hurr durr we r lejun

Bump for justice

YES ANON

THROW YOUR IPADS AT THE ZETAS WHILE THEY CUT YOUR HEADS OFF WITH CHAINSAWS

-I am Barret Brown and I will lead Anonymous and destroy the cartels.

>>265843
We're not talking about physical violence against drug gangs. That's ridiculous. What we need is a global social movement that says no to all forms of oppression. Many Anonymous members are quick to criticize governments but meanwhile are quiet about issues like this. We have to send to very clear message that wherever you are in the world, you are not alone. We stand with everyone who wants to exercise their fundamental right of free speech on the internet. We must stand behind the Mexican people and help free them from criminal oppression. We can do it. We are Anonymous.

Anon can't do crap to the Zeta cartel, what are you going to do, send viruses to there guns?

>>265755
agreed...

9r0n 4 great justuce

> An online critic of drug violence has been beheaded in Mexico.

And? Why should I give the slightest shit?

>>265921
they hacked into computers of gov't officials suspected of supporting los zetas, tipping them off about military operations, protecting their real estate, ghost companies, and domestic bank accounts, etc

In tommorows news:

A member of 4chan (a popular english imageboard) was found decapitated in his parents basement. unofficially, we have news that his own genitalia was cut off and stuffed in his neck after his head was cut off with a blunt fork.

Gosh, if I do drugs I support cartel murders?
>drugs are bad.

>>265921
No we will spread a message of justice and freedom to support people throughout the world. Many Mexicans are afraid to do anything about their situation. They feel trapped. They see incidents like this beheading and feel powerless to change anything. Through our actions we can empower them. The drug gangs can't survive against a united Mexican people supported by internet citizens all over the world in solidarity.

>>265976

You're retarded. No, you're WAAY beyond retarded. Mexicans DON'T support the cartels, and they ARE protesting about them. Know what the cartels say? They say fuck you, thats what they say. Only way this problem will end is when the Mexican government sends in the army, no amount of faggots updating their Twitter status to "righteously indignant" is going to do shit.

>>265969
Yes, trade in certain drugs does support horrific violence. That's why we also need to inform people about the evils of buying drugs from violent sources. If they must continue doing drugs, they can do them in ways that do not endanger the lives of innocent people. This is an important duty that no one else is fulfilling so it falls to us to spread the word. If we act together as one Anonymous we can achieve far greater things than we ever could apart.

>>266013
Of course Mexicans don't support the cartels. They would protest if they thought they could but they feel powerless. They feel like nobody else cares about their situation. We have to send a message that that is not true. We have many tools to achieve this. We have to make it clear that they are not alone.

>>266015

You are one unbelievably condescending faggot. You think Mexicans, of all fucking people, don't know the downside to the illegal drug trade? You think criminals or junkies give a shit? There is no propaganda war to be waged here, everyone agrees cartels = bad. What is needed is political will from Mexico City, not faggots in the West showing "solidarity" with victims of violence by posting on the net.

>>266045

But they ARE alone. Are you suggesting we should pressure the US govt to bomb Mexico? Are you calling on Amerifats to take up arms and go fight the cartels? Because Mexico might have a thing or two to say about that. The fact is, Mexico's govt is the ONLY agent with any cards to play in this affair, and for whatever reason *cough*corruption*cough* they choose not to.

>>266046
It's more than just posting. We have a powerful arsenal of tools we can use to effect change. Just look at how we succeeded with the Wikileaks and OWS operations. We can do the same for Mexico.

Change cannot come from Mexico City, or any other centralized government for that matter. It falls on we the people to effect change.

>>266080
>We have a powerful arsenal of tools we can use to effect change

Such as? Dropping dox? Ordering pizzas?

>It falls on we the people

No. It falls on THEY the people. This situation is virtually the textbook example of "not our concern".

>>266013
>Only way this problem will end is when the Mexican government sends in the army,
the problem is that local governments (mayors, governors, city and state police) are working for the cartels. they tip off the cartels about military operations.

>>266102
There is no "they." We have to drop is us and them mentality. That's what solidarity is all about. We are all in this together.

>such as?
see Lulzsec

I'm glad there are still people with the courage to expose these fucks, even at the cost of their life.

>>265976

>Assuming Mexicans in general have the cojones to actually stand up for once and fight these fuckers.

>Assuming they could have done this years ago if they had the guts, which they don't.

>>265782
This is about as legit a purpose for online activism as you can get, senior shill.

>>266120
>There is no "they." We have to drop is us and them mentality. That's what solidarity is all about. We are all in this together.

Yeah. Except no. If you really believed that, you'd have no problem with the cartels (afterall, they're just trying to get by in a tough Anglo-dominated world, where's your understanding and solidarity now, faggot?)

>see Lulzsec

So... dropping dox and pranks? You think THAT will bring the cartels to their knees?

>HURR DURR LEEJUN

>>266132

not who you're debating with, but surely you understand what would happen if mexican gowernment sent military to push the cartels too far.

>>266108

Agreed, that's a serious problem. What, exactly, do you suggest we can do about it? Don't you think it might be down to Mexican voters to elect less corrupt officials? Or do you advocate violating Mexico's sovereignty to install a puppet regime that will take a tougher stance against the cartels?

>>266157

Not that fag, but I'll take a guess: The cartels would be destroyed?

>>266179

>install puppet regime
it's called bringing democracy to poor oppressed people who are very thankfull when we do it

Nothing will happen unless you somehow manage to elect extremely militaristic interventionist anti-drug anti-organised-crime senators and they persuade the congress to authorize a military invasion of the entirety of South America.

Unlikely, but if shit hits the fan (and I hope it does) then you don't know what might happen.

>>266157
>>266190
Why are talking like the military isn't already active in fighting the cartels?

You all fell for Barret Brown's gayass book deal ploy

>>266190

how about your next door neighbour country being torn to pieces in a civil war that will very likely spill over the border seeing how you have many mexicans and mexican cartel members on your side of the border?

>>266102
LMFAO @ Ordering pizzas

>>266232

I said: push cartels too far.
There has to be moderation in everything

>>266132
>he doesn't understand that the 2nd amendment doesn't exist in Mexico

>>266179
simple: legalize drugs and legalize arms

>>266235

Unlikely, the cartels buy the cops off with bribes but they don;t have any popular support. Look what happened when the Mexican govt attacked that cartel a few years ago: Lots of threats of retaliation, but in the end the cartel was destroyed with minimal losses. All it takes is the political will.

Yeah cause a few dumb ass with masks can do anything against the cartels.

>>266232

Tokenism. The govt can't be seen to be doing nothing, but they don't want to lose all that delicious payoff money, either.

>>266211
I think we can assist in exposing there avenues of trade with the US. If we make a big enough stink here in the US over it the people will force the government to have to intervene. What are there trade routes, where are they getting there guns. Are they selling here in the US. What are there bank accounts, can we hijack them and spend all there money. I think we can fuck up there ability to operate and pull off there anonymity.

>>266307

The cartels AREN'T anonymous, dipshit. They're career criminals, they don't have a "public identity" you can banjax. Also, the FBI already tracks the money from cartel transactions, its the Mexican govt that has the power to stop them and its the Mexican govt that refuses to do so.

>>265918
>What we need is a global social movement that says no to all forms of oppression.

Jesus fucking christ, gringos.

>>266278

one branch of one cartel. easily replaced seeing how many people there live in poverty. We're discussing major military offensive against any and all cartels and i beleive it would result in a shitfest lasting for years.

kinda like getting rid of a hornets nest by whipping out your dick and pissing on it. there will be severe consequences

>>266334
I am sure they live in a giant mansion with a bright gleaming bilboard that says here we are, the fucking mass murderers that sell drugs....

>>266307

Then start a propaganda campaign.

The good news is that, cartels can't kill or silence you if you're anonymous.

The bad news is that nobody is truly anonymous.

>>266340

The cartels aren't anything like a match for the Mexican army, they're well equipped for gangsters but they don;t have tanks and attack helicopters, the fight would be laughably one-sided. And as already said, they have NO SUPPORT from the local people, this isn't like the FARC who can vanish into the civilian population when the army rolls in.

If this affects my access to weed these faggots can go fuck themselves.

>>266359

Where they live, who they are, where they keep their guns and drugs, ALL THESE THINGS ARE KNOWN TO THE MEXICAN AND AMERICAN SS. Taking them out would be expensive, and people would get killed, but its entirely doable by Mexico alone. What they lack is the political will, NOT information or superior firepower.

They have to use the internet and banking systems some how. Why dont we find out where they live and take down there internet and phone services? Find there bank accounts and take there money? Reduce there ability to operate... Oh and order them a thousand pizzas and rubber dildos... Then photo shop there faces onto some CP and send it to there mothers.

>>266368

It's cool bro, only shitty bushweed comes from Mexico anyway. Stick to BC bud, support Canadian organized crime, eh?

>>266399
I second this

>>266392

Yeah, I'm sure there would be no consequences to stealing money off of the cartels. In b4 HURR 7 PROXIES.

>>266412
build laptop ( yes u can build them from scratch ) Go to local airport hurr durr 7 proxies

>>266363

Wasn't the guy they beheaded anonymous? They tracked him down by bribing his ISP, iirc.

>>266426

Enjoy hacking a bank account from an airports wi-fi.

>2011
>buying pot

protip: you can grow it.

>>266432
... rly.

>>266365

I beleive you seriously underestimate how big the cartels are and how much intertwined with the general population they are. you can't "surgically cut" them. it would turn to a messy affair.

You can't just barge in, all guns blazing, like some hollywood action hero. Bodybags returning from afghanistan and iraq prove that point. And as far as the support for cartels go, do you actually beleive that people supporting them will state that publically? The cartels wouln't be nearly as big without quiet support from the poverty stricken people (and god knows mexico is full of them).

>>266444
That was a joke...

>>266448

I remember reading that back when this was a fresh news item, but a cursory websearch shows nothing.

>>266460
Second that.

>>266453

And I think you seriously OVERestimate the capabilities of the cartels. Yes, they buy silence from the locals, but even poor people aren't stupid, they don't actually support the cartels they just turn a blind eye. Again, look at the recent operation against a cartel by the Army, there were very few civilians OR soldiers killed and all the threats of "retribution" turned out to be hot air.

Well the convo did make it onto NPR yesterday... Just the fact that we announced that we were planning something. Seriously even if we just start off with something small and for the LULZ it would get the ball rolling. I agree with the statement about brute forcing there computers and stealing data.

Oh, hey, guys, Can you please stop using 'Anonymous' and its 4chan Memes in whatever bullshit you do? It's fucking embarrassing.

>>266460

Actually, now that I think EVEN HARDER, it may have been a thread on /n/. Not that that NECESSARILY makes it untrue, ofc.... And its certainly one possible way to track down an "anonymous" critic.

>>266489

Yet again:
That was an action against one (1) branch of one (1) cartel.
We're discussing assaulting all (over 9000) branches of all (over 9000) cartels simultaneously.

>>266507

Yes, propaganda and media coverage is the most effective weapon so-called "Anonymous" possesses.

>>266525
lmfao, not that I do but how so? I mean its highly unprofessional and all... But isnt that what we are all about here? Professionalism...

>>266525
What's really embarrassing is your opposition to the Anonymous movement that defines our generation. You are on the wrong side of history.

Not your personal army, also yes I buy drugs from the cartels. And until Obama makes them legal we will have similar killings like these.

>>266561
Agreed. They must have some net pressence that we can inflict some kind of measurable damage to. If not we can at least call them out on the world stage. I highly doubt they have any level of sofistication in the wired.

>>266558

And once again, it was an action taken by ONE division of the Mexican Army, and they absolutely roflstomped them. The cartels are outnumbered and outgunned at least 10 to 1, they present virtually no military threat. The biggest danger is that they try to embed themselves in a civilian population, which admittedly could get very messy, but actually destroying them is something Mexico's rulers could do tomorrow if they had the will.

>>266575
its been said before but since you dont read up,

Protip: Shop Canada. Better pot.

>>266579

Raising public awareness about the danger of cartels would be far more effective than trying to hack some random cartel's website.

>>266575
not personal army? R u not paying attention its already been decide on the 5th that anon is focusing them... and thats why its up for discusion.

>>266595
Meh I'm too lazy to go there and I've done way way more cocaine than weed. So far Cocaine is by far by far my favorite drug.

>>266579
> If not we can at least call them out on the world stage.

What, you mean like EVERY LEADER, NGO AND MEXICAN ALIVE EVER HAS ALREADY DONE? Jesus Christ, the cartels are not engaged in a propaganda war, there is literally no point telling people DURR CARTELS IZ BAD, because everybody already fucking knows that!

>>266605
well I think some one mentioned it before but dox'ing them and attacking there personal computers would b funny. Or at least fun. You got a better idea?

>>266616
Again, little newfaggot anonymous is NOT your personal army. I couldn't give 2 shits what hipster DDOS faggots think or planned.

>>266645

This. There are no lulz to be had taking on the cartels, why the fuck do you think Anon would give the slightest shit what happens in Beanerland?

>>266632
Calm down before you have an aneurism... I think it was just an idea being thrown out.

>>266589

Size matters. Just like a dick. that was a small OP that cleared a bit of druglords. It created a tiny void quickly filled by other cartels expanding to meet the market demands. A small military OP can be somwhat controlled and contained. the king of an OP needed to wipe all of the cartels for good would have to be humongous. Such an OP couldn't possibly be controlled or executed well enough to not become a really messy shitfest.

Seriously, you're saying that killing 50 cartel members is the same as eradicating tens of thousands?

>>266632

>lack of political will
>cannot be solved with raising awareness and propaganda

What the fuck am I reading

>>266659

Its a stupid and pointless idea. As is the idea of "hacking" their bank accounts (PROTIP: Even the government can't hack bank accounts, that shit is about as secure as it gets). What's next, occupying Mexico City with tents and placards until the cartels see what naughty people they've been and give up a life of crime?

>>266663

>What was Operation Barbarossa

>>266667
lul

Bring home the boys in Iraq
Send them to Mexico

Destroy Los Zetas and accept Canada into US territory

>>266667

Raising awareness implies that there is someone on this Earth who is unaware that the cartels are bad people. What's needed is pressure on Mexico's corrupt political class, and the only people in a position to do that are the Mexicans themselves. You seriously think they'd give SHIT ONE what a bunch of faggots on the internet say? The only way they'll take action is if their jobs are on the line, ie, if Mexicans start voting out the corrupt faggots.

rofl... yes occupy cartels... so much win

>>266695

A nazi germany plan to attack ussr which failed miserably like the napoleon's invasion plans it was based on. BTW, knowing that napoleon failed means nazis went full retard.

>>266715
>What's needed is pressure on Mexico's corrupt political class, and the only people in a position to do that are the Mexicans themselves

I think the Mexican government takes the United States pretty seriously too.

Anonymous is not an activist group and it certainly isn't your personal army. Fuck off.

>>266715
I think u just hit paydirt /b/rother... We can put pressure on government and police tha are working with the cartels if not directly attacking them.

>>266727

The point is that operations can be large, thus making your point invalid.

>>266663

Who says they have to take them all on at once? And even if they did (like if the cartels somehow decided to form a popular front or something) the Mexican Army would DESTROY them. Even if there ARE "tens of thousands" of cartel fighters (protip: there aren't) the Mexican army has tanks and attack helicopters and US sattelite intel, the cartels would have exactly zero chance of survival, let alone victory.

>>266727
Yea ... history much? smh...

>>266737
Yes we are...

>>266732

What exactly makes you think that? The way they said "fuck you" to our demands that they control illegal immigration? Or the way they said "fuck you" to our offers to assist in dealing with cross-border cartel actions?

>>266774
post news coverage/ article to support that claim.

>>266740

It's about the only effective course of action, but good luck offering them more than the paybacks they're getting, or threatening more than the brutal murder they'd be in line for if they crossed their cartel master.

>>266792
lol touche

>fighting Mexico's problems

Pass.
Not America's problem. Call me when the Mexican cartels are holding chunks of American land, terrorize the border, have hispanic gangs in every city in America selling the cartel's drugs and terrorizing the streets, have American banks laundering billions into Mexico, have Mexicans in all branches of American law enforcement and government in states along the border to only serve Mexicans at the expense of marginalizing American citizens to second-class citizens, and smuggling massive amounts of high-powered weaponry into Mexico; all while Mexicans come to the US to not fix their own country and instead shit up ours.

>>266774

If Mexico refuses to cooperate with the USA then the USA has a good reason to invade Mexico and effect a regime change.

>ANONYMOUS DOES NOT LIKE CENSORSHIP ANY WAY OR FORM
>OPERATION DARKNET AND TRY TO CENSOR THE ONION NETWORK BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY DO

:V

I for one hope Lazcano Lazcano kills a few more fucks like anon

So from this discorse I have gathered that the best is if Mexico military takes them down, all we can do is put political pressure on them and possibly attack there internet presence. Any one else have any suggestions?

>>266751

if you don't wipe them simultaneously, surviving cartels expand to fill the void left by the op. Kinda like cancer metastacizing. Either you remove all cancerous cells or the patient dies.
And you're clearly neglecting the possibility of a shitload of civilian casualties which would be the precise reason i ranted about operation sizes. in the civilized world, dead women an children aren't easily dismissed as collateral damage (popular excuse with us military).

>>266748
my point wasn't that op can't be large. my point was that op can't be humongous without turning into a mess (think loads of civillian casualties) thus rendering your reading comprehension and your brain invalid.

The Cartels will exist as long as a Drug Market exists

Otherwise there is no reason for a DRUG cartel

:V

>>266809
Arent they doing this already?

You can't say your going to take down a drug cartel and expect nothing to happen.

>>266809

>>266827
Elect Ron paul lmfao

>>266817

Not at all

Most Local barracks in Mexico and loads of Muni police work for the cartels or are paid off by them

Any news of a mass attack would cause them to leave their area and start fucking up another area

Like they have for the past 10 years

Shit the Z's could just move into fucking empty states like Oaxaca or even into Guatemala to avoid any Military

>>266817
steal there bank account info and order them 5 thousand pizzas... ??? Profit

>>266816

I think it's pretty clear that "Anonymous" is whatever the media decides it to be.

>>266809
There is no Mexico. There is no America. There is only us - the human race. We need to move beyond the old barriers of division and towards a brave new world of solidarity.

Zeitgeist detected...

but I agree

>>266809

sarcasm aside, I would not lose any sleep if the entire border was fucking nuked right now.

>>266852


Mexican detected.

>>266820

If you take them down one by one, and take them down hard, it will take time for new cartels to establish themselves. Further, if you imprison officials for taking bribes and generally take a zero-tolerance attitude to the cartels, they will never be able to re-establish themselves as anything more than smuggling rings, a problem yes but hardly a major one. There is nothing inevitable about Mexico becoming a narcostate, and there is no reason smugglers have to be allowed to thrive unmolested long enough to form pseudo militias.

>>266864

>Drug prices explode from difficulty of drugs moving in
>Watch prices of all drugs explode cept for ice

:V

>>266885

And weed. Don't forget weed.

>>266871

And such an action turns precisely into the humongous action producing the effects i was talking about. Kinda like treating the figurative cancer patient i was talking about by filling his body with bullet holes. figuratively ,the patient dies either way or IRL you have chaos all over the country. Surely you can't consider mexico thrown into chaos as acceptable consenquence of a war on drugs.

>>266896
I would support the cartels against some fgaggots on the internet if it means I will be paying more for weed. What are these Anon people offering me?

>>266368

>Mexican weed

>>>/britishcoumbia/

>>266896


mexican weed = the shittiest strain of weed known to man. It sells so well because the fucking Mexican gangs operating in the US attack, intimidate, and even murder anyone who sells something else in "their" terrotory, which is anywhere MExicans decide it is.

lol this is so fucking corny.

like a lot of 300 lb+ 2" dick wannabe superheroes lol.

>>266871

ITT: if simply allowed to continue on until it becomes a narcostate, The US would then simply invade Mexico and obliterate that country.

I suspect that's what might be in the works for a not-too-distant time.

In fact, it seems "reasonable" considering the present seeming psychotic mentality of Washington these days.

>>266871

:V

Bro we do have Militias in most of south Mexico since not a single fucking person trusts the goddamn Federal Government

Especially after the shit the PRI has pulled for the past almost 100 or so years of those fucks in power and the way nothing but rumors of corrupt fucks come down here from family or personal experience in the Northern States

http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1082

Shit check out the bottom of the article for 100 documented attacks from vigilante groups/mobs

:V

>>266915
>Surely you can't consider mexico thrown into chaos as acceptable consenquence of a war on drugs.

If it was up to me, there would be no war on drugs because I'd legalize them all. But given that that is not an option for Mexico (for whatever reason) then yes, temporary civil upheaval would be a price worth paying to avoid the fate of Columbia.

>>266917

You should be killed in the most brutal fashion imaginable you selfish bastard!

>>266959

I'm not talking about civilian militias, those I support. I'm talking about cartels having the time and money to equip large numbers of fighters as a pseudo militia.

>>266917

Obvious Nigger

>>266967
>fight war on drugs in the US
>cartels become violent animals to protect their profits

>imagine no war on drugs
>Cartels still there with blood on their hands, and will still kill anyone who fucks with them


You can't turn psychotic apes into civilized human beings, brah.

cool story bro

how does it feel to not be able to effect any change in the real world?

>>266953
Pretty much its what you see in any Narco-War discussion in the US

Loads of Clint Eastwood wanna be badasses who honestly think if you handed them a gun and set them loose in Mexico they would clear house in a matter of hours

Or the fucks who have no idea how bad the corruption is within the State at the moment or how fucked some people are just for living in certain States the government doesn't find too violent to send the Marines into
>>266871

>Invade Afghanistan
>HURR GOODBYE POPPY FIELDS
Oh wait

Nothing would be gained from invading Mexico or holding it

>>266967

read some of my previous posts.
1.mexico is your neighbouring country
1.b. huge border you cannot control
2.lots of mexicans (regular and cartel members) in your country (you only have rough estimates about the number of illegals, and a lot of those illegals are the criminal element)

Do you really want such a clusterfuck in your backyard?

>>266959

>Implying vigilantes can do shit against cartels with machineguns and rocket launchers

>Implying cartels can be defeated without an invasion of South America

>>266992

True, the world will always have psychopaths. But so what? The problem isn't that evil men exist, its that they can make a vast fortune smuggling drugs. Remove their funding, and the cartels would cease to exist.

Nothing I can do and I doubt you guys want the US Military in Mexico even if I do.

We really need to stop thinking that governments can solve problems. They can't. Government is the problem. Collective action is the solution. We have to help organize and empower Mexicans to overthrow the drug lords. With out support they can defeat the criminals. Stop waiting for big daddy government and take action.

>>267003

I'm not the one talking about invading Mexico, I think this is a problem best dealt with by Mexico itself. Also, cocaine isn't grown in Mexico so that's a false analogy anyway.

>>266337
>Implying white people give a shit about Mexico

>>267024
agreed

>>267024
***with our support

>>266983

They have the money
They have the guns I can assure you

Problem is only with the quality of "soldiers"

Right now the Z's are recruiting mostly young stupid desparate kids

Sinaloa has had hitmen cells that look like the type of old men you'd see playing chess in the park

Shit most of the Military/Police/ deserters/Mercs make up a small percentage of sicarios or narcos

And until that quality rises these groups won't be worth giving a shit about on the federal stage

But the government has to step in to avoid another fuck up like San Fernando/Monterrey Casino/Durango ect

>>267024

Idiot detected. In the land with no government, the man with the most guns is king. And the security of its citizens is ABSOLUTELY the legitimate concern of government, even Libertardians agree on that.

>>267024
>>267036
>>267041

>Hurr durr we can make tanks and missiles out of the power of dreams and friendship

Fuck off retard

>>266992
Yes let's just do away with laws in general because people tend to disobey them.

>>267011
>Remove their funding, and the cartels would cease to exist.

No they wouldn't. They will do ANYTHING to protect their profits. If weed was legalized in the US, you can expect every shaved-head tattooed Mexican inside of America to terrorize legal sellers and retailers. Basically they'd spill their war and violence over to the US side in full force.


The fuckers voting down legalized weed is a large part for why legalizing weed was voted down last year. They're in OUR system here in America and unless the US is willing to deport 20 million Mexicans and millions more Mexico-loyal anchor babies then there isn't shit anyone can do about it.

>>267005

America has the strongest army in the world, if Mexico started to clean up the cartels and said cartels tried moving operations north, they would regret it.

>>266334

Oh go fuck yourself

The American Banks like Wachovia are helping the DTO's launder money

And the Feds in the US are helping the Sinaloa Cartel by providing them with Arms and pathways to move product North

Shit loads of Narcos have confirmed it

Even that fucking son of the M1 confirmed that he's a paid informant

>>267051
Libertarians don't agree on that. The state is organized violence, as is the drug cartel. As human beings we must refuse to accept any hierarchical system of organization based on violence.

>>267059

They'd try to move into another line of business, for sure. Maybe racketeering, maybe people smuggling, w/e. Fact is, it wouldn't be as profitable and so they would lose power. The fighters they have don't support them out of loyalty, but because they get PAID.

>>267085
Libertarians might not agree with that but history does.

>>267024

What? Do you think you're the first one who's come up with this idea? You think you're the only one? Guess again!

People have been trying to "empower" the Mexican people to rise up and beat the drug cartels and drug lords for decades, now! Their reaction?
"Fuck that! Why risk our lives when we can just sneak into US for better life?"
And so it goes. You can't "empower" a people who just don't give a fuck!

>>267050

All the more reason to hit them now, while they're no threat to the state, and not wait until Mexico is Columbia 2.0

>>267085

No, ANARCHISTS don't agree with that. Libertarians are for small government, not no government.

So can we all at least agree that we are going to do something, pick it and do it? Cant we just raid something and have a good laugh?

Just fucking invade Mexico and hang everyone who is associated with organized crime.

>>267059


like how when prohibition ended the mafia tblew up budwiser, and how after roe v wade, the mafia killed abortion doctors?

>>267080

Yeah, no. US agencies monitor and infiltrate the cartels in America, they don't act directly to crush them because Mexico has a shitfit whenever anyone even mentions the problem. Also, American banks =/= the American govt.

>>267122

The mafia didn't kill 35,000+ people since 2007 and were better armed than the military.

>>266080
No. What we did there was a release of information. You don't need to release any information to realize that the government isn't doing shit about the cartels.

>>267117
Sure and also any American who has funded this shit by buying Mexican drugs

I'll wait for your

>BUT THATS NOT RIGHT
>>267089

Doesn't matter because outside of Sinaloa and I would assume the CDG the Z's/CT/Juarez make their money from ice/crack/heroin

This is where the real money comes in

You can lose 16 tons of Pot and get 20 dead guys in Mexico for fucking up

You lose 16lbs of coke and you got the same amount

Unless the US is willing to legalize the harder shit and prepare for an influx of addicts and paying for them and their needs

I doubt the US will ever be able to do anything to hurt the cartels financially

I mean shit the Z's are making most of their money by kidnapping/extorting/stealing shit

:V

>>267117

>>267125

Agreed, you'd have to legalize all drugs for that to work. Which won't happen, because for some reason people keep voting for prohibition. So barring that, the only course of action left is violence. And since, as you agree, the cartels are gaining strength every day, NOW would be a good time to fuck the ever living shit out of them.

Also lol at thinking ending prohibition would INCREASE drug use: Look at Portugal, since they decriminalized all drugs they've seen year on year declines in drug use and problems with addicts. Likewise, the end of alcohol prohibition in the US saw a sharp drop in alcohol abuse.

>>267154

>and also any American who has funded this shit by buying Mexican drugs

Well why the fuck not?

>>267110
It has to be about faggot social activism for some reason. Like anyone in America outside the reddit/chan echo chamber gives a fuck about the protesters. They may agree income disparity is high but there is no fucking way you avg. American is going to turn out for a protest.

>>267193

Look at Amsterdam

>>267211

What about it? Are you suggesting they have a drug problem? Also, drugs are illegal in Holland, they merely turn a blind eye to cannabis in coffeeshops, that's not decriminalization but pragmatism.

>>267085

If you are using "Libertarian" in its older context, then you are correct. If you are using the term in its newer, American context, then you are only partially correct.

Also >>267051
Not sure if implying governments are concerned with helping their people but if you are please continue reading
>Gigantic fucking moron who doesn't know a god damn thing about history detected

i asked my mom if i could be anonymous and she said no so then i told her i hate her and then she said if i clean my room i can an ice cream so i think i am going to do that

good bye guys

>>267228

Governments are concerned with maintaining power. In a democracy, that means they have to take care of the voters, yes. A narcostate might not give a shit about people being killed in the streets, but a government accountable to its electorate sure as shit does.

lmfao rly?

were going to DDOS their house!

>>267193

>Bringing up Portugal in a Mexican Narco-war thread
>You'veactivatedmytrapcard.jpg

:V

Because If you want to apply Portugal's stance on drugs in the USA

I have to first make this very clear

>Portugal
>Population:3M
>Closest source of Drugs
Italy/Africa/
>Closest Drug producing country
Afghanistan

US
>Population 300M+
>Closest source of Drugs
Right next door in Mexico and through the Caribbean
>Closest drug producing country
Mexico/Colombia/Peru

You are an idiort if you think application something like Portugal's drug plan would do anything

>>267256

God DAMN that looks satisfying. Where can I get a mock-up of a computer made of thin sheet tin?

>>265755
NOPE

Anonymous will only do something if one of their people is killed or kidnapped

Remember how nothing came out when that member was released?

>>267266

Are you suggesting that by decriminalizing drugs Portugal somehow made itself more remote from suppliers? The fact is, amounts used DROPPED. Also, I see you ignored the point about prohibition of alcohol, a substance that can be MADE directly in the fucking USA, and yet that dropped in popularity after prohibition ended.

>>267252
>In a democracy, that means they have to take care of the voters, yes

Dipshit Kantian failure logic detected.
Read a book mother fucker.

>>267314

How about "use your eyes", retard? You see any functioning democracies tolerating voters being slaughtered in the streets?

>>267294

No because you already had a small amount of addicts within an already tiny population of people so far off from major amounts of drugs i'm not shocked that addiction rates dropped

Also not helping that only 1 fucking source exists for DRUG RATES GOING DOWN in Portugal from 2008

Which really makes me wonder if it still has been effective

>PROHIBITION GOING AWAY MADE EVERYTHING BETTER

Alrighty then you legalize Coke/Dope/Crystal

I'll watch the US burn and collapse from giving all these addicts welfare and further leech from the Fed

>But your implying that more access to drugs will increase addicts have some HOPE in people man
>YOU MADE A FALLACY

Im expecting either both of these responses because this is so how your gonna respond

:V