :Rape Epidemic in Oslo Norway, 100% of rapes in Oslo perpetrated by Immigrants. Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:27 No.2664490
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2SV_dIy8BM
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:27 No.2664503
    >>2664476
    How is that person being forced?
    What legislation has made government so intrusive in said person's private life where they have to be apart of another culture's customs?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:28 No.2664505
    Just one question: How exactly were Breivik affected by immigrations and all that jazz? Weren't he living home with his mother in some rural fuckwhere?

    Did he just one day decide that "Fuck it, urban immigrants in the cities must go!"? I mean, most of us get motivated after personally experiencing bad shit.

    I ask because i haven't exactly given this guy much thought.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:28 No.2664506
    >>2664470
    The actions should be clear from what I said. _My own_ actions are pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

    I will myself get a permission to carry a weapon and wait for the shit to hit the fan. If it doesn't, then hey! Great! I'll look back at this and consider it a big waste of time.

    If it does, in 10-20 years time or so, I'll at least be ready and know which type of people to visit (not of course mentioning any specific person). Then join in on my own side.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:28 No.2664507
    >>2664216
    You get some talented people from other nations if you carefully control the immigration. There is competition for these people, they'll just go elsewhere if they can't get into your nation.

    Not really an argument for multiculturalism, just for some immigration.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:29 No.2664520
    >>2664505
    He witnessed immigrant gangs rape norwegian girls and assault norwegian guys. When he was young.
    It was the same for me growing up in Australia. Muslim immigrants come in. Neighborhood goes to shit.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:30 No.2664524
    >>2664507

    As I said in the post you quoted. The elite are welcome everywhere, regardless of background. That justifies only a tiny percentage of all immigrations.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:30 No.2664525
    >>2664505

    No, he grew up with immigrants in an inner-city hood. He was tagging and shit.

    He was caught and snitched to the police. That made him a pariah in the immigrant hood.

    He's said that he regularly saw ethnic Norwegians being humiliated, harassed and repressed by immigrant gangs.

    He's probably not the only one, I've seen the consequences of a "bumpy road to integration" myself.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:30 No.2664528
    >>2664520
    Breivik... Had a hard life...
    He.. Was.. Ganked by some foreigner in WoW...
    >> JitteryFidget(IU) !!9XEiIQWkjP6 04/17/12(Tue)09:31 No.2664533
    >>2664528

    He was so persecuted. Excuse me while I weep.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:32 No.2664540
    >>2664506
    So you're being opportunistic about it, and believing in these convictions in a a half-assed sort of way (excuse the vernacular)?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:32 No.2664547
    >>2664520
    When I was traveling Scandinavia it was much the same. Generic north Africans and Arabs molesting Nordic girls in the street. They literally chase them grab them and molest them. In gangs.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:33 No.2664561
    >>2664528
    Pretty sure he played PvE only.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:33 No.2664562
    >>2664525
    Me too, except it's always some large black or arab guy stopping fights between drunk norwegians and eastern european summer workers about to tussle during a weekend on heimert and generally keeping the calm.

    But i also witnessed the stupid kids who dress up in oversized clothes and hangs out at the shopping mall thinking they are "Real Thug life"
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:34 No.2664567
    >>2664268
    >This is bullshit and you know it.

    The argument about increased creativity comes from a study which showed that the more different perspectives there are in a group the more likely it is to come up with a innovative idea.

    There are plenty of different perspectives in all cultures though... you don't necessarily need many cultures present.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:34 No.2664569
    >>2664547
    How come you didn't do anything about it?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:35 No.2664574
    >>2664569
    He was too busy fapping to his vivid imagination.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:35 No.2664575
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    >>2663926
    >liberals in charge of not killing millions of little babies every year
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:35 No.2664579
    >>2664569
    He was too busy telling /new/ about it with frothing between fap sessions on exhentai.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:36 No.2664584
    >>2664569
    They were in gangs. It was also done in public in broad day light. No one made a move to stop them. Its somehow acceptable up there for girls to be molested in the street.
    I just kept walking with my own gf under my arm.
    Most Scandinavian cities are like little African towns or Beruit.
    Scandinavian countries give asylum to a lot of human rights violators from 3rd world countries.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:37 No.2664592
    >>2664540
    >So you're being opportunistic about it, and believing in these convictions in a a half-assed sort of way (excuse the vernacular)?

    I'm being probabilistic and fatalistic about it.

    Point T0 in time. It looks like X might happen.

    If X happens, then I'll do Y, and consider it justified.

    If X doesn't happen, then I won't do Y.

    That's my personal attitude. Other people obviously work different ways. Some people feel X has already happened because it seems so inevitable. I feel it's getting there but want more evidence because Y is quite extreme.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:37 No.2664593
    >>2664567

    Only justified in an academic environment. The educated have always moved countries, regardless of background. However, this is not the case with this situation.

    Here we have a lot of uneducated folk that come to take advantage of better welfare and a more lenient police force.
    Not to mention a government that panders for them.

    Again, the elite are welcome in any country.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:37 No.2664596
    >>2664584
    So you didn't even bother calling the police?
    How do you know it's acceptable to rape someone?
    What legislation in that country's government makes it ok to do that?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:38 No.2664608
    >>2664584
    So you didn't do it because nobody else were, and you were scared..

    How about being a symbol of change, and be the first to throw the rock at the gangs? You wouldn't want to let this continue, would you? That means you must make sacrifices for the good of all.

    If you're not up to it, you are worthless like the ones who just watched.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:39 No.2664616
    >>2664503
    Media owned by the same pool of elite multiculturalism. Multi culturalism is the best way to widen the wage gap between poor and rich.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:39 No.2664617
    >>2664584
    I would love to hear which scandinavian cities you experience african/arab rape gangs roaming the streets.

    I live in Norways second biggest city, and the only trouble here is people too fucking drunk during the weekends fighting in queues for taxi, and alcoholics/junkies committing some random drug related violence/stealing some shit.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:39 No.2664621
    >>2664584
    > By-standard effect

    Pussy.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:39 No.2664624
    >>2664596
    Shut up its not my fault these things happen criticise the immigrants not the person relaying the information.
    Scandinavian tourism is going to suck if they don't put more police on the beat at night. Two cops isn't enough to deal with hundreds of Africans walking around grabbing drunk girls walking out of clubs.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:40 No.2664639
    >>2664617
    You are a liar. I've been to your cities. I've seen it for myself. AUF Supporting shit bag.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:41 No.2664644
    >>2664616
    That didn't answer my question.
    What legislation makes it so that a person in that country has to take part in another person's culture against his will?

    Give me a law that states that you have to do this.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:41 No.2664646
    >>2664617
    As a Norwegian myself, I also feel the description was pretty exaggerated.

    But hey, the proportion of immigrants in Oslo is still like - what - 30%?

    Too much analysis is based on different scenarios when immigrants or their children are 30% of the Oslo population. Too little try to predict what will happen when it's 50% of 70%.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:42 No.2664651
    >>2664624

    By not calling the police you were commiting a crime. So he has every right to criticize you.

    Unless you are making everything up, which you are, so carry on.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:42 No.2664653
    >>2664608
    >If you're not up to it, you are worthless like the ones who just watched.
    No he isn't he didn't introduce the problem even if he didn't do anything to stop it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:42 No.2664660
    >>2664644

    The government doesn't directly enforce this.
    But the media does.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:43 No.2664663
    /pol/ - Pompous Incorrect
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:43 No.2664664
    >>2664616
    >Multi culturalism is the best way to widen the wage gap between poor and rich.

    I can sympathise quite a bit with this view. Economic migrants is something that really benefits firms (lower wages paid and bigger customer base), just not the average person who already lives there.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:44 No.2664672
    >>2664624
    So because it happens all the time, you feel it's ok to not do anything about it?

    Doing nothing about it just as bad, especially if you're a witness to a crime; unless there's a law that you can tell me where it's ok to rape someone in that country.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:45 No.2664681
    >>2664660
    The media doesn't make legislation. Basically from what I'm understanding, you're being manipulated by a media who has no real power on how you conduct your private life.

    That's pretty pathetic dude.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:45 No.2664683
    >>2664617
    Trondheim here, pretty much the same thing. Rowdy trøndere picking fights with anyone while drunk on karsk is the biggest problem there is.

    That said, i despise the eastern european beggars who comes here and act agressive cunts if you don't give them money, and don't get me started on polish/welsh summer immigrants.

    Though i do believe kurds have rule in the robbery crime rate due pirate taxies extorting more money from drunks etc. That said, rape does happen about 1-2 a month. Dunno if they are immigrants or not, Adressa tries to avoid naming ethicity because it caused agression towards romanians (who actually lived here and not were begging scum) some years back.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:46 No.2664694
    >>2664683
    Got some romanian beggars here in Bergen too, best way to deal with them is the way you'd deal with a dog that won't stop barking.

    Refuse to acknowledge their existance.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:46 No.2664701
    >>2664660

    >AHH THE MEDIA IS CONTROLLING MY MIND! IF I DONT STOP THEM SOON I TOO WILL BE CELEBRATING RAMADAN!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:48 No.2664716
    >>2664672
    >Doing nothing about it just as bad, especially if you're a witness to a crime;

    On the other hand -

    Bob magically creates the Detroit black ghetto.

    John is unhappy about the Detroit black ghetto.

    David: "LOL JOHN YOU WEAK ASS PUSSY YOU ARE JUST AS BAD WHY DON'T YOU DO ANYTHING TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION INSTEAD OF COMPLAIN ABOUT IT"

    Some possible actions are in practice closed to you. Trying to "fix" an entire city and make yourself a target is hard.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:48 No.2664719
    >>2664653
    Yeah, if your friend rapes a chick in front of you, you are completely innocent for just standing there because hey, YOU didn't do it!

    Of course, that still makes others guilty for standing around, as you so cleverly put it
    >Shut up its not my fault these things happen
    Yet critizise nobody for interfering.
    >No one made a move to stop them. Its somehow acceptable up there for girls to be molested in the street.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:48 No.2664722
    >>2664694

    Romanian here. Please stop confusing gypsies with actual romanians.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:48 No.2664723
    >>2664660
    Ok, so what law did the government make that the media enforces, that forces you to be apart of that culture?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:48 No.2664726
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    >>2664664
    We live in a Reagan wet dream where the largest export of the west is consumerism and the largest import is more consumers and cheaper workers.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:49 No.2664733
    >>2664722
    I know they're romani, they're still from Romania.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:49 No.2664737
    >>2664701

    Democracy requires knowledge of the situation.

    As described here:

    >>2664683

    The media does not mention ethnicity.

    The media is shielding the lie that immigration is a bad thing from the natural political and economic consequences of it, i.e. that people become more hostile to immigrants.

    How long can the media keep up the shield and distort reality in such a way that democracy fails?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:49 No.2664739
    >Live in small swedish town
    >Never seen an immigrant behaving badly, literally
    >All immigrants seem to be productive members of society

    I realize it is different in the bigger cities, so clearly they are doing something wrong. Is sure as hell wouldn't want any change to affect our immigrants, that would surely drive the price of pizza way up.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:50 No.2664742
    >>2664653
    So he pretty much thought, "Well, since the action was in progress already, that makes the act ok."
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:50 No.2664748
    >>2664733

    And that pisses romanians to no end. The old communist regime here knew what's up. They rounded up all gypsies and sent them on their way.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:50 No.2664751
    I'll tell people who are not Nordic why their is such a distorted view being spoken by actual Nordics. Nordics have this thing where they won't acknowledge the existance of something that offends them or is not normal.
    For instance in the street I witnessed men in ladies underwear roller blading through the street.
    When I asked people if they saw that. They would say "saw what?"

    Its the same with immigrants.
    When you step off the bus into most Scandi cities you are greeted with a wall of Africans or Arabs sometimes both.

    Nordics completely block out this fact from their minds that they are in a sea of blacks.
    Thats why you hear them concentrating on Romanians (gypsies , romanians aren't gypsies, gypsies are gypsies but you think its ok to tar Romanians as gypsies because they are European its like bad mouthing the French)
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:51 No.2664760
    >>2664719
    It wasn't me.
    >you are completely innocent for just standing there because hey, YOU didn't do it
    No it's basically as if YOU had raped her, except it's even worse. Clearly you should be put in jail
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:51 No.2664761
    >>2664739
    Because they are a small minority they are forced to live on your terms, and their subconscious norms and behaviour will be adapted to you.

    Throw 1000 together with limited outside world contact and things turn more ugly.

    "Derp but why don't we then spread immigrants out all over countries?"

    Yeah, let's get the Prime Minister to send his own daughter to integrate them. All left-wingers move far away from immigrant dominated towns.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:51 No.2664762
    Breivik now babbling about some people he believed were muslims beating his ass as a teenagers and breaking his nose.

    Some plastic surgeon apparently fixed the nose when he was 20.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:51 No.2664763
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    everybody needs to support!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:52 No.2664770
    >>2664722
    Don't worry, i know proper Romanians differ from these criminal leeches. As i said, violence turned to romanians studying/working because of some pretty critical articles on how the gypsy beggars were, lived and acted like. The romanians were innocent victims of hate crime intended on these beggars.

    Once, i even had a gypsy enter the office wardrobe trying to steal clothes, and when chased outside, she had the audacity to spit and sneer as if WE were the ones insulting HER.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:52 No.2664771
    >>2664742
    Where did he state that it's ok?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:54 No.2664781
    lololol, here we go.

    Serbian war was the straw that broke the camels back and was the start of the Knights Templar network!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:54 No.2664784
    >>2664760
    Or, both the offender and the cunt who just stood there. How about that? Not participating in something you could hinder, or at least try to stop makes you either scum, or a disgusting coward.

    Bet you would say that giving first aid to some wounded person isn't none of your business because you weren't the cause.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:56 No.2664798
    >>2664771
    Do you really have to state it?

    By action alone of not reporting the crime, you're condoning what's happening and not making any attempt to stop it.

    Of course this is assuming that rape is considered a crime in that country.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:56 No.2664799
    >>2664770

    They have segregated themselves here. The police are always on the beat looking for gypsy beggars and the like. The result is that they segregated themselves.
    In my county there's this village called Barbulesti. Google some images and you'll see what I'm talking about.

    Also most Romanian students want to leave for academic or work reasons to western countries, but don't leave until they finished college (almost always medical sciences or some form of engineering).

    Are there Romanian doctors in your country? Just curious.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:56 No.2664802
    >>2664722
    Well, the Norwegian media decided that the word "Gypsy" created too many negative feelings and since they wanted people to have positive feelings they now use "Roma".

    I think they've changed it back after nobody really got what "5 Roma were on the street last night" was supposed to mean.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:56 No.2664806
    >>2664784
    >Not participating in something you could hinder, or at least try to stop makes you either scum, or a disgusting coward.
    Yeah, he should just throw himself at a group of aggressive immigrants, that's the best solution.
    >Bet you would say that giving first aid to some wounded person isn't none of your business because you weren't the cause.
    It certainly isn't my duty, although I would certainly not refine myself from helping in this situation.
    The point is I shouldn't have to.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:58 No.2664813
    >>2664806
    So basically you wouldn't help in a situation that would help someone else?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:58 No.2664824
    >>2664813
    Where did I say that?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)09:58 No.2664825
    I believe we'll see a race war in our life time, the destructive ideology of multiculturalism is unsustainable. Not for us or for any other culture. And who caused it? The liberals? They could have just stfu and NOT been hip little flower shildren everyone get along 'open-minded' faggots.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:00 No.2664839
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    >>2664802
    >negative feelings

    Whose feelings?

    The gypsies' ??
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:00 No.2664849
    >>2664806

    >It certainly isn't my duty, although I would certainly not refine myself from helping in this situation.
    The point is I shouldn't have to.

    >The point is I shouldn't have to

    Basically you're saying that you shouldn't have to do anything, meaning if given the choice, you have a possibility of not helping a person if they're in trouble
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:01 No.2664854
    >>2664806
    This guy man.. He really says that since nobody up there does anything about it, they should be ashamed because apparently that means it's okay to them. But then he proceed to refuse to act himself because it's none of his business.

    >I shouldn't have to.
    I hope one day you lie there with stroke, and gazes on a bunch of people shrugging and saying they don't feel like it's their duty to help. I hope you will realize that moment, what a proper cunt you sounded like.
    >> Ruby !!iPJbBu5S79g 04/17/12(Tue)10:01 No.2664855
    >Man commits 77 counts of murder
    >Man admits he killed all 77 people he is guilty of murdering
    >Evidence exists to prove he murdered all 77 people
    >/pol/ thinks he should be set free

    No, but really, fuck you. His reason for murder is irrelevant. If it wasn't in self defense, murder is murder regardless of motive.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:02 No.2664865
    Well, it's clear that Anders learned from his tenure in Fpu/Frp.

    Just like a politician, he deflects any and all direct questions.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:02 No.2664870
    >>2664855
    cry moar hippie
    >> JitteryFidget(IU) !!9XEiIQWkjP6 04/17/12(Tue)10:02 No.2664877
    >>2664870

    Great response, friend.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:03 No.2664879
    >>2664839
    Caused indue tension towards real romanians because apparently people are fucking clueless and don't think for themselves. And fueled by anger thanks to news whilst drunk, they assume All Romanians = Gypsies, and all Gypsies = Romanians and thus some exhange students were beaten up and generally had their lives turn to shit despite being the cream of the romanian crop.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:03 No.2664880
    >>2664855
    He should be set free from a moral perspective, but not a legal perspective, I guess.

    Or morally, maybe he should be in prison, but it should be a prison without walls and people should come and pay him his respects.

    From a moral perspective we can wish.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:03 No.2664886
    >>2664849
    >meaning if given the choice, you have a possibility of not helping a person if they're in trouble
    Yes. Never said I wouldn't help. But the choice should be mine.
    >But then he proceed to refuse to act himself because it's none of his business.
    It wasn't me.
    >I hope one day you lie there with stroke, and gazes on a bunch of people shrugging and saying they don't feel like it's their duty to help.
    What a good willed person you are.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:04 No.2664894
    >>2664855
    >If it wasn't in self defense
    >oh boy here we go again
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:05 No.2664902
    >>2664879

    Yes, because of those exact situation I chalked France of my visiting itinerary.
    I don't plan on setting in another country myself, just for a couple of years, see how things are handled somewhere else.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:05 No.2664905
    >>2664886
    Indeed, i'm just like breivik. Good intentions despite wishing harm so that you can actually "feel" your poor choice of words about nobody should be forced to act when about helping someone.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:07 No.2664918
    >>2664879

    That's a rather... all-encompassing way of managing what's being said in the media though.

    If we say X then a few people don't get what it really means and react badly? Well, let's not say it then.

    If they say Gypsys, and some people associate this with a Romanian student they meet at a party, then they should simply be punished for any criminal act. You'd struggle to convince me that the entire Trondheim is so full of retards that life would become completely unbearable for Romanians.

    And is this rule universally applied? I mean, let's say a white racist attacks an immigrant family - should the media not report this because it causes the negative effects of increasing negative attitudes to people labelled as racist?

    No, the media needs to report, and "what happens, happens". When you're stepping away from that you're into active propaganda management.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:07 No.2664924
    I'm norwegian, sitting here with my father following the trial. Father is libfag, wat do?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:08 No.2664932
    >>2664924
    Kill yourself.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:08 No.2664935
    >>2664886
    >Yes. Never said I wouldn't help. But the choice should be mine.

    That's what I'm saying, basically you wouldn't help a person if you didn't want to, but you see how in certain legal proceedings that wouldn't fly right?

    >It wasn't me
    If you're a witness to a crime and didn't report on it, you can/will be held liable.

    >What a good willed person you are
    Why thank you.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:08 No.2664936
    >>2664910
    >That's what I'm saying, basically you wouldn't help a person if you didn't want to
    If I didn't want to then sure, but I'm not an asshole like that.
    >but you see how in certain legal proceedings that wouldn't fly right?
    Of course, but that's not what I'm talking about.
    >>2664924
    Ask him to let some muslims live in your house. Also provide them with food and money and let them do whatever they wish.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:09 No.2664941
    >>2664880

    Why do you consider it moral to kill people for having different political beliefs? Would it be moral if I killed you for the same reason?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:10 No.2664953
    The people he killed was homosexuals, feminists,foreigners, and aspiring extremely left-leaning liberals, that would continue to pollute and poison my country, and you ask me if this was a loss? If anything it may have spared Norway for many shitty future politicians.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:11 No.2664955
    >>2664886
    To the people saying I refused to help. It was a dangerous situation there were African gangs everywhere. My number one priority was to get out of the city with my gf in the worst case which was at night.

    In a day light molestation. I was not the sole witness. There were hundreds of people who wintessed it. No one did anything because its the Nordic way to mind their own business and it was a gang. I can tell you behind closed doors they talk about it , they plan their lives around it.

    They hopefully get caught my gfs parents are cops up there and they say most of the prosecutions are immigrants murdering or raping people.

    Fuck you those who say it is my fault I was a tourist not a fucking citizen.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:11 No.2664958
    >>2664941
    Of course not, because he's right, and you're wrong.

    Welcome to extremist rhetoric 101.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:12 No.2664963
    >>2664953
    You are gonna have a shitty day next election when AP has record votes.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:13 No.2664969
    >>2664941

    Yawn. The same, boring, tedious rhetorical tricks.

    Specifically, the trick you do is to up-generalize a specific situation (the particular left-wing youth politicians being killed for a particular reason) into an extremely general situation ("killing someone for having a view").

    Why do you do this? The good old Kantian Categorical Imperative. If you formulate it like the first instance, then people MIGHT agree with me. But if you formulate it like you did in the second instance, then people will be find it impossible to agree with me.

    So basically you are playing on people applying the Categorical Imperative by situational replacement through unwarrented up-generalisation.

    I consider myself blessed to have the cognitive ability to recognise the one billion and one rhetorical tricks of crazy left-wingers, but it also means that I have to recognise that you're all shit.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:13 No.2664974
    >>2664953
    The people he killed, you subhuman scum, were Norwegian children. Kill yourself and spare me the pain of tracking you down.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:13 No.2664982
    >>2664918
    >Trondheim
    What, you haven't heard of the famous mustachioed short tempered trønder?

    That said, it was 2-3 students only (not exactly many who comes to little Norway to study, of all places they can choose), attacked only once by some drunken faggots who probably have a criminal record and were hopped up on more than just alcohol.

    The issue with language is that almost every word is free to it's own interpretation, hell, people have difference experience with different words. Which is why communication can be misunderstood between even two friends.

    So when i said
    >some exhange students
    You apparently felt i came of saying
    >Many students who's life were ruined for good.

    Language still is so limiting and open for confusion and undue misunderstanding, assumption and extaggeration.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:15 No.2664988
    >>2664936
    Oh but you should be talking about it.
    This is because by not doing anything about it, you're setting a precedent that it's ok for rape to happen to women (or men) of a country by people coming in as a by product of multiculturalism; that said country's laws have no foundation in people who immigrate to said country.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:15 No.2664990
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    Meanwhile in Sweden...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:16 No.2664997
    >>2664974
    That's wrong. And it doesn't change what I said. Those "children" were old enough to hold such views, thus can be held accountable for it. It is also true that the "children" always pays for the parents sins, so the parents should feel guilty as fuck for sending their kids there.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:16 No.2664999
    >>2664955
    When i was in Japan, i gave up my seat to elderly citizens. That surely gave them a good impression of white people.

    Good thing you ran like a coward instead of calling the cops (you did read about the basic stuff like that, right?). I'm sure everyone thought you were amazing and heroic. Especially now on the internet when you tell your side of this traumatic event.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:17 No.2665009
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    >>2664990
    She took the first piece from the penis
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:19 No.2665020
    >>2664936
    we have a fucking palestinian living in our basement apartment. kicking him out so i can live there next week, feelsgoodman.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:19 No.2665023
    >>2664999
    >When i was in Japan, i gave up my seat to elderly citizens

    You are brave anon. Very brave.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:19 No.2665025
    >>2664955
    >Fuck you those who say it is my fault I was a tourist not a fucking citizen.
    Such a common mentality amongs the scum that goes to Cyprus, Egypt, Spain etc JUST to act like major assholes constantly drunk and "having fun" being the most obnoxious little shits ever bothering every single local citizen.

    Guess tourists are excused from saving lives in any way, from telling someone, to acting, to calling cops. Amirite?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:20 No.2665026
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    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:22 No.2665044
    >>2664982

    Aha! Yes, I was kind of imagining some kind of mass anti-Romanian gangs roaming the streets every night.

    But the problem with the attitude of the newspapers in my view is... let's call the attitude "extreme sensitivity". It's like if there is any remote way a reasonable action can lead to an unwarranted bad outcome, it must not be taken.

    How about the newspaper having an interview with someone who enjoys driving cars? WHOA WHOA! This causes more people to drive, more CO2, more traffic deaths!

    Ultimately, because basically everything can lead to everything (banana skin throwing leads to broken hips = banned bananas) it becomes completely arbitrary and emotionally bipolar exactly what you ban and allow.

    I'd consider it likely that Trondheim media people just felt this was a good excuse to limit a source of information that could lead to opposition to immigration though.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:22 No.2665047
    >>2665023
    My point is, no matter where you are, even if nobody else does it, you can still do it.

    But hey, You were so swared by swary big bwack men, even calling the cops were "too dangerous" for you. Why did you even travel? Don't you know it's weeevy dangewous world out there anon?

    I weren't there. But even i would have the fucking balls to walk behind a corner and give the cops a call, or, lacking phone, enter the first store and ask for a phone. Maybe even hang around so i could describe the offenders to the cops.

    But that's asking too much from a tourist, no? You're just there to party in a bubble enviroment, aren't you?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:23 No.2665050
    I don't see why he didn't create a convincing false identity as a muslim convert, and kill a lot of white swedes. That would actually have some effect in creating hostility towards muslims.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:24 No.2665058
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    >Breivik's comments have ranged from vehement criticisms of liberalism and multi-culturalism to claims that he "supports the model in South Korea and Japan".

    weeeeeaaabbbbboooooooooooo
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:25 No.2665066
    >>2664703
    Was eating, sorry.
    France: Any meat sold in the capital region is halal, we never knew it until our far right party brought it to the light. And the media were quick to pretend it was false. Did my own research(calling all the place were beast are executed), and it turn out it is true, forced on them by the government to appease and fund the muslim cult. (not all of them were veruy honest about it though.
    On every piece of halal meat sold, a part is used to fund Islam. Ergo I only eat pork and fish now.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:30 No.2665103
    >>2665044
    Nah, these guys (adressa) decided to limit their wording after the kids were attacked by people blaming the news, so i guess they felt guilty about not expounding enough, and even so, it's pretty impressive when norwegian media, which rather focus on celebrity, goes "deep undercover" and writes critical articles on the goverment, politicians (just recently VG uncovered one who had faked some papers) and yes, even immigration.

    But again, people always see the worst. nationalists claim the media is setting them in good light, whereas the left claim they are trying to make them look bad.

    Because of that, the media is afraid of walking into minefields because it comes at profit losses when nobody understand that sometimes, an article is nothing more than a article.

    Either way, i'm losing focus on what we're talking about. Imma go play HoI3
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:31 No.2665126
    >>2664997
    Why exactly is shit like you always clinically retarded?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:32 No.2665130
    >>2665050
    He's educated by Wikipedia. Did you expect him to think out a good plan?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:32 No.2665136
    >>2665025
    Tourist>>muslim immigrant fucktard.
    No tourist is bound by law to report crime. What the fuck is wrong with you? His safety and his girlfriend's came first. Did you forgot he mentionned a female was with him???
    Guess what would have happened if he called the cop in a language they wouldn't understand, or played superman
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:32 No.2665141
    >>2665126
    >saging a sticky thread.

    WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE CLINICALLY RETARDED
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:32 No.2665142
    >>2665058
    Uhh....everybody is a fan of the east asian model...
    Because they're fucking nearly 100% pure.

    There's very, very little immigration in the far east. He's fighting for Norway and for Europe. Call him a weaboo all you want. You won't troll the norm.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:34 No.2665161
    >>2665142
    >everybody is a fan of the east asian model
    >Because they're fucking nearly 100% pure.
    Confirmed for not knowing shit.

    You honestly think China is 100% pure? Or is it "all asians look the same" enough?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:35 No.2665179
    >>2665161
    >implying 50 different types of Han is diverse.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:36 No.2665186
    Sage this stupid Breivik shit
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:36 No.2665192
    >>2665186
    >Saging a sticky
    You fight the power, bro.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:37 No.2665198
    >>2665161

    china is 90% ethnically homogenous
    japan and s. korea 98%

    You do realize china is not the only country in east asia right?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:37 No.2665201
    Fucking this....

    "I am not scared by the prospect of being in prison all my life. I was born in a prison where I could not express my beliefs," he told the court, adding: "This prison is called Norway."

    -Anders Behring Breivik

    Seriously, 77 people are dead but the only ones to blame are liberals and socialists with their idiotic social standpoints. they diddnt want to give him atttention. now he's got all the attention he needs and 77 people died, well i hope you achieved your goal Liberals.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:38 No.2665208
    >>2665186
    umma sage with you bro i got yo back.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:38 No.2665220
    >>2665208
    I wouldn't mind but it's been flooding /pol/ for two days. Time to start saging.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:39 No.2665224
    >>2665136
    >No tourist is bound by law to report crime.
    Oh boy, good sameritan law? You know what that is, little cowardly shitstain? Of course not. Americans are so busy shielding pussies like you from liability because god knows that goes against FREEDOM.

    In europe however, not helping people in a matter that doesn't put your own life at risk (like say, calling cops, assisting cops in describing the offenders etc) when you can is criminal because being a major lazy cunt is enough to warrant punishment here.

    And he was in fucking scandinavia
    >Guess what would have happened if he called the cop in a language they wouldn't understand,
    Don't even try that excuse.
    Nobody expects him to headbutt everyone, but there's so many ways to help out instead of "WAAAH WE MUST GET OUT OF HERE BECAUSE THERES DARKIES HEREEEEE MOMMY RUN TO THE HILLS"
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:39 No.2665228
    >>2665201
    Mind if I kill you and fuck the corpse? It'll be your own fault for posting like a spastic on /pol/.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:39 No.2665232
    >>2665220
    We need solidarity against stormfags
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:39 No.2665234
    >>2665201

    We did. Now we can beat up rightwingers on the street without anyone calling the police, and without the police even bringing charges if they do happen to show up.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:40 No.2665237
    >>2665198
    >china is 90% ethnically homogenous
    And Sami people is the same as Norwegians. Yeah.
    How about you read up on chinese ethicities?

    Nah, all rook same.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:40 No.2665238
    >>2665201
    gotta admit, that quote is good
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:40 No.2665240
    >>2665201
    And adding to that, my grandfather diddnt get executed in 1943 in an effort to defend my country to see 70 years later a bunch of incompetant liberals who never fought or worked hard for anything give it to sand niggers on a silver plate.

    they deserve a slap in the face.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:40 No.2665242
    >>2665208
    >>2665220
    >2012
    >saging a sticky
    Stay mad, anti whites.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:41 No.2665246
    >>2665192
    >stormfag detected
    We're sick of your little hero worship. Sage.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:41 No.2665250
    >>2665201
    >crazy gunman shoots 77 unarmed innocent children
    >retarded stormshit defends crazy gunman for ridiculous reasons
    Seriously, we should set up a task force, find every retard that defends shitvik, round you all up and hose the area with white phosphorous ammunition until your remains are only ashes. Would raise Norway's average IQ by at least ten points.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:41 No.2665254
    >>2665240
    And he'd slap the shit out of you for supporting a totalitarian nutcase.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:42 No.2665258
    >>2665201
    Yeah, fucking education syst... Wait what?
    You admit that
    >only ones to blame are liberals and socialists with their idiotic social standpoints
    Means the teenagers themselves were innocent? Or is school shooting acceptable, because the system didn't give attention to that angry kid?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:42 No.2665259
    >>2665242
    Mods delete this thread. It's full of racism.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:42 No.2665266
    >>2665224
    >in a matter that doesn't put your own life at risk
    Calling cops is only effective if done in the 5 minute you witness a crime, doing it without being seen is not possible, ergo: the girlfriend and potential mother of his children and continuation of his lineage come first.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:42 No.2665269
    Breivik isn't the hero Norway deserves, he's the hero /pol/ deserves.

    A sad WoW basement dwelling failure that finally snaps.
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    >>2665259
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:44 No.2665283
    >>2665259

    This thread, it's full of racism delete mods.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:45 No.2665292
    >>2665259
    So? Point me to any thread on this board that isn't overrun by stormspazzies.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:45 No.2665293
    >>2665259
    Racial realism is the new thing bro, better get used to it.
    We were never made to exist together, one nation one culture.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:45 No.2665295
    >>2665254
    Did i say wooohooo yeah breivik a hero ?

    no, and did i say i support a mass murderer ??

    no

    But i do agree with the fact that europe is being invaded by islam. but u wouldnt know anything about that as an americunt, u just bomb the shit out of middle eastern countries and we get all the fucking immigrants, you stupid fuck.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:45 No.2665303
    They should revoke his citizenship. That'd be the ultimate punishment. It's not your country any more, bitch.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:46 No.2665306
    >>2665293
    Racial realism is a codeword for anti-human.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:46 No.2665317
    >>2665266
    >Calling cops is only effective if done in the 5 minute you witness a crime
    I'll be sure to remember that if i see you getting beaten up in broad daylight, in the middle of the street. Your words, not mine.

    Also, enjoy using that excuse when you get arrested for taking a wank in some corner as a guy bleeds out to death next to you.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:47 No.2665321
    >>2665306

    Really? I'm pretty sure it's not "anti-all-humans".

    And if it's anti-nigger to deny them the chance to live in our society and require that they must live with their own - wow, then we really must be awesome. We are torturing other people by denying them our inspiring company.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:47 No.2665324
    >>2665306
    Fucking aliens using split and conquer on us!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:48 No.2665334
    I got a boner when Breivik started crying from sheer despair.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:49 No.2665346
    >>2665334
    That wasn't despair, no one would despair at a 21yo long holiday.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:49 No.2665350
    Why is there only one thrad for this wtf

    300 posts is too fucking tl;dr

    Whats the latest sensation guys? Apparently the BBC journalists are saying that hes just repeating in court the same ideology that he posted online. What did he post and where?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:49 No.2665351
    >>2665259
    >Mods delete this thread. It's full of racism.

    Sorry, not your typical AUF "debate" echo chamber with censors standing by here.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:49 No.2665355
    >>2665306
    Racism is codeword for anti-beansprouts.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:50 No.2665358
    >>2665334
    >despair

    It was tears of joy and affirmation.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:50 No.2665366
    >>2665321
    It IS anti-all-humans. Most people die in your ideal world, and the rest are not capable of sustaining an incest free population.
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    Our hero.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:51 No.2665379
    >>2665334
    Lol
    He is crying because he achieved what he wanted, his diary shown on international television,

    its tears of joy.

    cant believe norfags were this retarded lol.
    also i smell so much liberalist cancer in here im getting dizzy.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:51 No.2665381
    >>2665358

    Wouldn't Breivik seem a little more sane and human for feeling despair? If he really was crying from...joy, in that situation, then that just makes him a thoroughly creepy mentally ill guy.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:51 No.2665387
    >>2665334
    He cried in pride because the moment the video was shown across the world to him was his pinnacle achievement.

    I think it's unrealistic. Big-ass manifestos have never changed the world over night. Breivik's basically a good guy who has cracked slightly because he could never speak what was on his mind without life-destroying consequences, but at least he made the right choice.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:51 No.2665388
    >>2665334
    >despair
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9209392/Anders-Behring-Breivik-my-tears-were
    -for-Norway.html
    >claims he cried in court because he was sad to see his country “dying”
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:52 No.2665398
    >>2665346
    If you think live is that great in prison, you're welcome to come here and do what you must to enter.

    Protip: Only ones who thinks any prison is a vacation are middle class kids who is content to live on their fat asses and complain how nice prisons are.

    And secondly, isn't norway going down the shitter? Isn't THAT why Breivik did what he did? If Norwegian money runs out, you think these prisons will last? Or sink considerably in quality as the funding runs out?

    Yeah, if he actually is right, he's gonna have a proper laugh when he suddenly needs to share cells with huge black men and piss on the floor.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:52 No.2665400
    >>2665237
    Oh wow, countries composed of different ethnic groups sure is reason enough to open your borders to everyone. Especially if the ethnic groups that have lived in your country for hundreds of years (or in the case of Sami are the original inhabitants) are well adjusted then you should by all means open your borders for everyone including people with radically different beliefs and life-styles because what's there to lose, right?

    >this is what pro-immigration fags actually believe
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:53 No.2665404
    >>2665388
    well thats better than the sun article.
    "He cried in demonic glee at his hate video"
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:54 No.2665417
    I think the circle jerk over this guy is because he's did something no one else here with his ideology can do.

    In other words they're just riding coattails of someone who had the balls to do it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:54 No.2665418
    Breivik is crying because after all his failures, he finally became famous by being another Herostratus. Just like any losers who has given up want. That quick road to fame.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:54 No.2665419
    King Harald V of Norway is above the law. Nothing is stopping him from just going in there and killing Brevik.

    But I guess they're saving that for after the trial.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:54 No.2665422
    This man... really believes in what hes doing...

    >anxiously waiting for islamic retaliation

    Fuuuuck yeeeaaaarrr

    >osama is already dead
    >sadfrog.jpg
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:55 No.2665428
    >>2665374
    Fuck you. I wanna get that pic tattooed on my back now.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:56 No.2665443
    >>2665366
    >It IS anti-all-humans. Most people die in your ideal world, and the rest are not capable of sustaining an incest free population.

    This is utterly retarded. You remind me again why left-wingers are anti-intellectual and anti-democracy and their deaths improve the state of debate in a nation.

    1. Even the strictest form of racism would at most segregate people into different groups. Most people don't "die" unless the group they are in fails to produce even the most basic food and shelter. That might include a lot of Africans, but you can hardly say that Japan has succeeded because it is such a multiracial society.

    >the rest are not capable of sustaining an incest free population.

    Ridiculous. I mean, what. Even with 2 families you could have an incest free population. Are you meaning inbreeding-free? Standard biological measures is that you typically only need (as far as I remember) a few thousand or so at most to have perfect genetic sustainability. Certainly a miniscule fraction of the hundreds of millions that fall into the racial categories of most racists.

    tldr: you're just a shit-headed leftwinger coming up with random crap again. You remind me of a positive consequence that people got killed on Utoya, namely that their minds just don't function.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:56 No.2665444
    Swefag here, I've followed most of the the trials for the past 2 days, I must say that I am quite amazed by how composed he is. I realize he has accepted his fate as being sealed in prison for the rest of his life (which he admitted), I have a hard time believing that he is a psychopath because he seems to be quite emotional and recognizes the hurt and feelings of his victims, but his devotion and composure sure is awe-inspiring. He is "winning" the battle in the courts. Not judicially, but rhetorically.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:56 No.2665453
    Just let the liberals have their fun and beliefs.

    when the shit hits the fan the first to be held accountable and hunted will be the liberal scum who brought this on us. you wont be able to hide. you will be strung up in your own bedroom. like the nazis went after the commies in the final days of the reich. (fun little fact. communism is responsible for atleast 110milion+ deaths, yet liberal television still teaches national socialisme to be the bad guy)
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:57 No.2665464
    >>2665400
    >Chinese propaganda works perfectly on me!
    Yeah, according to China, Tibet is actually composed of "ethically chinese" that is to be treated like second grade. Did you know that there are muslim chinese groups, who ethically chinese is eradicating in northen china along the mongol borders and northwestern borders? These guys have always been there, but that's not good enough,

    The only chinese in a chinese's eyes are Han chinese. The rest is to be removed while Han Chinese spreads out to their lands.

    That's the model of China, which "everybody loves"
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:58 No.2665474
    >>2665453
    >when the shit hits the fan the first to be held accountable and hunted will be the liberal scum who brought this on us

    But who's going to actually do it.
    Will it be you?

    When do you think this will come about?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:59 No.2665477
    >>2665444
    The thing is, it's only just started, they will go into all the bullshit details of everything, it'll be quite hard to not break. But I hope he makes it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:59 No.2665481
    >>2665474
    Um hello Breivik
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:59 No.2665487
    >>2665453
    > 110milion+ deaths,

    Source?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:00 No.2665493
    HAHA, btw, in today's cross-hearing, Breivik exclaimed that Japan and South Korea are role models for all European countries and that we yurofags have slipped behind since world war 2 :d.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:00 No.2665500
    >>2665481
    What happens if he goes to jail?.

    How is he going to continue it?
    Does he have people on hand to help him on his agenda?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:02 No.2665519
    >>2665398
    If it goes to the shitter as you say, thank to immigrant, won't he be left out?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:02 No.2665524
    >>2665444
    >He is "winning" the battle in the courts. Not judicially, but rhetorically.
    You know that the average norwegians see him as a cold monster, right? Only on /pol/ is he winning anything at all. And that support for immigrants is on the rise because of him?

    You suffer from false-consensus effect, it appears.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:02 No.2665527
    God Breivik got fat.

    What sort of diet recommendations can I send him? I don't know what sorts of food they give out in Norweigan jail.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:02 No.2665529
    >>2665493
    In terms of immigration and the values surrounding it, I can't say he's entirely wrong...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:03 No.2665537
    >>2665487
    http://www.braincrave.com/viewblog.php?id=612

    U can find it on wiki as well even though it is a bs site. so i would say its reliable information and certainly not to hard to imagine communism being responsible.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:03 No.2665538
    >>2665464
    If you think it's bad when the han do it, why do you think it's good when muslim do it in europe?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:03 No.2665544
    >>2665519
    I'm not saying it, i'm saying that according to Breivik, and /pol/, Norwegian economy is goind down.

    That in turns means Norway can't keep their rather chill prison system for long and will need to make cutbacks.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:05 No.2665559
    >>2665500

    The thing is, Breivik har already accomplished what he started out to do. He ignited the the dynamite, if more nationalists follow in his lead (which doesn't seem implausible considering his remarkable composure in court) the politically correct representative democracies will implode under pressure from islamic and nationalist terrorism, considering that the middle class has been pacified by consumerism and censorship
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:05 No.2665561
    >>2665464
    I agree that China is a repressive shithole but how can you compare a country that's so different to the situation in Europe? Last time I checked Europe wasn't communist (yet)
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:05 No.2665563
    >>2665537
    I'll look it up on wiki, because getting your source from a staff member of Second Life is pretty stupid.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:05 No.2665567
    >>2665524
    >You suffer from false-consensus effect, it appears.

    speak for yourself.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:06 No.2665583
    >>2665527
    prolly pancakes for breakfast and pizza for dinner. All halal of course.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:07 No.2665587
    >>2665524

    This is only a short-term effect, much like the rise of popularity for right-wing parties after islamic terror attacks. It's only temporary if you follow the trends.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:07 No.2665599
    >>2665538
    I'm not. I'm laughing at your visible lack of knowledge regarding chinese ethicity when you claim 90% is ethically chinese. Mussies are just as bad. But you are just too stupid to be allowed spouting uneducated bullshit about "the eastern asian model" is superior when it counts particulary the Chinese model whilst clearly knowing jack shit about them.

    And guess what, The equalence of Sami to japanese are the Ainu, and they too are being systematically eradicated despite being completely loyal japanese citizens and have been for centuries. Japs ain't any better than the Chinese, and their economic boom has gone away for good.

    But the less people know about something, the more vocal they appear on it be it in favor or against, i suppose.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:08 No.2665606
    >>2665524

    Support for immigration?

    Here's the truth:

    Any political party today that spread the naive, utopian left-wing propaganda crap about "enrichment" that they did just 10-20 years ago would be completely demolished.

    The left-wing parties have been FORCED to tighten up their immigration policies. That is a YOU LOSE already there. "they still have power" - so what?

    Of course, they are still multiculturalist fuckheads and they still try to push as much immigration as they can within the rules.

    So hey, the opposition parties are in the lead in the polls!

    U mad?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:09 No.2665617
    >>2665559
    The spark ignited was in the left. They are out beating fuckers like him up on the streets as we speak. If it happens again then it wont just be the extreamist left, it will be everyone.

    9/11 didn't turn the US into an islamist country, and it won't work out will for these people either.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:09 No.2665621
    >>2665567
    Unlike you, mr swede, i live in Norway, and we on my job that consists of average joes had a talk about him. And even people who are against immigration feels he comes of as some cruel sociopath killer. Sorta like Dexter, just without the charisma and charm.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:10 No.2665629
    >>2665559
    How can you be sure of this? Because so far it seems like no one else is doing what he's doing right now and it's been a while since his arrest.

    Why would nationalists wait so long to follow in his footsteps?

    Are they waiting for his trial to be over?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:11 No.2665644
    >>2665629
    >Are they waiting for his trial to be over?
    Yep, we want to see how the opinion take it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:11 No.2665645
    >>2665587
    Yes just a couple of weeks after 9/11 the US was totally fine with Muslims again.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:12 No.2665666
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    >>2665587
    >This is only a short-term effect, much like the rise of popularity for right-wing parties after islamic terror attacks. It's only temporary if you follow the trends.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:12 No.2665667
    >>2665644
    So once his trial is over, what are you guys going to do?

    Give me a scenario of if he's not convicted and if he is convicted.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:13 No.2665677
    >>2665617
    This is the interesting part, brevik also commented on this today, he wanted the witch hunt, and he knew that shit would get a whole lot stricter and worse, he escalated the processes of the left, sort of, creating an increased polarizing effect.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:13 No.2665680
    >>2665645
    You HONESTLY compare USA with Norway, of all the fucking countries?

    How about the UK instead? Who even more recently had a terrorist attack? You don't see them crying themselves to sleep each night, draped in the union flag, cursing at every muslim they encounter on the street.

    USA, and it's people, is something completely unique and incomparable
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:14 No.2665684
    >>2665667

    What do you mean "not convicted"?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:14 No.2665687
    >>2665621

    Haha, that's quite ironic, because that must mean the swedish media is failing utterly in properly sending out that message. Sure, they did reflect ALOT about the fact that Breivik did not show emotions during the listing of victims of his attack. However, they also put alot of focus on his motifs, and I think he puts up quite a strong argument for his beliefs and means of action.

    After all, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:14 No.2665693
    >>2665645
    Hello, dickface. Check the Norwegian polls.

    There's two main opposition parties in the majority. One, the Progress Party, has been hated by left-wingers forever. So much that some of them got MS Encarta (I believe or Britannica) to label it a Nazi party. And now it will be one of two major governing parties. The poll results have reversed from just post Breivik in less than a year?

    U MAD? YES U MAD!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:16 No.2665711
    >>2665667
    >Give me a scenario of if he's not convicted and if he is convicted.
    Tht's not even a factor in what will be done after.
    He will be convicted, but will he break? Can he be used as an example of how far native people are pushed by multicultist?
    If he break, we can't use him and everything was a waste.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:16 No.2665715
    >>2665684
    What if the court doesn't convict him of his crimes.

    I want to know what are you (as in nationalists) planning to do if he's found guilty of his crimes and found not guilty of his crimes.

    Do you guys have a plan for each scenario?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:18 No.2665740
    >>2665715
    Go away reporter.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:18 No.2665745
    >>2665715
    > What if the court doesn't convict him of his crimes.
    You don't understand the nature of this trial, this is a show trial for the gallery, nothing more.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:18 No.2665748
    >>2665715
    That's not possible, he admitted he was guilty. Now he's only explaining why that was the best idea for him and the country.
    Unlike liberal leftist, blinded by multiculturalism we only deal in truth and endure patiently.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:19 No.2665754
    >>2665748
    He pleaded not guilty and claimed self-defence.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:19 No.2665757
    >>2665629
    Breivik was far ahead of his time.

    I think many people, like me, are just waiting for the shit to hit the fan. The positive effects of Breivik is that he's broken the feeling of left-wing invulnerability and popped the bubble of people.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:20 No.2665773
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    >>2664762
    Breivik got a nose job to hide the Jewishness of his nose. He was working for mossad because the children on the camp were supporters of Palestine.

    Killing the children of your enemy is the hallmark fo the Jew. They celebrate the genocide of the first born of non Jews as part of their passover festival. Jews celebrate genocide and blame the victom. Brevik blames the victims because he is a Jew.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:21 No.2665775
    >>2665711
    >>2665745
    >>2665748
    So basically you guys are riding on this one person and not doing anything to help further his nationalist agenda that some of you follow.

    How come none of you are doing the same thing he's doing if you guys praise it so much and are alluding to eventually doing the same thing anyways?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:21 No.2665778
    >>2665754
    That was a mistranslation. He's claimed principle of necessity.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:21 No.2665781
    >>2665715

    "You guys" is a retarded concept. Every person here is a different person. Go back to school and do something that doesn't involve dealing with people, like counting ants.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:21 No.2665783
    >>2665687
    Most freedom fighters haven't affected the country in question.

    There were a few guys who basically said that they understand his motives, but what he did is unspeakable, and the fact that he seems in love with himself, showing not a single remorse for the victims who he executed, is enough to disgust even the hardiest sailor who is trying to be proud of his own people.

    That's not so easy for us blue collar workers when they apparently are basement dwelling nerds who is ice cold even if their logic is there.

    When these people lead, bad shit will happen to the followers. Much like Stalin and his people.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:21 No.2665784
    >>2665757
    Well said, I agree.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:22 No.2665793
    >>2665781
    Yes every person here is different, thank you for pointing out the obvious, but for those of you who follow his views, clearly you all fall within his realm of reasoning, do you not?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:24 No.2665812
    >>2665775
    We didn't crack and still see other way to fight immigration.
    If all hope of survival for my people is lost though...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:24 No.2665815
    >>2665775
    >How come none of you are doing the same thing he's doing if you guys praise it so much and are alluding to eventually doing the same thing anyways?

    Logic fail: HOW COME THAT YOU ARE NOT DOING RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU SAY THAT YOU EVENTUALLY MIGHT DO?

    See my posts here:

    >>2664420
    >>2664506
    >>2664592
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:24 No.2665816
    Do you know whats pissing off leftist/liberals. They don't have anything that compares to this guy.
    They had the OWS which was babies first protest. It was impotent and had no lasting effect on anyone.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:24 No.2665825
    >>2665816
    WOLF DASH PAC BITCH
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:25 No.2665831
    >>2665815
    That just tells me you guys aren't coordinated in your efforts to stop whatever it is you want to stop.

    This doesn't seem very organized at all.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:26 No.2665847
    >>2665812
    What other ways are you talking about?
    I'm hoping it's more than just voting and posting on /pol/.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:27 No.2665867
    >>2665816

    I actually think a lot of left-wingers are shitting their pants over the scale of what a single guy did.

    A group of immigrants struggle to even put a bomb together in such a way that it even explodes. A white Norwegian conservative male does DUAL massive bomb attack AND highly efficient mass shooting.

    See, this just illustrates how much one man can do.

    To collectivists this is very scary. They want the collective to be strong and the individual to be weak. They want to be able to isolate those they hate and repress them and for those to be so weak they can't do anything back.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:27 No.2665869
    >>2665831
    >This doesn't seem very organized at all.
    News at eleven.
    I was center left until a few year ago. Excuse us for not realizing before being a voter how deep in shit europe is.
    Political education exist nowhere in europe, why do you think?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:29 No.2665899
    >>2665869
    I'm just saying, I would think for such a huge problem, a lot more thought and planning would be put into it.

    I may be speaking to a choir here, but it seems like /pol/ is just all talk and no back bone.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:29 No.2665900
    >>2665869
    I'm suspicious that anon is constantly asking. What are you guys going to do?
    Sounds like a lazy journo hoping to discover a super secret templar cell communicating on /pol/

    Ignore the anons who keep saying "what are you going to do , tell me the info"
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:29 No.2665903
    >>2665847
    I'm getting the impression you're trying to profile me/us. Why do you need such information? Trying to make the news about the racist site on the net?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:30 No.2665917
    >>2665867
    white man>>>jihadist
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:31 No.2665929
    >>2665783

    Listen fellow friend. Have you followed Breivik's rhetoric today?

    He purposely used historical events such as the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to legitimize the killing. His argument being that it was a horrible thing to do (which he admitted), that he sought after other solutions than Utöya (such as killing only journalists at one specific event, you can find it in the trial proceedings). He simply found it as the means of killing a few to prevent the slaughter of multiple times the same.

    He even acknowledged that he is a monster and that he sacrifices himself for the greater good. That is, he sacrifices his humanity, or the aspect of ever beeing seen as a human, being loved again or the chance of living a different life, for the one thing he truly believed in.

    I personally find this VERY frightening. It is true proof that the one man's will overcomes every hinder and obstacle with faith in ones cause and sincere patience.

    There is no right or wrong, no moral good or wrong. There only exists what one finds desirable for one self and the others around.
    >> Daily Reminder Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:31 No.2665934
    Breivik is not on trial for killing 77 people. The Muslims and blacks have destroyed whole societies, and do they get a trial? Do they get punishment? No. The what is Breivik in court for? Being white.

    They have made being white a crime and Breivik is guilty.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:31 No.2665938
    >>2665903
    Because if you guys have such a clear agenda like Brevik here, you'd be willing to say what you're going to do like he did.

    If not, you guys are clearly a joke and all this rhetoric is for show, meaning you're not true to your convictions and a bunch of cowards.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:31 No.2665940
    >>2665900

    That Anon is either trolling or utterly retarded.

    "HEY GUISE SO LOL WHEN DO WE ASSASINATE OBAMA AGAIN LOL I FORGOT WHERE WE STORE OUR WEAPONS"

    I mean, this is just bizarre. Troll, journalist or left-winger, whatever. Next debate please.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:33 No.2665961
    >>2665940
    I think its been proven that dickhead journalists and other types come here hoping to get news or some leads.

    I realised a while ago that the journalists in my countries news site were ripping memes from 4chan and /pol/
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:33 No.2665963
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    BREIVIK SPEAKS:

    They expect us to applaud our ethnic and cultural doom … They should be characterised as insane, not me. Why is this the real insanity? This is the real insanity because it is not rational to work to deconstruct one's own ethnic group, culture and religion."
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/17/anders-behring-breivik-claims-victims-not-innocent?newsf
    eed=true
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:33 No.2665964
    >>2665938
    Too transparent, now I'm shutting up on this topic. You'll see when it come. Whether it's through violence or not, ye shall not know.
    You have a sick mind to look for conspirator everywhere.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:33 No.2665971
    >>2665938
    >If not, you guys are clearly a joke and all this rhetoric is for show, meaning you're not true to your convictions and a bunch of cowards.

    See previous post with reference to previous posts:

    >>2665815
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:35 No.2665994
    >>2665867
    Except Brevik wasn't working on his own.
    Do you seriously think 1 person could have pulled all that off?

    He was a member of the Freemasons and was probably trained by Mossad. He was promoting their agenda of assimilating brownskin Muslims into Europe in order to do race-mixing.

    Not once in his manefesto did he ever mention the Jews. That's because he's working for them.

    Why else do you think the Jewish owned media is giving him so much publicity?

    The Jewish owned media only ever publisizes it's own people.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:37 No.2666010
    >>2665964
    So you can't be as transparent as Breivik. who clearly shows more conviction in what he believes in than you guys.

    That's pretty sad, and definitely shows you guys have no back bone to promote your ideology/

    I think this Norwegian hero that /pol/ praises would probably "fashion you chaps" pussies.

    >>2665994
    I'll take that into consideration once there's proof to support it, not theories.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:37 No.2666015
    >>2665929
    I don't even know what you're trying to say nor why you direct it at my post. I'm just telling you what my coworkers and i talked about. Needless to say, everyone is talking about the guy for apparent reasons.

    And please, don't tell me you believe everyone who is a normal worker just trying to pass quietly along in life thinks "There is no right or wrong, no moral good or wrong."

    Hell, i only used to see sociopathic /b/tards and /a/tards who "had it all figured out" despite never going outside say it back in the days.
    >> Kike Goldbergenstein 04/17/12(Tue)11:37 No.2666017
    >>2664722

    Romanians increase crime in any nation they emigrate to. Sorry to say but you need to stop being gypsies before whining about being confused with them.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:37 No.2666019
    >>2665994
    He does. I just googled it up on Scribd and search for 'jew' and there's 560 hits.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:38 No.2666024
    >>2665994
    >Do you seriously think 1 person could have pulled all that off?
    Yes, that doable.

    We are not the usa, jews are not the enemy, the elite is and if some of them happen to be jews, so be it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:39 No.2666042
    >>2666010
    Choose your fight wisely, choose well when you fight them.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:39 No.2666047
    >>2665929
    The man is a narcissist. His life is an utter failure, but he wants to compensate for his insignificance and impotence by believing he is some sort of hero/savior of his race. No, wonder he is the hero of all other utter failures here.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:40 No.2666058
    >>2665994
    I don't get it. It seems you are on the same side as those who says he's pro zionist. Yet you two groups seems so splintered on this shit.

    1: He's zionist because he ignites war against muslims (not that you saw particulary much attention to the Metro bombings in UK, despite "jewish owned media" hates muslims)

    Or its
    2: He's scrapegoating for zionists by making people sympathic to immigrants. Which is why "jewish owned media" focuses so much on this case

    Well. what the fuck is it? Do you faggots even agree on anything?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:41 No.2666071
    >>2666047
    >Narcissist
    Bullshit. Narcissists don't go into death traps
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:41 No.2666075
    >>2666042
    So you're opportunistic.
    How does that make it any better?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:42 No.2666078
    >>2666047
    Spending time here is a bit failtard but not any more than watching TV.

    There's plenty of people here who aren't "failures". I'll volunteer as one. Degrees from top universities, income far above average, describing what my best analytical capability shows me. 4chan is one of the few places you can actually discuss certain topics at all.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:42 No.2666086
    >>2665963
    >If Breivik can convince the Norwegian Libtard commies of their own evil.
    >Norwegian law says he will be set free.

    This is a task set for a God like hero. He must convince a dishonest leftist courthouse that they are wrong.
    It is epic.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:42 No.2666089
    >>2666071
    He's nihilist who loves himself and is willing to give up on everything for that one spot in the history book, even life. He's like Herostratus.

    Besides, he's norwegian. Police crew loses their jobs for killing criminals, especially before they had a chance to surrender, which he did.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:43 No.2666106
    >>2665961
    Hahaha, that's so true. You see something posted on 4chan and a few days later it appears in MSM.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:44 No.2666107
    >>2666047
    Same as this > >>2666078
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:45 No.2666121
    >>2666058

    The thing is, you can never really know. I think the actual number of Stormfags (White Supremacy Neo-Nazis etc) is pretty small.

    In Germany they tried to ban a Nazi party and they couldn't because almost the entire leadership were policemen and they couldn't find a single piece of propaganda that wasn't written partly by a policeman. See:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany

    Then I see the people who go "Black and white and brown and yellow must stand together against the Jews and Christians" - I mean, which neo nazi mythology does this even correspond to?

    And then you have an army of "voluntary" left-wingers who see it as a holy jihadistic duty to massively troll, splinter and demobilise any right-wing movement.

    The only sensible approach is one that doesn't rely on other people being truthful in any way.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:45 No.2666125
    >>2666078
    >4chan is one of the few places you can actually discuss certain topics at all.
    If you honestly believe people mean what they so often say in hyperboles, i doubt your "degree" and analytical abilities counts for much.

    I can confess, i always play on both sides of a debate when here because it passes the time, it's fun and a good outlet for agression. Sometimes i'm even outright hostile even towards people who i agree with.

    Do moot really need to add that /b/anner here? The one about all things being works of fiction and only fools believe them?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:46 No.2666143
    >>2666125
    "/pol/ is satire. Nobody is voicing their sincere opinion or trying to make a genuine argument for anything."
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:47 No.2666149
    >>2666104
    legit? where from?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:47 No.2666153
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    BREIVIK'S SPEECH IN COURT TODAY:
    http://pastebin.com/zzq4KKXK
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:48 No.2666166
    >>2666086
    If he manage to do that, I don't understand anything anymore. The mark of a leftist is that he's not open to discuss anything since hr's right by birth.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:48 No.2666167
    >>2666143
    Excellent. Understanding Poe's Law is a clear requirement when visiting /pol/
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:49 No.2666173
    >>2666143
    Except it's not.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:49 No.2666174
    >>2666125
    >If you honestly believe people mean what they so often say in hyperboles, i doubt your "degree" and analytical abilities counts for much.

    I should be disappointed you had to ask that, but no. You can read between the lines, you can extract impulses from what people write. Partly an outlet for my own views and my own trolling desires, partly to see what other people think. I had a great discussion about Marxism the other day.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:49 No.2666181
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    >>2666058

    You left wing journalist Jews just don't understnad us at all do you?

    We can see through your lies. We can see your pathetic attempts to incite violence on here in order to get our beloved 4chan shut down.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:50 No.2666184
    >>2666173
    youmustbenew.jpg
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:52 No.2666220
    >>2666174
    >you can extract impulses from what people write.
    No, you can only assume and make assumption on your own personallity and whenever or not you would/could make satire out of it.

    There is no sarcasm but extaggeration and context in written words. And when it's anon that post, there is with no certainty one understand the context as one doesn't even know if it's the same man.

    When you fancy yourself able to understand 4chan and it's massive userbase, you are deluding yourself with a subject that cannot be proved, only assumed upon.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:52 No.2666223
    >>2666174

    And I should say, from this discussion:

    What I get from this discussion is that the left-wingers are scared shitless. Breivik is like a boogy-man they hoped never would appear. They had to play it cool, but inside they are fucking pissing themselves. That goes for the majority of them.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:52 No.2666226
    >>2666184
    You do not know shit about other peoples sincerity. Do not try to project your own sincerity onto others. I, for one, never troll - and I suspect that the overwhelming majority is sincere in their opinions.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:53 No.2666234
    >>2666226
    0/10
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:53 No.2666241
    >>2666226
    your own insicerity*
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:54 No.2666254
    >>2666234
    I exagerate myself, but never outright lie. I want all muslims out of france asap. At all cost.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:54 No.2666257
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    >>2666143

    Some part of /pol/, yes. But by saying this you seek to destroy our confidence in the fact that there are still some people left, that are not brainwashed by your neo-marxist propaganda, thus isolating us even more. There are still some honest people left (obviously not in the west) who have free minds.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:54 No.2666260
    >>2666254
    Troll harder, jew
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:56 No.2666286
    >>2666257
    This. This is the last place where I can voice my true opinions anonymously.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:57 No.2666292
    >>2666143
    Liberals trying desperately to pretend people on /pol/ don't mean it when the say they hate multiculturalism.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:57 No.2666293
    >>2666257
    I like you. You are everything i believe about /pol/, satirical, sarcastic or serious..
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:58 No.2666308
    >>2666254
    Extaggeration, when having cold facts, is lies. Learn this and use it well. Or people will never take you seriously.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:58 No.2666317
    >>2666143
    /POL/ IS NOT SATIRE IT IS THE TRUTH. Muslims made up 1% of Europe 100 years ago, they are now 3%. That is a TRIPLING. In 100 years, there will be more Muslims than Christians, and our culture will be gone, unless you fight back.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:58 No.2666318
    OK bitches, it goes like this:

    The Jews are fighting a covert race war against whites. The goal is to genocide whites through race mixing and lowering the birth rates.

    The Jews imported brown skinnned Muslims to Europe in order to race mix. But a problem arose, the Muslims didn't want to race mix. The Muslims were causing the whites to oppose immigration also. It was upsetting the Jews plans. Brevik talks about his dissapointment that the Muslims aren't "integrating" ie race-mixing.

    The answer is to make the Muslims abandon Islam so they will race-mix with whites. If they refuse to race-mix, then the Jews will remove them from Europe and replace them with niggers who will be willing to race-mix.

    That's what its all about. That's why Brevik is working for the Jews. He does not oppose race-mixing. He is actively in favor of it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:58 No.2666321
    >>2666260
    Fuck you multicultist, I'll spread the blood of your kind in the street of my capital.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:59 No.2666328
    >>2666220
    This is a very good point. How can you make a judgement about anything externally given that any judgement you make will be a product of your own inner landscape?

    You're saying that it's impossible. I'm not up for a mega big discussion at the moment, but:

    Hey, it's a cognitive and epistemological issue, naturally. The problem with what you are saying, a blanked statement that "you cannot", is that this would basically rule out any form of social science.

    Social scientists have recognised this problem and found that there's ways to compensate for it. But no way to compensate for such a personal bias could completely remove the personal bias. Hence they have accepted that an incomplete and flawed understanding is superior to no understanding at all.

    I completely accept that my judgements about what I see here will be an incomplete and flawed understanding. The precise degree of the flaw is connected with your "deluding yourself" - exactly how much do I read out of others and how much out of myself? Hey, really good question!

    But overall, I've had some analytical success in my life and am pretty sure that I can read not-insignificant amounts out of slightly chunkier pieces of text.

    You respond: "That is wrong, you cannot be able to do that!". I respond: It's a matter of degree, not a matter of binary logic.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)11:59 No.2666329
    >>2666321
    >Obviously trolling Muslim
    Don't you have the fourth prayer of the die around now?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:00 No.2666342
    >>2666308
    Saying die faggot instead of I despise what you represent is an exaggeration, yet no one can misunderstand what I mean
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:01 No.2666351
    so there is no live feed?
    how did the news get into the courtroom?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:01 No.2666358
    You know what's funny? All of Norway pretty much laughs at the stupid shit he says.

    So, for anyone dumb enough to agree with this man: you are so stupid that you technically have an entire nation laughing at you, apart from a very few, equally deluded retards.

    Believe it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:01 No.2666363
    >>2666329
    None of my ancestor is non white, try again.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:02 No.2666366
    >>2666286
    >>2666293

    Thank you, kind sirs.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:03 No.2666385
    >>2666328

    Pro tip- anyone saying that breivik is supporting the Jews and multi cultural ism is a lib fail troll desperate for nigger dick.

    This man has more bravery than any of today's generation ten fold
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:03 No.2666387
    >>2666358
    >Believe it.
    Go hang yourself narutard.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:04 No.2666401
    >>2666358
    You are laughing at your own genocide. That's smart.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:05 No.2666410
    >>2666387

    I don't know what narutard means.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:05 No.2666423
    >>2666401

    >laugh at his stupid, primitive opinions
    >call it laughing at own genocide

    Right. That makes tons of sense.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:07 No.2666441
    "I do not recognize the Norwegian court"
    - Anders Behring Breivik

    That statement could have been valid if he didn't choose to be represented by another person.

    Captcha: 33rd thrsam
    The second part is not relevant, but 33rd degree mason is the highest degree. Just thought it was a little funny.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:07 No.2666442
    >>2666328
    I agree mostly, do forgive me if i came of as insulting your intellectual capacity, for as you know, 4chan has the slowest to the brightest among us, though i am optimistic, and believe most of us are generally above average intelligence for a vast amounts of variable reasons.

    I too am really not in the mood to expound too much the the subject we discuss now, nor is this really the thread for it.

    I believe you put it nicely with "It's a matter of degree" yet, as i am sure you too agree on, there can never be a complete, as nature of 4chan, it's users and all things anonymous cannot be with a strong certainty nor degree.

    In the end, we all must rely on our own assumption and hope we are not misunderstanding intention nor seriousness in someones post.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:08 No.2666452
    >>2666358
    Kommunistene i DDR trodde de var poppulære til Berlinmuren falt. Vi holder kjeft, til dere har gravet deres egen grav.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:08 No.2666453
    >>2666423
    >an entire nation is laughing [at its demographic replacement and loss of culture]

    Your words and implications.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:08 No.2666462
    >>2666385
    Brevik is a Jew lover. Just read through the log of his blog posts on the neo-con blogosphere. There is even suspicion that he is a Jew himself and underwent surgery on his nose.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:09 No.2666464
    >>2666442
    You may now have a cookie. Sorry.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:09 No.2666471
    >>2666401

    I'm still fine, so is the rest of Norway.

    Turns out it's impossible to lose your culture unwillingly, and turns out I don't have to have children with people outside of my race if I don't want too.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:09 No.2666473
    >>2666441
    did he give a reason for this?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:10 No.2666491
    >>2666473
    because marxism
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:11 No.2666501
    >>2666453

    The fuck are you even talking about?

    You're talking as if a revolution is happening and some genocide is going on. One idiot did something idiotic and he's now being trialed for it and people are mocking his idiocy. Even people in the courtroom laughed at him as he made his speech.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:11 No.2666513
    >>2666471
    As long as we have our beautiful, intelligent and wonderful nynorsk, we will never lose ourselves in the sea of evil influences that are foreing cultures!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:12 No.2666517
    >>2666452

    Gjør det du.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:12 No.2666522
    >>2666471
    Look at the state of france and UK, idiot. They are already starting to impose their rule backed by the elite.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:12 No.2666532
    >>2666441

    Especially when Breivik is a freemason himself and waited until he was 33 to carry out the attack and then killed a suspicious 77 people.

    7/7 bombings,
    Toulouse = 7 people
    Timer on Breviks bomb = 7 mins
    People "killed " by Brevik = 77

    The freemasons are laughing at you all but you are too stupid to see what they are doing.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:13 No.2666533
    >>2666501
    You're talking to stormfags here, they'll just spin it that people are laughing because they coincide with his ideas.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:13 No.2666538
    >>2666517
    anonyme forum er de eneste stedet hvor du får høre sannheten
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:14 No.2666555
    >>2666538
    4chan fortalte meg at Bigfoot fantes. De hadde rett. Så han rote igjennom søpla mi i går kveld.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:14 No.2666556
    >>2666491
    I mean, did he give a reason?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:15 No.2666565
    >>2666501
    They were laughing at an off-hand comment he made not the speeches he was delivering. If you're going to make a bullshit statement at least make it somewhat knowledgeable.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:15 No.2666567
    >>2666538

    Lol, okei.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:16 No.2666574
    >>2666538
    Ironisk nok er det enda mere extreme spektrum på begge sider hos fx VG's forum.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:16 No.2666581
    >>2666532
    7/7 bombings?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:17 No.2666599
    >>2666574
    Neppe, VGD har en ivrig mod
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:17 No.2666602
    >>2666574
    VG-forum er kloakken av de som er for failtard selv for 4chan.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:17 No.2666603
    Anybody got a "best of" the trial?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:18 No.2666616
    >>2666574

    VGD er jo stappfult av idioter.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:18 No.2666625
    I love how breivik actually seems very smart. The jews keep trying to hint at him being insane, but everything he has said is coherent and logical.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:18 No.2666630
    >>2666473
    Full quote:
    "I do not recognize the Norwegian court because you have received mandates from political parties that support multiculturalism.
    And in addition it is known that you (the judge) are a personal friend of Hanne Harlem, sister of Gro Harlem Brundtland (former Prime minister of Norway, and part of Arbeiderpartiet)"
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:19 No.2666637
    >>2666599

    Stemmer, jeg husker den dagen VG-mod erklærte at "ironisering" over "begrepet berikelse" skulle lede til utestengelse fordi "berikelse er noe av det vakreste som fins".
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:20 No.2666663
    >>2666581
    london transport bombings in 2005.
    was very well carried out.
    >>2666625
    it's all planned.
    >>2666630
    so. it's due to him seeing the court as biased (or with certain intentions other than trying to sentence him)
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:20 No.2666667
    >>2666532

    Yes, 7 is the Freemason number.

    Unfortunately there can only be 10 different organisations in the world because 10 would be infringing on 0 and 1.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:21 No.2666668
    >>2666616
    >>2666602
    Exactly my point. Trist nok tror jeg mange tror i det de sier. Og er så forbanna hardcore på det at de driver år for år med samma sprøytet. Litt som visse tripfags i enkelte boards here

    >>2666599
    Nå tenker jeg ikke i kommentarfeltene, men på selve forumet. Spesielt på natterstid.

    VGD er perfekt for en god latter.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:22 No.2666698
    >>2666452
    Hva har du imot innvandring? Svar meg din Nazifitte..
    Mamma har ny mann fra Cuba og lillesøster dater Fash fraa B-gjengen. Jeg skal bla opp noen penger og betale di for å grise trynet ditt. Dø din stygge nazihore.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:22 No.2666703
    >>2666667
    I'm guessing it's just a random alignment of numbers.
    if it didn't include the number dead (outside of direct killing with small arms)
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:23 No.2666710
    >>2666698
    Poe's law in action.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:23 No.2666719
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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304432704577349192946992290.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    >he is fighting a supposed Muslim invasion of Europe and is defending himself, Norway and Europe against political organizations that support a multicultural society.

    >a Marxist political elite has allowed too much immigration and has indoctrinated the media, suppressing the opinions of what he called "nationalists."

    That feel when much of what Breivik says is technically correct...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:24 No.2666730
    >>2666602
    > bruker ordet "failtard"

    Du er kloakk.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:24 No.2666736
    >>2666698
    ahahahahahah faggot.
    >immigration or i'll kill you
    This is what leftists believe.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:25 No.2666748
    >>2666730
    no u
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:26 No.2666758
    >>2666748

    Når du har fått poppet alle kvisene dine kan du komme tilbake.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:26 No.2666760
    ITT rednecks, racists and fascists are platinum mad becuz they got schooled
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:26 No.2666764
    >>2666736

    If the right keep pushing their "NO IMMIGRATION OR WE'LL KILL YOUR CHILDREN" agenda then yeah, that's what we'll get.

    And looking at the numbers I'm pretty sure you will be destroyed.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:26 No.2666778
    >>2666758
    Poppet hymen til søsteren din. Gjelder det?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:27 No.2666785
    >>2666758
    Jeg har ikke kviser enda haha fucking failfag
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:27 No.2666788
    >>2666668

    Haha. En kompis og jeg bruker faktisk å lese på VGD for moro skyld. Antallet idioter er sjokkerende høyt.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:27 No.2666794
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    >>2666736
    >immigration or i'll kill you
    Makes me hard as a rock
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:27 No.2666795
    >>2666153
    Breivik actually seems to be an pretty intelligent guy. His problem is that he is completely devoid of any human feelings. He's cold and calculating.

    His points are valid, but his actions are not.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:27 No.2666796
    >>2666764
    So your victory is when all the white people are dead? You realise most white people aren't the "nazis"

    You are a suicidal idiot.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:28 No.2666802
    >>2666764
    >>2666736
    >>2666698
    And so easily we went from a moment of calm, funny and rational debate into good oldfashioned /pol/ posting
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:28 No.2666813
    >>2666663
    Yes. The court is biased. They just dismissed a judge from the case for posting on Facebook the day after the attacks, saying that the death penalty is what he deserves. I mean the same thing should happen to this judge.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:29 No.2666816
    >>2666764

    The problem with your analysis, as has been with shitloads of left-wing analysis, is that you're playing conditionalities in a steady-state society.

    What you really need to do is play around with all the variables. Such as: "Will this still happen if 80% of Paris is a black/arab shitghetto?"
    >> Why have stormfags grown soft on terrorism Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:29 No.2666820
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    Only thing separating Breivik and Bin Laden is the question of which version of the big wizard in the sky we should pray for.

    On all other accounts they're the same.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:29 No.2666830
    It's time to wipe out any nazi or fascist elements from the body politic. They are a cancer on the fabric of society and must be dealt with swiftly and without remorse.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:29 No.2666832
    >>2666795
    But it really didn't help that he basically said most of his education were from reading english articles on wikipedia though. I appreciate the honesty, but.. Well, wikipedia isn't exactly school of life.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:30 No.2666835
    >>2666820
    He is an atheist. Last I checked atheists don't pray.
    >> David Cameron !!Pe8/IxcXVF4 04/17/12(Tue)12:30 No.2666836
    Question for those that support multiculturalism do you think when Whites are a minority that the people you're importing will be as tolerant of us as we are to them now?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:30 No.2666845
    >>2666820
    Because it's not like Breivik did his act for cultural reasons and Bin Laden did his for sovereignty reasons.

    Noooooo. Gotta keep it with religion, that's nice and simple.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:30 No.2666847
    >>2666796

    My victory is when all murder approving facists are driven from my country.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:30 No.2666848
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    >>2666778
    >>2666785
    Å herregud så umodne dere er. Jeg skjems over å være nordmann.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:30 No.2666850
    >>2666795
    >pretty intelligent guy
    >dropped out of high school and played WoW full time for two years
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:30 No.2666851
    >>2666835

    He's a christian.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:31 No.2666859
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    >>2666835
    >murders 77 people
    >he's an atheist

    THERE'S a surprise
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:31 No.2666867
    >>2666796
    >So your victory is when all the white people are dead?
    DEATH TO HONKEY
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:32 No.2666880
    >>2666813
    Sounds like it's the judge that's biased. That court can't be neutral if he's going around saying that they should kill the guy.

    Not that I support Breivik at all, I don't.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:32 No.2666882
    >>2666847
    and no one can criticise unrestricted immigration, multiculturalism, ethnic crime and muslims?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:32 No.2666884
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    >>2666847
    Yes, it is all about the FASCISTS.

    ANTIFA ANTIFA


    On a scale of 1 to butthurt, how butthurt are you that Breivik is the Che Guevara of modern times?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:32 No.2666885
    >>2666848
    Bare trolling på en kar som gikk til personangrep på et enkelt ord (failtard)

    You get what you ask for.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:33 No.2666897
    is there a translated recording of the trial somewhere?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:33 No.2666905
    >>2666813

    >dismiss guy who is biased
    >get called biased yourself

    Lol. What is this? Logic, women edition?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:33 No.2666908
    >>2666850
    >self-made millionaire by 24

    Yeah nah yer a cunt
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:33 No.2666909
    >>2666845
    Hell, Bin Laden sendt his fucking sons to business school to ensure their future outside his little gang of merry (dead) men.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:33 No.2666912
    >>2666719
    If he had actually killed foreigners or important people he would probably have much more public sympathy.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:34 No.2666915
    >>2666830
    >It's time to wipe out any nazi or fascist elements from the body politic. They are a cancer on the fabric of society

    Yes, the wholesome unity of all elements of society - the state, the corporations, the people - all working together and for each other is threatened by these fascists. They must be destroyed! ERADICATE THE THREATS!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:34 No.2666916
    >>2666880

    That's why they DISMISSED him. But obviously there is not a single person in Norway that doesn't have an opinion on the case. Sometimes you can't be unbiased
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:34 No.2666922
    >>2666897
    use google translate and goto http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/22-juli/rettssaken/artikkel.php?artid=10065238
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:34 No.2666924
    >>2666882
    Yes. Breivik has clearly shown that those are radical elements who will not stop at murder. It's time to outlaw all fascist parties. If you're supporting framskrettspartit you should loose your job and be sent back to school until you learnt your lesson.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:34 No.2666929
    >>2666897
    see
    >>2666153
    >http://pastebin.com/zzq4KKXK
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:35 No.2666938
    >>2666835
    Last time I checked atheists aren't allowed to be Freemasons.
    The Freemasons are supposedly Christians. They're really not though. They are the biggest group of Satanists in the world.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:35 No.2666940
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    >>2666845

    >cultural reasons

    What are you blabbering about. Liberal arts fag?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:35 No.2666942
    >>2666908
    LOL
    >I gots secrit money that I will not show anyone because they are secrit
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:35 No.2666944
    >>2666882

    They can critizise whoever they wan't. They can't expect people to like them for it and they can't kill people because of it.

    Simple really.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:36 No.2666953
    >>2666924
    Just one party?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:36 No.2666958
    >>2666908
    >Who lives with his mom
    Just like the rest of them.
    Getting day money from mom doesn't make you a millionaire
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:36 No.2666960
    >>2666912
    If he had attacked a Mosque then I'd have killed myself by now.

    Norwegian politicians would have stood on the side of the street, pulled their pants down and bent over. When a muslim came the politician would ask: "Lube?", and mostly the muslims would very deservedly just ignore it and fuck them in the ass, but as they gradually got forgiven for the sins of Norway the muslims would increasingly be happy to use lube. Stoltenberg would be enriched daily and we would live in harmony.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:36 No.2666963
    >>2666940
    That's the reason Breivik killed 77 people. To protect Norwegian culture.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:37 No.2666970
    >>2666915
    This. The xenophobic parties have shown themselves foreign to scandinavian culture. They are constantly creating discord and violence. Outlaw the shit, and if the shoes dont fit, send them off to subsaharan africa
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:37 No.2666979
    >>2666938
    This, my uncle was a member, and he was forced to drink from a skull while chanting "bloody mary" 12 times in front of a mirror in a dark room.

    He disappeared in 1997/07/7
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:38 No.2666992
    >>2666970
    0/10
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:39 No.2667004
    >>2666944
    Ah, but this is the little bit of funny theory.

    There is a point at which a view cannot be presented or discussed in a democracy. Left-wingers very intentionally pushed immigration policy past that point. Democracy was hence not able to serve people who opposed immigration, and Breivik chose an alternative route.

    U mad?

    In fact I'm pretty sure the Norwegian state even said precisely this in an interview with a foreign news channel just after 22. july. Because it was meant for foreigners they didn't have to crank up the national propaganda volume.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:40 No.2667018
    >>2666953
    No, any party that clearly embraces the tenets of social liberalism and a free and open society will be allowed. We'll outlaw enemies of the state and the people, like Fremskrittspartiet, Breivik, etc
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:40 No.2667023
    >>2666836
    You cant ask multicults/ antiracists to think or abstract. They only hear and repeat: No racists on our streets. No racists on our streets etc
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:40 No.2667026
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    ITT norwegian neo-marxists got:

    [ ] not told
    [ ] told
    [ ] really told
    [x] Tolders Toldring Toldvik
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:40 No.2667029
    >>2667018
    But breivik is not an enemy of the states, only of the elites.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:41 No.2667038
    >>2666992
    To far up your ass, nazi scum? Better get ready for the final solution we got in store for you :D
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:42 No.2667056
    >>2667018
    You do realize that you'd have to purge at least 30% of your people. The democracy failed Breivik, he had no other outlets other than violence. This is the real reason behind the attacks. If you try to puch your anti-democratic policies even further, there will simply be more Breiviks.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:42 No.2667059
    >>2667026

    Convincing people with boxy images

    God that's pro shit
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:42 No.2667060
    >>2667026
    >That cunt
    What are you, from /b/, you subhuman scum? I'm a proud nationalist, and even i hate you.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:43 No.2667072
    >>2667029
    He committed acts of terror in the heart of Norway. He is clearly a terrorist and enemy of the state. Anyone who aids and abets him or lends him moral support are threats in need of removal by the state
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:44 No.2667082
    Awesome logic, ladies. If you are against multiculturalism, you are a nazi apparently. SO GOOOOOOD.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:44 No.2667083
    >>2667004

    And people who reason like that should be driven out or killed.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:44 No.2667088
    >>2667072
    Once in prison, your mom and sisters will be SO wet for him (women LOVES sociopathic killers). Better remove them to, for good measures.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:45 No.2667090
    >>2667056
    >30% of your people
    Dream on, fascist. When push comes to shove, most people will fall in line. The remaining 1% we remove from Norwegian territory. Problem solved.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:45 No.2667099
    >>2667038
    You have dug your own grave. Nazies and Islamists will ally and hang your anarchist asses from bridges and lightpoles. Breivik is a distraction, an atempt to put natural allies as nazies ans Islamists against eachother.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:46 No.2667102
    >>2666938
    Actual freemason here. This is not true. Freemasons are not christains, in fact. Because of our dwindling numbers, and less and less white males joining we've changed drastically over the past 10 or so years.
    We take on anyone, of any color, and as long as they have "any form of religion, with a god they worship" they are allowed access to becoming a freemason.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:46 No.2667104
    >>2667082
    And disliking facist goverments that buttrapes your rights is apparently a liberal hippie that suck black and yellow dicks.

    Just another day at the most tolerant and loving board of 4chan.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:46 No.2667116
    >>2667090

    See

    >>2666816

    If there's an anti-immigration uprising today, naturally. If there's one when there is civil war in France and Oslo is uninhabitable, then, hmm.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:47 No.2667119
    >>2667102
    >actual freemason here
    You don't really need to announce that. Most people on /pol/ are freemasons.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:47 No.2667125
    >>2667088
    In Scandinavian countries - in contrast with the slavic shithole you're posting from - women are strong and free. They'll stand at the border cheering as the fascists are frogmarched to the ferry to forced exile
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:47 No.2667127
    >>2666884
    This is shooped, right?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:47 No.2667129
    >>2667102
    Then why have you started to allow women into your ballsack club? We all know they are soulless husks incapable of loving the one true God almighty.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:48 No.2667130
    >>2667104
    >facist
    inigomontoya.jpg
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:48 No.2667139
    >>2667119
    Brofist. You comming to the annual virgin sacrifice party this year? I hear they got a ripe blonde norwegian child to celebrate Anders and his sacrifice.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:48 No.2667142
    >>2667102
    It hasn't been Christians Only for a long time (if ever?), you failfag.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:48 No.2667144
    >>2667104

    Implying that all the people who are against multiculturalism support fascists. Awful logic cupcakes.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:49 No.2667148
    Oh good. Mods on /pol/.

    You know what, let's just get this shit out of the way.

    ISRAEL SUCKS AIDS SHIT, FUCK THE GAYS

    I await my execution.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:49 No.2667149
    >>2667099
    Anarchist? LOL. Social democratic master race here. We fucking OWN scandinavia. Nazis and islamists are lice that we crush beneath the boot heel on the way to work
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:49 No.2667154
    >>2667119
    Well, this may or may not be true, but I'm not entirely convinced a large portion of /pol/'s regulars are actual members of any masonic lodge.

    >>2667129
    Women, especially wives have always played a big roll on and behind the scenes of the lodge I attend. Maybe this isn't so at other places, but I would hardly call this a secret or anything ground breaking.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:49 No.2667155
    >>2667102
    Did your initiation ceremony contain pentagrams? If so, you're a Satanist. If not, you're probably not a real Freemason.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:49 No.2667161
    >>2667125
    Aren't Scandinavians supposed to be tolerant and not ahte on slavs?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:50 No.2667165
    >>2666848
    What are you, ANTI NORWEGIAN? BE PROUD OF YOUR PEOPLE, THESE TWO ARE YOUR OWN BLOOD, TRAITOR!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:50 No.2667166
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    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:50 No.2667174
    >>2667161
    In their eyes slavs are racists and therefore subhuman.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:50 No.2667179
    >>2667090
    So you are ready to stomp little children to death to quell dissent in the name of AUF, how mature
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:51 No.2667188
    >>2667116
    You're hilarious. Any 'civil war' would last a couple of days and then you and your brethren would have been wiped out. After that I doubt even .001% would support your lost cause, but those stupid enough we send off to Ghana or something
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:52 No.2667199
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    >>2663900

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HTOULCRTAE

    CIA can stop spamming this shit now

    kthxbai
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:52 No.2667201
    >>2667161
    >ahte
    I'm gonna assume you mean ate.

    Slavs are delicious when cooked. Why would we stop? Where would we get our powers from?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:52 No.2667206
    >>2667090

    This is why Europe is so fucked. Its their way or nothing. You sound incredibly fascist.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:53 No.2667216
    >>2667102
    >>2667142

    From the official site of Norwegian Order of Freemasons:

    Who can become a Freemason?
    According to tradition, only men can become members. They must be over 24 years, acknowledge their adherence to the Christian faith, have good conduct and an overall economy. Most professions are represented.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:53 No.2667222
    >>2667199
    >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HTOULCRTAE
    >7HTOULCRTAE
    >7
    Nice try, mason. We're wising up to your shit
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:53 No.2667227
    >>2667188

    Ah, how tedious.

    No, I'm referring to a state of the world where 80% of the population of several European countries is black/arab and the welfare system breaks down. Exactly who attacks who first won't matter that much. You're again so retarded that you are looking at this in a current-day perspective, whilst intelligent (not-Leftwinger) people actually look what probable developments in 10-20 years.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:54 No.2667228
    >>2664466

    These triple dubs speak the truth.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:54 No.2667234
    >>2667216
    However, you will only be accepted if two other members invites you to join.

    Just sayin'
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:55 No.2667249
    >>2667161
    Sure, as long as you dont act up on the internet, praising enemies of the state. After all, we've kicked your ass with ease plenty of times :D
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:55 No.2667257
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Architect_of_the_Universe

    If you're not a freemason then you cannot into G.A.O.T.U.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:55 No.2667259
    >>2667201

    No, no, that's no way to eat a slav. I'm Lithuanian and according to our ancient traditions slavs are best when boiled with sauerkraut and goose fat. Mmmmm the taste...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:56 No.2667270
    >>2667249
    Will you please stop trolling now?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:56 No.2667277
    >>2667228
    >reading through the whole previous thread
    >not a fag
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:57 No.2667282
    >>2667216
    >From the official site of Norwegian Order of Freemasons:

    Well, for one.. I'm American, living in the U.S, so I don't really know of, nor control what free masons do in norway. However what I say is true.

    The masons, at least where I am from, if they were to take up their exact codes and enforce them, would be out of members in just a few years.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:57 No.2667288
    >>2667179
    Stomp little children? No. But take them from you and put them in a social liberal foster home should do the trick.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:57 No.2667292
    >>2667259
    >sauerkraut
    Isn't that some german thing? I myself prefer to let them rot and ferment, and then eat them after dousing the bodies with strong industrial chemicals.

    Just like how i like my national food, Lutefish.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:57 No.2667295
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    >>2665929
    Why find it frightening? I find it inspiring that such people still exist, even in this insipid modern world.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:58 No.2667305
    >>2667216
    That is stunning. Well, Norway is a bit conservative in a few areas. Which is what we love about it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:59 No.2667331
    >>2667270
    Dude, I'm dead serious. This Breivik fuck and his apologists online has me raging badly. Enough with the kiddy gloves. You fucks are the minority and you're safety and shot at prosperity only exists at our discretion. Time you felt some pain
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:00 No.2667341
    >>2667234
    I know, but that doesn't change the fact that they're Satanist, now does it?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:00 No.2667345
    >>2667227
    Sorry, miswrote, I meant to say "80% of the capital".
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:00 No.2667350
    >>2667288
    Dine ideer will dø med vellferdstaten. Den samme velferdstaten som du ødelegger med innvandring og familiegjenforening. ALLE vet at liberale demokratier har svært kort levetid. Kanskje du forstår, når USA går til helvete.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:01 No.2667358
    >>2667331
    Wow dude. You are a legit psycho.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:01 No.2667359
    Just got in from college, what's this joke that he told and did they really laugh?

    Any sources/vids?

    that shit is hilarious if it occured
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:01 No.2667368
    >>2667331
    DERPA DRPR FASCIST DERPR RACIST DERP DERP DERPR
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:02 No.2667371
    >>2667331
    Så mye som 60% (ref:VGs avstemming for litt siden) av befolkningen er i mot ytterligere innvandring. Du er desillusjonert.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:02 No.2667377
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    >>2667350
    >ALLE vet at liberale demokratier har svært kort levetid. Kanskje du forstår, når USA går til helvete.
    Because then rightists show their true bloodlusting faces and start killing them to sate their evil carnal lusts?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:02 No.2667382
    >>2667018
    Snakker om frihet, vil forby demokratiske partier. IDIOT
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:02 No.2667383
    >>2667350
    The welfare state will never die, because at this very minute people are prospering more than they ever had in world history, especially in Norway which is the fucking most prosperous country on earth. But you're a threat to all those nice things. Can we afford to ignore the threat - that's the question.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:02 No.2667387
    >>2665934
    The muslims and Blacks aren't the ones who have destroyed the societies. It's the anti-Whites who have destroyed the societies using the muslims and Blacks.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:03 No.2667391
    >>2667371
    >:VGs avstemming for litt siden
    >VG
    Do i have to say it?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:03 No.2667393
    >nothern euro monkeys shitting up the thread with their mudspeak
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:04 No.2667409
    >>2667391
    Avstemningen var nok ikke helt nøyaktig nei, men den viser en generell trend i befolkningen som du ikke kan skyve under teppet lengre.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:04 No.2667419
    >>2667358
    Good luck with your 'revolution' there you fascist fuck. You might find the nice tolerant liberal majority turn psycho on you. That's what happens to minorities who act up.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:05 No.2667426
    >>2667393
    Snowspeak, please. Know your degarory remarks, anon! Filthy Mudspeak is for anyone south of Denmark! That's a scientific fact!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:05 No.2667434
    >>2667377
    lol

    One guy =/= all "rightists"

    You anti-Whites just suppress all dissidents until one guy has enough and freaks out. Then you say "look they are all crazy murderers! So they should not be able to speak!"

    If you had just allowed a free and open public discussion about White genocide occur, then Anders would probably not feel like he had to resort to these actions.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:06 No.2667442
    >>2667331
    Nigger liberal detected.

    Watch out, /pol/ we have an imminent chimpout on our hands. His primal monkey rage has been activated.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:06 No.2667447
    >>2667382
    Lol wut, u mad?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:06 No.2667453
    >>2667419
    Are you threatening my with death because you disagree with me politically?

    There is the "tolerant" anti-White left for you.
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    >>2667447
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:07 No.2667462
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    >>2667292

    Well there is a lot of dispute concerning eastern european dishes. I guess our claim to sauerkraut is as good as the germans', but most of our national cuisine was stolen by the jews, like potato pancakes and kugel. I will never forgive the jews for that.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:07 No.2667477
    >>2667409
    I'm just pointing out that VG isn't a good source on polls. I mean, just look at VGD. These are the kinds of people frequenting there, and they, both left and right, make us seem like balanced, unbiased and middle ground.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:08 No.2667499
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    >>2667462
    I like you.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:09 No.2667505
    >>2667453
    Daily reminder that Leftist are intolerant by nature.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:09 No.2667507
    >>2667382
    Antyder du at demokrati er en bra ting og er synonymt med frihet? IDIOT.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:09 No.2667519
    >>2667477
    Well, it is the largest newspaper in the country and it reaches out to the biggest demographic. Because the traitors refuse to let the people decide on whether or not Norway should be a multicultural state these polls are the closest you get to actually seeing just how many oppose it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:10 No.2667524
    >>2667442
    500 years of documented aryan farmers here, dear nazi. In the glorious corner of the globe that progressed farther than any of the other shit holes. But your values are a foreign pollution to all the nice things we built, and thus must be crushed thoroughly. Luckily, you're all so stupid and go and do stuff like Breivik, giving us the means to root you out.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:10 No.2667532
    Ask a european nationalist, anti-multicultural socialist anything.

    >MURRICANS
    >thinking socialism is negative
    >not realising every enlightened country is at least partially socialist.
    >thinking socialism = communism
    >thinking socialism = thought police
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:11 No.2667541
    >>2667453
    Look at the paranoia of the common right wing simpleton. Did I say I was threatening you with death? Did I write it anywhere? Are you peeing yourself right now?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:11 No.2667544
    >>2667532
    But socialism does equal thought police. Just look at the dire state of free speech in Europe today.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:12 No.2667549
    >>2667524
    Oh here we go. Anyone who opposes White genocide is a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews!!11
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:12 No.2667561
    >>2667519
    Håper du ikke antyder at VG, en bastion for venstre, har demokratiske og upåvirket polls?

    Når selv VG viser mot høre, da er det noe som ikke stemmer, og det er ikke fordi folk har stemt for det, men fordi det er manipulert av noen. Hadde dette vært fritt, hadde venstre rapa pollen som vanlig der.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:13 No.2667567
    >>2667453

    If you are a Brevik supporter you are a terrorist supporter. Terrorist supporters should be killed.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:13 No.2667570
    >>2667541
    Anyone can see read your comment and see what you were implying.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:13 No.2667571
    >>2667383
    LOL to this:
    Welfarestate will never die.
    Rome will never fall and TITANIC never sink?
    FYI: The purpose of nonwhite immigration is to bring down western civilization and destroy your beloved wellfarestate. By racemixing the elite wish to create a semiintelligen brown worker, more suitable for their postindustrial needs.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:13 No.2667578
    >>2667549
    Nazi, fascist, xenophobe, anti-islamist. Who gives a fuck? You're all disruptive and a threat to our societies. Let God sort you out after we've kicked you out :D
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:14 No.2667586
    >>2667549
    No, we're now a breivikthatwantstokill77kids
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:14 No.2667587
    >>2667571
    >LOL to this:
    Are you an 90 year old grandmother? Who the fuck in 2012 says "LOL to this"? Get on our level, grandma!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:16 No.2667603
    >>2667570
    LOL. What I was implying is for me to know. It's not up to your interpretation. But you're right - you just cant know who your neighbours are and just how 'liberal' they really are, can you.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:16 No.2667609
    >>2667567
    Not a "Breivik supporter" but I do agree with a lot of what he says. There are some anti-White and what they are doing is genocide and it should end.

    I don't think that the people he killed were responsible. I believe that is was the people running the camp who were responsible.

    This kind of thing is what the concept of free speech is developed for. Breivik noted that a lot of his anger was from not being able to speak and not having his view represented in the media. Free speech allows people to talk about their differences of opinion instead of resorting to violence like this.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:17 No.2667630
    >>2667609
    ad homine as usual, Titanick sunk, Rome fell
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:18 No.2667634
    >>2667434

    This. And this the irony.

    You could probably accuse Breivik and Peder Jensen of many things. Extreme and intentional intellectual dishonesty (i.e. conscious lies) is probably not one of them, apart from Breivik's fantasy organisations. If Breivik has written something in the manifesto then it's because he either believes it to be true or doesn't know but wants/hopes it to be true.

    This basically means that if all the retarded anti-racists had instead spent their time doing a very careful and detailed explanation of precisely why multiculture and immigration works, ALL of the different potential effects, ALL of the implications, a SHITLOAD of economic models, and gotten the best minds together to give a fair evaluation of the whole thing - then Breivik would probably not have done what he did.

    It's part of the really sick thing here, that they're basically like Fundamentalist Jihadists. They want, and NEED multiculture. They don't give a fuck about anything else. No explanation, no studies, no uncertainty.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:18 No.2667640
    >>2667571
    >Rome will never fall
    Fair comparison, I'm surprised at you my little confused winger. Our empire of tolerance, liberalism and social justice will last for 500 years or so - at least. Because it is superior to anything else in history. You should be so lucky you got to live in the nice, benevolent and prosperous society we built for you.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:18 No.2667641
    >>2667603
    Wow dude. Really?

    You are implying that anyone who does not agree to have their race destroyed should be killed by "liberals"

    WTF?
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    >>2667499

    I thank you, honorable sir/lady.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:19 No.2667649
    >>2667434
    >>2667634
    Dude, i was being sarcastic. I even posted something resembling trollface to make that more obvious...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:19 No.2667657
    >>2667383
    >The welfare state will never die,

    Well, I guess in 20 years time we will know which group of people get the gun to their head.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:20 No.2667667
    >>2667641
    >I CANT INTO READING COMPREHENSION BECUZ IM A DUMB NAZI HURR DURR
    :D
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:20 No.2667676
    >>2667649
    It doesn't matter if you meant it sarcastically as long as it was true, although in a pretty exaggerated fashion.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:21 No.2667679
    >>2667609

    Yeah free speech is great. But putting up a camp to support your political party warrants the death of 77 people? And the only one to blame is the person who tried to organize politically? You are contradicting yourself.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:21 No.2667680
    >>2667667
    >wants to kill people that disagree with him
    >calls others dumb nazis
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:21 No.2667685
    >>2667676
    Poe's law has already been mentioned several times. I mention it again.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:21 No.2667687
    >>2667657
    Sure we will. As long as you people sit down in the boat and stop acting up we might even have a nice, pleasant journey there
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:22 No.2667699
    >>2667679
    But we don't support his actions. We're trying to explain why he did it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:23 No.2667713
    >>2667680
    You're platinum mad right now aren't you? You're literally peeing your pants with rage :D
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:23 No.2667727
    >>2667713
    I need to visit /pol/ every time before i visit your sister as she is into peeing
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:24 No.2667737
    >>2667699

    You are assigning blame to the victim who did nothing except exercise their right to organize politically. That is not explaining, that is agreeing with Brevik.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:25 No.2667747
    Ok. Everyone calm down.

    No need to start freaking out and wishing death on other people.

    Yes. "Multiculturalism" is leading to the end of the White race and that is bad. White people who don't want to live in a multiracial society should not be forced to.

    No. Killing people who want to live in a multiracial society is not okay. If they want to live in a multiracial society they should be able to. Just like you should be able to live in a homogeneous society if you want to.

    Yes, freedom of speech is good. The free speech concept was developed so that violence would not be the answer to political differences. Pro-White people should be able to speak freely without going to jail or losing their jobs or called names.

    Basically if there are some multiracial countries like Brazil, Mexico etc... the White people who like that sort of thing can move there. Maybe even have a city like London or Paris be the official multiracial area. However the other people who like to live in a homogeneous White country should be able to and perhaps some countries like Canada or Germany should be for them.

    Problem solved.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:25 No.2667765
    >>2667727
    HAHAHA you tried to float your little 'you threatened me' schtick for awhile and now all you got is a 'your sister' joke??? I knew you had to be about 12 to be believe in anti islamism. You couldnt get close to my sister, seeing how both her and me are successful people and you smell :D
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:26 No.2667771
    >>2667640
    You have built nothing, perhaps your parents and grandparents. I am grateful for growing up in a prosperous society, providing me subsidized university education and acceptable healthcare. I loved it so much that I realized National Socialism as the only way to preserve it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:26 No.2667776
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    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:26 No.2667779
    >>2667737
    I haven't assigned blame to them. I believe in the right for anyone to freely believe what they want and say what they want.

    I'm simply saying that Breivik resorted to violence because he felt that the democracy failed him, that he was being oppressed. This is the exact same reason the Middle East is a hotspot of terrorist attacks - lack of free speech.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:27 No.2667792
    >>2667771
    >MUST DESTROY SOCIETY TO SAVE IT I HAZ NATINL SUCCHIOLISM HURR DURR
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:27 No.2667793
    Now, i'm sure this has been debated to death, but most political camps are more or less like any summer camp, where most kids, teens and young adult go to drink, fuck and have fun, not because of their strong political leanings.

    It's as harmless as (most) christian summer camps, or NASA's summer camps. It's just that a spesific political party pays the expenses, maybe even have a "what we're about" Q&A.

    While i know not these individuals, i guess many of them went simply to have fun, not to chant political slogans. Though ironically, Breivik's action has really made the survivors die hard supporters, if nothing to show comeradie with their dead friends.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:28 No.2667803
    >>2667747
    >Problem solved.
    Only if you castrate the muslims, they are fighting through their women's womb.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:29 No.2667818
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    >>2667793

    Nope.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:29 No.2667824
    >>2667765
    Glad i'm making someone laugh at least. I'm here just to joke, without caring for one side or the other. if someone laughs with my jokes, i'm glad :)
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:29 No.2667830
    >>2667779

    You said they were responisble children died. That is assigning blame.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:30 No.2667835
    >>2667765
    You do realize that this is an anonymous message board. I did not write that. Someone else did. You are putting multiple people into one personality.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:30 No.2667841
    >>2667830
    Please point me to where I said that.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:31 No.2667853
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    THE TRUTH MUST BE TOLD THOUGH THE WORLD CRUMBLE.

    THE TIMES ARE CHANGING BROTHERS. MAKE NO MISTAKE, THERE IS A WAR GOING ON, A WAR OF THE MINDS. DO NOT SUCCUMB TO THE SYSTEM, KEEP YOUR DIGNITY, AND YOUR VALUES, YOU MUST CARRY THEM FORTH THROUGH TIME, PRESERVE THEM, FOR OUR DUTY IS TO PASS THEM ON AND KEEP THEM ALIVE UNTIL TIMES ARE TRULY RIPE FOR MASSIVE CHANGE.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:31 No.2667859
    >>2667793
    According to the list of victims quite a few were quite political.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:31 No.2667863
    >>2667818
    Because one subcamp within the camp means they all are in it. Guess those evolutionists and creationist camps are really brainwashing kids in their camps as well.

    Let's be honest. You always have some diehard kids wanting to "impress" the camp leaders. Most don't.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:31 No.2667868
    >>2667841

    >I believe that is was the people running the camp who were responsible.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:31 No.2667870
    >>2667792
    Shut your ebonics nigger>>2667835
    Its called a compound personality, isn't it great
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:32 No.2667878
    >>2667818
    >mfw some days after it occurred I remember seeing some jews saying norway was receiving just punishment for being against israel and the jewish people
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:32 No.2667880
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    >>2667835
    >>2667824
    HAHAHA. Now - like the underage nazi you are - you embarassed yourself to the point where you had to backtrack and samefag like a fag :D
    Stay classy while you suck em jew dicks for cash, nazi boy
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:33 No.2667891
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    >>2667880
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:33 No.2667892
    >>2667868
    Will you please link to that comment, because I NEVER wrote that. Probably someone else.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:33 No.2667899
    >>2667859
    You know that what, 80% of norwegian population is classified as "christian lutherians", right? Because mom and dad feels it's tradition send them to church during confirmation. Still, i have never seen more debauchery amongst 15 years old than when i was in confirmation summer camp.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:34 No.2667911
    >>2667892

    >>2667609
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:34 No.2667920
    >>2667880
    Shit, you seem to be laughing damn hard. Maybe i should become a comedian or some shit. I clearly have a talent.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:35 No.2667927
    >>2667870
    Dude, I feel sorry for you. You need to be more successful in your samefaggotry, because my gaydar is tingling and it's pointing in your direction. My response was short and to the point, addressing your rather juvenile attempt at discourse.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:36 No.2667947
    >>2667911
    Yeah, that was someone else. Only Breivik himself is responsible for the attacks. Though, the lack of free speech and blatand disregard for the wishes of the people will inevitably create people like Breivik.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:36 No.2667955
    >>2667947
    blatant*
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:37 No.2667960
    >>2667920
    You do, just like Adolf. That dude had great oneliners and an amazing invisible testicle.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:37 No.2667972
    >>2667927
    >Call them samefag when you were wrong, that should shut them all up!
    Just like those guys screaming Racist, Facist and what else.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:38 No.2667980
    >>2667899

    That might well be true.

    The analogy here would be that we looked at a list of participants at a confirmation camp and half of them were "Head of Oslo Young Catholics" and "Trainee Head of the Nun Convent".

    Yes, I'm totally going to accept that there were probably quite a few with only a limited link to AUF. But also a lot with a strong political link to AUF.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:38 No.2667981
    >>2667792
    No save if possible. Do you think its possible?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:38 No.2667991
    >>2667960
    I know, he's my rolemodel :)
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:38 No.2667994
    >>2667972
    >cant tell if this is one more samefag
    OH YES IT IS :D
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:40 No.2668014
    Why are leftist so butthurt? I don't understand...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:40 No.2668016
    >>2667980
    And thus it's okay that the guys who were there for cheap booze bought by older kids should die as well.

    I mean, why couldn't Breivik just kill someone who wasn't afflicted with AUF at all just to make that point clear enough?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:40 No.2668020
    >>2667947

    And the US capitalist system will inevitibly create groups like al qaida
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:41 No.2668028
    >>2667981
    Seriously, I don't really think we need saving. Demographic trends are no big threat to 'welfare'. Maybe a slight decrease in benefits and thats it. And young immigrants add more to revenue than an aging population on pensions anyway...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:41 No.2668042
    >>2668020
    No, the lack of free spech and democracy in the middle east is what creates groups like al-qaida.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:43 No.2668060
    >>2668042
    And funding from CIA to fight evil communists and then promply let the war veterans who knows nothing but war on their own, don't forget.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:43 No.2668065
    >>2668028
    >young immigrants add more to revenue
    It's a net loss once you account for their future retirement and their welfare, also account for the fact they barely pay tax. Don't get me started with the fake refugee.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:43 No.2668069
    >>2668042
    Sure is good america can bomb some democracy in to their brains then.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:44 No.2668090
    >>2668069
    Every member of NATO has blood on their hands. Don't blame innocent USA for that alone.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:45 No.2668101
    >>2668016

    Sometimes it's hard to hit in the right spot when you strike.

    Norwegian or Danish planes most likely killed Gadaffi's son. Did they know there were no family friends in the house? Did they know there were no sympathetic civilians inside?

    Some teenagers were killed even when they obviously weren't related to what Breivik saw as a monumental crime, that I agree with.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:45 No.2668110
    >>2668065
    >It's a net loss once you account for their future retirement and their welfare, also account for the fact they barely pay tax.
    Even assuming this is true, for the sake of argument, that would entail immigration mitigating the impact of an aging population in the near future, pushing revenue problems off further into the future....
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:45 No.2668113
    >>2668042

    There will always be people who disagree with you. And some of those people will try to kill you.

    Who you assign blame to is up to you.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:45 No.2668115
    >>2668090
    u started it!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:46 No.2668133
    >>2668020
    >And the US capitalist system will inevitibly create groups like al qaida

    That's what Norwegian academics have been saying for a decade.

    Why so butthurt when saying that Arbeiderpartiet created Breivik?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:47 No.2668147
    >>2668115
    Then why didn't u speak up? Too afraid? Or actually agreeing, but using USA as a scrapegoat for future hate?

    Don't make me come down there and bash your head until you understand we're innocent and yet all in this together, Europe!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:47 No.2668152
    >>2668028
    It's not "demographic trends"

    It's genocide.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:47 No.2668154
    >>2668110
    >account for the fact they barely pay tax
    Unless they're self employed this is of course the responsibility of the employer - not the individual.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:49 No.2668173
    >>2668152
    That's a nonsensical statement
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:49 No.2668181
    >>2668101
    Would you be sympathic to, say, a school shooter if your own kid, niece or whatever died simply for no other reason than being in that very school?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:50 No.2668201
    >>2668110
    >mitigating the impact of an aging population
    Why do we need to do that?
    Can't we have program to encourage native breeding instead?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:51 No.2668220
    >>2668181
    Not the same guy, but I wouldn't allow my sons to take part in the white genocide.
    If they still go, they are dead to me.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:51 No.2668224
    >>2668201
    Encourage how? Forced rape programs?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:53 No.2668256
    >>2668224
    motherhood salary, social program to allow for women to stay in society when hving kids, tax cut for native only.
    Anything that boost the moral.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:53 No.2668257
    >>2668201
    Encouraging native breeding is a way to mitigate the impact of an aging population, not an alternative. Dont you guys do logic?

    Anyways, sure we can and we are doing that. There are plenty of incentives in our countries to have a child. You get money from the state, subsidized child care etc. Do you have any additional ideas that we havent tried yet? Breeding at gunpoint? Free rape? Outlaw abortion?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:53 No.2668261
    >>2668224
    Restoring family values would be a good start but thats backward dumb conservative christian nazi homophobic patriarch bullshit so I don't know.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:54 No.2668277
    >>2668181

    It's impossible to put myself in that situation. I would have to imagine that I had done something to someone or something they cared about, just like Arbeiderpartiet has done things that Breivik cared about.

    If I was the head of Union Carbide after Bhopal and some indian guy shot up my family, I would probably be filled with a lot of different feelings, but a small part of it at a later date would be acknowledgement that there was at least some consistency in his actions.

    I don't expect someone who had family members who died that day to be rational about it. That doesn't explain why Norwegian left-wing academics who were so eager to "understand" how USA caused 9/11 are so voluntarily lobotomising themselves. Obviously it's far closer to home, but the hypocrisy can still be called out.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:55 No.2668286
    >>2668256
    >motherhood salary
    This will infact decrease productivity and revenue, worsening the future demographic/revenue problem. That's the problem we're concerned with, right? It's not just that we dont like arabs?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:56 No.2668307
    >>2668256
    So make people have children for financial gain?

    What could possible go wrong.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:57 No.2668315
    >>2668224
    If you made women homemakers instead of workers/students, the fertility would increase to 3+. It would however mean a steep decline in gdp and realestate prizes.
    Howto: en feminist indoctrination. Stop finansing gender and art studies
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:57 No.2668316
    >>2668277
    Sorry, I misread:

    No, if my kids just went to the same school as the kids in question and got killed, I'd probably be filled with rage and grief. In all directions - the shooter and the company and the school and the people involved. I don't expect those who have family that got killed without being AUF-affiliated to feel differently at all and can very much sympathise. The world is a bad place sometimes.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:57 No.2668322
    >>2668256
    >social program to allow for women to stay in society when hving kids
    We have that, it's called subsidized daycare, etc.
    >tax cut for native only
    Why would that solve the problem? Norwegians wont have more incentive to have kids just because sand niggers have less incentives..
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:57 No.2668326
    >>2668286
    >decrease productivity and revenue
    How? You can't sacrifice the future of your race for money with no consequence.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:59 No.2668344
    I can't agree with this guy because if he really hated mudslimes than he should have taken a few of them out instead.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:59 No.2668345
    >>2668326
    Insanity, nihilism
    >> LoveandTolerance !7UMqukPT9Y 04/17/12(Tue)13:59 No.2668349
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    So you Nazis think it is ok to kill members of opposition? So by that logic I can go out and kill a bunch of nazis and their brainwashed followers?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:59 No.2668353
    >>2668256

    If money is the deciding point over wether or not you should have children. You should probably not have children.

    Either you're poor, in which case you should not breed and let natural selection do it's work.

    Or you're greedy, in which case you should not have children as they are not supposed to be a source of income.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:59 No.2668354
    >>2668316
    That's a reply i can respect. Good to see someone on /pol/ can keep a realistic view on both themselves and circumstances.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)13:59 No.2668355
    >>2668261
    The only practical "values" program that would work to increase birth rates would be to outlaw abortion and ban contraceptives. Then you get a working class of white niggers, rife with the same social programs, unemployment and crime that you dislike in immigrants...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:00 No.2668364
    >>2668349
    wat
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:01 No.2668378
    >>2668349
    It is okay to kill left-wingers who work hard to destroy what they see as "White Society" through immigration and multiculturalism, yes.

    It is not okay to kill those who work to protect the people of their nations from both this immigration and the people responsible, no.

    Pretty simple. Any questions?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:02 No.2668389
    >>2668326
    >How? You can't sacrifice the future of your race for money with no consequence.
    If woman are payed to raise children then that means increased government spending and decreased revenue since they dont work and pay taxes. Thus worsening the fiscal situation that we were concerned about.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:03 No.2668413
    >>2668355
    *social problems
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:03 No.2668415
    >>2668378
    what's it like to be so delusional? why do white people keep forgetiing the meaning of the word "civilization"?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:04 No.2668422
    >>2664216
    The biggest argument for immigration (not exactly the same as multiculturalism), is that the immigrants are grateful to any leaders letting them stay. Furthermore, immigrants are often cheap labor and rising birth rates. If immigrants eventually assimilate, there's no problem. But if they refuse to assimilate, there will be cultural problems. Look at the Sharia law controversy in the UK.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:04 No.2668424
    >>2668415
    I think that's one of the words that was at the forefront of Breivik's mind.
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    >It is okay to kill left-wingers who work hard to destroy what they see as "White Society" through immigration and multiculturalism, yes.
    They are not trying to destroy "white society" and immigration and multiculturalism is actually a good thing. Just look at the U.S. Diversity makes powerful nations.


    Plus why do you Nazis support Breivik when he supports Israel and you people hate Israel.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:06 No.2668458
    >>2668378

    That's funny. I think the exact opposite. Guess we have to agree to kill eachother over our differences.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:07 No.2668474
    >>2668458
    So you think it's okay to kill people who are defending you and you think it's not okay to kill people who try to destroy your nation?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:07 No.2668477
    >>2668458
    And history repeats like so many times before.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:07 No.2668489
    >>2668422
    - Grateful to a leader: well, leaders change regularly. I often struggle to see this gratefulness.

    - Birth rate: Unless you have the Ponzi system of welfare, then this isn't necessary.

    - Cheap labour: This is great for companies, but bad for the people. Immigrants only raise the GDP/capita if the value of their work is above it. (values above an average increase the average and vica versa).

    The key thing: If you actually say "I will prioritise the population of my home country over others", then immigration is almost guaranteed to be a bad deal. No Norwegian left-wing party could ever speak these words, it would be blasphemy.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:08 No.2668492
    >>2668422
    >But if they refuse to assimilate, there will be cultural problems
    This is an absurd hypothetical. 2nd generation immigrants will by necessity have assimilated more than their parents did, just by growing up in the country and going to public school. The next generation will pretty much be native scandinavian, albeit with darker skin and maybe working class / social problems etc.

    Look at the blacks in america. Say what you will about them, they got some social problems. But they're most certainly assimilated Americans, and they pretty much came from a hut on the savannah...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:08 No.2668496
    >>2668424
    Yeah, because opening fire on a bunch of defenseless children over something they probably had no choice over is sooooooo civilized.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:08 No.2668502
    Breivik does have a point. Immigrants are being imported in mass across all of western europe and nobody got to vote on it. Most people are dissatisfied about it but they feel like they can't do anything about it. Any mention to stem the flow of immigrants is silenced.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:10 No.2668524
    >>2668492

    I guess that's the question that will decide how things go in Norway.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:10 No.2668525
    >>2668474

    Yeah, sure, turns out I do. See you on the streets.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:11 No.2668547
    >>2668496

    The actions of Norwegian left-wingers are unforgivable, extremely and monumentally evil.

    The AUF youth joined up to that movement and actively took part in and promoted it. Maybe there were better targets. But Arbeiderpartiet is a party it makes sense to hate.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:13 No.2668575
    >>2668502
    >nobody got to vote on it
    We get to vote on it every four years, like with everything else...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:13 No.2668580
    >>2668378
    >implying the kids he killed were even politically aware of all the shit the paranoid murderer accusses them.
    >implying he was too much of a pussy to kill muslims
    >implying killing "his own people" is just giving more strenght to the muslim community, which are not divided.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:15 No.2668609
    >>2668524
    Things seems to be going fine so far.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Very_high_human_developmen
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    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:17 No.2668647
    >>2665237
    China is linguistically homogenous on top of everything else. Everyone speaks Chinese.

    I don't think most Americans would mind hispanics so much if they'd speak English. Also, if they wouldn't form street gangs.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:17 No.2668663
    >>2668547
    >He thinks wanting a balanced world where every culture can live next to each other happy and friendly is "evil".
    I feel sad for you. Also, those kids were in just a fucking camp for fun. Nobody takes politics so serious at that age.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:19 No.2668690
    >>2668609
    True. That chart is of course totally irrelevant, since the current wealth the Scandinavian nations enjoy today was built up during and time and by people who grew up when society was far more conservative and far less immigrant-friendly than today.

    Some effects are immediate, and some effects are multi-generationally lagged. The young people who were raised in the "most recent" social democratic tradition do show fairly high rates of mental incapacitation, but maybe not excessively high.

    Again, let's see how it goes.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:20 No.2668707
    >>2668663
    I know perfectly well what their intentions are. Their intentions are good.

    Their actions and their lack of willingness to moderate their intentions and emotions are evil.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:23 No.2668744
    >>2668489
    Exactly what I mean. Immigration of the lower classes and cheap labor is good for the immigrants and good for the leaders. It's not really that great for the citizens.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:26 No.2668790
    >>2668547
    >The AUF youth joined up to that movement and actively took part in and promoted it.

    more like

    >a bunch of parents forced their kids to go to a camp, so killing those kids is a good way to get back at their parents

    killing people is murder. killing a society is a necessity for human advancement.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:28 No.2668824
    >>2668790

    OK, sure. Everyone/almost everyone on the island did not really want to go and were only there because their parents forced them.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:28 No.2668825
    >>2668707
    >Their actions and lack of willingness...

    But thats exactly what Breivik did. He was unable to control his emotions on the topic and mass murdered a bunch of kids which only transformed his otherwise debatable point of view into a political incorrect argument.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:28 No.2668834
    >>2668575
    But you vote on a packet not a specific issue and voting against immigration also means voting for people who don't encourage laziness so most people go fuck no!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:31 No.2668876
    >Brevik did it because the right is supressed politically!
    >Those kids deserve to die because they engaged in politics!

    Oh when will you people stop being clinically retarded
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:31 No.2668877
    >>2668690
    >the current wealth the Scandinavian nations enjoy today was built up during and time and by people who grew up when society was far more conservative and far less immigrant-friendly than today.
    By 'conservative' I assume you mean 'socially conservative'?

    The scandinavian countries became wealthy under the lead of their respective social democratic parties. The move towards social liberalism happened in tandem with the increase in living standards, as they were both policies of the Social Democrats.

    Anyway, unless you're talking about the Norwegian oil fund, no welfare in the Scandinavian countries is paid for with any old riches accumulated in racially purer days. It's paid for with the taxes we pay each year. The wealth we have now is the wealth we earn now. And I fail to see a problem. The Scandinavian countries are the richest countries in the world - with immigrants. Norway is THE most developed country in the world. It's just that the flat earth society says they have to kill kids because the Nostradamus of Eurabia said so...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:32 No.2668896
    >>2668647
    There's no such thing as the Chinese language. Chinese people speak mostly Mandarin and some speak Cantonese.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:33 No.2668925
    But Islam does NOT want to be multicultural. Islam is anti all other religions, atheists, WOMEN, gays, etc. They'll Taqyia you until they got numbers, and then...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:34 No.2668934
    >multiculturalism ends the white race
    >culture ends race
    I see you all are in the same level of ignorance and imbecility as Breivik. You can't tell the difference of culture and race the same way you can't tell your assholes from a hole in the ground.
    It's a good thing that you will never be able to leave your basements and trailer parks.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:34 No.2668942
    >>2668824
    even if each and every one of those kids said "I want to go to that camp!" without any coercion from their parents do you really think they cared about politics? Think about how young most of the victims were.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:35 No.2668962
    >>2668825

    Then you're into a mix of causation and evil.

    Bob shoots John. As John bleeds, he stabs Bob. Was the stabbing an evil act?

    It's mainly a semantic discussion.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:36 No.2668983
    >>2668942

    This is an irrelevant question since 100% of the participants have already agreed to the multiple-times-made assertion that ~100% of the youths were forced to by their parents.
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    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:37 No.2668993
    people bitching about the "kids"
    see
    >>2664953
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:39 No.2669026
    >>2668925
    Islam is not a monolith. If you're talking Salafist Wahabism, then sure.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:40 No.2669036
    >>2668934
    >It's a good thing that you will never be able to leave your basements and trailer parks.
    Likewise.
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    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:42 No.2669069
    >>2668877

    >The scandinavian countries became wealthy under the lead of their respective social democratic parties.

    This is true in part. They also became wealthy under the lead of their respective conservative parties.

    But the implicit assertion made earlier was that somehow when the social democrats of TODAY have plans for the future based on circumstances TODAY, then these plans are going to "go well" because the plans of PAST social democrats have, for their partial contribution to Norwegian wealth under PAST circumstances, gone well.

    I mean, literally. That's what's being said.

    There's just holes in this like a Swiss cheese:

    1. Getting one set of plans right yesterday does not need to say much about whether your plans today will succeed

    2. The people are different people. It's just a label and a general strand of ideology.

    3. The circumstances are different. The welfare state looks threatened now with increasing young non-workers.

    4. Sure, people who grew up partially affected by social-democratic and right-wing policies yesterday have helped create wealth the wealth of today. But whether the policies of today creates the wealth of tomorrow is a totally different question.

    And a shitload more. My basic point is, saying that because the left-wingers have decided that immigration is good, and Norway is not a shitpile, then everything to do with immigration and multiculturalism will in the future go well, is crazy.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:44 No.2669095
    >>2669069
    >the left-wingers have decided that immigration is good

    Actually, history and economics have decided that.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:48 No.2669159
    >>2669069
    Talking Sweden and Norway they have both been ruled by Social Democrats for pretty much 80% of the time, post WWII.

    The rest of your post is irrelevant. You're the ones asserting coming demographic doom and even genocide. That's an extraordinary claim that demands extraordinary proof.

    What we do know is that Sweden and Norway have prospered unlike any other countries on earth under Social Democratic, socially liberal, governments for the most part of the last 60 years. They are prospering still.

    There's no doom in sight.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:51 No.2669200
    >>2669095

    If immigration helps the economy, how come that Iceland can have a PPP-adjusted GDP per capita that is higher than the one for France?

    Are you saying that if 20 million people migrated to Iceland then the GDP per capita would skyrocket, like, go past the US, past Luxembourg, the average GDP per person would just shoot up?
    >> David Cameron !!Pe8/IxcXVF4 04/17/12(Tue)14:56 No.2669272
    That feel when listening to the Anders manifesto just for the music because its so soothing.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:56 No.2669275
    >>2668993
    they were mostly kids from 12 to 17 years old. gtfo
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:58 No.2669301
    >>2669159

    And at the same time, conservative parties have always influenced society strongly. The modern "social democratic" left-wing consists in part of more extreme left-wingers that were beaten down during the Cold War. So does the credit for Norway's wealth go to LO who have pushed for higher salaries or for NHO who have resisted it? We can happily talk at length about various contributory causes, but saying "It is due to the Social Democrats!" is retarded.

    Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence? Sorry, this is rhetorical retardation again. Is the "claim" that must be proved to 99% probability that things will go badly? Or is the "claim" that must be proved that things will go well? And if something is not "Proved", but only "More Likely Than Not", why discount it?

    The situation today is different than the situation was 50 years ago. It seem you are actually making a claim that because things went well 50 years ago extraordinary evidence must be presented for why things won't go well today. That is simply not the case. Anyone who claims anything has an equal burden of proof and the deciding factor is a balance of probability.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:58 No.2669306
    >>2664646

    I agree, but it depends on where you live. The street I live in has more immigrants than norwegians, and it's also the street where most rapings occur, a friend of mine got chased by a guy once in the middle of the night, the streetlights were on and there were people there but no one gave a shit. So it's a vast difference from place to place.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:05 No.2669397
    >>2669159
    Sweden got rich thanks to relatively free market and staying the fuck away from WW2.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:15 No.2669530
    Might as well name this thread "Stormfag circlejerk".
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:25 No.2669644
    >>2669275
    This has been addressed elsewhere in the thread, and is factually incorrect, the youngest killed was 14(all else was above). In fact, he spared those under that age, because he thought them not yet completely lost to the brainwashing.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:27 No.2669664
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    >>2669530

    I always thought /pol/ was pretty much /stormfront/ just like it's predecessor.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:31 No.2669710
    >>2669530
    You mean free thinking circle jerk?
    You mad commie scum?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:32 No.2669717
    >>2669710
    >free thinking
    >do nothing but parrot the same old tired "14/88" rhetoric
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:34 No.2669744
    >>2669710
    >follows failed ideology based on hatred
    >calls it freethinking
    Sorry, palooka, you can't think, much less think freely.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:36 No.2669766
    I'm a liberal
    I'm a leftist
    I'm a socialist.
    I'm a nationalist.
    I'm not racist
    I don't hate blacks or Jews or anyone else.
    I admire and respect all other cultures
    I believe in gender equality
    I'm against feminism,because it's about female dominance, not equality
    I'm against affirmative action,because it makes race a factor in being accepted,which is racist
    I'm against multi-culturalism because it seems to be an anti-white ideology,which is racist
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:37 No.2669782
    >>2669710

    >free thinking

    As long as everyone thinks like you and doesn't point out the mountains of lies and bullshit you keep spewing out, right?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:41 No.2669838
    >>2669782
    >projecting
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:48 No.2669916
    >>2669838
    Oh, we do have a Ph.D. in Jungian Studies, here.
    Too bad you didn't finish high school. But that of course, doesn't prevent you for parroting words that you really don't understand. Fucking Brevik clones.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:50 No.2669934
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    >>2669916

    >Fucking Breivik clones

    I wish. The world would be a much more beautiful place.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:54 No.2669990
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    How does it feel mudslimes?
    You are supposed to be the terror experts, yet you got beaten by a white man.

    No dune coon has a such a high score
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:55 No.2669998
    >>2669934

    Plastic surgeons are busy enough without more fagjobs like Brevik getting work done.

    Nose and chin he had cosmetic surgery on wasn't it?

    fucking ponce
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:57 No.2670021
    >>2669998
    When you are good looking you get more support from wimminz.
    See the night stalker
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:58 No.2670035
    >>2669990
    >that eyebrow
    >>2669916
    >that censorship
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:01 No.2670069
    >>2669990

    >implying 9/11 isn't the highest score for a terror attack

    Mudslimes win at least one thing
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:07 No.2670124
    >>2670069

    inside job, does not count.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:07 No.2670129
    >>2668438

    >Look at the US, diversity makes for a powerful country

    Tell me you are trolling. America's decline is directly linked to the decline in the percentage of White Americans.

    And even if that weren't true, why aren't Brazil and South Africa world powerhouses because of their "diversity"?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:08 No.2670137
    >>2670069
    No. That wasnt ONE guy.

    That was a team of assholes with an unlimited oil money budget.

    No 1 man can match brev
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:10 No.2670164
    >>2670129
    not enough feminazis and communists
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:11 No.2670175
    >>2670137
    Life
    isnt a videogame, you autistic fuck.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:23 No.2670315
    Oh boy, just had another look at Norwegian newspapers.

    Yep, Breivik made the right choice.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:28 No.2670405
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    postan in a stormy sticky
    >> Libertarians to the Gas Chambers !!uPKdrNrz+AI 04/17/12(Tue)16:33 No.2670484
    .Gas that jew-cocksucking faggot Breivik
    -Crackdown on his supporters
    -Deport criminal immigrants
    -Restrict immigration to educated/rich Norweigen-fluent speakers with job prospects/investors
    There, I just saved Norway. Spread the word.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:35 No.2670513
    >>2664065
    Source please.
    >> Libertarians to the Gas Chambers !!uPKdrNrz+AI 04/17/12(Tue)16:37 No.2670554
    >>2670129
    >Tell me you are trolling. America's decline is directly linked to the decline of authoritative rule, discipline, protection of heritage, and state promotion of sciences/mathematics
    ftfy
    Why do you think Asians and Indians have higher test scores in almost every field? Hint: it's not because they're white.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:39 No.2670585
    >>2670484
    >-Crackdown on his supporters
    You're basically supporting him too.
    >Hint: it's not because they're white.
    It's because they try to be white
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:40 No.2670606
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17739105

    MSM finally admitting they got it wrong and Breiviks hand gesture was not a Nazi salute.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:42 No.2670629
    > Supplements Jewish Critical Theory with Reality.
    >Libtards fill the Grand Canyon with tears.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:55 No.2670817
    >>2669397
    And yet, Norway, Denmark and Sweden all got very wealthy through strong welfare systems and socially liberal policies. Pointing to Sweden's circumstances in WWII seems to be contradicted by the fact that Denmark and Norway saw fighting and still did very well.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:58 No.2670869
    >>2670817
    Sweden's economic growth halted after increasing welfare.
    >Pointing to Sweden's circumstances in WWII seems to be contradicted by the fact that Denmark and Norway saw fighting and still did very well.
    So what, Denmark and Norway did well so Sweden didn't benefit from being untouched during ww2?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:59 No.2670885
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17737085

    Breivik says he was not ashamed of what he did and would do it again.

    He does not recognise the court charging him.

    This guy is a total cultist, it's like if /pol/ ever walked off the edge nutcases like this would be the end result.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:59 No.2670890
    >>2669301
    >And at the same time, conservative parties have always influenced society strongly.
    Oh LOL that's just bullshit. We're talking the countries on earth where arguably (social) conservatism had the least influence, and those same countries are doing the best.
    >Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence?
    Yes. You are alledging demographic doom and some people even genocide. That's conspiracy theory territory. It's bullshit plain and simple. If you got proof, some scientif research - let's hear it. But you aint got nothing but what you and some other white trash said over a beer last friday.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:02 No.2670927
    >>2670869
    The proposition was that Sweden did well by staying out of WWII. Norway and Denmark didnt stay out of WWII, but did just as well. All three countries have had strong social liberalism and strong safety nets. All three countries continue doing well.... Do the math.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:02 No.2670928
    >>2670890
    >and those same countries are doing the best
    Slowly dying off due to decreasing birthrates is not what I'd call best.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:04 No.2670957
    >>2670928
    >Slowly dying off due to decreasing birthrates is not what I'd call best.
    All three countries are seeing their populations grow, year by year. Thus disproving "slowly dying off". Proving "slowly dying off" to be a complete and blatant falsehood.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:04 No.2670961
    >>2670927
    >The proposition was that Sweden did well by staying out of WWII.
    Which is true. I'm unaware of how Norway and Denmark got rich but Sweden did it because they stayed out of the war.
    >All three countries have strong social liberalism and strong safety nets.
    FTFY
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:06 No.2670986
    >>2670961
    Platinum mad fascist? All three countries have pursued similar policies. All three have done about as well. Again, do the math :D
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:06 No.2670987
    >/pol/ hates trayvon martin for throwing a few fists at a stalker
    >/pol/ thinks breivik who killed 77 unarmed civilian children to be a political hero

    lol
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:06 No.2670997
    >>2670928

    >Slowly dying off due to decreasing birthrates is not what I'd call best.

    Hurr their population isn't growing fast enough SHIP IN THE BROWN SKINS! durr

    Multicult scum I wish Brievik had headshot you.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:09 No.2671039
    >>2670986
    >Platinum mad fascist?
    Stopped reading there.
    Ok I didn't really. You still missed my point.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:09 No.2671052
    >>2670997
    I wish we had another Breivik, and maybe we could put all people like you before a firing squad or a labor camp in sapmi
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:11 No.2671081
    >>2671039
    >You still missed my point.
    You didnt have one - you just hate muslims
    >HURR DURR I HATEZ BROWN PPLZ
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:12 No.2671101
    >>2670890

    Sorry, you're mad. The Scandinavian countries, while implementing a range of left-wing policies, have also stuck with a large number of free-market policies. The economy isn't centrally planned, people can receive the income they can convince others to pay them, etc. Institutions like childbirth, marriage and confirmations are still doing strong. The Norwegian Far Left lost during the Cold War and people were convicted of spying for the Soviets.

    Your problem is mainly a cognitive one - you associate Scandinavia with left-wing policies fully and completely and hence trace any situation in Scandinavia fully and completely to left-wing policies. In reality the situation in Scandinavia can maybe be described as centre-left social policy, centre-right economic policy.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:13 No.2671106
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    >>2671052
    Bring it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:13 No.2671114
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    The noble white race will look back and realize how perfectly timed just his actions were. killing future race traitors by mass! The death of multiculturalism is almost upon us!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:13 No.2671127
    >>2670890

    >Yes. You are alledging demographic doom and some people even genocide.

    A mental problem again. Any claim that has more than 50% chance of coming true is by definition considered more likely than one that has less than 50%. All you need to do is show that ethnic conflicts will be more likely than than no conflicts at all - and you have shown that ethnic conflicts are likely.

    Norway wants to open a trade route with Russia. Does it take extraordinary evidence to say that this will be a bad idea? No, it just takes ordinary evidence. It is a probabilistic exercise. You evaluate the options and pick the most likely. There is no "99%", there is only a ">50%". You have simply internalised dysfunctional, demobilising left-wing rhetoric.

    The more I see of left-wingers the more convinced I get that Breivik made the right choice and the death of left-wingers is the only thing that really can solve many of the problems society faces. Left-wingers are anti-intellectual, regressive and anti-democratic. And if people need to figure out solutions to the problems of society, this can simply not be done in the presence of left-wingers.

    To paraphrase Douglas Adams: You've got to go.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:14 No.2671139
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    >>2670987

    The elephant in the room that nobody seems to be addressing.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:14 No.2671141
    >>2671081
    >Large reserves of petroleum and natural gas were discovered in the 1960s, which led to a boom in the economy. Norway has obtained one of the highest standards of living in the world in part by having a large amount of natural resources compared to the size of the population.
    Wow they got rich because they basically live on top of gold mines? Who would've known.
    So sweden and norway are out. What do you have left?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:15 No.2671163
    >>2671127

    >liberals are anti-democratic
    >just advocated mass murder to silence political opposition

    lol
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:15 No.2671168
    >>2670987

    Left-wingers have been applauding mass murder forever. The current wife of the Norwegian Prime Minister had Che Guevara, famous executioner of defenseless and imprisoned civilians, as her idol. People gloat over the French Revolution and in a utilitarian way acknowledge the deaths of people there.

    The problem is left-wingers. They basically need to die.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:17 No.2671189
    >>2671101
    Scandinavia has never been communist, if that's what you're trying to say in your obtuse, roundabout way. I live there - remember? The Scandinavian countries still have among the highest tax rates in the industrialized world and among the state and local government make up among the biggest shares of the economy in the industrialized world.

    Scandinavian countries are without a doubt the most socially liberal in the world.

    And they are among the most prosperous and most developed in the world.

    All this is the legacy of their Social Democratic parties. What was your point again?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:18 No.2671211
    >>2671163

    No, it's not silence political opposition. It's to silence a particular political opposition that does particular things. A dip in democracy in the short term and a huge boost in the long term.

    Let's imagine it this way - the 77 people who died would have been 77 more people just like the left-wingers that ordinarily make public statements and take part in debates. Their contribution to absolutely anything at all is almost universally net negative.

    You lose (less) democracy to gain (more) democracy.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:22 No.2671280
    >>2671141
    What a huge coincidence that all three scandinavian countries that have pursued similar policies with hig tax rates, a large public sector and social liberalism have all done equally well. Of course, a deluded faschist will make up different excuses - in one case it was peace, in another it was oil. The third was that they made good beer.

    Then again, you might look to the economic policies of Adolf Hitler - which also favored a strong public sector and robust government spending - and note that it worked in Germany too. Then one might note that it worked in the Scandinavian countries without racism, without war and without the Holocaust.

    Providing conclusive proof that right wingers are wrong about pretty much everything..
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:22 No.2671283
    >>2671189

    No, your head doesn't function right.

    The Scandinavian countries had in the past left-wing movements and right-wing movements that both affected the course of the countries.

    You are saying that the positive situation in them today is fully attributable to the left-wing parties.

    This is plainly false - every element that shaped policy in the last century contributed to society today.

    It's extremely simple. It's utterly and totally basic. But your head doesn't work so you cannot grasp it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:24 No.2671329
    >>2671283
    >The Scandinavian countries had in the past left-wing movements and right-wing movements that both affected the course of the countries.
    This is laughable. The right wing governments wre in office maybe 15-20% of the time, yet you cant wait to claim full credit for your butty boys. You got told in Scandinavia. We did things our way, and it worked out so. much. better.

    Suck on it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:24 No.2671333
    >>2671280
    Ok let me get this straight.
    Did you seriously just imply that huge, expensive natural resources and industry untouched by war in the middle of a continent ruined by it is just an excuse? Do you seriously think that paying lazy fatties money is more profitable than that? Honestly?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:27 No.2671373
    >>2671280

    But the current tax rate is not purely due to the Social Democratic parties. It is also due to the Conservative parties that prevented the tax rate from going even higher.

    The current level of regulation is not purely due to the Social Democratic parties. It is also due to the Conservative parties that prevented more regulation.

    Do you understand this at all?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:27 No.2671388
    >>2671329

    Thank you for confirming my choice.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:30 No.2671437
    >>2671333
    We got three countries - all doing equally well, all pursuing similar policies. There are many countries in the world that have huge natural resources. Many countries didnt see war. And yet Norway (which saw war), Denmark (which saw war and dont have any resources at all) and Sweden (which didnt see war and got wood and Iron but no oil) all did excellent. You cant explain that. But there's a simple explanation: Social Democratic policies work - because they help and grow the middle class and create a stable and inclusive society which enhances innovation, productivity and human progress.

    This isnt rocket science. You're just to obsessed with hating muslims to get a clue :D
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:31 No.2671454
    >>2671437
    Can't tell if trolling or just a liberal.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:32 No.2671480
    >>2671373
    >But the current tax rate is not purely due to the Social Democratic parties. It is also due to the Conservative parties that prevented the tax rate from going even higher.
    >The current level of regulation is not purely due to the Social Democratic parties. It is also due to the Conservative parties that prevented more regulation.

    Comparatively, Scandinavian countries have a very high tax rate and the public sector makes up a very big part of the economy. Comparatively, Scandinavian countries have done very well. These policies are due to Social Democratic policies.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:33 No.2671497
    >>2671480
    *policies are due to the Social Democratic parties
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:34 No.2671510
    >>2667127
    Yes, it's shopped.

    http://www.tineye.com/search/ee37188861079e43da442841a9a8444fbae2243c/?pluginver=
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:35 No.2671534
    >>2671454
    Your use of the word 'liberal' is nonsensical in a Scandinavien context. Speaking of Europe, you probably want to use 'progressive' or 'social democrat'.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:38 No.2671607
    >>2671480

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates

    Most of Europe has a high tax rate.

    Left-wing parties wanted a higher tax rate. Right-wing parties wanted a lower tax rate. The end tax rate is a result of pressure from both sides.

    Compare Norway to Turkey - is it the tax rate and size of government that has made the difference in living standards? To Italy or Hungary?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:46 No.2671757
    >>2671607
    This is the right list, you tool.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP

    Note that Denmark and Sweden are at tax revenue ~50% of GDP. Norway is at ~43% (on account of oil revenue and oil fund money picking up the slack).

    United States ~27%
    Germany ~40%
    India ~18%
    Afganistan ~6%
    Japan ~28%
    Turkey ~32%
    Greece ~33%

    The cluelessness of wingers is hilarious
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:51 No.2671863
    >>2671757
    Cherrypicking bitch

    Zimbabwe 49,3
    Cuba 44,8
    Lesotho 42,9
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:56 No.2671961
    >>2671863
    Industrialized world, you pussy ass faggot.

    And besides, macro picture is that whether we can prove or not that Social Democratic policies - high taxes and social liberalism - causes high human development and high standard of living, we can certainly rule out that they're an obstacle for those same things.

    It just isnt the case. The data tells us that. The countries in the industrialized world with the highest tax revenues and most socially liberal policies are also the countries with top notch welfare, human development and standard of living. You wingers need to deny reality, because reality doesnt agree with your ideology. Boohoo.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:03 No.2672084
    >>2666884
    How does an IQ below zero feel?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:05 No.2672122
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    Trial? Does he even need one? It's just going through the motions. He surrendered, caught red handed. Didn't he also just confess? Plead insanity? He already knows he will do about 21 years.

    He is clearly a hero by eradicating all the brainwashed commie kids and not further ruin his great country in the future.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:08 No.2672168
    Conservatives: LOL jokes on you! We were just playing retarded!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:08 No.2672173
    >>2672122
    >mass murderer
    >hero
    PICK EXACTLY ONE
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:09 No.2672186
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    >>2672084
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:12 No.2672234
    >>2671961
    we do not deny this at all, we deny its possibility without a white or east asian population.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:16 No.2672296
    http://www.rooshv.com/the-3-types-of-danish-girls
    "You know those people that have been students for what seems like forever, always working on a master’s or PhD? That’s your first category, the perma-student. Since the government pays for education, a Danish person would be stupid not to achieve the highest level possible, especially since in Denmark there is a strong correlation between years of education and income.

    It will be rare to meet a girl under 26 who has a full-time job and is not in school at least part time. It’s great that she’s investing in her future, but the problem for you is that liberal universities destroy a woman’s femininity. The more years she spends in them, the less likely she will be able to please you, physically and emotionally.

    Since Danish girls spend much more time in universities than American girls, I’m sad to conclude that American girls are more feminine than Danish girls. Yes, it’s true, I’ve found a species that is even more masculine than American women. After accounting for the fact that Danish girls aren’t as slutty as American or Icelandic girls, I hope you’re beginning to see that we have a real problem on our hands.

    An annoying feature of the perma-student is that she has a chip on her shoulder. Even though she hasn’t worked a hard day in her life and has had her hand held by the government every step of the way, she thinks her education has given her everything she needs to know about the world, including your own country. She thinks that her time in school is a superior substitute for real-life experience."
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:17 No.2672307
    >>2672234
    HURR DURR MASTER RACE SUDDENLY INCLUDES GOOKS AND JEWS, IN 50 YEARS MAYBE NIGGERS TOO, ONCE REALITY PROVED US WRONG AGAIN
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:18 No.2672324
    what if the US ever got its own "breivik"

    i mean, when you go to stormfront forums and read the posts its all extremely angry white men

    what if one snaps and goes on a rampage? :(
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:19 No.2672332
    http://www.rooshv.com/the-biggest-cockblocker-in-the-world-is-from-denmark

    You’re not allowed to criticize Denmark or their way of life, since you’re just a stupid, possibly fat American, but she can criticize anything she wants while shitting on your opinion at the same time. This angered me to no end, and the fact that Danish women ended up being so wrong about Polish women suggests they hold some jealousy towards them.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that Jante Law has two real purposes. The first is to hold men down. It serves to cherish women and their opinions and hypocrisy while preventing you from “fighting” back. A girl can break Jante Law but you can’t, and if you do, you’ll be banished from the tribe. This is a classic case of women demanding equality but then perpetuating inequality to further their cause at the expense of men’s.

    The second feature of Jante Law is to keep your neighbor down. If there is no benefit for your neighbor to show off his unique character, experience, or wealth, that means he’ll be more ashamed about doing better in life than you. Jante Law is like an anti-bragging behavioral modification drug meant to make people who aren’t as skilled or successful as you feel better about themselves.

    What Jante Law ultimately does is protect the egos of women and the unambitious who constantly feel the need to compare their lot with everyone else’s. While I approve of the benefits the government gives to all its citizens, Jante Law is something I can’t live with. Unfortunately, we have to accept that they go hand-in-hand, that we can’t fulfill basic human rights for all without viewing everyone as equal. That’s fine for most people, but I’ve spent way too much time happily surviving in the jungle to pack my bags and move into the zoo.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:21 No.2672359
    >>2672324
    Maybe Ted Nugent? Said if Obama is reelected he will be either dead or in jail a year from now. White trash is going full out crazy with hatred of the brownies
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:22 No.2672382
    >>2672324
    I don't think someone could carry out an attack like the single handedly in America, especially not after 9/11. Think about it, when kids raid crowded schools, they only end up shooting and/or killing a few people even though there's a plethora of them frantically running about.

    Security in the US is far more intense than in Norway because Americans don't trust each other. We've already anticipated attacks like the one Breivik carried out in Norway and a lot of buildings are designed with things like that in mind.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:23 No.2672388
    >>2672359
    Brownies are delicious..
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:26 No.2672443
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    >>2672382
    Shut up whitu piggu, you know nothing
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:27 No.2672453
    >>2672359

    What about that oklahoma bombing guy? His beliefs were pretty similar to ABB's were they not?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:33 No.2672561
    >>2672453
    Didnt he say he did it because Waco? Soon the 'feds' were gonna come for every redneck patriot and take all their guns and he had to stop that?

    Not doubting he was a full blown racist, just he kept it on the down low and took more of a Doom Paul path to mass murder...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:38 No.2672655
    >>2672122
    He's specifically not pleading insanity, because he feels that would undermine his insane philosophy and the insane political statement he was making.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:39 No.2672672
    All we want is a free and open public discussion regarding the attempt to turn EVERY White country non-White.

    Norway is not "Multicultural" by choice. It was forced Norway, like it was Forced on all White countries and only White countries.

    No vote or discussion has ever allowed in any White country on whether White people want to be blended out of existence.

    It's Genocide.

    Those pushing it call themselves "anti-racist." What they are is anti-White.

    Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:42 No.2672719
    >>2672672
    Hi, I'm new on /pol/

    Do you reverse troll political positions on the /pol/ board?

    Is this post a reverse troll of the racist position?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:42 No.2672732
    >>2672672
    "Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White" is a codeword for "ignore this post I am too dumb to live".
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:43 No.2672740
    >>2672655
    Well shiiiaaat. What's Norway gonna do with him? They can't just release him in 21 years. Wouldn't be easier to just declare him insane and drug him in an institution for the rest of his days?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:43 No.2672747
    >>2672672
    >e it was Forced on all White countries and only White countries.
    ever heard of imperialism? ever heard of history? look it up
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:44 No.2672753
    >>2672719
    >>2672732
    Guise, he just came from /int/.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:45 No.2672776
    >>2672740
    You can detain any prisoner indefinitely if it's determined, when the end of their sentence approaches, that they still pose a danger to others. It's just not legal to sentence someone to more than 21 years at a time.

    Breivik is going to be under lock and key for the rest of his life, there's no debate about that.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:46 No.2672797
    >>2672740
    They got a parole board that can keep him locked up as long as he's considered a menace2society
    >> MichaelScott !!ugnBoyz0Ga4 04/17/12(Tue)18:48 No.2672850
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    >>2672672
    >. It was forced Norway, like it was Forced on all White countries and only White countries.
    white people forced themselves into black/brown countries first, why arent you bitching about that also?

    >No vote or discussion has ever allowed in any White country on whether White people want to be blended out of existence.
    norways is one of the most democratic countries, you have every right to speak, to debate, nobody is censoring you, however when you engage in violence you admit that your views are so shitty that you have to force them onto people

    >It's Genocide.
    why are whites allowed to commit genocide and blacks are not? oh thats right , its only bad when it happens to you
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:50 No.2672885
    >>2672850
    At least you are smart enough to admit that there is an agenda in place designed to carry out the genocide of my people.
    Let us never forget the 5 million whites that died on 9/11. They will not be forgotten, we must fight this genocide.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:50 No.2672891
    Haven't been following the conversation.
    Look I'm not racist at all. I do have something against cultures with ethics that clash with out own. There is a problem in Europe. I don't get how people can be fine with losing their great cities, their own culture, their quality of life and their history.
    I don't want to live in a world of one race and one culture. How fucking boring would that be? I'm all for races living in peace. But let them do so in their own fucking countries, with their own history and cultures.

    The left may not like it but this Breivik isn't the last. The more this immigration problem escalades the more people like him will start appearing.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:51 No.2672909
    >>2672850
    >>2672850
    > white people forced themselves into black/brown countries first, why arent you bitching about that also?
    Name a single "black/brown country" that Norwegians have forced themselves upon.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:52 No.2672911
    >>2672797
    Oh, well. That's good. I guess they can just study him.. Like Jane Goodall and her chimps.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:53 No.2672939
    >>2672909
    Norway was owned by Denmark which did force itself on black/brown nations through the wonders of colonization.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:54 No.2672948
    Leftists are calling for execution.

    Nicely done.

    Anyway what's so bad about killing teenagers? They have the same ideas, the same understanding, the same dangerous brain washing of their elders. At what age does a person suddenly become ok to murder? They will be exactly the same when they are older.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:54 No.2672953
    >>2672939
    Answer the question this time please.

    Name a single "black/brown country" that Norwegians have forced themselves upon.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:56 No.2672987
    >>2672939
    > Norway was owned by Denmark which did force itself on black/brown nations through the wonders of colonization.
    So by your logic the black and brown people who were owned by White nations are also to blame since they were owned by the White nation?
    >> MichaelScott !!ugnBoyz0Ga4 04/17/12(Tue)18:56 No.2672988
    >>2672909
    i said white people not norway, but since you asked:

    Indian colonies:
    Denmark–Norway maintained numerous colonies from the 17th to 19th centuries over various parts around India. Colonies included the town of Tranquebar and Serampore. The last towns it had control over were sold to the United Kingdom in 1845 - rights in the Nicobar Islands however, not until 1869.

    Caribbean colonies
    Centered around what is known as the Virgin Islands, Denmark–Norway established the Danish West Indies. This colony was one of the longest lived of Denmark, as it was sold to the United States in 1917, to become the U.S. Virgin Islands.

    African colonies
    In the Gold Coast region of West Africa, Denmark–Norway also over time had control over various colonies and forts. The last remaining forts was sold to the United Kingdom in 1850.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:57 No.2672998
    >>2672953
    Ghana
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Gold_Coast
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:58 No.2673011
    >>2672988
    These are Danish colonies, answer the question this time please.

    Name a single "black/brown country" that Norwegians have forced themselves upon.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:59 No.2673025
    >>2672987
    >implying norwegian nobility were not involved and profiting from danish colonialism
    >implying norwegian rednecks were not complicit in oppressing the black man
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:59 No.2673034
    >>2672998
    You should really read your links before you post them. lol'd
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:00 No.2673043
    >>2672987
    >>2672953
    Technically they did. Canada had slavery abolished through a decree from the British empire, but they still had slavery (through the British empire).
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:00 No.2673044
    >>2673011
    Denmark and Norway was the same country, you stupid fuck. Thus the question was answered.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:00 No.2673058
    >>2673025
    There was no Norwegian nobility.

    We got our royalty and nobility only after we tore loose from Denmark who oppressed us.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:02 No.2673086
    >>2673058
    And damn well they did! Filthy viking scum.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:02 No.2673091
    Why are niggers and anti-whites so butt damaged about brevik anyways?
    He killed only white people so who fucking cares, right?
    Whats the big deal here, honestly? Is it because he is trying to light a fire under your ass about immigration and white genocide?

    I really don't get it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:02 No.2673093
    >>2673058
    Whatever. Replace nobility with bourgeoisie. Do we have to do all your homework?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:02 No.2673097
    >>2673044
    That is wrong, Norway at that point only referred to the geographical location, it was a Danish colony. So by your logic either the black and brown people are also to blame for Danish colonialism or Norwegians have no fault since they were being colonized.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:04 No.2673122
    >>2673093
    There was no bourgeois, if you wanted to be anything but a farmer you would have to travel to Denmark, to afford to travel to Denmark you would have to be something better than a farmer.

    If you wanted any education you would have to travel to Denmark as well.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:04 No.2673123
    >>2673097
    But they would utilize citizens from both areas.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:04 No.2673124
    >>2673097
    No, it was the same country, Denmark. Norway had never existed as a country at that point.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:05 No.2673133
    >>2673123
    Define "utilize", wouldn't they "utilize" the people from other colonies as well?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:06 No.2673139
    >>2673122
    >There was no bourgeois
    Oslo, founded in 1048. What the fuck are you on about?
    >> MichaelScott !!ugnBoyz0Ga4 04/17/12(Tue)19:06 No.2673140
    >>2672672
    >All we want is a free and open public discussion regarding the attempt to turn EVERY White country non-White.

    whats really funny is that the whiter a country is the more freedom of speech there is, you just cant face the reality that if people ignore you its because you are probably nuts, jussaying (ironically you are debating it even now)
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:07 No.2673150
    >>2673124
    Then surely the question has not yet been answered?

    Now you should try to answer the question, please.

    Name a single "black/brown country" that Norwegians have forced themselves upon.

    And keep in mind, by your own words, there were no Norwegians at the point of Danish colonialism.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:07 No.2673153
    >>2673140
    Are all stormturds as retarded as you?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:08 No.2673171
    >>2673133
    Yes, but the people from the colonies had no choice. You're essentially arguing with me about if America did something would it also be Montana's fault. Yes, it would because the US uses soldiers and materials from Montana and people from Montana supply these things willingly.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:08 No.2673173
    >>2673058
    This is incorrect, see
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_nobility
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:08 No.2673176
    >>2673139
    Surely there must be an academic and cultural scene for there to be a bourgeoisie?

    These things were not allowed under Danish rule.
    >> Grand Master 04/17/12(Tue)19:09 No.2673189
    >>2672987

    Fucking legend!

    >>2672948

    That's because he's a filthy fucking nazi, spraying his propoganda, the only soloution to this is more immigrants- then we can live in an even more peaceful multi cultural society....
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:10 No.2673197
    THE FACT IS, Norway and all other european people deserve multiculturalism because of their colonialization practices in the past, and punishment.

    European nationalism is inherently evil, because europe was built off of colonialization. You should be ASHAMED of your "culture" and cities, and proud that greater purer cultures are enriching your evil culture with diversity.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:10 No.2673198
    >>2673171
    So what choice did Norwegians have that the people of other colonies didn't have? Norway was taken from Sweden by military force.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:10 No.2673199
    >>2673150
    The question has been answered you daft fuck. All the countries colonized by Denmark (/Norway). They were the same country, and then split into two countries: Denmark and Norway.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:11 No.2673227
    >>2672987
    >So by your logic the black and brown people who were owned by White nations are also to blame since they were owned by the White nation?
    No, because black people were never proper citizens of the countries that colonized them.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:11 No.2673228
    >>2673150
    The area geographically known as Norway today was indirectly (or directly) involved in the colonization of the Faroe Islands, Ghana, and the west indies through Denmark.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:12 No.2673238
    >>2673199
    By your own words
    > Norway had never existed as a country at that point.
    Surely if Norway doesn't exist yet then neither do Norwegians?

    So the answer has yet not been answered, answer the question this time, please.

    Name a single "black/brown country" that Norwegians have forced themselves upon.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:13 No.2673251
    >>2673198
    All of these countries were monarchies. Talking about a choice of 'the people' is beside the point. The monarch and nobility made the decisions.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:13 No.2673252
    >>2673198
    >implying they weren't cool with it
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:14 No.2673268
    >>2673251
    Norway didn't have its own monarch at this point.
    >> MichaelScott !!ugnBoyz0Ga4 04/17/12(Tue)19:15 No.2673274
    >>2673150
    completely meaningless because norway as a separate nation would not be nearly as powerful to be able to colonize, however they never isolated themselves in protest, on the contrary they traded with all the other european nations, the only reason they didnt colonize by themselves is because they were not able
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:15 No.2673275
    >>2673238
    By the same logic there are no muslims, since there is no country 'Muslimia'. Thus Norway cannot be invaded by muslims. There can be no 'genocide' of Norwegians at the hands of muslims, because muslims do not exist.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:15 No.2673285
    >>2673252
    What makes you think that? Why do you think we made a violent rebellion against the Danish for our independence if we were "cool with it"?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:17 No.2673321
    >>2673274
    So then Norway had no colonies?

    Okay, thank you for answering the question.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:17 No.2673322
    >>2673268
    Norway had A monarch - the danish king. And a monarch does not necessarily represent the will of the people anyway, so whether they had 'their own' is irrelevant.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:19 No.2673354
    >>2673275
    Actually the concept of a "Muslim" is well defined without a country named "Muslimia" as it refers to a member of a religious group. The concept of a "Norwegian" makes no sense without the country Norway since its the demonym of the country Norway.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:20 No.2673368
    >>2673322
    So then the black and brown people of the colonies had a monarch as well? I don't really see were you're going with this but I'll play along.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:20 No.2673373
    >>2673321
    Yes, as has been pointed out to you any number of times: the monarchy Denmark/Norway (at the time called 'Denmark') had a number of colonies. Then that country split in two countries: Norway and Denmark.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:22 No.2673413
    >>2673373
    > the monarchy Denmark/Norway (at the time called 'Denmark') had a number of colonies
    So basically, what you're saying is that Denmark had a number of colonies and you made a bunch of worthless posts instead of just answering the question?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:24 No.2673431
    >>2673373
    >A number of colonies
    Is that what you call what's now the US Virgin Islands? Or is it Greenland you're blathering about?

    Truly Denmark was the terror of Africa!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:25 No.2673445
    >>2673275
    I see not everyone does this "by your logic" thing equally well.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:25 No.2673447
    >>2673354
    Actually you're confusing etymology (the history of the word - the sign) with the referent. The fact that the etymology of the sign ('norwegian people') is related to the nation state Norway, doesnt mean that the sign cannot refer to the set of individuals living in the geographical are called Norway, before the country was founded.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:27 No.2673473
    >>2673413
    No, I think what I'm saying this time is that you seem to be retarded. Denmark/Norway had many colonies. They were the same country. Thus, both Denmark and Norway had colonies. The same colonies, before they were separate countries.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:29 No.2673495
    >>2673473
    And we're back at logical fallacies.

    Norway was one of the Danish colonies, so if the people living there are to blame then surely so are the black and brown people living in other colonies?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:31 No.2673521
    >>2673495
    >Norway was one of the Danish colonies
    No, they were the same country. Norwegians were citizens of Denmark/Norway, which was called 'Denmark'.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:33 No.2673551
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    /pol/ pls
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:33 No.2673552
    >>2673521

    India were citizens of Britain, those horrible COLONIZERSSSSSSSSSS
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:34 No.2673559
    >>2673521
    So then again, Norway didn't exist at the time.

    Are you even listening to yourself?
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    >>2673551
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:35 No.2673572
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    >>2673521
    >>2673495
    >>2673473
    >>2673413
    >>2673373
    >>2673321
    >>2673274
    >>2673150
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:36 No.2673585
    >>2673521
    By your own words in >>2672939 Norway was owned by Denmark. So what's the difference between being "owned by Denmark" and being a colony of Denmark?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:36 No.2673590
    >>2673552
    No, (native) Indians were British subjects, but not citizens. That's the difference. That's why India was a 'colony'.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:36 No.2673595
    I don't care what you retarded troglodytes say. I don't care if Norway prospers into the greatest nation in history. KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE IS NEVER RIGHT, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN. You hear me? I don't care if the cure for cancer was somehow made from the deaths of children. breivik is a monster. I'd rather see Norway fall under a sea of immigrants than let one child die for its sake.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:37 No.2673602
    >>2673585
    Not the same poster.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:38 No.2673608
    >>2673572
    Shut up. This is the internet, serious business
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:39 No.2673621
    >>2673595
    I'm glad you have been able to solve an ancient philosophical/ethical problem all by yourself. Or you might just be another worthless deontologist.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:41 No.2673643
    >>2673559
    see
    >>2673473
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:41 No.2673651
    >>2673602
    It has the same retarded spelling, punctuation and feel to it, are you certain you are not lying to me right now?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:42 No.2673662
    >>2673651
    As certain as ur a raging faget
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:42 No.2673665
    >>2673643
    See
    >>2673124
    Especially
    > Norway had never existed as a country at that point.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:43 No.2673677
    >>2672747
    You are justifying genocide.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:44 No.2673679
    >>2673662
    I will interpret your lack of rational or intelligent replies as your defeat.
    It was nice defeating you, have a nice day.
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    >>2673595

    How about murdering all immigrant middle-eastern/african men who have hit puberty?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:46 No.2673706
    >>2673621

    Or maybe I'm just one of those assholes who like to say "the ends don't justify the means".
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:48 No.2673722
    >>2673665
    You're arguing retarded semantics amounting to Turks didn't have the colonies that the Ottoman Empire had, or Italians didn't control the territory Rome did. The territory and names of nation states change all the time.

    The territory that is modern 'Norway' was part of the country 'Denmark', which had colonies.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:49 No.2673742
    >>2673679
    >running away from the battle field
    >GLORIOUS VICTORY HURR DURR
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:50 No.2673746
    http://www.facebook.com/FreeBreivik

    TROLL ACCOUNTS GATHER HERE
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:53 No.2673785
    >>2673746
    Reported for hate speech.
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    >>2673785
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:55 No.2673809
    >>2673800
    reported for peddling hate propaganda against muslims
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:58 No.2673837
    >>2673706

    And why doesn't it you illogical fuck? You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.

    To throw away the future so that you can selfishly feel some sort of moral high ground is wrong in every way.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:59 No.2673855
    >>2673837
    So mass murder is A-OK if it hits someone you don't like? Please kill yourself.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)19:59 No.2673856
    >>2673837
    Is it ok if we break your egg?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)20:04 No.2673928
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    You've all been reported for being racists
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)20:06 No.2673952
    >>2673928
    reported for posting about reporting a post
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)20:10 No.2674018
    >>2673952
    Reported for reporting reported reporting reports.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)20:13 No.2674058
    RACISTS SUCKZ NIGGER DONKEY BALLS
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    >>2674058

    Niggers have donkey balls?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)20:17 No.2674125
    >>2674096
    nigger donkeys have nigger donkey balls
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)20:29 No.2674288
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    >>2674018
    reported for posting already reported reporting reported reporting reports
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)20:34 No.2674368
    Everyone chill the fuck out and enjoy a little TV http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnyxhj_regular-show-fortune-cookie_shortfilms
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)20:58 No.2674764
    >>2673706
    Yes, you're a useless deontologist.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)20:59 No.2674774
    >>2673722
    I will interpret your lack of rational or intelligent replies as your defeat.
    It was nice defeating you, have a nice day.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)21:09 No.2674965
    >>2672324
    We already had our own Breivik, Timothey McVeigh and he killed way more people

    Also the unibomber but he didn't kill that many
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)21:11 No.2675008
    >>2664173
    Well, I think the reason nobody really brings up the Madrid bombings is because this incident basically relied on the one central figure of Breivik. And also the fact that most of those who he killed weren't killed by the bombs, but by Breivik personally shooting them down.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)21:14 No.2675066
    >>2674774
    LOL xD EPIZ TROLLZ 10/10
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)21:22 No.2675196
    1000th
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)21:22 No.2675211
    Norge har eksistert i over 12 000 år.

    >Arkeologiske kulturminner er de eldste sporene vi har etter mennesker. De eldste funnene i Norge er omkring 12 000 år gamle. Arkeologiske kulturminner har vært automatisk fredet siden 1905. Innen 2020 skal tapet av disse ikke overstige 0,5 prosent årlig.

    >Med pensel og spade arbeider arkeologen seg forsiktig bakover i historien. Arkeologisk utgraving ved Odberg i Larvik kommune i Vestfold

    http://www.miljostatus.no/tema/kulturminner/Arkeologiske-kulturminner/
    Norway has existed as a nation, a people for about 12 000 years

    >Archaeological monuments are the oldest traces of human activity. The oldest find in Norway is dating from about 12 000 years ago. Norway's archaeological sites include prehistoric rock art localities. Scandinavian rock art is an important part of the world's cultural heritage. Norway's aim today is to minimize the loss of archaeological monuments. However, reports on the state of our monuments and sites and calculations show that losses are currently running at about 1 per cent per year.

    >Excavation from Odberg, Larvik in Southern Norway

    http://www.environment.no/Topics/Cultural-heritage/Archaeological-monuments/
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)21:41 No.2675515
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    This guy is the fucking Joker.

    I love it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)21:47 No.2675615
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    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)21:49 No.2675653
    http://www.ronpaul2012.com/

    The Money Bomb Ends At Midnight. If you want to avoid civil war donate now!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)21:54 No.2675736
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    Doom Paul thread?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)22:01 No.2675880
    >>2675653
    >>2675653
    >>2675653
    In that case, I wont donate. Some men just want to see the World burn
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)22:03 No.2675928
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    >>2675880
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)22:25 No.2676309
    Breivik and Ron Paul in the same thread? Why does the internet encourage my masturbation habit so much.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)22:28 No.2676353
    >a mod finally decides to sticky something
    ABOUT FUCKING TIME

    so many missed stick oppurtunities

    if I were mod i woudld sticky debate threads and randoasmfds
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)22:33 No.2676441
    >>2667499
    >>2667462
    >>2667292
    >>2667259
    >>2667201
    >>2667161
    >This fuvking win...

    also, would like to say, the last time a major religion took over Norway, it happened by blood.

    it was then followed by a thing called the dark ages.

    in 8000 years of recorded history, when has religion brought peace and progress, and not death and ignorance?

    Join the Atheist side, we got cookies, spaceships, and we don't go around killing people because of what we believe.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)22:35 No.2676464
    >>2676441

    Recorded history isnt that old and Christian Europe is responsible for almost all progress in the world. Thanks for playing!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)22:36 No.2676479
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf12nHhz5XM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf12nHhz5XM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf12nHhz5XM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf12nHhz5XM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf12nHhz5XM
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)22:38 No.2676510
    >Christian europe responsible for all progress on earth
    >China

    Have fun in your ego filled western society!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)22:41 No.2676562
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    fuck kony breivik 2012
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)22:43 No.2676586
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    >>2676464
    happened in the christian world, by mostly by atheists, or in a atheist (i.e. science) setting.
    also, this guy. >>2676510
    >> Breivik jhfjyf 04/17/12(Tue)22:46 No.2676630
    I was rather surprised when I read Breivik's manifesto that I agreed with some of what he said and had similar experiences. His English is actually rather good.

    "My stepmother was the Norwegian Vice Counsul in Shanghai and I know
    several Europeans working there. They are willing to “cope” for the duration of their
    company term, as the pay is good, but they would never settle there permanently with
    their families. I remember when I was in Shanghai a few years ago. During my three
    week stay I had more than 10 people asking me to take a photograph with them.
    Apparently, the Nordic appearance is a relatively rare sight, especially for rural Chinese
    visiting the big cities during their vacation. While this can be a charming and even a
    flattering experience, having a mob of people constantly glaring at you all day long is a
    psychological burden. "

    I had a similar experience when I was in Indonesia and a couple asked to have their picture taken with me. They had never seen a caucasion before. Instead of being offended I was rather bemused. It did get rather old to have every kid yell "Hello Mister" in unison when I passed. After a few days that got really old. I thought that the muslims that I met where for the most part very warm and hospitable they literally gave me the hat off there heads.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)22:47 No.2676641
    >>2676510
    Protip China has the most Christians in the world.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)22:51 No.2676705
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    >>2676641
    >China
    has the most everybody in the world, you fuck-muppet.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)22:54 No.2676752
    >>2676641
    >14 million

    lazy troll, go to bed.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)22:54 No.2676766
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    >>2676705
    >Be approved
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:13 No.2677047
    >>2676510
    Must be hard reading with slant eyes, that's why I said "almost all". Your reading comprehension matches your knowledge of history. When did China run the world? Western white man does now and always will, deal with it, inferior.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:16 No.2677095
    >>2676752
    Nope.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:30 No.2677328
    That there is nowhere more vile, self-important, uninformed and tediously insane than this board; that you are all psychotic, hubristic, vein, paranoid and friendless; that everyday I hope moot will cleanse this scourge from 4chan; that /b/ looks sophisticated in comparison with you; that thirty-year-olds have still not obtained any paternalistic sentiment, but rather blather like irate children.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:31 No.2677342
    >>2677328
    Let me add I am not referring to the moderators, but rather the leeching stormfags etc.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:38 No.2677432
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    >>2677328
    >>2677342
    >BAAAWW PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO POST THEIR OPINIONS WITHOUT CENSORSHIP

    Pic related, it's you.
    >> Marina Ann Hantzis !W1MmioNU0A 04/17/12(Tue)23:38 No.2677443
    ITT: Unwarranted racism.
    >> Ludwig !9CUY39dDYo 04/17/12(Tue)23:43 No.2677516
    >>2677443
    You're on /pol/. No racism is unwarranted.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:47 No.2677578
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    >>2677432
    >implying you are a person.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:49 No.2677603
    >>2677443

    >unwarranted
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:49 No.2677607
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    >>2666820
    Aye, but a Norwegian is worth 50-87 sand niggers, so...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:50 No.2677619
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    >>2677516
    >>2677603
    >Merry Kurisamu
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)00:02 No.2677788
    just bumping that prolapse out of view
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)00:02 No.2677789
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    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)00:04 No.2677827
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    >over 3000 posts

    >No mention of the greatest modern Norwegian political philosopher and his analysis of Andy

    >Mfw
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)00:04 No.2677832
    >>2677789

    Rollin for quads
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)00:13 No.2677935
    >>2677328

    >WHY ISN'T EVERYONE POLITICALLY CORRECT LIKE THE TV BOX TELLS ME TO BE

    In this day and age the correct opinions are usually the ones that the masses don't mindlessly follow.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)00:16 No.2677980
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    >>2677827

    Read up on that shit just now, 10/10!
    Thanks for keeping me informed anon.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)00:20 No.2678028
    >>2677980

    No probs. Even if Varg's newest album is a bit lackluster, his indictment of Breivik as a zionist "false flag" is perfect and spot on. To be honest, part of me wishes he would give up on the music for the activism, but I know that his farming and his writing aren't paying the bills nearly as well.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)01:02 No.2678496
    Anybody have a link to Breivik's Manifesto?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)01:43 No.2679013
    >>2666538

    Anonyme nettsteder er den eneste plassen hvor feige jævler tørr å prate ut om sine meninger.
    INGEN ville turt å si disse tingene offentlig.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)01:46 No.2679049
    >>2679013

    Enig. Høyreekstremister er feige jævler, som mener noe veldig,veldig, veldig sterkt. Men bare for seg selv.

    Kom ut i media! La verden få høre at folk har disse meningene. Om ikke blir det konspirasjonsteorier dere pakker dere selv inni om natten, vrenger verdensbildet og får diagnosen Strafferettslig Utilregnelig.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:02 No.2679264
    >>2668438
    it's not diversity you fool

    it's the WILL to be the best and most powerful country in the world.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:19 No.2679423
    Norway and the rest of Europe should cut off immigration of course since it's disastrous, but also get rid of christianity too.

    Fuck Breivik for complaining about islam, but not christianity too
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:22 No.2679459
    >>2679423

    Christianity IS Europe, and vice versa.

    You're a fool if you think otherwise.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:25 No.2679493
    >>2679013
    Men oi, du glemte at halve Norge er sjarmert i senk av Jens! Tror du virkelig noen med venner og sosial intelligens vil komme ut med slike meninger selv om det er det rette?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:25 No.2679503
    >>2679459

    They had their time to rule. It's called The Dark Age.

    Modern times relies on atheism.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:26 No.2679514
    >>2679493

    Venner som ikke respekterer deg for dine meninger?
    Høres ut som om du virkelig har sosial intelligens ja...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:28 No.2679534
    >>2679514
    Ja, for du får virkelig respekt om du kommer ut med høyreekstreme meninger, sant? Norge har ikke blitt hjernevaska til å ta imot muslimene som voldtar på gata i Oslo, det er bare morsomme anekdoter?

    Spar deg. Noen har andre kontakter enn fags de har møtt på Stormfront.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:30 No.2679553
    >>2679503
    Which is why europe is slowly drifting towards it. If you want to kill christianity you lonly have to wait 10 to 20 years.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:33 No.2679587
    Can someone explain the indoctrination in Norwegian schools? I've heard this mentioned, but what specific stuff do they teach or tell to get students to become so self-loathing?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:34 No.2679598
    >>2679534

    Oi oi oi. En høyreekstremist med konspirasjonsteori og aggresjonsproblem. DETTE var virkelig uvanlig.

    Hør her, gutt. Den eneste måten å endre noe på, er å gå offentlig med det, slik at det kan skapes en oppsluttning om det, og endringen kan skje. Se på arbeiderbevegelsen, eller kvinnebevegelsen.

    Frem til du tørr det, viser du bare at du er en stakkarslig ynkelig person som sitter på anonyme forum og duller deg selv inn i forvrengte verdensbilder og griner, hyller en sinnsforvirret ekstremist og sutrer over at ikke etniske nordmenn.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:37 No.2679647
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    U mad, Breivik-supporters?^^
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:38 No.2679659
    >>2679587
    bullshit, all of it.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:39 No.2679671
    >>2679598
    >konspirasjonsteori
    3/10
    >aggresjonsproblemer
    0/10
    >kvinnebevegelsen
    Dagens post; sendt til VG.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:40 No.2679699
    >>2679647
    Breivik said he was anti-racist though
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:41 No.2679704
    >>2679671
    Du får ikke mere respekt av drittposting på /pol/ heller.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:41 No.2679711
    >>2679699
    >"I'm not a racist, but all the brown people will have to go."
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:42 No.2679718
    >>2679659
    What kind of specific bullshit though? I wanna hear the horror stories.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:42 No.2679724
    >>2679671

    Link?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:42 No.2679727
    >>2679718
    The bullshit is about the indoctrination fantasies.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:44 No.2679744
    >>2679727
    Then where does the intense self-hatred of norwegian people come from?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:45 No.2679761
    >>2679744
    what fucking self hatred

    norwegians don't hate themselves... rather we think too highly of ourselves.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:46 No.2679769
    >>2679704

    Ikke drittposting. Bare opplysning. Noe et demokrati ergrunnlagt på. I motsetning til ekstremisme.

    Som sagt, jeg oppfordrer deg til å gå ut offentlig. Vis at du tørr.

    For ellers, hvordan skal du da få stoppet venstrebølgen som nå ruller hardt over europa etter 22. juli?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:46 No.2679770
    >>2679744
    From people like Breivik with very little contact with reality.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:46 No.2679771
    >>2679711
    That's not racist since immigration is a privilege and governments reserve every right to control it.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:47 No.2679779
    >>2679769
    Nå bommet du litt på hvem du svarte til, det der var min første post på norsk.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:49 No.2679792
    >>2679761
    Reading other comments

    >We have no culture here, we must bring islam!

    >I want there to be fewer of us in this country for years to come, it's a good thing
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:49 No.2679793
    >>2679779

    Vel, den er ment for alle som ikke tørr å gjøre annet enn å sitte på et anonymt forum ogstøtte Breivik.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:50 No.2679807
    >>2679770
    > with very little contact with reality.

    theres your answer.

    besides breivik doesn't hate the norwegian people, he hates the people who destroys the norwegian, and european society and cultural heritage.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:52 No.2679829
    >>2679807
    It's the same shit as zionists calling all jews critical of Israel "self hating jews".

    Delusional bullshit used to justify extremism.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:04 No.2679912
    >>2679792

    It's just that Norwegians aren't little bitches afraid of losing their culture because a different person is standing next to them.

    And they retain the ability to chose themselves who they have children with.

    Those two things combined makes them realize Islam is not a threat to them.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:06 No.2679922
    And so begins day 3, with another Breifist
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:09 No.2679954
    Again with the Balkan war.

    I mean what fucking nerve those muslims had to get massacred! How dare they stand in the way of a greater Serbia!
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:12 No.2679967
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    Well at least Norway isn't as bad as Sweden
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:13 No.2679976
    >>2679967
    You can thank feminists for that shit, not immigrants.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:13 No.2679978
    >>2669766
    but that doesnt work bro
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:17 No.2680001
    >>2679912
    The issue with Europe is a poor fertility rate of natives and a high immigration/high fertility rate of the foreign populations. Your understanding is purely in the present. I'm not sure about Norway however as I'm not familiar with its demographic profile, I've only studied other, harder hit nations like Germany and France.

    I've always assumed Norway was pretty ethnically clean though, must have been a statistic I read once or something.

    It would be interesting to see how the country looks in 100 years. France will be majority black/arab by the (even by the most liberal projections). I doubt there are any well-built predictive models for Norway though since most demographers don't seem to pay much attention to that country
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:18 No.2680009
    >>2679976
    Both really, fucked from both ends
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:19 No.2680021
    >>2680001
    Has nothing to do with fertility rates and everything to do with people working instead of procreating.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:20 No.2680025
    >>2680001

    I should also add, the fact that demographers aren't studying your nation is a GOOD sign. If a lot of demographers start studying your country, you can be sure something is very wrong
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:20 No.2680033
    >>2680021
    Those two things are related you know? Fertility rates = procreating.
    >> L andere 04/18/12(Wed)03:22 No.2680046
    He is just a standard racist fag....to stupid for edjucation but thinks wiki is a good source to study ...

    Someone told me once: If you are a stupid bitch you become a nazi or an US citizen one day.

    So F u C k that stupid bitch....

    I go an Drive now 200 km/h on the Autobahn
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:23 No.2680053
    >>2680033
    Fertility rates would imply that there's something wrong with natives sperm/eggs.

    In a way, that is an issue, but only because women work and leave pregnancies untill they're dried up.
    >> DJ !h8hr/9duKU 04/18/12(Wed)03:25 No.2680070
    >>2680053
    Uh no, that's not how the term is used:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertility_rate
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:25 No.2680075
    >>2680053
    >only because women work and leave pregnancies untill they're dried up

    or because men refuse to marry till very late and are man-children who are afraid of being fathers.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:26 No.2680088
    >>2680070
    >Total fertility rate
    >(Redirected from Fertility rate)
    Thanks, Captain Wiki.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:27 No.2680099
    >>2680075
    Men don't really have the issue of sperm drying up untill they're in their eighties and onwards.

    Try again.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:30 No.2680117
    >Norway, The number of immigrants in Norway is approximately 60,000, which is 12.2 percent of the total population
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Norway

    Yeah, I can see Norway has an immigration issue.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:31 No.2680124
    >>2680099


    my bad, i forgot you were raised by a single mother and never had a father to teach you anything. (hurrr it's women's fault)
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:31 No.2680128
    >>2680117
    Most of them from fucking Poland.

    IT'S A ISLAMIC CONSPIRACY!
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:32 No.2680138
    >>2680124
    So, posting facts about how sperm and eggs work makes me a mummys boy that didn't grow up with a father?

    I'll just go fetal in my closet now.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:33 No.2680147
    Gentlemen, we have our first "Pompous" in court for the day, time for a shot.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:35 No.2680163
    And so begins the drinking game...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:35 No.2680164
    >>2680001

    Oh no, when I'm dead things will be slightly different! Buhuu better kill some kids.

    Point is, I'm white and I have my own culture and that's not going to change no matter how high immigration gets. And my Children will be white and they will celebrate whatever holidays I tell them too.

    Apart from that It wont affect me so I don't give a fuck.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:36 No.2680172
    >>2680138
    you may just as well be a random black's child then... seeing father's opinion and choice don't matter except for sperm.

    the point is fertility rate is low in Scandinavia because of selfishness, people don't want children as they want more time for themselves (and your mistake is to assume that only women are at fault for going to work).

    but this low child birth rate is also what kept the country so well educated and rich also. what's the point in many children if they are raised in poverty?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:37 No.2680181
    >>2680128
    >Most of them from fucking Poland
    Wrong

    Poland is on the top of the list, but they are only 10%(60,000) of immigrants. Besides, European shares similar cultures, same christian background.

    Iran+Turkey+Pakistan+Iraq is well over 20% of total immigration and now that's dangerous.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:41 No.2680210
    What I can't understand is why ABB didn't kill wiggers instead.

    Not like we don't have a massive surplus of these fucks here in Norway.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:41 No.2680215
    >>2680181
    Sorry man, Norway doesn't have a "christian background". Norway was christened by the sword.

    Fuck you.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:43 No.2680234
    >>2680215
    Youre a fucking idiot.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:43 No.2680236
    >>2680181

    Poland and norway do not share a similar background at all. They have very different orgins and cultures.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:45 No.2680246
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    But he killed 77 people...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:46 No.2680259
    >>2680236
    Norway and fucking Denmark for that matter have wildly different "cultures".

    Deal with it.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:51 No.2680316
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    >>2680215
    >Poland and norway do not share a similar background
    They were Christian nations, you fucking idiot.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:53 No.2680332
    >>2680316
    Yet our culture varies so wildly with Poland they might as well have come from Burkina Faso.

    I live in an area that can pretty much be called Little Poland, and have done so for years.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:54 No.2680342
    >>2680316

    So is Kongo, doesn't mean the culture is similiar to norway.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)03:56 No.2680357
    Every damn European nations were united under the Christianity to fight against Muslims.

    Now, that age when we literally believe Bible has passed, but Muslims are still living in that Dark age. Even more scare thing is their religion was founded by a mass murderer who forced his religion to others.

    Now remember that Jesus never forces anyone a religion. Now that's what Europeans believe and that's a cultural difference.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)04:01 No.2680408
    >>2680357
    >Every damn European nations were united under the Christianity to fight against Muslims.
    That's some nice revisionism you got there.
    >> Grand Master 04/18/12(Wed)04:07 No.2680447
    >>2677827

    Much as I love Varg, unless you're a pagan, he will never be taken seriously. I think he's gutted that Breivik will be more famous than him. Oh and he HATES Christians. Though I doubt Breivik is a practical Christian.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)04:10 No.2680471
    >>2680447

    Varg has an article on his website about it.

    Basically said he was a false flag jew monster and that killing children is not acceptable.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)04:11 No.2680483
    >>2680471
    At least he got 50% right.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)04:37 No.2680690
    >>2680447
    Varg is an okay guy.
    >> Towelface !zkraGArAss 04/18/12(Wed)04:43 No.2680748
    >>2680690

    Varg is a murderer.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)04:44 No.2680752
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    >>2679793
    Jeg støtter ikke Breivik; å plaffe ned unger på ei jævla øy er moralsk forkastelig, uansett hvor nasjonalistisk du enn måtte være.

    Jeg ønsker ikke å miste vår kulturarv for å kunne meie ned bygdegårder og reise synagoger så Sharia kan spres i Norge, som Arfan Bhatti grein om utenfor Stortinget. Heldigvis bor jeg i Nordland, så jeg har ingen intensjoner om å ofre det mer enn en tanke nå og da.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)04:45 No.2680755
    >>2680748
    You have this American concept named "stand your ground", I believe.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)04:46 No.2680760
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    Ignorant right-winged extremist >.<

    Don't you see your way of thinking will only lead to your own doom?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)04:47 No.2680768
    The daily reminder that left-wingers are anti-intellectual, anti-progressive, anti-democratic and need to be killed.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)04:53 No.2680808
    >>2680752

    Og det er der spliden går.

    Ingen ønsker at Norge skal miste sin kultur, men hva som er løsningen er forskjellige meninger om.

    Vi kan enten stramme inn grensene. La ferre komme inn, og dermed kvele deres kultur med vår egen.

    Eller vi kan øke midlene til intigrering. Intigrering er tross alt en ekstrem dyr kultiveringsmetode, men også ekstremt effektiv når den får nok midler.

    Ettermin mening er det å stenge grensene, en dårlig plan. Det er kortsiktig, og trykket vil bare øke med tiden på å åpne dem igjen, før vi vil få en flom som følge av krig og katastrofer.

    Derfor mener jeg at vi burde øke fokuset på å intigrere dem, øke bevilgningene, fordermed å skape et samfunn der tolleranse og respekt kan gå hånd i hånd og vi kan leve i samme samfunn tross kulturforskjeller.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)04:54 No.2680814
    >>2680768

    Funny that left-winged are generally more educated than you guys then...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)04:55 No.2680820
    >>2680808
    De som skriker høyest om integrering er jo de som ikke vil bruke en krone på det.

    Hadde jo vært jævlig fint om alle flyktninger og innvandrere kom ferdig integrert til landet, men så naiv går det jo ikke ann å være.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)04:58 No.2680843
    >>2680808

    Hvorfor vil presset "bare øke og øke" og så gi en "flom"? Det er ikke som om Norge setter en propp i et rør og alt bygger seg opp på den andre siden av proppen før proppen en dag sprekker og alt som ble stoppet renner inn. Det er en rørleggeranalogi som ikke illustrerer virkelighetene ved migrasjon.

    Landene i Europa har av alle land i verden lagt aller mest ressurser inn i integrering. Likevel har det gått som det gikk, som i Sverige og Frankrike. Dette er likevel ikke nok ressurser?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)04:59 No.2680846
    >>2680820

    Nei,hvordan skulle det gått til?

    Vi må jo ta dem inn, for så å intigrere dem. Slik det er i dag er en feilslått intigreringspolitikk som har ført mer til assimilering enn intigrering. De trenger mer midler og mer krav.
    Ikke stengte grenser.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:01 No.2680863
    >>2680846
    Kjenner plenty av integrerte muslimer selv, datet en kjerring fra Iran.

    Broren hennes var wigger av verste sort da.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:01 No.2680865
    >>2680814

    If the left-wingers could actually use their 5 years of graphic design education to make accurate predictions about the effects of immigration, we would not be in the mess we are in.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:02 No.2680868
    stream of the trial anywhere?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:03 No.2680872
    >>2680868
    Nowhere, all cameras are turned off when the court is in session. People are free to print whatever is said verbatim however.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:04 No.2680877
    >>2680820

    Gjennomsnittsnordmannen tjener ikke på det om det kommer en innvandrer til landet.

    BNP per hode går opp hvis det kommer noen som skaper mer enn gjennomsnittlig BNP, og synker hvis det kommer noen som skaper mindre enn gjennomsnittlig BNP.

    Så _selv om_ innvandring går seg til med tiden, slik det ikke er noen tegn til at den vil gjøre i land som Frankrike og Sverige, hvorfor bruke masse ressurser på integrering og risikere så mye for noe som ikke hjelper nordmenn? Det virker som et rent galskapsprosjekt.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:05 No.2680885
    >>2680872
    Are there any faggots that can translate this bullshit?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:07 No.2680900
    The woman questioning him is very rude.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:07 No.2680902
    >>2680117

    Yes, Norway has an immigration issue, namely the speed it has reached 12% at and that some people are working hard to make it even higher.

    It's braindead logic to say "there is not a severe problem now so we can just receive immigrants until there is a severe problem". But that is kind of what I expect from you.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:08 No.2680906
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    >>2680760
    I can't hold all this evil leftist mad. Also Varg is jealous he will never be this brutal.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:10 No.2680925
    >>2680902
    Then explain why we've cut immigration every single fucking year the last five years.

    Biggest fucking chunk of "immigrants" we're getting now is thanks to the fucking Schengen treaty.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:11 No.2680939
    >mfw im from norway and they building a fucking mosque right where I live

    i want to blow it up
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:14 No.2680957
    >>2680939
    I live 50m from a fucking church, I want to blow that fucker up as well every sunday I'm hungover.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:16 No.2680969
    >>2680808
    Uansett hva vi gjør så bør det ikke følge fotsporene til Storbritannia.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:18 No.2680988
    >>2680846
    De som skriker høyest er innvandrerne som tviholder på sin kultur og sammenligner integrering med assimilering og tvang. Vi kan ikke ha noen så slappe som AP til å drive debatten.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:20 No.2680995
    >>2680925
    >why we've cut immigration every single fucking year the last five years.

    [Citation needed].

    If I remember correctly, lower asylum seeker numbers have been countered by higher approval rates, the highest in Europe. But will appreciate your source.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:20 No.2681001
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    I wonder if you nazi are able to talk like that in public LOL

    you're only a bunch of cowards
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:21 No.2681006
    >>2680957
    There is a brothel near my house. Its full of illegal chinese immigrant whores.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:22 No.2681009
    >>2680164
    >when I'm dead things will be slightly different!

    Not slightly, quite substantially (although not as much as some of the alarmists in this thread predict)
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:22 No.2681014
    >>2681006
    did u tap it yet
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:22 No.2681015
    >>2681001
    What nazi? No nazi here.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:23 No.2681021
    >>2681006
    Ask for a free sample.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:24 No.2681029
    >>2680760
    I'm left social democrat though

    (and you're a moron)
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:24 No.2681035
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    Where do European immigrants come from?

    You might say "hurr middle east" but your notion of middle east differs from mine. Here are middle eastern countries:

    1- Saudi Arabia
    2- Syria
    3- Lebanon
    4- Iran
    5- Egypt
    6- Israel

    None of these countries are that pour killer thugs into Europe.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:24 No.2681036
    >>2681021
    I'll stick with my nordic gf thank you very much.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:26 No.2681049
    >>2681035
    Depends on the country, France is most flooded by Algerians, Germany's problem is from Turkey, but with shengen borders it means one open "gateway" leak can spill into every country
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:28 No.2681061
    >>2680808

    Problemet er at for mange ikke ønsker å integreres, og disse sendes ikke ut av landet. Om du er innvandrer og bærer en slik tankegang, så skal det ikke mye til før vi får enda en Mohyeldeen Mohammad eller Arfan Bhatti som står og gauler midt i gata.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:29 No.2681073
    Just to recap the antidemocratic and extralegal abuses of left-wingers in this case:

    - Breivik's police interrogations (obviously an incredibly high number) have on an ongoing basis been given to left-wing newspapers that have scoured them for individual lines and errors. He has been questioned for more than 220 hours and there has been an ongoing process to put to trial in the media his use of single words. This is not standard procedure.

    - The first psychiatric evaluation was followed by a second one because other psychologists disagreed with it. This is not standard procedure.

    - Letters to Breivik have been given to the newspapers who quote from them verbatim. This is not standard procedure.

    Remind me if I forgot anything.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:29 No.2681078
    >>2681049
    Schengen is such a stupid idea. You can just walk into European countries and there isnt a single person at the border checking whos coming in , in some cases. No passport checks nothing. I felt a great amount of uneasiness over that when I was in Europe.
    Open borders left wing crazies have to go!
    >> DJ !h8hr/9duKU 04/18/12(Wed)05:30 No.2681082
    >>2681061
    Lack of integration is good for foreigners to a degree, so they don't lose their native culture and can fit back in when they return home.

    Prevents something called acculturation.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:30 No.2681085
    >>2681035
    >You might say "hurr middle east" but your notion of middle east differs from mine.

    And your statistics about middle eastern immigration also differs from his?

    NO SHIT! YOU ARE SO CLEVER YOU MUST BE LEFT-WING.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:33 No.2681106
    >>2681001

    It illustrates the threat from left-wing crazy when they try to call Breivik a Nazi. And then an islamic extremist.

    This has to to do with connotations. Nazi and Islamic Extremist has existing negative connotations. Left-wingers want Breivik to be considered badly so they do their best to say that he "is like" these groups.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:35 No.2681122
    >>2681082
    I don't think acculturation is as big a problem as the guaranteed culture clash between nations this alienated to each other, especially on a grand scale.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:36 No.2681132
    >>2681106
    Yes. Convenient labeling, easily understandable to all the public, so everyone may move along.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:38 No.2681140
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    >>2681106

    >Left-wingers want Breivik to be considered badly

    Of course he's bad, he killed kids. On the other hand, if he stormed the parliament or a mosque...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:41 No.2681163
    >>2681140
    The government would have easily spinned an attack on a Mosque as a hate crime, and since Europeans love muslim immigrants it would have backfired
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:44 No.2681186
    >>2681140
    Breivik's only crime here is being white.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:48 No.2681228
    >>2681073
    Oh noes, he's gotten interrogated after killing 77 people and wounding 90!

    TEH HUMANITY!
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:49 No.2681233
    >>2680843

    Fordi befolkningsveksten i østlige land er laaaangt høyere enn vår. Dette blir ofte grunnet i spebarnsdødelighet og behoved for en stor familie (gårder osv).

    Uheldigvis er dette land som er svært ustabile og ofte må personer flykte. Disse trenger da et sted å være, og kommer svært mye til vesten.

    Når andre land i Europa tar i mot flere flyktninger enn oss, vil de øke presset for at vi skal gjøre det samme. Gjerne gjennom økonomisk og politisk press.

    Dermed vil vi måtte atter en gang åpne grensene, og ta i mot, på svært kort tid, det andre land har tatt i mot over tid.

    Intigreringssytemet vil da ikke være kapitabelt til å håndtere så mangepersoner, noe som vil skape en mer assimilering, evt en undergraving av norsk kultur.

    Derfor er det viktig å holde grensene slik de er i dag, slik at vi kan ta i mot en gjevn strøm, som vi kan intigrere over tid, og bygge opp de sosialt institusjonene til å håndtere dette.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:49 No.2681237
    >>2681073
    >The first psychiatric evaluation was followed by a second one because other psychologists disagreed with it. This is not standard procedure.

    Yes it is.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:50 No.2681239
    >>2681163

    Yes, an attack on a mosque would have been utterly crazy. Norwegian politicians would have been lining up on the street to be fucked in the ass by muslims, in fact all over Europe.

    Listen. For someone who doesn't like immigration, trying to take out individual immigrants is like trying to make an ocean go away by punching it. It has no point. The politicians responsible for immigration are the key responsible party.

    Sometimes I wonder if the people calling for redirection towards individual muslims are just left-wing agitprop.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:51 No.2681250
    >>2681233

    Assimilering skulle være segregering, selvsagt.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:51 No.2681252
    >>2681239
    >agitprop

    Always hilarious to read actual newspeak
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:52 No.2681253
    >>2681237

    [Citation needed]. I have never seen this before.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:52 No.2681256
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    Basically the US end EU are fucked. Some people will go down fighting, most of us will ride it out and watch it all fade away.

    The rest of our lives will be both uneventful decline, and some fireworks
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:53 No.2681271
    >>2681252

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agitprop
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:54 No.2681272
    >>2681253
    If an evaluation is disputed, you get an independent evaluation done.
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    Europe FOREVER!!!!! We're gonna kick ass after we beat them. Long live Europe! Long live Breivik The Great
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:55 No.2681287
    >>2681271
    Coming from Stalinist Soviet doesn't exactly make it any less newspeak.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:56 No.2681291
    >>2681271
    I know the word, but it's as if it was taken directly from 1984.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:00 No.2681310
    >>2681233

    >Dermed vil vi måtte atter en gang åpne grensene, og ta i mot, på svært kort tid, det andre land har tatt i mot over tid.

    Om Norge er negative til å ta imot innvandrere så vil andre europeiske land straffe oss økonomisk, og så vil de tvinge oss til å ta imot like mange som de selv har tatt imot?

    Det er jo en helt absurd fantasi.

    1. Når har noe lignende skjedd i historien?

    2. Dette antar at alle de andre landene i Europa er venstreekstreme i sin politikk og ikke selv ønsker lav innvandring.

    3. Har det kommet til det punktet at Europeiske land tvinger Norge til å ta imot alle innvandrerne vi ikke tok imot over en lengre periode må disse landene (ufattelig, det er ikke noe land man kan tenke seg ville gjort noe slikt) regnes omtrent som like ondsinnede som USA og Nord-Korea er overfor hverandre. Man TVINGER ikke land til å innta en bestemt politikk.

    Tvert imot, hva som faktisk ville hendt, er at en del europeiske land (kanskje flertallet, kanskje mindretallet) ville tatt imot få innvandrere, og de som velger å ta imot mange kunne diplomatiske lyder men det finnes ingen mekanisme disse kunne "tvinge" de andre til noe som helst.

    Hellas har for eksempel hatt en relativt streng innvandringspolitikk, i forhold til at de har gitt avslag til veldig mange. På hvilken måte er Hellas blitt tvunget til å stoppe med dette og kompensere ved å innvilge til like mange som de tidligere gav avslag til?

    Kan du lage en liste over landene og regjeringene som ville tvunget oss? Det er nok ikke alle landene. Hvilke land og partier er dette? Takker!
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:02 No.2681328
    >>2681291

    I can't even recall seeing it in 1984. And I'm not sure exactly how it fits under any definition of "Newspeak".
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:04 No.2681335
    >>2681272

    I said "Citation Needed", not "Repeat Assertion of the Contrary With No Citation".

    The established process is that a report is created and then approved by a committee. The report was created and approved.

    Because of general noises helped forward by the media a new one was created. You are saying this is not unprecedented. I would like a source for this, because you have so far failed to provide one twice.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:05 No.2681347
    >>2681335
    Well yeah I don't have a source. I'm just speaking from experience. Do you really think that independent assessments are not done upon the initial assessment being disputed?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:06 No.2681357
    >>2681328
    It's not there, but newspeak uses reduced and simplified vocabulary and grammar, and often slaps words together such as. Examples like crimethink, doublethink, and ingsoc comes to mind, and you could easily fit agitprop in there.

    It's just strikingly similar.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:11 No.2681379
    >>2681347
    >Well yeah I don't have a source. I'm just speaking from experience.

    So you are speaking from experience, but you cannot even point to any actual experience?

    You're speaking of general processes outside the legal system on a basic level. "Bob feels hungry. He starts to eat an apple. He checks again: he is not hungry so he corrects himself and does not eat it".


    To repeat my statement:

    "The first psychiatric evaluation was followed by a second one because other psychologists disagreed with it. This is not standard procedure."

    And when you said: "Yes it is", you meant that "generally speaking if an outcome to anything is doubted by anyone for some reason you might choose to check it again", but you actually have no clue whether this is done at all with psychiatric reports in a legal setting. Do I understand correctly that this is what you meant?

    Sure smells like left-winger in here.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:13 No.2681391
    >>2681357
    That's true, it does look really similar. Well, I guess Newspeak was in part based on the actual Soviets.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:13 No.2681396
    >>2681379
    I am a Psychologist with some experience in the legal setting (though this is not my main field). It only takes one person to dispute a report and you have to get an independent one done. These subsequent reports can then be disputed every 3 months and everything has to be reassessed.

    Lord knows why you think one report is done and this is the end of it, with disputes changing nothing.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:16 No.2681412
    >>2681347
    Why don't you just ask the other guy for [citation needed]
    Possibly the most annoying thing on /pol/ is leftists just saying [citation needed] to absolutely anything they don't like as an emotional knee jerk reaction.
    They themselves have no clue what they are talking about.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:17 No.2681419
    >>2681379
    I am not a psychologist but I am a criminal advocate in Europe. It is standard practice to have multiple reports from different psychiatrists and psychologists.

    I'd be very surprised if the USA was different.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:18 No.2681428
    >>2681396

    If you are a psychologist with some experience from a legal setting and you say you have experience of this specific thing happening you should be able to point to a court case where it happened.

    Whether it has happened in a court case is a matter of public record and does not breach patient confidentiality.

    Can you or can you not name a court case where this has happened?

    You are saying it is not unprecedented. You are saying it is not unprecedented with psychiatric reports in court trials. Which precedence are you referring to?

    I apologise if I seem a bit confronting, but if you had actually provided a source in your initial denial or the repeated ones we wouldn't have needed to have this conversation.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:20 No.2681442
    >>2681419

    If it is standard procedure to have multiple reports requested from the very beginning, then you are saying that the Breivik case was an outlier because only one report was initially requested?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:21 No.2681453
    >>2681391
    It was based on totalitarian thinking, left or right leaning has fuck all to do with it.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:26 No.2681484
    >>2681453

    Really? Capitalist nations show their children scary pictures of men wearing suits in the bad old days?

    You can probably say that it was aimed at totalitarianism, but it was obviously a left-wing totalitarian society being depicted.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:33 No.2681525
    >>2681484
    And a left-wing person will state it was clearly a right-wing totalitarian society being depicted.

    That's the beauty of it, really.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)06:44 No.2681585
    >>2681525

    That is true.

    One process could of course be to say: Okay, we're going to find out what 1984 looks most like. We already know it's totalitarian, so we're going to look at policies apart from the totalitarian nature.

    Then you got a hundred people to extract key social and economic policy from left-wing movements generally, and a hundred people other to do so from right-wing movements, and merged these into two lists based on frequency and weight. Then you extracted descriptions of social and economic policy from 1984 and had someone evaluate where the matches were.

    I'm reasonably sure the weight would be towards left-wing. I mean - free market policy? Laissez-Faire? Royalistic organisation? People being able to offer their labour to various parties and receiving the highest salary one of them is willing to offer? It's been a while since I read 1984, but I can't recall Winston Smith reading the job pages in the newspaper because he hated his old job.

    But I totally agree - left wingers WOULD say that it's a socially and economically right-wing society. That's exactly how I consider them.

    The words used have no meaning. Debate really has no meaning either. That's exactly my point.

    And with that I'm going to spend the rest of today on something more productive.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:21 No.2681787
    "After your trip to london, you declared some support for USA, could you elaborate on this?"

    "Europe has denounced all it's interests. It thinks humanistic instead of thinking of its own interests, the way USA does. What I said was meant as a way for Europe to change it's course."

    mfw breivik is a total bro
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:22 No.2681788
    >>2681310

    Se på historien når Norge har prøvd å satt seg i mot EU/EØS. Noe av grunnen til at vi har så mange innvandrere er svensker og polakker. De står for størstedelen av de store stygge innvandringstallene høyreorientert propaganda gir.

    Men nå når det er fremme i lyset, kan vi fokusere på ikke vestlige innvandrere.
    Som sagt, forplikter vi oss til å følge mer eller mindre den Europeiske Unions valg. Dette er trist, men sant.

    Alle land kan ønske en så lav innvandring som de bare vil, men sannnheten er den at folk flykter i verden, og ALLE demokratiske land har forpliktet seg til å hjelpe flyktninger.

    NB: Fortsettelse følger
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:22 No.2681796
    >>2681788

    Hypotetisk eksempel:

    Vi sier det er 1 000 000 flytkninger hvert år.

    Så sier vi at alle land skal ta inn en gitt prosent i forhold til prosentandelen av innbyggere i europa. Europa har 700 millioner innbyggere. Norge har 5. Ergo ca 0,7% av europas befolkning. Dermed skal vi ta 0,7% av Europas innvandrere, ca 7000 personer.

    Om vi setter oss på bakbena, og sier at NEI! vi vil ta i mot 700 personer, tar vi i mot 90% mindre enn vi skulle.

    Dette vil gjøre EU arge på oss, og gjennom økonomisk og politisk press, i la oss si 5 år, vil de kreve at vi tar vår del, lik resten av landene gjør.

    Da ville vi måtte i løpet av de neste 10 årene, ta i mot 90% flere innvandrere, for å veie opp for skjevheten.

    Dermed vil vi få 45% flere innvandrere i 10 år enn det vi egentlig skulle hatt. Dette vil ikke de sosiale institusjonene klare å makte, siden de var byget opp for å intigrere 700 innvandrere i året, og nå må intigrere over 10 000.

    Enhver idiot ser at systemet da vil kræsje, og dette vil trolig føre til at personene som ikke blir intigrert, vil danne egne kulturer, egne bydeler, og egne "ghettoer".

    La oss heller ta vår del, holde oppe og øke de sosiale institusjonene rundt intigrering, og fikse dette over tid.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:25 No.2681819
    >>2681310

    Uheldigvis er vi med i en union, EØS. Dette gjør at de faktisk har en ganske god kontroll på personflyten vår.

    Ja, og se hvor godt det har gått med Hellas nå.
    Hvor mye pes får ikke de i dag, når boblen har sprukket?
    Er det hva vi vil se i Norge og?
    At vi må komme krypende til korset
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:33 No.2681893
    Full traduction of today:
    http://www.krautchan.net/int/thread-11117480.html
    >> Old Kentucky Shark !X9lAMMsI0I 04/18/12(Wed)07:33 No.2681894
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    For fuck's sake, he claimed self defense?! What?! I simply don't understand his motives. At this point, I think he's trying to get the judge to declare him legally insane. But it's not going to work and it shouldn't. Fuck the day Breivik was born. I hope they put him in a fucking sausage-fest prison, far in the coldest part of the north. Oh man, if only Norway had Bloods and Crips in prison... If only... Can the US keep him in jail? We would like to introduce him to the frindly folks in our prison population.

    (pic unrelated)
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:34 No.2681902
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    >>2681894
    Are you retarded ?

    He fights for the defense of his nation, Norway.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:35 No.2681909
    >>2681894
    "naudverje" does not mean "self defence", it means "defending (something) out of desperation).
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:35 No.2681913
    >>2681902
    Just like the norwegian resistance. Except they didn't kill norwegians.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:35 No.2681916
    >>2681894
    oh boy, if you are to speak at least follow/understand what's going on, chump
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:36 No.2681923
    >>2681819
    > Ja, og se hvor godt det har gått med Hellas nå.
    De økonomiske problemene i Hellas har absolutt ingenting å gjøre med innvandring, hvis du faktisk mener det så er dette en konspirasjonsteori.

    Hvis du mener EU ville forsøke å tvinge oss til å ta imot flere innvandrere har du lite oversikt over EU eller så er dette også en konspirasjonsteori. England ville hoppet på saken med en gang og nektet plent å gjennomføre noe slikt tull, de er veldig opptatt at EU ikke skal gå utover nasjonenes eget selvstyre.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:36 No.2681928
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    >>2681913
    Cultural marxist traitors.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:37 No.2681937
    Why does scandinavians (and balkans) always revert back to their native tongue when talking? Nobody else does that shit, and it's rude to the rest of us.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:40 No.2681959
    >>2681796
    UN, not EU you retard.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:41 No.2681964
    >>2681937
    Cultural marxist detected.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:44 No.2681992
    Norwegians. Please, do tell me about this "culture" of yours that you are so eager to defend, to the point of killing eachother.

    What exactly "is" norwegian culture? Other than being a cold antisocial people who cares for naught but themselves each individually, whilst hating on anyone who goes above the rest (jante's law)

    You don't go to church anymore on sundays, nor eat dinner with your families on sunday. Not even getting together on sundays in town halls. All which once were this "culture" you so revere.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:46 No.2682000
    >>2681992
    Stay jelly and mad shitskin.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:47 No.2682014
    >>2681992
    >Other than being a cold antisocial people who cares for naught but themselves each individually, whilst hating on anyone who goes above the rest (jante's law)
    That's a contradictory statement and you're retarded.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:48 No.2682017
    >>2681992

    This is not only about norvegian culture, but also about race, you know, the constituents of a nation.

    In short: not white => go away
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:49 No.2682028
    >>2682000
    >>2682014
    >>2682017
    Not even a single response to the subject, but rather attacking the person. How predictable. Even fucking finns and sami have more culture than you. Just become a part of sweden/denmark already.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:50 No.2682031
    >>2681992
    Basement dweller fantasies.

    Norwegian culture differs from West to East to South to North to inner parts of the fucking country to urban to rural.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:50 No.2682035
    >>2682028
    u so mad
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:52 No.2682047
    >>2682028
    Retard, there was no ad hominem.

    And don't focus on culture only.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:52 No.2682049
    >>2682014
    No, it's not. Clearly it means norwegians are too busy caring only forthemselves, but get mad jelly at anyone who archives something more than them. Here are the rules that define norwegians,

    The ten rules state:

    Don't think you're anything special.
    Don't think you're as good as us.
    Don't think you're smarter than us.
    Don't convince yourself that you're better than us.
    Don't think you know more than us.
    Don't think you are more important than us.
    Don't think you are good at anything.
    Don't laugh at us.
    Don't think anyone cares about you.
    Don't think you can teach us anything.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:53 No.2682054
    >>2682047
    Tell me, what IS norwegian culture? Is it this hard to answer?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:54 No.2682063
    >>2682054
    Coffee and homemade vodka.

    That is norwegian culture.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:54 No.2682064
    >>2682054
    common culture include language, customs and history

    do you have a point ?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:54 No.2682070
    >>2682049
    >rules all focused on "us"
    >selfish
    Yes, it is contradictory.

    >>2682054
    Defining any culture is difficult.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:55 No.2682072
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    >>2681992
    ralph pls go
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:55 No.2682073
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    So guys, why is all this public?
    Shouldn't the gubment be aware that his defense will inspire his cronies, possibly leading to more violence? Should have kept it a secret.

    Or would it have created a violent backlash from the militant-nationalist folk on the account of censorship?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:55 No.2682076
    Latest breaking, Breivik blushing red like a bride after getting his bullshit dismantled.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:56 No.2682082
    >>2682064
    Yes, "language" which is danish mixed with swedish.
    >customs and history
    Customs? Such as? Drinking vodka in coffee? And don't go on about history, Norway never had one, and it wasn't even fucking Norway when the vikings roamed around doing jack shit for the world. Sweden has history, Denmark has history, Norway? None but being a part of a superior country.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:56 No.2682092
    >>2682054
    it's the way we live here in norway, that has made us the best, most peaceful country in the world.stay jelly.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:56 No.2682094
    >>2682072
    Born, raised and living in Norway with Norwegian parents of Norwegian stock, and I've never owned let alone worn a bunad.

    Not Norwegian culture.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:57 No.2682102
    >>2682049
    So do you usually take Danish fictional literature this seriously?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:57 No.2682104
    >>2682094
    >it's not culture because I haven't partaken in it

    lmaoing
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:58 No.2682113
    >>2682094
    So you're a worthless piece of white trash.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)07:59 No.2682120
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    >>2663900
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:00 No.2682127
    >>2682104
    I'm not a unique snowflake concerning bunad.

    Apart from our national day when some people wear a bunad, Norwegian "culture" doesn't fucking exist outside drunk brawls in rural communities. Amurrican culture took over long ago.

    Now go wank to some national romantic literature while listening to some hardingfele.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:00 No.2682134
    >>2682070
    >Defining any culture is difficult.
    Only if you're a dumb uneducated peasant, or american.

    Japan? A unique ritualised way of greeting, for example.
    Germany? Their unique love for beer and festivals celebrating different cultural events
    France? Enjoys a glass of wine to anything, it is almost expected to be a wine connoisseur if French
    Norway? Rotten fish in chemicals, i guess, lol
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:00 No.2682137
    >>2682102
    This lol, his "law" is taken from a fictional book about a small Danish town where people who violate the rules are viewed with suspicion.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:01 No.2682139
    What is not norvegian culture/nation:

    - niggers
    - arabs
    - islam
    - rapings
    - criminality
    - cultural marxism
    - homosexuality
    - feminism
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:01 No.2682144
    >>2682127
    That's a funny statement because America is often accused of having no culture (especially any culture of its own).
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:01 No.2682145
    >>2682127
    >HURR U'RE CULTURZ DUN EXIST LULZ
    >BUT LET'S EXTERMINATE IT ANYWAY!!11!!11!
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:01 No.2682146
    >>2682127
    > Now go wank to some national romantic literature while listening to some hardingfele.
    You just mentioned some Norwegian culture.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:02 No.2682148
    >>2682102
    When it's true, yeah. Have you not seen the hatred towards successful people? Hell, take any norwegian forum, like e24 and read the utter hatred towards any man who made himself, be it money, status, popularity or even looks.

    Norwegians is a petty people.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:02 No.2682155
    >>2682127
    Sorry to burst your bubble, brahski, but our culture is more prevalent than ever. I guess you were raised in a shitskin suburb instead of the glorious rural fields. Sorry for your loss, and stay mad.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:02 No.2682157
    >>2682134
    Listing stereotypes defines culture now?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:03 No.2682163
    >>2682148
    > Hell, take any norwegian forum, like e24 and read the utter hatred towards any man who made himself, be it money, status, popularity or even looks.
    Oh I'm sure your anecdotal evidence about the Norwegian forums you have visited hold water.

    But seriously are you really this fucking retarded?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:03 No.2682169
    >>2682134
    Japan? Xenophobia and suicides rofl
    Germany? Drunks and Hitler
    France? Arrogant cheesefuckers that smell like shit

    You can do this with any culture.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:04 No.2682174
    >>2682163
    He's a leftist. You do the math.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:04 No.2682175
    >>2682155
    Born in a city, raised in a small shithole of an island community, returned to the city.

    That rural fantasy of yours is just that, a fantasy.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:04 No.2682178
    >>2682127
    protip USA has no culture
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:05 No.2682188
    >>2682175
    stay analpained, delusional pleb. why don't you sell your ass to the shitskins while they'll still pay you for it?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:06 No.2682189
    >>2682137
    >>2682102
    You suburbanites never been to the country have you? Where everyone knows everything about you? Typical kids sheltered from the real Norway.

    In the country, it's dog eat dog whilst drinking themselves into a stupor on heimert.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:06 No.2682190
    >>2682178
    Unfortunately, they do, and we're inundated with the shit.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:07 No.2682200
    >>2682189
    Janteloven is indeed strong in rural Norway. One of the reasons I moved the fuck away.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:07 No.2682203
    >>2682178
    It's ironic, because norwegian culture has more in common with american culture than scandinavian culture.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:07 No.2682205
    >>2682127
    >Now go wank to some national romantic literature while listening to some hardingfele.

    Thanks, I have a great collection of Hamsun novels. I'll go masturbate to that while you drown in your muslim defecation and utter blindness to the patriotism and culture flourishing throughout the rural lands.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:08 No.2682209
    Protip: Seventh generation "norwegians" in Minnesota are more in touch with norwegian "culture" than actual norwegians.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:09 No.2682214
    >>2682205
    Shouldn't you be freeing the shit out of me instead?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:09 No.2682216
    >Norwegian language
    Yeah, i guess that's why Ivar Aasen made the shitty nynorsk, because he knew norwegian language was nothing but danish imitation.

    So he made a language more like swedish instead because lol orginality? Who needs that when you're making a culture!
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:11 No.2682222
    >>2682209
    >implying I'm not going to wear a bunad and march with 4000 others during the celebrations

    It's funny when Oslofags come in and defecate on everything just because that's what Oslo taught them Norway is
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:11 No.2682227
    >>2682222
    Bergen actually.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:11 No.2682230
    >>2682209
    That's actually true.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:13 No.2682244
    >>2682222
    1: Bunad is actually a french dress stolen by Norway.
    2: >Implying you won't wear a suit and tie, just like americans do
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:16 No.2682254
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    >>2682244
    >French
    lmaoing
    Read up pleb
    >Implying you won't wear a suit and tie, just like americans do
    Lol, you are fucking jelly of my swag.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:17 No.2682258
    Thread has gone to shit.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:18 No.2682264
    >>2682254
    Damn, that looks proper faggy. Drop the leggins and hat, and it may look less faggy.

    Then again, norwegian men is naturally effimate faggots. So that may be a bit too much to ask.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:20 No.2682277
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    >>2682264
    >Insecure
    >Has latent sexual issues
    >You

    Pick three
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:21 No.2682286
    >>2682277
    Says a guy wearing a silk shirt. Bet you wear a flower in your hair too.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:21 No.2682289
    at. 14.18

    Breivik - I and others have had three different role models. The historical role models as Lionheart and others.
    at. 14.18

    Engh ask how Al Qaeda may be exemplary.

    at. 14.18

    Breivik: We are on two sides of the battle. But the methodology characterizes Al Qaeda in that they use extremely militant methods. Our desire is to create a European version.
    at. 14.17

    Breivik: - I think a lot of militant nationalists have much to learn from al Qaeda.
    at. 14.16

    Breivik: - It is intended to be for the nationalists and Christians in Europe. A version of al Qaeda. It is the most successful revolutionary organization for Muslims. The goal is to build an equivalent for Christians in Europe.
    at. 14.16

    Engh will know what the Knights Templar network is today.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:22 No.2682293
    About Breivik again...

    what's with this "Knights Templar" organisation? Is it real?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:23 No.2682303
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    >>2682286
    Yeah, what if I do? Are you going to get your galpals to talk shit at me?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:23 No.2682304
    >>2682293
    What exactly do you expect for a reply? You honestly think that somehow, someone on /pol/ can, and even knows if a supersecret organization is real?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:25 No.2682311
    >>2682293
    Basement dweller invention from a dude that failed his economic ventures including getting his ass scammed in Liberia.

    Break down and reading anti-muslim blogs > lol cultural marxists muslim conspiracy is why I'm not a winrar.

    He's about to crumble, face was fucking red before the break.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:25 No.2682314
    Fuck this thread. It's slow loading and going to shit.

    We need the separate threads.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:26 No.2682320
    >>2682303
    I like how you only post pictures of men. You got a thing for men dressed up in silky clothing?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:26 No.2682327
    >>2682314
    >one poster starts fagging up the thread with his opinion on Norwegian culture
    >everyone goes apeshit

    thanks anonymous poster
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:27 No.2682329
    >>2682320
    It's not silk, because silk isn't peasant enough.

    That's what the fucking bunad is, a recreation of peasant clothing.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:27 No.2682334
    >>2682327
    >Talks about the nearly non existing norwegian culture.
    >Norwegians can only resort to insults and begging the thread to go away.
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    >>2682320
    Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you preferred men

    Here, let me right my wrongs
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:29 No.2682347
    >>2682334
    >the faggo is still here
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:30 No.2682356
    Norwegian here. Norwegian culture cannot be defined properly, because it needs to be born anew, Christianity tore it down and infected it, we need a fresh start with old elements(pre-christianity) and new alike.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:30 No.2682358
    >>2682339
    Dat manjaw.
    >>2682347
    Good work proving my point.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:31 No.2682361
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    >Anders Behring "pig-sticker" Breivik getting his own sticky

    This is a proud day for sociopathic, nationalist, zionist nords everywhere
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:31 No.2682367
    >>2682356
    our norse culture is much more interesting than these fragments
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:32 No.2682368
    >>2682311

    I hope so, I said when his bullshit was dissected in court, he'd realise he was living in a fantasy world.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:32 No.2682370
    >>2682356
    sup Varg?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:32 No.2682372
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    >>2682358
    Yeah, I wouldn't want to ease your homosexuality away so quickly, so I went with a man jaw
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:33 No.2682378
    >>2682356
    Sure thing, then you're free to have guests over and give them food and your politeness, including a roof for the night, yeah? How about helping homeless people? Good old norwegian virtrues?

    Because it's inconvenience to you, that's why you won't do it, just as expected from norwegian "me" mentality
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:33 No.2682379
    Damn this thread is crap, it's got no info about the trial at all, just faggots arguing with each other.

    For Britfags, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9210659/Norway-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik
    -trial-day-three-live.html

    Self-updating text-stream of important things said. It's not neutral at all, but then again when is the media ever really neutral.

    Breivik does seem to be getting flustered at this stage however, he doesn't like how they keep asking him about the Templars, either because he is worried about revealing something he shouldn't or because he has just made up all the details and is angry he may get exposed by their persistent questioning.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:34 No.2682386
    >>2682372
    >Norwegian Snooki
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:34 No.2682387
    >>2682379
    >angry he may get exposed by their persistent questioning.
    DING DING DING
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:34 No.2682388
    >>2682379
    >Damn this thread is crap, it's got no info about the trial at all, just faggots arguing with each other.
    > just faggots arguing with each other.
    How do you like /pol/ so far?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:35 No.2682393
    >>2682378
    That didn't make any sense. Try again.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:35 No.2682394
    >>2682372
    Nice makeup, slut. How about a picture without makeup to hide your ugly norwegian features?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:37 No.2682403
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    >>2682394
    >>2682386

    I guess that was too much woman for you homosexuals

    I'll start at the bottom
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:37 No.2682411
    >Breivik this entire trial: OH NOES YOU'RE TRYING TO RIDICULE ME AND I WON'T ANSWER YOU IT WON'T WORK.

    He did a pretty good job of ridiculing himself with his manifesto copypaste job.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:38 No.2682417
    Damn, Breivik is pretty butthurt when someone actually question his claims
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:38 No.2682420
    >>2682393
    You know? The old "Gjestfrihet" code about feeding and sheltering strangers who needs it for the night?

    Do you even know anything about norse culture?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:39 No.2682422
    >>2682411
    I think he's handled it relatively well, what they do is very ruthless and exhausting, asking the same questions over and over slightly rephrasing it each time.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:40 No.2682433
    >>2682420
    But what's your point in relation to what I said?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:40 No.2682435
    >>2682403
    The fact that you have pictures of old women who could be your mother is worrying. You made a suit out of your moms skin yet?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:42 No.2682449
    >>2682433
    I'm sure he meant it as a positive aspect of old traditions.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:42 No.2682450
    >>2682433
    You said you want to go back to the pre christian traditions. Gjestfrihet is one of them, but you won't give that as it's a bother to you.

    You'll only choose the traditions "you" like that isn't inconvenience to you, showing a generic norwegian mentality of being selfish.

    So my point, if you really want to "go back" to those days, how about you go forward as a symbol and do the stuff instead of complaining about it?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:44 No.2682470
    >>2682450
    That part of our culture is dead. We can't be as accepting when tons of criminals and shady immigrants are shoveled in every day. To prove a point, many smaller rural communities still show that level of hospitality.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:45 No.2682476
    >>2682422
    Yeah, damn those ruthless people for bothering poor old Breivik who have done no wrong.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:45 No.2682480
    >>2682450
    A lot of projection going on there, I never mentioned any personal preferences particularly. And "showing a generic norwegian mentality of being selfish." The general attitude of the "individual" today is not something exclusive to Norway, it is a necessary attitude for a smooth functioning consumer society. And it isn't that being "selfish" is bad, it's how you are selfish, and aware of it.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:45 No.2682483
    >>2682476
    OH THE HUMANITY!
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:45 No.2682484
    Where can I actually watch the trial? All I can find are news casts with reporters blabbing on about shit. I want to hear the ACTUAL proceedings
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:47 No.2682491
    >>2682484
    The media is babby tier and won't broadcast anything.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:48 No.2682497
    I knew a Chinese girl who was brought up in Sweden and told me that in England, she only gets racist remarks once a week, and that this is a great improvement on her life in Sweden. There is definitely a problem with racism in Sweden.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:48 No.2682501
    >>2682470
    I grew up on an island with 10k inhabitants in the western part of Norway. The kind with a bedehus every stones throw.

    I can honestly tell you I've never encountered a more prejudiced and judgemental lot ever.

    Drug issues and suicide rates where I grew up was fucking skyhigh as well. This was during the 80s/early 90s.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:49 No.2682505
    >>2682480
    So you won't go back to the old traditions because that would mean you'd lose your precious consumer culture.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:49 No.2682510
    >Breivik supports either a death penalty or a release, and sees 21 years as a laughable and trite

    ALPHALPHA AS FUCK
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:50 No.2682522
    >>2682501
    >10k

    I live in a community of 600 people. 10k is a great deal and not fit for that mentality.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:51 No.2682527
    >>2682510
    Too bad he's getting forvaring then.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forvaring for the unitiated. He guaranteed getting forvaring by claiming he'd do the same shit all over again.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:51 No.2682530
    >>2682491

    The only way you can view it in English I believe is through text-streams of reporters who are there, but of course they inject everything with their own bias' and sentimental stuff that's irrelevant.

    I believe it can be viewed in Norway however, maybe someone from there could create a stream, I'm not sure.

    Anyway, cos I created a thread without seeing this one:

    >Asked whether he wanted Norway to change the law and introduce capital punishment in his case, Breivik replied: "I don't want that, but I would have respected it." He added that it was a "shame" that the lay judge who publicly favoured the death penalty had been removed from the bench yesterday.
    >Breivik: "“I consider 21 years of prison as a pathetic punishment.”
    >Beivik: "There are only two just and fair outcomes of this case. One is an acquittal, the other is capital punishment."

    From 20 minutes ago.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:51 No.2682531
    >>2682505
    No, firstly I do not want to regress, to "go back" but a mixture of new values both new and old adapted to the current times. And I'm not for the consumer culture, I only mentioned that as you seemed to see the current "selfishness" as something distinctly Norwegian, which it is not.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:52 No.2682533
    >>2682527
    Yeah, sad. He would respect a capital punishment verdict because he's just alpha like that.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:53 No.2682538
    >>2682522
    The part of the island where I lived consisted of roughly 2000 people spread over the southern half of the island. The 10k was the entire island/municipality at the time.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:54 No.2682542
    >>2682533
    Capital punishment != life in prison.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:57 No.2682561
    >>2682538
    Still, keep in mind how low the population would be in the olden days. You had farms with maybe a dozen people living relatively close to each other in the outbacks.

    We're Americanized to the point that one can't tell our values apart. Albeit high, I wonder why our obesity rates are as relatively low as they are.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:58 No.2682567
    >>2682542
    >cannot into reading
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)08:59 No.2682572
    >>2682567
    Yeah, I noticed it afterwards, just couldn't be arsed deleting the post.

    You mad about your hero rotting away in jail?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:01 No.2682584
    >>2682561

    >Albeit high, I wonder why our obesity rates are as relatively low as they are.

    Weather? Quality of food?
    I'd lean more towards the food quality end, murrika loves cheap pink slime and processed food.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:02 No.2682593
    >>2682561
    Our obesity ain't high? They're like 3% or something, just above Japan.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:03 No.2682603
    >>2682561
    There's more to american culture than just obesity.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:06 No.2682624
    Tomorrow - Every time Breivik says "pompous", take a shout of homemade vodka.

    Would liven up this thread immensely.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:07 No.2682631
    >>2682603
    I actually meant that in relation to our quality of living.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:11 No.2682665
    It is not surprising the race hatred come out of Norway. It has always had a very definite odour.

    There was a 'comedian' Otto Jespersen who in 2008 urged his nationwide TV audience to remember “all the billions of fleas and lice that lost their lives in the German gas chambers, without having done anything wrong other than settling on persons of Jewish background.”.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:13 No.2682679
    >>2682665

    Holy shit that joke is fucking hilarious! Get bent ya PC fuck.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:13 No.2682682
    >>2682665
    thats hilarious
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:14 No.2682702
    >>2682665
    It's PC tol make fun of jews and christians in Norway. Brown or black muslims are holy.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:15 No.2682705
    >>2682665

    That's pretty funny in a twisted way. I guess it depends on whether you are Jewish or not, welcome to being a minority enjoy your stay?

    Comedy is utilitarian by default really.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:16 No.2682721
    >>2682702
    No it isn't, people threw massive shitfits after that joke because jews are the holy calf.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:18 No.2682732
    >>2682702
    the jews hate norway, recently it was asked by jews living in norway to perform a massive research project about antisemitism so they could better weed it out
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:18 No.2682736
    >>2682721
    So when he made fun of Bondevik and people said that was too much, that suddenly means Bondevik also is holy now?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:19 No.2682746
    >>2682736
    It's not PC to make fun of a dude having a mental breakdown. I found both things funny however.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:20 No.2682747
    >>2682732
    There's 2000 jews in Norway, brah. And most of them in Oslo. Quit making it sound like some huge thing.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:21 No.2682759
    Breivik was just asked in court about religion.

    Siw Hallgren: "What is important to you in your christian faith?"
    Breivik: "Im a militant christian. Not very religious, but a bit."
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:21 No.2682769
    >>2682732
    Blame the muslims... or did they want to paint blond people as antisemites?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:22 No.2682775
    >>2682769
    Jews know the mere mention of antisemitism makes norway kowtow like a little bitch.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:23 No.2682778
    >>2682732

    >jews living in norway

    What, all 1200 of them?

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html

    Why are the Jews, a tiny tiny minority in many European country, even talked about? Who the fuck cares?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:23 No.2682787
    >>2682778
    Because muh holocaust and milking the fact some norwegian jews were turned over to the german occupation army.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:25 No.2682804
    Where can i watch his speech in court in english?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:25 No.2682809
    >>2682787
    So norvegians are bad at catching jews ?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:26 No.2682818
    >>2682809
    We never had that many in the first place.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:27 No.2682824
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    I made a joke about muslims once. It was awful.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:28 No.2682827
    >>2682804
    No cameras while the court is in session.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:29 No.2682843
    >>2682747
    >>2682769
    >>2682778
    many jews have written articles on norway being very against jews, also that, what's his name, leibowitz something, a quite famous one, the one who was responsible for getting finklestein fired more or less, wrote that norway was a dangerous anti-semitic nation, or at least was headed there slowly
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:30 No.2682851
    >>2682818
    Where does this idea that jews have to be in a large number to cause damage.

    whos fault is that we are being flooded, who demands open borders so holocaust can never happen again.

    who stands at the center of multicultralism, which Europe must become.

    who poisons the minds of young people with self-hatred, nihilism, to throw away values and morality. to do drugs, drink, sex, abortion... 'Democracy'... hah.

    who forces us to bow down to the holocaust religion. who owns the media?

    aftenposten is owned by george soros for fucks sake.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:30 No.2682860
    >>2682843
    Yeah, we're not kowtowing quite deep enough these recent years and ask them to follow through with the peace accords we brokered with the Palestinians.

    Muh antisemites.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:32 No.2682875
    >>2682851
    It's a conspiracy!
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:33 No.2682878
    >>2682530
    >I believe it can be viewed in Norway however, maybe someone from there could create a stream, I'm not sure.
    Verdens Gang seems to have a livestream (in Norwegian)
    http://direkte.vg.no/studio/rettssak-dag-3
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:33 No.2682885
    >>2682843
    Norway's Aryan credentials were established when it banned Jews in the early 19th century, while other countries were granting them freedom, and you have continued to display despicable prejudice ever since.

    It is no surprise to me that you gave birth to an Anders Breveik. The surprise was that he was an Islamophobe rather than an anti-semite.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:35 No.2682906
    >Jews accusing people of being antisemite
    >"JUST TO KEEP US DOWN"
    >Proceed to be properly antisemite
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:36 No.2682922
    >>2682759
    >Breivik: "Im a militant christian. Not very religious, but a bit."
    He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, is he?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:37 No.2682926
    >>2682922
    Nope, not the most successful businessman either.

    Something that most likely made him go full on Falling Down.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:38 No.2682930
    >>2682922
    Poorly translated, and out of context, I've been following the entire stream.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:39 No.2682952
    http://nrk.no/227/

    Can fire that through google translate if you don't understand norwegian.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:40 No.2682960
    >>2682930
    How would you translate it? (Or could you post what he said in Norwegian)
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:42 No.2682973
    >Breivik calls all norwegian men feminists and that they got no spine
    watch as the feed fills with whiny comments from men with too big glasses, tight jeans and obscure tastes
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:42 No.2682977
    Now he's seriously stating he believes he's lowered the threshold for conflict through his actions.

    Rote Armee Fraktion and others believed the same bullshit, look where it led them.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:43 No.2682988
    >>2682960
    - Hva er viktig for deg i den kristne tro? spør hun.
    - Jeg er en militant kristen, ikke så veldig relgiøs, men litt
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:44 No.2682998
    >>2682988
    - What's important for you in the christian belief? She asks.
    - I'm a millitant christian, not very religious, but a bit.

    Not like the original post was "out of context and poorly translated".
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:44 No.2683000
    >>2682926
    Yeah, I mean the psychological profile is clear enough, isnt it? A man in his thirties; failed to get a woman or family; tried to import a russian wife; dropped out of school; never held a job or got a career.

    Obsessed with getting some kind of 'status', having some kind of accomplishment to his name. So he pops some drugs and proceeds to gun down a bunch of unarmed kids.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:45 No.2683007
    >>2682988
    >>2682998
    Not the sharpest tool in the shed, is he?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:46 No.2683019
    >>2683007
    Like his supporters in /pol/, not really, no.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:46 No.2683021
    >>2682998
    There's no contradiction here, he only desires to propagate certain values.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:48 No.2683031
    >>2682875
    peas in a pan don't need to conspire
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:50 No.2683052
    >>2683021
    But the words 'militant christian' denotes - in English and Norwegian - that one is indeed very religious. A sharper tool would recognize that when answering the question, and elaborate as needed to get the intended point across.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:50 No.2683056
    Retard doesn't even understand the meaning of the word "Deconstruction", it's like watching /a/ debate in court.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:51 No.2683061
    Breivik: - I believe in God. I am a bit religious, but not particularly religious. I believe in an afterlife.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:52 No.2683066
    >>2683052
    Yes, but if you had payed attention to the whole context, you would see that there is no contradiction, he may formulated it differently, but I understood the point.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:52 No.2683072
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    >>2683056
    u mad?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:52 No.2683073
    15:50

    Breivik denies that Fjordman is his great source of inspiration. It's Al Qaida he's inspired by.

    Clever, clever, try to push the blame on the mussies. Too bad it's so fucking transparent.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:53 No.2683083
    >>2683072
    haha.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:53 No.2683091
    Breivik: An ethnic group that experiences the systematic deconstruction has the right to defend itself. I do not think it is a very controversial principle, Breivik answers to questions about the man he bases his opinions.

    Elgesem: - Do you think you have an international legal justification for your attacks?

    Breivik: - That's my universal human rights.

    Breivik refers to the concept of "cultural Genocide," which he also uses in the compendium.

    Breivik repeats several times that he believes there is a legitimate right to take action because the Norwegian ethnic group is about to be deconstructed.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:54 No.2683111
    >>2682930
    How can it have been taken out of context?
    Defense lawyer Lippestad finished his questioning, and they moved on to allow questions from the counsel, of which the very first question was the one we are discussing.
    It had no context.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:54 No.2683114
    >>2683091
    Too bad deconstruction means looking at a piece of literature and finding different interpretations than was intended by the author.

    Breiviktards gonna tard.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:55 No.2683120
    >>2683066
    No, we all understand what he meant. It's just painfully obvious that he's not very bright, or he he would have been more articulate.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:56 No.2683132
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    >>2683114
    >thinks words can only have one meaning
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:57 No.2683140
    >>2683120
    I'll agree that his genius does not lie in the intellectual but more so the practical.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:57 No.2683148
    15:55

    What do you mean with the term millitant nationalist, Breivik is asked by Judge Lyng.

    15:56

    Breivik - It's a nationalist that's millitant.

    Sharpest tool in the shed strikes again. It's like trial against a person that read a dictionary once.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:58 No.2683154
    >>2683148
    They started at 9, naturally he's grown tired.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:58 No.2683157
    >>2683132
    Then pray tell, what does deconstruction mean?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:59 No.2683161
    >>2683148

    I think he said that mockingly, he has already asked her to stop asking stupid questions.

    I think they are trying to rile him so he loses credibility, it was working before.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)09:59 No.2683163
    > says he is not racist
    > want no more than 2% immigrants

    why no one supports racism nowadays ?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:00 No.2683175
    >>2683114
    Harks back to the William Lind and the Free Congress Foundation spinning a lunatic conspiracy theory about how all that boring culture studies theories - e.g. Frankfurt school, post-structuralism, Derrida, what have you - is really a sinister plot to bring down The West.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Congress_Foundation

    From the ass of U.S. conservative think tanks into the mouth of European mass murderers.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:00 No.2683176
    >>2683161
    He never had any credibility in the first place when you look at his wet suit photos and uniform with random pieces of shrapnel bought from the internet strapped on.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:00 No.2683181
    >>2683157
    In this setting it is literal. Only applied to abstract terms and values, being replaced with something else eventually.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:01 No.2683194
    >>2683181
    *eventually
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:02 No.2683211
    >>2683140
    >implying shooting Norwegian teenagers requires genius
    >not like shooting fish in a barrel
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:04 No.2683240
    >>2683140
    Doesn't take much genius to pull a trigger. Only reason he succeeded at anything in life is because Norway is pretty chill and laidback and there's not been any gunfire or shells going off since WW2.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:04 No.2683244
    >>2683181
    But they really got the term from Derrida, only they misinterpreted what it meant. See:

    See >>2683175
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:06 No.2683264
    >>2683244
    I guess they deconstructed the term deconstruction and found meaning there not intended by the person responsible for coining the term.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:08 No.2683281
    >>2683264
    Touché. A very empowering exercise, no doubt.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:09 No.2683295
    Breivik is a huge admirer of Ayn Rand. Whocuddanown?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:09 No.2683296
    - Dommer Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: I manifestet siger du att du har en kempe penis som er 45cm. Stemmer dette?

    - Anders Behring Breivik: 45cm? Nei det er ett slarv, de ska stå tum, ikke centimeter.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:09 No.2683302
    Breivik Trial Drinking game.

    - Every "pompous" take a sip.

    - Every "deconstruction" finish the drink.

    - Every "marty" finish the bottle.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:10 No.2683310
    >>2683302
    Whoops, *martyr.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:13 No.2683343
    >>2683296
    >kempe penis
    Norska är ett för skojigt språk...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:15 No.2683365
    >>2683343
    Except that's danish you effeminate fucking swede.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:22 No.2683432
    >>2683343
    Thats not Norwegian, buddy.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:27 No.2683479
    >>2682988
    It's worded the exact same fucking way.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:28 No.2683491
    >>2683432
    >Implying Danish, Norwegian etc are anything but bastardized mongrel versions of Swedish
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:28 No.2683492
    >>2683264

    Hey hey, I have a question!

    How come that the phrase "Deconstructing Racism" gives 12,600 hits on Google whilst "Deconstructing Anti-Racism" gives 7 hits?

    I mean, you could well argue that anti-racism is far more prevalent in today's society than racism and hence should be subject to far higher academic interest.

    When academics today "Deconstruct" something then this is fully and entirely simply a way of studying something - so how come that racism is of intense interest yet anti-racism is of practically absolutely zero interest in spite of being so prevalent?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:30 No.2683513
    >Breivik claims he's read an assortment of books related to his ideology since a time after he turned 18, but he only remembers one out of them: Ayn Rand

    OH WOW
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:32 No.2683531
    >>2683175

    > spinning a lunatic conspiracy theory about how all that boring culture studies theories - e.g. Frankfurt school, post-structuralism, Derrida, what have you - is really a sinister plot to bring down The West.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

    >The Frankfurt School (German: Frankfurter Schule) refers to a school of neo-Marxist interdisciplinary social theory,

    > not a sinister plot to bring down the West
    > neo-Marxist

    You are just an example of the universal maxim that left-wingers cannot be trusted in any way, and hence killing them is necessary for society to progress and enjoy intellectual development (that is, the loss of Marxism and neo-Marxism would in itself enable a greater intellectual benefit).
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:32 No.2683535
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    >>>/b/394206106
    THEY ARE TAKING DONATIONS TO NDL
    NORWEGIAN DEFENCE LEAGUE. gEt ThE fUcK IN HERE
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:32 No.2683537
    >>2683492
    It's been a while since I did culture studies, but isn't a premise of these cultural theories that a goal is to empower marginalized groups (e.g. minorities, women, gays etc) in society against the WASP 'hegemony'? It's all ideologically leftin origin, in the tradition of Marx...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:33 No.2683541
    >>2683513
    He doesn't need books when he has Wikipedia
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:34 No.2683555
    >>2683531
    >I WILL KILL LEFTIES HURR DURR
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:35 No.2683572
    >>2683537

    No, left-wingers know that sociological studies are simply "studies" and are not performed to further a particular goal.

    Alternatively we could kill the left-wingers, and then we could have a stunningly good discussion over a good meal of the relationship between various studies and potential goals and what they imply.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:36 No.2683576
    >>2683555

    I can only smile, like Breivik. ;)

    U mad?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:37 No.2683581
    >>2683531
    You're missing the point. To everyone but right wing loonies, the Frankfurt School etc is boring stuff you have to read in Art School that no one gives a shit about outside the academic wankery of the Culture Studies field.
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    >>2683555
    Are you perturbed? Shh, no tears, only Anders now.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:37 No.2683584
    >>2683491
    Denmark owned your blonde asses back in the days. Don't get uppity with them!
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:38 No.2683589
    >>2683576
    I aint even mad
    [spoiler]2/10
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:40 No.2683611
    >>2683584
    Lol, back when we had to send Beowulf to save your pussy ass from Grendel, his mom and the dragon? Yeah...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:40 No.2683615
    >>2683581

    ... Except, of course, if people who have done "boring cultural studies" dominate your media and cultural institutions (and those cultural institutions are very visible and very state-funded).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemony

    "Cultural hegemony has deeply influenced Eurocommunism, the social sciences, and liberal and progressive activist politics. In the social sciences, its analytic application of discourse is important in anthropology, political science, sociology, and cultural studies. Moreover, in the field of education, cultural hegemony led to the development of critical pedagogy."
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:44 No.2683649
    >>2683615
    Like I said, I did those 'boring cultural studies'. I am ideologically left. How was I tainted by them, and what is my agenda?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:45 No.2683651
    >>2683615
    to add: I mean, if I was in the US I wouldn't understand this at all, because the state just doesn't fund culture in the same way. In Europe it's different, "cultural studies" are pretty much integrated in society and the public discourse.

    Bob says on public TV: "Hijab seems really bad"
    Within hours, articles and news reports have appeared condemning Bob based on those boring, cultural theories.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:45 No.2683657
    >>2683611
    In the Kalmar union, you were denmarks bitches. That aside, don't you have your ships to sink on their maiden trip?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:48 No.2683681
    >>2683657
    You're just buttdamaged by the germans taking denmark in a couple of hours with no casualties, while never daring to attack mighty Sweden xD
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:52 No.2683714
    >>2683651
    >Within hours, articles and news reports have appeared condemning Bob based on those boring, cultural theories.
    Nope, there has been a very strong public consensus in Sweden for a long time that tolerance is good, and intolerance bad. That's got nothing to do with e.g. the theories of structuralism, post-structuralism, etc taught in Art History class.

    It's got a lot to do with post WWII political consensus that the Nazis, Fascists and everything they believed in was wrong.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:56 No.2683754
    >>2683649

    It's impossible to say precisely how you were tainted by them. They affect everyone in different ways.

    I'll point out two central ones. Here's one first.

    Left-wing cultural studies have always effectively been very much based on a form of "accepted brainwashing". This has taken many forms, but been pretty universal.

    E.g. the "False Consciousness" had to be replaced by a "non-False consciousness". The notion of "Hegemony" implicitly said that the only way to change society is to change is hegemony.

    This implicitly places such a person into a role as "brainwasher for the cause of Good". You may have a problem with the term 'brainwasher' due to its connotations, but I kind of like it. The theory basically says, the way to change society is to change their subconscious associations and ways of thinking.

    Contrast this with the.. let's call it "classical", or extremely naive, way of looking at it. This way pretty much ignored the subconscious and pretended that the choices people took were rational according to some very big logical blocks in people's minds, based on explicit assumptions about facts. For example, in this model, the way for agreement to be created was to sit down and discuss the "facts" and their implications and various potential actions.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:57 No.2683763
    >>2683649

    With the new model, such a form of discussion becomes hopelessly redundant. The REAL way to convince someone is to affect their subconsciousness. That means what "should be said" is no longer decided according to the mythological/classical debating model where the "facts" are laid out - but rather, everyone themselves decide on their own "Good Agenda" and then try to change the minds of the listeners.

    Hence, although the "postmodern" approach to how opinions are formed may well be "more correct", it also turns everyone into secret agents with a brainwashing agenda. That is slightly exaggerating, but the other agenda, of naively stating pretend "facts", is plainly dead.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)10:59 No.2683787
    >>2683714
    >Nope, there has been a very strong public consensus in Sweden for a long time that tolerance is good, and intolerance bad. That's got nothing to do with e.g. the theories of structuralism, post-structuralism, etc taught in Art History class.

    Yes, we will pretend that left-wing thinkers have not been a significant part of the mental baggage of the current media and cultural people in Sweden.

    The reason feminists can create a state of normality towards saying "all men rape their girlfriends, well, maybe a very few don't" is because of the Nazis. The Nazis. You hear? The Nazis.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:02 No.2683801
    >>2683787
    You mean like how Breivik is now trying to create a state of normality towards saying "all muslims are terrorists and islam is inherently evil and violent"?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:03 No.2683810
    Is there a site with any live updates of the highlights I can check out?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:04 No.2683828
    >>2683810
    Court ended an hour ago.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:09 No.2683867
    >>2683754
    >E.g. the "False Consciousness" had to be replaced by a "non-False consciousness". The notion of "Hegemony" implicitly said that the only way to change society is to change is hegemony.
    The notion of "false consciousness" is part of Marx's theories. The concept of "hegemony" is from Gramsci, an italian marxist.

    Now, the "hegemony" concept - while having a specific meaning, as defined by Gramsci - existed before him, and is useful outside of his particular theories. It's useful as a synonym to "those groups who hold power in society".

    The concept "false conciousness" is strictly useful if one subscribes to the theories of Karl Marx. Suffice to say, not many people do that any more and the large majority on the political left dont. Thus, they dont talk about "false consciousness" and they don't aim to brainwash anyone.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:10 No.2683879
    >>2683801

    If it's possible to speak about a religion "being" something at all, then Islam is inherently evil, based on elements in the Quran and the Islamic faith which dictates strict adherence to it.

    And to link this to the above: Of course, a left-winger could defuse this and change my subconsciousness by simply saying: "Oh, but you cannot say that a religion "is" anything at all! I mean, there's so many nuances, so much uncertainty!" He then feels: "That's great, I have now affected his consciousness so that he doesn't think that way about Islam".

    The left-winger may later have a conversation with a Christian. He may say: "The Christian Faith has some good but also some bad elements in it". Of course, this contradicts totally what was just said to me. But his goal here is to affect the consciousness of a Christian, so he will have to say different words to them.

    This is a good-will attempt at presenting how I perceive left-wing behaviour stereotypically and essentially. It is a "fact" I am placing, essentially, on the table, to be evaluated or disputed. Except that this isn't how things work for left-wingers, so I'll just describe my hope for another Breivik.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:11 No.2683881
    >>2683828
    What's the verdict? Huffington Post isn't updated
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:12 No.2683902
    >>2683881
    Ended for today, shits running for weeks.

    And do you honestly think he's getting anything besides a guilty and 21 or 30 years + indefinate containment?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:15 No.2683929
    >>2683867

    Would you accept that Cultural Hegemony implied subconscious power, rather than just explicit, like legal and formal?

    Woud you accept that it's often said that poor people vote against their own self-interest?

    By the "taint" earlier, I'm referring to the method employed and the way of looking at the world.

    I try to lay out "facts" as I perceive them, being open about them being my perceptions, and open to have them challenged by other "facts".

    And to me, it does indeed look very much like left-wingers are extremely concerned with people having and developing the "right attitudes" and "right mentality". Do you disagree?*

    * Of course, your way of communicating will be the left-wing way as described, but I'll play along and pretend we do things the same way.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:15 No.2683932
    >>2683787
    Sure, "left wing thinkers" have been a huge force in Swedish politics. Not that many went to Art School though, and most weren't Marxists, but Social Democrats.

    The fact remains, that the values of tolerance and compassion came from not one place, but from many places. In particular, they came both from labour / left wing traditions, from liberalism and from Christianity.

    Post World War II, the social conservatism promoted by the Nazis in Germany and the Fascists in Italy was deeply discredited by the war and the Holocaust.

    That led to the values of their political opponents - labor, liberalism, compassionate Christianity - achieved hegemony in public Scandinavian discourse.

    Culture studies had nothing to do with it.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:17 No.2683955
    >>2683932
    social conservatism isn't nazism.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:17 No.2683956
    >implying you can open this 1430 page thread
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:18 No.2683971
    >>2683956
    1434 with this, and your computer must be shit.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:18 No.2683980
    >>2683956
    Get better internet, slavscum
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:19 No.2683987
    >>2683971
    It is, I can only read and reply to this thread from the main page.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:20 No.2684000
    >>2683932
    >Sure, "left wing thinkers" have been a huge force in Swedish politics. Not that many went to Art School though, and most weren't Marxists, but Social Democrats.

    >Implying that during the Cold War there weren't extremely strong Scandinavian far-left movements that have subsequently been integrated into the "mainstream left", at least on paper.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:20 No.2684001
    >>2683867
    >>2683754
    The notion of false consciousness has been largely replaced by Althusser's theory of ideological interpolation and the ideological apparata of the state.

    The leading idea in many Marxist theories of knowledge is not how to subvert the state apparatus by reprogramming the subconscious of the multitude, it is to firstly achieve individual intellectual emancipation from the ideology-production of those who control the economic productive base, the bourgeois. It would be impossible to do so through reasoning, since we are not only dealing with bourgeois reasoning, but also with their morality, sensibility, etc. The leading discourse is totally prevalent, so emancipation from it can only be achieved by becoming a critically-minded humanist polymath.

    Of course this can be interpreted as emancipation from 'European culture' such as has been constructed and retouched into the last 2 or 300 hundred years.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:22 No.2684021
    >>2683929
    >Would you accept that Cultural Hegemony implied subconscious power, rather than just explicit, like legal and formal?

    In the context of Gramscian/Marxist theories, I'm sure it does. But far from everyone using the word "hegemony" is a subscriber to Marxism... There are very few Marxists left.

    >Woud you accept that it's often said that poor people vote against their own self-interest?
    In the United States this is often said by Democrats - in Europe very rarely so.

    >By the "taint" earlier, I'm referring to the method employed and the way of looking at the world. I try to lay out "facts" as I perceive them, being open about them being my perceptions, and open to have them challenged by other "facts". And to me, it does indeed look very much like left-wingers are extremely concerned with people having and developing the "right attitudes" and "right mentality". Do you disagree?*

    Most people want other people to agree with their political views. That includes people who are politically "left".

    But I suspect you're conflating that with the fact that cultural conservatism was deeply discredited by WWII and other events in the 20th century, which led to a strong consensus among "the elites" - usually social liberals or labor - in support of the values of tolerance and compassion.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:22 No.2684027
    >>2683955
    >social conservatism isn't nazism.

    he was saying the obverse, that Nazism is inevitably socially conservative. And because of the horrors of the Nazi occupation, the far right was discredited everywhere throughout Europe.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:23 No.2684041
    >>2683955
    No, but Nazis and Fascists are social conservative. They are a subset of social conservatism..
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:24 No.2684049
    postin in a stickied thread who is breivik?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:24 No.2684057
    >>2684027
    No. Social conservatism is NOT Nazism or Fascism for that matter.
    I can provide a long list of Social Conservative parties in existence today. Many in Europe.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:28 No.2684115
    >>2684000
    >Implying that during the Cold War there weren't extremely strong Scandinavian far-left movements that have subsequently been integrated into the "mainstream left", at least on paper.
    Sure, but they never accounted for more than 5-6 % of the population, judging by the result of elections at the time. Out of those 5-6% about 95% were ostensibly "marxists" but rejecting Stalinism, Maoism, etc.

    The "reintegration" your talking about in reality meant that these people lost faith in marxism post 1990s and became just supporters of labor / Social Democracy. Thus they are no longer Marxists and does not subscribe to the Marxists concept of "false consciousness".
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:28 No.2684119
    >>2683929
    >I try to lay out "facts" as I perceive them, being open about them being my perceptions, and open to have them challenged by other "facts".

    "facts" indeed. Today you see that Europe is caught within a situation where it is posited that it is only logical to appease international capital by destroying the state, and thus the welfare of the multitude, for the good of our collective survival. What the left would say is that there can be no logic in subjugation and that the fight to be led is not by reasoning through a losing battle for our civic and human rights, but to abolish the current system through popular resistance.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:29 No.2684127
    >>2684001

    >it is to firstly achieve individual intellectual emancipation from the ideology-production of those who control the economic productive base, the bourgeois. It would be impossible to do so through reasoning, since we are not only dealing with bourgeois reasoning, but also with their morality, sensibility, etc.

    Except that this narrative in order to idealise itself must by necessity contain a vital implicit components: That the Bourgeoisie intellectual framework, morality, sensibilities etc. is somehow "false" or "invalid" or "unnatural".

    If you do not make that idealistic presumption, then you're simply removing from people one way of thinking, and either (probably most of the time, almost universally) supplying them with another way of thinking, or, leaving them to find their own (which they can subsequently be emancipated from, ad infinitum).

    There's obviously strong similarities and the same "replacing the thoughts in people's heads" component to it. But thanks, I'll read up on him.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:31 No.2684149
    >>2684057
    Are you slow? Nazism and Fascism ARE socially conservative ideologies. They ARE NOT the same thing as Social Conservatism writ large.

    learn2settheory
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:32 No.2684158
    >>2664001
    >He's responsible for the biggest terrorist attack in Europe. The fact that it's done by a right winger and not a Muslim will forever fuck with the promotion of xenophobic parties and stormfags alike.

    It's like you know nothing.

    Madrid train bombings: 190 killed, thousand injured.

    London July bombings: 56 killed, 700 injured.

    Breivik's a third.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:33 No.2684165
    >>2684057
    >I can provide a long list of Social Conservative parties in existence today. Many in Europe.

    Social conservativism inevitably translates to authoritarianism down the line, since its basic postulate is that moral permissiveness is leading the collective to 'decadence' and ultimately destruction. Anders' rhetoric about the social democrats supporting Norway's destruction by allowing the pernicious and fanatical Muslims in, is typical social conservativism with a well-fleshed out conspiracy theory. Another example is Hitler's burning of decadent art and the proscription of the work of Jewish authors.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:33 No.2684181
    >>2684149
    Like I said its not Nazism and Fascism.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:34 No.2684194
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9211988/Breivik-unable-to-distinguish-realit
    y-says-professor.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9211988/Breivik-unable-to-distinguish-realit
    y-says-professor.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9211988/Breivik-unable-to-distinguish-realit
    y-says-professor.html

    lolol?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:34 No.2684197
    >>2684158
    He personally killed twice the number of people compared to Bader-Meinhofen / RAF...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:36 No.2684216
    >>2684181
    No one said it was. Everyone's been saying that Nazism and Fascism are socially conservative movements. Thus social conservatism writ large was discredited by the atrocities committed by the nazis and fascists and WWII.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:36 No.2684218
    >>2684115

    >Sure, but they never accounted for more than 5-6 % of the population, judging by the result of elections at the time. Out of those 5-6% about 95% were ostensibly "marxists" but rejecting Stalinism, Maoism, etc.

    Really? You're saying that less than 1 in 400 people at the height of the left-wing movement (68'er generation) believed in either Stalinism or Maoism or any similar movement?

    And a highly disproportionate number of these have subsequently entered the professions that deal specifically with affecting the "public mind", such as cultural institutions, schooling and newspapers. Not a lot of accountants and fishermen in that lot.

    >The "reintegration" your talking about in reality meant that these people lost faith in marxism post 1990s
    [Citation required]. Few of them have actually said anything explicitly to that effect.

    >and became just supporters of labor / Social Democracy. Thus they are no longer Marxists and does not subscribe to the Marxists concept of "false consciousness".

    1. False logic - you presume someone cannot change just parts of their inner state in response to what's forced upon them by external circumstances, but rather that there is a strict binary "all or nothing".

    2. I did mentioned the "voting against one's best self interest", didn't I? You have in there a highly salient and implicit "false consciousness".

    Again, I cannot believe you _actually_ believe what you are saying, and you just reinforce my previous interpretation of left-winger behaviour and approach do debate and society.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:37 No.2684239
    >>2684194
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9211988/Breivik-unable-to-obey-cultural-marx
    ism-says-professor.html
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:39 No.2684254
    >>2684165

    >Social conservativism inevitably translates to authoritarianism down the line, since its basic postulate is that moral permissiveness is leading the collective to 'decadence' and ultimately destruction.

    But this is just an arbitrary mental construct.

    You could just as well say that multiculturalism ultimately cannot tolerate monoculture within multiculture and hence is actually monoculturalism because the end state will not have distinguishable sub-monocultures. There's an incredible amount of presumptions and tenuous connections in there.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:39 No.2684262
    >>2684239

    Real link, buddy.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:40 No.2684284
    >>2684216
    >>2683932
    This person argues they are the same thing and they were "discredited" and Social conservatism was replaced with Social democracy.
    This is false.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:42 No.2684318
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    >>2684262
    You dull boy.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:44 No.2684340
    >>2684218
    >Really? You're saying that less than 1 in 400 people at the height of the left-wing movement (68'er generation) believed in either Stalinism or Maoism or any similar movement?
    In the 1968 elections, 3% voted (non maoist-non stalinist Eurocommunist) VPK.
    Other communist parties accounted for 0% of the votes.
    Thus best guess is that <1% were stalinists / maoists and about 3% in total were communist. In other words, about one person in 33 if you learn2math.

    >[Citation required]. Few of them have actually said anything explicitly to that effect.
    No communist party receives >1% of the votes in present day swedish elections. Thus there are no marxists.
    >1. False logic - you presume someone cannot change just parts of their inner state in response to what's forced upon them by external circumstances, but rather that there is a strict binary "all or nothing".
    I live in Sweden, and I havent met one person proclaiming to be a marxist in years. And yet my own family is very left wing.

    >2. I did mentioned the "voting against one's best self interest", didn't I? You have in there a highly salient and implicit "false consciousness".
    Again, this is a common trope among U.S. Democrats (who are most certainly not Marxists). It's not a common trope in Europe. You just sound clueless trying to conflate that with marxian theories of false consciousness.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:46 No.2684364
    >>2684340
    >Thus there are *pretty much* no marxists.
    For the aspies
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:46 No.2684368
    >>2684254
    >There's an incredible amount of presumptions and tenuous connections in there.

    You mean my two direct examples with Breivik and Hitler as social conservatives?

    Otherwise, you are simply ignorant. It has been proven time and again that a 'strict upbringing' leads to an authoritarian mentality in the recipients of the upbringing. That is why the last UN declaration of children's rights forbid the corporal punishment of children.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:46 No.2684370
    >>2684021

    >In the context of Gramscian/Marxist theories, I'm sure it does.

    But Marxian/Gramscist theories were what we were discussing. If you were sure of that all along, why not say it?


    >But far from everyone using the word "hegemony" is a subscriber to Marxism... There are very few Marxists left.

    There are very few explicit Marxists left, but there's plenty of "neo-marxists" and "marxism-inspired left-wingers". The way of thinking about the world I was talking about is part of the core curriculum for any "cultural studies" student today. It would hence affect these similarly.


    >In the United States this is often said by Democrats - in Europe very rarely so.

    This is true - and it means this particular concept is widespread in the US, but not in Europe. At the same time it could not be widespread in Europe, because the "rich" today is largely the middle class, so you would be encouraging effectively "class warfare" (okay, an exaggeration, but the same concept) by a small poor segment against the larger, richer middle class. It's not said because it would be self-defeating, against the purpose, to say.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:47 No.2684381
    >>2684370

    >Most people want other people to agree with their political views. That includes people who are politically "left".

    That is true. What I am describing is different approaches taken to how to achieve this goal. Approaches that to me feel worlds apart.

    >But I suspect you're conflating that with the fact that cultural conservatism was deeply discredited by WWII and other events in the 20th century, which led to a strong consensus among "the elites" - usually social liberals or labor - in support of the values of tolerance and compassion.

    That's quite possible. Of course, today all of these people don't live any more, but their legacy lives on. You hence provide an example of a very strong motivation for someone to practice the methods I mention.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:50 No.2684434
    >>2684340
    Guy are you intentionally being disingenuous? Or do you not realise that Marxists in Europe infiltrate other parties. They do this worldwide. Either openly or secretively.
    It is quite easy to find out that many politicians in Europe had history of being Marxists or are openly Communist.
    Popular parties for them to join are labour movement parties. Recently Green parties have been infiltrated by them hence the term "Watermelons"
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:53 No.2684466
    >>2684368
    "Otherwise, you are simply ignorant. It has been proven time and again that a 'strict upbringing' leads to an authoritarian mentality in the recipients of the upbringing. That is why the last UN declaration of children's rights forbid the corporal punishment of children."

    Okay, at first I didn't really get why you mentioned this. Then I linked it with your other statement here: "Social conservativism inevitably translates to authoritarianism down the line"

    So what you are really saying is that if children are given a socially conservative upbringing then we are going to have the next Nazi Party next week? "From marriage between Man and Woman to the gas chambers"?

    1. This is again paranoid and bizarre. You could have e.g. a "moderate" degree of social conservatism based around a specific mythology of "freedom", in the classical US sense. The concept that this naturally an inevitably would lead to a _significantly_ authoritarian society is bizarre.

    2. If this is the motivation all along, why not say it? Why not say: "The reason girls should have firetrucks to play with is that I don't want them to start executing Jews in gas chambers"? Is that really how you think? If so you probably don't say it because people would laugh.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)11:57 No.2684520
    >>2684119

    >"facts" indeed. Today you see that Europe is caught within a situation where it is posited that it is only logical to appease international capital by destroying the state, and thus the welfare of the multitude, for the good of our collective survival. What the left would say is that there can be no logic in subjugation and that the fight to be led is not by reasoning through a losing battle for our civic and human rights, but to abolish the current system through popular resistance.

    And I would be very happy to discuss those claims. That's the point. Some relevant questions to this:

    - So are you nationalist or internationalist?

    - It seems to me that recent experience with the European Welfare State shows that dangerously many people will simply end up not working, or feeling that they are able to work. In the Soviet (okay, facetiously) they shot whoever they thought could work but didn't - so how can you combine a welfare state with an actual inducement to work? Does this work well enough in Europe?

    - Do you presuppose a totally flat income distribution / communistic concepts here?

    - Corporate net profit margins are often like 10% - does really everything stand or fall with a 10% income different for workers?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:00 No.2684551
    >>2684370
    >But Marxian/Gramscist theories were what we were discussing. If you were sure of that all along, why not say it?
    Because, again, the word is often used outside of a Marxist/Gramscian context, then meaning "the powers that be".
    >There are very few explicit Marxists left, but there's plenty of "neo-marxists"
    In Sweden: extremely few.
    >and "marxism-inspired left-wingers".
    To vague to be meaningful.
    >The way of thinking about the world I was talking about is part of the core curriculum for any "cultural studies" student today.
    Gramscian theories are part of the curriculum, other non-marxist theories are also part of the curriculum. If the implication of "way of thinking about the world" is that students are encouraged to agree with Marxist theory, then that is false. They are taught for historical notability. Like "calvinism" is taught in religious studies.
    >This is true - and it means this particular concept is widespread in the US, but not in Europe. At the same time it could not be widespread in Europe, because the "rich" today is largely the middle class, so you would be encouraging effectively "class warfare" (okay, an exaggeration, but the same concept) by a small poor segment against the larger, richer middle class. It's not said because it would be self-defeating, against the purpose, to say.
    It is prevalent in the United States because a certain type of left wing U.S. liberal is pissed and butthurt that Democrats lost a lot of elections from 1968, forward. It is their way of rationalizing why they keep loosing. It's got nothing to do with Marxian theory.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:05 No.2684596
    >>2684520
    >So are you nationalist or internationalist?

    Internationalist. There is no way to be left-democratic and nationalist.

    >It seems to me that recent experience with the European Welfare State shows that dangerously many people will simply end up not working, or feeling that they are able to work. In the Soviet (okay, facetiously) they shot whoever they thought could work but didn't - so how can you combine a welfare state with an actual inducement to work? Does this work well enough in Europe?

    Jobs are lacking because of the dire conditions and wages imposed by greedy companies. The solution is to write a social contract into the constitution disallowing businesses to enforce efficiency and frugality.

    >Do you presuppose a totally flat income distribution / communistic concepts here?

    No. Only a guarantee of the right to work and unconditional respect of benefits, pensions and working hours, which is the opposite of what is happening today.

    >Corporate net profit margins are often like 10% - does really everything stand or fall with a 10% income different for workers?

    These are enormous sums, and it is customary that managers get large rewards for manipulating the workforce to the stockholders' benefit. Management should be cut out and given over to the workers.

    I think the way of handling globalization is to simply expel the proprietors of any company who outsources and to seize their wealth currently in the country.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:07 No.2684607
    >>2684381
    >That is true. What I am describing is different approaches taken to how to achieve this goal. Approaches that to me feel worlds apart.
    My point was that your alleged "Marxist brainwashing" of the masses does not exist in Scandinavia, and never has. What you have is a hegemony of 'tolerance' ever since WWII, because 'intolerance' was discredited by old Adolf. Socially conservative parties typically get <10% of the votes in Sweden, and thus the elites all embrace "tolerance" as a core value.
    >That's quite possible. Of course, today all of these people don't live any more, but their legacy lives on. You hence provide an example of a very strong motivation for someone to practice the methods I mention.
    Those "methods" arent - and never has been - practiced. It's a conspiracy theory cooked up in a U.S. conservative think thank in the 1980s, far away from Sweden where people would just have told William Lind and Pat Buchanan that they were crazy.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:09 No.2684627
    >>2684434
    >THE SWEDISH LEFT AND RIGHT WING ARE BOTH INFILTRATED BY SECRIT COMMIES HURR DURR
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:10 No.2684635
    >>2684340

    >Thus best guess is that <1% were stalinists / maoists and about 3% in total were communist. In other words, about one person in 33 if you learn2math.

    You're telling me "learn2math"? This is crazy. I call out your blatant over-exaggeration, and then you become pissed off over it?

    And the Social Democratic party got 50% of the vote:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Social_Democratic_Party
    "The Social Democratic Party's position has a theoretical base within Marxist revisionism. "

    So you base everything on a tally of declared, voting Marxists, and then you exclude 100% of the 50% that vote a party with a Marxist Revisionist base?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:10 No.2684648
    >>2684635

    >No communist party receives >1% of the votes in present day swedish elections. Thus there are no marxists. ... I live in Sweden, and I havent met one person proclaiming to be a marxist in years. And yet my own family is very left wing.

    But this is stupid. The point isn't exactly who puts the label "Marxist" on themselves. You can believe in 90% of what Marx believed in and simply choose not to label yourself that way. What I am talking about is the landscape and distribution of beliefs whatever their label.

    The label is simply a herring here - I mentioned "false consciousness" and "Cultural Hegemony" as two aspects of essentially 'brainwashing theory', and suddenly the discussion comes down to precisely how many still put the Marxist label on themselves? Why on earth do you think I care about precisely how many voted for a Marxist party as opposed to how many generally agreed with Marxist-branched or related thinking?

    To finish this off - I am trying to be as honest as I can. I truly am. I am asking questions because I want to get at certain things. My consistent feeling is that left-wingers do not operate this way. Discussing with you here feels like pulling a tooth from a crazy child and a complete waste of time.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:15 No.2684704
    >>2684596

    Thank you for that. One curious aspect to me is that you are "Internationalist" yet extremely opposed to economic globalisation.

    But what you wrote shows is simply that you fall under what would be called far-left. I find many of the things you want morally and logically impossible.

    That's perfectly okay. Our discussion has hence revealed that there can basically be no common ground between us. At this point it's OK to stop talking.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:21 No.2684798
    >>2684607

    >That is true. What I am describing is different approaches taken to how to achieve this goal. Approaches that to me feel worlds apart.
    My point was that your alleged "Marxist brainwashing" of the masses does not exist in Scandinavia, and never has. What you have is a hegemony of 'tolerance' ever since WWII, because 'intolerance' was discredited by old Adolf. Socially conservative parties typically get <10% of the votes in Sweden, and thus the elites all embrace "tolerance" as a core value.

    But here we are describing the same thing just with different words.

    You say that post WW2 the "elites" felt a strong need for "tolerance" (let's take that at face value for the time being). They hence agreed on certain political and ideological truths that must drive society. Correct?

    The "new elites" of today are not the same people as lived then. They essentially have many of the same views as the "old elites", because of a form of.. hegemonic transfer, let's say, as personal conviction, correct?

    But the "non-elites" were excluded from this hegemony. And if someone grows up today with his Xbox, then he doesn't see any war or gas chambers, correct?

    But the non-elites are still subject and essentially controlled by this hegemony, correct? And there are some who want to change it in an "intolerant" way, but the elites resist and want to preserve it, correct?

    There we have most of what I'm talking about. The remaining point is simply the method by which this "hegemony" that we both agree exists amongst the "elites" becomes effective on the "non-elites."
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:22 No.2684807
    >>2684635
    Suffice to say, the Swedish Social Democratic party cannot reasonably be claimed "Marxist" at any point during the 20th or 21st centuries. That's just laughable. Neither have they subscribed to Marxian notions of "false consciousness".

    >So you base everything on a tally of declared, voting Marxists
    Not saying electoral results are conclusive evidence, but it's the best evidence we got, and it supports what I said.
    >and then you exclude 100% of the 50% that vote a party with a Marxist Revisionist base?
    That's a completely clueless statement. Again, the Swedish Social Democratic party was not "marxist" at any point in modern times and most certainly not under Tage Elander.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:26 No.2684858
    >>2684551

    >Gramscian theories are part of the curriculum, other non-marxist theories are also part of the curriculum. If the implication of "way of thinking about the world" is that students are encouraged to agree with Marxist theory, then that is false. They are taught for historical notability.

    To skip the rhetoric: The relevant question for my earlier assertion, that it seems sparked this entire rather pedantic discussion is: To what extent are the ideological frameworks today taught in "culture studies" frameworks that treat the subconscious, the implicit and "tacit knowledge" as of high significance in how people act?

    If this is taught, then it "taints", to refer to the expression in the very earliest post, those that study it for years.

    Such a "taint" would, almost by necessity, cause a disregard for the mythological/"classical" discussion as ineffective and meaningless and more of a charade or play for the audience. To repeat the point I stated initially.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:27 No.2684862
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    "I think that's what makes many Swedes jealous of immigrant groups. You have a culture, an identity, a history, something that brings you together. And what do we have? We have Midsummer's Eve and such silly things."
    - Mona Sahlin, Swedish Leftwing Politician
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:28 No.2684880
    >>2684862
    oh sweden...is there any hope left for you
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:28 No.2684884
    >>2684807
    >Suffice to say, the Swedish Social Democratic party cannot reasonably be claimed "Marxist" at any point during the 20th or 21st centuries. That's just laughable.

    Okay, you just skipped pretty much everything I said about the precise number of Marxists not really being meaningful.

    But according to this: Are you saying that the Wikipedia article is incorrect? And/or do you consider "Marxist Revisionism" to clearly and obviously be totally separate from "Marxism"?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:31 No.2684911
    >>2684648
    >But this is stupid. The point isn't exactly who puts the label "Marxist" on themselves. You can believe in 90% of what Marx believed in and simply choose not to label yourself that way. What I am talking about is the landscape and distribution of beliefs whatever their label.
    >The label is simply a herring here - I mentioned "false consciousness" and "Cultural Hegemony" as two aspects of essentially 'brainwashing theory',
    The facts are simply that the Social Democrat Party - which received ~50% of the vote in 1968 - does not subscribe to the Marxian notion of "false conciousness". Neither Gramsci nor Marx informed their policy platform. If you were a follower of Marx or Gramsci you had to look elsewhere - either arguably the 3% Eurocommunist VPK, or the smaller Stalinist and Maoist aligned parties which got pretty much no votes at all.
    >and suddenly the discussion comes down to precisely how many still put the Marxist label on themselves?
    If you dont believe in Marxism, you - trivially - dont believe in "false conciousness". That concept depends on Marxist theory.
    >To finish this off - I am trying to be as honest as I can. I truly am. I am asking questions because I want to get at certain things. My consistent feeling is that left-wingers do not operate this way. Discussing with you here feels like pulling a tooth from a crazy child and a complete waste of time.
    Here's another thought: you ate up some conspiracy theories and now you're angry and confused when other people think you're a crazy person.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:34 No.2684939
    >>2684884
    >Okay, you just skipped pretty much everything I said about the precise number of Marxists not really being meaningful.
    It's pretty stupid, isnt it. It's like a conspiracy theory where a cabaal of jews or masons control everything, but replacing "the jew" with some 20 year old leftie students.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:36 No.2684969
    >>2684884
    >But according to this: Are you saying that the Wikipedia article is incorrect? And/or do you consider "Marxist Revisionism" to clearly and obviously be totally separate from "Marxism"?
    It's a vague term that can mean many things. In the context of the Swedish SAP, in the 20th century and beyond, it means 'having once been tenuously related to, but no longer being Marxist whatsoever'.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:42 No.2685023
    >>2684858
    >To skip the rhetoric: The relevant question for my earlier assertion, that it seems sparked this entire rather pedantic discussion is: To what extent are the ideological frameworks today taught in "culture studies" frameworks that treat the subconscious, the implicit and "tacit knowledge" as of high significance in how people act?
    They are taught in various culture studies classes, much like how Calvinism is taught in religious history class. Does the latter mean that students of religious history are 'tainted' with Calvinism? No.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:45 No.2685066
    >>2684969
    >It's a vague term that can mean many things. In the context of the Swedish SAP, in the 20th century and beyond, it means 'having once been tenuously related to, but no longer being Marxist whatsoever'.

    Okay, in that case I cannot really trust what you're saying. It's obvious that modern Social Democracy shares many core elements and motivations with Marxism even if many methods of implementation and specific frameworks are different. I've written a finishing post and will let that be the last.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:46 No.2685085
    >>2685023
    >They are taught in various culture studies classes, much like how Calvinism is taught in religious history class. Does the latter mean that students of religious history are 'tainted' with Calvinism? No.

    That's true. But if you are taught to apply a Calvinist methodology in your studies, then that would make you inclined to apply a Calvinist methodology in your life as well, I guess is my point. But it seems we finally have reached some kind of conclusion and I've gotten what I wanted.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:47 No.2685098
    >>2684939

    >It's pretty stupid, isnt it. It's like a conspiracy theory where a cabaal of jews or masons control everything, but replacing "the jew" with some 20 year old leftie students.

    20-year old leftie students of yesterday would of course be the newspaper and television editors of today. But this is OK.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:49 No.2685132
    >>2685066
    >It's obvious that modern Social Democracy shares many core elements and motivations with Marxism even if many methods of implementation and specific frameworks are different.
    Insofar that they are both "left wing" movements and strive for greater equality, fighting poverty etc, this is true.
    Compare what we said earlier w/r/t social conservatism and Nazism. Nazism was socially conservative, the modern U.S. Republican party is socially conservative. Yet they are not the same. Marxism is an egalitarian political movement, the SAP is an egalitarian political party. Yet they are not the same.
    >Okay, in that case I cannot really trust what you're saying.
    Because you're a conspiracy loon?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:49 No.2685135
    >>2684911

    >If you dont believe in Marxism, you - trivially - dont believe in "false conciousness". That concept depends on Marxist theory.

    And here we the crazy rhetoric again. I used "False consciousness" as an example of a particular type of thinking that emphasises affecting behaviour by affecting reality. Whether someone believes in _exactly and precisely 100% of the same elements of this as Marx_ or believes in _90%_ of the same elements of _50%_ of the elements of this theory is irrelevant. As long as their theory is on essential measures similar to 'false consciousness'.

    And it is abundantly clear that the extreme left-wing focus on enforcing and creating the right "attitudes" is a legacy of this. Control actions through managing the subconscious.

    We've also later agreed it's precisely the situation that this methodology predominates the cultural studies of today, so that's basically bottom line for me.

    >Here's another thought: you ate up some conspiracy theories and now you're angry and confused when other people think you're a crazy person.

    That is hilarious. During this discussion I have pretty much been the least angry I have been so far in this thread. And you think from this that I am crazy?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:50 No.2685146
    >>2685135

    But I'll cut this here. The thing was, I was genuinely trying to find out how your heads work. What I really found was perfectly according to my previous impressions of left-wingers.

    You are anti-intellectual, anti-democratic and highly conservative around core beliefs. I have to wonder what it looked like when you had entire states acting like yourself during the Cold War.

    I supported an action like Breivik's and consider it morally justified to take revenge on left-wingers for their policies, and you have pretty much further confirmed that. I think you're an ugly and petty little person and I struggle to imagine the fucking hell that communist/heavily left-wing states would have been having to deal with that kind of shit every day.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:51 No.2685163
    >>2685085
    >That's true. But if you are taught to apply a Calvinist methodology in your studies, then that would make you inclined to apply a Calvinist methodology in your life as well, I guess is my point. But it seems we finally have reached some kind of conclusion and I've gotten what I wanted.
    Point being, Gramscian theory is one among many taught in culture studies classes. No one is encouraged to subscribe to it or some other theory. If anything, the bias is towards more modern, non-marxist theories...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:55 No.2685220
    >>2685146
    >I have to wonder what it looked like when you had entire states acting like yourself during the Cold War.

    Suffice to say, you had a *lot* of people openly supporting the Soviets. Anyone who opposed the USSR was a crypto-fascist. Fast forward to today and they have prominant positions in most European socialist parties, and always opposed communist tyranny, yes they did! See Joschka Fischer and Jack Straw for examples.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)12:56 No.2685245
    >>2685135
    >And here we the crazy rhetoric again.
    It's not "rethoric"; I'm telling you what the facts are. Protip: Take public speaking 101 and learn to tell the difference between "logos", "etos" and "patos"...
    >I used "False consciousness" as an example of a particular type of thinking that emphasises affecting behaviour by affecting reality.
    It's a specific concept, part of marxist theory and embrased by marxists and no one else. This is necessary and basic knowledge in order to know what one is on about...
    >Whether someone believes in _exactly and precisely 100% of the same elements of this as Marx_ or believes in _90%_ of the same elements of _50%_ of the elements of this theory is irrelevant. As long as their theory is on essential measures similar to 'false consciousness'.
    In the context of Modern Sweden, few people ever subscribed to Gramscianism, and it has had a very limited impact on public Swedish discourse. The traditions of Social Liberalism, Labor movements and Compassionate Christianity had far greater impact.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:00 No.2685297
    >>2685220
    Post the Great Purge/Moscow trials, support for the USSR among western lefties was negligible. Trufax, history said so don't bother him about it.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:02 No.2685325
    >>2685135
    >During this discussion I have pretty much been the least angry I have been so far in this thread. And you think from this that I am crazy?
    Sounds pretty plausible to me...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:09 No.2685429
    You political correct people. You piss your European brothers in the face when they try to warn you. You want to give multiculturalism to people that are AGAINST multiculturalism. Don't you understand that there's a great diversity already in Europe, and we actually managed to have a good thing going. Why do you think it's breaking now? Because of the muslims, ppl understand that they actually hate us. Don't use this Breivik showtrial to start thinking that everyone that is against multicult. is like him. Don't be so low.

    claim to be allknowing when it comes to the inner emotions of people from a completely foreign culture. You refuse to listen to your brothers when they talk about how dangerous this immigration situation is, but gladly side with people from a foreign culture who are in fact against multiculturalism you give the benefit of the doubt even though their culture is anti-everybody-else.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:12 No.2685474
    >>2685429
    But we will use this Breivik trial to crush you. That has been our plan all along, and you played right into our hands.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:24 No.2685635
    >>2685429
    Don't you understand?

    The anti-Whites HATE you and want to destroy your race.

    They are using non-Whites as a weapon of war against you and your family.

    Have you been culturally enriched today?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:27 No.2685677
    >>2685635
    >The anti-Whites HATE you and want to destroy your race.
    Not our race, though. Just you.

    I dont want a sand nigger to rape my sister. I just want him to rape your sister.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:27 No.2685686
    Breivik is a faggot. How can you oppose multiculturalism and support the Jews?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:28 No.2685712
    So, according to /pol/, killing people is a valid approach to politics.

    Would you think I was a monster if I tried to change society to be more liberal by murdering a camp full of conservative kids? I mean, not that there's anything wrong with murdering political enemies.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:29 No.2685724
    >>2685474
    Breivik has stated during the trial he intentionally made his nationalist intentions known in relation to the crime in order for their to be a deliberate backlash against the right wing demographic. He then hoped this new pronounced revolt and subsequent crackdown would create resentment amongst the right wing and further polarise their society, which would lead to a more strained environment which would be more likely to lead to open revolution.

    So, you using the Breivik trial to play into left wing propaganda hands, is actually in fact, playing directly into Breiviks initial intention.

    As much as he is an under-educated, naive loser, he is nonetheless a very intelligent man who has a well thought out strategy
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:32 No.2685771
    >>2685724
    No, he's right about the increased polarization. He just didnt factor in that we control everything and we were expecting some loon like him to give us the pretext to eradicate you. Now we're hoping for more right wing loons to follow in his footsteps so we can implement the purges... He's a useful idiot. Wouldnt surprise me if one of our operatives gave him the idea.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:34 No.2685784
    >>2685724

    >expecting to be able to inspire a violent revolution in 2012

    What a retard. Breivik confirmed for having 0 understanding of how the world works.
    >> DCPagan !!paTigYENfdV 04/18/12(Wed)13:36 No.2685814
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    Although I disagree with his methods, I cannot help but to sympathize with Anders Breivik. Political correctness and state-subsidized and protected multiculturalism and Marxism are destroying Europe. I highly suggest reading his manifesto; they really show Europe's current social, cultural and political plight.

    The Free Market will fix multiculturalism.
    Most immigrants are welfare parasites whose destructive lifestyles are subsidized with welfare checks, and some of them do not even contribute by paying taxes. Abolishing Socialism and the welfare state will repel these delinquents and irresponsible breeders and instead attract productive immigrants that come to Europe to better their life through a diligent and responsible lifestyle.

    Some obligatory links for this thread:

    >Anders Breivik's 1,500-page manifesto
    http://archive.org/details/2083AEuropeanDeclarationOfIndependence
    >Some points to consider about Anders Breivik's motivations:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYEMYwJ0DgA
    >Swedish multicultural propaganda
    >Grotesco - Blanda Upp
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCDMGu-xi30
    >Lyrics
    http://pastebin.com/i5XC2MT5
    >Stormfront's reaction
    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t754181/
    >Elin Krantz, an actor of that music video, was later found raped and dead, her corpse found in a dumpster.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB6r4lI-Orw&feature=fvst

    By Celestia, I spend way too much time in /pol/.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:38 No.2685853
    >>2685814
    >I highly suggest reading his manifesto
    >1800 confused pages of a rambling madman who lived in his mom's basement
    >fullretard.jpeg.wmf.exe
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:41 No.2685891
    >>2685771
    There's no "we". I don't identify with his actions, nor with the extreme left.

    The problem is, as much as Breivik beleives nonsense in regards to many things, fundamentally he has a very legitimate concern/grievance shared by a great deal of the population - that being the erosion of historical social mores at the expense of appeasing a recent influx of immigrants - many who are not adopting the social standards of their host country, but actively attempting to incorporate foreign influence.

    The mistake of the west would be to ignore this situation. People have a legitimate reason to oppose this, and to shut it away will inevitably cause resentment and future revolt of varying degrees.
    Breivik should be made null and void for his actions - not by proxy, the premise that lead to his tragic and idiotic crimes.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:41 No.2685898
    the archetypical /pol/tard
    http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=51897
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:45 No.2685932
    >>2685891
    Maybe you don't consider yourself belonging to a 'we', but our opinion is that you do. You belong to our enemies, and now you've given us a pretext to deal with you in an expedient manner. You're now all enemies of the state and a national security risk...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:45 No.2685934
    >failure at life
    >blames humanity/minorities for it
    >murders people in cold blood
    >covers it with incoherent *ideological* ramblings intended to justify his heinous acts and make him look like a shinning knight/007
    So hard to figure why he has so many fans here.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:48 No.2685961
    >>2685934
    Just give it up already. No one likes you anti-White losers.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:53 No.2686016
    >>2685891
    Things change. Deal with it. It's typical from people in their teens and people who never got over them to fear change. Like many here, he is a manchild, someone who never became self sufficient and self reliant and harbors a huge resentment towards society due to this. Next step is to slip into a world of fantasy where he is a valiant knight saving the world. The only problem is, his bravery consists in murdering innocent unarmed people.
    We have to become adults and deal with complex situations maturely. Like Breivik, most of you can't do it.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:54 No.2686040
    >>2685932
    Personally, I support the destruction of judeo-christian morality and social constructs within society, and rebuilding society and morality that is relevant to modern people. Adopting/understanding foreign influences is a part of that.

    However, I also fully support a nations desire to retain its cultural identify. My respect is also not conditional of East/West, religious affiliation or race.
    There was an article in the Guardian a couple days ago where they were dismantling Breiviks "factual" claims. One of them being, Breivik claiming Norwegians would be a minority to immigrants within 5 years. The Guardian countered this by stating statistics suggest this wouldn't be reached until at least 2040.
    That's less than 30 years in which a land that has had a significant cultural impact and legacy for over a millennia is facing eradicating in pursuit of an ideology that is based on multiculturalism, irrelevant whether the results of such a social condition is beneficial or not.
    As stated before, I don't share these interests in cultural preservation, however I respect and understand for many, many people, the fact they are facing cultural genocide (and I don't mean the term facetiously) is a legitimate and worrying concern.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)13:55 No.2686041
    wow 
    I totally respect his remarks on death penalty. 21 years is a fucking joke and he is exposing the hypocrisy of the liberal scum justice system.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)14:02 No.2686136
    >>2686041
    He'll be in there for life, don't you worry.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)14:05 No.2686173
    >>2685961

    But but most failures in life turn out to be like Breivik! *Cough* Hitler *Cough*
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)14:06 No.2686180
    >>2686173
    dat brainwash
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)14:10 No.2686221
    >>2686040
    >Guardian countered this by stating statistics suggest this wouldn't be reached until at least 2040.
    Norway has 5 million citizens and about 120k immigrants from muslim countries. The latter make up about 2,5% of the population.

    Eurarabia is bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)14:11 No.2686235
    >>2686221
    in 2040 norway half of norway will be immigrants according to statistics
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)14:19 No.2686299
    MFW american bros starting to speak out

    http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=51897
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)14:19 No.2686303
    >>2686235
    Most immigration is on account of Schengen from EU countries, because Norway has loads of cash and good salaries. What your lot is on about is muslim refugees, and those are negligible. In other words: leave Schengen and keep current refugee laws ad you aint got a problem. Stay in Schengen and labor will continue moving about within the EU and other signatories such as Norway - whether you allow refugees or not...

    The Eurabia bullshit would only be credible if net muslim refugees to the Schengen area would be big enough to radically grow the muslim population of the Schengen area - but it isnt.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)14:35 No.2686446
    >>2686299

    Imagine some random Norwegian publicly saying the same about the 9/11 attacks. The US would probably invade Norway and start a genocide, just like they did in Afghanistan.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)14:43 No.2686529
    >>2686446
    >>2686446
    yeah no egyptians praised 9/11 and egypt didn't get invaded
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)14:45 No.2686555
    >>2686529
    >implying those Egyptians werent thoroughly 're-educated' by Mubaraks security forces
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)14:50 No.2686606
    >- It was like watching a war movie. I thought I was in a nightmare and that I would soon wake up. I pinched my arm several times, said Gudrun, 17 years old. A friend of Gudrun fell to the ground. Breivik killed him with one or more shots.- I was sure I would die. I sent text messages to loved ones and wrote how much they meant to me. It was a farewell, says Gudrun. She sent very different messages to her mother and her father. The father had to take some of the daughter's agony, but the mother was spared. - To my mother, I wrote that I was safe and that everything will go well, says Gudrun. - In the end, I was indifferent to death. I was so sure I would die that I no longer cared about what I saw. The fear was that I thought that this was not something I would be able to cope if I survived.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)14:52 No.2686626
    Why do we like Brevik again? All those people killed and he only managed to kill a couple darkies.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)14:52 No.2686628
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    >>2686606
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)14:53 No.2686633
    >>2686626
    How about you read through some of the thread, nigger
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)14:57 No.2686670
    >>2686633
    >implying I'm the nigger
    >implying you're not the nigger

    Explain it to me slave, or you get the whip again.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)15:39 No.2687234
    Fuck Breivik, keep prasing him as some savior of you're little cult, but fuck him, fuck his political views, and fuck the idiots who only gave him 21 years.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)15:46 No.2687318
    >>2687234
    >you're little cult

    AWESOME! I've always wanted to be a little cult!
    >> ImplyingImplications !!maaS/hB0pVp 04/18/12(Wed)15:48 No.2687340
    >over 1500 posts

    has there ever been more than this?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)15:50 No.2687375
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    >>2687318
    my little cult couldnt possibly be this cute
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)16:28 No.2687897
    >>2686626

    Because he killed the next generation of the people who let the darkies in.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)16:31 No.2687947
    We should just put that faggot in an arena with the muslim extremist faggots and have a deathmatch.

    That way they can fight each other and we all get some entertainment value out of it.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)16:33 No.2687976
    >>2687947
    >implying Breivik would last a minute
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)16:34 No.2687995
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    >>2686221

    Keep telling that to yourself.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)16:35 No.2688009
    >>2687947

    But the problem is, he doesn't "hate" other races. He just doesn't want them in his country trying to force Sharia law.

    He'd be fine with them if they stayed in their own country, not trying to destroy his way of life.
    >> ... FaQu 04/18/12(Wed)16:35 No.2688010
    Fucking AUF is like the Hitlerjugent...
    Political camps for children to be brainwashed..
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)16:41 No.2688094
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    >>2688010
    U mad?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)16:42 No.2688100
    >>2688010

    I guess so are the boy scouts.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)16:45 No.2688149
    not sure if this has been posted yet

    http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=51897
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)16:47 No.2688188
    >>2688094
    Looks like the fucking Hamptons
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)16:51 No.2688256
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    >>2664350
    so much win
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)17:03 No.2688396
    >>2688149
    It has, pretty cool to see american bros speaking out
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)17:10 No.2688482
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    Although this Breivik person did a terrible crime I must implore him to never, as a European citizen, be sentenced to death. His death won't bring the loved ones lost by the others back. The more he continues on about conceived 'self-defence' the dumber he looks, and the more fun of him people make. This guy can't be taken serious, again, I must repeat, I'm against the death sentence but advocating a prison sentence. A man so insane won't be safe amongst my aryan kids, after all-> he killed all races. I would hide my aryan kids even if he didn't target them, I don't like to see people die and get killed for just having been born a different skin color or eye color into some religious family.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)17:17 No.2688583
    >>2688482

    Just tell your kids not to work to fuck up a nation just for the sake of other people on the opposite side of the world.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)17:18 No.2688596
    >>2688583
    >win elections
    >rule the country
    >haters gonna hate
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)17:40 No.2688976
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    Men så var det bare for sent
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)17:42 No.2689002
    >>2688482

    We don't sentence people to death, that is why we have judges and don't let plebs decide that kind of thing.

    I still think he should have been institutionalized.

    That guy is insane, his whole manifest is proof of paranoid schizophrenia he developed for years because he could not deal with his parents.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)17:44 No.2689020
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    det var bare vi som kunne forhindre det
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)17:46 No.2689050
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    alt håp er ute
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)17:51 No.2689149
    >>2665929
    >(such as killing only journalists at one specific event, you can find it in the trial proceedings).
    Does anyone have sauce for this?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)17:53 No.2689177
    >>2689050
    >>2689020
    >>2688976

    Jeg aner ikke hvem du er, men jeg elsker deg.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)17:56 No.2689229
    >>2689149
    Yes, it's called the SKUP conference, it's an annual circlejerk of left-wing journalists.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)17:56 No.2689243
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    >>2689050
    Jeg hjelper deg litt jeg
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)17:58 No.2689268
    >>2689229
    I see, thanks. Do you happen to have a link? I might need it for a discussion.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)17:59 No.2689286
    >>2689229

    Just found a quote. He says that he considered the SKUP conference a more legitimate target, but despite working really hard he wasn't able to make it. That's the man.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:01 No.2689313
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    DØD OG LIDELSE
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:04 No.2689366
    >Claims to have had a meeting in London with the Knights Templar
    >Claims to have a British mentor
    >Thinks Muslims are taking over

    You realise that's he's talking about the English Defence League right? It's an obscure way of explaining that he's a member of the EDL, but he wants to make it sound more glamorous than it really is.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:05 No.2689392
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    >>2664349
    Fuck them too.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:06 No.2689406
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    >>2689313
    Kanskje du burde lære deg photoshop elns?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:07 No.2689422
    >>2686446
    >Imagine some random Norwegian publicly saying the same about the 9/11 attacks. The US would probably invade Norway and start a genocide, just like they did in Afghanistan.

    Don't feel like seeing that, but there were plenty of Norwegian academics who said that the US had brought 9/11 upon themselves and "understood" the attackers. As far as I'm aware they still work in academia. I remember it because I raged at the time. Now I lol.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:08 No.2689455
    >>2689422
    Good, they were right. It's just an inconvenient truth.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:10 No.2689487
    >>2689455

    It's an optional thing to say. According to basic rules of causality you can say that most things caused most things. The question is just if you want to say it. The people in question wanted to.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:13 No.2689535
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    >>2689406
    ja, kan du lære meg?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:18 No.2689618
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    >>2689422
    >fuck up third world countries, kill millions of innocents
    >start crying when someone retaliates
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:18 No.2689620
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    >>2663900
    Ok, tutorial i neste post
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:18 No.2689625
    >>2689406
    >jens

    poenget er å poste kapable ledere vi ville hatt til å styre landet, ergo Ron Paul i originalen

    jens kan være liberalnisse i skapet sitt
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:20 No.2689651
    >>2689487
    The attacks on 9/11 were a direct result of US foreign policy. This is a fact, you can't deny it.

    Bin Laden said it himself.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:22 No.2689683
    >>2689651
    In fairness, Bin Laden is pretty much just as insane as Breivik.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:23 No.2689693
    Spare me the amateur psychoanalysis, libtards.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:24 No.2689716
    >>2689651
    And you know what we did as a result? We sent more troops over there, and were still there. We should get them out for the sake of the economy and lives, we already killed bin laden, why the fuck are we still there?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:26 No.2689744
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    >>2689625
    >impliserer vi har noen dugelige politikere i Norge

    Jens smiler og det er underforstått at han er den sanne ondskapen


    >>2689535
    1. Last ned Adobe After Effects
    3. Åpne en ny komposisjon
    2. Klipp ut bilde av en kjerring med "Pen Tool"
    3. Sleng på "Colorama" filter fra "Effect", kanskje en liten "Levels" også
    4. Kødd med filtrene til de ser ok ut
    4. Klask på en bakgrunn og litt tekst
    5. Render med å velge "Save frame as"
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:26 No.2689753
    >>2689683
    The difference being that Bin laden was fighting for a real cause, while Breivik wasn't. Both are crazy, but one has a lot more legitimacy.

    Bush, Blair and Bin Laden were all the same in my eyes.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:26 No.2689757
    >>2689716
    Muslims are mostly pissed over Israel/Palestine. That's why they keep acting up all the time, but it's usually not discussed very much in U.S. media...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:27 No.2689771
    >>2689625
    >google translate

    my eyes!
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:28 No.2689783
    >>2689753
    Bin Laden is fighting to install Salafi Wahhabism in the Arab world, which means he's a religious nutter.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:29 No.2689796
    >>2689753
    Bush and Blair are mere puppets while Bin Laden was either acting on his own or a scapegoat. Breivik's cause is as real as Bin Ladens or that of native Americans. If your home gets invaded you retaliate, this is human.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:30 No.2689821
    >>2689783
    Bush thought God told him to invade Iraq. He repeatedly claimed that God was on his side and on the side of his troops during both wars in the middle east.

    I'm not sure he was any better.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:32 No.2689848
    >>2689796
    >invaded
    i believe the word is immagrated, in his and your eyes it may be invasion.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:34 No.2689871
    >>2689848
    In his eyes it is an invasion and he is a crusader. In my eyes it is simply getting out of hand. You don't see millions of germans living in Iraq, do you?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:35 No.2689883
    >>2689744
    >1. 3. 2. 3. 4. 4. 5.

    Hva i helvete er galt med meg
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:35 No.2689891
    >>2689848

    >immagrated
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:36 No.2689903
    >>2689891
    >probably with a cheese grater
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:37 No.2689907
    >>2689871
    Germans dont need the immagration, the arabs wanted to escape the atrocity and conflict involving the middle east, besides, should you give a fuck if they were immagrating? or are you paraniod of the high white race falling to a bunch of muslims?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:39 No.2689934
    Even as a true lefttard I can say that Breivik is one of the most rational conservatives I have ever seen. His rational actions just happen to be based on irrational and morally irrelevant values (nationalism, religion). I just wish that more conservatives realized the implications in their moral choices and had the backbone to act on them like this wonderful man.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:39 No.2689943
    >>2689907
    No, I fear that soon half of Germany, Sweden ect will consist of islamistic welfare abusers. They don't want to adapt western values and don't respect our laws and customs. There are exceptions but those are rare.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:40 No.2689951
    >>2689651
    >The attacks on 9/11 were a direct result of US foreign policy. This is a fact, you can't deny it.

    Uh, not sure if libtard who is just pretty stupid or libtard who just pretends to be pretty stupid/trolling.

    To state again what I said: Causality is flexible enough that you can pin the blame for most things on most things.

    You could for example say:

    - The US was forced to undertake their Middle East policy by the actions of others (like MEers) and hence couldn't be blamed for something they were obliged to do

    - The groups that the US harmed groups bin Laden didn't have to identify with (I mean, sure, I can choose to identify with Christians getting killed in Indonesia and blow up muslims, or I can choose not to).

    - Even if bin Laden identified with them, he didn't need to take any action as a consequence. I mean, I know immigrants left in by left-wingers rape, but I don't take revenge for that personally.

    - Even if bin Laden felt compelled to take action, he should only be able to take action against the direct people responsible.

    So there's plenty of ways you could easily say that US policy didn't "cause" bin Laden to attack. Many similar reasons have been used about Breivik to say why Arbeiderpartiet didn't "cause" him to attack. It's all optional, you can point out the causality if you want to.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:42 No.2689972
    >>2689943
    >No, I fear that soon half of Germany, Sweden ect will consist of islamistic welfare abusers.
    You dont need to fear that, because it wont happen in a hundred years.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:43 No.2689985
    >>2689943

    Aw fuck you, it's not even 10% you paranoid piece of shit.

    If anything the real problem is neo-nazi eastern germans that are welfare leeches.

    They outnumber the turks by millions.
    >> Real man. Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:44 No.2689993
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    Even as a total lefttard I can say that Breivik is one of the most rational conservatives I have ever seen. His rational actions just happen to be based on irrational and morally irrelevant values (nationalism, religion). I just wish that more conservatives realized the implications in their moral choices and had the backbone to act on them like this wonderful man.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:45 No.2690009
    >>2689993
    >nationalism
    >irrelevant

    Yeah, you really deserve the title "leftard"
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:45 No.2690012
    >>2689943
    I think your blowing this out of proportion, Muslims will not take over half of europe because of immigration, the population and fertility statistics show that europeans are still superior in the population number, and will remain superior .
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:45 No.2690028
    >>2689951
    I am sorry but this is not true and if you truly believe what you said than you aren't very bright.
    >>2689972
    Learn2taqiya
    It might happen in 30-60 years. Germans have 0.75 kids per couple while mudslimes have about 2-4. About 4 Million mudslimes in Germany right now, you do the math it is simply a matter of time.
    >>2689985
    They are as bad as turks but afaik other countries have more than 10%.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:47 No.2690056
    >>2689985

    German families have on average 1-2 kids. Non-European foreigners have a lot more than that.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:49 No.2690071
    >>2690028
    >wondering if libtard troll
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:49 No.2690072
    >>2690028

    Not even reaching 1 kid on average? Damn, that sucks.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:50 No.2690094
    >>2690056
    Your only counting one country, count the rest of europe and the statistics are alot different.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:50 No.2690095
    >>2690028
    >Germans have 0.75 kids per couple while mudslimes have about 2-4.
    The mean birth rate / couple was 1.4 in 2010, so 0.75 for ethnic Germans is almost certainly a lie.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:53 No.2690126
    >>2690094

    >You're only counting the foreigners in one country, count the foreigners in the rest of europe and the statistics are alot different.

    Fixed.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:53 No.2690137
    >>2690072
    numbers might be a bit off since I got em some years ago but the trend should still be correct. Check wiki if you are curious but religious nuts always had more kids and always will have more. Nigerians have about 7-12 kids or something like that and sure some of those don't survive but in Europe they still try to have a lot of offspring and here they can survive.
    >>2690095
    As I said numbers might be a bit off as I got em some years ago but even 1.4 is not 2.0 so not enough. Is 1.4 pure ethnic Germans or all "Germans"? If it's 1.4 including turks, niggers, russians, ect your 1.4 might be a bit lower.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:54 No.2690142
    >>2690056
    >>2690028
    This is based on the assumption that immigrants wont follow the universal pattern of having less children with time when social welfare is better. Having many children is an insurance for old age in poor countries...

    But even with this fallacious assumption, you still wont get even close to 50% in 30-60 years...
    >> DJ !h8hr/9duKU 04/18/12(Wed)18:55 No.2690150
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    >>2690012
    Correct, Europe is fading away due to low native fertility and extremely high immigration, however it will more than likely be a very gradual process. The first nations that are predicted by demographic models to become majority non-white will not do so until after 2050. It's also largely localized. Not all of Europe is the same, each country has it's own specific set of problems.

    A sharia-muslim takeover is like a marxist takeover, it would require a series of perfect storm ingredients that are unlikely to happen. Based on actual demographic predictions, it's more likely that sharia and the like will simply expand in geographic size, consuming more and more neighborhoods as the African colonies grow (especially where the largest ones are, like Paris, Berlin, Marseiie, Malmo, London), but not take over the political core.

    Europe is more likely headed towards a graceful withering away, not a violent civil conflict like some alarmists think.

    There's a lot of extremism on this subject from both the extreme left and extreme right in this thread.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:55 No.2690151
    >>2690126
    You implied as if germany was the only country that arabs immigrate.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:57 No.2690177
    >>2690137
    >As I said numbers might be a bit off as I got em some years ago but even 1.4 is not 2.0 so not enough. Is 1.4 pure ethnic Germans or all "Germans"? If it's 1.4 including turks, niggers, russians, ect your 1.4 might be a bit lower.
    The numbers I cited for 2010 were the lowest ever up to that point, so the problem is not that your numbers were low, but that you with high likelyhood were lied to.

    1.4 was for all couples, ethic germans and others. Note that 2010 was right after the worst recession since the 1930s, which will depress birth rates.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:57 No.2690178
    >>2690150
    So do you think what Breivik done will help any of this?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:57 No.2690179
    >>2690142
    If immigrants don't get awesome welfare or they don't want to adapt this doesn't matter. Let's calculate it: 4 million turks who have 4 kids and 76 Million germans who have 0.75 kids and we wait 50 years. Cba to calc this but I bet some math-fags are in here.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)18:59 No.2690208
    >>2690151
    What's of interest would be net muslim immigrants within Schengen, since people are free to move within Schengen as they please. I would guess maybe 1-3% of the population within Schengen are muslims.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:01 No.2690227
    >>2690150
    >Correct, Europe is fading away due to low native fertility and extremely high immigration
    Untrue.
    >> DJ !h8hr/9duKU 04/18/12(Wed)19:01 No.2690229
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    >>2690142
    You're correct about the second part, but the first is wrong.

    Demographic models DO take everything into account. Typically we analyze historical trends, current trends, and then produce multiple trends. Often the ones delivered to the papers are averages (such as the prediction of the UK being non-white by 2066). There are conservative trends, and liberal trends.

    There is a lot more inflexibility in these models though than you might think, there's a fairly narrow range of outcomes to rebounds and sinks without some sort of crazy state intervention.

    It should be noted however, that often demographers underestimate, rather than overestimate, the amount of change. Brazil just peaked its population growth ahead of what was predicted, as have some North African nations (that appear to be ahead of schedule). So if anything the science of demographic prediction tends to be too restrained and conservative.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:03 No.2690252
    >>2689951
    >Uh, not sure if libtard who is just pretty stupid or libtard who just pretends to be pretty stupid/trolling.
    I'm someone who makes his own decisions independent of hat the mainstream right or left are getting behind.
    >So there's plenty of ways you could easily say that US policy didn't "cause" bin Laden to attack.
    No you can't, Bin Laden said that it was US imperialism that made him launch the attacks. It is accepted by everyone that what the US does in the middle east makes the populations of these countries angry.

    Everything you listed is either a completely different issue or just plain stupid, like your comparison of Breivik to Bin Laden.
    Breivik thinks that minorities are taking over Norway, while Bin Laden saw the real atrocities caused by the Western Powers and Russia. In other words Breivik saw too many black people and got angry while Bin Laden saw his people getting murder in droves.

    There is a fundamental difference here, not that I support or condone either of them. But in the same regard I'm not stupid enough to think that 9//11 was an unprovoked attack or that invading Iraq was justified.
    >> DJ !h8hr/9duKU 04/18/12(Wed)19:05 No.2690275
    >>2690179
    Germany has cripplingly low fertility, but it's not THAT low. Don't use faulty statistics. Depending on which statistic you wanna use, Germany is either the lowest TFR in the world or one of the lowest. Kinda tricky though because as with a lot of other European nations the government likes to play hide and seek with the specifics of their data though, makes it hard.

    The German government is deeply interested in the subject however because the future is looking really bad for that country.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:07 No.2690306
    >>2690142
    By the time we reach 50% we are already fucked hard, 20% is not even acceptable in my opinion, immigration should be in the best interest of the country, not the immigrant.

    Immigration should be like the Australian system, 'if we don't need you gtfo'.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:07 No.2690308
    >>2690275
    According to wiki minus 190k people were "born" 2009. 2007 was the first year after 1997 which had an increase in births. Thanks to our new trouble within the EU I predict a new backward trend and can't present any proof, it's just a hunch.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:08 No.2690316
    >>2690179
    In 60 years:

    24 million new turks and 50 million new germans, with the faulty assumption that everyone living now is part of a 'couple' who'll have children. Add that to present day population and subtract the people who die off and we see we're not even close to turks being 50%.

    That's with the faulty assumption that turks have 4 kids and germans .75 kids. And with the faulty assumption that turk immigrant birth rates wont adjust to german society with time.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:08 No.2690317
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    >>2690179

    Doing a very simple test, by diving the total population of both ethnicities into 2 (as in couples who will have kids), then multiplying that by 4 or 0.75 (Turkish and German kids, respectively), then diving that by 2 again (as in couples again) and multiplying by 4 or 0.75 again, we have:

    Germans (0.75 kids per couple): 10,687,500 in about 50 years.
    Turks (4 kids per couple): 32,000,000 in about 50 years.

    Germans (1.4 kids per couple): 37,240,000 in about 50 years

    These results are without counting immigration, deportations, people who don't have kids, political changes, etc.
    >> Election France Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:08 No.2690323
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    Marine Le Pen does like Breivik

    Election in france starts on sunday.

    What u think?
    >> DJ !h8hr/9duKU 04/18/12(Wed)19:12 No.2690365
    >>2690316
    >And with the faulty assumption that turk immigrant birth rates wont adjust to german society with time.

    Demographic models DO take this into account, including using it as a changeable variable.

    He's however just using random numbers to demonstrate the basic math of it
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:13 No.2690384
    >>2690365
    >Demographic models DO take this into account, including using it as a changeable variable.
    Which demographic model would you be referring to?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:13 No.2690386
    >>2690252
    >Bin Laden said that it was US imperialism that made him launch the attacks.
    But Breivik also said that the Labour Party made him launch the attacks.

    > It is accepted by everyone that what the US does in the middle east makes the populations of these countries angry.
    It's accepted by everyone that Norway's immigration policy makes the people who don't like immigration angry.

    >Breivik thinks that minorities are taking over Norway, while Bin Laden saw the real atrocities caused by the Western Powers and Russia.
    Norway's a small country, We're talking hundreds of rapes and murders here. Not a real atrocity? On a per capita basis it's pretty big.

    >In other words Breivik saw too many black people and got angry while Bin Laden saw his people getting murder in droves.
    "His People"? As mentioned, who gives Bin Laden the authority to designate who "His People" is? Would you accept it if I took revenge on Muslims in Europe because Muslims in Indonesia attacked "MUH CRISTIANS"?

    >There is a fundamental difference here, not that I support or condone either of them.

    I'll just ignore you. I mean, your opinion doesn't mean anything. You rage like a faggot and bang the table and say "These things cannot be compared!!!!" but that's just your own view. It matters as much as a piece of dog crap on the street being washed away by the rain.

    To repeat myself: You can easily construe most things as caused by most things, or not. You can hence easily construe how Bin Laden's attack was "caused" by the US, and how Breivik's attack was "caused" by the Labour party. I have demonstrated a way above.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:15 No.2690404
    >>2690316
    Turks live in Germany for over 60 years already afaik. Of course 4 and 0.75 are way off but there are 13 million non-germans here atm.
    >>2690365
    this, thanks!
    We can say Germans 1.4 and turks 2.5 and wait 2000 years and there won't be a single ethnic anyone left I guess. We haven't even been taking interracial mixing into account or the fact that we drifted from religion to nationality and that some people convert to and from one religion to others.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:15 No.2690406
    >the trial is expected to last 10 weeks

    fuck me
    >> DJ !h8hr/9duKU 04/18/12(Wed)19:16 No.2690416
    >>2690384
    Almost all of them these days. There are dozens of components that go into creating a prediction algorithm, to make an accurate one you have to put all the plausible variables that could affect it.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:18 No.2690447
    >>2690386
    I read your opinions and your far more stupid, than the raging asshole you called out.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:22 No.2690497
    >>2690323
    Let's hope she wins.
    But hasn't the tide changed politically to the left since people are tired of Sarkozy or does le pen actually have a shot ?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:24 No.2690519
    Refer to here for a debunking of Eurabia demographic / birth rate doom B-S

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/demographics.asp

    >The 52 million figure is a reasonable estimate for the number of Muslims in Europe [out of ~730 million, or 7%]. However, as the last part (about the Muslim populations doubling in the next two decades), Walter Radermacher said: "That is not true. The German governmentt does not believe that the Muslim population will double in even the next 40 or 50 years. There are no reliable sources that give a proof for that assumption".
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:24 No.2690522
    >>2690497
    The election is mostly about the economy and whatnot.

    Sarkozy handled that recent sandnigger terrorist case with mixed reaction, instead of focusing on combating immigration, he decided to go after the internet.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:28 No.2690568
    >>2690519
    but this is full of BS.
    >no sources except for census stuff
    >only opinions of govt officials stated
    >old and unreliable
    >Muslims, 8.1
    >But no country has such a high fertility rate
    bitch please some countries used to have 13 according to a history book I read.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:33 No.2690618
    >>2690568
    >no sources except for census stuff
    Census sources are the best there is.
    >only opinions of govt officials stated
    They do the best and most reliable projections
    >old
    2009
    >unreliable
    LOLOpinions, but nope more reliable than stormfront.com or whathaveyou.
    >has == used to have HURR DURR
    >> Caligula(Serbian Empire) !O.N1d/WL9c 04/18/12(Wed)19:33 No.2690627
    >>2690568
    One of the places that possessed a birth rate of that nature was Quebec during the days of Catholic French v. Anglican English.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:36 No.2690649
    >>2690618
    yeah because govt guys can be trusted.
    >bahahahaha
    I have wikipedia and it supports what I think. Never claimed that shit will go down in 10 years but it will happen unless something changes. Idgaf about race so please stop your anti-nazi propaganda, it is out of place.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:37 No.2690665
    >>2690568
    >>2690627
    And it might be a good thing to keep in mind that way back when fertility rates were even higher, not many kids lived to have own kids... It's not exactly like China or Indias population grows by x13 every 25 years or we'd have 100 billion people on earth in 50 years.

    Such assumptions necessary for the Eurabia scenario not to be laughable are trivially absurd just by thinking about them. But if you hate brown people, why let that stop you?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:40 No.2690689
    >>2690386
    What you are doing is understating the crimes done to the people in Palestine and across the Muslim world so that you can make the comparison to something completely different. You can not compare a few people of a certain race immigrating into Noway to these horrific crimes perpetrated by the US and other western powers.

    >Norway's a small country, We're talking hundreds of rapes and murders here.

    The people responsible are dealt with by the courts in Norway. Who deals with the Us when they kill your family?

    >"His People"? As mentioned, who gives Bin Laden the authority to designate who "His People" is?
    His people would be his follows and his religious allies. There is no excuse to attack Muslims in Indonesia for any reason. Again, you're missing the point entirely.
    Stop trying to compare situations that are completely different.
    >You rage like a faggot and bang the table and say "These things cannot be compared!!!!" but that's just your own view.
    Oh, of course, I'm the one raging.

    >You can easily construe most things as caused by most things, or not.

    When did I ever claim anything to the contrary? All I ever said was that 9/11 was clearly a reaction the American imperialism and thus totally avoidable.
    You, understandably seeing as this is a Breivik thread, started taking about how anything could be linked to anything and cited Breivik's case. None of this ever disproved that the US had 9/11 coming for their crimes in the middle east.

    Lax immigration is not morally or legally wrong, it doesn't warrant the needless slaughter of civilians. The attack on the pentagon was justified since the pentagon was causing the deaths of innocent people. The twin towers was not justifiable, however.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:40 No.2690697
    >>2690665
    If by Eurabia you mean some sort of Islamo-fascist government takeover then no

    But if you mean that some countries and most important metro areas will steadily become less and less European (and eventually majority non-European) then he's right.

    It would be a shame to walk down the streets of Paris or London in 100 years and see very few Europeans left, but I guess if you're anti-European you root for that
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:41 No.2690701
    >>2690665
    Population in some african countries like Niger (not Nigeria) increased 5 fold in 50 years. Fert rate is about 6.5 and it's no exception.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:42 No.2690721
    About birthrates I think what is being forgotten is death rates, what the heck is first world countries going to look like when the elderly outnumber the young.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:42 No.2690724
    >>2690649
    >yeah because govt guys can be trusted.
    >LOL IM A DARK AND EDGY HIPSTER THE TROOF IS OUT THERE

    Thing is, government and academia are the only ones with the resources to do good research on this. Your guys are just autodidacts and diletants cherrypicking the govt studies and doing faulty statistics. It's not like Framskrettspartiet are doing solid research of their own on European demographic trends and getting it published in academic journals..
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:42 No.2690727
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    >>2690701
    Correct

    Nations in blue have shrinking/aging populations. Red/yellow have growing
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:42 No.2690731
    >>2690665

    >Implying Muslim extremists don't talk about how Islam will reign over Europe in a few decades.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:43 No.2690743
    >>2690721
    This is already taking them into account you dimwit.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:45 No.2690769
    >>2690724
    There is no censorship, public brainwashing and major lies? Media is full of it and most people base their voting on emotion and not on logic.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:46 No.2690783
    >>2690743
    You don't think they'll be huge societal problems when a third of the population is over 65?

    The governments will probably want some cheap labour to look after them.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:48 No.2690807
    >>2690783
    Turkey has 6.6% fellas over 65 and might become an EU country soon. Problem solved? The real problem is that cheap labour isn't what I would call the immigrants I am talking about. Most of them don't even want to work and some simply refuse it.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:48 No.2690814
    yes they are tired of him. The problem in europe is that many people from other countrys can vote. And they are for the socialists.

    I am no racist. I did not like what Breivik has done. But i think he is right when he say that we will become a problem here in europe.
    >> DJ !h8hr/9duKU 04/18/12(Wed)19:49 No.2690817
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    >>2690721
    It's already happening, and only gonna get worse. Although a lot more of the world will be affected than you might think.

    Here's one of my favorite articles to get acquainted with the subject:
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/10/11/think_again_global_aging?page=full

    >>2690724
    As someone who is training to be a government analyst and deals with this stuff, this is true. Although a lot of it is also outsourced to think-tanks

    The rule of thumb I can give you guys is, if many demographers are contracted to start studying your nation intently (like Germany, Japan, Russia, Netherlands etc.), it's a good sign something is amiss. If they're ignoring it, then there's not much cause for concern (at least for now)
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:51 No.2690850
    >>2690701
    Yeah, sure. But Niger is the country with the highest fertility rate in the world.

    In fact it's about 3 times higher than in Marocco and Algeria - two countries that account for a lot of muslim immigrants to europe. It's FOUR times higher than the turkish fertility rate (2.11).

    And yet, between 1960 and 2003 (43 years), Niger's population increased from 3 million to 12 million or net +9 million.

    Translate that to German Turks and we still only get 5 million -> 20 million or (net +15 million).

    That assumption is completely ridiculous, since it assumes that Turks would have four times more kids in Germany than they do at home in Turkey. And yet we're not even close to Eurarabia. Eurarabia is pure bullshit.
    >> DJ !h8hr/9duKU 04/18/12(Wed)19:52 No.2690855
    >>2690743
    I know it's starting to tick me off

    >HMMM, do these eminent academic researchers who are the most knowledgeable people in their field and use the most complex algorithms taking this thing into account???
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:53 No.2690870
    France has a very big problem in it´s suburban citys...
    >> DJ !h8hr/9duKU 04/18/12(Wed)19:55 No.2690896
    >>2690850
    It's not pure bullshit, it's just an exaggeration or simplification of real trends and problems.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:58 No.2690944
    >>2690896
    >It's not pure bullshit, it's just an exaggeration
    Eurarabia, the notion that muslims are even close to becoming a majority in Europe in the foreseeable future is pure bullshit. The suggestions that muslims would be anything but a minority in Germany in the next 50 years is pure bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:00 No.2690967
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    >>2690944
    next 50 years no
    next 2000 years we are fucked
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:01 No.2690979
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    >>2690689
    >The people responsible [for rapes and murders] are dealt with by the courts in Norway

    This is what liberals actually believe. In real life they're sent on a few weeks trip at a four star hotel and released so that they can commit crimes again.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:01 No.2690984
    >>2690967
    Ah you'll be dead anyway, concerned kitten.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:02 No.2690992
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    >>2690984
    true but some kittens care about their offspring
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:02 No.2690996
    >>2690979
    I can haz urban myth?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:03 No.2691008
    >>2690996
    google norwegian prisons
    I have been to dozens of 4 star hotels and those prisons look as good as most of em.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:04 No.2691020
    >>2690992
    Your offspring will get to fuck sexy german-turkish half breeds.
    >> DJ !h8hr/9duKU 04/18/12(Wed)20:04 No.2691024
    >>2690944
    Real demographic research is a lot like climate change science. With global warming most scientists have agreed on their predictions that the earth will heat some degrees by centuries end, and the problems and changes it brings.

    So if someone says the earth will get 15 degrees hotter suddenly in the next few decades, what they're doing is exaggerating a real scientific discipline. I agree though it distracts from real research into Europe's demographic problems even if it's nice they're being patriotic and whatnot.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:06 No.2691044
    >>2691020
    Gross
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:06 No.2691055
    >>2691020
    Idgaf about race but if my son wants to fuck a hairy shemale then I will be disappoint. I would rather have a gay son.
    My fear is sharia and not turks or niggers.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:07 No.2691069
    >>2691055
    All 3 are a threat to germany though, especially Turks
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:07 No.2691070
    >>2690944
    Good, now let's keep it that way forever by refusing anyone we don't need.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:08 No.2691079
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    >>2691008
    You thought you were at a four star Hotel, but apparently you were at E-tap (or Motel 6)
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:10 No.2691101
    >>2691079
    This looks like 4 stars in London or Berlin. Have seen better 3 star ones though.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:11 No.2691129
    >>2691055
    Turks wont be a majority in 200 years. And Turks arent exactly religious fundamentalists even in there own country. And in 200 years they wont be more Turks than the Swedish King is a frenchman.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:13 No.2691166
    >>2691101
    Lol, you got ripped off bro. I stay better in the two star Ibis in Berlin than that cell.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:13 No.2691170
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    How to fix multiculturalism and stop all this shit so we can get on with life and focus on other things:

    1. Ban immigration
    2. Moratorium and encouragement of existing foreign anchor babies to return home
    3. Allow for broad temporary worker program to allow some foreigners to come and work or study, but keep it controlled to keep both parties safe and happy.
    4. Make some broad anti-theocracy measure in the government too keep any religious law, christian or muslim from taking over
    5. Let non-European people keep elements of their culture as long as it doesn't break the law, in return they can only stay for a maximum period of time

    This should please everyone and let this whole shitstorm settle
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:14 No.2691181
    >>2691129
    You don't know that and neither do I, we can only make assumptions and I say that in 2k years they will be a majority. Young turks in Germany are in fact more fundamentalistic in comparison to old turks and to turks in their home country.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:15 No.2691198
    >>2691101
    Try this one next time you're in Berlin, and maybe you'll save a buck

    http://www.ibishotel.com/gb/hotel-3108-ibis-berlin-city-ost/room.shtml
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:15 No.2691201
    >>2691129
    Foreign people will probably be a majority in urban German areas by centuries end

    And no, Turks will not shapeshift into Germans
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:17 No.2691223
    >>2691198
    If it costs 69 bucks like the ones I know than I don't think that I got ripped off at all.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:17 No.2691225
    >>2691181
    A reasonable assumption is that Turks with time will adjust to macro demographic trends in Germany and wont have more or less kids than ethical Germans do. Thus they will stay forever in the minority.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:18 No.2691228
    >>2691181
    German population is shrinking and aging quickly anyways, so it wont matter what replaces them, just that it won't be very german. Probably a mix of blacks/turks/arabs and slavs
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:19 No.2691247
    >>2691225
    Except the ethnic german population is shrinking and aging, so even if the Turk numbers stay constant the % will rise anyways

    And that doesnt take into account how many more will continue to flood in through the open borders
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:20 No.2691264
    >>2691228
    This is a totally different problem imo and having less welfare queens would maybe allow honest hard-working people to have more offspring. I would rather see a pure western country with 11 million citizens than a country with 150 million welfare queens.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:20 No.2691274
    >>2691223
    Perhaps. I mostly find Ibis convenient if you drive and hasnt made prior arrangement.

    Anyhow, pic related is probably the most nice looking cell in Norway and you're still faced with the fact that your confined to it, for years.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:21 No.2691286
    >>2691274
    some guys don't leave their basement voluntarily, just sayin
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:21 No.2691287
    >>2691264
    I know, but population shirnkage and aging has serious problems, such as what happens when older (non-working) people outnumber workers

    The only way a country could shrink its population these days without problem is if the elderly or retirees died off or didn't get government pensions
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:24 No.2691327
    Stormfag here. Dediced to run again some math to see the number of ethnic Germans (around 70,000,000) and Turks (4,000,000) there will be in 1 and 2 generations according to the birth rates (1.4 for Germans and 2.2 for Turks).

    Germans (1st generation) = 49,000,000
    Turks (1st generation) = 4,400,000

    Germans (2nd generation) = 34,300,000
    Turks (2nd generation) = 4,840,000
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:24 No.2691340
    >>2691287
    This would be a good thing but thanks to morality whole countries go bankrupt instead.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:25 No.2691359
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    >>2691327
    And that's just Turks. Germany now has colonies of Africans and Arabs and others spreading in the major cities
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:26 No.2691366
    >>2691247
    No, a reasonable assumption is that the offspring of immigrant Turks with time adjust to the macro demographic trends and have as many or few children as ethnic Germans. That means that the proportion between ethic Germans and Turks is unchanged. Whether the overall population is increasing or decreasing...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:27 No.2691386
    >>2691286
    Good point! But you have to leave your basement if you want to kill and rape, just sayin
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:27 No.2691387
    >>2691225
    >reasonable assumption

    Based on what ?
    In practice some will assimilate well while others won't, at all.
    >>2691228
    I'd rather see the country and it's population die off slowly rather than being ruled over by sandniggers.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:32 No.2691449
    >>2691327
    Your 'math' has Germanys net population shrinking from 74 million -> 39 million in two generations? It's probably better you go look up some projections made by people who actually know their shit, went to school and stuff...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:33 No.2691476
    >>2691449

    Assuming that each couple has around 1 child, yes.

    It's a simple and generalized study anyways.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:33 No.2691478
    >>2691449
    birth rate 2.0=total equilibrium.
    0=instant death
    1.4= slow death
    correct me if I am wrong
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:34 No.2691487
    >>2691387
    >Based on what ?
    Based on the fact that this is a universal trend correlating to increased social safety. Previously, you needed many kids so at least one would be alive and have money to take care of you when you were old. That's no longer necessary.

    Thus we find across the world and across different ethnicities and cultures falling fertility rates, coinciding with the level of economic and social progress in society.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:38 No.2691541
    >>2691478
    >>2691476
    Couples have their 1.5 kids when they're 25-30, but then they live another 55-60 years. During these additional 55-60 years another 2-2,5 generations also have their 1.5 kids.

    Meaning, Germans living today, and Turks living today have to be added, and then subtract the mortality rate.

    It probably all ends up being some kind of differential or integral function. Takeaway: don't try it if you dont know how it works.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:40 No.2691561
    >>2691541
    1.4 already includes mortality rate smartypants
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:42 No.2691587
    >>2691487
    Do you see it happen in non feminist countries?
    It's a consequence of women having job and only waking up in their late 20's. Which culturally never happen in islamic families leeching the european states.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:43 No.2691594
    >>2691561
    It doesnt work like that, my friend. She doesnt have 1.4 kids and die within 25 years. She lives 25 years, have 1.5 kids, die 50 years later. Those 1.5 kids live 25 years, have 1.5 kids and die 50 years later.

    It's gonna end up some sort of diff/int equation.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:44 No.2691606
    So is it true that Breivik said he has a mentor named Richard and there are 10-20 Knight templars in secret cells around norway or europe.
    Or is the media bs'ing?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:44 No.2691614
    >>2691587
    As I said, it's a global trend - across cultures and ethnicities.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:45 No.2691636
    >>2691606
    There are probably thousands of fans who would like to do the same thing but are cowards. I am waiting for a snowball effect
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:47 No.2691664
    >>2691636
    Yeh we know they are fans. I'm a fan but are there actual connections. First time today i've heard of his mentor 'Richard'
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:49 No.2691697
    >>2691664
    >Richard
    How would we know anyway? It's not like one of them is going to come here to confirm it.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:50 No.2691714
    >>2691587
    >culturally never happen in islamic families leeching the european states
    What percentage of ethnic turkish, german born girls choose a life as a homemaker? I doubt its a majority, and likely to decrease with time.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:51 No.2691720
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    No blacks please. Get out of West. Nigger scum. Black pig go home.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:52 No.2691749
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    >>2691720
    WHITU PIGGU GO HOME
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:53 No.2691754
    >>2691697
    Well does anyone know if he mentioned him in his manifesto or interviews. How does the media know?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:55 No.2691799
    >>2691606
    I personally thought that he was referring to is the EDL before it was the EDL.

    But some other people have said that it might just be a group consisting of members of the EDL. A name that has come up for "Richard" is a man called Paul Ray.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/9212090/Anders-Behring-Breivik-trial-the-
    real-Lionheart.html
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:58 No.2691842
    >>2691799
    Knowing a lot about the EDL and counter jihad I can say that people (ie not leftists) should ignore the connections between breivik and EDL etc. He mentions them but he isn't linked.
    The left likes to tie all nationalist movements together when they usually can't stand each other.
    So you have the leftist argument Breivik = EDL=BNP=Nazis.
    Which is pure shit.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:01 No.2691892
    >>2691714
    I meant subsaharian and arab.They are coming to germany too now.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:04 No.2691934
    >>2691842
    The EDL is a mixed bag. I wouldn't be surprised if they had some members with connections to Breivik.

    I know Tony Robinson wouldn't support this, but some of the more hardcore racists would.

    The EDL has no real structure, they're just a firm filled with racists.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:10 No.2692003
    >>2691892
    But we were talking specifically about the likely demographic impact of German Turks....

    Regarding other ethnicities, cultural patterns, religion etc will of course have an impact on their fertility patterns, especially at first. But the macro picture is the same, they will see falling fertility rates.

    Look at U.S. ethnically Irish Catholics. Historically high fertility rates. The catholic church condemns contraception and abortion. Yet U.S. Irish catholics today have low fertility rates.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:12 No.2692033
    >>2692003
    >they will see falling fertility rates.
    They didn't in 50 year in france. Their religion is clear: "breed to conquer, you're too pussy to win a fight"
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:15 No.2692054
    >>2692033
    >They didn't in 50 year in france.
    Cite please?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:20 No.2692126
    >>2692054
    1 in 5 french is from afrika now. In only 50 year.
    The average muslims family have 6 kids. The few odd non muslim african compensate a little but you get the idea.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:21 No.2692149
    >>2692126
    >They didn't in 50 year in france.
    [citation needed]
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:27 No.2692250
    >>2692126
    >The average muslims family have 6 kids.
    This is a falsehood, see >>2690519

    >The French Government doesn't collect statistics by religion, so it is impossible to say what the precise fertility rates among different religious groups in France are. But […] in Algeria and Morocco, the two nations which send the largest numbers of Muslim immigrants to France, the fertility rate is 2.38
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:46 No.2692535
    >>2692250

    Immigrant families have more children in the countries they've invaded thanks to the welfare state paying for them to breed.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:47 No.2692558
    >>2692535
    >LOL HURR DURR I MAKE UP MY OWN REALITY AND FACTS
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:51 No.2692621
    >>2692558

    I live in a 15% white area of a big Canadian city - excuse me - an area of 15% "non-visible minority". I know this to be the trend.

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2005/back1105.html

    >Immigrant fertility differs by education level much more than that of natives. For example, immigrants without a high school degree have 3.3 children on average, 74 percent higher than the 1.9 children for college graduate immigrants. In contrast, native high school dropouts have 2.3 children on average, only 27 percent higher than the 1.8 fertility for native college graduates.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:52 No.2692628
    typical stormfag supporting breivik

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU22Yk2A6x0
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)22:01 No.2692786
    At least he succeeded leading Knights Templar in WoW.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)22:03 No.2692813
    >>2692621
    >Center for Immigration Studies
    http://www.splcenter.org/publications/the-nativist-lobby-three-faces-of-intolerance/cis-the-independ
    ent-think-tank

    Even assuming their research to be sound for the sake of argument, we find that two of the the countries contributing immigrants to the U.S. included in their study is Canada and the U.K. and both Canadians and Brits see (in their study) greatly increased birth rathes in comparison to their home country.

    In other words, you'd have us believe that Brits emigrating to the United States have 2.84 fertility rate when CIS' calculations would expect it to be 1.66.

    But the United Kingdom has a much more generous safety net than the United States. Yeah.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)22:06 No.2692834
    I wondered where that meme came from
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)22:35 No.2693205
    >>2691594

    nah lol you are the retarded one
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)22:36 No.2693217
    LOL he's pleading "self defense"... as if all those kids were wearing hoodies w/ iced tea & skittles in their pockets.

    Does Norway have a "stand your ground" law?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)22:39 No.2693239
    >>2693205
    No, your a hooker
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:00 No.2693555
    Modern polycultures have always lead to incongruous societies.
    Oh by the way, trade between states can exists without immigration.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:25 No.2693901
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    We have to drag this trial out. We need Breivik not only be found to be criminally insane, but completely stupid and moronic. They can't just put Breivik on trial, but his whole fucked up ideaology has to go on trial and it WILL lose.

    They need to put him on the stand, make him say the craziest shit they can get out him. Then get an evolutionary biologist, a demographic statistician etc. up on the stand, have them refute all his claims with hard evidence, Then they need to put Breivik back up there and ask if he still supports his view in the face of the truth. And it has to all be out publicly.
    Breivik, Stormfags and their supporters see this as an opportunity to further their cause of bullshit and hate. We need to turn this around and completely fucking flatten them. Make anyone out who holds these views to be a complete idiot with nothing to support them.

    That's why I'm against the partial censorship of the case by the government. We need everything to see how factually wrong racists are about everything. Don't give them a fucking inch, they have to be publicly humiliated and destroyed.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:31 No.2693967
    >>2693901
    As a person who doesn't have his head up his arse, I can tell you with 100% certainty that Breivik would get up in the face of facts (whether they were true or not) and would refute them. When someone holds such deep convictions they aren't likely to drop them just because some new evidence comes along. He's way too far gone to approach such a situation rationally
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:32 No.2693979
    >>2693901
    >We need to turn this around and completely fucking flatten them. Make anyone out who holds these views to be a complete idiot with nothing to support them.
    mfw this is impossible because the facts are on their side
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:34 No.2694018
    >>2693901

    >get statisticians, post facts

    Are you fucking insane? Are you TRYING to help him make converts? The demographic data shows that Breivik is RIGHT, not wrong!

    No, the only thing to do is to completely silence him. Close the trial, close everything, everybody go home. That's the only way we can stop the truth of the situation from coming out. The stormfags can only be countered with ruthless, unrelenting censorship, because otherwise, people might realize their arguments have scientific and statistical merit.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:38 No.2694059
    >>2693901
    >Breivik, Stormfags and their supporters see this as an opportunity to further their cause of bullshit and hate.
    Outside stormfront.com and /pol/ they have a snowballs chance in hell to make any political hay off of this. Out in the real world, killing a bunch of middle class kids is a very, very counterproductive form of advertising
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:40 No.2694087
    >>2694018
    >Norway is 85% Christian
    >The next biggest 'religion' is atheism at 13%

    >Norway is 85% ethically Norwegian
    >The biggest sources of immigration are from Poland and Sweden

    It's liek the whitest fucking country on earth. Any idea that Paki immigrants are going to outcompete and outnumber Norwegians in any sort of timeframe is pure lunacy.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:47 No.2694179
    >>2694087

    The Swedes were always there in the background, they're practically indistinguishable from the natives. The Poles aren't there to stay - trust me, I'm Polish, I know what I'm talking about. If the economy of Norway takes a downturn, most of those Poles will pack up and go home. They're just here to earn 10x the salary they'd earn back home and exploit the naivete of the Norwegians.


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