we cant let you do that OP

>I believed in Obama,
Nigger lover stopped reading there.And i was just about to write a wall of text how my slav soul went from pro-American to laughing at you idiots.Also thanks to your educational system i finished high school at 16.Nice going idiots.

>/pol/ what happened to us?

Nothing. The rest of the world just recovered from the world wars.

>>2629355
What does Obama being black have to do with anything? He was elected cause Bush was a retard that quite literally drove us into the ground, and he promised he'd be different.

He isn't really, but there is no alternative since the republican party is a derpfest of retards trying to outretard each other.

>>2629395
nig lover detected
get out o f /pol/

>>2629405
>Implying Black People with their superior dicks, intelligence, and athletic prowess are not the only men worthy of love.
>I SHIGGY BO DIGGY FO SHO

Yes. America is the land of the setting sun. Our government stopped serving the people over 50 years ago, and our people have an entitlement mentality with no work ethic whatsoever. We're over educated, over drugged, over stimulated, and we live as serfs in a continuous cycle of debt, the threat of which is the only thing that motivates us to work at all. We're a nation of women. We don't deserve what we have, and we won't realize it until its all gone and we have to pick up the pieces to start from scratch.

American's are the most pathetic people on the planet.

While in Michigan... we have been ruled by Canadians... and flooded with Tim Horton's, centres, and theatres!

>>2629395
>>that quite literally drove us into the ground
>>literally
>>Implying George Bush actually took a hammer, literally took a hammer in his hand, and hit you and at least one other person on the head until you were partially covered in soil.
>>literally

NO. FUCK YOU. THAT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THAT WORD MEANS. I fucking hate that shit. "Literally backed into a corner" "Literally thrown under the bus." NO. I'VE FUCKING HAD ENOUGH.

the colleges were infiltrated by communists and that cancer has now infected the public education system.

>>2629497
Its refreshing to see Amerifags taking a stand for something that really matters, maybe there is hope for you yet

What we need is someone to tell Israel to shove their "special relationship" up their ass and fuck off into SA pariah status till they into brain or blow up, that would be a start

>Israeli war

Stopped reading right there. Israel begged us not to invade Iraq, and yet you morons still somehow blame them.

>>2629670
>Implying Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Iran weren't entirely Israel's doing
>2012

Good goy

What happened is very simple, OP - you ignored the warning of one of your last great leaders, and have become ruled by a shadow government.

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades."

-Dwight D. Eisenhower, January 17, 1961

>>2629697
>ignoring all facts to the contrary

Iran yes, the others no. And the entire rest of the Middle East is pushing us on Iran, not just Israel.

Why would Israel even care about Afghanistan?

>Dat feel when Israel is a cancer we unleashed and fed rather naively.
>Dat feel when they are going to end up ruling us.

>>2629753
>Spewing the "Iran is the worlds problem, not Israels problem" mantra.

oh wow.

for starters we can't stop fighting the cold war....

>he cares about the opinion of jealous Europoors on the Internet

Op is a faggot

>>2629797
>implying I'm wrong

oh wow

>>2629721
that quote by Carlin. It's definitive.

/thread

>>2629721
Holy shit that pic.

So, what do we do?

>>2629294
ITT fags from western europe and american idiots who give a shit about their opinion.

Go to eastern europe, or asia... they love americans there.

>We were the good guys, bringing peace and prosperity and opportunity.
When was that?

>>2629924
Don't interrupt grandpa when he rambles on, dear. He'll just get mad.

>>2629902
>eastern europe
People here are mostly anti-anything not slav.They just act pro-american to get money on infrastructure projects and tourists.Oh and we love Germany because they give us jobs and more money than anybody else.

>>2629861
>>2629876
>Listening to a millionaire ramble on about how the system is bad.

How's college?

>>2629797
>implying the Saudis don't hate Iran

>>2630043
>Implying that's somehow relevant, or that its not Israel, the only nuclear armed apartheid state in the region who is pushing quite overtly for America to go go to war for them.

>>2629797
>Iran threating to blockade the strait of hormuz
>not a problem for the rest of the world

>>2630092
>Leaving out the part about Israel pushing to attack Iran for a while now

>>2629924
we did some pretty awful things but relatively speaking we were. now we're some of the worst.

>>2629876
You stop waiting to be told what to do, that's what.

If you want change, you must make it happen. It is much easier than you think it is.

We must grasp our own destinies, and allow ourselves, each and every one of us, to control them. It's rather clear that things need to change – the governments need to be transparent and truly run by the people for the good of all of all of us, even the weak or vulnerable or those we dislike.

No innocent blood shall be spilt – no lives lost in pointless wars. No money shall be gained by those who have not earned it, for we will be too observant, and "the system" too open to allow it.

The government – your government, mine, and the next man's – shall do anything more than blindly and fairly serve the interests of all, providing little more than an infrastructure within which we can all thrive and peacefully do as we wish.

They, the state, will be afraid to so much as fart in a direction we dislike. And you know something? It'll be bloody wonderful.

because the western world is now like living in Atlas Shrugged

>>2629924

In the movies.

>>2630085
>Implying it's not relevant
>implying it's just Israel
>implying the Saudis don't have more control over our government then even the Israelis.

>>2630128
>leaving out that Israel has every reason to fear the existential threat of a nuclear Iran

>>2630131
Can you give me a specific time period or what?

>>2630142
> No money shall be gained by those who have not earned it

And who is the arbiter of this? You?

>>2630194
>Leaving out that the only agressive, occupying power in the region with nuclear weapons and constant wars of invasion, not to mention an ongoing displacement of the locals is Israel, or that the only reason Iran has any power is because they helped Lebanon to successfully get rid of the Israeli cancer

I wanna see murka being as strong as it was 70 years ago.
What the fuck are you waiting for? Invade North Korea and Iran already. I wanna see some blood. I want to live through (or die in) a world war, goddamit.

I am a yurpoor and my country would be the first to get invaded by Russia if shit went down but I want to see the world destroy it self again.

Goddamn, murkas get your warface on. Fucking pansies!

>>2629294
What is that picture from? Can anyone give me source for that?

>>2630260
>implying that makes Mullahs with nukes any less of a bad bad idea, of giving matches to the baby in the tinderbox, so bad that invading is actually a better option
>implying that the fact that Iran's managed to unite almost the entire rest of the Middle East in opposition, other then their buttbuddies Syria, Hamas, and Hezbollah isn't significant.

>>2630560
>Implying that opposition isn't just American/Israeli puppets and that Egypt and other Arab spring places aren't backing them, or that they don't have wide popular support.

Hey America.

Let me run down a quick list of the public perception of what is wrong with your country. I mean no disrespect, I understand that YOUR understanding is limited by your massive corporate media exposure.

1. Two-party political system that allows for no middle ground.

2. Ownership of the government, via bribery, by corporations.

3. Ownership of the media, outright, by corporations.

4. Gradual moral degeneration since WWII from "War is a Necessary Evil" to "War is Inevitable" to "War is okay as long as there's a profit involved" to "War is fun." Obviously this attitude requires total ignorance of actual warfare.

5. The Wealth Gap - much greater than most people even suspect - the numbers don't tell the story, most Americans have no possible perspective of how much money a billion dollars represents.

6. A frightened population, many of whom are opposed to USA international policies, but are afraid to speak up because of the police state.

>>2630492
>russia
>invade europe
fucking LOL

>>2630651
American here, this

>>2630659
I mean the eastern former soviet states

>>2630698
Oh ok. That's probably doable.

>>2630698
Eastern former soviet states invade
>Ukraine
>Romania
>Belarus
>Poland
>Invade

Dis muh nigger. Invade with migrant workers/turnip pickers perhaps.

>>2630582
>claiming they have wide popular support.

They don't.
Not in the Arab world, at least. I'm sure they do inside Iran. But the Arab street, from the Sheiks down to the nomads, all hate and fear the idea of a nuclear armed Iran.

>>2630582
>he thinks the Sunni-Arab countries support Iran
you are so fucking stupid

>>2630828
You really should check the news, RE: Egypt.

PROTIP: THE NUCLEAR QUESTION IS A DISTRACTION, NOTHING MORE

Consider this:

1. The technology to create a nuclear weapon has been around now for 67 years, and is actually freely available on the internet.

2. The amount of enriched uranium on the planet which is unaccounted for could fill a city bus.

CONCLUSION: ANY COUNTRY THAT WANTS NUKES ALREADY HAS THEM!!!

Obviously, having nukes and using them are two completely different games.

Wake up, distracted generation.

>>2631099

truth

i have often wondered how people can believe that a nearly 70-year-old technology is somehow a big secret

i would add this though: admitting you (a country) have nukes is also a game in itself

since it is not realistic for a small country with a few nukes to make an offensive nuclear threat, for fear of retaliation, they are actually better off just keeping it to themselves that they are a nuclear power, then possibly producing the nukes as a deterrent IF the necessity arises

OP is not a faggot

USA international credibility circa 1950: 99/100
USA international credibility circa 2012: N/A

I can only assume that Americans are so distracted by their media and materialism that they srsly don't give a shit what the rest of the world thinks.

They're the honey badger of the international community.

>>2631435

honey badger don't give a shit

That's because you were living in a bubble, OP. Nothing has really changed, except that we're more aware of what's going on in the world today.

America is still the greatest country on the face of this planet, because everyone has a stake in it. It provides opportunity, and the fact that we constantly fight from within only makes us greater. We all have a stake in it, and we all want constant progress.

The US is an idea, and you can't destroy that.

>What did we do with our chance to rule the world, to change it, to bring justice, equality and a chance of happiness to all?

Pissed it away on unjustifiable warfare.

I'm an American, and I am sooooooo disappointed in practically EVERYTHING my country does. It's like, I want to be a patriot, but I just can't. We are so wrong, every fucking time, everything we do is for profit.

These wars in the Middle East can't be won. When we leave, they will go right back to what they were doing, except they will hate America 10 times more than they did before, if that is even possible.

The War on Drugs can't be won, the damage it is doing to our country and the world is incredible when compared to the minor damage that might be done by allowing people to do what they want with their own bodies.

When you look at the viewpoint of the average American, weigh in the stated viewpoint of the government (preserving freedom, spreading democracy, blah blah blah), and then compare that to what actually ends up happening, there is only one conclusion you can draw:

Someone(s) is controlling the USA and its activities from well behind the scenes.

If you tell me that "someone" is an old-boy network of international bankers, arms manufacturers, and their government cronies bent on enslaving everyone to their will by obtaining ALL the wealth, I could not argue with you.

>>2631615

>War on Drugs

The war on Drugs is an excuse to imprison pot dealers, use them as slaves and control high profit drugs like crack and heroin. They already linked banking profits to drug dealing because crack is more valuable per ounce than gold and unlike gold, actually has a stable price. Drugs are a brilliant hedge bet because once you have a market, they won't stop buying. Same with heroin.

>>2631615
>not understanding what discretionary spending is
>liberal education

>>2631889
>Implying Reagan wasn't the one that fucked us the hardest long term, and he was a conservative.

Libs end up cleaning the cons messes.

>>2631889

>not understanding that the image is clearly labeled as the discretionary budget

>not understanding that he's talking to someone about 500 times smarter than him and subsequently making an idiot of himself

>not understanding that the mandatory budget and discretionary budget combined are actually much more an indictment of the defense industry than simply the discretionary budget

here ya go, fucktard - and before you point out that SSI spending exceeds DoD spending, allow me to kindly point out that SSI spending, being already paid for separately over the lifetime of the employee, should actually not even be listed as part of any "budget"

>>2631889

>mfw pwnd conservitard

>>2631988
This. Dem president makes peace in the mid east, fixes endless shit?

Gets called shit tier.

Con president makes us the laughing stock, starts wars, breaks laws and long term destroys us?

God tier.

>2012
>not being a true patriot
ISHYDDT

>>2632072
SSI gets paid out of the budget every year idiot what do you think the SS holding part of your checks if for. Fucking dumbass. They don't take that money and then hide it from 40 years they us it to pay for social security today.

>>2631435
Defend Europe and Soviets for 40 years, get called fascists and imperialists for defending their interests against another empire. We are an empire even more so than the British we were and are for Europe as a whole.

We go to Indochina to protect French interests and fuck communists and Eurofags bitch us out.

We protect the interests of Suez in South America and fuck communists, the Euros bitch us out.

We pay for 60% of NATO expenses in Europe and ask for no European money for the US and Canada, we get bitched out.

We provide military aid during the Cold War in exchange for intelligence reports, set up medium range missiles for deterrence, and give people designs for our Ballistic Missiles so they can check the Soviets themselves. We get bitched out.

Problems in the Balkans and the EU can't actually send enough forces to do anything because it has not logistics train, never fear we'll do it. We get bitched out.

Want to overthrow dictators in North Africa that have outlived their usefulness, never fear well drop the bombs for you. We get bitched out.

And what do we do to Europe? We make jokes about you being fags and surrender-monkeys when you bitch us out.

Now all this is also in our interest, this is not a charity. A strong Europe is key to our security and dominance. But fuck guys, how do you think preferential trade agreements are sustained if not by power projection?

>/pol/ what happened to us?
Whites lost their spines.

That's it and yes, that's all it took.
>I believed in Obama,
Case in point...

>>2634056
Suez is not in South america. Maybe you're confused. Which would explain why you're trying to defend US imperialism.

>>2634056

>But fuck guys, how do you think preferential trade agreements are sustained if not by power projection?

>implying that "preferential trade agreements" are more important than world peace

>implying that the USA is just a big, friendly helper bee to the rest of the first world and isn't attempting to achieve global military hegemony and enslave the planet

>>2634112
Suez is a water works company that has interests in Africa, South America, and Asia. It is often used by the French as a foot in the door. Which is fine in my opinion.

>>2634135
The issue is not that the US is an empire, all states are empires. And I want the US to be a fine empire. We do plenty of shit in our own interests that has nothing to do with our allies.

The issue is that the US does go out of it's way to support European interests, which are also our interests because your strategic disposition is important to us. Then the Euros turn around after benefiting from this and act all pissed toward the US and consoling toward the lesser states.

It's having your cake and eating too.

>>2629850
You are wrong. Iran only threatens US and Israeli interests. Oh and Saudi.

>implying it's just Israel
>implying the Saudis don't have more control over our government then even the Israelis.

No, see AIPAC.

>>2630560
Actually, the only people the 'mullahs' are threatening are the Israelis aka european jewish colonists. Why should we defend the racist apartheid state of Israel?

>>2634236
It most certainly does not go 'out of its way' to protect European interests. When have the Europeans turned around and criticized the US for helping them at all, ever? Half of your idea of 'help' is invading other countries out of fear of the domino effect.

>>2634236

>all states are empires

believe it or not, there are some states that just defend themselves and don't tear-ass around the globe looking for war-for-profit

i can only imagine how weird that must sound to an american

>>2634135
>>2634112
>Euros not wanting to recapture their old glory buy joining with the US to crush the rest of the world and get their old colonies back

Maybe if you fought like we did we could loot the third world with impunity and then we wouldn't have our little economic problems now would we? America doesn't mind sharing the spoils with Europe, but is seems like Europe has become an old man and retired to his chimney corner to die. Don't you want your empires back.

Strike now while they are weak, before they can gather their strength. Don't just sit behind your walls and wait for them to wax powerful. Take the field and smash them. Russia and China will not do a thing to stop us if we cut them in.

>>2634188
Interesting, I didn't know about that.

>bankrupted by Israeli war

lol wut???

More war in Israel means more money for us. Since we give them military aid they are required to only buy from us so the money comes back to us anyhow also they must give us all the new technology they develop.

>>2634310
Wow this is the worst post I've ever read on /pol/. The west already does do that, btw, it just doesn't require an occupying force or colonists to claim the land. China has made further inroads into African nations because it actually does business with the people there rather than 'white man's burden'-inflected wars of conquest.

>>2634340
False. Israel was about to sign an arms deal with China just two years ago to bait the US into giving it more aid.

>technology they develop

lol

>>2634289
>When have the Europeans turned around and criticized the US for helping them at all, ever?

Do you ever read anything from the UN or the European opinion of Vietnam? Or the opinion of accepting US aid during the Cold War?

>>2634292
So you'd rather fade away.

I will say the problem is partly the fault of the US immediately after WW2 they where so big on decolonialization that it became a mantra repeated even when it is not advisable.

Also the OP is referring to Iraq and Afghanistan as wars caused by Israel's existence and America's continued support. 100% true.

>Do you ever read anything from the UN or the European opinion of Vietnam? Or the opinion of accepting US aid during the Cold War?

Are you seriously going to argue we were fighing on behalf of France in Vietnam?

I blame Ron Paul, the Tea Party, and OWS. Each one of them has been primarily focused on complaining about how shitty america has become when in reality we've always been like this.

>>2634398
Actually most people either don't know/don't care or don't have any leaders to articulate their concern. The Tea Party was a republican/koch front group within weeks of its existence. RP and OWS are just bougie college kids trying to latch onto something edgy.

>>2634342
I keep hearing about these Chinese interests in Africa yet when I read about them they are terribly short term an always on behalf of a company. There are thousands of American and European corporate entities that do the same thing these Chinese companies do. Why do you think all of South America except Venezuela is under the US' thumb. Why do you think Europe has so many vested interests in North Africa and Southeast Asia?

China isn't doing anything new, provocative, or unusually smart. They are just doing the same things we do on a smaller scale and don't advertise it as much.

>>2634440
>Why do you think all of South America except Venezuela is under the US' thumb.

CIA-backed coups.

>There are thousands of American and European corporate entities that do the same thing these Chinese companies do.

And yet there's no history of brutal colonial repression to go with it.

Yes, the Chinese interests are short term. They also tend to cut more favorable deals to the Africans and are more likely to get what they want via soft power and incentives. European colonization was genocide and conquest. No one in Africa has forgotten that.

>>2634389
No that was only on part of many factors that led us to fight in Vietnam. But to dismiss the interests France would have had in a Vietnam still economically tied to it is to forget part of the reasons there was a war there in the first place.

>>2632072
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>before you point out that SSI spending exceeds DoD spending, allow me to kindly point out that SSI spending, being already paid for separately over the lifetime of the employee, should actually not even be listed as part of any "budget"

>>neokikes pretending that paid in advance social benefits are the same as charge-card global policing duties to please master bibi

1 billion internets to you OP

We are still the shining light of the world. We have problems, we have made many mistakes, but what nation hasn't? What needs to be remembered is how young our nation is and taking this into consideration one cannot but be astonished at our progress. Y'all haters need to grow up and show some appreciation if only for the fact that we have such freedom to come to a place like this and say whatever we want. Stop being so defeatist, please.

>>2634942

>We are still the shining light of the world.

THIS IS WHAT AMERITARDS ACTUALLY BELIEVE, PEOPLE!!!

>>2634995
Your entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. But there is a reason so many people around the world want to come here and make a living, and it's not about the money, it's that you can be whomever you want to be here as long as you don't break the law. Suck it defeatist ninny.

>>2635034
This is what white people actually believe.

>>2634942

>We are still the shining light of the world.

the sad thing is, that used to be true until we allowed a shadow government to rise from within us and turn our country into a non-stop warmongering planetary menace

>>2635197
So, like, the day Jackson was elected? Maybe the Mexican-American war if we're being generous.

>>2635110
I am white, and you're racist.
>>2635197
You're paranoid.

>>2635286
>it's that you can be whomever you want to be here as long as you don't break the law.

I'm not racist, actually. Statements like this out you as someone so thoroughly possessed by a false consciousness as to be legitimately delusional.

>>2635223

I can be more specific for you actually.

TIMELINE OF AMERICAN DESCENT INTO CORRUPTION:

1. Dec 7, 1941 - USA enters WWII right on the heels of their not-yet-completed recovery from the Great Depression - being financially unable to mobilize for large-scale warfare, the USA borrows vast amounts of money from people with names like Rockefeller and Rothschild to build their forces.

2. 1946-1949 - As the international banking community rakes in literally billions of dollars in profit from America's war debt, the proverbial light bulb goes off over their heads - WAR = PROFIT

3. 1950 - USA enters Korean Conflict at the request of no one in particular

4. 1954 - USA enters Vietnam Conflict at the request of no one in particular

5. 1961 - USA's next-to-last unowned President warns the country on national television that it is in danger of being taken over by the war industry

6. 1963 - USA's last unowned President, whose stated goal was "Peace In Our Time," assassinated in a coup d'etat by the Military Industrial Complex

7. Every American President since that time has sought only war, never peace, or faced certain assassination at the hands of the USA's new shadow government of arms manufacturers and international bankers

>>2635355

>>2635355
I disagree. The process was well under way after America adopted Jacksonian democracy and fought a war of conquest in Mexico, and later with the robber barons and captains of industry funding every last educational institution and buying the government via graft.

>>2635417

Perhaps you're right. From this vantage point in history we can only make educated guesses as to how we got here. Shadowy power brokers are nothing if not secretive.

But the important thing is to understand where we are, not necessarily how we got here. IMO the obviously unwinnable wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are proof enough that America is now fighting just to be fighting, the only reasonable conclusion being that it is indeed just a puppet on the strings of the Military Industrial Complex, about which it was duly warned by one of its greatest generals and Presidents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system

This was mainly what sucked about Jackson.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_War

He ended the central banking system and enriched himself and the rest of the financial elite while driving the rest of the country into a depression.

There's no need for a shadow gov't theory, 9/10 times it all happens out in the open. The need to suppress the information has been superseded by re-framing, the media and historical re-re-revisionism etc.

>>2635522

let's say i'm an american and i agree with you

so...wat do?

The saddest thing is a modern civil war to fix things would be impossible.
Back in the day, the government didn't have many things the average civilian didn't have access to.
Nowadays with technology, there's to large of an advantage for any uprising to have even a CHANCE of changing anything, much less winning.

The days of glorious revolution are past. We are doomed to begging our corporate overlords for table scraps or face the full force of the government's military.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1837

By 1907 there had been so many financial panics from this constant dysfunction Wilson established the Fed system and it had a shit-ton of unintended consequences as we well know!

>>2635614

>There's no need for a shadow gov't theory, 9/10 times it all happens out in the open.

Agreed. It truly has happened right out in the open, but for whatever reason, known only to the savviest social engineers, people are NOT getting it.

Just look at the "We are the light..." dupe who posted - obviously an American, and obviously believes they are fighting for some righteous cause. Of course the corporate-owned USA media is mainly responsible for his/her willful ignorance of the facts, but there must be other factors as well - such as the fact that it is just plain easier to believe whatever the government says. Or the fact that on the whole, Americans are quite comfortable, relatively speaking...perhaps they are still buying their Manifest Destiny horseshit?

Anyway, the point is, the fact that it has indeed happened right out in the open is still not allowing it to sink in.

>>2635621

>let's say i'm an american and i agree with you

>so...wat do?

1. Stop watching so much fucking television, it is warping your thinking.
2. Start speaking the truth instead of parroting media lies.
3. Ride it out until the majority sees the light, knowing while you do that you, at least, are part of the solution and not part of the problem.

IMHO

>>2635633

>The days of glorious revolution are past. We are doomed to begging our corporate overlords for table scraps or face the full force of the government's military.

Not necessarily true. The USA military might just join in the revolution once the stench of corruption and elitism becomes unbearable. It has happened before in history.

The "city on a hill" metaphor (the 'light of the world' thing) is from the gospels. It's quite literally Kennedy and Reagan trying to say the US has god on its side.

Here is what happened.

The idiot boomers who grew up believing in good and evil fairy tales ended up becoming neo-conservatives trying to become the world's policemen.

We never brought peace and prosperity and opportunity to anyone when the CIA backed dictators and installed puppet regimes when it suited us.


>I believed in Obama


fuck this thread

>>2629670

citation needed, am very interested

What happened is your actions did not match up to your ideals. You supported/installed brutal dictators and despots around the globe when it benefited your political or economic interests. You had death squads for fucking bananas. Banannas. You promoted the wholesale slaughter of peasants for cheaper fruit. Thats one example out of thousands.

Nobody wanted to hate America. Everybody loved the America we saw from hollywood, everybody liked the nation of cowboys and soldiers fighting for justice no matter the odds.
I still love that nation. And I wish it existed.

But you are imperialists, and most of your citizens dont even realize it, although your actions are generally funded in open congress for all to see. But nobody looks.

>>2635832
The boomers getting hoodwinked wouldn't be the first time. Not by a long shot.

>>2635847
You're 100% correct. There are Americans just as disillusioned as you but they are often discredited or ignored for speaking up.

>>2635773

Like, for example, France, or the USSR.

>>2635847

+10 internets to you sir

>>2635773
cool

Because of things like this - "The language employed stinks of a kind of patriotism akin to complete indifference to the rest of the world and ignorance of America's own problems. There is a very showy, macho, self-gratifying kind of righteousness in American speech about themselves which people either assume is intentionally ironic and over the top, or they are shocked and end up thinking that American's actually think like that."

>>2635870
Actually the proles are 'amused to death' in 1984. The Ministry of Truth produces all the media they consume. The only people who are subject to the 24/7 propaganda and surveillance are Outer Party, who also do all the bureaucratic grunt work. Winston Smith is one of them.

>>2635846

Specifically, Professor Mearsheimer and I made it clear in our article and especially in our book that the idea of invading Iraq originated in the United States with the neoconservatives, and not with the Israeli government. But as the neoconservative pundit Max Boot once put it, steadfast support for Israel is "a key tenet of neoconservatism." Prominent neo-conservatives occupied important positions in the Bush administration, and in the aftermath of 9/11, they played a major role in persuading Bush and Cheney to back a war against Iraq, which they had been advocating since the late 1990s. We also pointed out that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and other Israeli officials were initially skeptical of this scheme, because they wanted the U.S. to focus on Iran, not Iraq. However, they became enthusiastic supporters of the idea of invading Iraq once the Bush administration made it clear to them that Iraq was just the first step in a broader campaign of "regional transformation" that would eventually include Iran.

-Stephen M. Walt

>>2629505
lol what kind of hambeast is that ?
Surely everyone points and laughs at her when she stands up to speak?

>>2635903

I'm aware of the plot of 1984.

The point of that comic is actually that Huxley is closer to the truth than Orwell.

Personally I believe we are living under a very early format combining the worst features of BOTH fictional dystopia's - we are both lied to, AND amused to distraction.

>>2635955
Orwell's focus is closer to the mechanisms of active control, same as in Animal Farm. Huxley's is an examination of the moral decline that occurs under them, and the passive controls humans inflict on themselves and each other, making them unaware of the evil going on right in front of them. Can't we all just get along?

>>2630651
This and also.
>No national television.
It allows everyone to get an inside look at politics.
And if your government actively spreads disinformation it will be noticed by everyone.

PLUS that comic does not acknowledge anything about the proles. Hence my confusion.

>>2635932

>implying that war in the Middle East is a political agenda, not a corporate agenda

>implying that Obama hasn't continued the war policy of the "neo-conservative" Bush administration without so much as a hiccup

>implying there is any such thing as a "neo-conservative" when in fact there are only dicks, assholes, and pussies

>>2634056
As an European i am very grateful for the money you spend on us and the small compensations we have to perform. >support Afghanistan missions and keep Helmand safe.
But don't forget it's all investment and not charity.
Only the US has enough money to invest in every country and benefit from it. Thanks for the 500 billion € last year btw. I am sure a lot of people benefited from it.

The Federal Reserve was created. None of America's government at the time was patriotic enough to execute the federal reserve boards members and their treaties ratifiers for treason.

>>2636049
Israel was only reluctant to accept the "regional transformation" because a cornerstone of their propaganda is fear of the regimes that the US wants to conquer. We've got a perpetual war now, so it's easy to keep the plebs in Israel asleep and afraid of all Muslims.

Ironic too, considering Iraq was a mortal enemy of post-revolutionary Iran, but don't let that stop anyone from seizing oil reserves, right?

>>2636101
Corporate interests had already bought everything out by 1907. The fed was just another handout to them in the long run because the constant financial chaos of the 19th century ceased to be useful.

America died with Protestantism

>>2636166
So it died before it even existed? wtf? GTFO Papist scum.

>>2634056
The British Empire
1600 - 1815
Civil war, revolution, civil war, revolution, behead king, dictator, "Ireland, there is slaves there? war", "Africa there is slaves there? cross-atlantic delivery service", Fund pirates to steal spains empire, Dictator dies, get new king. Scotland does a greece, England bails out Scotland, Scotland joins team UK. Jacobite revolution, "india there is people to subjugate there? yes but Euros are there as well, War." Euro allies Get attacked, War of polish succession, send them a goody bag, don't help at all, steal french colonies. Jacobite revolution. Why make guns when machines can? Euro allies Get attacked, Seven years war, send them a goody bag, don't help at all, steal french/spanish colonies. India conquered by capitalism, Government done nothing. Terrorists gun down a few men cut off from reinforcements by the French, terrorist buy lots of slaves, Britain's bastard son is born. France implodes, "lol", France explodes, "Oh shit", Hire Euros to fight french, do nothing to help, Euros all get raped Whilst stealing colonies, terrorist steal attack colony, Britain takes it personally, burns terrorist capital to ground. Frances freezes, round up raped Euros, lead them to victory against frostbitten french.
tl:dr Island easymode

1815-1900
Tea, croquet, Ignore everyone, Live it up with slaves in colonies, slavery abolished, Live it up with servants in colonies, Tea croquet.

1900-1945
FUCCKKGINNGGG GERMANS!111121111!!!!!

>>2636078
Yeah look at southern Europe.

>>2636180
thank you for illustrating my point

>>2629294
>bankrupt by Israeli war
stoppedreadingthere.jpg
too much tinfoil hat for my tastes should be on
>>>/x/

Spoiler Alert: This book contains the true story of the creation of the Federal Reserve - legislation written at a secret meeting by America's elite bankers, and pushed through Congress by their bought-and-paid-for crony Nelson W. Aldrich, who was subsequently allowed to marry into the Rockefeller fortune in exchange for his support.

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

-Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence

>>2635847
It does exist. If you believe any real Communist regime is preferable to a mix of capitalism and socialism, then that is a different discussion to be had, but it is obvious that this is what Americans believe.

Due to this belief, the ousting a communist regime can be seen as a freeing of a people. This, however, is Cold War global-politics-related and I don't believe it is on topic ITT, although it certainly is interesting to discuss where appropriate.

>But you are imperialists
This is a very difficult case to make. You must really stretch the definition of `imperialist' to label Americans as such. America believes that its own form of government and economic systems are the ideal, and they put effort into spreading these around the world. To an American, the Iraqi people have been liberated from the dictatorship of Saddam Hussein and have been given real democracy.

>>2636212
Shouldn't you be raping little boys Papistfag?

>It does exist. If you believe any real Communist regime is preferable to a mix of capitalism and socialism, then that is a different discussion to be had, but it is obvious that this is what Americans believe.

Nice derail.

>This is a very difficult case to make. You must really stretch the definition of `imperialist' to label Americans as such. America believes that its own form of government and economic systems are the ideal, and they put effort into spreading these around the world.

Imperialism is just that.

>>2636228

>too much tinfoil hat for my tastes

HAHAHAHAHAHA - TINFOIL HAT - that is so funny time after time after time, year after year, decade after decade - somebody call the ROFLCOPTER because i'm going for a ride, LOLOLOLOL

you infuriatingly clever prankster you!

Also the US rarely, if ever, brings 'democratic' reform to the rest of the world. It brings political chaos and puppet dictatorships. You'd have to be totally ignorant of 20th century history to...oh wait, Americans.

>>2629294

>bankrupted by Israeli war after Israeli war and on the eve of (yet another) Israeli war.

That's where you went full retard. You think we fight wars for Israel so instead of fighting in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, or even Gaza, we're starting with Iraq and Afghanistan half a world away in countries of no threat to Israel? Wouldn't a war fought for Israel have some kind of benefit to Israel? It would make more sense to say we're fighting wars for China as they are the biggest supporters and soon to be profiteers from US wars. Wait a minute. Why am I reasoning with you? You're probably an anti-semite or a tinfoil basement dweller.

>When did stupidity become something to aspire to

You seem to be doing an awesome job at it.

>>2636325
Imperialism:
1. The power or character of an emperor; imperial authority; the spirit of empire.
2. The policy, practice, or advocacy of seeking, or acquiescing in, the extension of the control, dominion, or empire of a nation, as by the acquirement of new, esp. distant, territory or dependencies, or by the closer union of parts more or less independent of each other for operations of war, copyright, internal commerce, etc. The practise of building or extending an empire.


America is not acquiring nor controlling these nations subsequent to war. America is ``nation building". The benefit to America is that the economic potential of the nation is much greater than it was previously.

What is good for the external nation is good for America, and this is one of the best arguments for capitalism and globalisation.

Your criticism seems to be focused on the means rather than the end, not that this makes the criticism invalid necessarily, but it is something you should be aware of.

>That's where you went full retard. You think we fight wars for Israel so instead of fighting in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, or even Gaza, we're starting with Iraq and Afghanistan half a world away in countries of no threat to Israel? Wouldn't a war fought for Israel have some kind of benefit to Israel? It would make more sense to say we're fighting wars for China as they are the biggest supporters and soon to be profiteers from US wars. Wait a minute. Why am I reasoning with you? You're probably an anti-semite or a tinfoil basement dweller.

Israel has those areas covered. Also NATO has been training mujahadeen to shit disturb in Syria since the unrest began. You can thank us later. We're chasing down jihadists in Afghanistan that hate the US because of our support for Israel and our Saudi military bases.

Iraq was 100% about oil and the interests of the US. Israel's only real ally in the world.

>The policy, practice, or advocacy of seeking, or acquiescing in, the extension of the control, dominion, or empire of a nation, as by the acquirement of new, esp. distant, territory or dependencies, or by the closer union of parts more or less independent of each other for operations of war, copyright, internal commerce, etc. The practise of building or extending an empire.

Actually the US does do this via 'nation building', meaning intervening in foreign countries and installing regimes that support US interests, not the interests of the people who actually live there you ignorant mong. The US controls a large part of the developing world through commerce and copyright -- the very definition you cite. The second they stop complying the CIA shows up and plays power broker, or our military invades.

>>2636458

>The benefit to America is that the economic potential of the nation is much greater than it was previously.

If by "economic potential" you mean war profiteering, and if by "the nation" you mean the Military Industrial Complex, I couldn't agree more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions

Shit americans know absolutely nothing about.txt

Short answer to your question is "the cold war ended".

When there's a lack of external enemies, the population turns on itself.

>>2636535
>The second they stop complying the CIA shows up and plays power broker, or our military invades.
Yeah, nope.
>installing regimes that support US interests, not the interests of the people who actually live there you ignorant mong
Yeah, we do that by assuring that a democratic vote is achieved. [/sarcasm]

I wanna see more of the asian girl and her feets.

>>2636585
See >>2636569

Nice attempt at bullshitting me though, Amerifat.

fuck off OP take your nigger loving somewhere else.

sucks you got bankrupted. i still have awesome stuff though. depression not as bad as i thought it would be. no need to jump off a building bro, which is what you are doing mentally.

What's the point of all this America bashing? You all want to instill more hatred, apathy and contempt among your fellow man? I guess you just want everyone to be as miserable as you are. Well I'm grateful everyday of my life that I was born here instead of Afghanistan or a similar place where you whiny children would get your heads chopped off for half the things you think, read, eat or say.

>>2636717
America does a great deal to make life shitty outside of America, actually. That's why people are bashing it you privileged American manbaby.

>>2634292
because they are small and it is in their best interest to stay non aligned

>>2636739
There may be negative consequences to some of our actions internationally but they are for the most part unintentional or unforseeable. And they are heavily outweighed by the good we do. Freedom and liberty come at a cost. They have to be worked and fought for otherwise they're just meaningless words. But if you live here you should have a greater unserstanding of just what those words mean. If you don't live here then your opinion is based on history (infinitely subjective) or media (infinitely subjective).

>>2636868

wtf are you even talking about?

oh yeah, must be talking about the public image america would like to have if they weren't so universally despised for their endless warmongering and economic oppression of everyone else on the planet

pic related, the world you apparently live in

>>2636868
But there is no freedom or liberty when your democratically elected gov't is deposed by a CIA-backed coup or insurgents, which happened throughout the 20th century. History is not infinitely subjective you fucktard.

Know what pisses me off about other countries?
They seem to think WE can control our government.
Brits, how about you go and try to get a law changed. Try and stop a bill from being passed. Walk a mile in our shoes. Most (99.999999%, I'd say) of Americans agree that our government is corrupt, is shit, and should be overthrown. Problem is, it's become such a superpower, there's no way anymore.

I want nothing more than to move to another country, but I'm still happy to be born into this country, where I can walk outside and yell out 'FUCK YOU, OBAMA' without getting shot for it, as opposed to some communist countries.

In short, fuck you all. We're just as unhappy with our country's government as you all are.

And fuck fat people.

>>2637043
We've been shit for a long, long time and had many opportunities to improve the state of affairs. You can't deny the "THIS IS ARE COUNTRY" sentiment is just as prevalent as the apathy and cynicism about the political situation.

>>2637077
Er, our*
And yes, we Americans are instilled with national pride from the getgo.

We're made to do the Pledge of Alliegance in school from Kindergarden until we graduate high school. Or at least we did when I was in school, but we also had a moment of silence afterward.

But that pledge no longer applies. As is says in the Declaration of Independance: 'When a government has reached a point that its no longer for the people, it is the people's duty to abolish that government and build a new one in its place.'

Paraphrasing, of course. Do I love my country? Yeah, I was born here. Its my home. It'll always be home for me, even if it were to be overtaken by, say China.

You're telling me you wouldn't stand behind your home no matter what? If so, then that says more about you than me, with all due respect.