I pay all my bills online and everything else goes via UPS or FedEx. Every package I have ever sent via USPS has been smashed beyond recognition. One of them even arrived soaking wet. Wtf? did they drop it in a pool or something? It would not make a difference in my life if the USPS suddenly disappeared.

This is a shining example of how private businesses can run circles around anything the government can put together.

What about Postal Employee Newman?

WHAT ABOUT NEWMAN!?

>>2636815
sounds like the mailman knows you don't like the postoffice.

>>2636815
>I have ever sent via USPS has been smashed beyond recognition
I made the mistake to buy plants online.
When the package arrived all the young plants that didn't have a strong enough stem yet were dead. I diagnosed shaken baby syndrome.
They really don't give a fuck about the content of their packages.

>>2636714
The US Postal Service has actually made about 700 million dollars in profit. The main reason why they're making less money is because they have pay for pension plans years and years in advance to postal service men that will not be born yet due to some bullshit law.

Get rid or reform the retirement fund bullshit and you will fix the USPS.

It's like the Japanese Zombie banks... so large and unprofitable that people wondered why they were still in business.

>inb4 liberals defend the USPS with no facts and all emotion.

>>2636922

lardass union labor

I heard they're the biggest employer in the country.

>Their workforce (if you can call it that) is full of niggers, women and retards, because they have to meet quotas.
LOL! Don't get me started about the disabled people who moonshine as postal workers.
I had a guy delivering a package once who had 3 fingers
3 FINGERS! It was so awkward when i gave him my signature and he lost his pen.

USPS rustles my jimmies more than a lot of things.

I almost never have problems with USPS

USPS's 2-3 day priority mail service is almost always the same price as UPS's 4-7 days ground service. The only benefit I see to private companies is that they do ship larger packages more cheap than USPS

>>2636714
You know that with the current establishment that there's no way the USPS will be reformed to be competent and competitive. You dare touch the union system's lavish benefits and they will riot like none other. Pic very fucking related

The Postal Workers Union is ludicrously powerful.

My dad was a postal worker. He actually did the stereotypical postal worker thing and flew off the handle at work one day, and beat the shit out of his boss.

Despite getting arrested for assault, he actually kept his job, because the union stepped in.

I love my dad - he was never violent at home or anything. But I can't help but think it's a pretty fucked up situation where a labor union has so much power that they can keep you from getting fired even if you physically assaulted your boss.

It's not their fault. They want to lay off their workers, close 25% of their post offices, and cease hiring for 5 years.

The fed won't allow them. They're mandated to have X post offices within Y miles despite there not being enough people in the area to warrant it.

They need to drop down to Monday and Friday delivery (maybe keep Wednesday), close half their stores and force residents to use mail drop boxes or something else.

This is fucked up

>>2637070
Old people will never, ever, ever fucking allow it.

AARP is the single most powerful lobby in the country, and old people don't understand computers.

Until the baby-boomers die off completely, the postal service will continue to exist.

I don't know how you can hate on the USPS when the USPS sometimes delivers packages for UPS, and they will deliver to place that private couriers won't go because it isn't profitable.

>>2637143
I live in the middle of fuck nowhere and FedEx comes to me.

You know what happens when they don't have the federally mandated amount of minorities?
They go on a hiring spree in the projects and hire niggers from dusk till dawn to meet the quota.
*sigh*

>>2637143
because BIG GUBERMANT. lolbertarians hate to see the government provide a better service than private corporations

>Their workforce (if you can call it that) is full of niggers, women and retards, because they have to meet quotas.
I worked at UPS one summer. It is also full of niggers, women, and retards.

I knew someone that worked at a Convergies calls center for USPS. The first of the month was the most stressful day for her because there would be nonstop calls from people "WHERES MY WELFARE CHECK" "ITS 1201 AND THE POST MAN IS ALWAYS HERE AT 1200, I'M GOING TO SUE YOU!" and the rest of the day was similar calls.

If the service they provided was profitable then we would not need the government to do it.

The military makes no profit either and costs a fuckton more then the post office.

your idiotic ideology about government services being "profitable" is why we have such shitty public transportation in the US.

My local post office (small town) doesn't even have a proper postal truck. It's a shitty station wagon. The USPS is really sad. I will say I do get my mail around the same time each day. Shitty package service, though. They just leave the package on top of my mailbox instead of at the door. If I had the choice I'd get my mail from UPS.

>>2637167
>implying that people wouldn't get their packages and mail without the postal service.
Of course you'd have to pay extra if you're living in the middle of nowhere, but that goes without saying. Gas isn't free.

>>2637035

Except Scott Walker won and is already turning Wisconsin around.

The lesson learned here is come at the unions full force blitzkrieg style.

>>2637037

Sounds like my friend's dad who was in the pipefitter's union and destroyed his bossed office.

a. The Post Office budget is fucked because shitty Congress is meddling and forcing them to put billions in a fund that Congress is then stealing from.
b. I get most packages through USPS and haven't had a problem.
c. USPS charges 50 cents to get your birthday card to grandma. FedEx and UPS it's $10.

>>2637176
never hear of Fedex or UPS?

>>2637233
they dont do what the post office does.

Btw, "independent" UPS has lobbied (bought off) Congress to pass special laws that only affect UPS workers, forcing them to carry heavier packages and such.

>>2637255
They do it better and turn profits

>>2637229
>sending birthday cards in the mail
>not using email

Not only are you a faggot libtard, you are a hypocritical libtard too. Do you know how much in natural resources you waste sending cards in the mail?

>>2637265
no they dont. They do something different. Fedex does not deliver a postcard to Alaska for 30 cents or whatever the fuck it is.

The free market will fix it. No really.

>>2637265
>They do it better and turn profits
Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit.
UPS and FedEx don't deliver cards and letters for 50 cents, they charge minimum $9.
UPS and FedEx don't deliver circulars and advertising and bills.
UPS and FedEx don't have Congress meddling in every decision they make to score political points.
So, no, not the same, liar.

>>2636714
Postal Reform Act of 1996
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R40983.pdf

This piece of legislation passed in 1996 ordered the USPS to prefund their pension benefit program for the next 80 years in under 2 decades.

This is a burden that literally no other company in the world has to deal with. While the USPS pulls in nearly 10 billion in profit before this obligation, the cost of prefunding the pension program for EIGHTY FUCKING YEARS negates that.

Even while this is happening, the USPS takes exactly $0 of tax payer money. The USPS is entirely funded by the business they do. A business that no private company would or will do.

>>2637273
>Not only are you a faggot libtard, you are a hypocritical libtard too. Do you know how much in natural resources you waste sending cards in the mail?
"Here, Grandma, I clicked on a link to email you happy birthday"
Yeah, she'd much rather have that than something her granddaughter made from construction paper and glitter.
Jeez, aren't you a shitty ungrateful child.

>>2637229
>>2637300
>>2637309
The USPS doesn't deliver a post card for 50 cents either.

They charge 50 cents upfront and $9.50 via taxpayer funding.

Don't send packages via USPS, if you have to just make sure to put in lot's of styrofoam, because they won't be gentle.

>>2637265
I'm not one to defend the BS the USPS pulls, but at least where I live their service is far superior to Fedex and UPS around here. Getting shipping through USPS usually gets my order to me at the earliest mentioned day or even earlier and at a reasonable time. The last time I ordered something with UPS delivery I requested 2-day shipping, and my order took 4 days after confirmation and didn't deliver until 7:00 PM. They also just turn around and leave with my order if I'm not there to answer the door the INSTANT they ring the bell.

I can't defend the USPS failing hard, but where I live they do a far better job than the competitors that SHOULD be superior in quality of service.

>>2637309

They can't deliver letters and first class mail by law.

USPS gone, suddenly FedEx/UPS handles letter delivery.

>UPS and FedEx don't deliver cards and letters for 50 cents

not yet

>>2637309
Dude, UPS and FedEx are not even allowed to compete with first class mail and letters. It is illegal for them to compete in this sector. Not to mention that they have a competitor that gets 5-15 billion dollars every single year from the taxpayers. You can't compete with "free" money.

>>2637342
>They charge 50 cents upfront and $9.50 via taxpayer funding.

And actual lie.

>>2637418
>>2637342
see:
>>2637330

>>2637349
don't ship via parcel post, then. If I have something that is time-sensitive or need to get there in good shape, use priority mail

>>2637421
You don't seem to understand the concept of taxation. Every time you send mail you'll have to pay for it. Since the 50 cents are not covering the cost you have to pay for the difference with your tax dollars.

>>2637342 I doubt it costs that much. Their model works because the expensive trips are funded by the local/profitable ones. Then Private companies come along and Poach the profitable part of their business(sending packages) and you complain that they aren't profitable. The same thing happened when public transport was privatized in europe, they closed the unprofitable routes and people who depended on service lost it.

>Dont put any money into public services
>Laud private sector over underfunded public option

Oh America, you so silly...

I've been ordering shit online for years.
USPS has never lost a package to me or missed a delivery

UPS delivered my package to some random address once and I had to walk a couple of blocks to get it. They've also missed the scheduled delivery date twice.

Fed Ex has repeatedly missed my scheduled delivery and they don't even bother to ring your door bell to give you the package they just drop it somewhere so it can get stolen. Or at least I assume that's what happened. I had people home all day for that delivery and nobody showed up yet on the website it showed up as delivered. Cocksucker probably kept it for himself.

So yeah go eat a dick free-marketfags.

>>2637330
>The USPS is entirely funded by the business they do. A business that no private company would or will do.
What the fuck am i reading?

Typical dishonesty from conservatives.
UPS and FedEx do not want to provide the same service as the USPS.
They want the poach the profitable parts and forget the rest.
America is a large country. There are a lot of people who depend on mail service that UPS and FedEx will never provide.
It's like all the out-sourcing the military does.
"Hey, let's have KBR build barracks, it's marginally cheaper, and more importantly, someone gets to make a huge profit off it!"
Great, then KBR hires a bunch of semi-literate workers who don't give a fuck and do shoddy work, resulting in American troops dying from electrocution in the shower.
Outsource everything to heartless corporations, great plan.

The military bleeds 1 Trillion per year and hasn't turned a profit and they are a lot less useful.

>USPS has never lost a package to me or missed a delivery
Did you move there for the great delivery district?

>UPS and FedEx do not want to provide the same service as the USPS.
They're bared from providing the same service by law. What are you talking about?

>>2637527
Name one service the USPS provides that UPS or Fedex does not. You can not.

>>2637527
Article I, section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution grants Congress the power to establish post offices and post roads, which has been interpreted as a de facto Congressional monopoly over the delivery of mail. Accordingly, no other system for delivering mail – public or private – can be established, absent Congress's consent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service#Universal_service_obligation_and_monopoly_
status

The free market can't work if it is chained. Remove the chains and the free market will kick the post office's ass so bad it won't even be a fight.

ITT: Socialist Postal Pigs protecting their place at the public trough.

Yes, yes. Work harder to pay for your african brothers, Goyim.

By minarchic realization, the function of the USPS only exists to conveying mail among government employees and between government employees and an regular individuals, for official purposes. They just convey mail among every individual as a convenience.

the USPS gives me some pretty cheap shipping deals

Don't fuck with me bro, I need the USPS

>>2637674
suck a dick, paulfag

>>2637717
How would you even know if you're getting a good deal? There's no competition. You can't possibly tell that it's cheap by looking at only one price.

You mad, postal worker number 2637733?

>>2637756
UPS, Fed Ex

The postal service should only be used to deliver official correspondence on an as-needed basis.

Court documents? USPS
Voter registration? USPS
Administrative correspondence? USPS
Letters between private citizens? Private carrier.
Commercial bulk mail? Private carrier.

>>2637037
On a similar vein, my uncle is a postal worker.

He has no college education, and basically all he does is sit on a stool and sort mail all day.

He makes $60,000 a year.

To reiterate, my uncle makes $60,000 a year doing something that a robot or a trained monkey could do.

>>2637591
sell stamps.

>>2637560

No shit. Probably lives next door to the post office. I bet they could still fuck that up.

>>2637824
>checkmate

>Nobody desputes anything OP said
>All the poorfags just wants to continue to get subsidized mail and packages
This is why democracy doesn't work, because the lower classes will always stuff their pockets in ridiculous ways at the expense of the rest of us.
How about paying for your mail by yourself instead of making me pay for it with taxes.

>>2637502
It's called a fact. I know that you must never see them since you spend all your time listening to Fox News and Infowars but out here in the real world, they exist.

>>2637591
Express delivery for under 10$. Delivery to the middle of fucking nowhere USA.

Once you go brown you stay around

a government postal service is required as written in the constitution

deal with it fags

>>2637815
What's with the new swastika, Alma Wade?

>>2637862

and run the 60% chance that it will never get there

>>2637879
He's getting edgier. "HEY GUYS I REALLY HATE NIGGERS, AM I COOL YET? XD"

>>2637879
I likes it.

>>2637882
Don't forget the 95% chance it will be crushed or damaged in some way.

>>2637878

Since when the fuck did libfags give shit about whats in the constitution?

>>2637591
Small country International service. UPS and Fed ex both ship their packages to a central USPS hub that then sends the small country international packages, that are then picked up in that country by people wearing the brownstain unifroms but are actually contractors.

Next day trans national packages. Neither brown nor fedex send next day transnationals they rely on the USPS to deliver to UPS and fedex central hubs.

Local mail. It's price prohibitive for both companies and as of ten years ago they both said without a doubt that they are not interested in providing that service unless we double the amount of money we give USPS and they take over USPS

>mfw I work in logistics for one of the main carriers other than USPS and send packages out daily via the post office because it's cheaper

USPS delivers packages in 3 days or less..

UPS/FedEx could deliver in the same time frame as well, but instead they just keep your package sitting around and make you pay extra for "express" shipping

I say the postal service does an A&B type schedule.

Mailboxes in Group A would get their mail Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

Mailboxes in Group B would get their mail Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday.

The mailmen would still get to work a full schedule. The volume of mail would be enough to return to previous levels. Through attrition, you could ultimately reduce the routes.

Now if it is warranted, some areas could get 6-day mail service, and in very low volume areas, you could go to a 2 time a week schedule (Groups A,B, and C).

>>2637905

>Extra day == more money

In my experience UPS 3 day ground is cheaper than 2 day air.

>>2637842
Let me tell you a little something about private carriers, son ;D
There are private mail companies in almost every other industrial nation. Are you going to deny their existance? Germany was exactly where we are today. Their Bundespost was bankrupt, a money hole that was infamous for its shitty service.
What did they do? They privatized it in 1995 and have since turned it into a profitable company that made 4 billions in profit last year in a country the size of Ohio.

usps does not utilize one dime of taxpayer money. There are a lot of ignorant parrots in this thread that do not understand topics they wish to discuss and make no effort towards informing themselves.

Lazy trash. You have no excuse in the information age.

I'm self employed and I send hundreds of packages through the USPS.

Perhaps once or twice a month I have a damaged package, and it's generally of these cheap shipping tubes I use. But it's cheaper to give a full refund on that item once a month than to buy stronger shipping tubes.

Basically you guys are all retarded and don't know how to secure a package.

Don't blame others for your incompetence

>>2637916
>HURR GERMANY WAS JUST LUCKY
>HOW DOES THE FREE MARKET WORK?
>UNICORNS DURP

>>2637922
yes they do you fucking retard have you ever looked at their financial statements!! goddamn

USPS who hasnt been profitable in years YET SOMEHOW IS STILL OPERATING LOL

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? DID THEY MAGICALLY DEFER YEARS OF LOSSES AHEAD? LOL

also, USPS has a monopoly on nonurgent letters which is such fucking bullshit

>>2637908
And that is someone talking sense. Congrats you have learned what efficiency is. Now if only you can explain that to congresswithout them changing it to fit their ass licking view

>>2636714
biggest problem with the post office?
>Congress.
A few years ago Congress passed into law a little bill that forced the post office to fully fund their pension plan 80 years in advance.

You know what corporation fully funds their pension plan eighty years in advance?
>none.
By law you need to fund your pension 3 years in advance, if you have a pension. But congress wants Post office to fully fund their pension for people they haven't even hired yet.

>Congress
That's the problem with the USPS

>>2637925
>on /pol/
>being preachy
>mfw

>Congress
>That's the problem with the US

ftfy

>implying the costs to maintain the USPS isn't pennies compared to military and social funds

>>2637942
I actually have, and no, they dont.
Shitty bluff failure.

They recieve a subsidy for handling write-in votes which amounts to purchasing a service from them and they do not profit from this at all.

Oh and they actually were profitable right up until congress fucked with them.

You dont know what you are talking about, why would you reply to a post complaining about ignorant people who are too lazy to actually investigate things for themselves?

You're a special kind of lazy and stupid.

>>2638030
blah blah more bullshit out of youre ass completely ignoring how the fucking shitty department survives on a fucking 3.3 billion operating loss THROUGH TREASURY PAYMENTS

DURRR gubmint printing cash to feed a useless company sounds like an inflation tax to me doesnt it retard?

think hard now

I can't believe right wing radio has actually turned you retards against the postal service. Lol.

Funny story but i swear is 100% true.My grandpa and that side of the family lived in Watts. He had problems finding a job at one point but got a job at the post office because affirmative action considered whites the minortiy of the area.

>>2638065
so you are okay with the usps losing 3.3 billion dollars?

is that how businesses work? loss a fuckton cash but continue with zero changes?

>>2636714
I love the postmaster general.
He says "we're probably going to lose 14 billion dollars" and "people have done a great job holding costs" with straight face & in the same breath.

>>2638065
>implying anyone here listens to the radio, let alone right-wing radio.

>>2638103

this

They lost more money then Obama's solar boondoggles.

>>2636898
this is the correct answer. I have never had a problem with USPS service. I ship about 25-30 packages a month and they have not lost one yet

I always use USPS, the other services are too damn expensive for international shipping. I print my shipping labels from home though, if I actually had to go into a post office it would be a nightmare. I've been there once or twice and they are HORRIBLE. Always fat black bitches full of "tude". Also our mailman is sort of an asshole, but the UPS and Fed Ex delivery guys are always friendly. USPS's biggest problem is its employees, nogs are taking yet another thing down.

The tragic thing is that the head of the post office wanted to slash 150000 jobs over the next years, but was cockblocked by the white house.
We're in a depression, people don't write letters anymore, so it's only natural to cut jobs, but for political reasons this didn't happen.

>>2638065
>I can't believe statists assume a failed, unnecessary archaic company ought to exist because it belongs to the government!

>The American Letter Mail Company was started by Lysander Spooner in 1844, competing with the legal monopoly of the United States Post Office (USPO) (now the USPS) in violation of the Private Express Statutes. It succeeded in delivering mail for lower prices, but the U.S. Government challenged Spooner with legal measures, eventually forcing him to cease operations in 1851.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Letter_Mail_Company

>mfw the state forced a superior competitor out of business which would have made the people better off at the expense of the government's coercive monopoly